That was a really good looking warp. I could definitley see why they can it a warp engine. Excellently done. The only issue I have is with the warp nacelles. They are in the wrong position for an Intrepid class vessel. They should be approximatley 45⁰ along the vertical plane.
@@asvarien thanks. I've struggled with the concept of what's 'canon'. I kinda decided to ignore it but you are completely correct of course and it would have been easy to correct.
Nice suggestion, if more space travel methods are suppose to add, such as quantum tunnelings and hyper-space jump drive to existed stargates, etc, it's would be more fantastic vlog.
I went back and had a look at the model. Regrettably the two nacelles are a single mesh object and cannot be rotated independently. If I had better blender skills I could probably fix it but I'm really bad at blender. It would indeed look very cool to be able to raise and lower them!
@TheRoflcopter2012 No, he truly doesn't, because Trek starships don't use hyperspace to travel FTL. Hyperspace is another dimension that you "jump" into so that you are not bound by the physics of normal space that make moving matter at FTL speeds impossible. Trek starships never jump into hyperspace. Instead, they are able to travel FTL in NORMAL space by surrounding the ship with a warp bubble that isolates them from the rest of normal space. The BUBBLE, being energy rather than matter, is what travels FTL, carrying the ship along inside it.
Looks beautiful. But yeah. Like some one said, the WARP-WINGS..(as I like to call them), are supposed to be lifted up..when WARPing. Still Looks sharp to me though.!
VERY nice job, but you need to correct the caption. Like most ships in the Trek multiverse, Starfleet ships don't jump into hyperspace to travel FTL. They surround the ship with a warp bubble that allows the ship to travel FTL in NORMAL space (it's actually the warp bubble that travels FTL, while the ship is carried inside it floating stationary in a pocket of normal space surrounded by the bubble). That's how they avoid the conundrum of matter not being able to travel FTL in normal space, and yet keep the ship in normal space. The warp BUBBLE travels FTL, carrying the pocket of normal space inside it, while the ship isn't moving at all in relation to the pocket of normal space it is floating in. This presents a huge advantage over "jump" technologies, because Trek ships can engage in battles while still traveling at warp speed, instead of having to drop to sublight to do it. The newer series all seem to ignore this fact that was well established in TOS, which showed numerous battles conducted at warp speed.
Thanks! And you are quite correct! I have learned my lesson for future videos. I've been wondering how to depict warp travel as you describe it. I mean does the enclosing 'bubble' take some physical form like a sphere? Does it conform to the surface of the ship? Is there a visible aspect? Is it subject to gravity? Could you be outside the ship in a space suit and be dragged along without harm? Could you warp an object outside the ship to a different location? Many fun questions! Oh, and instead of killing the original person in a transporter why not just warp them around locally? 🧐
@@bobhawkey3783 The warp bubble is invisible to the naked eye, but I imagine there are technologies that CAN "see" it, like Geordie's visor perhaps. The warp bubble does not touch or conform to the ship's surface. It's literally a bubble of normal space that the ship floats inside of, separated from the rest of normal space by the warp field. That's how one ship can extend its warp bubble to encompass a disabled second ship being towed, and carry it with the first ship inside the bubble when the first ship goes to warp with its own engines. Warp engines don't create any thrust to propel the ship forward (the impulse engines do - at sublight speed only). The warp engines provide energy to the warp nacelles which then create and shape the warp bubble in an angular way, bulbous at the bow, and more narrow at the stern, so that the "pressure" of normal space on all sides of the bubble forces it forward like squeezing a teardrop shaped bar of soap would make the soap slip forward out of your hand. The sharper the taper of the bubble, the faster you go. Unlike the hyperspace jumps in other SF stories, which are typically straight-line travel only, Trek starships can easily change course while at warp by altering the shape of the bubble so that it is pushed by normal space toward the new heading. I hope this helps, and keep up the good work!
@@michelleann1910 Thanks so much! Makes reasonable sense. Sadly, like most {real} science - not that cinematic! Haha. Definitely will watch my terminology though.
@bobhawkey3783 Well, if you watch any of the shows, there IS a visible effect when a ship goes to warp. You can't see the bubble, but there's a distortion of light when the bubble forms and begins "warping" the ship FTL that makes the ship look like the front of the ship is "stretching" forward away from the rest, then the whole ship suddenly shoots forward and disappears in a flash of light created by exceeding light speed. When the viewpoint switches to the other side of the flash, you see the "stretched" front of the ship appear from the flash and the rest of the ship "catch up" with it (another visual distortion). At that point, the starship looks like a normal ship whizzing through the star field, but it's actually being carried by the invisible warp bubble around it at warp speeds.
Hey, what do you know? Voyager looks perfectly fine when she’s traveling at warp without the nacelles being bent up stupidly. Wish this is what we’d gotten in the actual show. And to anyone who disagrees, that’s fine, but I ask you to consider the following: 1) The Bussard collectors on the nacelles are meant to collect stray particles in space for fuel (not necessarily enough to refuel all the way, but to slightly extend their fuel reserves). And they are meant to operate both at sublight speeds and at warp. So how are they doing that at warp when they’re rotated up and the Bussard collectors are behind the saucer section? You know what I saw when I saw Voyager traveling at warp like this? I saw Bussard collectors that could plausibly do their jobs. 2) We know the stated reasons for why the nacelles need to be rotated up for warp flight. Nacelles in Star Trek are generally meant to have line of sight with each other and nothing in the way. (This was never a hard and fast rule, just look at ST3. The Oberth’s nacelles had line of sight, yes, but they also had the back of the saucer between the nacelles. And the Klingon Bird of Prey’s wings are usually shown level when at warp; no line of sight at all.) And the Intrepid class’s moving nacelles are meant to be an improvement on warp technology, making them faster or more fuel efficient or safer for the environment (or some combination of all three). So there is a reason for the nacelles to be upraised at warp. Now answer this: why do they have to rotate back down? Why not just leave them rotated up at warp, rotated up at impulse, rotated up in standard orbit, rotated up when docked at a station, rotated up when the ship lands on a planet, rotated up all the time? What function does rotating the nacelles back level serve?
Haha, they apparently do! This one suffered a technical issue and they ran out of WD40. Seriously though, this 3D model doesn't support that. I'll be looking for an alternative! Good catch.
@@bobhawkey3783 Catch? Anyone who has ever seen one episode of Voyager knows that. Also the Bird of Prey has its wings in the wrong position. They should at least be flat stretched out and not in the down position. Star Trek hasn´t always been fully consistent with this but in most cases as well as the official statements the "down" position is usually "attack mode", not "flight" and or "warp".
Ummmm....WRONG! The nacelles on an Intrepid class need to rotate upward 45 degrees before entering warp, and starships can't fire when at warp! Forget that JJ Abrams BS the Vengeance did in 'Into Darkness'.
You are correct sir! I did correct them but it took a while to learn how to re-model the nacelles in blender. ua-cam.com/video/iO0O6lzkwo8/v-deo.htmlsi=Kgkqxu9eT4spc4XQ
They fired torpedoes while in warp multiple times in TNG and Voyager. Torpedoes are equipped with warp field sustainers so they stay at whatever warp speed they are launched at.
@@chrisstetsko5020Phasers have also been fired at warp. The Voyager episode with the prometheus has lots of at-warp phaser firing. There are probably more instances too.
That was a really good looking warp. I could definitley see why they can it a warp engine. Excellently done. The only issue I have is with the warp nacelles. They are in the wrong position for an Intrepid class vessel. They should be approximatley 45⁰ along the vertical plane.
Also, wrong franchise. Star Trek has warp, not hyperspace.
@@asvarien thanks. I've struggled with the concept of what's 'canon'. I kinda decided to ignore it but you are completely correct of course and it would have been easy to correct.
Nice suggestion, if more space travel methods are suppose to add, such as quantum tunnelings and hyper-space jump drive to existed stargates, etc, it's would be more fantastic vlog.
Keep up the good work! But next time consider elecating the nacelles into warp position ^^
I went back and had a look at the model. Regrettably the two nacelles are a single mesh object and cannot be rotated independently. If I had better blender skills I could probably fix it but I'm really bad at blender. It would indeed look very cool to be able to raise and lower them!
@@bobhawkey3783 he meant to say hyperspace position.
you mean hyperspace position
@@TheRoflcopter2012 haha, potato potahto? Lol. I think you could actually get more views if you just constantly used non-canon terminology.
@TheRoflcopter2012 No, he truly doesn't, because Trek starships don't use hyperspace to travel FTL. Hyperspace is another dimension that you "jump" into so that you are not bound by the physics of normal space that make moving matter at FTL speeds impossible. Trek starships never jump into hyperspace. Instead, they are able to travel FTL in NORMAL space by surrounding the ship with a warp bubble that isolates them from the rest of normal space. The BUBBLE, being energy rather than matter, is what travels FTL, carrying the ship along inside it.
Two things to add, Voy nacels should be up at warp speed. And also, Voy is so much quicker that the old D class. But the animation looks good.
Looks beautiful. But yeah. Like some one said, the WARP-WINGS..(as I like to call them), are supposed to be lifted up..when WARPing. Still Looks sharp to me though.!
I have a 1701 D I might replace it with. Unless I can find a model with nacelles that can be rotated. 😉
@@bobhawkey3783 sounds cool!
That's not hyperspace, that's the Time Vortex!
Going strong!
the nacelles are articulated incorrectly, and the BoP wings should be up not down at warp speeds...
Lol. I'm never gonna live that down. My other videos (have a look) correct that heinous error.
Very interesting.
engines should be in warp position imho
Thanks! Noted and fixed in other videos.
Wanted to see how this ends! Side view warp was excellent 👌
Lol. Me too! I'll get around to it eventually. 😬
VERY nice job, but you need to correct the caption. Like most ships in the Trek multiverse, Starfleet ships don't jump into hyperspace to travel FTL. They surround the ship with a warp bubble that allows the ship to travel FTL in NORMAL space (it's actually the warp bubble that travels FTL, while the ship is carried inside it floating stationary in a pocket of normal space surrounded by the bubble). That's how they avoid the conundrum of matter not being able to travel FTL in normal space, and yet keep the ship in normal space. The warp BUBBLE travels FTL, carrying the pocket of normal space inside it, while the ship isn't moving at all in relation to the pocket of normal space it is floating in. This presents a huge advantage over "jump" technologies, because Trek ships can engage in battles while still traveling at warp speed, instead of having to drop to sublight to do it. The newer series all seem to ignore this fact that was well established in TOS, which showed numerous battles conducted at warp speed.
Thanks! And you are quite correct! I have learned my lesson for future videos. I've been wondering how to depict warp travel as you describe it. I mean does the enclosing 'bubble' take some physical form like a sphere? Does it conform to the surface of the ship? Is there a visible aspect? Is it subject to gravity? Could you be outside the ship in a space suit and be dragged along without harm? Could you warp an object outside the ship to a different location? Many fun questions! Oh, and instead of killing the original person in a transporter why not just warp them around locally? 🧐
@@bobhawkey3783 The warp bubble is invisible to the naked eye, but I imagine there are technologies that CAN "see" it, like Geordie's visor perhaps. The warp bubble does not touch or conform to the ship's surface. It's literally a bubble of normal space that the ship floats inside of, separated from the rest of normal space by the warp field. That's how one ship can extend its warp bubble to encompass a disabled second ship being towed, and carry it with the first ship inside the bubble when the first ship goes to warp with its own engines.
Warp engines don't create any thrust to propel the ship forward (the impulse engines do - at sublight speed only). The warp engines provide energy to the warp nacelles which then create and shape the warp bubble in an angular way, bulbous at the bow, and more narrow at the stern, so that the "pressure" of normal space on all sides of the bubble forces it forward like squeezing a teardrop shaped bar of soap would make the soap slip forward out of your hand. The sharper the taper of the bubble, the faster you go. Unlike the hyperspace jumps in other SF stories, which are typically straight-line travel only, Trek starships can easily change course while at warp by altering the shape of the bubble so that it is pushed by normal space toward the new heading.
I hope this helps, and keep up the good work!
@@michelleann1910 Thanks so much! Makes reasonable sense. Sadly, like most {real} science - not that cinematic! Haha. Definitely will watch my terminology though.
@bobhawkey3783 Well, if you watch any of the shows, there IS a visible effect when a ship goes to warp. You can't see the bubble, but there's a distortion of light when the bubble forms and begins "warping" the ship FTL that makes the ship look like the front of the ship is "stretching" forward away from the rest, then the whole ship suddenly shoots forward and disappears in a flash of light created by exceeding light speed. When the viewpoint switches to the other side of the flash, you see the "stretched" front of the ship appear from the flash and the rest of the ship "catch up" with it (another visual distortion). At that point, the starship looks like a normal ship whizzing through the star field, but it's actually being carried by the invisible warp bubble around it at warp speeds.
@@michelleann1910 I'm gonna get ChatGPT to write a script to do that scaling effect!
I guess Voyager had just been professionally detailed before it went out on that mission, as it was waaaay shiny!
Haha. Yeah, I kinda agonized over that. The lighting is naturally completely wrong as well. We sacrifice accuracy for glitz eh?
@@bobhawkey3783 Yeah - it still looks great, though!
Hey, what do you know? Voyager looks perfectly fine when she’s traveling at warp without the nacelles being bent up stupidly. Wish this is what we’d gotten in the actual show.
And to anyone who disagrees, that’s fine, but I ask you to consider the following:
1) The Bussard collectors on the nacelles are meant to collect stray particles in space for fuel (not necessarily enough to refuel all the way, but to slightly extend their fuel reserves). And they are meant to operate both at sublight speeds and at warp. So how are they doing that at warp when they’re rotated up and the Bussard collectors are behind the saucer section? You know what I saw when I saw Voyager traveling at warp like this? I saw Bussard collectors that could plausibly do their jobs.
2) We know the stated reasons for why the nacelles need to be rotated up for warp flight. Nacelles in Star Trek are generally meant to have line of sight with each other and nothing in the way. (This was never a hard and fast rule, just look at ST3. The Oberth’s nacelles had line of sight, yes, but they also had the back of the saucer between the nacelles. And the Klingon Bird of Prey’s wings are usually shown level when at warp; no line of sight at all.) And the Intrepid class’s moving nacelles are meant to be an improvement on warp technology, making them faster or more fuel efficient or safer for the environment (or some combination of all three). So there is a reason for the nacelles to be upraised at warp.
Now answer this: why do they have to rotate back down? Why not just leave them rotated up at warp, rotated up at impulse, rotated up in standard orbit, rotated up when docked at a station, rotated up when the ship lands on a planet, rotated up all the time? What function does rotating the nacelles back level serve?
Great analysis of something I wish I was qualified to comment on! My expertise stops at 'Spaceship pretty'.☺️
Well, you succeeded at that anyway.
More please!
Don't Intrepid-class vessels like Voyager raise their nacelles when in warp drive?
Haha, they apparently do! This one suffered a technical issue and they ran out of WD40. Seriously though, this 3D model doesn't support that. I'll be looking for an alternative! Good catch.
@@bobhawkey3783 Catch? Anyone who has ever seen one episode of Voyager knows that. Also the Bird of Prey has its wings in the wrong position. They should at least be flat stretched out and not in the down position. Star Trek hasn´t always been fully consistent with this but in most cases as well as the official statements the "down" position is usually "attack mode", not "flight" and or "warp".
@@robertmandl9326 I'm certainly getting educated on all these details! Thanks!
Big mistake, if the ship is operating in Warp then the nacelles would bed tilted up... As depicted, that's the config for impulse cruise...
Yea indeed! Maybe check out my most recent video. Took me a while to re-do the model so that the nacelles could be pivoted. Apologies.
Ummmm....WRONG! The nacelles on an Intrepid class need to rotate upward 45 degrees before entering warp, and starships can't fire when at warp! Forget that JJ Abrams BS the Vengeance did in 'Into Darkness'.
You are correct sir! I did correct them but it took a while to learn how to re-model the nacelles in blender.
ua-cam.com/video/iO0O6lzkwo8/v-deo.htmlsi=Kgkqxu9eT4spc4XQ
@@bobhawkey3783 Call it a "work in progress".
They fired torpedoes while in warp multiple times in TNG and Voyager. Torpedoes are equipped with warp field sustainers so they stay at whatever warp speed they are launched at.
@@michaelpickard8779 You're correct. I was thinking about the 'phasers' when I typed that.
@@chrisstetsko5020Phasers have also been fired at warp. The Voyager episode with the prometheus has lots of at-warp phaser firing. There are probably more instances too.
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