Evangelicals, big fans of Martin Luther except ... they don't embrace anything that Luther advocated: infant baptism, confirmation, the Lord's Prayer, the Apostle's Creed, regular communion.
I have noticed that. And most pastors spend a lot of time protesting the original protesters. I even saw one pastor protesting what he taught for 30 years. He said he was wrong.
I personally think the Maronite Rite is beautiful. I’ve been to Byzantine, Maronite, & Latin Rite masses/liturgies, & the Maronite stands out to me as most beautiful.
So glad to have a UA-cam channel of like mind. And yes Evangelicalism IS mainline protestantism today. Soon they will declare Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians as "not true Christian" soon.
Many Evangelicals did that long ago. And more and more “mainline Protestants” are either going extinct due to almost nonexistent birthrates or becoming Catholic
I think most already view it that way. I attend a non denominational evangelical church, and they would consider Anglicans and Lutherans as not truly Christian, or at least in an unknown status.
Before you do, please look into the "irrelevant" church known as the Lutheran church (LCMS if you're in the US, but if you're somewhere else, you'll need to find out which ones are the liberal one with things like that horrible "sparkle creed" and look into the ones that aren't like that) This UA-camr himself acknowledges that the truth doesn't care how much the world thinks you're "irrelevant" or not, the truth is the truth. And remember, Christianity as a whole was once a tiny "irrelevant" sect of Judaism with an "odd" belief that it's founder came back from the dead, before it was the largest religion in the world. I would bet that most of everything you like about Catholicism is present in the credal Lutheran church, but the problematic parts are not present. I'm with you in finding much of this modern evangelical Protestantism lacking, but especially if you look into the true history of Luther and why the Catholic Church left him (he did not leave the Catholic Church, don't let anyone gaslight you about that), you might, like me, find it hard to take the side of the Catholic Church as opposed to his. And if you agree that Luther was right and Pope Leo X was wrong, then you are a part of the true Catholic Church, which isn't in Rome.
@@JustAskingQuestions8571 Facinating take, my brother! God bless you! ❤️✝️ If you have any books/movies/yt channels to recommend I'd love to partake. To your question, I am (unfortunatly) in Sweden (IKEA and meatballs) and our national church is evangelical-lutheran. It is, however filled with pride-flags, LGBTQ politicing and such... not a great fit... aside from that the Lutheran church has little precense in Sweden so I think I'll keep looking into Catholicism. I want to thank you for your long comment though, appreciate that you spread your faith like that. Respect. Pardon my english, it is not my first language
Why the prot lurking on a Catholic channel? No Luther left the church because he wasn't elevated to Bishop of Wittenberg. Plus his fellow monks thought him a sperg when he was himself a monk in a monastery. No Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. Judaism is a rejection of Christ and a heretical off shoot of the old testament faith. Christ fullfilled the law, the prophecy and scripture and founded The one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. See Gospel of Mathew.
The last place I thought I'd end up is in the Catholic Church, but after reading as many ancient sources I could I concluded the Church started by Christ is the Catholic Church and when it mattered they deferred to the Pope. What I recommend is the playlist called the crisis in the church on SSPX-News' page here on yt. It is long, but the first will establish what philosophical errors set the ground for the "reformers" (uhm ... they left and made up their own bs and haven't stopped "reforming" since. Reformers were people like Teresa of Avila) as well as show where we stand today.
I grew up in one of the most Lutheran states in the country, and the only noticeable Christian presence was evangelical. There is a reason why politically speaking, anything that isn't Catholic or evangelical never even gets a mention.
Mainline is a reference to both it's former mainstream status and the fact most of their headquarters were on the same "mainline", a literal corridor of train railway.
Praying for all Protestants, regardless of denomination. There but for the grace of God... Imagine being raised with constant lies about Catholicism? May they all find their way home to the Truth of Catholicism one day 🙏
Realized that too. I’m not Protestant anymore, but I chose Orthodoxy over Catholicism. One thing that sickened me during my conversion process was the outright blatant lies Protestants, especially low church, parrot about Catholicism
@@basilmakedonWhy tho? i almost became orthodox but i cant accept that grace and salvation is depended on the numerous canons of the orthodox church if your in your being saved if your arent orthodox you are 100p doomed
Thank God i never liked evangelical worship, when i was one, because i didnt knew better, im a traditional Catholic, we are growing as a movement even tho slowly. WOE to you secularists
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't care if they are mainline Protestants or Evangelicals. None of them belong to the Church founded by Jesus. They all belong to man-made sects.
Your analysis is solid. And perhaps depressing, considering Mike Winger’s recent expose on Binny Hinn, and how much influence he and his allies have world wide. But there is the phenomenon of what people are calling “the surge” into Eastern Orthodoxy in the USA and Europe and something similar in the ACNA (Anglican Church in North America). There are many theories about why it is occurring. Probably some combination of reaction against what happened during the pandemic and access to websites and communities promoting these denominations. But ultimately, your analysis is still right because these are tiny groups in the United States. They could double in size three or four times and still be a tiny fraction of the evangelical/baptist/charismatic coalition.
I have been thinking about how to categorize Protestant movements. The original OG Protestant churches claim the original name “Evangelical.” But I now think about it in terms of waves, early/mid/late. Each wave started out with some level of emphasis for true heart religion but was replaced over time with what I call “orthodusty.” This prompted the next wave which would emphasize a personal relationship with Christ and heart religion, i.e. the affective dimension. So the Pietists in Germany and the Methodists in England and the Great Awakening in the US were the original “New Evangelicals.” Then the late wave of Evangelicals arose in the 20th century in response to another period of nominalism and orthodusty. The same pattern can be seen in the Catholic Church throughout history. For example, the movement that Thomas Kempis was part of. The revival movements led by St Benedict, St Dominic, and St Bernard. The counter reformation was like this to some respect, but ended up promoting traditional forms as a reaction against Protestants. (What I mean is the older forms became ossified because of a reactionary attitude toward Protestantism. I say this as a member of a Byzantine Rite Church - I love solemn traditional liturgy, but there is a place for legitimate reforms like that of St Gregory the Great and St Bernard.) But, the counter reformation did result in spiritual revivals like those of St Ignatius Loyola and St Francis de Sales. Vatican II was meant to lay the groundwork for the next revival. And we can see genuine fruits of spiritual revival in the work of apostolates as varied as Bp Fulton Sheen, Opus Dei, and Exodus 90.
Another part of my analysis is that what I call “late Evangelicalism” is itself in its own late stage where nominalism becomes the norm. But, in this case, not a form of dead intellectual orthodusty. But the vapid consumerism centered mega church movement. ua-cam.com/video/5BuiwgGqNx4/v-deo.htmlsi=l_R1RLmCTlW05PzD Where as the early phase of the movement emphasized heart religion, the current movement has reached a state of such degeneracy that most of the adherents and congregants are are nominalistic and in it only for the “culturally relevant” entertainment and feels. The consolidation of smaller congregations into larger and larger groups follows the same pattern of small shops being replaced with the big box stores, with the same homogenization and loss of community. Outwardly the music has seemingly become more emotional and spontaneous but in most cases it is an over engineered entertainment product that can only be delivered by a professional cast of entertainers while the congregants become passive observers. And even if there is enthusiasm in certain individuals, lack of substantive preaching and catechesis leaves most of them spiritually immature, confused about what they need to “do” to grow. Certainly, this vapidity has led to the surge into traditional Christian groups like Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodoxy. But, it is likely that this surge is actually just a drop in the bucket. While at the same time everyone says the the “church” (by which they mean American Protestantism) is dying. Either to liberal apostasy, or in shrinking numbers as religion becomes more and more passé and irrelevant. Trend lines are sometimes more important than we think in predicting the future.
I think charismatic pentecostalism is distantly related to to catholicism in that it comes from a branch of methodism, which derives from anglicanism, which derives from catholicism ultimately. Most of the old mainline denominations are cessationists (do not believe in miracles) but the aforementioned do (continuationists). This is part of the reason why charismatic denominations have gained so much ground in traditionally catholic areas.
I’m reformed and to be honest it’s sad to see the mainline protestant churches dying out. I don’t know what happend to the mainline protestant churches but I am not planning on leaving the reformed church. I guess that the mainline protestants just became way to liberal and everyone started becoming evangelical.
Mainline Protestant “churches” have compromised the Truth & watered down their teachings, so they shouldn’t be surprised with the decline, which was inevitable!
Those TV "pastors" tend to be blasphemous.! The most important protestant churches are the ones faithful to the bible. whether they are well-known or not.
Good video. Needed to be said and I’ve made the same point several times. I also think highlighting numbers/relevance is useful when comparing the Catholic Church against Eastern Orthodoxy. ~220 million is much smaller than 1.4 billion but when you consider that most of that 220 million is counted in the home countries you begin to see how tiny and isolated Eastern Orthodoxy truly is. The Eastern Orthodox diaspora is a small fraction of that 220 million. Eastern Orthodoxy in America is smaller than Reform Judaism and Hinduism in America. The world population of ROCOR is a little less than the size of the SSPX.
Back when I was a Protestant before I became Catholic. The church I went to was an associated gospel Church, which I think was a part of the Assemblies of God
I put a app on my phone to find a mass nearby I’m a convert I think my church is norvos ordo haven’t started RCIA yet. But I would really love to see a traditional mass.
There are also websites specifically for finding Latin mass. UA-cam doesn’t like links but if you need helping finding it I’ll try and type a workaround
So many intelligent comments, mainly coming from others that recognize the true ancient faith of our Fathers, it gives my spirit a rise. Why is it that that most exorcists don't use the worthless new rite and after the failed attempts by other pagan ministers to perform an exorcism, they call in the real soldier for the Kingdom, a Traditional Catholic Exorcist. Viva Cristo Rey
I was raised Protestant and spent time in Baptist, Methodist, and Non-denominational churches. I've been researching Catholicism for a while now. The more I do, the more illogical Protestantism seems to me. I knew many Prots who did good works and strive to be good people, but they're confused about theology. One example is confusion about marriage and how deeply rooted feminism was in Evangelical churches. There was no sin women could commit that would not be minimized, excused, or ignored. It led to so many bad and broken marriages.
The simple problem here is that Baptists and nondenominationals, Pentecostals are all apart of the radical reformation. Meaning a lack of historical roots, and no connection to the physical reformers. In total 4 protestenism groups exist, fitting in to these 4 categories. Lutheran, reformed, Anglican, and Methodist. Luther was far more critical of the ana-baptists , (and same with Calvin) than Rome. Changing the foundation of protestenism to something else is not protestenism. Furthermore these radicals call themselves protestents, if every Muslim called themselves Roman or Eastern Orthodox, would they then be the only true Romans or Orthodox? No, just Mormons aren't considered Christians and yet Google may disagree.
If the orthodox church has valid sacraments and is still holding to ancient teachings while the catholic church is constantly failing these days why would someone not just go to the orthodox church?
Because the Orthodox Church will destroy all the Roman Catholic and Protestant presuppositions. The royal and narrow path is hard and many will not want to submit their will to a higher authority. Christ is Risen!!☦️
Because the Orthodox are unhinged group of people who are not guided by the Holy Spirit. They also have un-biblical teachings such as divorce outside of adultery, contraception and even reject the biblically evident filioque.
Because the orthodox church is schismatic. They refuse to recognize the authority of the Pope. Although our current pope has stated manly misleading things, he has not defined any ex cathedra/dogmatically opposed to the faith. Our Lord had given the keys of the kingdom to St. Peter, whose papal succession has not ended.
The fact that the title is written that way, shows you're not of the true God. Following the Lord is not a competition. The same denominations you're looking down on are doing missionary works in places where people have never heard about our Lord Jesus Christ. I am a witness of that.
lol most of those missionaries are trying to convert catholics. few to none of them dare to evangelize to atheised european countries or muslim countries because theyre gears in an anti-catholic machine. refuting doctrine which can damn you is not hateful. and its very hypocritical to say he is not of the true God and then dog on him about "looking down" on people who are actively sending well meaning people to hell through false teaching
There's another reason to disregard Mainline Protestant groups: Their average congregant age is around 50-ish, whereas the average congregant in an evangelical church is 30-ish. The next generation of Christians will come from traditional Catholics (6+ kids per couple) and evangelicals (3+ kids per couple). Show me a mainline congregation that has 200 persons in the pews today, and I'll show you a building that'll be largely empty in 20 years.
I understand your sentiment, but I just want to give a warning. Too often conservatives (not just religious conservatives) will nitpick when someone is providing a good that’s not perfect. The FSSP offers a more traditional and reverence mass. They may not be perfect but they still offer that good tradition. The focus should be on non reverence masses and not attacking traditional style organizations that agree with you more then they disagree. Not to say you can’t politely critique them, but traditionalist need to promote a strong message, not an infighting one.
My biggest issue with FSSP (at least in the Sunbelt) is that the people who attend it are prone to hyper individualism and keeping up with the Jones’s and just as materialistic as mainstream culture while SSPX and Anglican Ordinariate are much more working class friendly
Hey bro, why not just remain Roman Catholic and just go to a TLM? I’m in the N.O. Group I like both. TLM is about a 20 minute drive vs 3 minute. I think you even in past videos said Francis isn’t a reason to leave rome
The SSPX uses the Latin rite. Specifically the Roman Missal of 1962, believe Francis is pope, have been given universal jurisdiction for confession and weddings by Francis (which includes a wedding mass), and have had the begrudged approval of the DDF that it is perfectly licit to attend an SSPX mass and even donate for the collections. You can't give faculties to schismatics, yet the SSPX has consistently discussed with Rome on how to reconcile. Each time Rome has conceded on various topics. Lastly, I do believe he made a video in defense of the SSPX as well so you can find why he chose them over others.
I come from the Church of Christ (not United, not Mormon), but converted to Catholicism after my divorce, and weas confirmed last year. I craved the Eucharist, a real church with real authority, and realized every other denomination simply treated Christianity as a buffet. I wanted the whole meal. The Church of Christ has so much in common, with the Church established by Jesus. It believes communion is important enough to take every week, it does not believe in once saved always saved, or salvation by faith alone, baptism, and more. Like Saint Paul, I believe it would be good to find what we have in common with any denomination as a starting point to bring these Christians into full communion. He approached the Romans by recognizing their idol to the "unknown god," and offered to tell them about the true unknown God. Just a thought, not a criticism in any way. We all have our own mission fields. Even the Apostles did.
you are living in confusion because you never speak about the 66 books of the Bible. Are we supposed to believe you know the Bible? What does your speech have to do with anything in the Bible? You've replaced the Bible with the Doctrines of Men
I understand why you tend to focus on the evangelical types, and they are undoubtedly the most influential. But the problem is that when you talk about the evangelical protestants you make it sound like they are the only ones that exist. You criticize Protestantism as a whole by directing your attacks at only the evangelical ones. The criticism is not that you focus on the evangelicals, but that you act like evangelical Protestantism is the only Protestantism. When you complain about the evangelicals, it needs to be made more clear that you are only talking about the evangelicals, and not Protestants as a whole.
@@Rabbit19964Remember Jesus hated man made rules in Jewish Writings and He would hate the Catechism too which is man made rules!! And take a look at what the Vatican is secretly hiding under the Vatican!! It will make you think twice about remaining Catholic!!
@rabbit19964 he's trying to say this channel just takes cheap shots at evangelicals instead of addressing protestant doctrine. But @mingisuvakas6051 if the mainline protestants are correct, why is their church dwindling, while the Catholic Church and the Evangelicals are both growing. He is right, these are the only doctrines that are relevant today. Evangelical is so obviously wrong, Catholicism must be right, because Christ prophesied the Church being eternal. Mainline protestantism which is dying out is clearly not the eternal unified Church that Christ had established.
Whether it's a "high church" Anglican ceremony with incense, or a megachurch laser light show, either way it's heretical. I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do take issue (sort of) with putting the word "traditional" before the word "Catholic"... And especially saying we are a "subset" of Catholicism. I think a better way to put it is that people are either Catholic or they're not. Many of the "Novus Ordo" people don't really assent to even basic dogmas. So is the Novus Ordo Church the Catholic Church? I submit that it is not.
Do you submit to the Pope and the magisterium? If so, then the Novus Ordo is a valid way to celebrate the mass, despite how the laity that attends may feel.
“One Lord, One Baptism, One Faith”. There’s only one Church, one true interpretation of the Bible & one universal doctrine all Christians must conform to. You can’t reform truth. There aren’t any versions of Christianity. There’s only the Catholic Church. There is no private interpretation of Scripture the Bible says, Phillip & the Eunuch back this up & you can’t start your own church or denomination. Catholicism is Christianity. Protestantism is Korah’s Rebellion.
Wow! You convinced me with this brilliant bit of rhetoric. Your plethora of examples and historical context cannot be refuted. I yield to your intellectual prowess.
I appreciate your videos, very good stuff, but please don't put down Pope Francis. He did a good job shutting down the 60 minutes interviewer are our key issues, excellent job!
I’m a Reformed Christian who prefers mainline churches such as Lutherans, Anglicans, and Presbyterians because they are the more historically based ones who sought to do what the Reformation intended, reform the visible church.
If you feel that way, then you should join the Catholic Church brother. I joined after growing up Baptist all my life. The Church could use some reform especially since Vatican 2 had caused unnecessary fracture in parts of the Church, sure. But it’s still the universal apostolic Church and despite the issues people have with Pope Francis the Bishop of Rome is still the seat of Saint Peter.
@@goyonman9655 No. I believe Vatican 2 certainly had many flaws that need some updating and revising possibly, but I reject the radical belief that Vatican 2 is some sort of satanic apostasy that turned the Catholic Church astray. Vatican 2 has done good as well even if people want to deny it. If people believe Vatican 2 apostasized the Catholic Church, then the are essentially calling Jesus a liar, when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church.
nah I believe in the 7 ecumenical councils. and the bible. this is a water down version of Christianity. my church Spill Blood and blood. to make sure you had that Bible and evangelize people . IC XC NIKA
Numbers matter when Jesus said the wrong path is wide and well traveled while the right path is narrow and lightly traveled? I'd say there are only a small number of Catholics since few aren't absolved of mortal sin.
You're 100 percent correct about Evangelicals. The church didn't take them seriously and now they are paying the price. This quote sums up Protestantism: It happens that their tradition respecting redemption is invisible and incomprehensible, as being the mother of things which are incomprehensible and invisible; and on this account, since it is fluctuating, it is impossible simply and all at once to make known its nature, for every one of them hands it down just as his inclination prompts. Thus there are as many schemes of redemption as there are teachers of these mystical opinions. And when we come to refute them, we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith. - St Irenaeus of Lyons
What about the Confessional Lutherans, Confessional Reformed and conservative Anglicans? To consider them part of the Liberal Mainline is a little odd.
His entire point is that those traditions are dwindling, becoming irrelevant. Evangelicalism is on the rise. This is where God begins to separate the sheep from the goats, you either join the Catholic Church, or the Evangelical movement, by joining the confessional Lutherans, Reformed, or Anglicans, is to sit on the sidelines.
Interesting video. I was of the perception that the Lutherans and the RCC had patched up differences and had basically rentered the RCC fold. Is this a wrong perception, far from the truth l?
@@marvalice3455 My apologies . The two groups signed a joint declaration on the doctrine of justification in 1999. I thought that that effectively ended the ‘protest’.
I think it’s more like they are moving in that direction. But the two churches are definitely not in full communion. Leadership regularly has talks and they both want to move toward further fellowship. But Lutherans would not want to submit to the pope even if they agreed on every other point of doctrine. And that is sort of a sticking point for Catholicism.
Evangelicals/born again scan be summed up like this. They're so called conversions are them taking time reflecting on past regrets. This leads to a mental breakdown. After finishing an often violent sobbing fit they scream 'I am saved!' while going through a rush of ecstasy. Afterwards they go around believing they're holier than anyone who hasn't gone through a similar experience.
You seem to have a poor understanding of Evangelicals. I don't know any that think salvation is a one time event. Perhaps it's a semantic thing, but evangelicals believe that salvation is a process of regeneration, sanctification and glorification. Also, in no way do people like Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn or anyone like them represent Evangelicalism. They represent the prosperity gospel.
Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a significant group of evangelicals that thinks of salvation as an ongoing thing throughout their life. They view it as happening once in the past.
@@not_milkI’ve heard quite a few say things like “your eternal life begins the moment you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior,” and things like that.
for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction..... narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 1 Billion catholics going straight to Hell. Sola Fide, get saved.
Do you understand if your Protestant all these Catholics will… still go to heaven. They still have faith in Jesus. Protestantism is a mess sometimes. Convert it the church of Jesus, become catholic.
I'm a KJV only Independent Fundamental Baptist. Protestants are catholic-lite. Bible teaches believe and trust are synonymous, catholics are trusting in their works, so they do not trust in Jesus for their salvation. @@bikesrcool_1958
this is a dumb arguement. Jesus said to convert as many people as possible. using Matthew 7:13-14 as a correlation to biggest church=evil engineers a contradiction in the bible. the wide gate is referring to secularism and paganism. the narrow gate is referring to christianity.
As a Pentecostal, good to see the charismatic Catholic Church booming. 😂😂 We’ve penetrated deeply and there’s no way to go back now. Mission accomplished. Maybe I might become charismatic Catholic and spread the charismata even more. 🎉🎉
If you were to become Catholic at least you would have them sacraments, and a better chance at being saved. Just remember if this " spirit" tells you something contrary to a dogma of the Catholic faith its not the Holy Spirit you are talking to.
@@imisschristendom5293 I had an incredible Born Again experience that absolutely turned my life around and changed me completely. I also have a high Lutheran view of the Lord's Supper which many scholastic medieval Catholic theologians believed was "not repugnant" to scripture. Not withstanding, that Second Vatican Council document called Unitatis Redintegratio refers to Orthodox and Protestants as "separated brethren" acknowledging the shared faith in Christ and the validity of their Baptism and Christian life. Here's the relevant excerpt from Unitatis Redintegratio: "The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect" (UR, 3). This acknowledgment from the Catholic Church underscores a recognition of the legitimacy and validity of other Christian traditions, even amidst our persisting theological and ecclesial differences. Vatican II (1962-1965), was an ecumenical council, and its teachings and documents are considered authoritative and are part of the Magisterium. More over, recent Popes (John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II and Francis) have all emphasized the importance of a deeper relationship with the Holy Spirit for all Catholics, and have spoken encouragingly to the Catholic charismatic renewal on many occasions. As of 2013, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal had over 160 million members worldwide: www.euppublishing.com/doi/10.3366/swc.2019.0267 It is projected to be 300 million 2030. Pope Francis prays with Charismatic Catholics at the large stadium: ua-cam.com/video/PFVDQdamv1w/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/xWcujx1II2w/v-deo.html Father Mark Goring: ua-cam.com/video/JYWjMSnW0lY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/L5b0U7UWYD8/v-deo.html Father Gregory Pine: ua-cam.com/video/edcGm134t84/v-deo.html Father Jake Anderson: ua-cam.com/video/za_aTjwVr7E/v-deo.html Catholic Truth with Brian Mercier: ua-cam.com/video/ZR9kAA0c0GI/v-deo.html Pints with Aquinas: ua-cam.com/video/M7Hlm-BX3PA/v-deo.html Others: ua-cam.com/video/eG_ENeX3Xxo/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/Q0MZw9VXoWI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/_HvKwDk6fqI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/5NwMSPqd4ss/v-deo.html I actually love the Catholic Church and defend her from other Protestants. But the hatred between Protestants and Catholics is unfortunate. And you are not helping. If I was going to be Catholic - it would charismatic 😅
@ntlearning, the fullness of the Truth is found only in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church founded on St. Peter by Jesus Christ Himself, the Catholic Church.
@@JK23111 You are about to be a heretic too brother. I've been informed that Pope Francis has officially said that the Latin Mass cannot continue. If you follow the traditional Latin mass (which as a Protestant, I support your historical right to practice the faith of your ancestors), you are a heretic too.
Evangelicals, big fans of Martin Luther except ... they don't embrace anything that Luther advocated: infant baptism, confirmation, the Lord's Prayer, the Apostle's Creed, regular communion.
Kinda makes the whole idea pointless, huh?
I have noticed that. And most pastors spend a lot of time protesting the original protesters. I even saw one pastor protesting what he taught for 30 years. He said he was wrong.
Believe it or not...Martin Luther also embraced the Blessed Virgin Mary!
Yes, Lutherans were the original Evangelicals; today’s Evangelicals are not the same.
@@juanisaac5172 they are the worst religious sect to me I rather praise God in my house than joining them. They hate even their fellow pastors😂😂😂😂
your videos rock! i am a convert from the southern baptist faith, am now Catholic
Welcome Home
Welcome Home. I attend the Novus Ordo Mass. ☺🙏💖
"How many Lutherans have TV shows?"
Yeah, it's been decades since Davey and Goliath was popular!
I personally think the Maronite Rite is beautiful.
I’ve been to Byzantine, Maronite, & Latin Rite masses/liturgies, & the Maronite stands out to me as most beautiful.
So glad to have a UA-cam channel of like mind. And yes Evangelicalism IS mainline protestantism today. Soon they will declare Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians as "not true Christian" soon.
Bigotry is so lovely isn't it?
Many Evangelicals did that long ago.
And more and more “mainline Protestants” are either going extinct due to almost nonexistent birthrates or becoming Catholic
To be fair, many in those denominations are working hard at making their churches no longer Christian
I think most already view it that way. I attend a non denominational evangelical church, and they would consider Anglicans and Lutherans as not truly Christian, or at least in an unknown status.
@@not_milk and what gave you that authority?
I've found your channel, I'm contemplating conversion. Christ is lord! Thank you, Steve ❤✝️
Before you do, please look into the "irrelevant" church known as the Lutheran church (LCMS if you're in the US, but if you're somewhere else, you'll need to find out which ones are the liberal one with things like that horrible "sparkle creed" and look into the ones that aren't like that)
This UA-camr himself acknowledges that the truth doesn't care how much the world thinks you're "irrelevant" or not, the truth is the truth. And remember, Christianity as a whole was once a tiny "irrelevant" sect of Judaism with an "odd" belief that it's founder came back from the dead, before it was the largest religion in the world.
I would bet that most of everything you like about Catholicism is present in the credal Lutheran church, but the problematic parts are not present.
I'm with you in finding much of this modern evangelical Protestantism lacking, but especially if you look into the true history of Luther and why the Catholic Church left him (he did not leave the Catholic Church, don't let anyone gaslight you about that), you might, like me, find it hard to take the side of the Catholic Church as opposed to his. And if you agree that Luther was right and Pope Leo X was wrong, then you are a part of the true Catholic Church, which isn't in Rome.
@@JustAskingQuestions8571 Facinating take, my brother! God bless you! ❤️✝️
If you have any books/movies/yt channels to recommend I'd love to partake.
To your question, I am (unfortunatly) in Sweden (IKEA and meatballs) and our national church is evangelical-lutheran. It is, however filled with pride-flags, LGBTQ politicing and such... not a great fit... aside from that the Lutheran church has little precense in Sweden so I think I'll keep looking into Catholicism.
I want to thank you for your long comment though, appreciate that you spread your faith like that. Respect.
Pardon my english, it is not my first language
Amen, The Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Believe The Gospel and you will be Saved.
Why the prot lurking on a Catholic channel? No Luther left the church because he wasn't elevated to Bishop of Wittenberg. Plus his fellow monks thought him a sperg when he was himself a monk in a monastery. No Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. Judaism is a rejection of Christ and a heretical off shoot of the old testament faith. Christ fullfilled the law, the prophecy and scripture and founded The one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. See Gospel of Mathew.
The last place I thought I'd end up is in the Catholic Church, but after reading as many ancient sources I could I concluded the Church started by Christ is the Catholic Church and when it mattered they deferred to the Pope. What I recommend is the playlist called the crisis in the church on SSPX-News' page here on yt. It is long, but the first will establish what philosophical errors set the ground for the "reformers" (uhm ... they left and made up their own bs and haven't stopped "reforming" since. Reformers were people like Teresa of Avila) as well as show where we stand today.
The mainline churches aren't even mainline anymore 😆
I grew up in one of the most Lutheran states in the country, and the only noticeable Christian presence was evangelical.
There is a reason why politically speaking, anything that isn't Catholic or evangelical never even gets a mention.
Mainline is a reference to both it's former mainstream status and the fact most of their headquarters were on the same "mainline", a literal corridor of train railway.
Praying for all Protestants, regardless of denomination.
There but for the grace of God...
Imagine being raised with constant lies about Catholicism?
May they all find their way home to the Truth of Catholicism one day 🙏
Roman Catholic Church also lies! About writing the first Bible and looking what they are covering up under the Vatican!! Should wake up every Catholic
Catholicism isn't truth, it's an active denial of truth in favor of "shut up and do as you're told without thinking about it".
I like that you chose the high road.
Realized that too. I’m not Protestant anymore, but I chose Orthodoxy over Catholicism.
One thing that sickened me during my conversion process was the outright blatant lies Protestants, especially low church, parrot about Catholicism
@@basilmakedonWhy tho? i almost became orthodox but i cant accept that grace and salvation is depended on the numerous canons of the orthodox church if your in your being saved if your arent orthodox you are 100p doomed
"...infected with penticostals". Great summation.
Thank God i never liked evangelical worship, when i was one, because i didnt knew better, im a traditional Catholic, we are growing as a movement even tho slowly. WOE to you secularists
Huh? They’re all heretics!
A lot of evangelicals were never baptized and hate the idea of it. That makes them no better than pagans.
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A lot of catholics belive sodomites are not mirtally sinful
Exactly what I was thinking. I don't care if they are mainline Protestants or Evangelicals. None of them belong to the Church founded by Jesus. They all belong to man-made sects.
Your analysis is solid. And perhaps depressing, considering Mike Winger’s recent expose on Binny Hinn, and how much influence he and his allies have world wide.
But there is the phenomenon of what people are calling “the surge” into Eastern Orthodoxy in the USA and Europe and something similar in the ACNA (Anglican Church in North America). There are many theories about why it is occurring. Probably some combination of reaction against what happened during the pandemic and access to websites and communities promoting these denominations.
But ultimately, your analysis is still right because these are tiny groups in the United States. They could double in size three or four times and still be a tiny fraction of the evangelical/baptist/charismatic coalition.
I have been thinking about how to categorize Protestant movements. The original OG Protestant churches claim the original name “Evangelical.” But I now think about it in terms of waves, early/mid/late. Each wave started out with some level of emphasis for true heart religion but was replaced over time with what I call “orthodusty.” This prompted the next wave which would emphasize a personal relationship with Christ and heart religion, i.e. the affective dimension. So the Pietists in Germany and the Methodists in England and the Great Awakening in the US were the original “New Evangelicals.”
Then the late wave of Evangelicals arose in the 20th century in response to another period of nominalism and orthodusty.
The same pattern can be seen in the Catholic Church throughout history. For example, the movement that Thomas Kempis was part of. The revival movements led by St Benedict, St Dominic, and St Bernard. The counter reformation was like this to some respect, but ended up promoting traditional forms as a reaction against Protestants. (What I mean is the older forms became ossified because of a reactionary attitude toward Protestantism. I say this as a member of a Byzantine Rite Church - I love solemn traditional liturgy, but there is a place for legitimate reforms like that of St Gregory the Great and St Bernard.) But, the counter reformation did result in spiritual revivals like those of St Ignatius Loyola and St Francis de Sales.
Vatican II was meant to lay the groundwork for the next revival. And we can see genuine fruits of spiritual revival in the work of apostolates as varied as Bp Fulton Sheen, Opus Dei, and Exodus 90.
Another part of my analysis is that what I call “late Evangelicalism” is itself in its own late stage where nominalism becomes the norm. But, in this case, not a form of dead intellectual orthodusty. But the vapid consumerism centered mega church movement. ua-cam.com/video/5BuiwgGqNx4/v-deo.htmlsi=l_R1RLmCTlW05PzD
Where as the early phase of the movement emphasized heart religion, the current movement has reached a state of such degeneracy that most of the adherents and congregants are are nominalistic and in it only for the “culturally relevant” entertainment and feels. The consolidation of smaller congregations into larger and larger groups follows the same pattern of small shops being replaced with the big box stores, with the same homogenization and loss of community.
Outwardly the music has seemingly become more emotional and spontaneous but in most cases it is an over engineered entertainment product that can only be delivered by a professional cast of entertainers while the congregants become passive observers.
And even if there is enthusiasm in certain individuals, lack of substantive preaching and catechesis leaves most of them spiritually immature, confused about what they need to “do” to grow.
Certainly, this vapidity has led to the surge into traditional Christian groups like Catholics, Anglicans, and Orthodoxy. But, it is likely that this surge is actually just a drop in the bucket. While at the same time everyone says the the “church” (by which they mean American Protestantism) is dying. Either to liberal apostasy, or in shrinking numbers as religion becomes more and more passé and irrelevant. Trend lines are sometimes more important than we think in predicting the future.
Every protestant is under the impression he is the main character, while being terciary one off antagonists at best.
At least Lutherans believe in ConSubStantiation
Exactly.
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He is very wrong
Isn't that everyone?
I think charismatic pentecostalism is distantly related to to catholicism in that it comes from a branch of methodism, which derives from anglicanism, which derives from catholicism ultimately. Most of the old mainline denominations are cessationists (do not believe in miracles) but the aforementioned do (continuationists). This is part of the reason why charismatic denominations have gained so much ground in traditionally catholic areas.
I'd love for there to be a traditional Mass where I live.
I’m reformed and to be honest it’s sad to see the mainline protestant churches dying out.
I don’t know what happend to the mainline protestant churches but I am not planning on leaving the reformed church. I guess that the mainline protestants just became way to liberal and everyone started becoming evangelical.
Mainline Protestant “churches” have compromised the Truth & watered down their teachings, so they shouldn’t be surprised with the decline, which was inevitable!
I look at evangelical Protestantism and it seems offf
It's a cult.
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"A" cult
Your statement makes no sense
@goyonman9655 Your life makes no sense. This is youtube not some college thesis.
Those TV "pastors" tend to be blasphemous.! The most important protestant churches are the ones faithful to the bible. whether they are well-known or not.
Good video. Needed to be said and I’ve made the same point several times. I also think highlighting numbers/relevance is useful when comparing the Catholic Church against Eastern Orthodoxy. ~220 million is much smaller than 1.4 billion but when you consider that most of that 220 million is counted in the home countries you begin to see how tiny and isolated Eastern Orthodoxy truly is. The Eastern Orthodox diaspora is a small fraction of that 220 million. Eastern Orthodoxy in America is smaller than Reform Judaism and Hinduism in America. The world population of ROCOR is a little less than the size of the SSPX.
Back when I was a Protestant before I became Catholic. The church I went to was an associated gospel Church, which I think was a part of the Assemblies of God
There are no relevant Protestant churches, in regards to Biblical teachings.
dear person ,it's the faithful protestants who use only the bible
I put a app on my phone to find a mass nearby I’m a convert I think my church is norvos ordo haven’t started RCIA yet. But I would really love to see a traditional mass.
what app is it?
There are also websites specifically for finding Latin mass. UA-cam doesn’t like links but if you need helping finding it I’ll try and type a workaround
@microsoftpain "Catholic Mass" app is one of them. It's very informative and simple.
@@baumholderh8425 awesome thank u
@@ROCKDEES1 thank u
Catholic charismatics are quickly fading away, thank God. Catholicism is growing rapidly again. Yes, it is.
That is truly grand to hear. That nonsense freaked me out.
So many intelligent comments, mainly coming from others that recognize the true ancient faith of our Fathers, it gives my spirit a rise. Why is it that that most exorcists don't use the worthless new rite and after the failed attempts by other pagan ministers to perform an exorcism, they call in the real soldier for the Kingdom, a Traditional Catholic Exorcist.
Viva Cristo Rey
I was raised Protestant and spent time in Baptist, Methodist, and Non-denominational churches. I've been researching Catholicism for a while now. The more I do, the more illogical Protestantism seems to me. I knew many Prots who did good works and strive to be good people, but they're confused about theology. One example is confusion about marriage and how deeply rooted feminism was in Evangelical churches. There was no sin women could commit that would not be minimized, excused, or ignored. It led to so many bad and broken marriages.
The simple problem here is that Baptists and nondenominationals, Pentecostals are all apart of the radical reformation. Meaning a lack of historical roots, and no connection to the physical reformers. In total 4 protestenism groups exist, fitting in to these 4 categories. Lutheran, reformed, Anglican, and Methodist. Luther was far more critical of the ana-baptists , (and same with Calvin) than Rome. Changing the foundation of protestenism to something else is not protestenism. Furthermore these radicals call themselves protestents, if every Muslim called themselves Roman or Eastern Orthodox, would they then be the only true Romans or Orthodox? No, just Mormons aren't considered Christians and yet Google may disagree.
If the orthodox church has valid sacraments and is still holding to ancient teachings while the catholic church is constantly failing these days why would someone not just go to the orthodox church?
Because the Orthodox Church will destroy all the Roman Catholic and Protestant presuppositions. The royal and narrow path is hard and many will not want to submit their will to a higher authority. Christ is Risen!!☦️
@shobudski6776 Indeed, he has risen!
I am speaking as a roman Catholic but I have many doubts regarding the post Vatican 2 church and its validity.
Because the Orthodox are unhinged group of people who are not guided by the Holy Spirit. They also have un-biblical teachings such as divorce outside of adultery, contraception and even reject the biblically evident filioque.
Because the orthodox church is schismatic. They refuse to recognize the authority of the Pope. Although our current pope has stated manly misleading things, he has not defined any ex cathedra/dogmatically opposed to the faith. Our Lord had given the keys of the kingdom to St. Peter, whose papal succession has not ended.
AMEN TO THIS MESSAGE!
The fact that the title is written that way, shows you're not of the true God.
Following the Lord is not a competition. The same denominations you're looking down on are doing missionary works in places where people have never heard about our Lord Jesus Christ. I am a witness of that.
lol most of those missionaries are trying to convert catholics. few to none of them dare to evangelize to atheised european countries or muslim countries because theyre gears in an anti-catholic machine. refuting doctrine which can damn you is not hateful. and its very hypocritical to say he is not of the true God and then dog on him about "looking down" on people who are actively sending well meaning people to hell through false teaching
@@supercoolandawesomefrso true!
I miss the intro song. I know, superficial, but I like it.
There's another reason to disregard Mainline Protestant groups: Their average congregant age is around 50-ish, whereas the average congregant in an evangelical church is 30-ish. The next generation of Christians will come from traditional Catholics (6+ kids per couple) and evangelicals (3+ kids per couple). Show me a mainline congregation that has 200 persons in the pews today, and I'll show you a building that'll be largely empty in 20 years.
Thank you! Please do a video why you prefere SSPX more than FSSP.
I understand your sentiment, but I just want to give a warning.
Too often conservatives (not just religious conservatives) will nitpick when someone is providing a good that’s not perfect. The FSSP offers a more traditional and reverence mass. They may not be perfect but they still offer that good tradition.
The focus should be on non reverence masses and not attacking traditional style organizations that agree with you more then they disagree. Not to say you can’t politely critique them, but traditionalist need to promote a strong message, not an infighting one.
Well said! @@baumholderh8425
My biggest issue with FSSP (at least in the Sunbelt) is that the people who attend it are prone to hyper individualism and keeping up with the Jones’s and just as materialistic as mainstream culture while SSPX and Anglican Ordinariate are much more working class friendly
@BoaConstrictor126 I love the ordinariate community!! Vibrant beautiful faith, very young families, booming numbers
The SSPX is more vocal about condemning modernism. They also oppose ecumenism, religious liberty, and collegiality w/ greater fervor.
Kyle the youtube channel made a video on how trad catholics lead to orthodoxy. Could you please make a video on your views on this topic.
Hey bro, why not just remain Roman Catholic and just go to a TLM? I’m in the N.O. Group I like both. TLM is about a 20 minute drive vs 3 minute. I think you even in past videos said Francis isn’t a reason to leave rome
7:40 "...I'm a traditional catholic..."
Perhaps watch the video, then comment.
He's said many times over the years that he attends both the new mass and the traditional mass.
@@richardditty5318 The question wasn’t that , it was why he chose the SSPX vs remaining Latin rite
The SSPX uses the Latin rite. Specifically the Roman Missal of 1962, believe Francis is pope, have been given universal jurisdiction for confession and weddings by Francis (which includes a wedding mass), and have had the begrudged approval of the DDF that it is perfectly licit to attend an SSPX mass and even donate for the collections. You can't give faculties to schismatics, yet the SSPX has consistently discussed with Rome on how to reconcile. Each time Rome has conceded on various topics. Lastly, I do believe he made a video in defense of the SSPX as well so you can find why he chose them over others.
SSPX is Latin Rite
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I’m a Protestant just recently
I come from the Church of Christ (not United, not Mormon), but converted to Catholicism after my divorce, and weas confirmed last year. I craved the Eucharist, a real church with real authority, and realized every other denomination simply treated Christianity as a buffet. I wanted the whole meal. The Church of Christ has so much in common, with the Church established by Jesus. It believes communion is important enough to take every week, it does not believe in once saved always saved, or salvation by faith alone, baptism, and more. Like Saint Paul, I believe it would be good to find what we have in common with any denomination as a starting point to bring these Christians into full communion. He approached the Romans by recognizing their idol to the "unknown god," and offered to tell them about the true unknown God. Just a thought, not a criticism in any way. We all have our own mission fields. Even the Apostles did.
you are living in confusion because you never speak about the 66 books of the Bible. Are we supposed to believe you know the Bible? What does your speech have to do with anything in the Bible? You've replaced the Bible with the Doctrines of Men
I understand why you tend to focus on the evangelical types, and they are undoubtedly the most influential. But the problem is that when you talk about the evangelical protestants you make it sound like they are the only ones that exist. You criticize Protestantism as a whole by directing your attacks at only the evangelical ones. The criticism is not that you focus on the evangelicals, but that you act like evangelical Protestantism is the only Protestantism. When you complain about the evangelicals, it needs to be made more clear that you are only talking about the evangelicals, and not Protestants as a whole.
"Why I only argue with Evangelical Christians" LOL But it's an interesting take on online discourse
Should protestants therefore just take cheap shots at charismatic catholics instead of actually adressing Catholic doctrine?
You could just read the catechism and ask questions about actual doctrine vs what you think it is
@@Rabbit19964Remember Jesus hated man made rules in Jewish Writings and He would hate the Catechism too which is man made rules!! And take a look at what the Vatican is secretly hiding under the Vatican!! It will make you think twice about remaining Catholic!!
Take RCIA
@rabbit19964 he's trying to say this channel just takes cheap shots at evangelicals instead of addressing protestant doctrine. But @mingisuvakas6051 if the mainline protestants are correct, why is their church dwindling, while the Catholic Church and the Evangelicals are both growing. He is right, these are the only doctrines that are relevant today. Evangelical is so obviously wrong, Catholicism must be right, because Christ prophesied the Church being eternal. Mainline protestantism which is dying out is clearly not the eternal unified Church that Christ had established.
@@jonathan83011 When was your last council ? The five solas? Yeah he’s on point.
Whether it's a "high church" Anglican ceremony with incense, or a megachurch laser light show, either way it's heretical. I agree with a lot of what you say, but I do take issue (sort of) with putting the word "traditional" before the word "Catholic"... And especially saying we are a "subset" of Catholicism. I think a better way to put it is that people are either Catholic or they're not. Many of the "Novus Ordo" people don't really assent to even basic dogmas. So is the Novus Ordo Church the Catholic Church? I submit that it is not.
Do you submit to the Pope and the magisterium? If so, then the Novus Ordo is a valid way to celebrate the mass, despite how the laity that attends may feel.
“One Lord, One Baptism, One Faith”. There’s only one Church, one true interpretation of the Bible & one universal doctrine all Christians must conform to. You can’t reform truth. There aren’t any versions of Christianity. There’s only the Catholic Church. There is no private interpretation of Scripture the Bible says, Phillip & the Eunuch back this up & you can’t start your own church or denomination. Catholicism is Christianity. Protestantism is Korah’s Rebellion.
To the Orthodox subscribe to Roman Catholicism??
Narrow is the gate and difficult is the way, for many are called but few are chosen
This absolute arrogance and historic anti-intellectualism makes me ill.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
Wow! You convinced me with this brilliant bit of rhetoric. Your plethora of examples and historical context cannot be refuted. I yield to your intellectual prowess.
Good show and thank you. I am a Roman Catholic and attend the Novus Ordo Mass. ☺🙏💖
Idiocy
I appreciate your videos, very good stuff, but please don't put down Pope Francis. He did a good job shutting down the 60 minutes interviewer are our key issues, excellent job!
I’m a Reformed Christian who prefers mainline churches such as Lutherans, Anglicans, and Presbyterians because they are the more historically based ones who sought to do what the Reformation intended, reform the visible church.
Well keep digging into history and you'll end up in the right place
If you feel that way, then you should join the Catholic Church brother. I joined after growing up Baptist all my life.
The Church could use some reform especially since Vatican 2 had caused unnecessary fracture in parts of the Church, sure. But it’s still the universal apostolic Church and despite the issues people have with Pope Francis the Bishop of Rome is still the seat of Saint Peter.
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History distanced me from rome
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Do you deny vactican 2??
@@goyonman9655 No. I believe Vatican 2 certainly had many flaws that need some updating and revising possibly, but I reject the radical belief that Vatican 2 is some sort of satanic apostasy that turned the Catholic Church astray. Vatican 2 has done good as well even if people want to deny it.
If people believe Vatican 2 apostasized the Catholic Church, then the are essentially calling Jesus a liar, when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church.
nah I believe in the 7 ecumenical councils. and the bible. this is a water down version of Christianity. my church Spill Blood and blood. to make sure you had that Bible and evangelize people . IC XC NIKA
Anyone can start a Protestant church, locate it in a shopping mall and combine it with pizza franchise and sell pizza & church.
Numbers matter when Jesus said the wrong path is wide and well traveled while the right path is narrow and lightly traveled? I'd say there are only a small number of Catholics since few aren't absolved of mortal sin.
“The Faith was once and for all delivered to the saints, except the plethora of things we decided needed to be changed”
-evangelicals
You're 100 percent correct about Evangelicals. The church didn't take them seriously and now they are paying the price. This quote sums up Protestantism:
It happens that their tradition respecting redemption is invisible and incomprehensible, as being the mother of things which are incomprehensible and invisible; and on this account, since it is fluctuating, it is impossible simply and all at once to make known its nature, for every one of them hands it down just as his inclination prompts. Thus there are as many schemes of redemption as there are teachers of these mystical opinions. And when we come to refute them, we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith. - St Irenaeus of Lyons
Interesting that a you tuber marks the sign of relevance being they have TV shows?
Jehovah's witnesses Mormons Adventists etc all say they follow the Bible and Catholics don't but they all have different believefs
Figures don't lie but liars can figure.
What about the Confessional Lutherans, Confessional
Reformed and conservative Anglicans? To consider them part of the Liberal Mainline is a little odd.
His entire point is that those traditions are dwindling, becoming irrelevant. Evangelicalism is on the rise. This is where God begins to separate the sheep from the goats, you either join the Catholic Church, or the Evangelical movement, by joining the confessional Lutherans, Reformed, or Anglicans, is to sit on the sidelines.
Interesting video. I was of the perception that the Lutherans and the RCC had patched up differences and had basically rentered the RCC fold. Is this a wrong perception, far from the truth l?
Who told you that, and why did you believe them?
@@marvalice3455 My apologies . The two groups signed a joint declaration on the doctrine of justification in 1999. I thought that that effectively ended the ‘protest’.
I think it’s more like they are moving in that direction. But the two churches are definitely not in full communion.
Leadership regularly has talks and they both want to move toward further fellowship. But Lutherans would not want to submit to the pope even if they agreed on every other point of doctrine. And that is sort of a sticking point for Catholicism.
@@not_milk ah ok, cheers for that.
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1:38 what do you mean by “relevant”?
Evangelicals/born again scan be summed up like this. They're so called conversions are them taking time reflecting on past regrets. This leads to a mental breakdown. After finishing an often violent sobbing fit they scream 'I am saved!' while going through a rush of ecstasy. Afterwards they go around believing they're holier than anyone who hasn't gone through a similar experience.
If you don't like people making generalizations about Catholics, don't respond in kind.
You seem to have a poor understanding of Evangelicals. I don't know any that think salvation is a one time event. Perhaps it's a semantic thing, but evangelicals believe that salvation is a process of regeneration, sanctification and glorification. Also, in no way do people like Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn or anyone like them represent Evangelicalism. They represent the prosperity gospel.
The majority of the ones I know do and I used to be evangelical
I was an evangelical, for over 20 years. He knows exactly what he's talking about.
Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a significant group of evangelicals that thinks of salvation as an ongoing thing throughout their life. They view it as happening once in the past.
"Once saved, always saved" is an evangelical idea.
@@not_milkI’ve heard quite a few say things like “your eternal life begins the moment you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior,” and things like that.
for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction..... narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 1 Billion catholics going straight to Hell. Sola Fide, get saved.
Do you understand if your Protestant all these Catholics will… still go to heaven.
They still have faith in Jesus. Protestantism is a mess sometimes. Convert it the church of Jesus, become catholic.
I'm a KJV only Independent Fundamental Baptist. Protestants are catholic-lite. Bible teaches believe and trust are synonymous, catholics are trusting in their works, so they do not trust in Jesus for their salvation. @@bikesrcool_1958
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100% correct. Thanks!
this is a dumb arguement. Jesus said to convert as many people as possible. using Matthew 7:13-14 as a correlation to biggest church=evil engineers a contradiction in the bible. the wide gate is referring to secularism and paganism. the narrow gate is referring to christianity.
As a Pentecostal, good to see the charismatic Catholic Church booming. 😂😂 We’ve penetrated deeply and there’s no way to go back now. Mission accomplished. Maybe I might become charismatic Catholic and spread the charismata even more. 🎉🎉
You get the lazy/foolish sheep that go for show over substance. Literally where the term charismatic comes from lol
If you were to become Catholic at least you would have them sacraments, and a better chance at being saved.
Just remember if this " spirit" tells you something contrary to a dogma of the Catholic faith its not the Holy Spirit you are talking to.
@@imisschristendom5293 I had an incredible Born Again experience that absolutely turned my life around and changed me completely. I also have a high Lutheran view of the Lord's Supper which many scholastic medieval Catholic theologians believed was "not repugnant" to scripture.
Not withstanding, that Second Vatican Council document called Unitatis Redintegratio refers to Orthodox and Protestants as "separated brethren" acknowledging the shared faith in Christ and the validity of their Baptism and Christian life.
Here's the relevant excerpt from Unitatis Redintegratio: "The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect" (UR, 3).
This acknowledgment from the Catholic Church underscores a recognition of the legitimacy and validity of other Christian traditions, even amidst our persisting theological and ecclesial differences. Vatican II (1962-1965), was an ecumenical council, and its teachings and documents are considered authoritative and are part of the Magisterium.
More over, recent Popes (John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II and Francis) have all emphasized the importance of a deeper relationship with the Holy Spirit for all Catholics, and have spoken encouragingly to the Catholic charismatic renewal on many occasions.
As of 2013, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal had over 160 million members worldwide: www.euppublishing.com/doi/10.3366/swc.2019.0267
It is projected to be 300 million 2030.
Pope Francis prays with Charismatic Catholics at the large stadium:
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Father Mark Goring:
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Father Gregory Pine:
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Father Jake Anderson:
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Catholic Truth with Brian Mercier:
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Pints with Aquinas:
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I actually love the Catholic Church and defend her from other Protestants. But the hatred between Protestants and Catholics is unfortunate. And you are not helping.
If I was going to be Catholic - it would charismatic 😅
@ntlearning, the fullness of the Truth is found only in the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church founded on St. Peter by Jesus Christ Himself, the Catholic Church.
@@imisschristendom5293 🎯
When a Christian ....?.. on line is criticizing other Christians, be ware. Are you throwing the first stone . .?
I guess you think we should just tolerate every heresy
@@JK23111 You are about to be a heretic too brother. I've been informed that Pope Francis has officially said that the Latin Mass cannot continue. If you follow the traditional Latin mass (which as a Protestant, I support your historical right to practice the faith of your ancestors), you are a heretic too.
Nonsense.
Tlm is allowed alongside NO.
Dont spread incorrect info.
Unity should be the goal of all Christians. We need to point out falsehoods so we may be united in the truth, the Church Christ himself established.
@@JustAskingQuestions8571you have been informed? Wow such undeniable evidence.
I am an Evangelical and a Catholic at the same time.