LIVE: Karen Read Day 34 - Closing Arguments with Vinnie Politan
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- TONIGHT: Still no verdict in the #KarenRead Trial. The jury will return on Monday. #CourtTV's #VinniePolitan & experts are analyzing theories on the jury's deliberations and the clashes between #FreeKarenRead supporters and other trial watchers.
00:00:00 LIVE: Closing Arguments with Vinnie Politan
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00:09:18 Matt Johnson Debrief
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01:00:28 Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial
01:55:42 Missing Child: Kambria Higgins
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00:00:00 LIVE: Closing Arguments with Vinnie Politan
00:00:25 Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial
00:09:18 Matt Johnson Debrief
00:53:23 Alec Baldwin Trial Update
01:00:28 Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial
01:55:42 Missing Child: Kambria Higgins
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Do officers in Massachusetts have qualified immunity? I am interested to see Trooper Proctor face perjury charges!
@@climb_high_Feds are going after Brian Higgins. That’s why he’s on desk duty and hired a lawyer. Destroying his cell and sim
@@Lendingyourlight🤣🤣omg the Feds are not going after him. So much gossip going around. Those are not facts & IF they were you or anyone else wouldn’t be privy to that information💯
@@Luvlacek3 😂😂😂 You’re wrong
@@Luvlacek3Have you watched the trial from the start? Brian Higgins was demoted to desk duty pending investigation. Get your facts straight newbie! Your account is probably fake and part of the problem
RIP Officer O'Keefe 💔 🙏
I hope his loved ones get justice💔😭🙏
I agree that this is all about the victim. But we cannot convict a person on spurious evidence. There is reasonable doubt here.
@@TJ-qh7kfhope so to, but look outside the box , cause there is definitely something not right.
1:22:15 Kevin, another golden statement. If Karen hit John, there would be NO Reason for the bitt dials, the disposing of the phones and no lies between these people. EXACTLY!!!
And nobody has ever decided where the majority of Johns blood vanished to
So Karen’s butt dials mean nothing yeah ? The one when she’s at home you hear her walking. She accidentally Dialled. There’s 2 more with nothing. John himself sent blank texts the day before so what does that mean. Butt dials are not evidence. Karen is a killer. What happens with that, ? Who knows.
Since there are no reasons then why are there? 😂
@@charleslauriceHe was at ground level. You know dirt lol. A heap was on him with vomit but whatever came out of his body besides that would deep through ground like water. You know liquid 🙄
@@charleslaurice The basement
Not guilty stay strong jury.
Stay strong meaning the "not guilty" jurors are in the minority and must stand strong against the majority "guilty" jurors?
@@user-hc9lp3hb1rI'd bet the proverbial farm that is correct! The "guilty" voters on the jury are DEFINITELY the minority and the "not guilty" are the majority! Why, you don't believe in science?
@@user-hc9lp3hb1rdid you even watch this trial?? The majority of people will be not guilty
@@chloer2584How do you know? Most people I’ve asked who have common sense say she’s definitely guilty.
@@stevenprice6957 you only need to look at the polls and so many lawyers who have UA-cam channels came into this case without knowing anything all say the same thing! These same people who you say have common sense also completely disregard science and maths
JUSTICE ⚖️ FOR JOHN OKEEFE AND HIS FAMILY 😢😢😢😢
I wish O’keef s Family well
However the family are cosing up with the family who killed their loved one Shame
@@summerbright2769 True! I could not believe my eyes.
@summerbright2769 no they've friends
@@summerbright2769That's not what they believe, and they 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝘁. He's 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝘀𝗼𝗻, and no one else's. Leave them free of your judgement ... haven't they had things hard enough? You can support KR 𝗮𝗻𝗱 be fair to the O'Keefes.
@@summerbright2769 no darling Karen killed their son . I hit I’m I
Hit him
🇺🇸👮♂️RIP Officer..🕊
Why can't people just look at the evidence and the lies. It is not difficult.
Yes Karen’s lies and then the defence lies and fairy stories. All evidence and roads lead to Karen and only Karen. No brainer.
It really isn't. Even if there are some things you don't believe or question there is NO way there isn't at least 1 of a 1000 things that gives reasonable doubt!
yes. Firstly the lies from Karen herself and changed stories so they all can’t be true. The evidence is overwhelming against her.
Trickery by defence team on the way questions were worded to experts. John, I HATE YOU! Did I hit Him? Dad, I think I hit something. It’s not difficult to know psycho KR rammed her vehicle into John and killed him. Guilty! 100%
I think they are afraid they will be harassed, intimidated and threatened just like the family and witnesses.
What makes me sick is how SOME (not all) people treat this as if it's a damn sporting event. 🙄
Ok well look at the defendant engaging the circus outside the courthouse.
Not true, people take a sport event more serious than a human life. 12 random people, with no clue of the law or what common sense/reasonable doubt is. People can be bought/intimidated/don't like your face and they have to decide if you're going to prison for the rest of your life. You're here commenting, WHY?
@@herertolearn3418she think she’s a famous superstar now 🙄i don’t think she will be that famous in jail
@@josephinedimercurio5012 I agree. Her behavior is ridiculous.
Retrial means no more botox 😬
No, not a HUNG! There is way too much evidence that supports reasonable doubt. Dear God, may justice prevail in the state of Massachusetts...
Yes lots of doubt yet the defense didn’t convince the jury.
That's why a jury deciding over your life is so ridiculous. Common sense is hard to find these days. Watching Trump supporters, how can you think it goes well with that kind of people. I'm afraid for the woman.
i think 1 hold out apt one jury member women red face as if she had been crying when they returned on fri
Amen
And they dont have to either. But it seems unfortunately that's what it's come to @herertolearn3418
So many angry, vicious groupies with no life.
The McCabes and the Alberts? Yea
😂
Umm, what?
Almost cultish
That's why we all are here. We have no life. That angry and vicious that's how America is.
That woman in the green shirt that spoke is the bomb!!
The bomb ? Yeah she’s destruction in a nut shell.
@@stevenprice6957😂 exactly
People are tired of the crap going on in corrupt communities, the injustice. They are fighting back….
The Defense attorneys are costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why are people donating to very Wealthy people?
Probably to help with the cost of them very expensive attorneys
Hard to believe the defense could argue the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” when the FBI and the Federal Grand Jury found there was no “frame job” and “conspiracy”. No charges/indictments on public corruption offences, etc, were laid against any person/s (including the Alberts, the McCabes, or Michael Proctor, etc). Obviously the investigation is over (regardless of the KR verdict). The defense running on arguments verified to be unproven, false and untrue, is not true justice for Officer JO ⚖️.
We will send money to the GoFundMe Karen site because we are the red white and blue true Americans stand for justice. We are not therefore the blue only like the police in Canton, Massachusetts the Commonwealth they’re only blue. They dropped off the red in the white as normally done in socialist communist countries that’s what you’re looking at here a little communist city alto itself, but welcome to Massachusetts where they frame people, just for the Godfather you know the McKabe right 20:36
This has been such a long day.. viewing from Hawaii I thought it was Saturday lol😂
You are not alone! I think most of us have lost track of what day it is!!❤
@@GPDogDrool ok ty! I feel better 😊
I had a friend who worked for the justice center as a maintenance personnel that was spreading salt on walkways. He slipped and hit his head on the asphalt and wasn't immediately noticed. He suffered similar injuries as John O'Keefe minus the injuries to the arm and passed away as a result. The difference is this other law enforcement agency didn't attempt to charge someone for his injuries and later his death.
Oh wow how sad
Great point. He had the glass and phone in his hands and his blood alcohol level was sky high. He easily could have slipped and fell and hit his head. They found the glass and phone ty ight with his body. That makes more sense. The coroner said his injury could have been from a fall. My only problem with that is why didnt all those people leaving the house see the body, at least one of them.We will never know but we were shown that his injuries were not from being struck by a car. Therefore, not guilty. Even the coroner wouldnt rule it a homicide. There ssd should have been no charges brought. Very sad. RIP Mr O"Keefe.😢
The difference is that your friend did not have a “innocent” girlfriend, who just randomly started screaming hysterical that “I HIT HIM!”, “This is all my fault!”, at the crime scene!
The difference is that your friend’s girlfriend did not announced is dead to several people an hour before he was found dead!
The difference was that your friend’s girlfriend did not pronounced that “John might have been hit by a plow!” An hour before he was found!
The difference is that in this case they found evidence that proves he was hit by KR car, not just by an unfortunate fall! Etc, etc. There are BIG differences here that you want to dismiss, but the jury is NOT stupid!
Nice Job Kevin Yellow Cottage Tales is the place to go for intelligent discussion of facts and Evidence. All Opinions Welcomed
@@PsychNurseExplains
Agree!🤗
No one is above the law!!! Our justice system needs to be better than this and hope the jury finds her not guilty!!!
Exactly, nobody is above the law INCLUDING KR.
@@shazzaSheehan1965 right but she’s innocent!! Why convict an innocent women. What if that was you!?
@@Jojo-oh9hr @shazzaSheehan1965 i'm guessing, wouldn't flee the scene after mowing someone down.
Those aren't anti KR people. They're anti TB.
No. They're people who believe that FKR doesn't need to harass brokenhearted parents in order to support KR. And apart from that, to 𝗱𝗼 as such is just about the lowest thing anyone could do to a bereaved parent. Like they're not in enough pain?
NOT GUILTY! I hope this jury doesn't get strong armed by this judge to make a wrongful determination .
I would guess most of the jury wants 'not guilty' but 1 or 2 want guilty verdict.
Wonder if they are friends of the Alberts?
Or the hold out is over the 2nd degree verdict
@@Tess-163 You would have to proved she hit him first, judge really needs to read the Allen charge to the jury.
@@redcharm6173 it’s been proved
@@Tess-163you obviously never watched the trial. Two engineers hired by the FBI, PROVIDED FACTS NOT CONJECTURE! JOHN WAS NOT HIT BY A VEHICLE! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
It was *not* Karen Read that killed John; regardless if you like her or not.
I actually like her but I think she accidentally ran into him and did not even realize it.
@@user-hc9lp3hb1r
The expert witnesses proved he was not hit by a car. John was beat up and attacked by a dog.
@@user-hc9lp3hb1r😂 cars don't bite
She hit him.
@@NYC2023-du8mgyeah even the ME said that .
This is the most ridiculous trial!!! Not guilty verdict couldn’t be more clear !!!!!
Massachusetts is a liberal state which is why. They all probably think Biden is competent and won the debate.
Clearly false since the jury is currently deadlocked.
Exactly! Neither side proved their case.
Karen don’t drink and drive!!
@@herertolearn3418only one side has to prove there side. If neither has that's doubt , which means not guilty.
How does anyone think she hit him I will never understand..how..if she hit him at the force they say she did, he would be laying there, right there, he would be walking nowhere when all the people were pulling up picking up people and coming out of the house, he would be the first thing they would see..how would she hit him in the head, and no other bruises, no broken bones,multiple fractures in his skull..he is 6-1 216 lbs..he wouldnt even touch that taillight, the bumper would hit him first anyway..at this speed hitting him there would be damage to the car itself.
He’s virtually bordered both properties. He isn’t near the driveway. Other side of the front lawn. Not one car that drove past saw him either. Neighbour? No. Plough guy ? No. He even went at 5;30 and saw nothing. He went around Karen I think. That’s even she viewed her dirty work. The only person that saw him was Karen and that’s under snow. He even identified him when you found see anything. That’s incredible Karen. She said he was dead an hour before and then said he was hit by a plough. Then says I hit him. Ummm guilty.
Don't know the difference between a Ford Edge and a Lexus? Brilliantly informed opinion.
She did hit him and there is damage to her car
A lot of people over opinionated I thought it was innocent until proven guilty??¡
All the evidence has been presented. She’s guilty.
JUSTICE FOR JOHN O'KEEFE
It's very telling that only one person said justice for John okeefe. To everyone else this is all about karen read. All I ever see is justice for karen read
You have to be careful how hard you push the jury to avoid tainting their deliberation with malice.
Fancy, u mean they should have stopped deliberations bc u don’t want to make jury angry? Did I get it?
@@PsychNurseExplains just retry it if they feel they can't reach a conclusion. Don't waste your energy desperately trying to attach me to a radical side, because both sides are equally okay with it at this point.
Agree!
@@jokatech it’s common for this to happen judge will send them back again if necessary!
@@jokatech and No it’s not equally felt on both sides gaslighting?
At 1:49 in this broadcast.. I don’t know why any juror wouldn’t be scared of backlash if they voted guilty. This is outlandish these people can stand in front of the courthouse where they walk in and behave this way.
Dear lord. That Rita lady seems unhinged and dramatic. Ffs.
she IS unhinged & dramatic.
It's crazy how the Karen Read supporters are outside talking about the evidence of the case, meanwhile, the anti-Karen Read people Are yelling about online harassment 😂 That has nothing to do with Karen.I'm so sorry to break it to you... I heard them yelling turtle boy and online harassment 😂 That's because they have nothing else to argue!! 🥴
What are you talking about? Saying someone’s dead an hour before he is found ? 5:01 saying he got hit by a plough ? Dees a body with her X-ray vision under snow and identified John ?? Think about that. Admits it numerous times. Tail light pieces on John. John’s DNA is on the inside of the tailight. Now how’s that possible in a brand new car. ? Logic says she’s definitely guilty. They’d evidence.
You don't believe she and Turtleboy are orchestrating harassment ? Ask the McCabes. The Alberts. And now Mr O'Keefe's parents who are being viciously hounded because they believe all the other witnesses. It is despicable.
Exactly! That’s how gaslighting works. It’s just a group of gaslighters hiding the truth.
The evidence shows Karen caused the death of John. You left him to die slowly.
@@stevenprice6957 😂
Not guilty stay strong jury
✅
Guilty. Do the right thing for John.
How could it have been her? What he stood there and let her run him over? He is a Police officer he would know his surroundings and a car reversing towards him. Iam pretty sure most people would move out of the way of the incoming car. He was beaten and put outside. Its all about jealousy and men cant handle their alcohol. In my opinion. 😅
exactly
I think he saw her in the last split 2nd. Arm up with drink in hand so elbow broke the light and it clipped him back and towards the house or on that angle. His head hit the ground which was rock hard. He vomits and then falls into unconscious. He doesn’t move seconds after Karen’s crazy reverse.
@@stevenprice6957 elbow broke the light with no bruising or fractures?
@@stevenprice6957Road safety is second nature to a cop. You’ll never convince me he was ended by a car going in reverse that slow.
@@GenZMotherslow ? That didn’t kill him. In her words it incapacitated him. He then vomited on himself and froze to death. Karen is truly a killer whatever the verdict
The thing that makes me sick is all the people who have made MONEY off this Officer's death. It's not support KR but how much MONEY can I make off this death.
Exactly! It’s disgusting!🤮
hear! hear! 🙏
Injuries depend on the posits of the victim and the car the speed the weight of the car and the impact which can cause the victim to be forced to move and land anywhere depending on the territory. I know this being a medical examiner in another part of the world. Therefore when so called examiners giving evidence makes me laugh. The CW examiner was actually right according to principles of medicine
Excuse you mr grundy, Dr Russell didn't "just walk in off the street" she was referred to defence by ADA Lewin 37:20
She read a news article online, contacted AJ friend in the DA office. So yes, she basically walked in of the street. The defense did not seek out her opinion.
How can they find Karen Read guilty of hitting someone with an SUV when there is nothing on the deceased ‘s body consistent with being hit by a vehicle? I don’t think the doctor watched the trial.
🤦🏻♂️
There was microscopic taillight pieces found on his clothing and taillight is very, very sharp and can cut your arm.
How in the hell can a judge force a jury to come a verdict that they are not sure of. I guess that the judge wants a guilty verdict.
She won’t push them she will do what is required of her by law nothing more nothing less it’s not her first rodeo.
I thought the first Jury instructions were easy to follow. I think that was a mistake on the Defense part to bring the Jury back and sit listen to the Judge read the charges again. That made me extremely uncomfortable for the defendant. I think the defense made mistakes and this is the reason we are at this point.
@@herertolearn3418There were over 70 witnesses from the state and only 3 from the defense, how did the defense attorneys cause a delay in a verdict??? The form didn’t have an option to check NOT GUILTY! If the jury was confused by the instructions then they should not be on a jury because their education is obviously, limited!
@@Tess-163Her pro-prosecution attitude has been apparent from the beginning.
@@Lendingyourlight ok relax..Who said the jury was confused ? The defense. The defense was too aggressive with the people testifying. All that theatrical atty had to do was ask the questions once. He didn’t need to scream the ‘c’ word over and over again. I’m sure the jury is smart enough to get the gist of his point without him hammering the witnesses. Let’s wait and get feedback from the jury the people whose opinions actually count in this trial.
I still cant figure out why the defence didn't get the dog bite doctor show the jury the shirt and hoody to the jury to show the punctures in the clothing. it would clearly show that this wasn't caused by hitting the tail lende.
its already in evidence so they can view it. There's 600+ items in evidence.
There were shards of plastic taillight embedded in Johns shirt! No dog bite, no dog DNA. She smacked him with her car and the tail light cut him up.
@@Elsley12oh but the Alberts got ahold of the shirt and hammered that s*** in there. /s
@@Elsley12yet nothing on his skin. Haha but it cut him… ok.
@@sunnyrob5176 you must think they are brilliant master minds. 😂😂😂
She said she did it, police unprofessionalism should not allow a person to have a pass on murder. Karen said she did not see him go inside the house. First interview at her dad’s house.
One person said she said “I hit him, I hit him” twice. Then another person said she said I hit him 3 times. On closing arguments for the CW, Lally said it 4 times… and I head the recorded 911 call from the recovered voicemail messages on JO phone because KR was calling him when they found him and she threw her phone… and on her frenetic yelling and caos I don’t even heard once of her saying that… one of the paramedics said she did not said that… I don’t understand how people do not use their CS
@@enpasant12so what you’re saying is multiple people heard her say she did it. Guilty!
I believe that she didn't see him walk to the house. By that time she had flipped him over with her heavy SUV 🤨
None of these people stated she said it at the time. They only changed their story after a grand jury and the McAlberts being put under suspicion. The EMT who said he heard it was debunked because video clearly shows he didn't speak with Karen. Plus he said John was wearing a puffy jacket which was also untrue so he can't be trusted. The female EMT denied knowing the family yet turns out she's been on numerous holidays with the Albert's daughter. You trust these people to be telling the truth? Jen McCabe couldn't keep her story straight which is why she continually asked to see her statements from grand jury for fear of being impeached. But yeah they're all trustworthy right?
Were you there at her dads house? Did the officers have bodycam? You don't know what was said then except what Prictor and Buttache have said
Supposedly the jury Foreman is a retired cop, and he was also appointed by the judge if you remember....
Jup I believe it to
Ohhhh, well that’s sounds about right. The judge has been a prop. She is a puppet for the prosecution and it’s blatant.
Exactly . . .very problematic.
Why did the defense agree to that juror? That's on them.
@chrissyellem7397 if it's true they obviously didn't know, it probably came out during deliberation, it probably wasn't supposed to come out at all.
Exactly, we are probably all mothers so we could see through all the drama.
Guilty.
No evidence.
@@RoseGrace100 Right, no cell phone evidence he went into the house.
Justice for John OKeefe!
CORRUPTION CAN'T WIN. SHE INNOCENT
Those girls are there cuz they’re mad at Turtleboy. One of them is the girl that lied about a DV incident, causing TB to spend 60days behind bars. Ratchets!
Don't forget there is a lot of corruption with this case. The cops pprobably got to someone on the jury and paid them off.
@@willisapril Jesus, April. I thought better of you.
OMG COURT TV!!! When will you stop letting Kevin spout blatant lies?!! That woman never threatened the jurors and Vinnie shows a real lack of professionalism in letting him get away with that!
Actually he doesn’t spout out lies & yes she did say that. Many people heard it!🙄
@@EmJust she absolutely said it. sorry.
Even if you don't know if she killed him or not, if there's reasonable doubt, they need to find her not guilty.
Some people just don’t understand the concept. I believe that some are also intimidated by truly expert testimony they don’t understand. Lastly, if those jurors are culled from the immediate area, how many know the powerful Albert’s?
Absolutely right.
Too much reasonable doubt.
Don't forget there is a lot of corruption with this case. The cops probably got to someone on the jury and paid them off.
You do realize that just because the defense makes a claim via experts/etc. doesn’t mean it automatically becomes reasonable doubt. You have to consider all the evidence and discern what is reasonable and credible. You take it for what it’s worth in the context of ALL of the evidence presented. The problem with the defense supporters is that they are ignoring the actual credible evidence which shows she hit him. You all are the defense’s dream…. Easily distracted by the shiny object.
I’m not sure if Vinny’s father(was a judge)is still alive but I would love to see him on here as a guest. Better yet a co-host/anchor.
The arm! Just look at the arm, for crying out loud!!
Exactly how can the jury not see that he was attacked by a dog 🙄🙄🙄 and the snow plow guy who said there was no body lying outside he went twice passed that house. Is someone in the jury purposely trying to get a hung Jury 🤔
Maybe find the dog that caused that damage
It’s ridiculously obvious. Anyone who has ever seen a police dog training and attacking the trainer, they latch on to the arm and shake. The wounds are the cause of that!
American Dog Training did a good live couple nights ago. His name is Garret Wing. It’s worth a watch.
@@LendingyourlightIf they could have before trial, they would have. I hope they do this now after the trial but if Chloe can’t be found where the prior owner Nicole said she is there’s nothing they can do.
Why wasn’t the evidence that yellow cottage tales uncovered not introduced during the trial?
Justice for Johnny
Reasonable doubt - without a doubt. This needs to end. Karen was right when she said this is a waste of tax payers dollars. We need a verdict and we need justice for Officer John O'Keefe. Free Karen Read.
Karen is obviously wrong why it’s a waste of tax payer money? Obviously we need to know how this man died right? I guess’ she wants to cancel reality she did it and blamed innocent people
This woman is innocent.... everyone who disagrees clearly has NOT watched this case.
It’s so frustrating and shocking to me that anyone can believe Karen is guilty! The FBI hired guys are certain John was not hit by a car, it’s not possible to happen that way. His injuries clearly do not align with being hit by a car. But my main frustration they cannot prove anything from the CW so how could anyone believe anything beyond a reasonable doubt?
I watched every single day and I know she’s guilty.
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the jurors voting for guilty have watched the case and much more intently than you!
@@user-hc9lp3hb1r 😂😂👏👏👏
She's a narcissistic snarky pos
Good grief! When listening to Carole Lieberman, I thought this 'expert' is really reaching when talking about what the jury might be thinking. Court TV would have been no worse off asking Paul the Octopus to provide jury insight.
I think it’s great to see some people supporting the O Keefe family, long overdue! I think these protesters have more issues with the Canton police department than they do in Karen Reads innocence.
It's a small town, son. And we all support the team. --James McMurtry, Talkin at the Texaco
Long deliberations are usually good for the defense.
Well apparently the jury should have every piece of evidence of what they just sat through
@vinnie I am one of your biggest fan ❤🎉🎉🎉
I think the defense thought it would be an OJ Simpson verdict, 4 hours.
Ha!! Not so.
Not all The investigation made several mistakes here
What does heads up or heads down have to do with anything?
This is nothing like the OJ trial. Everyone knows he was guilty. Even the jury has openly admitted that verdict was retribution for the Rodney King situation.
That’s the arrogant narcissistic people they are.
The Green Screaming Lady is unbelievable how many days she can go on!!
She needs a therapist!
This case in particular to others that I’ve watched has the most reasonable doubt throughout the whole trial. The prosecution lacked a lot, not sure how someone is stuck on guilty. I’d understand but man the holes and the fact defense had better experts to back up Karen didn’t hit him.
Not Guilty!
@Vinnie Politan My understanding is that in Massachusetts, the Judge can only send the jury back to deliberate once more. If the jury comes back deadlocked again she can only ASK them to go back again and they have a right to refuse this request.
That applies if she found they did a thorough job and she didn't. So that doesn't happen yet.
Judge Bev has a history of sending juries back 3x
Yes
That’s only after she reads them the Allen charge, which she elected not to do Friday…
Free Karen Read and now Free the jury!!!!
This whole thing upsets me. It’s so unafair. They would kill a man and then frame his ex. Sad sad sad how humanity treats each other. May God have mercy upon Karen and punish those against her
That’s as ridiculous as Karen herself.
Amen. God bless Karen and John.
Go, Karen, rooting for you.
I wonder if the equal amount of support would be there if it was a man who was cheating and was abusive and just unhinged as a personality that was up on charges of killing his girlfriend?
I’m guessing not.
Strange how it works. I’m guessing there wouldn’t be support outside court for the male. It would be the total opposite I think.
He did cheat on her a couple times… not sure what are you talking about
@@enpasant12Says who ? Do you make it up as you go ?
This was a hit and run. That's why no one ever went in the house.
Oh, well you should have let the CW’s ME know that b4 she testified under oath that JO’s injuries were not congruent w/a pedestrian collision w/an SUV. And THEN you should also reach out to The Director of ACTAR, the Accreditation Commission for Traffic Accident Reconstruction, who testified to the same: JO’s injuries were NOT indicative of a collision with an SUV.
@@TalLeGalTHIS ⬆️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@TalLeGalThe problem with your opinion is that you are discounting all the credible evidence. Your view that that is all undeniable fact is just wrong. It’s not DNA evidence. This is where it takes a person to actually use their brain to determine what actually makes the most sense, given all the evidence. Most people seem to be like you and just not able to see the bigger picture. It’s so unfortunate but not shocking as we’ve seen in other trials, OJ, Casey Anthony, etc.
@@reasonable342What credible evidence? I watched the entire trial and must’ve missed “all the credible evidence” from prosecution. However, I saw a load of credible evidence from defense.
@@TalLeGal And you should come up with the dog dna on J Ok.
👿 don’t drink and drive!!
Yeah, all the police and ATF admitted they were drinking and driving, I agree - don’t drink and drive. It’s terrible.
@@dmariejThey are not charged with criminal offences 😂
@@user-ji5gz5fu3g yeah, I guess drink driving is ok as long as you don’t get caught.
@@dmariej It’s not ok for anyone if it’s over the legal limit obviously! Just like coming on to someone’s mate and chasing them non-stop whilst you are seeing that person and staying at their house - trailer trash and embarrassing!
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But according to her father she was ALSO taking medication thad did not agreed with alcohol too. That’s really inadmissible and irresponsible! 🤓
I completely disagree with one of the panelists. I think the defense witnesses were way more credible. The prosecution witnesses and experts were a joke. I think one or two did okay. I would NEVER want that LE or Prosecution team representing one of my loved ones. The defense may be fine with a hung jury. They could use what evidence is found in the investigation being done currently on LE. I hope they all go down. It's upsetting for the good officers out there.
The defense witnesses did not have all of the evidence & they all admitted it on the stand. So their testimony didn’t carry a lot of weight. Thats what happens when you wait too late because you just assumed the case would get thrown out🙄
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So basically the state wants the jurors to fight it out.
it's called an Allen Charge & it happens ALL THE TIME. it's not Judge Cannone or the CW rigging anything.
What was she doing all the time while her man was busy dying ?
If she was not guilty she would have raised an alarm.
The science spoke. JOK was not killed with a car.
I believe the science I heard from trooper Paul
@@Tess-163and you call that science?
The facts are that she hit him.
@@enpasant12 yep 👍🏻
do you know how to spell "science"
Shame on you all for calling a 90-10 split a divided community! What BS.
😂 a total doesn't have to be split 50-50 to still be considered "divided." did u learn your fractions? 9/10?
@@BoxerClover The community is divided between murders and law abiders. Sounds accurate.
@@user-nh5ew9ck4z so it's still "divided." thanks for proving my point. 🤪
@@BoxerClover You have no sense of humor! Life is an asymptote. Being relativist about percentages is funny.
I've been watching this trial off and on since opening statements. In my opinion, most of the evidence points to her guilt until you see the photos of his arm. Coming from a family of canine trainers, I know without a doubt that those are canine wounds. And that alone would cause me to vote not guilty. She may have had an argument and even hit him with her car before driving away. But in no way does any of that explain those bite and claw marks. Those injuries came from a large breed canine.
The defense did their best to create doubt, but it came off as desperate, spinning out of context, and badgering witnesses to get frazzled answers. The main body of evidence is indisputable. There is no reasonable doubt in it. I'd vote guilty on the second charge of vehicular homicide while intoxicated, and for leaving the scene.
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Me too!
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@@BoxerClover Me, 4
IF she can lie on that poor mother, about “how long to die in the cold” what else is she lying about. She called those poor mothers out of their homes only to turn around and lie on them.
What?!!! You may be commenting on the wrong trial.
Then I have to watch this woman”s smirk on her face and John’s family have to sit and watch her through the trial while her attorneys put on a show for their audience.
Exactly what she did I mean who wakes up mates at that time of the morning knowing they had a late night just to drag them along with her to pick her boyfriend up from a party make THAT make sense she’s not a teenager ffs
It’s not about the cop, it’s about the evidence evidence don’t lie. She is a wack job and let her go she will do it again soon.
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No one would be surprise in Corrupt Canton if their is ONE hold out.
do u know there's only one holdout?
Take a deal?? People, now you know how the judicial system is screwing you up, even the TV host, think you should bow down, nomather if you're innocent......😢😮
It always troubles me when I see mobs of people blindly supporting a cause. Some may not be blind, but some are simply following. Very often, they have no idea of the truth, nor do they care. And it's the worst kind of group-think in a court case. Remember Amber Heard? People can and will see things differently and that's a good thing. I know a lot of people think that the snow plow driver was a good witness. I know some snow plow drivers and I myself drive when it's snowing. It's very difficult to see past your own windshield and you intensely focus on the road and the tracks in front of you. NEVER does one look very far off of the road when they're driving in a blizzard. NEVER. I believe the snow plow driver was afraid to say that he didn't see the area where the body may have been because he was focused on doing his job--staying on the road and plowing snow. Besides that, it would have been covered with snow by then...it's nearly impossible to see a hump in the snow even if you're looking. Fortunately the Jury has been mostly kept from the push of various groups, and hopefully they will make a just decision.
Yes & half of these people don’t even know her. They hate their police dept. which is fine but it doesn’t mean a murderer walks free.
@@Luvlacek3 YUP. 2 things actually CAN be true at once: LE's dirty & KR's guilty.
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Find it rather odd the defendant does not fully look at jurors; especially when they are the ones deciding faith in this case, something seems " weird ". Guilty as charged get Justice for John O'Keefe, not officer John O'Keefe the person John O'Keefe.
Thank you @Court TV
I don't get it. I watched and believe the injury to his arm were caused by tail light. This is crazy I'm from Massachusetts makes my people look bad! I rely on DNA
Sericuty volunteers omg give me a break
Look at the arm again. That's not caused by a car. The wounds were caused by a dog. Reasonable doubt so not guilty.
🤦🏻♀️ no dog dna!!!
Still the dog 😂. Stop blaming dogs.
@sarasmilesco8551 pig dna
@@victorinegaudet4189 bacon fat attacked him. Lol. Stop the rubbish.
@@victorinegaudet4189 yes pig gelatin is in tons of food. John had eaten pizza earlier that day perhaps it had pepperoni on it. You can’t have dna from a pig ear that a dog ate without dna. The pig dna would be in the dogs saliva.
I honestly believe there is pressure on one Juror, the foreperson. I watch body language and was really taken aback. The Alberts and also Paul looked in the very same direction as the Judge chose the foreperson. Paul needs a better poker face. The foreperson can be very persuasive. Please be careful.
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None of the people who are saying that she said she hit him said that to the investigator in the beginning or in the grand jury testimony.They are just now saying that. So that makes me not want to believe it
Guess who said that she hit him?? KAREN HERSELF said it in a Nightline interview. Geez people wake the hell up!🙄🤦🏼♀️
@@Luvlacek3 AND to Yannetti! he was her only lawyer at 1st. Yannetti made a PUBLIC STATEMENT saying, "It was a terrible accident." !!!
This translates into give our guy time to wear down the decent and intelligent human beings who would let Read off. The judge did NOT follow protocol. I have worked with dogs my whole life, worked with a breeder, and have assisted in bite training GSD breed. THOSE were DEFINITELY VERY DISTINCTIVE dog bites and the dog was either given the command (more likely judging by location - the dog was working) or the animal saw an altercation involving family pack/inner circle and got excited/involved. The dog has disappeared and the house was sold - give me a break!
That court is ridiculous!!! The jury clearly wants to b hung and now they refuse to Let them go!!! Lally refuses to accept they r hung. The judge asked both sides and that fool is now holding the jury hostage!!! wtf? I cannot anymore with the foolishness. And btw she is NOT GUILTY!!!! There is just a hold out that feels sorry for the OKeath family
I’ll bet it’s the foreperson, the one Bev appointed. Rumor has it he’s LE.😒
I agree 👍
@@TalLeGalYeah, and who appointed this judge? Thats the question! She’s a courtroom prop & puppet for the prosecution.
What's LE?
@@bredagaughran6573 law enforcement
Oh, now she has body guards, but her Attorneys say she's indigent. So ridiculous.
they are free volunteers and her attorneys did not say she is indigent
Like she should be worried for her safety ha!
No one said she is fkn indigent!! Ever! Ifk where you think you heard that, but Miss Read was a Finance Professor before all of this and has plenty of money, honey, don't get it twisted
You would with the dirty McAlberts and their clowns around you
People will do anything now a days to be on camera. Lol
Hope the jury uses common sense, CW was a FLOP
Ok but if the defense is so great why are we here tonight?
@@herertolearn3418because not everyone in the jury agrees
@@riannarodriguez9759 yes because it wasn’t proven on either side. That’s the potential for ALL juries. None of the attorneys did a good enough job to persuade all of them which is needed for all court cases. The attorneys need to be good enough to sway all jurors.
@@herertolearn3418 the defense doesn’t have to prove anything. They just have to poke holes in the common wealths theory of the case. So that’s reasonable doubt.
@@riannarodriguez9759 I understand your point and your are correct however the defense puts on their case therefore they need to prove their case. This defense didn’t do a good job even though they cross examined 70 witnesses. If they had done so we wouldn’t be where we are tonight.
Trying to force a juror to vote one way or another should be illegal.
NO ONE IS FORCING THE JURORS
There are 11 people sharing at the one person, saying “explain your reasoning to us as to why you think she’s guilty and please explain your responses to the 800 pieces of reasonable doubt that was presented to all of us. That’s not illegal.
Fully agree. A free thinking person whose been selected to act on a jury, should never have to compromise their decision. That’s the whole point of having a jury. How is it justified and fair, for one or more juror’s to be pressured into conceding their decision, just to satisfy the other jurors or the court? Sometimes the majority vote is the collective narrative….. maybe that’s what’ll happen here. I hope so, because the O Keefe family have been through enough. And the cultish mob need to go home and get a new obsession.
@@user-nj9db2tg9w explain to me where the majority of John’s blood disappeared to
Third are 11 people staring at the one person and asking what part of conspiracy rubbish,killed by dog or drunk cops,and the " I hit him" x4 does your brain tell you is not evidence of guilt?
Can’t believe she said that about the jury. It’s not about right or wrong it’s what you can live with?😢😢😂😂😂
Jury will hang by Monday. Judge is partial, trying to influence jury.
Of course, she is.
What makes me angry Lally didn't present evidences properly,did not ask questions clearly and he was so boring but still some of the jury stands on him!!!unbelievable,unbelievable! I have no idea what was this trial the background!!nothing!!after watching so many witnesses,on and on!!even I got angry at witnesses why couldn't they just answer the questions!!!hostile attitude!!!so frustrating!!
I get it but the defense didn’t prove their case. Neither side did.
If I was a juror, I would ask one simple question. Aren’t We Suppose To Be Innocent Until Proving Guilty. How Was Karen Read Proven Guilt. She Was Not Once The Until Trial
What?
At what point does a jury say whatever to just get the heck out of that room and go home? How reliable is an outcome that’s “forced”?
I can’t believe that she’s never been charged with DUI…at the very least. She was very intoxicated, is that not enough to warrant a charge of some sort? If she was a drunk off the projects she’d have been locked up from the get go for being pissed up! It should be a charge in itself!
What about all the LE’s who admitted to drinking and driving?
@@MCT2013 seems to me like Canton is a drunkard’s town….. everyone just gets pissed up and drives around. If this was Latisha from the projects she’d have been cuffed and slung in a cell. Alcoholics all of them.
Thanks Yellow Cottage Tales for your excellent objective reporting on this important historic truly Massachusetts case. Many people can't handle the truth or believe that 2 things can be true at once. Rotten cops and that a drunken accident happened or worse.
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Wondering how many of the general public actually know the name of the victim?
Thousands
As I was watching this show I noticed that one of the protestors against Karen had a sign that called John “the man” I thought that was odd or in poor taste, Officer John O’Keefe’s name should be known first and foremost. Second to John is Karen imo as she is facing one of the biggest injustices a person can face.
@@KaitlynJaney 🥹
@@KaitlynJaneyit’s like they have something against Karen Read and not actually wanting justice for John O’Keef
@@riannarodriguez9759 I agree and it’s sad. Nick did say that a few protestors against Karen have some connection to the Albert/McCabe family and that makes sense to me. Or they are just like the people in the comments that think Karen’s face is the reason she’s guilty or because she’s smiled a few times which is so wrong and shouldn’t have any bearing on the facts.
Let’s pray the FBI do a much better investigation and get some real answers.
It's not Mat, Vinnie..It's HOMELANDER in disguise🤫
Can anyone tell me how the defense overcame KRs car going in reverse that night? What was their theory to that evidence? 🤔
What you said makes the defense cry. It should.
I believe that testimony came from Trooper Joseph Paul who took a course three weeks before trial on accident reconstruction. The defense challenged his testimony by discrediting him as an accident reconstruction expert. And I thought it was effective because he didn’t come across as an expert at all; watching his testimony was uncomfortable, and he didn’t seem confident.
No one forced her to Scream “I HIT HIM!”💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
and she never did scream "I hit him"
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Even if that was true WHY would an “innocent” woman just randomly wake up screaming “DID I HIT HIM?”. And why would she pronounced him dead by a snowplow hit 1 hour BEFORE he was even found? WHY she would start calling him less then 30min after leaving him, to ask “where are you John?”, as if she didn’t knew where he was! How ridiculous that people cannot stop to analyze this woman behavior and just follow the outrageous false narrative of the defense!
@@lovemysmoothie9632 play the EMT testimony and listen to the voices in background
@@lovemysmoothie9632 good example of concrete thinking vs critical thinking
Correction: Did I hit him??? That makes a lot of sense due to the crazy scene that she was seeing…
Nick Rocco is relying on his imaginations, not facts and evidence.
seriously. & he'd be the 1st one to scream, "facts don't care about feelings!!!"