How to Practice Double Bass without Pedals - Floor Exercises
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2014
- Ryan Alexander Bloom demonstrates how to practice double bass without drums or pedals. These floor-based motions will build strength, stamina, and accuracy anywhere. Even if drums are available to you, these exercises will compliment your usual practice routine and/or make a great warmup.
Get more double bass info and exercises in my book: The Complete Double Bass Drumming Explained, found at bloomdrums.com/books/
I would just like to congratulate you on having the single best advice for developing double bass that I have seen in over a year of looking at videos well done my friend!
39 people were downstairs when these exercises were practiced.
Haze Anderson 😂🥁👍
I practice double bass techniques even when I’m on the shitter!
Dedication 👏
I’m shitting rn and watching this
I've been doing these exercises so much when I was at school to get better and it really did help, songs that I thought I could never do before i can do now thanks to these exercises, but I've done it so much it became a habit and now I sometimes do it in class without noticing and my teacher goes like "hey... feet"
thank you Ryan, certainly need a way to practice my feet off my drumset
This is just awesome!!
I’ve been in need of some exercise to do on my days off playing but I can still work on technique!!
So sincerely thankful to you good sir
great video :) i like how calm he sounds through out his videos.
Love your videos man! Such valuable information!
Really helpful video! It's great, because with this, you can practise everytime and everywhere. Thank you :)
Great exercises for when I'm at work. Thank you!
Great video, very informative!
Found this really helpful thanks for the tips!
That's for the tip bro! I really needed help with the topic.
Thanks man, will practice this!
ThankYou! Very good guide
Thanks for the video!
Just bought my double bass! thanks for the exercises, it works fine, specially at work.
M Ch good to know
Thanks for the new lesson, you are my favourite drum tutor on the net, my drumming has got loads better since I have watched your videos. All the best from the U.K.
Thanks. Glad someone is finding this stuff useful.
Great video 👌
I do this all the time bus,doctors office.people freak out like sounds good
Good.
great video!
GREAT STUFF!!!!!!!!!
super helpful--ty much
thanks for this video
Thanks dude you're the homie
THE homie
thank you so much!!!!!
I'd hit a wall in my technique recently and almost had to start from scratch with floating heels, this has helped me mess around in the office and passively get 5+ hours a day
Ginger Knight nice. It’s obviously not going to totally replace real practice, but it is useful.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom I have practice beater sessions at home, but the extra leg-work in the office trains me out of my old stance where I clearly wasn't sitting properly
@@SirGingerOfKnight at least you can get some real work done at work now
nice! thank you
thank you! :)
Apart the last "extreme" exercise, i must to say that the first two are useful! Thanks.
The last one is probably the most useful one, honestly, with the first two being a warmup for it. But, doing any of these will help so carry on. Thanks for giving them a try.
It's helpful. Tq bro...
Hey Ryan! This is an awesome video. I have been trying to improve my DB work consistently now and seriously for about 3-4 months. I am tapping out at around 110-115 bpm.(16th notes). I can go a few bars before my feet are off to the races and control is lost. But I just watched this video and practiced the first 2 variations for about 20 minutes, took it back to the practice set and 110 felt so much easier. That motion of toes on the floor heel up technique translated perfectly to the pedals. Would you say going through that motion away from the kit consistently will improve my speed and more important control?? Thanks again!!
Its a awsm lesson .. Thanks man .... Thanks for the video ..
My legs get tired and start to burn when I do the first example but when I do it with my heels I am fine
INTERFERENCE STUDIOS! Good. That means you are getting a workout. Practice the harder ones more and you'll improve.
Ryan Alexander Bloom ok thank you.
Cause you are using the muscles in your shin which are the smallest muscles in the leg. Using heel up technique is better for endurance and power
Heel down is the hardest for me too.
This video was very useful !!! CHEERS MATE !!! Stay Safe - Stay Home
THANK YOU!
Duccio Mangiavacchi no prob. thanks for watching.
Wow, thanks
Such a helpful video! You sir deserve a like + sub :D
N0peD0pe thanks
Great! 👍
Jon Skaery thanks!
Of course you’ll feel a burn...that’s part of the progress....It certainly is a a good exercise to focus on your feet and keep in time. Good exercises....
Well i was doing this thing since i was 14 and never actually seen a double base pedal so... I hope to see it one day and be like BAWWW IM PLAYING MSHUGGAH WITHOUT PRACTICE
is it work?
Great video I never thought of doing any of these. Certain the practice with the ankles would be very helpful. How often do you think this should be done to get good results?
Depends on how hard it is for you. If you struggle with any of the versions then you should probably do at least that one daily for a couple of minutes or until you get fatigued, until it’s no longer a problem. Even if these are easy they’re a good warmup before actually playing. Just run through the progression over the span of a few minutes before getting on the pedals.
cool!
Great video, I play the single kick pedal. I do not think I will move to the double kick pedal mainly because of the style of music I play. I do not think the double pedal will be needed. But I want to build the muscles in my shins to help build speed and then hopefully control with working with my timing as well. I know that the foot work is huge with fills and roles.
JASON SeAY yeah these will help one foot just as much as 2. No reason you HAVE to play double kick to use these. 👍🏼
Ryan Alexander Bloom thank you, yes I want to get better. Gotta put in the time and work.
Awesome teaching I cant seem to bounce my heels off the floor very fast will this come with time? and how much practice time do I need for this?
It will take time to master. Spend as long as it takes to get totally fatigued. It will be fairly quick in the beginning but you will build stamina over multiple sessions.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom can i do that in 1 year or more with daily practice
Mis vecinos se cabrean por que hago mucho eso.
Air drummer al poder!
deathmetalml y te sirvió cuando ya usas el doble pedal?
I can go much faster on the floor (140-150) than on the pedals (120ish) and I was wondering what pedal spring tension best emulates what we do on the floor? As in what spring tension makes it feel like there are no pedals? Thanks
I'm going to answer your question first and say that the spring tension that feels like the floor is the loosest possible tension. Then, I hope you pay attention to the rest of this because that won't serve you well in the long run. 150 is not actually very fast. If you want to play really fast, 200+, you probably need some help from the pedal, which you'll really only get with a spring tension tighter than the loosest possible setting. It will not feel like no pedal, but that is the thing that makes pedals cool. They let you play things you couldnt play without them. watch my video on Drum Pedal Spring Tension Explained for a full rundown, but the pedal helping your foot return to the top of the stroke is what gets you to higher speeds. Spring tension is what does the work.
If you have electronic drums i would recomend doing this to learn ankle motion rather than hitting the jick tower
Will you eventually be able to play faster? I can only do the exercises at a slow tempo. Never used a lot of double bass drumming and would like to improve in that area.
+Drummerke 1980 Yes, you must build up the muscles to play faster. If you can only do them slowly, that means you need to build up your shins. The best way to do that is by doing these exercises. The more you do them the easier they will become and the faster you can go. You'll never be as fast on the floor as you are on the pedals, but I would say you ought to be able to do about 70% of the speed.
OK, I'll make these exercises part of my daily routine. Thanks for the quick response and the tutorial! Hopefully I'll notice some progress soon ;-)
Ryan Alexander Bloom
Hey, I'm having the opposite issue here. I'm able to go faster on the floor than on the pedals. I don't like to blame the equipment, but the only reason I can think of is the lack of rebound from my electronic bass drum, or a weird spring tension. I can basically stomp the floor comfortably, but when I transition to the pedals, I end up spazzing out and losing it in a couple of bars. Advice?
Neel Patil it could be the spring tension is messing with you. Try adjusting it and see what happens. Electronic kick pads are often strange feeling compared to real drums too. I could see both of those things being weird. On the other hand, while practicing on the floor is good for your bass drumming muscles, it isn't 100% the same as actually playing. At some point you will just have to spend time on the pedals and work out the subtle differences in technique. Most things related to pedal technique take a while of deliberate practice to master. That is the real secret. Keep working with very direct intent and you'll get it.
Ryan Alexander Bloom Thanks!
Anybody ever tell u that u look like logic? XD awesome videos man
no, nobody has said that one. Apparently I look and sound like a lot of minor celebrities from little known things.
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hi dude, such a good explanation and lesson for someone who want to get involve in drumming like me.. I'm 23 and I'm just about to learn how to play drum.. I don't have any musical background but I really want to play drum.. do you think that it is already too late for me..??
Chris Adler didn't seriously start practicing drums until he was about 22. He is now a very successful metal drummer and well respected by most people as a competent player. I have personally taught students who didn't start playing until their 50s. Their progress is certainly slower than a child's but they do get better.
oh, I see.. that certainly give some motivations for me to pursue my interest in drumming.. thanks a lot, man..
I started at 22
+Neo Anderson I started at seven and all I can remember was learning how to keep time was the biggest pain in the ass so heres a tip use a metronome as much as possible trust me it helps a lot :)
I started at 20 just for a few months and now I'm 27 and I just bought a drum set and I'm learning and playing every day.
Oh well my ankle motion is way faster than this... i can reach 220 bpm on the floor and everytime I do this my classmates think I'm crazy hahaha
Slayer 220 bpm how? quater notes eigths or 16ths
Daymon Oiler 16ths
***** Don't care about them xD
Slayer yea I always take my shoes off if I'm in class when I wanna do this haha
Fuck, we're probably brothers
O hell yeah, more ways to annoy my parents with these techniques haha!
This is actually one of Travis Orbins lessons, look into his Barehand/Barefoot lesson from 2010
kylemasri Interesting observation but I have never heard of Travis Orbins and I have been teaching this in private lessons since at least 2010 so its 100% original material. Any similarity to actual persons or events is purely coincidental. Great minds do think alike though. I found out recently that an American grip training technique that I use is also taught by the former head of percussion at Musician's Institute but I also made that one up myself in 1997.... just so happens he thought of it at some point as well.
Tried to practice Messuggah - Bleed
my mother thinks im epileptic...
So easy you can do it while on the toilet.
😂
I used to do this, daily, to music in my headphones, on the trains in Japan.
By the way, nice haircut. It’s different, because I’m used to seeing you with long hair, but it looks nice.
I had short hair for like 7 or 8 years between like 2009 and 2017 when I started to grow it out again. It’s been properly “long” since about 2018 now.
Thank you mark zukerberg
is it weird I've been doing all those things before even seeing this video? That's all I did throughout my high-school years
I always try to practice in school its funny lol
Travis Orbin teaches something similar but he does unison strokes.
I've heard that from another person too. I really should check out his version of this. I don't think unison strokes would help in any way, but I haven't heard his arguments for it so maybe there is a reason.... The other person who mentioned that accused me of stealing this workout, but it turns out I've been teaching it just as long and had no idea anyone else had a similar exercise. Weird how things work out.
Check out his "bare hands, bare feet" lesson. That's the one in which he talks about it! You can find it on his website
Don't worry if someone says you are stealing some idea, if you are doing something without having idea that other dude was doing it also, then you are not stealing, both has the same idea in separated places and moments.
Yes build those shin muscles up
The first two exercises are fine but the third one is not even possible for me. I can't get both feet simultaneously off the ground if I'm sitting on a normal chair. When I try it with one foot it's doable, but like with the two ? Not even close ! Unless I'm on a drum throne when I adjust the hight, so that I don't have to actively lift my feet. Does someone have a tip ?
It is normal for the third one to be very hard. Most of my students cannot do it at all, or at least had a LOT of trouble at first. You must sit with the correct posture and use your core muscles. If you don't have enough core strength or control, it is literally impossible. You might have to work up to it over time. Your drumming will improve when you are able, though.
2:43 Impossible to do, i fall ^^'
I like my pedal springs hardly tight almost zero..
I struggle with the 3rd technique I can’t seem to play it slow or fast?
Davide Kabanda you’re in the majority. Most people can’t do it at all either. You have to really build up the heel down version first and then focus on one foot at a time to get the motion, then you can put it together.
what would be a good excercise for your weak foot mine is my left leg
xMG this video here would be great for your weak foot. Or any of the double bass exercises on my channel. Just work the weak leg more and don't let it slack on its duties.
Ryan Alexander Bloom thanks bro ill keep working on it 👍
can you play good double bass without an accelerator pedal?
I got some turbo pedals starting out and i feel like I've made a mistake, especially since i want to do metal style sutff.
Stephen Van Bellinghen I don’t know what that means. Maybe it’s too early in the morning... but I really don’t think I know what a turbo or accelerator pedal is. Those sound like automotive terms to me.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom hmm I coulda sworn these were common terms. But I guess its just for DW pedals? Anyway the idea is just that the accelerator pedal has greater/faster movement with less foot motion.
But when i looked it up some people said the 'turbo' DW pedal, which is basically just a standard pedal, had more control then the accelerator. So i went with the turbo when getting my first kit.. which was about 8 months ago.
Anyway the practice video u made was good but i still wonder if the high double bass speeds were only possible with these kinds of pedals.
The ones im using are DW5000 turbo pedals. (i also made a beginner mistake of getting a kit with two kick drums cuz i didn't know what i was doing lol)
Stephen Van Bellinghen hmm yeah no still never heard of that but I’ve never owned a Dw pedal. I’ve played on a few though. I don’t think that the pedal necessarily precludes you from playing fast. As long as you have as pro tier pedal, not beginner or student, then you Should be able to play pretty fast and accurate. There are some I don’t like but other people do. So it’s just preference sometimes. I also have a kit with 2 kicks. It’s a bit of a hassle to move and tune but it has its own benefits as well. That’s how double kick started. Double pedals that actually worked well arrived many decades later.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom Cool i have heard pros and cons of double kick but its just alot for a beginner to swallow. Although after 8 months using them i'm at least starting to get somewhat comfortable. Have you ever seen the drum playthrough by infant annihilator? His technique is godly but obviously ur gonna also need the right pedals too to at least enable that speed. I think not having a kickport, and perhaps bad tuning also does hinder the effect of my bass drums.
Obviously something as fast as infant annihilator is way way out of my ballpark but unfortunately thats the kind of bass drumming thats in my mind when i want to play, haha. (well usually not that fast, but just as an example.)
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It’s like shadow boxing for drummers, I literally go for hours in my office playing single strokes and paradiddles with my feet no pedals at all
It builds motor memory which you will need
Just like boxing after awhile shadow boxing can only help so much, you’ll need to hit the bag just like hitting the pedals
But building the muscle memory is by far the best
Ronald Cabrera yeah dude. If you don’t practice on pedals you will be very bad a bass drum. This is a stop-gap, just in case, backup, extra, on the side workout technique. Real drumming is always, always preferable when you can do it. But, like you said, in an office or other drum-hostile place it’s beneficial.
Ryan Alexander Bloom yes sir! And this video is a great tool for motivation! I practice slower with more muscle power due to the lack of pedals until I feel the burn, it really makes me Flow when I get on the kit, I prefer playing paradiddles this way it builds the dexterity and control which is what every drumming truly wants
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Because of this video I will become greatest sexiest drummer alive
I broke my left leg when i was a little younger, and it fucked up my rythem and tempo. I play guitar in time and rythem.
Miller drumming is probably excellent physical therapy.
interesting...
Gues what im doing at school
The heel down is killing my shin muscles lol
It sucks that my room is on the second floor
Joe jordison off the way you got nothing on me now. .)
I really want to learn how to play but I get discouraged way too easily and I worry that I just won't be able to learn it.
If you're not ready for many months up to several years of practicing then don't start playing the drums. Just to be honest, it's never a quick, easy skill to pick up. You won't, in all likelihood, sound good for a long time. I've seen dozens of students quit within weeks of starting as they realized that after a few lessons they still weren't any good and they suddenly saw the gap between their current skills and the sound they wanted. Good drummers just keep plugging away and about 15 years later they sound like professionals. Hobbyists buy a kit and always sound like beginners or sell the kit within a month. If you know you discourage easily, drums are honestly a terrible choice.
SpriteFighter 64 Yea I've been playing for 6 years and still not were I wanna be
SpriteFighter 64 you have to push yourself hard I was the same way and I pushed myself harder and harder and I'm blown away by the progress I've achieved and I'm still pushing for more you want to have fun with learning the drums they're a lot of fun for sure I play for hours just keep playing whatever comes to mind and go with it and don't stop
Thank you helpful, but awkward
I do it with my heels instead? bad idea?
Tottiere you do what with your heels? I'm not sure I follow.
Ryan Alexander Bloom
i practise double pedals with my heels. as you said you can lift your feet as well but I do heels instead
Tottiere one of these 3 exercises uses your heels to strike the ground. That is the only way that I suggest using them. If you're doing something else with your heels I assume that it isn't consistent with good pedal technique.
if anyone wants their fucking mind blown, check out larnell lewis. he plays single pedal but this is how he practices. search "larnell lewis yamaha" he's promoing some yamaha kit and he does this for a second and it's ridiculous.
My legs hurts aaaagh
This might be for poor guys
Ozun Keskin poor guys, rich guys with insufficient time to practice on pedals daily, middle class guys who need extra technique help... it’s for everyone.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom btw can you give me a link for buying twin pedal i mean how can i practise with twin pedal with pad at my home?
@@RyanAlexanderBloom i have been searching it for a while but still i couldnt find any link to buy it
@@RyanAlexanderBloom i live in england btw