I've pieced this stuff from multiple sources across the net. Here's what I've found out: Fallout is made up of A, B and G types of radiation. Your dosimeter can not tell you what type, it can only respond to radiation. Also, there are all kinds of types of substances that can emit radiation that can be blasted in the atmosphere. The half life of each substance is different (or how long it emits dangerous levels of radiation.) Substances that emit A-types of radiation could last decades, even centuries. However, A-type only hurts you if you ingest or inhale it. It's not strong enough to pernitrate your skin. A-type is why you see everyone wearing gas masks and hazmat suits. B-types can penetrate you body and its why you put as much dense stuff between you and it, such as lead or concrete. Again, radiation emitted by B's can also last decades or centuries. G-type can not be stopped. They pass through everything. The only way you can survive it is to get away from it. It is HOPEFULL you do not have some of the hard stuff on top of your shelter. If you do, your shelter is no longer viable. You'll need to evacuate depending on what it is. If your underground, and the meter goes off immediately, then you got some G on top of you. Depending on the rate, your screwed if you stay. If after 48 hours and you stick your probe above the lip of your shelter and it goes off, its up to you on how long you want wait to try again. More than likely you just got something that takes more time to cool off. If it were me, I'd button back up, and chill out another few weeks, then take another read. Odd's are it will drop off enough to be safe to move. That's why the old department of energy guides had recommended 6 to 8 weeks worth of supplies. That's just to stay in your shelter. You'll need more to rebuild after. So keep that in mind when it comes to supplies. In the end if its something like a dirty bomb and you got some Cobalt 60 on top of you, it doesn't really matter how long you wait. That stuff will outlast you by a long shot and the problem is you wont know unless you got very specific lab equipment which is not widely available. So take a measure and decide calmly. The trick is NOT TO PANIC. Read the meter, check the charts, make a decision, plan a course of action, then execute. If you can't get underground, then get high. Example: if you see a five story building, then get on the fourth floor. You don't want to be on the fifth floor because of fallout accumulated on the roof, but on the fourth floor, you're away from the ground that has accumulated A LOT more fallout than the roof and you'll have more protection. It should be understood to avoid windows. Get to the center of the building if possible. Nuclear winter is a theory, but it has some sound logic behind it. When these bombs go off, they blast debris into the upper atmosphere, all the way into the stratosphere. This is above all clouds. and it's proven that it can take days, weeks, even years for all of it to come back down. It's theorized that if enough debris is blasted up, then it COULD reduce the amount of sunlight we get on the ground. If phenomenon occurs, then how bad it will be or how long it will last is conjecture so planning for it is tough. Best to store lots of water and food. Greenhouses will be a reaaaaaly good idea. Sunlamps will increase their efficiency. Solar power will be weakened if not useless. Wind turbines will still function. Storing power will be essential. In the long term, remember that humans are the most successful when working together and pooling their resources. It will be tough to overcome fear, but its tougher to survive alone. Anyways, that's my 2 cents. I hope this helps. I could be wrong on some of this, so take it with a grain of salt. The data I pulled is from various sources, including a nuclear energy professor, data from the energy department, and a patchwork of videos and other assorted whatnot around the web.
Lot of information in there, but I did notice a few misconceptions that I'd like to clear up: 1) gamma radiation definitely can be stopped. It's the most difficult to stop as well as the most dangerous to most living organisms, but 3 feet of dirt reduces levels of gamma radiation from 1,000 cgy/h all the way down to 0.5 cgw/h. 2) a Geiger counter actually can tell you what kind of radiation it's reading. Alpha can be blocked with paper, and beta with aliminium, meaning you can rule out both beta and alpha, telling you how much of your reading is coming from gamma. Many geiger counters actually have an integrated beta shield, or you can use a few sheets of aliminium foil. 3) The half life of radioactive materials does not tell you have long it is dangerous, it simply tells you how long it will take for its intensity to halve. I've seen it explained as though it's a bottle of whiskey that someone keeps drinking half of repeatedly, it will never quite be zero (not actually quite that simple) but will keep *halving* repeatedly. 4) beta radiation cannot penetrate your body, it's actually stopped in your skin. 5) Alpha isn't any worse to breath in than are beta and gamma, so the gas masks are equally as necessary for all 3 types. (Edit: Obviously you can't actually breath in radiation, I meant alpha emitting isotopes/elements are no worse than beta and gamma emitting elements and isotopes.) 6) the type of radiation emitted does not, as far as I'm aware, correlate with the half life of the material emitting that radiation. One thing I wanted to add also is the inverse square law. The internet can explain it better than me, so here's a copy of Wikipedia: Specifically, an inverse square law says that intensity equals the inverse of the square of the distance from the source. For example, the radiation exposure from a point source (with no shielding) gets smaller the farther away it is. If the source is 2x as far away, it's 1/4 as much exposure. To further simplify that in case someone isn't well versed in math, basically, intensity of radiation from its source fall of exponentially the further away from it you are. It doesn't actually take much space at all to decrease intensity of even the most nasty elements to a safe level, the problem is just that fallout could land near you in the case of a nuclear detonation. One more thing (don't think I mentioned this yet and too lazy to check) is that the shorter the half life of an element is, generally, the more intense its radiation is. Uranium 235? You could vibe next to a big hunk of that for however much time you please and you would likely never encounter an issue because it's half life is 700 million years. But xenon 135? It's half life is 9.2 hours. Unless there's some factor I'm unaware of, xenon 135, based on its half life, is NASTY stuff. If you can survive all of that, the real annoyance is things like cesium 137 with a half life of 30 years. Just long enough to take forever to degrade, just short enough to screw you up
@@mcnuggatron2129 Thankyou mcnuccleton I was going to correct the G Gamma error too. They can address this by including an s bend at the entrance. Adding lead to the entrance & building up a (moveable) barrier at that entry point for extra protection and keeping distance from it.
@@dakotaarnold3712 The more you "like" it the more he thinks it is what you want so you either want him to keep interrupting the expert or you don't! There is no two ways about it.
Never said there was two ways about it, Just said my opinion on a UA-cam comment. I don't even like the video as it is my first time seeing it and the last time i will see it. He's disrespectful and so impatient to allow the expert to say his knowledge yet he asked questions that were already explained earlier in the meeting/interview so there-fore yes it is very annoying to watch and not get the full in-tell of what he is trying to explain. As if i like the video i do not, he has a very poor way of commentating and very bad choice of questions. If you do not like what i said do not bother replying to me as i don't want to hear it.
For Those still wondering.. The low rang meter is for low levels of radiation meaning the meter top out fast and doesn't go high enough to tell you how much immediately lethal radiation is out there. That why you move to a high range meter. But the high range meter isn't sensitive enough to detect little bits of radiation its only for high doses so them you'd move to the low range.
It is a bit more complicated. When a geiger counter saturates, it reports ZERO. But there's ALWAYS some radiation, so if it reports zero, it is either dead, turned off, or really "hot".
Retired Navy, Radiation Safety Officer, and State training officer for radiation safety. Your presentation is pretty much spot on. One more thing. Old CDV’s are much more resistant to EMP than the new meters.
This guy is giving good information. You need to stay in your bunker until the blast wave passes by, anywhere from 1 second to 2 minutes after detonation. If there is nearby fallout, you want to stay out of it for a couple weeks but you could walk through it after a couple days. Stay away from the detonation site for up to a year is best.
Your missing the point there is no nuclear bomb . 0 percent nuke 100 percent paranoia. Is putin honestly going to nuke another country with nukes when he himself and his family would also be nuked. And why nuke Ukraine when he wants the country they'll be no wheat crops if the land is toxic. Unless you live in Ukraine you can sleep easy. 😴
When I was a kid we put a shelter under the concrete patio of our house when my Dad (USAF) was stationed in the suburbs of DC in the 70s. I remember him explaining all of this stuff to me. I had forgotten a lot of it, but I'm so glad you're here to help us all understand it. Who would have thought our country would have come to what it is now. I thought we had left all of this stuff in the past. But....(Hopefully we will never have to use this, God willing...)
The past is Immortal, once Pandoras Box is opened it can't be closed. The past waits like a snake in the dark to strike again. Forget about that snake at your peril.
*JESUS BRO... IF YOU DIDN'T INTERRUPT, THE MAN LITERALLY TELLS YOU THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK AGAIN LATER!* But it was a very good video. It was really informative. Thank you for posting it and going the distance.
I was wondering why he kept interrupting the interviewee. He asked about "checking food?" Twice. He asked if the unit was a Geiger counter or radiation meter. He didn't seem to listen.
I worked in nuclear power plants and you have to be very careful when dealing with radiation above the normal background radiation. I will say this. If there is ever a nuclear attack, A LOT of people will die from it solely from ignorance. None of your bodily senses can detect even high levels of radiation and by the time they start getting the symptoms...it is too late. It is the one thing not to play around with or be ignotant of. Learn all you can about nuclear radiation, the symptoms and what to do if you get a dose. Be careful and be safe.
I really wish Ron would have not interrupted Shane so much. Shane was either about to answer, clearly, what Ron jumped in with, usually badly phrased or just wrong. Ron may make great bunkers but he does not interview (this) experts well.
The Nagasaki bomb run was a failure because it missed the target and detonated in a valley thus attenuating the blast wave. However the advise about duck and cover still applies regardless of what causes the explosion. A good example is the asteroid explosion over Chelobinsk Russia. A school teacher remembered their duck and cover drills and evacuated the class into the hallway saving them from the shards of glass blown across the class room five minutes later. Don't run to the window to watch. It might become the last thing you will ever see for the rest of your life. Make like Burt the turtle.
The bomb was a success because it showed Japan what would happen if another one dropped. I toured Hiroshima many times while stationed in Japan in 76. I hope and pray we never see another one used although this saved many American lives in the end .
Actually, an air burst is set to detonate at an altitude that allows the fireball to reach maximum expansion as it touches the ground. This is the city killer weapon.
@@bombsaway6340 Not at all. Nukes and nearly all modern explosives don't even have a fireball. There is a difference between a explosive igniting and an explosive detonating. C4 for example, we all know what it is. Its pretty much RDX and a plasticizer. You can light a block of C4 on fire, and it will burn slowly, hell a lot of military manuals say that you can use it as an emergency fuel. Detonation is a whole different story. A block of C4 will burn for a couple minutes, while it detonates at 24,000 feet per secand when detonated. There is no fireball. Fireballs from explosives are a hollywood myth.
@@bombsaway6340 From wikipedia : "The air burst is usually 100 to 1,000 m (330 to 3,280 ft) above the hypocenter to allow the shockwave of the fission or fusion driven explosion to bounce off the ground and back into itself, creating a shockwave that is more forceful than one from a detonation at ground level. This "mach stem" only occurs near ground level...."
Great video! In the event of a nuclear attack, it's very important to have a portable AM/FM radio to keep up-to-date on any information about possible additional nuclear weapon detonations. Many septic tank companies build concrete storm shelters. I've checked the price of a concrete storm shelter ($1,200.00). Make sure you have at least eight inches of concrete in the walls and ceiling. I would add some solid blocks of concrete on the top and the walls of the storm shelter to reach that eight inch thickness of concrete. I would keep some sand bags available to block the door of the storm shelter. I would build a concrete hallway in front of the entrance door so fallout would have less chance of entering the shelter.
@@alexanderblohme5044 I was thinking about this with a lot of countries. The televisions have gone completely digital in the UK, and digital radio is probably the most widely used now. I imagine it likely won't be long until the analogue transmitters for radio will be turned off there too. Then again, providing satellite Wi-Fi (such as Starlink) isn't taken out pre-emptively, I suppose that might be an alternative. I have a feeling the United kingdom government sense this coming change, as they are setting up Emergency Alerts as a new service from the UK government. It’s expected to launch in autumn 2022. Emergency alerts will warn citizens if there’s a danger to life nearby. So in an emergency, phones or tablets will receive an alert with advice about how to stay safe. I would wonder if that might be why the UK is dabbling in satellites right now?
Personally I like to stay in my shelter after a nuclear war a few weeks to make sure everything cools down before I come bouncing out to check the mail.
I think an important thing to remember when talking about radiation and contamination is how to remember the difference. In Nuke School they taught use this simple analogy. Dog Shit is contamination, and the smell is radiation. If you have the mess on you (contamination) you will receive more radiation and track it. But the smell (radiation) gets less the farther you are from it. This is where the detectors come in handy since you can't smell radiation, you need to know if you have it, especially before entering your bunker.
I talked to a few ex military guys and they were told from their training that if a small tactical nuclear device hits a nuclear power plant you are talking a huge increase in order of magnitude of lethality when it comes to radiation.
You don't even need something to hit a nuclear power plant. Everyone has heard about Chernobyl. Uncontrollable fire, non-nuclear explosion but that threw out enough radio active material into the direct environment and the atmosphere above most of Europe.
Nuclear plants in the US are much better designed than Chernobyl. When the meltdown happened at Three Mile Island, no contamination was released to the public. It was all kept in containment as designed.
@@justadood3167 There were some gasses released but it was xenon and some iodine but in quantities too small to be bad, despite the claims of the anti-nuke people. It's interesting that they claim there was this big release of radioactive materials but then can't explain why only a couple of their third party indicators showed anything but thousands of other indicators did not.
Very informative! Sure wished our country's public schools trained on this so that we could be informed and ready as teachers. After all, should there be an event during school hours, it would be up to the teachers and school employees to protect and care for the children entrusted to us by their families.
I was just thinking about this. What if we actually have a nuclear war and we get hit during school hours? Supposedly it’s safer to leave the kids at school until safe enough to move them but I mean how are the teachers prepared for this? How do I know my daughter will still be alive when I come pick her up?
The issue with the CDV series is lets say its calibrated, the electronics are 60 years old so there is no guarantee that they will always stay in calibration. unless they are changing the capacitors with new ones. Now what I would recommend for 2019 is the Canberra ADM-300 Survey meter. Those meters provide a wide dynamic range equivalent to both the low and high range CDV meters and would measure up to 10000R/hr In addition they offer continuous built in self test so if anything happens to the meter during operation it will alert to failure so you dont end up getting a false reading. I have checked the ADM-300s and they have all measured within calibration. They run around 200-300 a unit.
When you use a septic tank burry it the way that you can enter it from the side like through a tunnel and have the ability to cover the entrance which can even be done by parachute, tarp or poncho.
I had my pocket NukAlert recalibrated (and battery replaced) last spring. At that time it was still working after more than 12 years. turnaround was one week. The nice thing is that there are no controls to mess with, and it's always on. Now, if only I could afford one of Ron's shelters. Oh well. As for the critiques of Ron's interviewing skills (or lack thereof), consider that most people these days would probably do the same thing, because they're waiting for what they want to hear, and (in large part due to the diseducation system's dumbing us down) not understanding what the guy is actually saying.
Family Guy voice: So what's the difference? Old man explains Family Guy voice: So what's the difference? Old man explains Family Guy voice: So what's the difference? 🐒🙄
When Chinoble went up the dust went over Europe and over the North of England and because it rained my brother got wet going to work and back and was soon in a military hospital for nearly 3 months and this was covered up. And he is now sterile and after 12 years he was re tested and he was Still 10x over the national average for radiation in his body.
Fun fact: I used the Geiger/Radiation counter at a lab I worked in to see if my mom’s flea market glass was authentic vintage or a new reproduction. Green glass from the 1930s had some form of well bound beta emitter (forget what) that would send the Geiger counter off.
uranium glass can be verified in a much more economic and concrete way, as well as spectacular, just illuminate them with a wood lamp, they will shine with a fluorescent green/yellow/orange, and this is how I keep my collection in the windows, always ready to be illuminated by the wood lights that I have set up.
God bless you Ron. It’s people like you that save many lives well in advance. Thank you for this video - and many of your shelter videos. I can’t wait for you guys to start installing underground shelters here in Australia. When will you guys start your work in Australia??
All super interesting. Have a friend who wants me help him build a 8' by 8' cement block shelter in his basement but can't figure out how and what do do for the ceiling as to have ceiling of the darn thing support the 12" blocks that go on top (bricks are also filled up prior to placement with cement or guess you could use sand maybe. Was thinking maybe run those 4 by 4 fence post across for ceiling beams every 2 feet maybe to 4 by 4 going up for support along walls etc?
What type of radiation do they measure? You can respond differently to the type of radiation. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Neutron particles are different. Simple clothing & face mask will protect you against alpha and beta but you do not want to ingest them (they are big slow particles and will cause a lot of damage). Gamma and Neutron (the most energetic) the best shielding for them is time and distance. The saying goes if you bake them all into a cookie, hold the alpha cookie in your hand, put the beta cookie in your pocket, eat the gamma cookie (gamma particles are small & fast so will pass through you causing minor damage), and throw away the neutron cookie, they fast decaying and hide behind concert barrier far away.
1-3 days and it's safe to be outside... is that true? I honestly haven't research the topic but I would assume it could take years for the radiation to transmute or for humans to safely walk outside??
@@anthonyfu433 1-3 days is when theirs a lethal dose of radiation then after the 3rd day it's safe since the radiation lost its lethality. But you can also die years later after a nuclear fall out due too the radiation that the body ingested
Lilly!!! Love you! Love your content! It is so great to watch you out there doing all of the things that you do. I have learned so much from you and I appreciate all of your videos. Many thanks!
Stopped by there probably 15 years ago when I was working in the area and they showed me around. Had them calibrate one of my high level meters for me. This place really exists.
Very cool, very informative. I learned SO much more in that one video than I'd heard all my life. Very sad how unknowledgeable even a grown and somewhat intelligent adult such as myself is about such an important subject. Should be mandatory teaching in the school systems, could be taught very briefly in health/gym class.
Holy crap the second guy (Ron?) is completely clueless about radiation. Then he interrupts and don't listen or remember what Shane Connor is telling you. On positive side, this is excellent info and resources and whoever watches this can learn enough to save their lives. He didnt talk about loose contamination which is one of if not the most dangerous Loose contamination is why you need the low level meter to check food , water - bc loose contamination becomes internally a very high dose to cells of your body that are unshielded
Since I live 5 minutes from downtown Houston, I don't think I'll need any of his devices. Interesting video, though. Thanks. BTW, you asked very interesting questions to pull more information from the man. I was not annoyed at all.
@Bill Randall nope, I can tell you that they have several backups for aiming and they are EMP protected like crazy. Quite a bit of things are mechanical and not electrical or electronic. They are designed way better than almost everyone can even think of. Not saying more than that. As far as Russias? Who knows!
You could build a shelter in a back corner and live easily if it is 5mi or greater. I am 7 miles from a semi major city in the 100,000 to 1mil population and I am not worried. Remember two weeks inside and that radiation is a tiny fraction of what it is. Even two days will help a lot. Time and distance are great allies. If you could wait two weeks and find a better place you'd be OK if you made only a short trip. Better bet would be to get out of your city NOW. That is what I wished I could do.
Word of advice- when in the presence of someone who is more knowledgeable than you DON'T INTERRUPT. It's extremely frustrating for the person trying to teach you and it almost always results in you obtaining a substandard education. Also, don't make assumptions but ask questions rather than making statements of your questions. You see if I ask you a direct question without presumptive context it allows to go straight to an answer but if my question is actually a statement or contains presumptive material your teacher is forced to stop their train of thought to correct the false assumption before even considering an answer to the question. The worst thing is the frustration the teacher will experience because it makes them less likely to want to give you any more lessons. The reason you have a low I.Q. is not because your brain isn't as good as someone else's. Your brain is functioning perfectly and it shows. It's also not because of a lack of good teachers. Teachers are almost obsolete now since the world's information is in everybody's pocket. You were just never taught how to be a good student. The best teacher in the world can't teach anything to a bad student. You're not a terrible student but you're missing out on a lot by not being so great at being a student. I'll give you an example: He was talking about the two meters and their difference in range... You had a question but instead of voicing the question or admitting you didn't understand him you made an incorrect statement saying something about the meters detecting from different distances and most of your viewers at that moment cringed and were thinking about the facepalm smiley... Your friend played it off well by not making you look stupid in your own video but I'm completely baffled by the fact that you didn't redo the segment after that. This tells me that you aren't very embarrassed by it and don't feel caught with your pants down. So you must think it's NORMAL to be presumptuous with anyone trying to teach you anything....and you'd be correct. It IS normal and normal is average and average people aren't worth taking time to watch on UA-cam.
I've been familiar with the ki4u guys for a long time. Their web site is really dated but the info isn't. They know radiation. Granted they need to hire someone to redo their website but radiation detection/protection is all they do. Good people.
Mr. Conner's explanation of the radioactive decay of fallout (the 7/10 rule) is one of the most succinct I've heard in some time. Hollywood movies like "On The Beach" have fallout persisting forever, which is fine for a doomsday movie, but is thankfully not reality. People should be prepared to spend 2 weeks in their shelter. This means at a bare minimum of filtered air, water, food, and provision for human waste (poop and pee). Then there's amenities like light, heat, and something to do to while away 2 weeks time.
It's not so much about whether or not it will immediately affect you. Think about the situation after a nuclear war....civilization would have collapsed and most people on Earth would be dead. The entire reason for Fallout shelters is for long term survival of your family or the human race. Even if the radiation is 0.001%, it could still lead to genetic problems for your kids and immediate physical problems in general. You will need a way to safely produce food. You can't do that safely in soil even years after a Nuclear war. Just because you survive the initial blast, doesn't mean you'll actually survive the aftermath. Hell, the Earth won't even have healed to a recognizable state by the time you die. Think of how long it will take for the soil to become safe again. Likely decades, if not over 100 years to be fully safe again.
They really minimize how nasty persistent, and insidious alpha emitters are. The alpha emitters are just one of the many things that will make life nearly unbearable for people who survive the first few weeks after a full nuclear exchange, but that doesn't help sell bunkers.
Question: that guy calibrating the g counters, why didn't he have protective gear sitting so close to the radiation generator, are leaks completely impossible? It was very odd that he wouldn't let you show too much of that room, was there a sign outside the room warning of radiation?
So roughly 2 days after the bomb explosion it’s safe to go out after an attack. What about an accidental catastrophe of a power plant or something. There are places in Pripyat Ukraine that are still radiating Decades after the event. Can we get a video on how if your living close to or the vicinity of such a power plant that went critical. You might be stuck living in a contaminated region possibly for decades. How does one over come those conditions? What possible routines may be adopted to adapt in confinement for such long periods of time? If one hazmat like a full body suit to go out in and when is it safe to do so? and what decontamination procedures one takes after doing so? That should be a separate video all in itself.
I would say the amount of time would depend on the yield of the weapon used if it was an air burst vs a ground burst and how far you were from ground zero (GZ). The wind direction from the time of detonation to your location. The downwind hazard from GZ can vary and change with time. For every hour after the burst, the contamination deteriorates. Doing these sort of calculations was part of my Army MOS for 12 years. There is a lot more to calculating all of this than what I have stated. But basically what I stated hits the high points. Bottom line is if you have a bunker I would be investing in various radiation detection devices. Because radiation once it is present it never really reaches zero. If your meter reads .000000000001 that means there is still radiation present. Not much but it is still there.
At least 98 percent of people will be caught off guard when it finally happens, most will be at work or shopping etc, it's said that we will have less than 15 mins to get to a shelter before we even know we're going to get hit, if you're WHOLE family is home or within 15 mins of your shelter then you have a chance, unfortunately our families are in separate places during the day more than 15 mins away. A full nuclear exchange will be 100 times worse than you can ever imagine, the devastation will be beyond our wildest imagination. Sad but true.
Read www.GoodNewsNuke.com to see how 90% of the expected casualties are readily avoidable when affected populations are trained beforehand in what to do and not do from the first instant of any future surprise nuke detonation.
Further to my other comments, if there was a major event (& if I had to), the first place I would hit would be the Company's man office, to see if I could obtain their client list. Thoughts?
I intended to address your expert's never having fully answered the question about low vs. high range detectors, but it seems several of your commentators have already done so. Please, guy, take their suggestions to heart.
I read somewhere if you can detect radiation with the high range meter, then you're probably screwed. We average 45 CPM here in southern NM background. I have an old school Ludlum model 3, and an digital Inspector Alert with an Alpha Beta shield. Both are pretty cool. My kitchen granite has a hot spot that shows 350-400 CPM.
It's a matter of dosage. If your meter indicates high levels and you leave you are likely fine unless it's so incredibly high your lethal dosage is immediate. So the key is, if you have high levels get the hell out if able, otherwise find shelter with shielding, or die.
Writing a book about nuclear war in the 80s, since the only good stories on it are Threads and The Day After. This video was extremely helpful for research from a informed person.
Question for Shane if he reads this: if your sources are capable of 700R, you're almost @ 3/4 FS, on the 717 X100 range or do I have that wrong? How, since your UUT seems to be in a fixed position, are you periodically moving the cs137 source closer instead as the source reaches its half life? Are the calibrators capable of attenuation for each range, 0.1 and .025? Enjoyed the video.
Had a course in nuclear physics in college, many years ago.. Alpha particles ( helium nucleus, 2 protons and 2 neutrons) will be stopped by a sheet of paper or a tyvek suit. Beta particle ( an electron) will be stopped by metal or something that has some density. Gamma rays are high energy waves, like x rays but much shorter wave lengths. The way I learned it then was it can be stopped by 10 ft of dirt, or 3 ft of concrete. Even better, be someplace else. 😒 Alpha and Beta particles are usually attached to radioactive dust. The most dangerous part is if you inhale them. they get into your body and destroy your tissue. Must wear a good quality particle filter if you are going outside. If you have an air supply it would be a good idea to filter the air thru a high quality Hepa filter.
If we don't have a bunker, can we get concrete blocks and build an indoor shelter within our house. Eg, 6ft by 4ft? Could have thick wooden roof with sandbags on top.
Time, distance, and shielding! Most likely the biggest threat after a detonation (regarding radiation) will be all the small particles on the ground and in water. Don't ingest or inhale the dust or particles which all probably be have some Alpha/Beta contamination. Those particles will start damaging you internally if you do ingest them. But definitely good advice to stay shielded and protected for a minimum of 48 hrs. Utilize your comms to hear notification of what's going on outside and be patient.
Very true, being in certain groups in the military, I have learned a ridiculously large amount of knowledge for all this. With all honestly the amount I would stay in would be 4 weeks - 4 months. (4 months if I had a partner because the sanity thing does exist and it sucks) if I was alone I would say 2-4 months as long as I had many ways of entertaining myself
But just incase (and for all the long term beta rad) I have my own food supply for 5 years (already checked and swapped) aswell as a water reclaiming system, and extra water supplies.
I see ur catchn alota shade for interupting but hey, yhanku for bringn shane on and getn this video out there man n i kno u were just tryn break things down as simple as poss for us. U very well may have saved some lives w the info
Simple, basic question here. Regarding the times and hours cited for the degradation of radiation, does the source of the radiation (U235, dirty bombs, atomic vs fusion, and/or various isotopes, etc) affect the degradation time or curve profile that was discussed?
After the initial blast, and you survive, you don't have to stay in a shelter, in fact, you should move to where you can find resources not affected by the blast.
I wouldn't even have thought of Radiation measurement detectors....goes to show how good I would have been at preparing a bunker 😅. Id be thinking lots of tooth brushes, dental floss and mouth wash, washing powders; cleaning stuff, tissues, nasal decongestants, antacids , basic medications etc...
I guess really when you think about it, nuclear events are actually very survivable. The example is Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The reconstruction started less than a year after. Now they are both thriving metropolis again.
Help me out. If you're busy going about your day... and you don't see anything, don't have the radio or TV on....how will you know what just happened? What if you're on the highway and it happens? We need real-world exact directions as to what to do.
This is extraordinarily interesting. And somebody who studied physics, what you were saying is quite true. The Hollywood version of radioactivity is completely out of the realms of both logic and measurement. For instance, both alpha and beta radiation are quite easily flummoxed. Gamma however is a different story. The problem of course is after 78 to 200 hours all of the dust from fallout surrounds you, And the natural environment is still absorbing gamma ratios beyond acceptable limits. I’ve been to Chernobyl and its associated townships twice now without any compunction and wandered around freely. Of course I don’t eat or taste anything, and change my clothes afterwards.But as soon as I get within 500 m of the reactors themselves, you better believe I’m fully suited up.
in school I got duck and cover long ago. if any thing happens that gives me radiation I would be worse off because I already have a large TAD of radiation.
SHEESH Ron, let the man talk!! I'm still gonna have to go online to find the difference in the meters because you kept interrupting him!
Fucking annoying isnt he, and thick as shit too..... no wonder i didnt sub this channel.
@@mhappy01 IKR!! I thought it was just me for a second. What a fuking savage.
Yeah, cameraman is a gross savage
Yeah, he is a paranoid kook who misinterpreted everything the guy said. 😖
Well no wander when he is moron
I've pieced this stuff from multiple sources across the net. Here's what I've found out:
Fallout is made up of A, B and G types of radiation. Your dosimeter can not tell you what type, it can only respond to radiation. Also, there are all kinds of types of substances that can emit radiation that can be blasted in the atmosphere. The half life of each substance is different (or how long it emits dangerous levels of radiation.) Substances that emit A-types of radiation could last decades, even centuries. However, A-type only hurts you if you ingest or inhale it. It's not strong enough to pernitrate your skin. A-type is why you see everyone wearing gas masks and hazmat suits. B-types can penetrate you body and its why you put as much dense stuff between you and it, such as lead or concrete. Again, radiation emitted by B's can also last decades or centuries. G-type can not be stopped. They pass through everything. The only way you can survive it is to get away from it. It is HOPEFULL you do not have some of the hard stuff on top of your shelter. If you do, your shelter is no longer viable. You'll need to evacuate depending on what it is.
If your underground, and the meter goes off immediately, then you got some G on top of you. Depending on the rate, your screwed if you stay.
If after 48 hours and you stick your probe above the lip of your shelter and it goes off, its up to you on how long you want wait to try again. More than likely you just got something that takes more time to cool off. If it were me, I'd button back up, and chill out another few weeks, then take another read. Odd's are it will drop off enough to be safe to move. That's why the old department of energy guides had recommended 6 to 8 weeks worth of supplies. That's just to stay in your shelter. You'll need more to rebuild after. So keep that in mind when it comes to supplies.
In the end if its something like a dirty bomb and you got some Cobalt 60 on top of you, it doesn't really matter how long you wait. That stuff will outlast you by a long shot and the problem is you wont know unless you got very specific lab equipment which is not widely available. So take a measure and decide calmly. The trick is NOT TO PANIC. Read the meter, check the charts, make a decision, plan a course of action, then execute.
If you can't get underground, then get high. Example: if you see a five story building, then get on the fourth floor. You don't want to be on the fifth floor because of fallout accumulated on the roof, but on the fourth floor, you're away from the ground that has accumulated A LOT more fallout than the roof and you'll have more protection. It should be understood to avoid windows. Get to the center of the building if possible.
Nuclear winter is a theory, but it has some sound logic behind it. When these bombs go off, they blast debris into the upper atmosphere, all the way into the stratosphere. This is above all clouds. and it's proven that it can take days, weeks, even years for all of it to come back down. It's theorized that if enough debris is blasted up, then it COULD reduce the amount of sunlight we get on the ground. If phenomenon occurs, then how bad it will be or how long it will last is conjecture so planning for it is tough.
Best to store lots of water and food. Greenhouses will be a reaaaaaly good idea. Sunlamps will increase their efficiency. Solar power will be weakened if not useless. Wind turbines will still function. Storing power will be essential.
In the long term, remember that humans are the most successful when working together and pooling their resources. It will be tough to overcome fear, but its tougher to survive alone.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents. I hope this helps. I could be wrong on some of this, so take it with a grain of salt.
The data I pulled is from various sources, including a nuclear energy professor, data from the energy department, and a patchwork of videos and other assorted whatnot around the web.
Lot of information in there, but I did notice a few misconceptions that I'd like to clear up:
1) gamma radiation definitely can be stopped. It's the most difficult to stop as well as the most dangerous to most living organisms, but 3 feet of dirt reduces levels of gamma radiation from 1,000 cgy/h all the way down to 0.5 cgw/h.
2) a Geiger counter actually can tell you what kind of radiation it's reading. Alpha can be blocked with paper, and beta with aliminium, meaning you can rule out both beta and alpha, telling you how much of your reading is coming from gamma. Many geiger counters actually have an integrated beta shield, or you can use a few sheets of aliminium foil.
3) The half life of radioactive materials does not tell you have long it is dangerous, it simply tells you how long it will take for its intensity to halve. I've seen it explained as though it's a bottle of whiskey that someone keeps drinking half of repeatedly, it will never quite be zero (not actually quite that simple) but will keep *halving* repeatedly.
4) beta radiation cannot penetrate your body, it's actually stopped in your skin.
5) Alpha isn't any worse to breath in than are beta and gamma, so the gas masks are equally as necessary for all 3 types. (Edit: Obviously you can't actually breath in radiation, I meant alpha emitting isotopes/elements are no worse than beta and gamma emitting elements and isotopes.)
6) the type of radiation emitted does not, as far as I'm aware, correlate with the half life of the material emitting that radiation.
One thing I wanted to add also is the inverse square law. The internet can explain it better than me, so here's a copy of Wikipedia: Specifically, an inverse square law says that intensity equals the inverse of the square of the distance from the source. For example, the radiation exposure from a point source (with no shielding) gets smaller the farther away it is. If the source is 2x as far away, it's 1/4 as much exposure.
To further simplify that in case someone isn't well versed in math, basically, intensity of radiation from its source fall of exponentially the further away from it you are.
It doesn't actually take much space at all to decrease intensity of even the most nasty elements to a safe level, the problem is just that fallout could land near you in the case of a nuclear detonation.
One more thing (don't think I mentioned this yet and too lazy to check) is that the shorter the half life of an element is, generally, the more intense its radiation is. Uranium 235? You could vibe next to a big hunk of that for however much time you please and you would likely never encounter an issue because it's half life is 700 million years.
But xenon 135? It's half life is 9.2 hours. Unless there's some factor I'm unaware of, xenon 135, based on its half life, is NASTY stuff.
If you can survive all of that, the real annoyance is things like cesium 137 with a half life of 30 years. Just long enough to take forever to degrade, just short enough to screw you up
This is good info
@@mcnuggatron2129 Thank you a lot 👍⚡🏆
@@mcnuggatron2129 just long enough to kill you on the inside, just short enough to kill you on the outside. Great info thank you
@@mcnuggatron2129 Thankyou mcnuccleton I was going to correct the G Gamma error too. They can address this by including an s bend at the entrance. Adding lead to the entrance & building up a (moveable) barrier at that entry point for extra protection and keeping distance from it.
Please stop interrupting the person you are interviewing.
exactly
@@dakotaarnold3712 test
@@dakotaarnold3712 The more you "like" it the more he thinks it is what you want so you either want him to keep interrupting the expert or you don't! There is no two ways about it.
Never said there was two ways about it, Just said my opinion on a UA-cam comment. I don't even like the video as it is my first time seeing it and the last time i will see it. He's disrespectful and so impatient to allow the expert to say his knowledge yet he asked questions that were already explained earlier in the meeting/interview so there-fore yes it is very annoying to watch and not get the full in-tell of what he is trying to explain. As if i like the video i do not, he has a very poor way of commentating and very bad choice of questions. If you do not like what i said do not bother replying to me as i don't want to hear it.
@@kylehill3643 what are you on about he didn't say anything.
For Those still wondering.. The low rang meter is for low levels of radiation meaning the meter top out fast and doesn't go high enough to tell you how much immediately lethal radiation is out there. That why you move to a high range meter. But the high range meter isn't sensitive enough to detect little bits of radiation its only for high doses so them you'd move to the low range.
It is a bit more complicated. When a geiger counter saturates, it reports ZERO. But there's ALWAYS some radiation, so if it reports zero, it is either dead, turned off, or really "hot".
Retired Navy, Radiation Safety Officer, and State training officer for radiation safety. Your presentation is pretty much spot on. One more thing. Old CDV’s are much more resistant to EMP than the new meters.
This guy is giving good information. You need to stay in your bunker until the blast wave passes by, anywhere from 1 second to 2 minutes after detonation. If there is nearby fallout, you want to stay out of it for a couple weeks but you could walk through it after a couple days. Stay away from the detonation site for up to a year is best.
Your missing the point there is no nuclear bomb . 0 percent nuke 100 percent paranoia. Is putin honestly going to nuke another country with nukes when he himself and his family would also be nuked. And why nuke Ukraine when he wants the country they'll be no wheat crops if the land is toxic. Unless you live in Ukraine you can sleep easy. 😴
When I was a kid we put a shelter under the concrete patio of our house when my Dad (USAF) was stationed in the suburbs of DC in the 70s. I remember him explaining all of this stuff to me. I had forgotten a lot of it, but I'm so glad you're here to help us all understand it. Who would have thought our country would have come to what it is now. I thought we had left all of this stuff in the past. But....(Hopefully we will never have to use this, God willing...)
The past is Immortal, once Pandoras Box is opened it can't be closed.
The past waits like a snake in the dark to strike again. Forget about that snake at your peril.
*JESUS BRO... IF YOU DIDN'T INTERRUPT, THE MAN LITERALLY TELLS YOU THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK AGAIN LATER!*
But it was a very good video. It was really informative. Thank you for posting it and going the distance.
Thank you, I'm 70 years old with 4 years in the Navy (66 to 70). I learned more on this video than anywhere else.
Destiny Overated he was in the navy from 1966-1970
Until the "All-Clear" from Vault-Tec.
Edric Aziz so i played all these fallout games for nothing? And living for generations in bunkers for nothing. 😁
Sadly it didnt come and they killed each other 🥺
Have a list of questions, listen patiently to answers, don't talk over your teacher.
So true.
This dude did not deserve his questions answered
I was wondering why he kept interrupting the interviewee. He asked about "checking food?" Twice. He asked if the unit was a Geiger counter or radiation meter. He didn't seem to listen.
He seems to do this in lots of his videos
@Michael Pearson well if you have aspirin chew em if you have nitroglycerin use it!
I worked in nuclear power plants and you have to be very careful when dealing with radiation above the normal background radiation. I will say this. If there is ever a nuclear attack, A LOT of people will die from it solely from ignorance. None of your bodily senses can detect even high levels of radiation and by the time they start getting the symptoms...it is too late. It is the one thing not to play around with or be ignotant of. Learn all you can about nuclear radiation, the symptoms and what to do if you get a dose. Be careful and be safe.
I live near Palo Verde🤦 do you have suggestions for if an EMP occurs? Should I just lasso a horse and head North asap?
Nuclear winter???
I really wish Ron would have not interrupted Shane so much. Shane was either about to answer, clearly, what Ron jumped in with, usually badly phrased or just wrong. Ron may make great bunkers but he does not interview (this) experts well.
Cameraman should be locked in a bunker asap
Can I use your comment to detect radiation in my food?
Need to let the radiation specialist speak I cut him off.
He asks the dumbest questions. Asks him stuff he just went over already.
@@andyakarudolfhessiansack7936 cameraman should be locked in a shelter asap
The Nagasaki bomb run was a failure because it missed the target and detonated in a valley thus attenuating the blast wave. However the advise about duck and cover still applies regardless of what causes the explosion. A good example is the asteroid explosion over Chelobinsk Russia. A school teacher remembered their duck and cover drills and evacuated the class into the hallway saving them from the shards of glass blown across the class room five minutes later. Don't run to the window to watch. It might become the last thing you will ever see for the rest of your life. Make like Burt the turtle.
Amen William! Agreed!
@Daniel Gidez newspaper would block the Alpha radiation, more than likely wouldn't save you, but it would indeed help.
The Nagasaki aim point was right in front of a Mitsubishi aircraft factory. It detonated at 12k-15k ft/ 300 yards from the front door.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б have your read "Killing Japan"?
The bomb was a success because it showed Japan what would happen if another one dropped. I toured Hiroshima many times while stationed in Japan in 76. I hope and pray we never see another one used although this saved many American lives in the end .
Omg this guy and his knowledge is an absolutely life saver
lets pray he didn't need to be
What about duck and cover???
Actually, an air burst is set to detonate at an altitude that allows the fireball to reach maximum expansion as it touches the ground. This is the city killer weapon.
The fireball is not the main use of the weapon. It is the blast wave that causes the damage.
@@insideoutsideupsidedown2218 actually that depends on the affect you are trying to achieve.
@@bombsaway6340 Not at all. Nukes and nearly all modern explosives don't even have a fireball. There is a difference between a explosive igniting and an explosive detonating. C4 for example, we all know what it is. Its pretty much RDX and a plasticizer. You can light a block of C4 on fire, and it will burn slowly, hell a lot of military manuals say that you can use it as an emergency fuel. Detonation is a whole different story. A block of C4 will burn for a couple minutes, while it detonates at 24,000 feet per secand when detonated. There is no fireball. Fireballs from explosives are a hollywood myth.
@@y0h0p38 I gave you the textbook definition of an air burst.
@@bombsaway6340 From wikipedia : "The air burst is usually 100 to 1,000 m (330 to 3,280 ft) above the hypocenter to allow the shockwave of the fission or fusion driven explosion to bounce off the ground and back into itself, creating a shockwave that is more forceful than one from a detonation at ground level. This "mach stem" only occurs near ground level...."
Please Do Not interrupt your source/ Much Info was LOST!! WTH?
Great video! In the event of a nuclear attack, it's very important to have a portable AM/FM radio to keep up-to-date on any information about possible additional nuclear weapon detonations. Many septic tank companies build concrete storm shelters. I've checked the price of a concrete storm shelter ($1,200.00). Make sure you have at least eight inches of concrete in the walls and ceiling. I would add some solid blocks of concrete on the top and the walls of the storm shelter to reach that eight inch thickness of concrete. I would keep some sand bags available to block the door of the storm shelter. I would build a concrete hallway in front of the entrance door so fallout would have less chance of entering the shelter.
Too bad, Norway shut down its FM transmitter....
@@alexanderblohme5044 I was thinking about this with a lot of countries. The televisions have gone completely digital in the UK, and digital radio is probably the most widely used now. I imagine it likely won't be long until the analogue transmitters for radio will be turned off there too. Then again, providing satellite Wi-Fi (such as Starlink) isn't taken out pre-emptively, I suppose that might be an alternative. I have a feeling the United kingdom government sense this coming change, as they are setting up Emergency Alerts as a new service from the UK government.
It’s expected to launch in autumn 2022. Emergency alerts will warn citizens if there’s a danger to life nearby. So in an emergency, phones or tablets will receive an alert with advice about how to stay safe. I would wonder if that might be why the UK is dabbling in satellites right now?
@@skycloud4802 I have a short wave radio that I can bounce a signal off the atmosphere to the other side of the world.
Personally I like to stay in my shelter after a nuclear war a few weeks to make sure everything cools down before I come bouncing out to check the mail.
Idiot. Don't wait that long. Your speed camera tickets will already be in judgement.
Juicetheeunuch You missed the point brainless.
Bring a geiger counter with you in the bunker.
That's what I been trying my wife and wait for it to rain a couple times
It will cool down alright,, to about minus 40c
I think an important thing to remember when talking about radiation and contamination is how to remember the difference. In Nuke School they taught use this simple analogy. Dog Shit is contamination, and the smell is radiation. If you have the mess on you (contamination) you will receive more radiation and track it. But the smell (radiation) gets less the farther you are from it. This is where the detectors come in handy since you can't smell radiation, you need to know if you have it, especially before entering your bunker.
I talked to a few ex military guys and they were told from their training that if a small tactical nuclear device hits a nuclear power plant you are talking a huge increase in order of magnitude of lethality when it comes to radiation.
You don't even need something to hit a nuclear power plant. Everyone has heard about Chernobyl.
Uncontrollable fire, non-nuclear explosion but that threw out enough radio active material into the direct environment and the atmosphere above most of Europe.
Nuclear plants in the US are much better designed than Chernobyl. When the meltdown happened at Three Mile Island, no contamination was released to the public. It was all kept in containment as designed.
The walls of containment are 4 ft thick and designed to take a direct hit from a 747.
@@justadood3167 There were some gasses released but it was xenon and some iodine but in quantities too small to be bad, despite the claims of the anti-nuke people. It's interesting that they claim there was this big release of radioactive materials but then can't explain why only a couple of their third party indicators showed anything but thousands of other indicators did not.
I live 10 miles away from a nuclear plant 💀
Very informative! Sure wished our country's public schools trained on this so that we could be informed and ready as teachers. After all, should there be an event during school hours, it would be up to the teachers and school employees to protect and care for the children entrusted to us by their families.
I was just thinking about this. What if we actually have a nuclear war and we get hit during school hours? Supposedly it’s safer to leave the kids at school until safe enough to move them but I mean how are the teachers prepared for this? How do I know my daughter will still be alive when I come pick her up?
Schools used to have bomb shelters. They were all decommissioned in the 1990s. Which was a big mistake.
Learned about it in science class... I just didn't pay attention.
The issue with the CDV series is lets say its calibrated, the electronics are 60 years old so there is no guarantee that they will always stay in calibration. unless they are changing the capacitors with new ones. Now what I would recommend for 2019 is the Canberra ADM-300 Survey meter. Those meters provide a wide dynamic range equivalent to both the low and high range CDV meters and would measure up to 10000R/hr In addition they offer continuous built in self test so if anything happens to the meter during operation it will alert to failure so you dont end up getting a false reading.
I have checked the ADM-300s and they have all measured within calibration. They run around 200-300 a unit.
When you use a septic tank burry it the way that you can enter it from the side like through a tunnel and have the ability to cover the entrance which can even be done by parachute, tarp or poncho.
It's November 1st 2022, this video is absolutely essential for all of us. Thank You & God Bless
I love Texas . So glad I moved here ! Gonzalez’s is one of my favorites! Thank you for the good news .
You just have to respect people who are so professional and experts in theyre field.
I had my pocket NukAlert recalibrated (and battery replaced) last spring. At that time it was still working after more than 12 years. turnaround was one week. The nice thing is that there are no controls to mess with, and it's always on. Now, if only I could afford one of Ron's shelters. Oh well.
As for the critiques of Ron's interviewing skills (or lack thereof), consider that most people these days would probably do the same thing, because they're waiting for what they want to hear, and (in large part due to the diseducation system's dumbing us down) not understanding what the guy is actually saying.
Family Guy voice: So what's the difference?
Old man explains
Family Guy voice: So what's the difference?
Old man explains
Family Guy voice: So what's the difference?
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I'm absolutely stunned at how little this guy knows about the radiation his business claims to avoid. The guy being interviewed is being very clear.
If I were to buy a shelter from the guy, I'd be double checking his bill of materials and work every step of the way!!!!
I don't have a bunker, but I've set my 1st floor (UK), up as a bunker. I have stockpiled for a year.
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thought this would be a good video but you won't shut up long enough for him to give a complete answer
Yeah that dude is a waste
When Chinoble went up the dust went over Europe and over the North of England and because it rained my brother got wet going to work and back and was soon in a military hospital for nearly 3 months and this was covered up.
And he is now sterile and after 12 years he was re tested and he was
Still 10x over the national average for radiation in his body.
Fun fact: I used the Geiger/Radiation counter at a lab I worked in to see if my mom’s flea market glass was authentic vintage or a new reproduction. Green glass from the 1930s had some form of well bound beta emitter (forget what) that would send the Geiger counter off.
It is Uranium
uranium glass can be verified in a much more economic and concrete way, as well as spectacular, just illuminate them with a wood lamp, they will shine with a fluorescent green/yellow/orange, and this is how I keep my collection in the windows, always ready to be illuminated by the wood lights that I have set up.
God bless you Ron. It’s people like you that save many lives well in advance. Thank you for this video - and many of your shelter videos.
I can’t wait for you guys to start installing underground shelters here in Australia.
When will you guys start your work in Australia??
Soon 😀
All super interesting. Have a friend who wants me help him build a 8' by 8' cement block shelter in his basement but can't figure out how and what do do for the ceiling as to have ceiling of the darn thing support the 12" blocks that go on top (bricks are also filled up prior to placement with cement or guess you could use sand maybe. Was thinking maybe run those 4 by 4 fence post across for ceiling beams every 2 feet maybe to 4 by 4 going up for support along walls etc?
Please redo the video and let the man speak, if he will ever let you do one again.
What type of radiation do they measure? You can respond differently to the type of radiation. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Neutron particles are different. Simple clothing & face mask will protect you against alpha and beta but you do not want to ingest them (they are big slow particles and will cause a lot of damage). Gamma and Neutron (the most energetic) the best shielding for them is time and distance. The saying goes if you bake them all into a cookie, hold the alpha cookie in your hand, put the beta cookie in your pocket, eat the gamma cookie (gamma particles are small & fast so will pass through you causing minor damage), and throw away the neutron cookie, they fast decaying and hide behind concert barrier far away.
"gamma particles are small & fast"
Gamma is not a particle. It is a photon; a unit of electromagnetic energy. Gamma is extremely dangerous.
Typical detonation altitude for a 300 KT warhead is 12-13k ft. to produce the maximum blast wave on the target.
You are giving a lot of good information. I cannot afford one of your shelters but the info you are putting out is priceless.
1-3 days and it's safe to be outside... is that true? I honestly haven't research the topic but I would assume it could take years for the radiation to transmute or for humans to safely walk outside??
@@anthonyfu433 1-3 days is when theirs a lethal dose of radiation then after the 3rd day it's safe since the radiation lost its lethality. But you can also die years later after a nuclear fall out due too the radiation that the body ingested
Great video, I came here from Canadian Prepper. :) ATB from Austria. Lilly
hello Survival Lilly shoot me an email so I have your number and contact ron@alassurvivalshelters.com thanks
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I'm her husband
Hey! Another great survival channel host, been subbed to you for a couple of years now. Great to see you watching this stuff too.
Lilly!!! Love you! Love your content! It is so great to watch you out there doing all of the things that you do. I have learned so much from you and I appreciate all of your videos.
Many thanks!
Incredibly interesting video! Thanks. Shane is extremely knowledgeable and easy to understand. He should do more videos on the subject.
Stopped by there probably 15 years ago when I was working in the area and they showed me around. Had them calibrate one of my high level meters for me. This place really exists.
Yup Shane is a real sharp guy, I am surprised he is not buying up ADM-300s for resale as well. Tons coming out on the surplus market.
Very cool, very informative. I learned SO much more in that one video than I'd heard all my life. Very sad how unknowledgeable even a grown and somewhat intelligent adult such as myself is about such an important subject. Should be mandatory teaching in the school systems, could be taught very briefly in health/gym class.
Holy crap the second guy (Ron?) is completely clueless about radiation. Then he interrupts and don't listen or remember what Shane Connor is telling you. On positive side, this is excellent info and resources and whoever watches this can learn enough to save their lives. He didnt talk about loose contamination which is one of if not the most dangerous Loose contamination is why you need the low level meter to check food , water - bc loose contamination becomes internally a very high dose to cells of your body that are unshielded
Since I live 5 minutes from downtown Houston, I don't think I'll need any of his devices. Interesting video, though. Thanks. BTW, you asked very interesting questions to pull more information from the man. I was not annoyed at all.
@Bill Randall nope, I can tell you that they have several backups for aiming and they are EMP protected like crazy. Quite a bit of things are mechanical and not electrical or electronic. They are designed way better than almost everyone can even think of. Not saying more than that. As far as Russias? Who knows!
You could build a shelter in a back corner and live easily if it is 5mi or greater. I am 7 miles from a semi major city in the 100,000 to 1mil population and I am not worried. Remember two weeks inside and that radiation is a tiny fraction of what it is. Even two days will help a lot. Time and distance are great allies. If you could wait two weeks and find a better place you'd be OK if you made only a short trip. Better bet would be to get out of your city NOW. That is what I wished I could do.
Word of advice- when in the presence of someone who is more knowledgeable than you DON'T INTERRUPT. It's extremely frustrating for the person trying to teach you and it almost always results in you obtaining a substandard education. Also, don't make assumptions but ask questions rather than making statements of your questions. You see if I ask you a direct question without presumptive context it allows to go straight to an answer but if my question is actually a statement or contains presumptive material your teacher is forced to stop their train of thought to correct the false assumption before even considering an answer to the question. The worst thing is the frustration the teacher will experience because it makes them less likely to want to give you any more lessons.
The reason you have a low I.Q. is not because your brain isn't as good as someone else's. Your brain is functioning perfectly and it shows. It's also not because of a lack of good teachers. Teachers are almost obsolete now since the world's information is in everybody's pocket. You were just never taught how to be a good student. The best teacher in the world can't teach anything to a bad student. You're not a terrible student but you're missing out on a lot by not being so great at being a student.
I'll give you an example:
He was talking about the two meters and their difference in range... You had a question but instead of voicing the question or admitting you didn't understand him you made an incorrect statement saying something about the meters detecting from different distances and most of your viewers at that moment cringed and were thinking about the facepalm smiley... Your friend played it off well by not making you look stupid in your own video but I'm completely baffled by the fact that you didn't redo the segment after that. This tells me that you aren't very embarrassed by it and don't feel caught with your pants down. So you must think it's NORMAL to be presumptuous with anyone trying to teach you anything....and you'd be correct. It IS normal and normal is average and average people aren't worth taking time to watch on UA-cam.
I've been familiar with the ki4u guys for a long time. Their web site is really dated but the info isn't. They know radiation. Granted they need to hire someone to redo their website but radiation detection/protection is all they do. Good people.
Do you have any idea if they actually did ? Because their website doesn’t seam to work anymore
Mr. Conner's explanation of the radioactive decay of fallout (the 7/10 rule) is one of the most succinct I've heard in some time. Hollywood movies like "On The Beach" have fallout persisting forever, which is fine for a doomsday movie, but is thankfully not reality.
People should be prepared to spend 2 weeks in their shelter. This means at a bare minimum of filtered air, water, food, and provision for human waste (poop and pee). Then there's amenities like light, heat, and something to do to while away 2 weeks time.
It's not so much about whether or not it will immediately affect you. Think about the situation after a nuclear war....civilization would have collapsed and most people on Earth would be dead. The entire reason for Fallout shelters is for long term survival of your family or the human race. Even if the radiation is 0.001%, it could still lead to genetic problems for your kids and immediate physical problems in general. You will need a way to safely produce food. You can't do that safely in soil even years after a Nuclear war. Just because you survive the initial blast, doesn't mean you'll actually survive the aftermath. Hell, the Earth won't even have healed to a recognizable state by the time you die. Think of how long it will take for the soil to become safe again. Likely decades, if not over 100 years to be fully safe again.
I took some classes in 1967 but need some updates. I need some equipment to test with. Thank you for the information.
I saw the title and had to come over to light a flame
Questionshould be how long CAN you stay in the bunker?
I like watching this guy. He bumbles around these technical spaces like apocalypse Mr Magoo.
They really minimize how nasty persistent, and insidious alpha emitters are. The alpha emitters are just one of the many things that will make life nearly unbearable for people who survive the first few weeks after a full nuclear exchange, but that doesn't help sell bunkers.
Excellent & very informative video. THANK YOU. It answered questions I've had on the back of my mind for years.
This was a very helpful video, this is the kind of info that everyone needs to hear especially now.i saved this video in my survival videos
Yes after A nuklear bomb, but what about 10000 hydrogen bombs?
2 days in a septic tank, easy money lmao
Question: that guy calibrating the g counters, why didn't he have protective gear sitting so close to the radiation generator, are leaks completely impossible? It was very odd that he wouldn't let you show too much of that room, was there a sign outside the room warning of radiation?
Lmao. I think they know about the dangers
So roughly 2 days after the bomb explosion it’s safe to go out after an attack. What about an accidental catastrophe of a power plant or something. There are places in Pripyat Ukraine that are still radiating Decades after the event. Can we get a video on how if your living close to or the vicinity of such a power plant that went critical. You might be stuck living in a contaminated region possibly for decades. How does one over come those conditions? What possible routines may be adopted to adapt in confinement for such long periods of time? If one hazmat like a full body suit to go out in and when is it safe to do so? and what decontamination procedures one takes after doing so? That should be a separate video all in itself.
I would say the amount of time would depend on the yield of the weapon used if it was an air burst vs a ground burst and how far you were from ground zero (GZ). The wind direction from the time of detonation to your location. The downwind hazard from GZ can vary and change with time. For every hour after the burst, the contamination deteriorates. Doing these sort of calculations was part of my Army MOS for 12 years. There is a lot more to calculating all of this than what I have stated. But basically what I stated hits the high points. Bottom line is if you have a bunker I would be investing in various radiation detection devices. Because radiation once it is present it never really reaches zero. If your meter reads .000000000001 that means there is still radiation present. Not much but it is still there.
well, there is background radiation present all day every day
At least 98 percent of people will be caught off guard when it finally happens, most will be at work or shopping etc, it's said that we will have less than 15 mins to get to a shelter before we even know we're going to get hit, if you're WHOLE family is home or within 15 mins of your shelter then you have a chance, unfortunately our families are in separate places during the day more than 15 mins away. A full nuclear exchange will be 100 times worse than you can ever imagine, the devastation will be beyond our wildest imagination. Sad but true.
Read www.GoodNewsNuke.com to see how 90% of the expected casualties are readily avoidable when affected populations are trained beforehand in what to do and not do from the first instant of any future surprise nuke detonation.
Thank you Shane and Ron. This may save lives one day.
Chill out folks. Overall it was a good video and was completely free. Thanks for posting the interview
What if you have no bunker like millions of people are we just sol
Further to my other comments, if there was a major event (& if I had to), the first place I would hit would be the Company's man office, to see if I could obtain their client list. Thoughts?
Good luck.
I intended to address your expert's never having fully answered the question about low vs. high range detectors, but it seems several of your commentators have already done so. Please, guy, take their suggestions to heart.
I read somewhere if you can detect radiation with the high range meter, then you're probably screwed. We average 45 CPM here in southern NM background. I have an old school Ludlum model 3, and an digital Inspector Alert with an Alpha Beta shield. Both are pretty cool.
My kitchen granite has a hot spot that shows 350-400 CPM.
It's a matter of dosage. If your meter indicates high levels and you leave you are likely fine unless it's so incredibly high your lethal dosage is immediate. So the key is, if you have high levels get the hell out if able, otherwise find shelter with shielding, or die.
Writing a book about nuclear war in the 80s, since the only good stories on it are Threads and The Day After. This video was extremely helpful for research from a informed person.
Question for Shane if he reads this: if your sources are capable of 700R, you're almost @ 3/4 FS, on the 717 X100 range or do I have that wrong? How, since your UUT seems to be in a fixed position, are you periodically moving the cs137 source closer instead as the source reaches its half life? Are the calibrators capable of attenuation for each range, 0.1 and .025? Enjoyed the video.
Had a course in nuclear physics in college, many years ago..
Alpha particles ( helium nucleus, 2 protons and 2 neutrons) will be stopped by a sheet of paper or a tyvek suit.
Beta particle ( an electron) will be stopped by metal or something that has some density.
Gamma rays are high energy waves, like x rays but much shorter wave lengths. The way I learned it then was it can be stopped by 10 ft of dirt, or 3 ft of concrete. Even better, be someplace else. 😒
Alpha and Beta particles are usually attached to radioactive dust. The most dangerous part is if you inhale them. they get into your body and destroy your tissue. Must wear a good quality particle filter if you are going outside. If you have an air supply it would be a good idea to filter the air thru a high quality Hepa filter.
Many Americans do not believe that masks work.
They aren't going to show weakness by wearing masks after the visible fallout goes away.
@@noinnurt Incorrect. Many Americans just objected to your hysterics and tyrannical behavior over a mildly spicy flu.
This guy has some cool stuff and his prices are way less than I thought they'd be. I'm going to get one of each 😀
@Christie Malry ha! I never thought of checking eBay lol
If we don't have a bunker, can we get concrete blocks and build an indoor shelter within our house. Eg, 6ft by 4ft? Could have thick wooden roof with sandbags on top.
I dont have a fall out shelter dont think i ever will but great vid ,thanks for the info.
A doomsday prepper with the last name Connor.... Im sold
Time, distance, and shielding!
Most likely the biggest threat after a detonation (regarding radiation) will be all the small particles on the ground and in water. Don't ingest or inhale the dust or particles which all probably be have some Alpha/Beta contamination. Those particles will start damaging you internally if you do ingest them.
But definitely good advice to stay shielded and protected for a minimum of 48 hrs. Utilize your comms to hear notification of what's going on outside and be patient.
Very true, being in certain groups in the military, I have learned a ridiculously large amount of knowledge for all this. With all honestly the amount I would stay in would be 4 weeks - 4 months. (4 months if I had a partner because the sanity thing does exist and it sucks) if I was alone I would say 2-4 months as long as I had many ways of entertaining myself
But just incase (and for all the long term beta rad) I have my own food supply for 5 years (already checked and swapped) aswell as a water reclaiming system, and extra water supplies.
I see ur catchn alota shade for interupting but hey, yhanku for bringn shane on and getn this video out there man n i kno u were just tryn break things down as simple as poss for us. U very well may have saved some lives w the info
Any restrictions on exporting from USA to the UK on this equipment?
Ron I will going to his shop next week. Have 2 units to drop off for calibration check. Thanks for the video
How many feet of dirt minimum & optimum are required for sufficient protection?
3' of dirt or 2 of concrete
specialforcesnavy the best would be like 15 feet of soil and a few feet of gravel and concrete.
3 feet of earth or 2 feet of concrete will protect you
you could also build your bunker, and put a pool on top of it, water works very well to block radiation.
3 feet
Simple, basic question here.
Regarding the times and hours cited for the degradation of radiation, does the source of the radiation (U235, dirty bombs, atomic vs fusion, and/or various isotopes, etc) affect the degradation time or curve profile that was discussed?
you stay in the bunker until the water runs out, then you leave
Thanks for the vital info,guys. Keep safe.
Is it me or the guy explaining the gigameters sounds like the Vault-Tec Rep
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I know right?
After the initial blast, and you survive, you don't have to stay in a shelter, in fact, you should move to where you can find resources not affected by the blast.
I wouldn't even have thought of Radiation measurement detectors....goes to show how good I would have been at preparing a bunker 😅. Id be thinking lots of tooth brushes, dental floss and mouth wash, washing powders; cleaning stuff, tissues, nasal decongestants, antacids , basic medications etc...
you’ll need to get more from this guy
"that would be a lethal dose"
"would it kill ya?"
"...yes"
I concur...I worked around nukes while in the service and received FEMA training as a firefighter for nuclear emergencies.
I actually learned alot from this vid.
Make sure to tell him to prep to replace that defective Kidde fire extinguisher on the wall
Imagine having all this and getting taken out by a toaster fire...
I guess really when you think about it, nuclear events are actually very survivable. The example is Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The reconstruction started less than a year after. Now they are both thriving metropolis again.
and those nukes were "dirtier" then modern weapon designs.
Help me out. If you're busy going about your day... and you don't see anything, don't have the radio or TV on....how will you know what just happened? What if you're on the highway and it happens? We need real-world exact directions as to what to do.
I worked in this field . depend ing on how close you are you my never leave your bunker . it has a 5000 to 10000 year half life .
I want to know if in underground cave with a lot of water running through it. Would the water be contaminated?
This is extraordinarily interesting. And somebody who studied physics, what you were saying is quite true. The Hollywood version of radioactivity is completely out of the realms of both logic and measurement. For instance, both alpha and beta radiation are quite easily flummoxed. Gamma however is a different story. The problem of course is after 78 to 200 hours all of the dust from fallout surrounds you, And the natural environment is still absorbing gamma ratios beyond acceptable limits. I’ve been to Chernobyl and its associated townships twice now without any compunction and wandered around freely. Of course I don’t eat or taste anything, and change my clothes afterwards.But as soon as I get within 500 m of the reactors themselves, you better believe I’m fully suited up.
in school I got duck and cover long ago. if any thing happens that gives me radiation I would be worse off because I already have a large TAD of radiation.
It’s very educational, thank you for this great video...
At 1:00, the green book he has, I have the same one I got out of the recycling bin when I worked at the recycling center...