Awful Things We Believed at My Evangelical University
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- I graduated from an evangelical university. We believed total nonsense.
Before my deconstruction of Christianity, I attended an evangelical university. Personally, I had a decent experience, probably due to my demographic and then-fundamentalism. In hindsight, though, I see that many of our common beliefs were not only ridiculous, but dangerous. We thought God could give us the ability to control (AKA completely repress) our sexual needs, that education could threaten our faith if we weren’t careful, and that Jesus can make gay people straight.
These ideas permeate the cultures of other Christian universities too. Whether it’s Liberty U, Biola, Houston Baptist University, or any other of the sort, these ideas thrive. If only these colleges could see that evangelists like Christopher Yuan are not more reliable sources than actual scientific data.
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Smash that like button if Jesus saved you from THE BIG GAY
All of those bad people trying to just live their lives. Just horrible
This is sarcasm, just wanted to clarify
i'll start with liking this comment
A 30 year old guy, who never got married, and always went around with 12 men...
@The Seeker I would rather not get executed, thanks.
@The Seeker yikes
I once dated a girl who said, "logic is from the devil." I was speechless for days.
I don’t know how to respond.. wtf 💀💀💀
@@hybridcatbird run away......fast.
That's brilliant. You can get away with anything then.
"You promised you'd be home by nine, but you stumbled in drunk at 4 in the morning!"
"Logic is from the devil, honey"
ok... Wow, If id were you I would never talk to her again and just stop dating her. Then go to a therapist and figure stuff out.
She sounds......stupid.
"you are not worthy of love but i love anyways" aka "im the only one that could love you" is probably the clearest sign of an abusive relationship
For real, makes you just wanna tell Christians 'You can do better, girl/man, He's just a narcissistic bully who's manipulating you! You aren't a bad person, He is!'
These people should really see The hunchback of notre dame
@Person 1 how do you mean? People fear God because He can be can be irrationally vindictive at times. Give me one good reason for cutting babies out of pregnant mothers before stabbing their tiny bodies, or flooding the entire earth because He created toys who were defective in His eyes. Assuming the Bible is true, is He worthy of worship?
Oh fu k, my parents did that shit
@Person 1 ''science still doesn't have an explanation for consciousness" explain please.
"Religion is like a blind man looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it." - Oscar Wilde
Dave Allen and Christopher hitchens cracked this joke as well.
Good quote-
@Rusty Howe Yess, I know that one 😂
Based tbh
another reason to love oscar wilde
A big difference I find between religion and science is how they treat questions. In faith, questioning the religion is the worst thing you can do, while in science, questioning everything is the very basis of everything we know.
And science corrects itself with their intial wrong findings too.. It is ever changing and not proclaiming to be the absolute truth that you cannot question
@@yachishairclips2250 Science in general does that, individual scientists.... it varies. Some are worse than priests, others would question everything they do.
As for religion, it provides one thing: emotional support in times of tragedy. I've heard stories of many people who have lost everything and contemplated ending it all. Religion was their escape from the cycle of depression, since it provided something greater than themselves which would not end or abandon them like humans would. It was an anchor they could use to redefine themselves and rebuild their lives from.
This may be off topic...but it is still relevant to you...Can I ask you something? Can a people become a nation again after having been dispersed in different parts of the world for more than two thousand years? And in the countries where they were exiled, they were the minority and were heavily persecuted. They were not allowed to secure jobs and were often expelled from their lands..
And throughout the ages, kings, queens, political and religious leaders tried to annihilate them...do you think they could survive as a people? Could they become a nation again and become a powerful force in the region shortly after they reestablish themselves in the land of their forefathers in the face of much opposition from neighboring countries, considering they are a small country, as small as New Jersey with the land mostly dessert, surrounded by enemies who wanted to annhilate them and with hardly any natural resources that even Mark Twain in his diary said that even a cactus was having a hard time to grow in this arid, bone dry and dessicated land ? What do you think?
@@skiplet87 I have seen Jesus in a vision while I am fully awake. I was not into any drugs or was I drunk.I have no vices whatsoever.Living a clean healthy lifestyle. And I am not the only one..many former atheists had experienced the spiritual realm as well..they were atheists when they had such an experience..which makes them credible witness to the fact that there is God and that heaven and hell are real. What about you? What proof do you have to prove with 100% certainty that there is no God? that there is no afterlife?
@@skiplet87 I believe in God not only because I believe in His existence but also because I experienced seeing Jesus on top of a hill in an open vision while awake. I saw Him with a woman who was also clad in a white garment ..that woman died a day or less than two days after [there is a time gap between me and that woman as we live in different countries when I had such vision]I could not have predicted her death had I not seen her looking at Jesus face to face..I saw Jesus' back side btw. I am not the only one.There are atheists as well who had such spiritual experience..making them credible witnesses of the after life.
I literally decided to go to my Christian university hoping they could help me stop having feelings for my friend. That friend is now my girlfriend and I am so relieved I’m graduating this semester. Channels like this have helped me to re-examine my life and beliefs and I am so much happier as a result. 💖💜💙
Yay
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Congratulations.
Congrats
Congrats
"Education can weaken our faith"
And Sexual education can reduce unwanted pregnancies
Seeing the similarities yet? lol
@Tyler B #2 Are you studying biology? Things like the endosymbiosis of mitochondria/chloroplasts, spontaneous micelle formation, self-replicating ribozymes, etc. cast doubt on intelligent design by highlighting feasible methods of incremental non-guided development.
@Tyler B #2 Agreeing with what the other person said, there is also all the parts of our bodies that don’t work well. Such as 80% of adults experiencing back pain at some point, if we were designed so well why does that happen? Or how we have exponentially more dangerous births than most other mammals?
@Tyler B #2 It's funny, because we CAN do that. We have literally designed ribozymes to prove that self-replicating ones are feasible, AND we've shown that ribozymes can originate spontaneously from natural conditions.
@Tyler B #2 Also, genetic modification exists! There's stuff like golden rice designed to alleviate vitamin A deficiency in areas where rice is grown, mice modified to have less muscle decay/stronger muscle fibers, even mice modified to live 400%-500% longer by modifying their mTORc1 and mTORc2 pathways.
@Tyler B #2 Ribozymes are RNA-based enzymes. Nucleotides, and nucleic acids, can be generated given the right set of initial conditions which were very common on the early Earth; namely, chemical vents provide a source of heat energy and a lot of raw chemicals to work with, meaning they'd essentially combine via trial and error until something self-replicating sticks. It's like how if you introduce a new species into an area where it has no natural predators, it'll replicate out of control.
When I said we made better artificial ribozymes, I meant that we made more efficient self-replicating ones, whereas creating them via spontaneous generation as I described before yields simple ribozymes or ones that don't replicate efficiently.
There are a lot of inefficiencies in proteins/enzymes, actually! Some of them can be exploited if they're useful (see: antiviral medications), while others can be patched out if they're not (see: making more efficient enzymes that create a certain product, to be inserted into something like yeast and harvested).
"Education can weaken your faith"
Well it's not false.
Education saved me from my "faith."
Getting education and information from reliable sources about the different untrue things my church taught me as a child/teenager saved me from believing nonsense and giving my life to something completely baseless in reality. I left the faith and fortunately did not attend a Christian university like so many of my peers did. I am now in a secular university exploring all the things I was taught were "evil" when I was growing up. And looking at the level of education and really weird restrictions put on the students at these Christian universities, I can gladly say I made the right choice.
Meh Education just pushed me towards witchcraft LOL
Thats probably a sign that faith isn't a reliable resource
There are many Jewish people who are highly educated in both secular topics (math, science, etc) and religious topics (Jewish law, Jewish philosophy, the Bible with commentary from medieval era Jewish sages).
Education is a central part of Jewish culture and history, it doesn't necessarily make people less religious. With the ultra orthodox being an exception, some avoid getting a secular education.
@@PixelKnight93 Then you got the wrong education lmao
On the topic of sexual repression - I’m a lesbian who went to a single sex religious school, and let me tell you I went through so much repression and guilt for having sexual urges, especially towards women. There was very much a culture of ‘dont talk about sex’ at my school from my memory.
@ellyisjelly
The irony I'm experiencing right now makes me want to scream.
I am going to reveal to you 3 things that are about to happen, so when they happen..you know that God exist. These prophecies are written in the Bible. First the disappearance of many people [true believers] worldwide.
Governments will attribute such disappearance to an alien abduction..it is not..do not be deceived..it was the rapture that took place where Jesus will save believers from the catastrophe that will come into the world. Iran, Turkey , Russia will attack Israel...the U.S will not help them. Israel will be on its own but not for long because God will intervene.
You will be ruled by the anti christ. All countries will live as one nation ruled by the anti christ. There will be no buying nor selling for those whose faith is in Christ, for those who will refuse to worship the anti christ. When these happens..receive Christ as your Messiah..you can still be saved but you may have to sacrifice your life for the faith during the time of the anti christ..but stay strong in the Lord.
@@mikeygarcia8271 lol this is literally an atheist video my dude, the majority of people here don’t believe in a god
But can you not grasp that homosexuality has n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with *Sex* ( reproduction).. You cannot be s-e-x-u-a-l-l-y attracted to another woman, and even if you were it would and could have nothing to do with reproduction; sex is not anything-to-=do-with the genitals - or masturbation would be sex and it isn't.
@@vhawk1951kl well, I am very much still attracted to women despite your claims. Sex is not always about reproduction. Homosexual activity occurs in other animal species as well and attraction the same sex is common and not a choice!
Imagine being in a math class and starting the class with prayer. I guess they say something from the Book of Numbers.
That's numberwang
@@thechurchofsupersampling This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting.
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
If you want a Crash-Course and some Starting-Help,
tell me.
Five minutes out of the Book of Numbers will put an insomniac to sleep. All those begats.
Lol I go to a Christian school and we literally do that. Granted it isn’t fundamentalist and we definitely teach evolution but still
Prayer might have helped in calc II. some integrals feel like 40 years in the desert
My female cousin was expelled from an evangelical university because she had a girlfriend. She is bi and is still with the same partner over 10 years later.
sounds like it was worth it
@@void3381 agreed
@Jedimaster420 no. She is bi. Plain and simple. She always has been. There was no pain or trauma. If she were not actually bi it wouldn't have been worth all the pain from being disowned by most of my family. it wouldn't be worth the estrangement from everyone in the family, expulsion from school, job and housing discrimination, and so much more. None of that would be worth it if she were not truly in love with her partner of over 10 years.
Evangelical universities are not rxcellent. They teach hate, prejudice,bigotry, sexism, homophobia, anti intellectualism & many other horrible things.
@Jedimaster420 you sound like an extremely annoying person in real life
i am way older than you but I have to thank you for this video. When I was a young man I attended an evangelical bible college in Los Angeles. While there I had a mental break down and confessed to my dean of students, that I had same sex attractions. I was prayed for, tongues were spoken, and I was told that I was cured. After the prayer I was told even though I was cured I would probably never have heterosexaul relationships. Well needless to say, those were true words since in fact I was not cured. I went through years of self denial and not until my mid twentys was I able to accept myself. It was even more years before I could recognize how utterly foolish all religions are. I wish I could have seen this video as a young adult. Thanks so much, I hope this helps some young people understand that you are who you are.
💟 must have been really hard. Glad to hear you found a way to accept yourself.
Cant cure, what isnt sick. Thats what these zealots need to learn.
i hate all religions except buddhism , and for a reason.
If religions were taught later in life, when people are already grown up, i would have nothing against it.
If a person decide to throw logic out of the window and believe in fairy tails, its his/her choice.
But since they know people are not stupid , they keep brainwashing children from 2000+ years , that should be unforgivable, but for some reason is widely accepted..
@@WastedTalent83 I'm curious to know why you are ok with buddhism? I do agree with what the other things you said.
I'm sorry that happened to you and I'm glad you are in a better place. I live near Cal Baptist in Riverside. Thanks for sharing your story. Makes me think of what must be going on even today. Me and you are both older guys and I can indenify with what you said about where were these videos when I was a young adult.
If education can weaken a faith, the faith is wrong.
> goes to a *university*
> the university: "Education can weaken our faith!"
> 👄
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Having faith in yourself : ,↪️ 👁️👄👁️
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No, more like: 👁️ 👁️ 👁️
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**Third eye opens**
Lol XD
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*WAIT STOP GO BACK*
It's embarrassing that we still have whole colleges devoted to promoting cognitive dissonance.
Unfortunately, colleges promoting cognitive dissonance of a different variety are becoming increasingly common.
@@vedritmathias9193 What do you mean?
That is what liberal institutions churn out. Mindless, useful idiots by the millions 🙄.... You are not an individual; you are identify politics.
Most do. They teach to accept and rationalize authority instead of thinking critically and questioning the world.
U used the term cognitive dissonance incorrectly good sir
As an ex Muslim, I know how being heavily indoctrinated with BS feels like lol
Please stay safe, I hope that death cult doesn't harm you.
@@aikou2886 fortunately I don't live in a Muslim country and I've only told a few people I trust so I'll be fine but thanks for the comment :)
@@asadmalik2464 Make sure to vote to keep your country secular.
@@nunyabiznes33 I just hope all the Muslim countries become secular, doesn't seem like it's happening any time soon tho :(
@Asad Malik Sad, but true. 😔 smh
I literally came inches away from suicide 7 years ago because of severe internalized homophobia thanks to religious education. Was standing on a chair with a noose around my neck, all I had to do was kick the chair away, but I didn't. I'm so lucky I managed to escape those toxic, self-loathing beliefs and find peace with who I am. I still have a lot of emotional scars though due to the fact that all those supposedly holy people who were supposed to help, protect and nurture me in my childhood instead harmed me and taught me to hate myself. I ended up severely emotionally stunned, I'm turning 30 soon and I feel like I have the emotional maturity most straight people have by 20 due to being so delayed in exploring love and relationships. I was 27 before I even had my first kiss or went on a date, during the last 2-3 years I've been having to learn all the things most people do in high school.
How are you now? Are you coping ok? You can see a therapist or even a sex therapist. I think it will help you with your self-hatred and gain confidence in your sexuality.
I feel this so much.
I’m so glad you chose life
I'm so sorry!
❤❤❤
They're teaching their students how to actively engage in doublethink. I find it horrifying.
Nice Orwel reference.
@@learningisfun2108 yeah, whilst 1984 was primarily a political book, it does seem to have interesting parallels to religion, which is noteworthy to say the least...
@@learningisfun2108 This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting.
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
Aaaactually, i even promote just overall
using the Flag-Button more,
as literally not enough people do it, tbh.
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
If you want a Crash-Course and some Starting-Help,
tell me.
"Sexual purity" has got to be the weirdest concept ever created
And it has been considered weird for decades, at least among many mainline Christians. There's a whole chapter (one of the last chapters, I think, thrown in almost as an afterthought) of C.S. "Narnia" Lewis's "Mere Christianity" where he basically says "ok guys sexual sin is a thing but it's literally the least important kind, please chill out about this and focus on the big picture." And he wrote it like 70 years ago.
But sadly us folks in the mainline gang just don't draw the big crowds anymore. No matter how many sprinkles we put on the donuts.
Francisco Actually, its not.
We have a lot of Perversion these days.
@@texasyojimbo Unplanned pregnancy with adoptions, abortions, and STD's, and emotional trauma from failed relationships were always great incentives to be sexually pure. Are those factors now history?
@@slevinchannel7589 From everything I've read perversions are very ancient problems. Do we accept it as a matter of relativity so we are no longer bothered by it? To bring in the New Age of love and unity under the banner of inclusive?
@@debrapaulino918 P-erversion definetly exists.
S--ual Perversion exists; and its just one (arguably the most well known) part of it.
But everything an be perversion: A P§do that acts like Santa Claus is a Perversion of the idea of Santa Claus.
And a Teacher that hits his Kids is a Perversion of the Teaching-Job.
Get what i mean?
But even regardless of all that, i just have one word to say, so you can maybe figure out that perversion definetly exists.
Just one word:
Ince$t.
I went to a catholic university and they were totally chill with me being trans. The entire faculty was really accepting and understanding of my experience. Even the monks. In fact, the monks liked talking to me and asking questions about my lived experience. They were genuinely interested in learning about how people like me had to live and progress in our lives. I'm glad they weren't evangelicals, because they do not sound like they were genuinely interested in learning anything.
Evangelicals are absolutely horrible. They did a wich hunt in my hometown ( #wm3 ) and they won't get vaccinated or wear masks, endangering the rest of community.
Yes. My old catholic teacher was chill about talking about those kinda of stuff too
That's also part of why I'm so okay with being "scientific" and religious at the same time. The religious authorities I encountered in my life (mixed catholic/protestant region in Bavaria) were mostly wise and understanding individuals that would have been very sceptical, if someone came up with a simple explanation for any complex societal or personal problem, such behaviour was even discouraged and frowned upon in my religion class by most teachers (it's compulsory where I live, but consists of one half Philosophy and one half Theology and was one of the most precious and fun experiences in my life so far). Everytime I see Evangelical Fundamentalists talk about their ideal of "Christianity", it seems for me like I'm thrown back into Kindergarten level of explanation and devotion. It's funny for me because of it being so primitive and non-convincing for any sophisticated adult, but at the same time I feel sorry for everyone who had to go through this up until being an *adult* . This just sounds so sad and unsatisfactory.. also because of the stark contrast to those beautiful things I experienced to be belief and self-exploration :/
Catholics are pretty chill, in my experience. They're not as aggressive and judgmental like evangelicals.
@@hopek7033 you are as brainwashed as them.
The "you are not worthy of love but I still love you" hit hard. Growing up in a extremely Christian house and liking women this tore me down, to this day I have issues with accepting love from others, mostly my family because I always feel like a don't deserve it, constant feelings of guilt and unworthiness shallow me whole everyday. The fact that christians fail to see how they are harming others with their "but God will always love you" hurts my soul, something as love from a "heavenly fatherly figure" has become haunting to me.
This may be off topic...but it is still relevant to you...Can I ask you something? Can a people become a nation again after having been dispersed in different parts of the world for more than two thousand years? And in the countries where they were exiled, they were the minority and were heavily persecuted. They were not allowed to secure jobs and were often expelled from their lands..
And throughout the ages, kings, queens, political and religious leaders tried to annihilate them...do you think they could survive as a people? Could they become a nation again and become a powerful force in the region shortly after they reestablish themselves in the land of their forefathers in the face of much opposition from neighboring countries, considering they are a small country, as small as New Jersey with the land mostly dessert, surrounded by enemies who wanted to annhilate them and with hardly any natural resources that even Mark Twain in his diary said that even a cactus was having a hard time to grow in this arid, bone dry and dessicated land ? What do you think?
Let me reveal to you 3 things that are about to happen, so when they happen..you know that God exist. These prophecies are written in the Bible. First the disappearance of many people [true believers] worldwide.
Governments will attribute such disappearance to an alien abduction..it is not..do not be deceived..it was the rapture that took place where Jesus will save believers from the catastrophe that will come into the world. Iran, Turkey , Russia will attack Israel...the U.S will not help them. Israel will be on its own but not for long because God will intervene.
You will be ruled by the anti christ. All countries will live as one nation ruled by the anti christ. There will be no buying nor selling for those whose faith is in Christ, for those who will refuse to worship the anti christ. When these happens..receive Christ as your Messiah..you can still be saved but you may have to sacrifice your life for the faith during the time of the anti christ..but stay strong in the Lord.
@@mikeygarcia8271 I believe in God, that is not the point. It's that since I was very young I was told I wasn't worthy of love. If people like you took a fucking second to listen to other people and understand religious trauma, we wouldn't be here and people wouldn't be running away from God, but you only care about being right
@@mikeygarcia8271 , let me reveal to you... I can definitely see evil. And your religious beliefs are evil (and can't have anything to do with a "righteous" god).
@@mikeygarcia8271I recommend you look up Occam’s razor. If your explanation for those event presupposes the existence of a transcendental, objectively unobservable and intelligent power with little to no consideration of explanations that may presuppose far less, you might not have the right explanation.
"you're not in an environment that prioritizes education, you're in an environment that prioritizes that maintenance of specific beliefs." THIS
r/foundthereddituser
@Tyler B #2 ... except that modern biologists have not only demonstrated how it happened but have actually replicated the process. Unlike organic life, computer code doesn't change as a result of what system it's in.
Side note: most of this audience is familiar with the concept of false equivalence, so I'm afraid attempting to use it here won't work very well.
@Tyler B #2 As I said, they demonstrated exactly how non-intelligent processes can do it. I, myself, am not a biologist, so you'll need to look up the precise details.
@Tyler B #2 I personally do not, but people with more knowledge and education on the subject do. I'm afraid the apologist trick of "you don't know everything so you can't know anything" won't work either, sorry
@@suziwolf4830 he didn't reply I wonder why 🤣
This pattern is also consistent with my experience at another private, Christian university. It’s not just evangelicals.
MEnsign I think it’s fairly consistent throughout Christianity in general, despite all the comments I’ll probably get telling me
“Not in MY church. WE don’t do that.”
New Saint Andrew's?
@@susanmaggiora4800 Christianity is just a dogmatic religion. In fact in a lot of the churches that I was forced to be affiliated with as a kid they seem to have a very like mindset there.
@@PixelKnight93 im an atheist but its not just them but many educational institutions pushing out their own breed of dogma.
It's probably what already happened for centuries in catholic institutions next to physical abuse
To which I simply respond: gay away the pray.
🤗🤗🤗🤗
What we are dealing with is not Christian principals instead it’s a cult and like all cults and extremest groups in history one of the things they focus on is hunting down heretics because it’s a way to enforce group think.
@@polardiscoball "What we are dealing with is not Christian principals instead it’s a cult"
So we're not dealing with food, we're dealing with edible matter that provides nutrition to animals when consumed.
Most people just call that food. Religions are all cults. They just happen to be puffed-up self-important cults that erroneously think they have some legitimacy.
this
@@RobotNinjaDestroyer okay do would you like me to save you a seat.
I've often wondered how a biological need can be considered a sin. It's like God saying that it's a sin to..pee.
My theory is that rulers saw that people were dying of stds, then wrote that sex outside of marriage is a sin to keep deaths under control. You can't exactly keep people from having sex, but what you can do is make it a taboo subject and make it frowned upon. This explains other rules as well.
You shall not pee!
There’s a comedian who was a former member of Mother Teresa’s order of nuns. She said that in the order, they were told to hold their pee because peeing as soon as you felt the need was overly indulgent or something. In her standup set the woman said she got in trouble for responding to that order with “okay, just call me Sister Urinary Tract Infection!”
@@ericsuarez368 That is an interesting idea, never thought about that.
Who enjoys peeing?
Wow. That narrative, "You are sinful and unworthy, but God still loves you." Take away the religious context and you're left with emotional manipulation and abuse... this is not okay!!
Change god with someone's name and see anti hate groups loose their shit
It’s actually the first part of that equation that upsets me. I see so much of the “ we are not worthy. We are wretched “ nonsense it makes me angry. No, you Fucking aren’t wretched! Pull your head out of your arse!
People like this also believe pride is a sin, lust is a sin, envy is a sin. In fact everything they do that might have a bit of pleasure in it is frowned upon.
And yet......
God loves us.
Oh no he Fucking doesn’t.
@@stevieh9860 They still do all that stuff btw, they love to preach but they don't always follow
This is literally what the Bible teaches
Since there is ZERO evidence for your ''God'', how can you say and know, that a non-existent entity ''loves you''? You are making no sense!
"Closeness to god is necessary to maintain sexual purity" I don't know what either of these things are and I don't think they matter very much.
Or just being asexual.
@@fogweaver5633 Oddly enough, they don’t like that either.
@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat After The Flood, God told Noah and his family to "go forth and replenish the earth." Asexuals don't procreate much. Doesn't matter, the earth has been replenished, and then some.
Tbh, the first thing my brain went to was how "close" some priests are to the boys in church.
It means, whenever you have sex, even with yourself, remember that GOD IS WATCHING YOU!
If that doesn't ruin the mood, you have a kink called exhibitionism.
When I was in my teens, my peers where always advised to not study psychology at university as it would ruin their faith. No one ever said why it would. It was only after I got out of the Baptist cult that I was in that I realised that they would learn about the manipulative techniques that were used on them.
"that were being used on them at that time"
Logic, science, and history are other courses that can ruin one’s faith. If learning so many topics make it hard for one to continue to hold a belief, maybe that belief shouldn’t be held onto.
This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting.
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
Aaaactually, i even promote just overall
using the Flag-Button more,
as literally not enough people do it, tbh.
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
I left the Baptist movement (am still a Christian but an Orthodox Christian) but I studied Philosophy and Psychology and yes they suggested I not study those things. Then when I came back and was like “Y’all ever heard these arguments” they were like “Well I don’t know about that I’m just a simple southern boy idk about that big city stuff I just trust the Bible” and I was like “Which interpretation of the Bible” and he went “well idk about that I just trust the Bible” and I was like “Ahhhh.... ok”
@@RunningRiotRaiden
So you didn’t actually question the religion itself, just your specific brand? As someone who studied psychology, surely you know about why people just accept the religion of their family and society. You never questioned if maybe the entire religion wasn’t true, and not just the Baptist version?
As a gay man living in an atheist society, I've managed to avoid most everyday discrimination. But I have friends whom have had it much worse at the hands of religion, and it breaks my heart. I truly believe that videos like this are super important to LGBT people in religious spheres, and that they can help a lot. If nothing else, they give me tools so that I can try to help others. Keep up the good work.
@Kadyrbek Nurlybekov I'm from Sweden, but these friends I talk about mostly live elsewhere
Yes, there is a negative correlation between the Happiness Index and the religiosity of a country. The more religious a nation is, the lower it scores on the Index.
@@Fledor. Fight for what you have or it'll be taken away from you!
@@xstatic-ow5mz you know he records thesse videos inside right?
@@xstatic-ow5mz hes not wearing a mask because that is his home/building he owns or rents. Just because the camera is there doesnt mean theres a cameraman behind it. Hes alone in a place he owns or rents so if he wore a mask then he might as we wear one while asleep.
Edit: stupid autocorrect turned or to ir.
I am now a second year student of an evangelical college, became an atheist 1 month ago, still in the closest and can relate to all that you've said
oof i wish you well. i remember being a closet non believer at a Christian middle school. its tough but life is so much better once you get out
@@dill_pickle_85 nice puffin
As someone who grew up in an Evangelical cult I give you my hope in getting out. Don’t give up fighting. Good luck, I know you can do this. (:
@Let's Talk About Movies jesus said to me that evangelicals are going to hell
Give me your projects
When you're forced into church school, remain celibate because your parents promised to abandon you if you don't, then get constantly accused of being gay by the same people because they assumed you'd fail & need forgiveness...
This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting.
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
Aaaactually, i even promote just overall
using the Flag-Button more,
as literally not enough people do it, tbh.
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
If you want a Crash-Course and some Starting-Help,
tell me.
And then they wonder why they are in a nursing home
@@slevinchannel7589 just because you don't like something doesn't mean you are justified in suppressing it. You are just as obsessed with purity as Evangelicals, you just favor Ideological purity rather than Religious purity.
@@userequaltoNull No, thats just your baseless assumption. I have no bias for or against Evangelics, in fact. In fact.
@@userequaltoNull You making stuff up about me is a Dissapointment for GMS and Me, if i may say so.
Controversial opinion:
Universities' such as the one Drew speaks of in this video should be illegal on the premise of brainwashing/ abuse
They should be but they won't be, at least not in the US.
A school like that sounds like hell on earth. Pun intended.
And i'm fucking scared that my mother wants to put me in one of those, and the worst is that if a couple HOLD HANDS he would need to pay 4 hours of work into the university and if they kissed it was 12 and sex could result in expulsion.
It doesn't sound like hell, it is hell, and most schools in the world are hell too.
They seem obsessed and overly focused on sex too.
@@Z3roX-56k Yes, because its a biological need and the more they repress it the more of a problem it will become to them.
I would definitely try to fuck with my teachers as much as possible of i were sent there
I too went to an Evangelical University, back in 1977-78. Everything you say was your experience was also mine, decades apart. Amazing how they refuse to learn from their mistakes.
These Schools are literally objectively
harmful; maybe you call the following statement (even
though i will phrase it as a question) as too extreme, but: Should the Goverment perhaps make these Schools illegal?!
Liberty University grad here. Pretty much everything you described is true of LU.
I live about 10 minutes away from liberty and know a lot of people who went there so it’s the school that came to my mind as well. Some of the things they do are just beyond horrible.
@Alex Christian
I'll be attending Liberty University (because my parents expect me to attend a Christian college and they are paying for it) in the Fall and have been going online to get my AA degree (I just turned 17 on the 12th). I've been going to Liberty University Online Academy since the 6th grade. I wouldn't say I'm atheist but I would say I'm more agnostic, which could change in the future. The discussion boards make me sick and angry in my religion classes, some of my classmates that are my age just speaking so ill of people in the LGBTQ+ community and mothers/women who have gotten abortions (while I am personally against abortions I will not talk down to someone who has had one and rather women be able to get them safely then not).
As someone who doesn't really have that close godly relationship with God, do you have advice on how to 'survive' these next few years?
@@caileirel.p.7641 I'm actually a Christian, but I really hate what the "church" (ie., organized religion as opposed to people truly living out their faith) has become. Hopefully more Christians can demonstrate Christ's love like we're supposed to...
I have heard that their is an underground party atmosphere at Liberty U. But , what the heck Jerry Falwell Jr. Sure didn't live biblical lifestyle.
@@Eugene384 lmao that’s for damn sure, one of my family members used to party with him so I always found it both disgusting and hilarious the things he preaches
I'm so thankful that beyond having 2 atheistic grampas, my father was more interested in laying cement and brickwork around our house than take us to church, and my mom who would say, "well if he won't go, I'm not taking them alone."
Very nice!! Good chuckle.
Speaking as a Brit, it's almost inconceivable that stuff like this would be taught in UK universities.
And that is why America will stop being a leader in technology. It's harder to get ahead when a certain percentage of the bright minds are sidelined. Or it may develop into a 2 tier system, the googles and microsofts will become their own little islands of science surrounded by seas of byebull thumpers. It's going to be interesting to see what happens in urban Texas as more companies relocate there and bring their corporate ideologies with them. The transplanted employees are not going to put up with attempts to teach intelligent design in public schools.
You don't get taught much at UK universities anyway
@@snsnplpl I'm hoping the new scepticism will eventually become mainstream in the US, so maybe the outlook could be more optimistic than you suggest. In the UK almost half the population now identifies as "None" when asked about their religious affiliation, so it is pretty mainstream to have no religious beliefs. The problem we have here is with Islam, an increasing Muslim demographic, taking offense easily and demanding that modern ideas that contradict their beliefs be kept out of schools. The left sides with Islam - where it would NEVER side with conservative Christianity - so that compounds the difficulties.
Maybe you need to look closely. I guess it is far worse in USA, but I doubt there is nothing similar in UK, if so, good for UK ! In France we have religious schools but most of them lost a lot of traction and religion is loosing its grip, but for a long time those private and religious schools add a much better reputation. The level of the students was better on average. Even today, I have a few friends that are teachers in a college where teachers are required to be christians and to engage themself not to dispute religion in class. My son is in junior high school and religion is optionnal there, but when he was in grade school he had to attend some religious celebration where his teachers would ask him to sing during the mass. And they where very carefull to put the celebration between two lessons, not at the beginning of the day or the end, preventing students to arrive after or leave before the celebration. My son hated that. In junior high they put less stunts like this, and covid might have helped too lol. I am older obviously and been through those hoops too. Damn in my time it was not even "religious education" but rather catchism. Now at least the teacher is supposed to talk about all religion and not preach.
@@karolina.s2835 I honestly think that the crazy position the left are taking on this issue has something to do with it. There is simply not enough resistance to what is happening from the population generally - who is probably lukewarm and uninterested in religious matters - and the left actively sides with Islam, rushing to protect them when there is the slightest criticism.
To me as a "normal"-university student, what you are describing to me does not sound like a university, it sounds like a dangerous cult and I am absolutely terrified by the concept.
Okay..I am going to reveal to you 3 things that are about to happen, so when they happen..you know that God exist. These prophecies are written in the Bible. First the disappearance of many people [true believers] worldwide.
Governments will attribute such disappearance to an alien abduction..it is not..do not be deceived..it was the rapture that took place where Jesus will save believers from the catastrophe that will come into the world. Iran, Turkey , Russia will attack Israel...the U.S will not help them. Israel will be on its own but not for long because God will intervene.
You will be ruled by the anti christ. All countries will live as one nation ruled by the anti christ. There will be no buying nor selling for those whose faith is in Christ, for those who will refuse to worship the anti christ. When these happens..receive Christ as your Messiah..you can still be saved but you may have to sacrifice your life for the faith during the time of the anti christ..but stay strong in the Lord.
@@mikeygarcia8271 lol sure bro
I hate the people who built the system you are describing here. This is abuse.
Definitely abuse
this used to be my life.
They really don't know any better. Some are obvious money grabbing hucksters, but many believe that should they fail,personally, or allow their students to falter, an eternity of torture awaits. That's pretty motivating. It is still abuse, but done through ignorance, not malice.
You can't really blame 'em, they were raised that way, if not then they believe that their beliefs were true, as a result, they strive to make others believe the same with them. All of us aren't that different.
This dude is a joke on a yoke.
I got kicked out of a Christian uni.... for violating their "honor code" I cant even describe how insane that place was
I had 4 years at a christian university, and the longer I was there, the more I realized I was not a christian. It took me a few years before I considered myself an atheist, but I did eventually get there.
This may be off topic...but it is still relevant to you...Can I ask you something? Can a people become a nation again after having been dispersed in different parts of the world for more than two thousand years? And in the countries where they were exiled, they were the minority and were heavily persecuted. They were not allowed to secure jobs and were often expelled from their lands..
And throughout the ages, kings, queens, political and religious leaders tried to annihilate them...do you think they could survive as a people? Could they become a nation again and become a powerful force in the region shortly after they reestablish themselves in the land of their forefathers in the face of much opposition from neighboring countries, considering they are a small country, as small as New Jersey with the land mostly dessert, surrounded by enemies who wanted to annhilate them and with hardly any natural resources that even Mark Twain in his diary said that even a cactus was having a hard time to grow in this arid, bone dry and dessicated land ? What do you think?
I quit church at an evangelical college. The more I learned about the religion, the less I believed.
Same. Attending an evangelical college has radicalized me in my atheism in that I now actively dislike religion...not the outcome my parent was hoping for
Same here - I was the guy asking all sorts of uncomfortable questions regarding concepts like “free will” and “salvation” at Bible studies as I began to understand the implications of an omnimax deity in our universe: questions that no one could answer…
Genetically Modified Skeptic, thank you so much! This video changed my life. Just a week or before this video was posted I finally came to terms with the fact I was bisexual. I was a deist at the time, but digging into Christian homophobia and pro-gay theology got me reading the bible and become a Christian again. This only lasted a few months though. When watching apologetics debate and answer questions, I found myself disagreeing with them, but I was still a believer. After watching enough Christian videos about why being gay is bad, your response videos to them started being suggested. I was skeptical of watching your videos once I found out you were an atheist, but the thumbnail and title for this one tickled my interest. I watched it, and it made me really realize just how absurd of a religion Christianity is and the crazy things otherwise reasonable people will do just to maintain faith in it. I later watched more of your stuff responding to homophobia, and although none of it made me an atheist, it got UA-cam to recommend another channel, therimintrees, to me. The videos looked like responses to my own objections to the bible; after reading the Torah and Job, I concluded Yahweh is a narcissistic child to ridiculous to exist in the real world. The videos by therimintrees let me hear someone with the same conclusion talk, and I finally admitted that God is not real. Immediately after saying it out loud, I was filled with joy.
Now for anyone who thinks life without God is unlivable and sad, I say, "try believing in a world with a god who took part in making a book that is responsible for literal millennia of your people being slaughtered. That's what being a Christian is like for me. I want you to look at my face and imagine it being bashed in with rocks because of what your so-called lord of love told desert wandering savages with eye-for-an-eye ethics to do. How dare you not only try to tell me there is a god who loves me so much he is willing to honor kill me for not satisfying his fetish for impregnations but also try to coax me into believing I deserve death and the only reason you haven't killed me yet is because your idol said to love your enemies. Your so-called morals are illusive and based upon primitive laws of iron-age, animal-sacrificing bafoons who would have killed you yourself for your race. Jesus was not the Israeli god of weather, Yahweh. Yahweh was never real. If you actually read the bible in context, Yahweh is absolutely a tyrant who would never love you unless he gets something out of it. The text is not divinely inspired. Your religion is a lie. Get over it."
That was my rant I guess. If anyone actually read this far, thank you for reading. I may have gotten caught up in the heat of the moment there, but I just want to say ever since I left the religion, my life has been so much better. I'm the kind of guy who thinks that if I'm in a religion, I need to genuinely believe it. I genuinely believed in Yahweh for quite some time, and it was living hell. I find my story to be an example of how Abrahamic religions are demonstrably harmful to a great number of people.
i found the rant a bit difficult to read but only a little bit
there's a quote i particularly love that your third paragraph reminded me of:
If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood or persuaded of afterwards, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call into question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it - the life of that man is one long sin against mankind....
"But," says one, "I am a busy man; I have no time for the long course of study which would be necessary to make me in any degree a competent judge of certain questions, or even able to understand the nature of the arguments."
Then he should have no time to believe.
William K. Clifford, 1874
"Hate the sin, love the sinner," is about the most emotionally and intellectually dishonest thing that Christians say. It completely negates the identity of large swathes of people. I went to my sister Christmas eve service (before COVID) and got soooo angry. I was looking at their youth and thinking that at least 10% of those kids would grow up learning to hate part of who they are. I know my sister wants to do good and does do a lot of good. But it makes me nauseous thinking about the abuse the church hands out while calling it salvation.
Tax this church today.
"hate the sin, love the sinner"
"Ok"
"Also, murder everyone who doesnt believe in me"
"Wait, that doesnt make sense tho"
"Alright guys, he questioned me, kill him"
"Oh"
@@dudep504 Isn't that Islam?
@@pureone8350 its the same, but islam doesnt hide it as much
If you base your identity on sex brother, you are confused.
Apparently, my life should be completely unmanageable as I spiral out of control and into a desperate abyss of depression, self loathing and drug abuse. It must piss them off to no end that I'm happier and healthier as an atheist.
Yep, ironically I'm in much better mental health now without formal religion than when I was thoroughly devoted to it.
@@Kimnicpat Me too for sure.
Same for me. Happy as can be.
They hate me cuz I follow the Norse gods and call Yahweh a woman
@@maxwellorryn3380 Well, I guess those pagan gods are a lot better than the puritanical, blood junky from the Bible but I still think it's both incorrect and less healthy. Being free from all superstitious baggage is a good way to be. I'm not going to push it any harder unless prompted but that's my 2 cents anyway. Good luck.
In my (thankfully secular) school we have this tradition of a “marriage booth” at the back-to-school fair. Last year two girls got “married” and a Karen mom had a public freak out screaming that we would all burn in hell four our progressive ways and her son would no longer attend our school or some bs like that. It even got the “marriage booth” thing abolished, starting debates on the school newspaper, that’s how loud that asshat’s tantrum was.
I did not attend a Christian university, but I did go to a private Christian school K-12. This school was also attached to the church my family attended (southern baptist). I’m 26 now but I’m still working to break down the ideas I was brainwashed to accept. Specifically, that I’m not deserving of love; it came as quite a shock to me how deeply I’d internalized this concept
And Jesus said "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. And love your neighbor as yourself. This is the whole of the Law and the Prophets."
Guess your good Southern Baptist church wasn't too strong on the basics. Jesus said to love yourself. If you don't love yourself, how can you love others? If you don't take care of yourself, how can you take care of others? Or, in more secular terms, Who rescues the rescuers? Take care.
@@fogweaver5633 the manner in which I lacked self love sprouted from how I was taught to view humanity as depraved, loved by god despite our worthlessness. This was supposedly a good message, that first destroys your self image through sin. Our “sin” makes us sick, disgusting, worthless, and broken. Once you’ve internalized and believed this idea, you are ready for the hope that comes from a belief in a “loving” god. In the Christian faith (or at least my denomination) god loved us so much despite our sickening depravity that he was willing to save us. So in this sense, it’s a relief for Christians: I was disgusting but god still loved me. Once I quit believing in god, I apparently still believed that I was worthless, but I couldn’t move on to the next step: acceptance of god’s love because I no longer believed.
I hope this explanation helped you realize that your comment did not address my actual experience. I suppose that you are a Christian who is willing to watch atheist videos so I choose to think you’re willing to learn and expand you understanding of other peoples experiences. What I don’t appreciate is how dismissive you were of my faith background, as if it wasn’t substantive enough to qualify as Christian, so I can’t actually be critical of faith because It wasn’t a true representation of how faith is lived. The church harmed me, and my faith kept me stuck in a toxic mindset. I reject organized religion and as for the actual Bible, my interpretation has led me to reject a belief in god as he would be the most cruel entity if he were real.
I hope you find your healing
You are deserving of love. Otherwise, God would not love you, and He does.
9:40 :
"Commitment to a belief regardless of what you learned is not an ideological strength, and when that commitment is required for the maintenence of a belief it's a sign that the belief is dependent on the believer's ignorance."
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Well, please define belief for me then. Almost everyone believes in some purpose or meaning. Very few atheists or theists would say that the things they see as meaningful in their life haven't changed during the course of their lives. Therefore, the argument is toothless, it applies to more or less no-one.
Christians may express what they learned in the words of "I grew in my faith" while atheists might express it as "I became more aware", but it means the same thing. Both people's beliefs changed, both people changed their views on what is meaningful. The number of people that "commit" to a belief their entire lives is zero, not counting people with very short lives.
@@gustavangerbjorn5601 I think you didn't understand what he was trying to say. It's okay to believe a belief like "There is a god" and "There is no god" but if you believe it despite you can't dealing with arguments against it + you want that nobody will ask questions about that faith, then your faith is based on ignorance.
@@nighttime4272 As far I as know, I understood the argument. What I’m saying is that is doesn’t apply to anyone. When someone presents their own way of thinking in a respectful way, people will listen. Obviously, no one will listen to you if you start of with saying ”everything you think is false”, because the person knows it isn’t completely false. And that is not ignorance, that is just common sense.
And that’s ignoring the fact that everyone is not always in the mood to talk about everything.
@@gustavangerbjorn5601 It doesn't apply to anyone in the sense that no one can force themselves to never change their mind about anything. The point is that people will try to follow this to the best of their abilities and are being taught to, that's dangerous.
@@some-one-else But people are just simply not taught that. Like I said, the argument is toothless, it’s not based upon reality
As a gay former Baptist, I would always get the shit about being told that I need to fix myself. As a 14 and 15 year old when I came out.
The people who told you that are wrong. The scripture we read is correct. You are loved by God no matter who you are. That’s what the bible says
@@conroyfinnigan8731 I'm glad there are believers who accept people for who they are. A lot of the bigotry in my church caused me to seriously question things and, ultimately, become an atheist when I did research for myself. I don't know if I would have kept believing had I been in a more accepting environment, but I'm glad there are Christians who are accepting. It shows me that the fundamentalist Baptist church I grew up in is not "the only way."
@@conroyfinnigan8731
That isn’t true. There are MANY passages in the Bible that call homosexuality a detestable sin, and even that they should be killed for it, in some.
The scripture you read isn’t “correct”. There is no correct interpretation of the Bible because you can use it to support almost ANY position. That’s because it completely contradicts itself constantly. There’s no reason to listen to any of it.
@@roems6396 ok this is a long conversation. I can’t go through the whole scripture in context . But, as a start , the law was made for the Hebrews . Also , Jesus took the law and completed it . If we go by the old law, then we say Jesus hasn’t done enough. No disrespect to you at all but I’m not sure how much you’ve read the scripture, in context.
@@conroyfinnigan8731 Mr. Finnigan believe what you want but the bible even after the old testament unambiguously condemns homosexuals. Unless you claim to know better than Paul what a Christian should believe you are wrong.
"Evangelical University" sounds like an oxymoron.
@@clutchthecinnamonsergal8493 ...with emphasis on the word "moron" 😁
Where geology, biology, and cosmology die.
@Tyler B #2 murica, fuck yeah, im gonna move to an uninhabited island in the pacific ocean no-ow
@Tyler B #2 Computer coding is by definition not natural as natural is non human origin. We distinguish natural from not natural by whether it was of human origin or human intelligence origin. We know that DNA is natural because it isn't created by humans or a human like mind. You definitely have faith that an invisible super human like mind can exist without a brain and think/will complex entities into existence. Using your logic you have enormous faith that a super human like mind AKA god can exist without a creator. Imaginary beings can just exist without being logical.
@Tyler B #2 prove to me that DNA _is_ created by a human like mind. The burdon-of-proof is on you since you are making the assertion. There is nothing to say DNA is _not_ a natural process. What laws of nature are broken? Research shows us a bottom-up universe not a top-down one. Complexity is just the result of the simple being repeated endlessly with variation. Staggeringly complicated is not excluded in nature under the right circumstances. It might be improbable but it isn't impossible. The universe is staggering in its vastness but it ain't hard to find a needle in a haystack if you're sitting on it. _And_ even if there _was_ a supernatural being involved... _SO WHAT?_ Who is anybody to say what it is, Christian or otherwise? And what questions does that then answer anyway... none. It is a non answer, an unproductive solution that explains nothing.
Your "Human like mind"? ...sounds more like vanity and insecurity than insight.
ive honestly been scared to click on this video for a few months. I am an ex culist it hurts knowing I believed in such horrific ideology and practices.... and I know in the last 10 years, I am STILL unlearning and deprogramming, so it is scary to know there is a lot more. But I need to know, so I can continue to grow.
its 100% true that education weaken your faith.
When you learn how to use your brain, its a side effect, you actually get smart and start to ask questions :D
Evangelical College is where you flunk by getting the questions right.
EC " education" is very similar to the "education" North Koreans receive .
Just replace God and Jesus with Kim il Sung and Kim Jong il
Okay..I am going to reveal to you 3 things that are about to happen, so when they happen..you know that God exist. These prophecies are written in the Bible. First the disappearance of many people [true believers] worldwide.
Governments will attribute such disappearance to an alien abduction..it is not..do not be deceived..it was the rapture that took place where Jesus will save believers from the catastrophe that will come into the world. Iran, Turkey , Russia will attack Israel...the U.S will not help them. Israel will be on its own but not for long because God will intervene.
You will be ruled by the anti christ. All countries will live as one nation ruled by the anti christ. There will be no buying nor selling for those whose faith is in Christ, for those who will refuse to worship the anti christ. When these happens..receive Christ as your Messiah..you can still be saved but you may have to sacrifice your life for the faith during the time of the anti christ..but stay strong in the Lord.
@@mikeygarcia8271 The Rapture happened years ago. You were left behind for cutting your beard and wearing mixed fabrics.
@@MP197742 When you see Russia, Iran and Turkey invading Israel...remember me.
@@mikeygarcia8271 You copy&paste the same sh*t here under variosu comments. So I assume you know for yourself that your "arguments" are BS and you have nothing that could convince people. So I guess you try to use the old trick: if something is repeated often enough then it will be true at a certain point. Like Matt Powell having an inflatable banana in his backyard.
What's your inflatable object in the backyard?
In my upbringing , I found myself afraid of scientific papers, especially about evolution, until I realized the folly of fearing knowledge
the first five minutes of this is why I left religion. This whole video described my private christian HIGH SCHOOL to the T. The full first ten minutes feels like you stepped back in time and described my high school years to me. The only difference is that our school didn't even acknowledge that gay people exist. Didn't talk about it. Didn't discuss conversion because "Gay" was something that happened to "other" people, not good christians. (Surprise, we had a trans student and multiple LGB students who came out in their late 20's). It's awful that universities do this to students. It was awful to have it done to me as a teenager, too
If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence
You're right, but he doesn't so the believers lie like hell!
@Laygo Cole if you fall flat on your face, which in a way you did figuratively speaking posting this comment, you will experience gravity in all its might and there will be no god to help you back on your feet.
*religious god
@Laygo Cole Except gravity is not intelligent all loving being that made hell for people that don't believe in gravity. If god was real and was all loving, wouldn't it be in his interest for us to believe in him. So why doesn't he give us evidence that he exists. Why doesn't he talk to us?
Or perhaps this “god” just doesn’t feel the need to interact with humans any more than humans feel the need to interact with the bugs on their front lawn…
Commenting for algorithm
All hail the algorithm!
answer for the algorithm god, the one andonly god of youtube
great point made lol
glory to algorithm
@@patrician1082 I'm not sure if i agree with that but i respect your opinion.
I feel so bad for those students...
I left the church years ago and am only starting to realize the scars it left behind. Definitely subscribing. Thank you for this.
As someone who is still forced to go to a very conservative Christian Reformed Church, thank you for this video. It is like a breath of fresh air from all of the religious stuff I have to hear on a regular basis.
Oof, I know the feel, my parents raised me in this manner. At 36, I'm still battling to deal with that crap they forced down my throat.
Same. 27 here, still working out the trauma
This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting...
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
Aaaactually, i even promote just overall
using the Flag-Button more,
as literally not enough people do it, tbh...
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
If you want a Crash-Course and some Starting-Help,
tell me.
Talk back to the voices in your head. The trick is to find the correct rebuttal. I had a lot of toxic lines of my mother's running around in my head that I dealt with fairly easily, but the "Why can't you ever do anything right?" took a few years. Turned out the correct reply to that one was "Because I was born left-handed." That shut the b*tch up. Just negating what the voice says isn''t very succesful. Try spouting scripture back at it. If you half-remember a verse but not where it was, try Strong's Exhaustive Concordance online at www.biblestudytools.com/concordances/strongs-exhaustive-concordance/
My father had this in his library, and it never failed to help me find what I needed. Took a while sometimes though. Even found verses I didn't know existed.
It was conundrum for sure. There is liberty from it now yet new conundrums have been created.
At an evangelical university, I wonder how they teach sujects such as astronomy, cosmology, physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, archaeology, paleontology, anthropology, etc.
God created the planets, god set the universe in motion, god wrote the laws of physics, god created the elements to fit the periodic table, god created every animal kind and humans after his own image...
You get the drift.
It is as @Oscar Gr says. I´ve not been on an evangelical university, but I grew up near an evangelical theological centre. And I had to contain myself when I saw a "PhD in biology" telling everyone that evolution is a lie and the real scientific theory is intelligent design.
The good thing is, you'll never fail the exam.
Whatever the question is, just write "God knows the answer".
@@PedroPiquero The thing is, you can't finish proving either. So whoever says that either intelligent design or biological evolution are scientific facts is dead wrong. There's a reason why they're called theories.
@@arcturus4762 to say that is to admit you don't have a clue what science is about. Or are you just trolling here?
As someone who is currently deconstructing my own faith, I appreciate videos like this, if only to be reminded that I'm never alone.
"Don't worry, even though you aren't worthy of love, God still loves you"
On the inside, this is framed as the sweetest, most righteous statement ever. On the outside, this is the language of abuse. I don't know how else to describe making autonomous adults think their biological feelings are dirty and evil but abuse.
To think I almost subjected myself to this, but stopped after I saw the graduation rate (10%) and decided I wasn't willing to call my grandma a bad person (she's married to another woman) just to stay in school. In hindsight that might have been my best life decision.
Wasn't an Evangelical (I was raised Catholic) but I remember so well how I felt so much guilt over having normal sexual urges.
So true!! Born as catholic but schooled as a Protestant.. And I could remember the times when the boys are being charged guilty of sin when they masturbate... And that one time.. They called out a couple since the girl got pregnant and made them publically apologize..
That,s how religion effects control!
I was born a Presbyterian, now free I am a Humanist !
This may be off topic...but it is still relevant to you...Can I ask you something? Can a people become a nation again after having been dispersed in different parts of the world for more than two thousand years? And in the countries where they were exiled, they were the minority and were heavily persecuted. They were not allowed to secure jobs and were often expelled from their lands..
And throughout the ages, kings, queens, political and religious leaders tried to annihilate them...do you think they could survive as a people? Could they become a nation again and become a powerful force in the region shortly after they reestablish themselves in the land of their forefathers in the face of much opposition from neighboring countries, considering they are a small country, as small as New Jersey with the land mostly dessert, surrounded by enemies who wanted to annhilate them and with hardly any natural resources that even Mark Twain in his diary said that even a cactus was having a hard time to grow in this arid, bone dry and dessicated land ? What do you think?
Okay..I am going to reveal to you 3 things that are about to happen, so when they happen..you know that God exist. These prophecies are written in the Bible. First the disappearance of many people [true believers] worldwide.
Governments will attribute such disappearance to an alien abduction..it is not..do not be deceived..it was the rapture that took place where Jesus will save believers from the catastrophe that will come into the world. Iran, Turkey , Russia will attack Israel...the U.S will not help them. Israel will be on its own but not for long because God will intervene.
You will be ruled by the anti christ. All countries will live as one nation ruled by the anti christ. There will be no buying nor selling for those whose faith is in Christ, for those who will refuse to worship the anti christ. When these happens..receive Christ as your Messiah..you can still be saved but you may have to sacrifice your life for the faith during the time of the anti christ..but stay strong in the Lord.
@@mikeygarcia8271 Give me a time frame, because you sound like you are talking out of your ass. How soon? What if 50 years passes and none of those, or just one of those things happens? People have been making predictions about the second coming for millennia, and they never come true. It’s the boy who cried wolf. But I will screenshot this comment with a note saying to never delete it. I’ll get back to you in 50 years.
Our Lord never said 'don't have sex'.
But he did say to sell everything we have and give it to the poor. Did the pious teachers ever get round to that bit?
I havent, but I'm not some blasphemous wretch claiming to know the mind of God and Christ.
No one knows the “mind” of any god. That’s the whole problem, preachers pretend that they do. But they are just deluding themselves.
But still you claim to know the know the existence of something you have only ready and heard about in a book among many other books.
@@nyhyl
Who are you talking to?
@@nyhyl my beliefs are mine, and you don’t know how I came by them. What separates me from these evangelists, and possibly you, is that I don’t expect others to share my faith beliefs, nor would I seek to impose them on others.
@@stevendurrant1724 Cool dude. Then I don't think you'd mind just keeping that whole comment you just posted to yourself? Since, y'know, you don't "seek to impose them on others", and therefore no one needs to know about them, especially since no one asked.
Wow, so true. I graduated from a bible college years ago, and by my last year was having some very serious questions. A couple days before graduation, all the seniors were handed a one page document listing 13 points of doctrine, and we had to sign it to graduate. At that point I was not down with those beliefs, and had to ask myself, do I sign this when I don't believe it and throw away all my years of diligent work, or do I refuse to sign so that I would be completely honest. After only a few minutes, I said the hell with it and signed the damn paper. The college had no right to steal my years of hard work. I have never regretted that decision.
I can only imagine what Biology class was like.
These Schools are literally objectively
harmful; maybe you call the following statement (even
though i will phrase it as a question) as too extreme, but:
Should the Goverment perhaps make these Schools illegal!
student : so, you turned straight because of christ
christopher yuan : well yes, but actually no
Yeah, but grammar?
I don't know the guy but it's at least admirable that he answered that question honestly even if it doesn't follow the narrative he was supposed to be there to promote.
Yes… No… Maybe… Uh, can I buy a vowel?
I feel so bad for kids growing up in that toxic environment... 😕
"Jesus can turn you straight."
I don't know about you, but I'd go gay for Obi-wan Kenobi.
Obi-Wan: [eyebrow wiggle] Hello there...
I mean you have undeniably good taste, but you already gay
Ewan MacGregor is a handsome chap, for sure lol
"I can get it right this time!" You say as you try to make your life fit into a narrative that was never true to begin with, and when you fail again you blame yourself instead of the lie.
We were gaslit.
Thank you. We weren't stupid, we were brainwashed and abused
When I see comments like this, I can only laugh as no teachers were ever able to influence me to see them as anything more than strangers that worked as teachers...
@deductive reasoning you sound like a high school kid with low self esteem
@@deductivereasoning4257 Edgy.
@@deductivereasoning4257 One of those people who's oddly proud of not being able to learn anything
I can't even imagine what trans or gnc students at these institutions have to go through
For real. I never met anyone who said they were trans at my university, which I don’t take to mean that there were no trans people there, but rather that the environment was so hostile that no one dared to come out. This is why videos like these need to be made. I can’t imagine how terrifying it would be to go there as a trans person.
Does Gnc mean gender non conforming? Can someone explain this to me, what does it mean to not want to be or not feel like a certain/any gender if you know what I mean, like how does a gender ‘feel’? Genuinely asking, not being a dick
"trans person" lol....if they didn't transition then they aren't trans...just fantasizing
@@bysonharrison1395 if you aren’t even gonna try to have empathy, why are you on this channel?? I don’t remotely understand gender either, but you can’t just use that as an excuse to dismiss trans people and all that they go through
@@benzenefire you say you don't understand gender....well don't assume that I don't because I do. And facts don't care about feelings so go be an empath in your safe space snowflake.
Christian scientific method..."Do not put the Lord your God to the test".
In other words don't try to find proof for God's existence 😅
In other words, don't use common sense
Nor at all
True!! This is truly preached in a lot of churches
What the Bible actually says is "Test all things; hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
People test doctrine and reject it because it's not good.
I still consider myself a believing catholic but have startinf falling away from my faith recently due to me being gay and getting a boyfriend. I recently stumbled upon your channel and it sounds like I’m goin through a similar thought process as you
I’m bisexual and a former Catholic. I support whatever decision you make.
As an ex-christian that actually attended one of these colleges you hit every nail on the head!
As a current Christian, I agree. Too many universities seem so afraid of opposing viewpoints that they don't accept people who struggle with faith or deny it, one of many things they were called to do. They seem to expect you to act like them without adapting to the people around them. I really don't like when Christian institutions do some of these things. However, I thankfully went to a Bible School (post-secondary) that didn't do these things and even accepted some atheists as well.
@@jaredtweed7826 evangelical Christians could not consider you a "True Christian"
@@OnIslandProductions I disagree. Maybe a subset of protestant Christians that I have never met would think that I am not a Christian. I do know of many people and organizations who implement the things mentioned in this video. But the (church-going) Christians that I know personally, generally agree with me. Remember, I went to a literal Bible School that thinks the same way I do as well. It might be a regional thing. I have met Christians that think like me in British Columbia, Alberta, California, Germany, and Minnesota (I don't know many from Minnesota).
@@OnIslandProductions On the contrary, he's more of an accurate Biblical Christian than these institutions. I still don't get why people try to turn Christianity into an institution, when the entire basis or the religion is the personal relationship you have with God, not through an institution or a church, like many churches or Catholics say. There's entirely valid ways to debate a lot of things, but outright censoring them isn't one of them
I had to do a double-take at 5:11. When confronted with students who think they're not worthy of love, the people in the university would reaffirm those thoughts? That's super messed up...
yeah that really fucks with me too. My sister would talk that way when I would talk to her about these things, literally saying that you don't deserve love but God loves you anyway
"If a set of beliefs is true, it can withstand scrutiny on all angles"
oh dear
"If a set of beliefs is true, it can withstand scrutiny from any and all angles. There's no reason to be concerned that our beliefs may be challenged throughout our education if our beliefs are true"
I agree wholeheartedly. It was the main reason why I started investigating Christianity thoroughly. And I threw away a lot of things that I grew up with in the process. I'm still a Christian though. I found out that if I were honest with myself, I wouldn't have thrown away Christianity because of Christianity, I would have thrown it away because of Christians. When I started investigating Christianity, I found out many things that I wouldn't have known if it were for my education. I simply started educating myself despite the "don't ask questions, trust God" attitude I got from some Christians. And boy I learned. The Bible contains errors, the Bible contains contradictions, there's parts of the Bible that we do not know the author of. There's parts of the Bible that were later additions. I learned a whole lot that I never knew, but if I were honest with myself, none of these things had any bearing on whether the account in the Bible is true or not. It didn't mean as much for it.
And today, I consider myself an educated Christian, free for all kinds of ideas about how the earth and animals came to be. I accept the Big Bang, I accept evolution, be it theistic evolution. And I'm still educating myself further such that I may change my mind if new evidence contradicts with my current views. I really, really dislike the anti-education and sometimes anti-thinking view that some Christians seem to have. Christians really underestimate the value of an analytic mind and I have plans to educate the people in my church such that they start to think critically about their beliefs, like I did. Public education and science started from churches and Christians for crying out loud, where on earth did we go wrong?
Thanks for recognizing the prevalence of clinical depression in the evangelically taught secondary school crowd
My husband and I met at Oral Roberts University. We look back at our time there and cringe. We had chapel twice a week, required religion classes regardless of major, weekly devotional meetings, dorms segregated by sex, curfew at midnight, signed a pledge each semester that confirmed many evangelical beliefs about sex, alcohol, etc, and a general culture of basically living at church camp. I’m both comforted and horrified that I’m not alone in this.
So they robbed you of your fun partying college years?!? That’s almost as bad as the brainwashing in general.
@@roems6396 people neglecting covid precautions did that to plenty additional students.... I am so embarrassed by my governments failure
@@fionafiona1146
How is that the government’s failure? Do you mean the school’s governing body?
@@roems6396 government as the ultimate authority over schools, requiring them open
This 'Jesus can turn you straigth' isnt just
negativ, its outright disgusting.
I encourage everyone to use the Report-System
that UA-cam provides, if you ever see
content of any kind that promotes it.
Aaaactually, i even promote just overall
using the Flag-Button more,
as literally not enough people do it, tbh.
From Racism over P0rn to lil' spam-bots,
i managed to get a flipping lot removed
and I'm proud on it.
If you want a Crash-Course and some Starting-Help,
tell me.
Commenting for the algorithm is a good idea, saw someone else do it. Will be taking that and using it
That’s a good idea. This should be a “help my algorithm” chain
@@darthdookuvader163 yeah. Let's start it up. Call your friends
@@darthdookuvader163 I'll call Hugh and Logan
@@DeadPool-fx3sq I’ll call kylo, palatine and revan
Omg the "How did what you learned make you closer with God?" question is something I was put through at my Catholic high school several times. It was in stark contrast to the rest of what we did, which was generally pretty secular and thought-provoking.
This very closely mirrors the beliefs and experiences at my private Christian elementary/high school.
I eventually came to these same conclusions myself, but you’ve expressed them extremely well here-especially the abuse cycle that these beliefs depend upon to survive. There’s no way I could have said it better myself.
I feel so lucky that only some members of my family tried to covert me as a kid. By the time they figured out I wasn’t going to believe I got a lot less interesting to them.
Once they found out that you were a heathen, you mean!
Actually had a similar thing. My mom's side is very religious, and when I was very young, my aunt got us Christmas gifts that were these horrible Jesus dolls that had little scrolls with scripture.... My dad absolutely tore her a new one and threw them away.
Wow, this sounds so similar to my primary school I attended growing up. I was there for ten years and everything we learned had to have some connection to god, it was ridiculous. We were discouraged from free-thinking and simply instructed to blindly believe - it was insane. I literally didn't even meet an atheist until I was fourteen. My school was also in full support of bullying atheists and explained to us that to respect an atheist was to betray Jesus. They also explained to us the moral good of conversion therapy and when we had our first lesbian couple at school, our teachers forced them to break up as they were setting a bad example for other students, and who they were was plain disgusting and defies the laws of our god. My religious school experience was so tragically toxic that I honestly think all religious-based schools and universities should be illegal. These schools are indoctrinating young children and refusing to allow them to think independently. It needs to stop.
The way I see it, religion is totally acceptable in any situation until your religion starts hurting others (including yourself), whether or not you know them personally. Once that line is crossed, that religion becomes unacceptable.
I think it depends on the religion. Christianity should not be practice cuz its pro genocide
@@akiraholland457 it’s pro genocide? I mean I know it mentions genocide numerous times in the Bible, but jeez
@@eeveegon it's also pro slavery, you see i had the same logic once but i became a lot less tolerant when i thought that believing in any religion at all is hurting yourself, since they're not real, the same way that a kid believing 1+1=3 is damaging to them
Thank you so much for talking about this kind of stuff Drew, I deconverted from Christianity about a year ago and I've still got a couple years left at my very Christian university, where I'm having to hide it and it's a very lonely experience - your videos help me so much, I'm really grateful for them
I have a friend who struggled with this for most of his adult life, he finally decided god made him gay. I can't imagine the pain and unhappiness he has gone through because a bronze age mythology.
"evangelical university" floor made of ceiling
My family is extremely religious and I attended a private Christian school from 1st to 6th grade. It was hell for me, but now, I'd consider what I experience at home worse. As a biromantic, transgender agnostic athiest, there is nothing I personally believe that makes me unable to be who I am. But I experience a lot of turmoil and question if I'm actually going to hell, if I've damned myself somehow, etc. One of the worst parts is my mother claims she is a prophet and inserts her god complex into everything, especially when dealing with my mental illnesses, which she largely believes are nonexistent. She's also asked me if I still believe several times, and I've had to lie to her to avoid being severely punished or lectured. My grandparents, sisters, and other relatives are all also religious. If they knew my true identity, boy would I be in dangerous waters.
I'm 16, by the way.
Religion is a cult.
This resonated with me on a personal level. I went to a religious school from kindergarten to 5th grade. The whole time I was there, I was completely surrounded by religious people (obviously), and I learned all about the Bible. I’m atheist and bisexual, and even now I sometimes subconsciously think that being who I am is bad, and that I’ll go to hell because of it. I’m sad that so many people have experiences like this, but it’s good to know that we aren’t alone.
Let me get this straight....god created us, gave us a sex drive, and will punish us for THINKING about sex. Does anyone see a problem here?
Christianity is nothing but contradictions which lead to unfathomable hypocrisy.
@@late8641 Contradictions and unfathomable hypocrisy seem unlikely elements of a god plan.
@@lmnop1022 exactly
I have cousins who go to Pensacola. Staff apparently reads your mail there.
Do they still segragate the sexes in the cafeteria and sidewalks?
I’m currently attending PCC and the rules have relaxed slightly since under new management. PCC still monitors WIFI traffic and can call a meeting with you if they notice something suspicious. Nevertheless, I’m searching for truth into my beliefs and I’m so glad I found Andrew’s channel!
I definitely grew up in a culture of being afraid of education in a sense. Afraid that it would cause me to lose my faith. The funny part was, by that point, I had lost whatever faith I ever had nearly 6 years before that, when I was 12. My parents and people from my church just didn’t know that. At one point, I told my mom that I had signed up for a philosophy class. She didn’t like that. To her, philosophy was dangerous and a very secular class. She told me she didn’t want me taking it, and I told her that if Christianity was correct, I should be able to take philosophy and still believe in it. The truth shouldn’t be afraid of education. Remarkably, she agreed and was fine with me taking it 😂 That class really helped me shape my views on things. I layed a lot of groundwork for skepticism that semester. It was great! So, in a way my mom was right. Lol
I've seen no evidence that "evangelical christian" and "university" are compatible terms.
Religion should not be imposed on any young person regardless if it's an academic environment or not
Not in any modern sense of the word “university” - perhaps in a more Medieval context…
Also we had to get married ASAP or else fear of pre-marital s**. So we ended up getting married over Spring break. My stepmom was so mad because she taught at the university.
I know some people like this. I went to HS with a Mormon girl who went to BYU. She came back after her first semester and was married that winter break, was pregnant by spring break, was divorced by the time the baby was born, and was married and pregnant a second time each before she graduated.
@@vincegonzalez2171 That's what happens when you are taught to prevent being sexually active before marriage (and that getting married would be better than taking a chance you might "stumble") and when there's no sex education. Hasty marriages and babies.
I’ve got a lot of friends that are super active in the church! Everybody is getting engaged, married within 6 months of knowing each other. 19 years old, still kids, no real life experiences, no obstacles in the relationship yet to overcome.
My girlfriend and I have been together for 7 years. We started dating in high school at 17 and currently we are 24. Over the years we have gotten a lot of pressure from friends and family members to get married. “You will feel better” and all that nonsense. I even had somebody say my diagnosed anxiety disorder would go away if we got married and got closer to Jesus. Wtf
I belive this is why evangelists have the highest divorce rates in the U.S.. Ironically, atheists have the lowest divorce rates.
Holy ..... There's some worthless advertisement for something called rational religion before the video started. Wow youtube almost has a sense of irony
Lol I’m guessing Christians are targeting ads at atheist tagged material. Cause I kept getting ads for Bible studies, churches, Christian content etc on this video when I never do on others. So funny. It’d be hilarious if atheists did the same for Christian content just for the trolling and memes. 😂😂 click on a God related video to see an ad: “have you considered Satanism?”
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If the goal is to convert people to your own belief system, the rational action is to direct your advertising at people with different beliefs. Doing otherwise is just preaching to the choir, and won't gain you any converts.
Rational Religion... Like the gods for RPGs?
*SKIP AD*
That's what I did, as I recognized the irony.
Christopher C
Oh no! Watch the ad, or at least 30 seconds of a long one. That way the advertiser gets charged for the view, and Drew gets a pittance added to his ad revenues.
I could tell this was an emotional topic for you to cover. I'm sorry you had to go through that. You moved me to realize some of the dissonant indoctrination from my own childhood.
I think everyone experiences this in a church environment to some degree except at this "evangelical university" they can monitor you more closely over an extended period. It's like a four year daycare for young adults. The side effect is that it keeps young adults in an adolescent mindset. They don't develop emotionally as they normally would because they're told that sexual maturity until marriage is wrong. This can also lead to a great deal of emotional trauma. Back when everyone got married in their teens, chastity may have made sense to some degree because it was only a short time before marriage. But not many people attended highschool let alone university. Now that people don't marry until their mid 20s or 30s, it could be quite damaging to delay normal adult stage development until marriage.
@@olive4naito These Schools are literally objectively
harmful; maybe you call the following statement (even
though i will phrase it as a question) as too extreme, but:
Should the Goverment perhaps make these Schools illegal?!
I attended a Southern Baptist college in TN back in the late 70s-early 80s and my experiences mirrored yours closely. I was even on a track to become a Baptist minister. However, it was my experiences there, and my interactions with my fellow ministerial and other students which drove me further and further from belief. As I tried and failed to remain celibate, and struggled with my failures, I was faced with the expectation that I would maintain the great illusion when I was asked to be a guest speaker at religious services or to lead prayers. I found myself publicly condemning the activities I and my female partners (I was straight) were engaged in from the pulpit, while guiltily hiding those activities from public view. Even then I had a high sense of ethics so I simply stopped speaking on certain things in order to, at some level, not become a hypocrite. The problem was, that I knew other guys, who could cheerfully have sex on Saturday night with one young lady and another on Sunday morning and 2-3 hours later, with a straight face to boot, stand in front of a congregation and wail convincingly about the evils of lusting and fornicating. After 3 years of this I had had enough and I walked away. I went to church for a couple more years but as I witnessed hypocritical pastor after hypocritical deacon after hypocritical "church lady" I eventually left the church, and with the exception of tours of great cathedrals and the like have not set foot in a church in nearly 40 years.
The first was so true for me n I wasn't even at a Christian School. Not gonna lie, the depression this sent me in along with educating myself on science and archeology led me out of Christianity.
Thankfully I'm not depressed anymore
Happy for you getting over depression :)