Boy I was a death merchant for 18 years (funeral director retired),is that the first grave jokes yall heard? Guess what? Business at the funeral home is DEAD. GUESS what else?people are just dying to get into the funeral home !!! HEY!!! I put the FUN(in)(fun)erall!!! Let the knee slapping begin!
Jim doesn't hate everyone from New York, he literally does a podcast with someone from New York (or nearby, same thing) it's just Russo, he's so unlikable
Cornette tells a great story where he was talking to Russo backstage about the format of that night's RAW, and he was saying to Russo that there were too many DQs (it might have been almost every match). Russo responded with, "DQ, schmee-Q! Nobody cares!" and Cornette got hot and got right in Russo's face over that flippant response. Russo got scared and complained to McMahon, leading to a caution for Cornette. It isn't only a mere difference in booking philosophy. Cornette has more serious allegations against Russo such as being indirectly responsible for Owen Heart's death because it was Russo's idea to make him the Blue Blazer again. He also hates Russo and Ed Ferrara for doing the Oklahoma character which pretty much just made fun of JR's Bell's Palsy.
Funny how the RuBros don't even know that Cornette wrote the TV formats and timed the TV shows for the WWF during Russo's time on creative. He wrote, directed, and produced the entire TV shows for SMW and OVW. Russo could never do that, he's completely clueless about the technical side of television.
There's a radio interview with Russo right before he took control of WCW, and he basically blueprints everything he'd do wrong as head of creative for them during his tenure. I wish I'd have saved it, because it's hilarious.
@henrygvidonas9573 Ha! "RuBros" that's hysterical! 😄 I especially love this term because the times that I HAVE seen an interview with Vince Russo, he was constantly saying, "Bro! Bro! Bro!", like a high-schooler who NEVER grew up. I agree with Cornette that the biggest thing that Russo had going for him was that the WWF has Steve Austin and Dwayne Johnson, and their stars come out of nowhere, back to back. Vince McMahon used to keep in check a lot of Russo's ideas, as even VKM understood that you can kill business by "hotshoting" the booking too much. It's a shame he (VKM) forgot that years later. And we all saw what Russo did in both WCW and TNA when let off his leash. He was just a "shock-jock" when it came to booking. Russo is just clueless.
Evan is so right about DSotR potentially just being Jim. The only thing I like more than the episodes themselves are the reviews and reactions on the Experience, which like this podcast, just offer so much back story and detail that I just can't get enough.
"I spent the first few years trying to reach him, and then I realised that what lay behind those black eyes was so evil that it must be covered up and kept away from society." In his first 30 seconds of talking Cornette has destroyed Russo 😂
That's why people either love him or hate him. They love him because he speaks the truth and validates other people's thoughts and they hate him because he's telling others what they love and their way of going about it is wrong.
People talk about uncle Dave being a wrestling historian. Corny is like a walking, wise cracking pro wrestling encyclopedia. And the best part unlike these dirt sheet geeks he was actually in the business!
Jim is the greatest mind in wrestling. You don’t have to agree with everything he says. I don’t. But he is more knowledgeable of this sport than anyone. Ever.
The Attitude Era is a lot like Classic Rock radio. All you get nowadays is Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc, so you remember it so fondly. But if you were actually listening to what 2 hrs of radio REALLY sounded like in the 70s, you'd think "well 30min of that was incredible, but man, that other 90 sucked." And that's Vince Russo in a nutshell... at his very best... with McMahon to approve his stuff... with Jim and Bruce to "wrestle-fy" it. With JR to sell it. With Austin, Rock, Vince, Foley, and HHH to go out and do it.... And Sable walking around in pasties.
Great analogy and exactly how I feel about the Attitude Era. I was 16 in 1997, so peak age for the demographic they were aiming for and yeah, I enjoyed some moments here and there and had fun talking about Raw with my friends on Tuesday mornings but it was true garbage. It was only popular because it fit right in with the rest of the lame late 90's "aggro nu-metal/ Hot Topic/South Park/Jerry Springer/ Insane Clown Posse white trash" bullshit that was going on at the same time. Watching anything from that era these days is cringy as fuck.
@SonicAlchemy13 thanks man. I was 8 when HBK lost to Austin. My parents only let me watch WCW, so I had to switch to Raw but keep the remote in hand with my thumb on the "last channel" button lmao.
@@zachary_attackery Oh no, lol. Americans are so afraid of that word, it's hilarious. Let me guess, you would also think Booker T is racist because he used the word in his infamous promo against Hogan or is it ok, if black people use it against white people? And let's not forget, that it was Russo, who got sued for his blatant racism (alongside Terry Taylor) in WCW
Didn't Jim almost legitimately beat a guy to death with a bat over some beef? The dude has issues; it sounds like he's the type who is all right if you stay on his good side but can be a vindictive psycho if you piss him off.
Jim called a female server at Wendy's a cunt and threatened to hit her because his order was late. Jim has shown massive ignorance to anything outside of the United States on numerous occasions on his podcasts ( check his Saudi comments) as for Stupid? Jim actually believes that January 6th was an attempted overthrow of the government 😂. 3 boxes ticked.
People seem to gloss over that Jim Cornette was the better man and gave Vince Russo a second shot while at TNA. And once again Russo went politicking and Corny was out; again. If Russo was such a genius, why did WCW fail? Oh, that's right; it was everyone else's fault.
My personal opinion was Russo ensured WCW couldn’t escape the hole it already dug for itself All the pre-existing politicking by the likes of Hogan and Nash and Bishoff poor handling of all the egos he kept on hiring started the downward trend that only truly showed itself when said actions ultimately became very noticeable: Starrcade 97’s ending, the failure to properly utilize Bret Hart, Nash booking himself to beat Goldberg and in a pathetic way, and him actually HAVING said book
Never gonna happen. Corny gets more heat from his castle in the middle of nowhere Kentucky than people actively on TV can. Also, pretty sure hating being around most people in person, and hating traveling preclude him from ever doing it.
He actually kinda used to have one. Check out the Back To The Territories shoot interview series that Kayfabe Commentaries produced with him some years back. I have copies of every installment and they're great!
I do think one reason why Cornette might also detest Russo might be because Russo is partly responsible for what would be the death of Owen. It was clearly Russo's idea for the stupid stunt, mainly to make Owen look dumb. I don't blame Cornette for hating Russo, I find his work to be tastless.
@@PHILD0 It wasn't the same stunt crew and even if, don't forget, that Sting also nearly died the first time because the crew screwed up the harness. Sting talked about that last year.
@@ShadowAngel606Yep, I've heard there was talk of hiring the same rigging crew that Sting trusted but Vince/WWE thought they were too expensive so they hired someone else.
@@PHILD0 It wasn't the same crew that worked with Sting in WCW. The crew for the stunt in the Kemper Arena wasn't even the same one that had worked with Owen in the WWF before the fall. That rigging team refused to use quick release mechanisms on the harness, because they thought they were too dangerous. McMahon and Russo thought the release process had taken way too long and made the stunt look stupid before. The original crew stood their ground and was either fired or quit - and the WWF found other people who were willing to take the risk. We all know what happened next.
It was nearly harder for Russo to write for this great talent he had to work with. To get the best out of them. He doesn't get the credit he deserves in general. There's a lot of saps who just become sheep and say"eff Vince Russo" because it's the trendy thing to do
Definitely something to how cornette talks about things. I listen to both of his shows,and to me, couldn't care less about the wrestling reviews really. He's talking about the weather, the mail,grocery shopping,whatever insignificant normal activity, and makes it a hilarious 6 part miniseries or something. His stories about going to the post office during covid,& the "meat gentleman" at the grocery store were solid gold. 😂
Love Corny, he's a champion and defender of all that is right and true in pro wrestling. No funny business, invisible men or blow-up dolls. The way it should be.
two completely different formats. Russo does not do AEW, Cornette does (majority of Cornette's views come from critique content) Russo's platform is mainly based on promoting content that is behind a paywall to Cornette's full podcast available on UA-cam with highlights.
55 minutes of this video and I hear the name Big Boss Man. Didn't have that on my bingo card, but he doesn't get enough credit for the talent he was. It always makes me smile to remember him.
Russo doesn’t seem to understand the concept that YES, everyone knows fundamentally that wrestling isn’t real. That’s how we can see a man take multiple headshots but still be standing. (As MMA has shown everyone, one pop to the head is all it really takes.) So the viewer knows it’s fake. But we all buy into it for the story. And a swerve occasionally can serve to wake a complacent audience up. But as the director of “the Sixth Sense”’s career illustrates, when you bank on the swerve every damn time, people tune out. According to Russo, plays are a dead art from cuz we have film now bro! It’s two different perspectives: Cornette sees the world through the eyes of a wrestler looking out at the audience, whereas Russo identifies with the audience. He’s the outsider looking in.
Wait does Vinny Ru really think that plays/stage shows are obsolete? If he does he’s dead to me. He already sort of was because I couldn’t agree with Corny more, but I cut Russo a tiny bit of slack. But if he really believes that about plays/stage shows, then that proves he’s 1000% irredeemable.
@@TraciPeteyforlifeI’d say he’s more a combo of the most blatant of casual fan (those the tune in every so often and regularly forget major stars or mispronounce names) and Attitude Era’s worst fan: Horny Dude Bros The latter being the case with the obnoxious (in my opinion looking back on AE shows and PPVs) levels of women being largely eye candy with the most worthless “matches” and champions in name only (minus a rare few and even some were around early for titillation then anything else) And over emphasis on masculinity of men with more inclination to promos and faction interference then a coherent and well structured match I mean look no further then how ultimately terribly the likes of Vader and Steve Williams were booked in WWF over Japan
The same issue happened with Dusty, he had a lot of good ideas and brought good matches and finishes but the main 1 became so over used every week (the dusty finish as is known) that people grew to hate it and blame dusty for everything. Not saying Russo ever had good ideas, just another comment about over use of 1 thing
Jim is old school, which is not everyone's cup of tea, however, he is great to get information from due to his vast wrestling knowledge. His podcasts are fantastic. Also, you can't forget how absolutely hilarious he is, especially when he is angry. Vince Russo, however, is an idiot and is only good for one thing, and that is giving Jim more material and making him mad.
Even the folks who hate on Jim listen to his podcasts. I personally love the guy,one of the last old school legends still making a mark in the business.
Fuck Vince Russo. He needed a Vince Mcmahon sized filter to have the only real success he ever sniffed. Jim Cornette is the best promo in the history of the buisness. He also transitioned to into a very strong podcasting career. Still love listening to Corny shoot for hours every single week.
Vince Mcmahon filter that gave us Goggledy Gooker, Goon and other great characters? Vince Mcmahon had his 80s success while Pat Patterson was heavily involved and the late 90s success when Russo was the one to capitalise in the shift pop culture had from early 90s to late 90s. Vince Mcmahon as filter argument just does not work when taking a look at what we was given between 1993-1996 without Pat Patterson around creatively and what we got in the last 22 years Vince Mcmahon was in the charge... in the last 22 years WWE has only been able to create 1 big star (John Cena)
@@michaelcarter983 your argument falls apart when taking a look at the product between 1993-1996 and the last 20 years of Mcmahon's leadership. Vince Mcmahon surrounded himself with right people when it comes to creative process, Once he did not have right people around him he started to crumble because he himself was not that creative, his run without Pat Patterson and the last 20 years a great example of it. only big major star (Austin, The Rock caliber) they have created without Pat Patterson or Russo being involved is John Cena even Russo has credited Vince Mcmahon as being great person when it comes to small details that would bump up a segment from being A to being A+.
@@zachary_attackery If there wasn't a filter, why was Russo so absolutely horrendous in WCW? And in TNA? And a ratings killer in both? Oh and Cornette's promotion at least ran for 5 years when pro wrestling in the US was in a massive downward spiral. Russo's crap promotion lasted TWO SHOWS.
Russo isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Cornette. Looking back, Russo got very lucky with stars who made the Attitude Era big, which is why he could never replicate it elsewhere. He was so sloppy and Cornette was the one who had to be a major player in making the show make sense and telling the talent what to do and how to make the crap ideas work. One is very clearly a treasure for professional wrestling, and the other got lucky.
I don’t think Jim hated Vince because his ideas got shows over them what Vince himself doesn’t even understand was that it’s not like they were just solely Vince‘s ideas. You had a whole team around him, including Vince McMahon, Jim, himself, Jim, Ross, Bruce, Pritchard, etc. that had to take Vince Russo‘s ideas and actually make them make sense. The proof is in the pudding because you look at what happened to TNA. That company completely fell apart under Vince Russo‘s creative direction. Same thing with WCW. The times that it was just Vince Russo‘s raw idea. It failed miserably every time. And Jim was right I mean the attitude error couldn’t last forever . How many times have we seen someone do a higher dive or jump then mankind did it hell at the sale and it just absolutely means nothing? Bumps like that or taken twice a month like 24 times a year practically and nobody gives a shit because it’s just been done. It’s why I think ultimately ECW was going to go away, no matter what happened financially because you can only push the envelope so far but before there’s no more envelope, you push that motherfucker off a cliff.
Turner (Herd) turned it into cheap content for his stations, making it less about drawing power and more about commercialization. Robocop, Oz, etc, just went downhill till the NWO
I get that writing and then adjusting can be help with making sure something that weakens the concept is less featured. However, people like Russo and (WWE for a long time) would be reliant on it, leading to concepts go absolutely nowhere, because they've become to used to aiming for that specific moment of gratification. Russo and now AEW rarely write anything that they aim for to follow a natural story arch and then conclude. Everything always just ends up suddenly dropped, as they've blown through everything, leading to nothing. If you look at Wrestlemania 15, the Rock-Austin feud was enormous, but McMahon would be in more control over that. The rest of the card is filled with nothing happening matches, which is what Russo was tasked with. They are matches that would be on any Raw at the time or any PPV undercard. Wrestlemania is meant to be the conclusion of it all, where you have building for months to get towards. When Russo gets involved, none of that happens. You also need swerves to make sense, and Russo NEVER had them make sense, they just happened.
I remember Cornette talking about Kane and his creation up to his first appearance. Cornette said Russo wanted Kane vs Undertaker at the next PPV, McMahon refused and said Wrestlemania, about 6 months out.
The attitude era worked because the whole world at the time was very similar to what was in ring. Crash tv, girls gone wild, bum fights, Korn and limp bizkit, there was an angst to the late 90s that the wwe was able to fit in mainstream society
Cornette is very old school, brilliant mind for all things wrestling and legitimately loves wrestling. Russo is about shock value, his love is for his own ideas and not the people who are performing those ideas. He has a sense of arrogance who blames the performers and not the bad idea. The attitude era would have never been created by Cornette though. Its not his style at all. The time and place for everything. Cornette is right about how hard it would be to maintain shock and awe.
As a toddler in the late 1970s, here in Minnesota, I watched the AWA. Later on I got into the WWF, and I was a super fan. Our family didn’t have the money to have cable all of the time, so I didn’t see Atlanta superstation too often. But once in a while, I would catch the NWA. I always looked forward to the next wrestling event. I was a devoted fan. Wrestling was magic. I left wrestling as a devoted fan the moment summer slam 93 went off the air. I was done. I was still a casual fan, and I would peek at it once in a while. But I HATED the attitude era. And I HATED the NWO. I remember back then, describing it as “wrestling is going through a dark ages”. I’ve never been a devoted fan again.
Here's the thing, is Cornette pretty antagonistic against alot of modern wrestling...yes. Is Vince Russo a representative of what's wrong with alot of modern wrestling...also yes.
Name a single thing Russo did that has anything to do with modern wrestling. Russo literally made a career out of complaining about modern wrestling the same way Cornette does
@@zachary_attackery A lot of the crap Russo introduced is still used. Belts being props and passed around like a 2 dollar hooker being the prime example. He was also behind the whole idiotic "worked shoot" stuff.
For all his faults, he did help spur the resurgence of WWF in the late 90s. Yes he was part of a team. Yes it had to filter thru Vince McMahon, but he was a major voice in getting away from the cartoonish mid 90s and he did make it a point to involve lower card talent in storylines. That said, his negatives IMO outweigh his positives as seen in every single time he was given creative control after he left WWF.
That's a bit harsh. When he worked for WWF and had editors that he had to answer to, it kept a lot of his crazier shit away from the screen, while allowing his good ideas to be televised. The problem with Russo is he should never have been given the book or allowed to be the solo creative force in a wrestling company, without oversight.
@@FinalDisintegrationIn no company did Russo write solo. In WWE, WCW and TNA. He was always apart of a team. But people love acting like he only had a team in WWE. Which is a lie.
I can understand the viewpoint from McMahon, who I think had the right idea to bring an outsider in for fresh ideas but meanwhile having old school guys like Cornette, Ross and Prichard to reinforce the lineage of what makes wrestling what it is. What I find infuriating about him is he takes credit for what went right and anything that went wrong with his idea is not his fault. It seems to me, though, that what Cornette hated most about Russo is that he just refused to understand the craft of what the trio of old schoolers tried to teach him. Honestly, Vince Russo is the Ultimate Warrior of bookers. He had a quick rise and some unprecedented success, but he never saw pro-wrestling as anything to take seriously and has a one track mind on what it is to him. Which is why the success could not be sustained.
The interesting thing about this statement is that I made me think of my own opinions. I'm from the 80s but I was a teen in the late 90s. Formative years but so long ago. There was a difference in the air. 96 to 2003 are so different from everything before or after. The "xtreme! Babes! Dude!" Bro stuff of that era- thankfully- doesn't exist anymore. And I guess it's Vince Russo existed only in the late 90s it would've been perfect - but he was so of his time, he's now dated and I think cornett is more foundational and, in someways, timeless.
It's like how I prefer what they like to call hair metal and grunge rock. I used to hate grunge with a passion blaming it for killing glam. But I learned that both had their flaws and even learned to like grunge. My problem was in the 90s. Why couldn't you have both. That's what I think cornette and Russo should have done have a little of both.
Cornette is far more entertaining to listen to, especially over the past few years. However, Jim has talked mass smack for years and you can find the videos here on UA-cam. Several times Russo has attempted to set up face to face encounters to make money, to give to charity, to squash the beef and its always been Jim to decline. So while i find Corny more entertaining and am far more likely to visit his channel, I give this feud to Russo because he clearly has bigger balls.
Hard disagree. Dude stated he knows he has anger issues and would not be in control of himself if they had a face to face. Takes self awareness to realize when you may not have full control of your emotions. If you never hated someone enough to understand that just be glad you have lived a nice life.
The Boss is right about if you combined their talents they'd be great. We've seen it in action. If you combine weekly crazy storytelling and giving everyone something interesting to do with long term stories and the know how to build the big match you get Paul Heyman.
Whether you like Russo or not, he had those positions because of the promoters. For all of the hate Jim Cornette has for Russo, it's interesting he doesn't distribute a good portion of that hate towards the people who employed him. They had final say on every direction he took.
Saying Russo and Corny are kinda the same isn't totally wrong. They're like God and Satan. Republican and Democrat. They both believe in their way of doing things and will fight to the death that they're right and other is wrong. If they ever do an episode on the Cornette/Russo rivalry a good title would be: "Two Sides of the Same Coin: Cornette vs. Russo"
Yeah people didn't really care what Doc had accomplished. He had the mic skills of a dishcloth. He wasn't going to do it. In Japan or another country maybe ? Or just Texas and Oklahoma. But Vince was the ultimate heel to Austin's face. I was 13 so I didn't have a job. I hated my boss though lol. That's how good that shit was. It was the greatest angle ever. People wanted to see this guy kick his boss ass. I think even the people who didn't buy into the magic anymore simply cheered because Vince was willing to participate for the good of the company. He was taking bumps and shit to get his product over. That's why people ate it up. To that extent it was very real
could see it working as a short term feud to fill out the year, but other than that you'd have to make Austin look weak to get Doc over him - SCSA's whole gimmick is being the toughest guy around and without a manager in late 90s US wrestling, Dr Death was only going to get over on TV with Goldberg's booking.
Cornette is hated by many but I’m fond of his insight into the old school wrestling industry. Vince Russo on the other hand should be hated by all. Biggest shit stain in the universe, can’t stand the guy.
Attitude era was a group of guys, Corny, Ross, Bruce, and sh!tstain included, and VMcM had the final say. Russo sounds like he's taking FULL credit for that?! No, full credit is him alone killing WCW then TNA. That's him alone. WWF back then, he was a cog. Plus Corny is better in every way lolz
Can't get past russo's annoying accent. I've heard many New Yorkers talk but even some of my real life NY friends don't jave accents as annoying as his. They've even said they can't stand his.
Cornette is the real deal. He knows wrestling inside and out. He can recall a wrestling match from decades ago and relate it to an angle taking place in the current wrestling era. Russo does not have that same passion or experience. He thought his way was going to work. Anyone with past experience is “old” and “tired”. There was NO way these two were going to find common ground.
I am a lifelong fan of pro wrestling. My ex-wife used to grouse at me, "I can't believe an intelligent entrepreneur of your caliber can watch this shit. It's fake." But I always told her, "I know what it is. I know how it works. I know it is scripted. I know the sacrifices they make. Their injuries aren't fake. They sacrifice their health for the sake of the show. They are my heroes." I I used to go to shows when I was a kid. My granny took me. The TV station where the stars only beat on jobbers. I knew the outcomes in advance. I went anyway. Hell, it was free, We paid to watch at the fairgrounds. And, even though the REAL Sheikh's bouts were almost always screw jobs, I still went. I loved the heels most of all. My granny wanted to fight them, lol... I want to see you cover some of the lesser-known guys who were the staples of the old days. Rocky Johnson is one of the few faces I loved, though he would probably fade into obscurity if not for his son, The Rock. Racism was huge back then. I credit men like Rocky and Bobo Brazil for being faces white kids learned to love regardless of the racism we faced at home back then. Dr. Big Bill Miller, The Mighty Igor (who was Mexican not polish, lol), Iron Mike Loren (a.k.a Porky the pig, and iron mike long before Tyson), Man Mountain Canon (aka crybaby canon), and the original Shiekh (Farhat), Lord Athol Layton, "Wild" Bull Curry, Angelo Poffo, Ernie Ladd, The Stomper, Killer Karl Kox, and all the other unsung heroes. Add them please.
Mr. Russo wants us to believe that he is a big factor in the WWE Attitude Era. This is the guy who came up with David Arquette becoming champion, The Brawl for it All, Ruining Mike Awesome and Bash at the Beach 2000. Nuff said.
Well it couldn't happen in the same room but on a video call or something would be great but it would quickly go south and have no order to it without a strict moderator and a mute button lol
The Brawl For All could've worked if they didn't do Boxing. They had two UFC originals working for them. There was a legit grappler in that tournament. Who by the way the entire tournament was being made for in the first place. Because it totally makes sense to handicap the guy you're trying to push right? Hell one of the UFC guys was in that tournament. They even had a Karate Black Belt. The concept was fine because we've seen that Pro Wrestlers can learn how to fight. The execution is what ruined it.
If you're going to go on about Russo's flippant lie about Montreal, own it or don't. The mealy mouthed 'well maybe something didn't quite work there' undercut it. They must want him for more projects.
Id love to watch just a weekly round table of Jim, Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Lawler & Dutch Mantel or various guys. Ive always loved the minds who were such a huge part of the Mid South/Wrestling minds
39:00... I Remember Watching "TheBrawl for All" as it Aired. & *EVERYBODY,* Including Me, Thought "Dr.Death" Was Gonna Win "TheBrawl for All". & While Watching "TheBrawl for All", I Began to Think (as an 80's (81) Kid), *EXACTLY* What Cornette Says to "ShitStain", After "Dr.Death" Got "Gassed&Whacked".🤔 (& I Was a Kid!) & That's About TheTime I Stopped Watching "Wrestling" on TV, & Began to Watch "X-Files" & "StarTrek:TNG", & "In Living Color" & "MADTV"... Pretty Much "FOX" Television, Instead of "Wrestling".
All Cornette was asking for was to have things make sense. In WCW Russo had Sting and Goldberg turn heel for no reason whatsoever. It made no sense, but Russo thought it was great storytelling.
I can listen to all of these same stories between Corny and Shitstain every single day. There was nothing new here and yet I ate it up just like I do every single time! Like many I have a ton of interests in life and 80s-early 00s wrestling is just 1 of them (idc about mid 00s to present wrestling lol) but I don't think there is anything on YT I get more excited for than a good ol Corny and Shitstain discussion!!
Cornette was trying to push the Rock n Roll Express in the WWF in 1998. On his Kayfabe Commentaries Guest Booker he booked the Undertaker vs Terry Funk at Wrestlemania 18 in 2002. Nuff said about his booking philosophy.
There are moments where I wonder, if, in the first few months of Corny & Russo's acquaintance, despite their differences Jim possibly responded well to and *liked* Vince quite a bit, as a person? And even embraced Vince as a potential friend and student? Or at least friendly ally, at first (for a very brief time). Because that would explain the sudden, sharp, vitriolic turn in opinion and sense of personal betrayal that Jim seems to feel over Vince's (often indefensible) flippant idiocy. Know that I understand *anyone* being extremely annoyed with Vince or dismissive of him, but to feel as deep and viscerally as Jim does about him? Like he's been scorned or jilted? After all these years? The opposite of love is apathy, not hatred, just saying.
I can see Cornette just loose it if Russo were in his sights. Like Corny, I cannot stand Vince Russo as he has ruined wrestling and treated it like a joke
“I’m going to do everything I can to live long enough to piss on your grave.” 😂 gotta love Jim.
And he said he was gonna dance on Jim Herd's grave 😂😂😂😂
Everything including eating triple cheeseburgers from Wendy's every day.
That's the only reason I do
Boy I was a death merchant for 18 years (funeral director retired),is that the first grave jokes yall heard?
Guess what? Business at the funeral home is DEAD.
GUESS what else?people are just dying to get into the funeral home !!! HEY!!!
I put the FUN(in)(fun)erall!!!
Let the knee slapping begin!
Russo>Cornette
Jim is Jelly!
Jim doesn't hate everyone from New York, he literally does a podcast with someone from New York (or nearby, same thing) it's just Russo, he's so unlikable
Russo and Kevin Dunn lol
@@mattm7798 I didn't know where Dunn was from exactly lol
Aw,bro....
I think Brian is from New Jersey so definitely not far from New York. He's certainly a big Mets fan.
The GREAT Brian Last
Cornette tells a great story where he was talking to Russo backstage about the format of that night's RAW, and he was saying to Russo that there were too many DQs (it might have been almost every match). Russo responded with, "DQ, schmee-Q! Nobody cares!" and Cornette got hot and got right in Russo's face over that flippant response. Russo got scared and complained to McMahon, leading to a caution for Cornette.
It isn't only a mere difference in booking philosophy. Cornette has more serious allegations against Russo such as being indirectly responsible for Owen Heart's death because it was Russo's idea to make him the Blue Blazer again. He also hates Russo and Ed Ferrara for doing the Oklahoma character which pretty much just made fun of JR's Bell's Palsy.
Funny how the RuBros don't even know that Cornette wrote the TV formats and timed the TV shows for the WWF during Russo's time on creative. He wrote, directed, and produced the entire TV shows for SMW and OVW. Russo could never do that, he's completely clueless about the technical side of television.
Get off of Russo nutsack Cornette was jealous plain and simple Russo had the ideas that worked and corny didn’t he was jealous.
There's a radio interview with Russo right before he took control of WCW, and he basically blueprints everything he'd do wrong as head of creative for them during his tenure. I wish I'd have saved it, because it's hilarious.
@henrygvidonas9573 Ha!
"RuBros" that's hysterical! 😄
I especially love this term because the times that I HAVE seen an interview with Vince Russo, he was constantly saying, "Bro! Bro! Bro!", like a high-schooler who NEVER grew up.
I agree with Cornette that the biggest thing that Russo had going for him was that the WWF has Steve Austin and Dwayne Johnson, and their stars come out of nowhere, back to back.
Vince McMahon used to keep in check a lot of Russo's ideas, as even VKM understood that you can kill business by "hotshoting" the booking too much.
It's a shame he (VKM) forgot that years later.
And we all saw what Russo did in both WCW and TNA when let off his leash.
He was just a "shock-jock" when it came to booking.
Russo is just clueless.
That, almost ALL DQ episode of “RAW” just showed up on “Reliving the War,” and it’s just as painful to watch 20 years later.
Forget Austin vs McMahon. Cornette vs Russo is the TRUE rivalry of the Attitude Era!
"I get up in morning and do my morning Russo" - Jim Cornette
I call it Rockin' a Dukakis. An homage to the campaign slogan for 1988 Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis.
@@BATM_Media dork
Yeah, it's proably time to retire that old stupid joke
I call it making a Vince McMudmonkey or dumping a Trump.
Evan is so right about DSotR potentially just being Jim.
The only thing I like more than the episodes themselves are the reviews and reactions on the Experience, which like this podcast, just offer so much back story and detail that I just can't get enough.
I've been asking for this on Twitter. This needs to be televised!!!
"I spent the first few years trying to reach him, and then I realised that what lay behind those black eyes was so evil that it must be covered up and kept away from society."
In his first 30 seconds of talking Cornette has destroyed Russo 😂
Talked about him like he was the shape 😭😭😭😭
That was a reference to Michael Meyers/a quote from Halloween 1.
@@kevinsolis5746 lol yes, Halloween H20 paraphrase.
I caught the parallel immediately as well!
They seriously need to do a full dark side episode on Russo and Cornette.
Surprised they haven’t yet
A match between them would draw money even if they were both elderly. A boxing match at wrestlemania between two elderly wrestling bookers.
@@michaelromandel9022jim said he is down to fight but no witnesses, no money, it's personal.
YES PLEASE
I agree! This season was soo boring.
If you put Russo in a battle of wits with Cornette, Jim would win by default as Russo would be unarmed
Not really. Russo uses more logic in his arguments. Cornette is just good at ad hominem attacks.
Stolen phrase here....
@@truthtransistorradio6716Russo uses logic? That is comedic gold
Love him or hate him, Jim Cornette makes valid points with his two cents.
That's why people either love him or hate him. They love him because he speaks the truth and validates other people's thoughts and they hate him because he's telling others what they love and their way of going about it is wrong.
@@BabyfaceThompson Jim has the memory of an elephant.
@@BabyfaceThompsonNot wrong , bad .
He is such a historian, that we need to preserve his brain when he passes.
I disagree
Proud to be a card carrying member of the Cult of Cornette!!
WITH EXTRA CHEESE!!
Secret handshake initiated 🤝
.... And... proceed to laugh at the marks 😂
I've looked in bars, I've looked in cars, and here you are!
Hawwww!!
well wouldn't you know who won the pony?
Real wrestling fans love Cornette
love corny. his political opinion, not so much.
@@garymoye2819 He only hates Trump because he hates everybody from New York, Bro.
@@garymoye2819 Agreed - love to hear him talk about the history of wrestling but when it turns to politics it is cringe.
@@garymoye2819😂😂😂 I love people have to make clear that they’re not a “lib” just because they like Cornetts’s crazy takes.
What Charles Barkley is for the NBA on TNT Jim Cornette is for pro wrestling
People talk about uncle Dave being a wrestling historian. Corny is like a walking, wise cracking pro wrestling encyclopedia. And the best part unlike these dirt sheet geeks he was actually in the business!
Jim is the greatest mind in wrestling. You don’t have to agree with everything he says. I don’t. But he is more knowledgeable of this sport than anyone. Ever.
I crack a smile every time i hear Jim say "💩 stain"
The Attitude Era is a lot like Classic Rock radio. All you get nowadays is Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc, so you remember it so fondly. But if you were actually listening to what 2 hrs of radio REALLY sounded like in the 70s, you'd think "well 30min of that was incredible, but man, that other 90 sucked."
And that's Vince Russo in a nutshell... at his very best... with McMahon to approve his stuff... with Jim and Bruce to "wrestle-fy" it. With JR to sell it. With Austin, Rock, Vince, Foley, and HHH to go out and do it.... And Sable walking around in pasties.
Or, if Vinny Mac and Vinny Ru had their way, Sable walking around in “white cotton panties”. Lmfao
@@augustushaynes1311 lol exactly
Great analogy and exactly how I feel about the Attitude Era. I was 16 in 1997, so peak age for the demographic they were aiming for and yeah, I enjoyed some moments here and there and had fun talking about Raw with my friends on Tuesday mornings but it was true garbage. It was only popular because it fit right in with the rest of the lame late 90's "aggro nu-metal/ Hot Topic/South Park/Jerry Springer/ Insane Clown Posse white trash" bullshit that was going on at the same time. Watching anything from that era these days is cringy as fuck.
@@augustushaynes1311 more like have her wearing pasties and dental floss for underwear
@SonicAlchemy13 thanks man. I was 8 when HBK lost to Austin. My parents only let me watch WCW, so I had to switch to Raw but keep the remote in hand with my thumb on the "last channel" button lmao.
Jim doesn’t like stupid, ignorant or disrespectful people and Russo falls under every category
There was literally a video that just came out of Cornette using the N word multiple times...and that's in ADDITION to the old video of him saying it
@@zachary_attackery Oh no, lol. Americans are so afraid of that word, it's hilarious. Let me guess, you would also think Booker T is racist because he used the word in his infamous promo against Hogan or is it ok, if black people use it against white people?
And let's not forget, that it was Russo, who got sued for his blatant racism (alongside Terry Taylor) in WCW
Didn't Jim almost legitimately beat a guy to death with a bat over some beef? The dude has issues; it sounds like he's the type who is all right if you stay on his good side but can be a vindictive psycho if you piss him off.
Jim called a female server at Wendy's a cunt and threatened to hit her because his order was late. Jim has shown massive ignorance to anything outside of the United States on numerous occasions on his podcasts ( check his Saudi comments) as for Stupid? Jim actually believes that January 6th was an attempted overthrow of the government 😂. 3 boxes ticked.
Isn’t that the same guy who threatened to murder Brock lesnar over a botched spot?
Russo and cornette are the 50 cent and ja rule of wrestling it will never be over 😅
Nice hahaha
@thomasanthony4012 the jungle part was not needed but ok
Or Nas vs Jay Z lol
"Aro Lucha" was Russo's Fyre Fest
@@thomasanthony4012Have you ever heard about the Emancipation Proclamation?
People seem to gloss over that Jim Cornette was the better man and gave Vince Russo a second shot while at TNA. And once again Russo went politicking and Corny was out; again. If Russo was such a genius, why did WCW fail? Oh, that's right; it was everyone else's fault.
My personal opinion was Russo ensured WCW couldn’t escape the hole it already dug for itself
All the pre-existing politicking by the likes of Hogan and Nash and Bishoff poor handling of all the egos he kept on hiring started the downward trend that only truly showed itself when said actions ultimately became very noticeable:
Starrcade 97’s ending, the failure to properly utilize Bret Hart, Nash booking himself to beat Goldberg and in a pathetic way, and him actually HAVING said book
They should just give Jim his on wrestling history show. The mans knowledge on the business is unmatched by anyone else still breathing.
Never gonna happen. Corny gets more heat from his castle in the middle of nowhere Kentucky than people actively on TV can. Also, pretty sure hating being around most people in person, and hating traveling preclude him from ever doing it.
He has that. It’s his podcast
He'd be a great host for WWE Treasures.
Or teach academic classes on pro-wrestling history
He actually kinda used to have one. Check out the Back To The Territories shoot interview series that Kayfabe Commentaries produced with him some years back. I have copies of every installment and they're great!
I do think one reason why Cornette might also detest Russo might be because Russo is partly responsible for what would be the death of Owen. It was clearly Russo's idea for the stupid stunt, mainly to make Owen look dumb.
I don't blame Cornette for hating Russo, I find his work to be tastless.
The same stunt crew set up Sting multiple times though. Owen Hart was a freak accident.
@@PHILD0 It wasn't the same stunt crew and even if, don't forget, that Sting also nearly died the first time because the crew screwed up the harness. Sting talked about that last year.
@@ShadowAngel606Yep, I've heard there was talk of hiring the same rigging crew that Sting trusted but Vince/WWE thought they were too expensive so they hired someone else.
@@PHILD0 It wasn't the same crew that worked with Sting in WCW. The crew for the stunt in the Kemper Arena wasn't even the same one that had worked with Owen in the WWF before the fall. That rigging team refused to use quick release mechanisms on the harness, because they thought they were too dangerous. McMahon and Russo thought the release process had taken way too long and made the stunt look stupid before. The original crew stood their ground and was either fired or quit - and the WWF found other people who were willing to take the risk.
We all know what happened next.
Blatantly false. Russo had no saying on how the rig was set up. Marks will repeat anything they hear cucknette say.
Most of the fans hate S*** Stain. TNA crowd use to chant " Fire Russo "
There's an interview with Dutch Mantell where he's like "no one ever chanted fire Dutch, fire Dutch". LMAO
Why would the fans hate Russo? They don’t know him and he has zero to do with their lives. If he does then those fans need a life
@@TL2354 Perhaps you've not heard of wrestling fans until now?
I dont like Russo but Cornette gives the most cringiest "nicknames" to insult another wrestler
It was nearly harder for Russo to write for this great talent he had to work with. To get the best out of them. He doesn't get the credit he deserves in general. There's a lot of saps who just become sheep and say"eff Vince Russo" because it's the trendy thing to do
Definitely something to how cornette talks about things. I listen to both of his shows,and to me, couldn't care less about the wrestling reviews really. He's talking about the weather, the mail,grocery shopping,whatever insignificant normal activity, and makes it a hilarious 6 part miniseries or something. His stories about going to the post office during covid,& the "meat gentleman" at the grocery store were solid gold. 😂
Did you hear the one at that Dairy Queen ?
Love Corny, he's a champion and defender of all that is right and true in pro wrestling. No funny business, invisible men or blow-up dolls. The way it should be.
Jim Cornette=over 400,000 subscribers. Vince Russo=50,000 subscribers. That says it all.
LMAOOOOO
49,000 of Russo's subs are hate-follows
I'm one of those few who subscribe to both.
two completely different formats.
Russo does not do AEW, Cornette does (majority of Cornette's views come from critique content) Russo's platform is mainly based on promoting content that is behind a paywall to Cornette's full podcast available on UA-cam with highlights.
i subscribe to both, Both are entertaining in their own ways
55 minutes of this video and I hear the name Big Boss Man. Didn't have that on my bingo card, but he doesn't get enough credit for the talent he was. It always makes me smile to remember him.
Russo doesn’t seem to understand the concept that YES, everyone knows fundamentally that wrestling isn’t real. That’s how we can see a man take multiple headshots but still be standing. (As MMA has shown everyone, one pop to the head is all it really takes.) So the viewer knows it’s fake. But we all buy into it for the story. And a swerve occasionally can serve to wake a complacent audience up. But as the director of “the Sixth Sense”’s career illustrates, when you bank on the swerve every damn time, people tune out.
According to Russo, plays are a dead art from cuz we have film now bro!
It’s two different perspectives: Cornette sees the world through the eyes of a wrestler looking out at the audience, whereas Russo identifies with the audience. He’s the outsider looking in.
Wait does Vinny Ru really think that plays/stage shows are obsolete? If he does he’s dead to me. He already sort of was because I couldn’t agree with Corny more, but I cut Russo a tiny bit of slack. But if he really believes that about plays/stage shows, then that proves he’s 1000% irredeemable.
I would argue that Russo doesn't even identify with the crowd.
@@TraciPeteyforlifeI’d say he’s more a combo of the most blatant of casual fan (those the tune in every so often and regularly forget major stars or mispronounce names) and Attitude Era’s worst fan: Horny Dude Bros
The latter being the case with the obnoxious (in my opinion looking back on AE shows and PPVs) levels of women being largely eye candy with the most worthless “matches” and champions in name only (minus a rare few and even some were around early for titillation then anything else)
And over emphasis on masculinity of men with more inclination to promos and faction interference then a coherent and well structured match
I mean look no further then how ultimately terribly the likes of Vader and Steve Williams were booked in WWF over Japan
The same issue happened with Dusty, he had a lot of good ideas and brought good matches and finishes but the main 1 became so over used every week (the dusty finish as is known) that people grew to hate it and blame dusty for everything. Not saying Russo ever had good ideas, just another comment about over use of 1 thing
He has no idea what the crowd wants, so no, he doesn't identify with the crowd.
Jim is old school, which is not everyone's cup of tea, however, he is great to get information from due to his vast wrestling knowledge. His podcasts are fantastic. Also, you can't forget how absolutely hilarious he is, especially when he is angry. Vince Russo, however, is an idiot and is only good for one thing, and that is giving Jim more material and making him mad.
Even the folks who hate on Jim listen to his podcasts. I personally love the guy,one of the last old school legends still making a mark in the business.
Russo is to Cornette what Goldberg is to Bret Hart.
I enjoyed what Goldberg did to that overrated has been Bret Hart, serves Bret right for taking the bump the wrong way
@@tobiasfrost86 that's pretty horrible, being happy that a man was injured in the head bad enough to end his career? Real classy.
@@tobiasfrost86goddamn, you're a real asshole. Bret didn't fuckin deserve that
@@jessietaylor790what a shitty thing to say about a human being with a wife and kids
Score...100%
Fuck Vince Russo. He needed a Vince Mcmahon sized filter to have the only real success he ever sniffed. Jim Cornette is the best promo in the history of the buisness. He also transitioned to into a very strong podcasting career. Still love listening to Corny shoot for hours every single week.
Vince Mcmahon filter that gave us Goggledy Gooker, Goon and other great characters? Vince Mcmahon had his 80s success while Pat Patterson was heavily involved and the late 90s success when Russo was the one to capitalise in the shift pop culture had from early 90s to late 90s.
Vince Mcmahon as filter argument just does not work when taking a look at what we was given between 1993-1996 without Pat Patterson around creatively and what we got in the last 22 years Vince Mcmahon was in the charge...
in the last 22 years WWE has only been able to create 1 big star (John Cena)
McMahon didn't "filter" anything Russo did. Cornett's own promotion was a failure and he's been fired from every promotion he's ever worked for
What stupid comments! Like it or not vince mcmahon made every decision 🤔 so all the filter went through him
@@michaelcarter983 your argument falls apart when taking a look at the product between 1993-1996 and the last 20 years of Mcmahon's leadership.
Vince Mcmahon surrounded himself with right people when it comes to creative process, Once he did not have right people around him he started to crumble because he himself was not that creative, his run without Pat Patterson and the last 20 years a great example of it. only big major star (Austin, The Rock caliber) they have created without Pat Patterson or Russo being involved is John Cena
even Russo has credited Vince Mcmahon as being great person when it comes to small details that would bump up a segment from being A to being A+.
@@zachary_attackery If there wasn't a filter, why was Russo so absolutely horrendous in WCW? And in TNA? And a ratings killer in both?
Oh and Cornette's promotion at least ran for 5 years when pro wrestling in the US was in a massive downward spiral. Russo's crap promotion lasted TWO SHOWS.
Russo isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Cornette. Looking back, Russo got very lucky with stars who made the Attitude Era big, which is why he could never replicate it elsewhere. He was so sloppy and Cornette was the one who had to be a major player in making the show make sense and telling the talent what to do and how to make the crap ideas work. One is very clearly a treasure for professional wrestling, and the other got lucky.
Please do a Dark Side episode on Jim Cornette. Russo can be the Darkness. imagine the Dairy Queen reenactment
I don’t think Jim hated Vince because his ideas got shows over them what Vince himself doesn’t even understand was that it’s not like they were just solely Vince‘s ideas. You had a whole team around him, including Vince McMahon, Jim, himself, Jim, Ross, Bruce, Pritchard, etc. that had to take Vince Russo‘s ideas and actually make them make sense.
The proof is in the pudding because you look at what happened to TNA. That company completely fell apart under Vince Russo‘s creative direction. Same thing with WCW. The times that it was just Vince Russo‘s raw idea. It failed miserably every time.
And Jim was right I mean the attitude error couldn’t last forever . How many times have we seen someone do a higher dive or jump then mankind did it hell at the sale and it just absolutely means nothing? Bumps like that or taken twice a month like 24 times a year practically and nobody gives a shit because it’s just been done. It’s why I think ultimately ECW was going to go away, no matter what happened financially because you can only push the envelope so far but before there’s no more envelope, you push that motherfucker off a cliff.
💯
Jim Cornette was right then, and he’s right now. Pro wrestling went downhill quickly when Jim Crockett Jr. sold out to Turner.
Turner (Herd) turned it into cheap content for his stations, making it less about drawing power and more about commercialization. Robocop, Oz, etc, just went downhill till the NWO
I get that writing and then adjusting can be help with making sure something that weakens the concept is less featured. However, people like Russo and (WWE for a long time) would be reliant on it, leading to concepts go absolutely nowhere, because they've become to used to aiming for that specific moment of gratification. Russo and now AEW rarely write anything that they aim for to follow a natural story arch and then conclude. Everything always just ends up suddenly dropped, as they've blown through everything, leading to nothing.
If you look at Wrestlemania 15, the Rock-Austin feud was enormous, but McMahon would be in more control over that. The rest of the card is filled with nothing happening matches, which is what Russo was tasked with. They are matches that would be on any Raw at the time or any PPV undercard. Wrestlemania is meant to be the conclusion of it all, where you have building for months to get towards. When Russo gets involved, none of that happens.
You also need swerves to make sense, and Russo NEVER had them make sense, they just happened.
I remember Cornette talking about Kane and his creation up to his first appearance. Cornette said Russo wanted Kane vs Undertaker at the next PPV, McMahon refused and said Wrestlemania, about 6 months out.
The attitude era worked because the whole world at the time was very similar to what was in ring. Crash tv, girls gone wild, bum fights, Korn and limp bizkit, there was an angst to the late 90s that the wwe was able to fit in mainstream society
I understand Corny here but, I think Cornette vs Bucky Beaver Teeth HIMSELF…is a much better story.
The Cornette/Russo feud is probably my favorite ever in pro wrestling because it is real hate LOL
I also agree with Cornette on Russo being one the people who destroyed the business.
I grew up on the product Russo was getting away with, but have since been converted to the cult of proper believable wrestling.
Cornette is very old school, brilliant mind for all things wrestling and legitimately loves wrestling. Russo is about shock value, his love is for his own ideas and not the people who are performing those ideas. He has a sense of arrogance who blames the performers and not the bad idea.
The attitude era would have never been created by Cornette though. Its not his style at all. The time and place for everything. Cornette is right about how hard it would be to maintain shock and awe.
Exactly 💯
As a toddler in the late 1970s, here in Minnesota, I watched the AWA. Later on I got into the WWF, and I was a super fan. Our family didn’t have the money to have cable all of the time, so I didn’t see Atlanta superstation too often. But once in a while, I would catch the NWA. I always looked forward to the next wrestling event. I was a devoted fan. Wrestling was magic. I left wrestling as a devoted fan the moment summer slam 93 went off the air. I was done. I was still a casual fan, and I would peek at it once in a while. But I HATED the attitude era. And I HATED the NWO. I remember back then, describing it as “wrestling is going through a dark ages”. I’ve never been a devoted fan again.
Here's the thing, is Cornette pretty antagonistic against alot of modern wrestling...yes.
Is Vince Russo a representative of what's wrong with alot of modern wrestling...also yes.
Name a single thing Russo did that has anything to do with modern wrestling. Russo literally made a career out of complaining about modern wrestling the same way Cornette does
Crash TV. Frequent title switches. Hokey angles. Really bad shoot promos. @@zachary_attackery
Russo and Cornette agree on modern wrestling 9 times out of 10. their comments and issues with the current product are similar
Because a lot of modern wrestling is awful. Just worked dancing
@@zachary_attackery A lot of the crap Russo introduced is still used. Belts being props and passed around like a 2 dollar hooker being the prime example. He was also behind the whole idiotic "worked shoot" stuff.
That music at the beginning is badass
As a guy who came of age during this time period, I can say that the “Jerry Springer, South Park, Hot Topic” point was dead on.
I don't think Corny ever wanted to be the head of creative, so I don't know why Shitstain is using that as a bragging point.
The episode I’ve been waiting for!!!
It's unfortunate for wrestling fans that Russo got into the wrestling business
For all his faults, he did help spur the resurgence of WWF in the late 90s. Yes he was part of a team. Yes it had to filter thru Vince McMahon, but he was a major voice in getting away from the cartoonish mid 90s and he did make it a point to involve lower card talent in storylines.
That said, his negatives IMO outweigh his positives as seen in every single time he was given creative control after he left WWF.
That's a bit harsh. When he worked for WWF and had editors that he had to answer to, it kept a lot of his crazier shit away from the screen, while allowing his good ideas to be televised. The problem with Russo is he should never have been given the book or allowed to be the solo creative force in a wrestling company, without oversight.
he literally wrote every attitude era storyline by himself
@@FinalDisintegration he didn't have "editors", he basically wrote what he wanted and that's what ended up on TV
@@FinalDisintegrationIn no company did Russo write solo. In WWE, WCW and TNA. He was always apart of a team. But people love acting like he only had a team in WWE. Which is a lie.
I can understand the viewpoint from McMahon, who I think had the right idea to bring an outsider in for fresh ideas but meanwhile having old school guys like Cornette, Ross and Prichard to reinforce the lineage of what makes wrestling what it is. What I find infuriating about him is he takes credit for what went right and anything that went wrong with his idea is not his fault. It seems to me, though, that what Cornette hated most about Russo is that he just refused to understand the craft of what the trio of old schoolers tried to teach him. Honestly, Vince Russo is the Ultimate Warrior of bookers. He had a quick rise and some unprecedented success, but he never saw pro-wrestling as anything to take seriously and has a one track mind on what it is to him. Which is why the success could not be sustained.
The 80s vs 1999
The interesting thing about this statement is that I made me think of my own opinions. I'm from the 80s but I was a teen in the late 90s. Formative years but so long ago. There was a difference in the air. 96 to 2003 are so different from everything before or after. The "xtreme! Babes! Dude!" Bro stuff of that era- thankfully- doesn't exist anymore. And I guess it's Vince Russo existed only in the late 90s it would've been perfect - but he was so of his time, he's now dated and I think cornett is more foundational and, in someways, timeless.
Cornettes wrestling psychology spans all decades not just the 80's , you should listen to his show and educate yourself
Russo is the definition of 1999 😂😂
It's like how I prefer what they like to call hair metal and grunge rock. I used to hate grunge with a passion blaming it for killing glam. But I learned that both had their flaws and even learned to like grunge. My problem was in the 90s. Why couldn't you have both. That's what I think cornette and Russo should have done have a little of both.
If you said to Jim’s face that him and Russo are similar in any way you’d probably get shot 😂
Nah Jim will just run outside and cry to his daddy like he did when Santino Marrella confronted him. He’s all talk
@@PunkShockRock like you ya mark
@@gavo117 lol. Why so emotionally invested bro? He’s not going to date you.
@@PunkShockRock I’ll date your mother If she wasn’t ugly
@@PunkShockRockHe ain't gonna date you either, bro.
Cornette is far more entertaining to listen to, especially over the past few years. However, Jim has talked mass smack for years and you can find the videos here on UA-cam. Several times Russo has attempted to set up face to face encounters to make money, to give to charity, to squash the beef and its always been Jim to decline. So while i find Corny more entertaining and am far more likely to visit his channel, I give this feud to Russo because he clearly has bigger balls.
Nah, Jim just really hates that m.f.er
Hard disagree. Dude stated he knows he has anger issues and would not be in control of himself if they had a face to face. Takes self awareness to realize when you may not have full control of your emotions. If you never hated someone enough to understand that just be glad you have lived a nice life.
Cornette looks exactly like my dad, lol
The Boss is right about if you combined their talents they'd be great. We've seen it in action. If you combine weekly crazy storytelling and giving everyone something interesting to do with long term stories and the know how to build the big match you get Paul Heyman.
That's what I said why not have a little of both
The fact the Jim Cornett absolutely despises Vince Russo, BUT, they both agree about AEW Owner Tony Khan is shit at his job is hilariously magical.
Dutch Mantell having to keep Russo and Jimmy separated in TNA is. hilarious story.
Never clicked a video so fast in my life
Whether you like Russo or not, he had those positions because of the promoters. For all of the hate Jim Cornette has for Russo, it's interesting he doesn't distribute a good portion of that hate towards the people who employed him. They had final say on every direction he took.
Saying Russo and Corny are kinda the same isn't totally wrong. They're like God and Satan. Republican and Democrat. They both believe in their way of doing things and will fight to the death that they're right and other is wrong. If they ever do an episode on the Cornette/Russo rivalry a good title would be: "Two Sides of the Same Coin: Cornette vs. Russo"
This reminds me of a quote from the Phoenix. "The problem with humans are they both right."
I agree with Cornette on most things, but I've never bought that a Dr Death v Stone Cold feud would have drawn any money in 1998.
Yeah people didn't really care what Doc had accomplished. He had the mic skills of a dishcloth. He wasn't going to do it. In Japan or another country maybe ? Or just Texas and Oklahoma.
But Vince was the ultimate heel to Austin's face. I was 13 so I didn't have a job. I hated my boss though lol. That's how good that shit was. It was the greatest angle ever. People wanted to see this guy kick his boss ass. I think even the people who didn't buy into the magic anymore simply cheered because Vince was willing to participate for the good of the company. He was taking bumps and shit to get his product over. That's why people ate it up. To that extent it was very real
could see it working as a short term feud to fill out the year, but other than that you'd have to make Austin look weak to get Doc over him - SCSA's whole gimmick is being the toughest guy around and without a manager in late 90s US wrestling, Dr Death was only going to get over on TV with Goldberg's booking.
He would have been Vince’s hired muscle. Vince would have done the talking while Doc stood there and looked menacing.
@@GreenLantern141That would've been the way to do it, honestly.
Great handle btw, love me some GL! Lol.
Think it depends on the push and presentation. Rocky Maivia crashed and burned, the Rock excelled.
Fantastic discussion. Great insights
Cornette is hated by many but I’m fond of his insight into the old school wrestling industry. Vince Russo on the other hand should be hated by all. Biggest shit stain in the universe, can’t stand the guy.
Attitude era was a group of guys, Corny, Ross, Bruce, and sh!tstain included, and VMcM had the final say. Russo sounds like he's taking FULL credit for that?! No, full credit is him alone killing WCW then TNA. That's him alone. WWF back then, he was a cog. Plus Corny is better in every way lolz
Ludvig Borga episode please - that's a story
Can't get past russo's annoying accent. I've heard many New Yorkers talk but even some of my real life NY friends don't jave accents as annoying as his. They've even said they can't stand his.
Cornette is the real deal. He knows wrestling inside and out. He can recall a wrestling match from decades ago and relate it to an angle taking place in the current wrestling era. Russo does not have that same passion or experience. He thought his way was going to work. Anyone with past experience is “old” and “tired”. There was NO way these two were going to find common ground.
🎶CROSS-FIRE...You'll Get Caught-Up In The...CROSS-FIRE!🎶
We need a darkside of the ring episode on jim vs russo
Resss - uh - Ling - uh .
What the frig bro?
That camera operator has never been so scared for his life... TK might have some sympathy😂
This should be a full episode in the next season
I am very impressed with this podcast the sound the two people doing it very listenable and I appreciate the effort
Chris Colt is the father of modern pro wrestling.
I am a lifelong fan of pro wrestling. My ex-wife used to grouse at me, "I can't believe an intelligent entrepreneur of your caliber can watch this shit. It's fake." But I always told her, "I know what it is. I know how it works. I know it is scripted. I know the sacrifices they make. Their injuries aren't fake. They sacrifice their health for the sake of the show. They are my heroes." I
I used to go to shows when I was a kid. My granny took me. The TV station where the stars only beat on jobbers. I knew the outcomes in advance. I went anyway. Hell, it was free, We paid to watch at the fairgrounds. And, even though the REAL Sheikh's bouts were almost always screw jobs, I still went. I loved the heels most of all. My granny wanted to fight them, lol...
I want to see you cover some of the lesser-known guys who were the staples of the old days. Rocky Johnson is one of the few faces I loved, though he would probably fade into obscurity if not for his son, The Rock. Racism was huge back then. I credit men like Rocky and Bobo Brazil for being faces white kids learned to love regardless of the racism we faced at home back then.
Dr. Big Bill Miller, The Mighty Igor (who was Mexican not polish, lol), Iron Mike Loren (a.k.a Porky the pig, and iron mike long before Tyson), Man Mountain Canon (aka crybaby canon), and the original Shiekh (Farhat), Lord Athol Layton, "Wild" Bull Curry, Angelo Poffo, Ernie Ladd, The Stomper, Killer Karl Kox, and all the other unsung heroes. Add them please.
Mr. Russo wants us to believe that he is a big factor in the WWE Attitude Era. This is the guy who came up with David Arquette becoming champion, The Brawl for it All, Ruining Mike Awesome and Bash at the Beach 2000. Nuff said.
We need episodes on Hana Kimura, Brian Christopher, Daffney, Lance Cade, Joey Ryan and Ashley Massaro
To Evan's point at the top of the episode, if Mike Tenay is the Professor of professional wrestling, Jim Cornette is it's Librarian.
we need this debate before one dies.
think it'll be easier for us to time-travel back to their arguments than ever seeing them in the same room again lol
That debate would end with one of them dying 😂
Well it couldn't happen in the same room but on a video call or something would be great but it would quickly go south and have no order to it without a strict moderator and a mute button lol
Can’t wait for Jim and Vince to react to this 😂😂
The Brawl For All could've worked if they didn't do Boxing. They had two UFC originals working for them. There was a legit grappler in that tournament. Who by the way the entire tournament was being made for in the first place. Because it totally makes sense to handicap the guy you're trying to push right? Hell one of the UFC guys was in that tournament. They even had a Karate Black Belt. The concept was fine because we've seen that Pro Wrestlers can learn how to fight. The execution is what ruined it.
Jeebus, I completely forgot about this! Only an hour? Time will sure fly by fast!
If you're going to go on about Russo's flippant lie about Montreal, own it or don't. The mealy mouthed 'well maybe something didn't quite work there' undercut it. They must want him for more projects.
Cornette has forgotten more than Russo will know about wrestling. I'm just sayin'.
BRO, having more knowledge in RASSLE LING GA than Russo is like BEING the nicest Guy in Prison
Id love to watch just a weekly round table of Jim, Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Lawler & Dutch Mantel or various guys. Ive always loved the minds who were such a huge part of the Mid South/Wrestling minds
Russo would have Ripley take Priest's MITB, beat Cody after his big win, and become Intergenter World Champion.
Ah, New York, the home of Brian Last. lol
39:00...
I Remember Watching "TheBrawl for All" as it Aired.
& *EVERYBODY,* Including Me, Thought "Dr.Death" Was Gonna Win "TheBrawl for All".
& While Watching "TheBrawl for All", I Began to Think (as an 80's (81) Kid), *EXACTLY* What Cornette Says to "ShitStain", After "Dr.Death" Got "Gassed&Whacked".🤔
(& I Was a Kid!)
& That's About TheTime I Stopped Watching "Wrestling" on TV, & Began to Watch "X-Files" & "StarTrek:TNG", & "In Living Color" & "MADTV"...
Pretty Much "FOX" Television, Instead of "Wrestling".
I can't wait to hear cornette talk about this
Excellent video
All Cornette was asking for was to have things make sense. In WCW Russo had Sting and Goldberg turn heel for no reason whatsoever. It made no sense, but Russo thought it was great storytelling.
Dude WTF I heard Jack and thought I had accidentally put on that fucking CAST
I can listen to all of these same stories between Corny and Shitstain every single day. There was nothing new here and yet I ate it up just like I do every single time!
Like many I have a ton of interests in life and 80s-early 00s wrestling is just 1 of them (idc about mid 00s to present wrestling lol) but I don't think there is anything on YT I get more excited for than a good ol Corny and Shitstain discussion!!
Russo had about as much business in wrestling as I would have in the Black Panthers.
24:44 now I see where the idea for WCW backstage assault came from.
Cornette was trying to push the Rock n Roll Express in the WWF in 1998. On his Kayfabe Commentaries Guest Booker he booked the Undertaker vs Terry Funk at Wrestlemania 18 in 2002. Nuff said about his booking philosophy.
There are moments where I wonder, if, in the first few months of Corny & Russo's acquaintance, despite their differences Jim possibly responded well to and *liked* Vince quite a bit, as a person? And even embraced Vince as a potential friend and student? Or at least friendly ally, at first (for a very brief time). Because that would explain the sudden, sharp, vitriolic turn in opinion and sense of personal betrayal that Jim seems to feel over Vince's (often indefensible) flippant idiocy. Know that I understand *anyone* being extremely annoyed with Vince or dismissive of him, but to feel as deep and viscerally as Jim does about him? Like he's been scorned or jilted? After all these years? The opposite of love is apathy, not hatred, just saying.
How has this rivalry and hatred not been an episode of Dark Side of the Ring?
I can see Cornette just loose it if Russo were in his sights. Like Corny, I cannot stand Vince Russo as he has ruined wrestling and treated it like a joke
Excellent podcast, a fresh take on the feud.