Christian Nationalism On The Rise
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2022
- An Idaho town grapples with questions about the role that religion should play in the public square as Christian rhetoric rises in American conservative politics.
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Politicians should never campaign in churches. I find it despicable.
But there are voters in churches.
Churches re the ones campaigning for politicians
I was asked to listen and vote for this person, I never even knew the people, if you think I voted for that person, I didn’t.
What country do you live in? America is supposed to be free to do as you wish, live as you wish,and worship as you wish. Just what is your problem with that.
@@dennisreed3382 church & state
I was once taught by a wise woman that 'the church is full of sinners, not of saints'.
Sinners saved by grace.
We are all sinners.
@@ruthalbala2181 but still sinners even after being saved
@@brenlh6484 Not really. They hide within religion. And continue to commit their crimes.
This is why we need God now more than ever
If churches are exempt from paying taxes, then they should refrain from preaching on politics. I read something written in another comment section that I liked, “two people you should never trust. A preacher who tells you how to vote, and a politician who tells you how to pray.”
There's only one way this world will get better. And that way is the way of the Bible
Yo’@@Sam.G79. I’ve had to endure Christian hypocrisy most of my life, and I’ve come to the conclusions the louder the Christian the more hypocritical. These days there are two prayers I routinely I recite quietly to myself in moments of reflection. One is simple gratitude to for the life and experiences I’ve been granted. The other is a plea to my creator to protect me from the rabid religious zealots regardless the specific beliefs.
@@rogerharvey1698 You're right, there's lots of hypocrisy in the church. So why not be that example of how a Christian is supposed to live?
You must of watched the BBC piece, excellent in many ways.... and from a government network with a state church!
dont care, Christ is King, stay mad
“That’s not a hate crime.”
“Well I hated it!”
For reference : First Amendment
The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices.
@SNAFU ~ Good eye.. It’s that prohibition that forms the foundation upon which the wall of separation is built.
Shorter said, the "nation" is not "Christian"... Ppl can be, the nation and it's laws are not.
For reference, you are giving us the function of the amendment; you are not giving us the theory behind the amendment; in other words, why founding fathers wrote it is not explained by telling us what it does. Americans seem to hate the question: Why? But love the questions of What and When?
@@MrDXRamirez Care to elucidate the theory behind it for us? Seems to me that sometimes the function is the reason why, but I'm open to hearing your perspective on this.
@@chipsalom Because Christianity was assumed in its founding.
I'm tired of "religious freedom " overruling every other freedom. And I'm tired of the Christian entitlement that gets forced on the rest of us.
Even most Christians are tired of the be Prosperity Gospel White Evangelical "Christian" denomination dominating the political rhetoric.
Freedom without a prefix. Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus Christ is hated by the world. You hate Christianity because you hate Jesus Christ Crucified for your sin.
@@kate60 no people hate Christianity because the church, clergy, members and also many false members have done terrible things justifying their actions with false Christianity.
Christ was/is great.
The false followers of Christ are the problem.
Who's forcing Christianity on you?
What entitlements do Christians get that you do not get?
“How dismal it is to see present day Americans yearning for the very orthodoxy that their country was founded to escape.” - Christopher Hitchens
LOL. Hitches didn't realize that the Pilgrims left England because they weren't orthodox enough in their Protestantism. The Stuarts wanted to tolerate Catholicism and incorporate its practices into the Anglican Church, the Puritans disagreed, there was a civil war where the Puritans won the war and lost the peace, so they left for America so they can oppress their own people their way while the libertines ruled in London where Catholics and Anglicans were in bed with each other. (The Stuarts were friendly with the Catholic Bourbons who ruled France)
The worse Hitchens brother
Even being a Christian nationalist your beliefs aren't that other religions shouldn't exist or have freedoms. In fact Christians have Ling stood for the religious freedoms of all religions. Clearly division of church and state is put in place to protect the people from a religion based Government which always end badly so most of these individuals wouldn't be supported by logical people. The division exists so both government and religion can exist.
Wouldn't it be hilarious to see Hitchens go head to head with that wilson guy? Fun fact: he did. The debates are epic.
@@HolyknightVader999 Nice to see someone who knows the history of America more than most Americans. The idea that the people who came here because of "religious persecution" really came here because they couldn't exert their own ways on others
I'm reminded of these wise words.
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 17 March 1814.
Said protestant Thomas Jefferson.
You want to swing it the other way and make atheism hostile to liberty?
@@pamgessler5923rightfully criticizing the Catholic Church for countless historical errors, abuses and discrepancies. It’s only unfortunate that Christianity took on the same evil mask albeit more close to home than on a wide scale.
@@pamgessler5923 Thomas Jefferson said in his book, "The Jefferson Bible" that he did not believe that Jesus was divine so he guess he wasn't a protestant.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u Jefferson made up his over religion. He didn't believe in miracles. His loss.
it is absolutely a violation of the constitution to not keep government and religion SEPARATE.... PEOPLE MIGRATE HERE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!
Wrong , in Europe the church had powers over peoples lives , that is why the Puritans came here in the first place ,
@@luisvelez5695 The comment at the top of this page said NOTHING about Puritans, not should they have, as the US Constitution is in control in the USA.
Really? Please provide which article.
@@TKO67 I have no articles to provide for you: I would suggest that you do your own research. I'll help you: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violate, and no Warrants, shall ussie, but upon probably cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be search, and the persons or things to be seized." Amendment 4 of the US Constitution."
@@debravanausdale1063 that amendment has nothing to do with the separation of church and state.a bill for a nation wide Sunday law was proposed by senator Blair 1888. it was not passed due to seventh day the baptist protested the law .
the Establishment clause exists for a reason, freedom of religion requires freedom from religion. The whole point of the clause is to prevent the government from establishing a state religion and prohibit it from favoring one faith over another, end of story.
I don't see anywhere in the video where anyone was advocating for the government to establish a religion. The Christians' views seemed to be that they want people to vote according to their biblical beliefs.
It also depends how you define religion. Someone could argue that a law against polygamy or slavery or child labor or human sacrifice is against their religion. At some point, the government must decide what is illegal regardless of any religious view. How the government decides this could be considered a religion too.
@@asdflk3298 exactly good point
Every legislature brings their “god” to the table. Church shouldn’t run the government, but disciples sure can!
Anthony, the state didn't invent marriage. Religion established it. By your logic, you should advocate the state get out of the marriage business all together. So long as it's in the marriage business, the government is dealing with religious views. So you better expect Christians to have an opinion on the religious views our secular goverment is pontificating on.
@@ogrc-dot-org5635 christianity didn't invent marriage either.
The state's interest in marriage is for taxes and child support.
Never in my life would I have thought that so many Americans would want to embrace a theocratic government like Iran, Saudi Arabia & Afghanistan.
“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ’tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.” -- Benjamin Franklin
Considering Governmental interference in religion is common place, why then should religion then not interfere in government.
@@leekenyon8705 Because that never ends well.
Because they don't pay taxes
You live in the year 2025 the monarchs don't have it that good it will stay in Moscow sir😮
How many wives does he have?😮
"Pastor says women can't wear pants". *Immediately pans to church women wearing pants. LOL
They said an act of contrition and they were fine. 😇
Did you hear Doug say that or just the people in the video?
@@djentile7773 Who's Doug? 🤪
@@petemavus2948 Doug Wilson the pastor. He's actually a cool dude, funny and intelligent.
@@djentile7773Oh, as long as he's not one of those 'conservative'christian fundamentalist extremist celebrities, I wish him luck.
I will go out on a limb and say this: " Separation of church and state or else we will have the dark ages."
Wrong the removal of God correlates directly with increased human degeneracy
Exactly. ⚛
The dark ages? Like when abortion wasn’t seen as a woman’s right to choose and when Marriage was clearly defined as a pro creation commitment done for the good of society rather than a decision based on just your impulsive infatuations.
With statements like “Love is Love” and “My body my choice” how can you be so sure we aren’t already in some sort of secular dark age?
The governments that killed the most people were atheist 😅
@@Yela927 abortion was widely practiced.
It became a Fundagelical rallying point when they realized in the 1970s that they couldn't run candidates based on racial segregation and white supremacy.
So you have a progressive Christian getting one idea from the Bible and a right wing fascist Christian getting the opposite idea… seems as though it’s an ambiguous book that can be interpreted in any way to support any position 🤔
Freedom OF religion.
Freedom FROM religion.
Freedom from religion is more important. We don't want s book written by barbarians 2000 years ago dictating us what to do. We don't want to become the Christian version of Iran. Well maybe you do, I certainly hope better for my country
I STRONGLY object to tax dollars going to churches unless they pay TAXES TOO
They do. Are you okay with your tax dollars going to churches now?
Churches have to sign up to receive it. There are churches who won’t because they refuse to be connected to the government.
@@jaybreaux1391 They don't.
Since when has any tax dollars gone to the church?
Since when do tax dollars go to a church?
A guy grifting using religion? Never heard of such a thing.
@Edwin Right-o! And molesting teens and children in the back rooms. Absolutely agree. they find this an "easy money" gig.
It isn't about religion anymore. It's about Christian nationalists gaining as much power as they possibly can
@@sdud1801 I guess you didn't see the fact I said "Christian nationalist" instead of "All Christians." or "Christians" The problem are people like you not being able to read correctly.
If you really believe those kinds of people up there are being religious and not wanting power, you're on drugs.
They're using Christianity as an ideology and not as the way to receiving a NEW nature; one ruled by true wisdom, temperance, compassion and LOVE.
Christianity is a scam
The day many Christians stopped asking WWJD & started asking WWDTD, was the day the flock was lost.
The day atheists deceived themselves with junk science is when they were lost
WWDTD? What does this mean?🤔
@@mikejohnson2173 what would Donald tRump do.
@@mikejohnson2173 What would Donald Trump do?
Modern day American atheist Marxists espousing this anti Christian propaganda is dangerous. The atheism in Communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers
The U.S. is about two heartbeats away from Germany and Italy in the late 1930's.
Yeah the Secular Atheists are going to start killing people again.
That's what I thought when Trump was elected!
You might consider carefully who closest meets the definition of fascists.
@@leehughart3160 Trump is a nationalist and authoritarian autocrat like the fascist dictators and the Democrats are state power oriented like the fascists.
"The Church is supposed to direct the government," Boebert said.
My only question for her is-which church?
There are thousands of Christian denominations. Will the Catholics lead? How about the Presbyterians? What about the Methodists?
How about we keep religion and politics separate? It seems abhorrent to me-this idea that religion and politics should ever be combined!
Notice how he said slavery was not a "positive good" implying that it was a negative good. These are the kinds of distinctions that lead religious people of all faiths to do horrendous and savage things to other human beings and have no conscious about it. This highlights one of the differences between the spiritual and the religious.
the new testament explicitly approves of slavery. It also tells women to be silent, not to teach and not to have authority over a man. It is clear that this palestinian desert religion has nothing to teach us on morality. Its creators were ignorant herdsmen who would have had nothing to contribute anything to this society, especially not to knowledge and science. Any christian who does not follow the bible and believe it literally is admitting that the bible is not the perfect word of god.
I noticed that. How about slavery was awful! Slavery was negative. Full stop?
Remember, it was the religious conservatives who defended slavery while the deists and religious liberals agitated against it in the early to mid 1800s. Nothing has changed, and I bet most of these folks think the confederacy is cool.
Wouldn't a negative good be a bad?
Good is good and bad is bad. There should be no negative or positive. @@spongeintheshoe
“They said women can’t wear pants”
Proceeds to show clip of women singing psalms wearing pants
Delusional
Well put, claims with no evidence
@jc pg: You doubt their claims of the neo-fascist ideological sewage of Christian nationalism?
Why?
@Cody James: They had left that _`Church of Satan`._ And they said that they left, too. Are you dense or trolling?!
Yeah that guy either is straight up lying or just misunderstood the message severely.
In Jesus day men wore tunics and robes, not pants. It’s acceptable for women to wear ladies clothes (lady’s pants or dresses) and men to wear mens clothes, not acceptable to be drag queens or butches in mens clothes. Just be what God made you, and don’t try to be something else.
As an Idahoan, I was not expecting this video to cover so close to home.
As a Washingtonian, I bet it's closer to me than to thee ...
I'm a native Idaho and too. I left my church when it took a hard turn towards Christian Nationalism. I was surprised that this story came to Idaho... but it makes perfect sense too. We can't allow this movement to gain power!!
@@CaptPeon Utah resident here. I left my church and it definitely had a little something to do with this insanity.
@@jordanalexander1745 good luck in Utah! My family is almost entirely Mormon and swallowing Christian Nationalism whole... and have been convening in Utah... they won't talk to me anymore because I don't think Reagan was a god-send... I guess that makes them your problem... sorry 😞
@@CaptPeon The idea that right and wrong has a place in individual life, in family life, but not in civil life is foolish and not supported by scripture. OF COURSE, we should vote according to our values and we should be trying to make disciples of the nations. If America became so Christian that it would reflect what the bible says is good and what it says is justice, that is a good thing. To think otherwise is to see God's morality and flawed and worse than man's.
As a non Christian living in the US, I am absolutely frightened by the rise of Christian nationalism. One of the reasons I came to the US is because of the First Amendment. That's a landmark rule a lot of nations can learn something of.
Then feel free to leave. The first amendment is merely a manmade law. Not sacred or divine and needs to be thrown out. It’s time to bring back theocracy and order to the world. We banned abortion and now time to go after the rest.
The first Amendment protects Christians as much as it does anyone else.
Same here. My home country is communist state. I did not leave a communist state for a Christian state.
LMAO
Where are you from...
Y'all need to learn what Jefferson said about Church and State
They are hypocrites saying don't force us as they force us to go along with their ways.
Big hypocrisy. They’ll say don’t force your lifestyle on me (aka they’re threatened that you’re an individual and make your own choices) and then out of that same fear and indifference seek to control you.
I'm very grateful that I've lived without any religion my entire life. I can see the lies, the need to control people. They disguise this mantle of control often very cleverly, but it all comes down to the same thing after you peel away all the distracting masks.....control.
“They don’t represent Christianity” says the Unitarian Universalist 😂
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah...they could have gone with a more mainstream Christian such as Lutherans or episcold....esposocal...piscopalia.. the Anglicans. 😋
In either case:
to those that disagree with the churches in question:
Trinitarian is not the only game in town, just like Baptists are not the only Christians (No true Scotsman fallacy).
Many pentecostals are oneness (God, Jesus, and holy spirit are manifestations of one God, just like the burning bush isn't the 4th person in the trinity). While other denominations believe God and Jesus are two separate beings (unitarian--father and son or adopted son). No one should be accusing another of not being a member of a group. In the past, there were even denominations that said Jesus was the true God and Jehovah was the devil in sheep's clothing (which they cite the deaths committed by God vs the deaths committed by the devil in the bible-spoiler: God got a much much much higher death count).
That’s how pathetic Christian Nationalism is
They picked the extreme outliers of liberal “Christianity” to oppose Wilson. Maddening
John Adams may have beent he last Christian Unitarian Universalist.
Isn’t Douglas Wilson the pastor who entered into a number of debates with the late Christopher Hitchens? These debates were later featured in a documentary called “Collision?” Collision would have appeared around 2009.
Yes, that is correct. But it is a shame that Wilson appears to have learned absolutely nothing from his time with Hitch.
@@McChickenXCheese I think you make an excellent point.
The separation of church and state is why we aren't a war torn nation similar to ones in the Middle East and Pakistan/Afghanistan etc.
Church and state needs to stay separate, i don't care what people say.
I'm still with the original founding fathers, build up the wall between church and state with titanium.
Wouldn't Gold be cheaper? Who'd have the ❤ to destroy it?
The arrogance of the people who want this is breathtaking.
Ripley said it best: "Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
It's typical behavior for people that have been indoctrinated to defer to authority and tradition instead of thinking for themselves.
I would encourage you to watch some of Doug Wilson's videos on Christian nationalism before you jump to that conclusion.
@@aidenmarshall6478 I think Matt's statement stands - Doug Wilson is an absolute nut job so what will watching his videos tell us?
@@randomentity6553 That's like saying "Jerry And The Rise Of The Comets is the worst movie ever, why would I ever go watch it?".
You're claiming that Doug is a nut job, but have you actually watched any of his videos on Christian Nationalism, or have you read any of his articles on the topic?
Christianity deserves the same respect and protection in our constitutional law as astrology, scientology, horoscopes and fortune cookies. *There is exactly the same amount of evidence for the "truth" of christianity as for astrology, scientology, horoscopes and fortune cookies.*
Remember when churches use to preach peace and unity
cults never admit they are cults
Here is a book that I highly recommend, 'American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America' by Chris Hedges, 2007
I highly recommend that you realize that left and right are the same just on opposite ends. The fact you think that book is anything but one sided propoganda you're not only sadly mistaken but unable to think beyond your group think mentality.
There's way better works that fit our times....Andrew Seidel "The Founding Myth" or Kathrine Stewarts " The Power Worshippers." for example.
"Jesus and john Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation' by Kristin Kobes Du Mez
"Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States" by Andrew l Whitehead and Samuel L.Perry
'White Too Long" by Robert P.Jones
"Unholy: Why White Evangelicals Worship at the Altar of Doald Trump' by Sarah Posner
the issue is when a christian is faced with an opposing social issue, the answer is always "God". no arguments. Just because some human-invented supernatural entity said so...
Whenever men have tried to merge God with the state in Christianity, they've ended up losing both God, and the crown.
It's sad that people don't read history. The very clause they're seeking to repeal has been its shield against setting up a papal state as in the dark ages.
Thank you, well said!
"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
~Founding Father *Thomas Jefferson,* in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and PREFER CHRISTIANS for their rulers. National prosperity can neither be obtained nor preserved without the favor of Providence.” ~ John Jay 1816
@@virtualpilgrim8645 Exactly. In a democracy, the people choose, and they’ve chosen to keep YOU fundie nutjobs from destroying OUR democracy.
Overwhelmingly so! Just look at the stats on Roe v. Wade and how it’s mobilized the LW against you.
Is that “providence” (the same thing Hitler said, btw),
OR is it PROGRESS?
Take your time...
@@virtualpilgrim8645
Jefferson was no angel, but with this quote,he wasn't wrong
@@henrymanzano2201 Few in the past were “angels” by today’s standards. Him owning slaves or raping them to have kids with them (I assume what you’re referring to) was not only common but normalized.
We can’t keep dismissing what people in the past said based on modern morality. It’s worse than a genetic fallacy.
It’s like a “genetic fallacy with backpay” or something. Haha!
Good point, Christ did not attack non-believers or impose his teachings on others. This didn't start until formal religions wanted power.
This Topic is literally a GIANT TALKING-POINT
of Atheist-UA-camrs.
@@loturzelrestaurant Not sure what the relevance of that is.
sloper dad-The Great Commission
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”…
Matthew 28:19
@@Raineygoodyears The more you get to hardcore christians the closer they look the same as fundamental Muslims.
@@loturzelrestaurant yet from what I've seen they seem to have more of an understanding of Jesus Christ than many of those self proclaimed christian zealots, which is an ironic juxtaposition.
Taxing church profits would clear-out many of the charlatans.
Read "The Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom" which was a proposed bill by Thomas Jefferson. This puts into context what Jefferson meant when he penned the now infamous separation of church and state in his letter to the committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut. If your going to use the letter that Jefferson wrote as an explanation of the religious clause in the First Amendment of the constitution, you need to equally look at his other writings/proposed bills to understand its context.
You also need to read the book, "The Jefferson Bible", by Thomas Jefferson and you will see that Jefferson did not think Jesus was a god but a great teacher.
The Republicans sure like the Constitution when it comes to the 2nd Amendment but not the 1st Amendment.
Please cite the time stamp(s) in the video where Wilson (I assume the "Republican" you mean in this context) derides free speech.
@@PanhandleFrank I'm talking about freedom of religion.
But the GOP is against free speech too. Case in point is Ron DeSantis and the Tampa prosecutor that is elected by the people yet DeSantis "fires" him because he doesn't like what the prosecutor says.
The court case on that just started today, 9-19-2022.
@@PanhandleFrank Freedom from religion and freedom of religion. This isn't hard folks the government is to remain neutral when it comes to religion. This position also happens to be fairly close to the soft atheist position that alot of people think states that there is no God but really means prove there's a God and we'll believe but until keep quiet.
I love democracy and support all of the constitution, *including* the 2nd Amendment...
@@PanhandleFrank the first amendment is more than freedom of speech. You need to review establishment clause and free exercise clause.
Saw this coming 15 years ago.
Isn’t it marvelous!?
How 🤔❓
40 years ago. It picked up and began to organize 40 years ago. We laughed at it in Texas thinking it could never get anywhere. Not laughing now.
Edit: We'll need patience and determination to counter this, it won't be a quick fix, we'll need to be as willing to work hard for any progress at all and not get discouraged as they have been. So. Do we have the stamina to stand against becoming docile slaves.
@What? No, I'm fighting for the rights of those innocent human beings that are being slaughtered. You are fighting for the "right" of women to choose to slaughter their children. You are the oppressor, not I.
I don't assume that Christianity will always be in power. I'm not a post millenialist. But we will be fighting for it
@@kathryngeeslin9509 Yep, no one took it seriously when they started talking about how to take over on school boards, local gov, and build their way up....
But you can’t have a logical argument with people who’s entire basis of their argument is something that can not be proven.
2 kinds of people you should never trust, a preacher who tells you how to vote and a politician who tells you how to pray.
The Problem With religion is that they pick and choose their own beliefs about scripture ...making up whatever doctrines that benefit their own beliefs.
That is cuz the bible is FULL of contradictions BECAUSE it was made up by many men
the question is, what doctrine has Christ Church "made up" that is not directly from/supported by the Bible?
@@dustinvanvliet9978 That's just it...its all derived from the Bible but what separates each denomination which there's over 6000 and more being created is the fact that it's dependent on how each denomination reads and understands scripture. Then there's the difference in manuscripts...codex Vaticanus and codex sinaiticus or the ones found in Antioch Syria which are the textus receptus manuscripts which book of acts claim that where Christians were first called Christians...according to Paul aka Saul
@@quadphonics I must agree...Christians are told not to lie but Jacob lied to his father to swindle his brother esau out of his patriarchal blessings...even going as far as disguising himself as esau and fooling his elderly blind father Issac
@Dustin Van Vliet: _`The Big Book of Judeo-Christian Mythology, Fairytales & Metaphors`_ is a book of _`cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrIeS`. To rip all of the pages out & use them as toilet paper is a high honor that the _`Buy-Bull`_ is unworthy of.
So, it doesn't matter if that _`Church of Satan`_ made up everything or nothing; because, what they say that their source of inspiration is...is ssooo deeply flawed that it absolutely does not matter one way or the other!
If there is no separation of church and state, then make the churches pay taxes. No more tax exempt status.
Churches don’t pay taxes because they feed and shelter more people than world governments combined. They provide free education and medicine where it is needed most. My churches funds are used to help the community. It’s not some get rich scheme 🤦♂️ y’all think we’re all like Joel Osteen (who is a false teacher)
Make these demagogues pay taxes and you'll see how quickly they'll stay out of politics. If you don't pay taxes, you don't get representation, simple as that.
Their all powerful deity seems to really like money...
I love forcing atheists to subsidize religion. Makes me so happy that atheists are forced to pay for religious organizations like the COVID loans during the pandemic. LOL.
@@verbalkint4258 nah, I enjoy seeing atheists forced to pay for religions LOL. Hence why so many churches got loans during the pandemic. You are forced to pay for churches and you are too powerless to do anything about it lololol.
Faith is not knowledge. Period.
Most Christians don't even read the Bible. I became an atheist shortly after reading that violent bronze age mythology cover to cover. Actually reading the Bible will make most reasonable people leave the faith.
It seems to me that any church would NOT have a lot of moral authority to preach to people about what to do and NOT what to do.
it is not about God or Christianism... it is all about MONEY..... MONEY.... and MONEY
You can make that charge at many churches in the prosperity movement..... but not Christ Church Moscow. Wilson started the publishing company there, and if he produces products people want, why should he not be allowed to profit on it?
@@selfaccountable3464 It is in fact his motive. He, and his father before him, made no secret about their goal to seize power and money by buying up properties and making them tax-exempt.
@@Gaawachan Doug Wilson's father had nothing to do with Moscow, ID - he lived, and died, on the East Coast decades ago. What are you even talking about? The best way to deal with tax exemption concerns is to get rid of property taxes and income taxes all together and replace them with consumption taxes. So lets do it.....
@@selfaccountable3464 ... You do realize that I literally met Jim Wilson, who was living in Moscow, Idaho until he died THIS YEAR in May... in Moscow, Idaho. Because he lived there. Even if I hadn't met him, you can read his obituary online. You absolute clown.
But thank you for telling everyone on UA-cam that you can't be trusted to keep even the most basic facts about the Wilsons or Christ Church straight.
@@Gaawachan Unlike you, I am willing to concede when I am wrong on a FACT. Jim died in Moscow. But his family, including Doug in his childhood, did live and grow up in the East. I wonder if you have ever posted ANYTHING incorrect or wrong online ever --- does that make you a "clown" as well? Thank you, in advance, for your erudite and inclusive manner of discourse.
I went to Afghanistan to fight the Taliban…I will fight the Christian Taliban here. I see no difference between them.
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Thank you for your service. I'm assuming you're a reasonable person as a soldier. There is a distinct and important difference. When Pastor Doug talks about making Moscow Christian, it's a vision of God working to convert the hearts of the citizens of the town and those citizens running the government in accord with their own beliefs. It isn't a take-it-by-force approach at all. Imagine a town where everyone becomes Christian. Wouldn't those Christians naturally run the town in a more Christian way?
Hopefully you see the difference between that and terrorism.
@@ralphmullenax1862 Christian nationalists are not christians.
@@daydreonmckinney Jesus literally said to go and make disciples of all nations.
@@ralphmullenax1862 He never said to force religion. He said follow if you want. Who's to say who's religion is the right one to follow. Christian nationalists only think their beliefs are right and all others are wrong. We all have our own beliefs and we should have the freedom to do so.
The church has cost me and innumerable others years of trauma. It’s crazy how the church is up to the same antics everywhere.
Sucks to be you. Quit being a wimp and get over yourself.
I've said it many times. These people best hope they're wrong about the day of judgement. Because if they're right, there's going to be a lot of Matthew 7:21-23 going on that day.
Cry bozo
@@that_heretic Will non-believers be put to death on that day? And which day is that?
This isn't christian nationalism, call it what it actually is. Christofascism.
What I don’t get is all this talk about ending the separation of church and state.. as long as it’s “their church.” It’s baffling.
If Biden ending a speech with "allahu akbar", these people would foam at the mouth
Christianity is digusting. It need to be outlawed
@@brialapoint2608 All religions imo
@@brialapoint2608 F all religions..most religious people are too indoctrinated to function
Lmao @Lauren Boebert being anyone's go-to person for anything religious
Not even close to being a theologian. Just a fanatic of the Right. She wants to be rich like her higher ups in govt. She say anything and do anything to get that cultist evangelical vote. Just like Trump
@@brenlh6484 I know. Not sure if you've ever heard the term "Pick Me" Girl, but if it were in the dictionary,her picture would appear
@@henrymanzano2201 that reminds me of today SO many people taking selfies and sharing selfies. Like children needing approval that would say
" Look at me daddy,look at me"
@@brenlh6484 Yup! And she's trying to get approval and validation from Conservative White Christian guys with a tone that says, "I'm not like other girls. Other girls are dumb and lame. I'm just like you"...hence the "Pick Me"
@@riverman3915 Exactly. These people HATE people who had the values that Jesus stood for,and yet, they're the first ones telling you they're the "good guys"
Oh jeez. That’s horrible. Vote out these people that embrace this
I'm actually impressed at how well NBC did of presenting the different views
No other way to do it, really. The ideas are absurd enough that they speak on their own without necessary counterargument. Iron Age mythology and belief in invisible daddies that live in the clouds has really turned our dialectic and educated discourse on its head. Our society is being dictated to by someone who had hallucinations 2,000 years ago in the Levant.
Great trolling!!! Bot
I live in Moscow and can assure you this is a lazy, trash piece of "journalism". There's so much more to this story (from both sides).
Really? They didn't allow expression of other Christian views
That's what real journalism is all about. You won't get that with Fox.
You cannot have freedom of religion without freedom FROM religion. And that includes different Christian sects.
And speaking of Founders, let us reference the Tripoli treaty of 1796, Article 11 in part...
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"
In the US, religion has always been how you live your life, not how you force other people to live theirs.
YES! Muslims had slaves, infact Mansa Musa in the 1300s matched an army of 60,000 Africans and 12,000 slaves on his hajj to Mecca. But Muslims DO NOT enslave other Muslims. The Malian Empire was allied to the Iberian Peninsular rulers in Europe and provided both free and enslaved soldiers to its Marinid rulers, for nearly 1000 years Africans, Moors and Muslims were born in Europe for generations after generations, but where is that part of the European history today...???
I agree! No one should force you to put on a muzzle, close your church or business for a bad flu, or inject yourself with unknown substances that don't even prevent the illness we were told it would. Glad we agree on that. LOL!
I love that. “[R]religion has always been how you live your life…” Accordingly, all the sexual abominations, fetal murder, gender-confusion, etc…how you live your life…is really, actually religious. It should therefore be regulated by the religion clauses of the First Amendment.
@@Yesica1993 1. Shouldn't have to force things to close, especially Christian churches. You're supposed to love and care for your neighbor.
2. No one said it would prevent all Covid infections. It helps the body resist, and if Covid is caught, helps mitigate and shorten the symptoms.
@@curedbytheonomy The Establishment Clause keeps the institutions of the Church and State separated. And your comments are what is called a False Equivalence argument fallacy.
"just like Roe used to be" !!! Wow.
Based
Frightening. That hack wants theocratic rule.
That line sounded so sinister....
If it was up to these people, they would wind it back to pre-civil and women's rights.
Dangerous to promote anybody or anyone that uses the Bible as any kind of authority
from Jamestown to Jonestown
Religion is a personal belief, don't force your myths on others. You know that "don't tread on me flag?" Yeah, it means don't tread your religious beliefs on others. The key word is freedom.
By the way nobody forcing you to believing
Even God don’t force people and Pastor Douglas Wilson won’t force people .
Then stop forcing your Secular worldview on religious people.
@@andrewgd1858 LOL. Jim and Tammy Baker.
Where do your rights originate, Daniel?
@@Cinnamonbuns13 HOW IS ANYONE FORCING ABORTION ON YOU?? NO ONE. But YOUR religious people in power are forcing motherhood onto women! Your religion protects pedophiles. Your religion is a controlling force. No one is forcing any religion onto others except Christians forcing Christianity in American onto people
I’m saying this as an atheist. They’re talking about church and state and its separation but they don’t even understand the history behind it. The separation of church and state was distinctly in reaction to the situation in Europe which was governments being dominated by a church body i.e. the Catholic Church or the church of England. So specifically that there was a governing church organization that controlled and dictated the movement of government. In America church is not the same meaning as it was back then now church is very decentralized you have many many many different kinds of small organize churches and may be because they dominate a large number of the population bacon holds way over a group of people are on the local government sector but there is not a single church that is even big enough to dictate the movement of the federal government. Or governments cross state borders. The way they’re talking about the separation as if somehow people need to drop their philosophies at the voting floor but that’s impossible people will always have their philosophies dictate their decisions and that you just can’t do that. term scientist basically has authority
I'm saying this as a hard-core evangelical and fan of Doug Wilson. Congratulations on possessing the capacity for rational thought and thank you for not spouting off nonsense from a place of ignorance.
Exactly! Finally an honest person 👏
Yup, this whole thing was so biased against anyone remotely on the right. They couldn't find another right of center Christian pastor to interview and see what he thinks of the radical right?
I'd like to point out as well, this Anti Christian propaganda has a very dangerous precedent if you see what ended up happening to innocent Christian civilians under historic communist regimes like Stalin , Mao , Vietnam , Pol Pot , N Korea
Thank you for this. Yes, the Founders didn't want the religious wars to develop here that happened in England, where the governing officials were mandated to be of a particular sect of Christianity and pushed it on the populace. They were not in any way saying that Christian beliefs couldn't influence government, or that God wasn't a part of the founding beliefs. Indeed, the existence of God is a given in the Declaration of Independence: "...endowed by their Creator..."
If no Separation of Church & State, Time to start Paying TAXES
I've been seeing this since I moved to Florida 16 years ago...mind boggling
Nice mindset, but if that In-Group-Thinking ever gets boring, try "Some More News or if it can be realw-ild (=outside Red Vs Blue) even "Second Thought". Criticism for Both Partys and Coverage of Issues that all Rich-Dudes inore may get oovered there.
never said anything about islamic nationalism in the bay area though did you
@@gaseoussnake6454 Nobody ever complains about Little Italy's or China towns or even Little Russia in new York. Muslims should be able to have a space too, just because you don't like their religion is no reason to hate on them having a space and not others.
@@tabbyreed8925 that's exactly my point dear, christians should be afforded the same respect good white liberals allege to espouse, but who do so in bad faith.
for what its worth i don't hate any religion but muslims do have a strong in group bias against people like me who are repulsed by the idea of submission. there are imams in the bay area who openly preach the implementation of hardcore sharia law as exists in iran
If they try to make this a Christian nation and don’t want to keep church and state separate, there will be a LOT of angry people protesting. We have freedom of religion in the constitution.
You mean like most bible belt states? The church runs the government. Just look at Alabama, Texas and Florida.
This is one of the reasons why I dislike religion.
It is a breeding ground for fanaticism, and that NEVER ends well.
The founding fathers were not even Christian - they were deist.
Barry Goldwater (republican) said in the 60's, " the biggest threat to our form of government is religion in politics". He is being proven right by these holy rollers who obviously have never read anything about what Jesus said.
He was wrong. The biggest threat to American democracy is the American Republican Fascist party of which ‘Christian’ Right, Theocratic Fascists are loyal supporters. The Theocratic Fascists of the American Republican Fascist party have already forced their way into the Supreme Court, overturning the American Constitution and our Bill of Rights, state enforced misogyny, crimes against humanity. Do we want to live under an American Version of Sharia Law, enforced by a police state? Fascism is organized crime!
Nuclear weapons is the biggest threat to humanity in our present form of government in the service of Oligarchies in your country. Better wake up dude! But I am happy to hear some like yourself are inching toward critical thinking and not sinking into the quagmire of fascism.
John 11:45-57
"All authority on Heaven and on Earth HAS BEEN given to me."
@@mikezeke7041 Fido 11:46-58
A person going to a bigoted church calls out people for being bigots. WOW.
Antidisestablishmentarianism isn't just an obscure word in the dictionary any more.
That’s right, to be absolutely free in a free country full of immigrants like my ancestors and possibly yours also, WE THE PEOPLE MUST KEEP SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE! It’s a must !!!!
Could there be a connection with this and the other thing that brought Moscow to our attention in Nov.'22?
What happened?
@@psychosalad6653 There was a multiple gruesome murder, but now they have a suspect who seems to be a different kind of crazy, and therefore, no connection.
THE CHURCH NEEDS TO START PAYING TAXES !!!!!
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This is more common than one would think.
The one thing that came home to me is how alike, how very much alike, this interview, listening to this pastor, was so similar to the church in Ohio I stopped attending. Same mind set, same language, same unableness to see the different side. For these people's there is no different side only the one side, their side. It is very dangerous!
As a person who is currently very bored, I am trying to think of how to write a summary of this video for school, even though it's the summer (we have to do a summer project 😡)
You can’t just cherry-pick the Bill of Rights…
You might as well throw it into the fire and start over.
Pro tip: No don’t do that.
Why not? These people “cherry pick” the Bible. They don’t see the flawed thinking.
Name the parts of the Bible that Christ Chirch "cherry picks" and the parts it suppoedly ignores. Give specific citations, by which I mean chapter and verse, and then offer concrete examples in the teaching and conduct of Christ Church's leadership and members.
Failing that, you'll retract your accusation as uninformed defamation (unless you've got no shame and no moral core, of course).
@@OhioCoastie94 I will not “retract” my statement, nor will I recite your book. You believe what you want to believe. I do not believe in it. Foundation of United States of America. Religious freedom.
@@OhioCoastie94 the bible is just a poorly written peice of literature.
There can be no separation between religion and state just like there is no separation between religion and education. The only question is which religion will inform the State and which religion will be taught at the schools. Remember what John states: anyone who denies that Christ came in the flesh is the antichrist.
This is we’re the rubber meets the road, no one really wants to follow the Bible only the most fuzzy and warmest parts that really tickle their ears.
Walking with tilking in their ears. They know not what they worship. Using God as a baseball bat. Or an umpire. Or Santa Clause. Using Christianity to meet Our needs instead of doing God's will. What's in it for me? Serving self rater than serving God.
The Bible is based on authoritarianism we don't need that anymore
And witch hunts
Precisely right. That's why the work that Pastor Wilson is doing is so important. Christianity cannot have any of the historically positive effects it has had on US culture if it is not taught and implemented properly.
@@prodigalone1681 Of course we seek God, and the best way of doing that is reading his book.
Any mention of People of Other Religions..Jewish..Muslim..& Native Americans..!!...We are a Diverse Nation ..Freedom of Religion .!!
Dear MSNBC, Please do a show on the American Redoubt. That's also a terrifying group in the US.
100% terrifying AF
I truly want them exposed, I second your thought 🤔
Expose all the fascists!!
#Prodemocracy #humamrightsforallhumans
They should also cover the Council For National Policy. Basically the Christian nationalist Bilderberg Group. Pretty much all Christian nationalists and Christian nationalist groups in the US are tied back to them; pretty much every prominent Christian nationalist you can think of is affiliated with them, as well as media and fossil fuel moguls, anti-abortion groups, the NRA, and other influential members of the right wing community. They hold a secret meeting either every year or twice a year(don’t remember which) that you have to be invited to and that no recording or note keeping of any kind is allowed at, and the members aren’t even supposed to refer to the group by name. They’re essentially the Christian Illuminati and they need to be exposed.
"....and women should not wear pants" As the camera pans to a bunch of women wearing pants.
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@Michael Moran: Was what you saw in that moment something from before or after they left this FAKE Christian church of blasphemy, which they go into some detail about in this video?
@@MorpheusOne What is your question?
@Michael Moran: Was what you saw in that moment, those women wearing pants, something that happened before or after the couple, in this video, took their leave of this _`Temple of Doom`?_
@@MorpheusOne
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The footage was of a ‘psalm sing’ held by Wilson’s church - it was not of that couple before or after.
We should have taken more inspiration from French secularism than we have from our own. The rise of Christian nationalism is completely because we have been too loose with the separation of church and state. Yet somehow we are surprised that those people that are against abortions and lgbt people would and have politically coordinated along religious lines for years and are succeeding?
The story highlighting the divide with Christian Nationalists and average Americans is being done in Moscow Idaho a month before those students were murdered. I just find it rather creepy.
Though the town, despite the radical Nationalist preacher trying to take over, seems like a pretty and nice place. Charming.
As for the rise of Christian Nationalism, I've been an teen and adult since the rise of the Moral Majority and the assorted Christian radical right groups up to this one. All have had dreams of taking over the country and forcing their extremist and paternalistic beliefs on all of the country. Have their version of Sharia Law american style.
After 40 years of this stuff I am really sick and tired of the radical right and their dreams of conquer and total power and control.
You're right! It's pathetic...
"I don't see them representing the values that I find in the Bible. I see them representing patriarchy. I see them fighting a culture war."
Uh. "Reverend." That's in your Bible, unless you physically removed those pages.
Yeah, people want the Bible to adapt with the times but that's not how books work. It further proves that God isn't all knowing if he didn't see the harm in mandating a patriarchy. And if he's not all knowing then maybe it's all a fairy tale.
@@nicholase2868 The Problem isn't a Mythical Patriarchy, it's people acting badly no matter what government they are under.
@@nicholase2868 have you seen the crime rates for those raised in a single family household
@@yousefsalib7609 Have you ever seen the crime rates in Christian Super majority countries with Atheist Supermajority countries....i wont even bring up the Islamic Theocracies since they still reside 1000 years in the past....
@@Raydensheraj yeah the Christian countries with both parents in the home are doing betrer
My contempt for religion, Christian fundamentalism in particular, has steadily grown over the years. Engagement was followed by withdrawal. That was succeeded by a bare tolerance (the live and let live variety), which was followed by a alarm, which gave way to contempt. The successor to all that is anger. These people have invented God in their own image, they have demonstrated bigotry, intolerance, greed, infidelity, sexual abuse, racism and misogyny. They are not just anti science but anti knowledge. And now they seek to put us all in moral straitjackets of their entirely hypocritical design. These people are not our friends, our pastoral carers. They are our enemies.
New book articulates the gaping flaws in the Bible's New Testament. Its title: 'Candy Coated Jesus' ....avail online.
You are wrong. Doug Wilson is man of God and he is hated by liberals because he tells straight biblical truth with boldness. You should repent for your sin and turn to Christ as your Savior, who is the risen King!
@@markusw.2690 You want to have 'a risen king' or an 'all compassionate God' or hang on to a Santa Claus belief, that's your choice. Unfortunately, fixation on God-myths and Jesus being a perfect non-human has caused immense pain and suffering to other humans - for over 2,000 years. That's the only reason I'm anti-religion. If you nutcases weren't harming people in droves, then I don't mind you sucking in any silly fluff you want to believe, and that's fine. How well do you know the Bible? 2 brief multiple choice quizzes at: adventure1.com/jesusquiz.pdf
You might appreciate this,
“Nothing has been left undone by the enemies of freedom. Every art and artifice, every cruelty and outrage has been practiced and perpetrated to destroy the rights of man. In this great struggle every crime has been rewarded and every virtue has been punished. Reading, writing, thinking and investigating have all been crimes.
Every science has been an outcast.
All the altars and all the thrones united to arrest the forward march of the human race. The king said that mankind must not work for themselves. The priest said that mankind must not think for themselves. One forged chains for the hands, the other for the soul.”
~Col. Robert G. Ingersoll, The Liberty Of Man, Woman And Child, 1895
Yes , sir
I don't think churches should become real estate investors. How long before they own the entire town of Troy?
This is the very definition of "echo chamber". Five people sitting around agreeing about a straw man argument.
By appeasing and enabling these people Trump has done more damage to Christianity than Satan ever could.
Trump is the Anti-Christ !
How any person can think that and like that stupidity is mind boggling
Western civilization itself was based on the ten commandments , and the pilgrims came here purely so they could be free of secular and pagan oppression.
Maybe Trump is Satan.
Theocracy is really just a religious form of communism.
What I hear in this Report is that Religion is Personal.
In Government there is no room for Personal Belief’s and that is why they should never be mixed. In fact we should remove in God we Trust as it was added in the 1956 not 1787.
Yes, Terri, what we need are bureaucrats who have no beliefs at all and who unquestioningly carry out all government orders, never restraining themselves due to their own beliefs. Sounds fantastic. What could possibly go wrong?
If you open government up to religion, then it has to be open to all religions. Do you want police who are Christians and then attack people for not being Christian? Or Detroit has a huge Muslim population. What if they create a police force that enforces Sharia laws?
Jefferson, who was not a christian (almost all of the founding fathers believed in a god but not Jesus), got it right that the two should be separated. You are free to believe what you want, but you can't make the government to enforce those beliefs on others. This rule has worked well for 200 years.
@@rabbit251 Government is open to all religions. If Christians vote their conscious, that's fine. If they proselytize, that's fine. If their representatives do the will of their Christian constituents, within the confines of the constitution, then all is well and that's democracy at work.
@Neil Deep Organizations that were created explicitly to mock or criticize other religions and admit to not believing in any concept of divinity should not be allowed to operate under the guise of religion for legal purposes. The fact that you would revel in subversion like that is quite telling.
@Neil Deep Not enough people ascribe to those beliefs.
These people are insane
"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." George Washington Treaty of Tripoli 1796 signed and ratified by John Adams 1797
Not on religion but founded in Christian values.
I believe in Jesus, however, I firmly believe the church has NO business trying to direct civil government! The church is here for matters of spirit or religion--NOT corporeal government.
Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven this means Christian has to direct this earth every area with God’s law . Because God’s law are including all subjects how we live in this life . Christians are need to Dominion in this earth . This idea is not cult but from reformers
Jesus wanted people to get away from religion and go to Him. Religion is man-made. The truth is of God.
@@andrewgd1858 If a flawless, perfect, and omnipresent God already owns every atom in the universe, regardless of what anyone thinks, why do flawed and imperfect human beings who believe in him have to try and enforce that through manmade legislation?
There's really no point in doing that.
@@andrewgd1858 Your religion is about how you live your life. Not how you force everyone else to live theirs.
@@andrewgd1858 More Hebrew MYTH gibberish.....IF your god so almighty why don't he come down and say so?????....hint cause "He" IS NOT REAL.....LMAO.......PELLICLE.
If MTG represents Christianity, thank you, but I've had my fill.
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What's MTG?
@@catchy_tuneMTG is what you get way up in the hills of North Georgia when Jim Bob makes a pig squeal.
@@catchy_tune Margarine Traitor Greed= demon
@@catchy_tune A horse-faced mutant that produces an irritable noise that sounds like far-right terrorist talking points when someone triggers her.
Looks pretty much like the Taliban. Even when fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are at war each other, they share many theocratic values. The South is increasingly becoming the Christian Iran or Afghanistan because of them!
Wow! A national news crew visiting the Pullman-Moscow community! I am surprised that NBC even knows about the Palouse! I used to live in the Pullman and Moscow area several years ago! Both small college towns make a quiet friendly community!
Unfortunately, some people used an insignificant fairy tale imaginary god for their psychotic obsession!
Christians are famous for being ignorant so your surprise is expected.
Friendly bigots..
OHHHH! we’re just NOW waking up to this? I have been watching my family for 40 years working towards this.
Barry Goldwater (a Republican to boot) called it out in the 60s already. There's a famous quote of his where he warns of preachers taking over the Republican Party, and how they will refuse to compromise because they believe they are enforcing God's will.
Mine too - I always said if they got political control, we'd be stoning adulterers within 20 years. Looks like it will come a bit sooner....
Oh, but it's catching on outside of your family now, thank God.
@@Klako-ls6yt do you see any other ideologies that might guide people away from compromising with an equal amount of pathological certainty, which are far more pervasive
@@oudguitar yeah MAGA, go cry in the corner ya traitor.
Freedom of religion requires freedom from religion!