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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2024
- The Menendez brothers were given life sentences for gunning down their own parents. Now they’re hoping new evidence could reopen the case. "48 Hours" contributor Natalie Morales reports. Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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Rosie and I thank you great program❤😢
Hey 48 hours wish those brothers or what if the timeline alternate if these brothers should never exist and not commit crimes
TAMBIEN. RICKY. MARTY. LO. ABUSARON. SEXUALMENTE. FREE. MENENDEZ. FREE. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
"Did you ask him not to" is such a fukked up question to ask someone raped by their father.
UNACCEPTABLE 🤮
Being someone who is a survivor of sexual abuse for the years between age 5-12...i couldn't imagine saying a single word to the monster who abused me back then, you feel so secluded and that something horrible would happen if I said anything. That question urkes tf outta me
@@kaykaystern I'm so sorry for what your body was subjected to, I can imagine how much that question was hurtful for you to hear
literally insane to ask,most rape victims say “No” and what… they still get raped what kind of question was that.. asked by a woman too.
That whole sexual abuse BS was a Hail Mary pass thrown by the defense council. He knew their goose was cooked and just threw out ANYTHING to try and put doubt in the juries mind
For them to say that Jose was not the "type" of person to sexually abuse his children is utterly asinine. As a young (22 yrs old) nurse I was raped by a well respected doctor. Don't talk to me about "type."
Did you ask him not to?
Sending you genuine loving vibes ❤ Thank you for being a nurse and a survivor.
@@jeremysmith9694what a ridiculous question…take a wild guess
@@pauls4923 why would I guess when I can ask her? I wasn't there.
I highly doubt it.
“Did you ask him not to” is a WILD question 😮😮
sick person asked it
This is why this is so believable to me. I was sexually abused by my father ages 4-9. My mother blamed me for it so badly I decided to pretend I didn’t remember the abuse.
I kept the secret for 35 years. Until one day an astute friend asked me why I talked about how much I hated my mother but I never mentioned my father. I was shaking so badly while I told her the truth. I wrote a blog post about how hard it was to keep secrets and maybe if I hadn’t been keeping this big family secret it would be easier. One of my aunts saw the post and sent my other aunt to talk to me. Turns out my father did the same thing to her and MY MOTHER KNEW ABOUT IT. She said my mother was angry with her. Which means my mother knew my father was a pedophile BEFORE she married him, married him anyway, and had daughters with him.
Mothers do this. They need to keep that man so much they will sacrifice their own children to do it.
My God! I'm so sorry. So 😔 sorry that happened to you ❤️
It’s so sad wht you had to go through. I never understood why people have more anger for a weak mom more than the person who harmed them. Mom definitely had mental issues she didn’t want to face but the dad was just evil.
@@tarahill308because the mother is supposed to protect their children. She could have left and taken her daughter out of the abusive home.
@@melissarose888 Dad suppose to protect as well hun.
parental betrayal is a soul killer. I am so sorry and I hope so much you have a therapist who understands how to treat these issues and I hope so much you have a community of people who are soft and kind. I'm so very sorry.
One thing that should have never happened is for the same Judge to preside over both trials.
Absolutely agree
TRUTH!!!!!
100% agreed
if they changed the jury and the boys even had changed lawyers ,, the judge definitely should have been
How do you even think of something so ridiculous?
As a survivor of rape by my older brother when I was 11. I can fully relate to the brothers and how they handled the trauma. For years I had a rage that would burn for a short period and then I would simply mentally push it down and act like a fully normal kid. It's only by the grace of God that I never killed anyone or killed myself.
Thank you for this insight. I believe the brothers, but had difficulty understanding the murderous meltdown. This has helped alot.
I am so sorry that happened to you. I hope you are doing well now.
oh wow, I am sorry you endured that
Blessings to you ❤
What can we say. Many of us understand. You have every right to be angry. Do not let him, his action take over your life. He was himself probably abused. Stay ok.
I was sexually abused most of my childhood by an older male cousin. And I'm a male. I told my multiple family members and no one believed me and they literally acted like they didn't hear me or act like I never told them or that I'm making it up. They still continued to invite that cousin to family functions and that I was at and never ever had my back or said anything about it. I literally feel some days that maybe it didn't happen and maybe I'm making it up in my head. But I know for a fact it happened at have very very vivid memories of it. But still to this day no one believes me or has done anything. And it's one of the main reasons I've had a horrible opioid addiction my whole life and have attempted suicide multiple times. I feel for these brothers and for everyone who was SA by a close family member or by anyone period. 20 years later Im still haunted by it.
I read your comment. I believe you. What you described about doubting your memory is known as gaslighting. I hope you are doing better and can overcome your addiction. You deserve to live a happier, peaceful life. Suicide is not the answer. You didn't abuse anyone and shouldn't punish yourself. You are innocent. For your own mental well-being it would be best to avoid , if possible, family gatherings where that cousin is likely to be. Also I think it might be beneficial for you if you got some sort of counselling. Best wishes for your future. ❤
I don't know if matters at all. I believe you. You didn't deserve that and all those adults failed you.
Thank you for sharing your story.
That's horrible no one believed you. I'm sorry that happened to you
I'm a woman and I'm 62. This happened to me by someone in my family. I never told anyone until I was 27...I actually "forgot" about it for 15 years. (It's fascinating what the mind can do to protect oneself).
But I grew up believing in God and I know that is why I am at peace and have forgiven what happened to me. Jesus forgives me for my sins and I forgive those who have sinned against me. I am FREE!
There is a peace beyond understanding and I pray that you would reach out to God and ask Him to help you to heal. It IS possible. Sending love to you my friend.
Cynthia ❤️
I was a HUGE fan of Menudo in my childhood and it was very brave of Roy Rosello to speak up. I hope it helps the Menendez brothers and they all get strength to live their lives in peace. ❤
I was shocked when I saw his interview. I got chills and I cried just by hearing him. I hate the fact that Caritina Saralegi realize her mistakes and apologize to him. I hope the Menéndez are set free.
I’ve read Edgardo Diaz is being investigated of alledge sexual abuse. I know these things take a while but I hope not too long. I want to see Diaz pay for his crimes while he’s still alive.
Yo tanvien ojala salgan estos hermanos😢
Most of the group Menudo were and are jo jo josss,,,
I was a huge fan also and I was very proud of them him also ❤
My "father" physically, psychologically, mentally and verbally abused me, my 4 siblings and our mother. From ages 4-12, he sexually abused me. He stopped sexually abusing me when I grew big enough to fight him off. It's during this time I suspect he began sexually abusing one of my sisters, who has become a transgender male.
People have no idea how traumatizing it is to divulge this abuse, only to be told what was said to me by my mom when at age 12, I finally told her about the abuse.
Her response was "get out of here you liar ". This was as devastating as the sexual abuse.
This kind of abuse wounds the spirit, soul and mind. It does horrible, horrible damage.
I believe these brothers. They had every right to unalive any monster who abused them in this way. If the mother knew, as mine and millions of other mothers do, but turn a blind eye in denial, the mother is just as guilty.
I admire you for sharing and truely wish you all the very best
GOD BLESS You!!!❤🙏❤️🌺❤️❤️❤️❤️🌻❤️🙏❤️-SENDING YOU PRAYERS,LOVE,HEALING,STRENGTH,ETC.-GOD BLESS❤🙏❤️
I hope you and your brother are okay ❤
I am so deeply sorry that your and your siblings had your innocence stolen by someone who was supposed to love, protect, and respect you. I hope you have found some happiness and peace in this difficult and often cruel or indifferent world. Hugs to you. 🫂
Gardner is correct about vigilante behavior HOWEVER, THE rage and hatred, shame and terror are real.
I hope the therapist who told his girlfriend lost his license
Therapists are actually legally obliged to report child abuse or if someone is a clear and present danger to others
@@murthunt1047lmao that's not what went down but u twirl ya fingers snowflake
@@murthunt1047 - They didn't reveal child abuse; they revealed the confession of killing their parents. That probably constitutes an ethical breach, and you can lose your license over it. At the minimum, you can be censured and warned that another such violation will result in your license being revoked.
@@murthunt1047 at the time of the crime, no one was a child and there was no imminent threat. The crime was the past. Pillow talking with your girlfriend and recording seasons is NOT reporting abuse either. This was absolutely against all ethics.
The therapist didn't tell his girlfriend. She was waiting outside the room where a therapy session was taking place, and she overheard Eric confessing to the therapist. Then that girlfriend contacted police. (The whole therapist/girlfriend sideshow at the trial was totally wild.)
My neighbor was the tennis instructor for the boys. He said the father was really tough on them. So tough that my neighbor quit and never again trained at clients’ homes.
Wow that’s very telling. Abuse can be so damaging to a growing child.
Omigoodness, that says alot. Those poor boys didn't stand a chance.💔
At the first trial a string of tennis and swimming coaches said the same thing
Can your neighbor come forward and help them?
I don't know the situation in USA, but in my country we can go and leave abusers. Start a new life. That's what poor people are doing.
But i can imagine it's hard for rich kids to leave all the money. It can make more upset.
It's funny how some people assume because they never saw the abuse, it somehow never happened. Abusers won't abuse in front of witnesses! Always keep that in mind. These two boys deserve a fair trial if they were victims of severe sexual abuse!
My ex use to hit the back of my head upper arms and torso so that I didn’t have marks visible. And yes pro use to say what a great guy he was 🙄
Their explanations of abuse do not explain why they shot the mother 15 times. They already had a fair trial. The parents were UNARMED when the sons killed them. The alleged past abuse is not a legal self-defense argument. The abuse is a one sided story. If the abuse accusations are true one could argue it was consensual and they liked it since they kept living there after they turned adults.
It's the same line of 'argument', when people say "But they were always nice to me, I can't believe it."
Well guess what, Claudia, it still did!
That part!
Didnt they lie to the police and say they were at the theatre when their parents were murdered? Thwn once they they were found out they told the story of abuse? If it was really about the abuse they wouldnt have lied to begin with
This is not surprising…
Reason why so many victims do not come forward. The victims are re victimized over and over when they come forward.
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All of these hideous comments claiming that everyone who testified on behalf of the brothers is lying….really shows you one tiny molecule of the endless tons of abusive, speculative comments from a giant, ignorant peanut gallery. Victims of SA always grapple with shame and feelings of powerless, ESPECIALLY if the abuse has happened from such a young age, and has gone on for such a long time. They were likely psychologically imprisoned bc of years of grooming and conditioning by their primary guardians (really generous word to describe abusers). I may not know what happened, but this be information really vindicates these men.
Since they weren’t victims of anything this is irrelevant.
yes!
Why are we acting like these things don’t happen? Their family, and cousins knew about it. Stop acting like it’s a big ole surprise
They were done with thee abuse, they didn’t care if they went away forever as long as it stopped.. but this day and age they shouldn’t be locked away for life for killing their abusers!!!!
Set them free
Can your cousins come forward and speak up?? Or have they already??
@@Linda-jj1sjone of their cousins who spoke up for erik specifically passed away unfortunately, but one of their older cousins is still living and she has spoke up several times telling the same story never changing
@@carlyriley4144Why are they special? If they are freed then they should free the thousands of black youth offenders in prison on life sentences without parole. Most of them also had abusive households
I’m so genuinely happy that Roy from Menudo spoke up, Ricky Martin is the most famous of them and brutally abused by these men but he never spoke up, to think he could’ve helped save these brothers also atleast Roy was brave enough too!
Unless you are a victim of abuse you have no idea how hard it is for a victim to speak up. No matter what it costs to others.
Hold up. Just because Ricky did not speak up does not mean he was abused by Jose Menendez. There is a timeline difference of when Jose was managing that group and when Ricky joined the music group act. Sometimes predators do not go after the main star because they are too famous or the main star is being abused by someone above Jose's level so Jose might have backed off if Ricky's abuser was Jose's boss, etc. Also, it is Ricky's story to tell when Ricky is ready to since Ricky would have been an abuse victim. Jose was a salaried employee so perhaps they need to investigate Jose's bosses when it comes to Ricky.
@@travelingpatti2834 first off don't ever assume a person isn't a victim of abuse, and I'm all to familiar with the costs, I get what your saying but stop assuming you know someone from an internet post
@@cjking4511 I never said he was abused by Jose Menedez but he was definitely abused when he was in Menudo just like Roy was, which was my point, he was seen dressed up as a girl alone in the managers hotel room when he was a little boy, there are plenty of documentaries and reputable sources that you can look into it you wish to, it is his story to tell, just like its my opinion that I wish he would speak up about what happened to him by grown men that ran in the same circles such as his manager and Jose Menendez!
I wish he would have spoken up when this was going on. the brothers lost over 30 years of their life.
The DA’s office is in such denial!!! They’re never wrong! Such BS!! There was enough in the first trial to know that family was totally dysfunctional all under the father’s control. They’ve served their time for the crime they admitted to.
"They needed a win". This is a 100% corrupt system.
The fact that some family members said the dad was abusive spoke volumes. There’s no limit to what a person like that can do. If he’s physically abusive to kids what else could he be doing?
sexual abuse. physical is a different story.
@@jendee1260sexual abuse is physical as well.
@@jendee1260 can you not comprehend? Abuse is abuse. If you’re known to physically abuse people who’s to say you don’t sexually abuse people?
That's because they both never discussed this during therapy. And because they tried to pay people for fase witness stands.
@@franciscachesca their cousin stated in the first trial they seen abuse. The prosecutor took him off the second trial because of something that had nothing to do with the case. I doubt the cousin was paid to lie.
I'm sorry but the Uncle is just being sentimental and blind to what his sister was part of. Even interviewing him was pointless.
Netflix gonna do monster season two on this
Agreed
Agreed 💯
I agree absolutely - the uncle's mind is closed against his nephews. Also, listening to his cold certitude I couldn't help wondering: with the brothers convicted, who gets the inheritance? Who gets the money?
That's Exactly what I was thinking watching him talk about it.
If a monster takes away ur innocence as a child u have a right to unalive them in my book!
Your book is not the law.
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@@mynameisworld that's y U said in my book, since u commented do u know that feeling of innocence being taken from? Revenge can't explain the word once u get older to plot!
But if those cold blooded killers were so scared then why did they go on a shopping spree they killed for money and their corrupt lawyer made up the lie about being molested
That's not Justice, you could do anything but that. That's the wisdom of the first Godfather. Castration seems reasonable. But you are typical, most people don't know Justice, that's why the Native Americans haven't got theirs and the kidnapped Africans haven't got theirs. You would want Justice, but be the first complaining about reparations.
My heart and soul goes out to every person in the comment section who has fallen victim to predators. May you stand strong and keep shining.. ❤❤❤ Bless you ALL. 1 LOVE ❤️
As a former large city police officer, we take EVERY sexual assault allegation seriously, no matter how many years ago it was. I can say it took great pleasure in putting several family assailant in prison. One young man stabbed his father after years of abuse. At 18, his father stopped and turned his attention to his younger brothers. He did what he did to protect them from the same abuse.
Myleftmitten - My brother savagely had physically assaulted his wife for decades until he finally murdered her.
Their adult son, my nephew, walked into my brother's house and beat him until he ended up in the hospital.
Many of my family thought this was horrible. I don't see it in the same manner. My nephew snapped and had enough. His beloved mother died a horrendous death after decades of misery.
While I don't condone such violent behavior, I empathize with my nephew's lifetime of pain due to his father's alcoholism and wicked violence.
Thank you for your candor and for your service as a police officer. It must have been a hell of a career with all you had seen and experienced. Take care. ❤
Break the cycle. Only childhood trauma recovery therapy can do that.
Thank you for speaking up and thank you for your service.
I don’t think people understand what that type of abuse can do to a person, for their entire lifetime.
Yeah no not all police officers take sexual assault seriously.ur a fool if u think so
Knowing what we know now about Hollywood and the music industry, this is much more believable.
Exactly my thought too.
No particular industry was needed to be outted to know what goes on, it happens across the board
I believe the brothers were abused. Menudo were also abused. One overdosed. Ricky Martin had incestuous relationship with his nephew.... All messed up 😢
Absolutely! Lots of satanists. Sex magik & all that garbage
Especially one involved in a boy band...the execs and managers of boy bands have a LOT of skeletons in their closets.
The moms brother is an enabler.
I dunno if I'd call him an enabler since I don't see any suggestion he knew about or helped cover up the abuse. However, in light of all the testimony and recent revelations, I do find his utter lack of empathy for what his nephews went through pretty shocking. He's basically pretending it was all made up and never happened because mY pREcIoUS sIStEr WOulD nEVeR 🤦♀
@@Libbathegreat Well, NEITHER brother testified that the mother was sa them as adults! Erik testified Kitty was addicted to prescription drugs and "out of it" the day they killed her! Lyle testified he discussed killing the parents with Erik days before they killed them. Thus, there is no justification for them killing Kitty Menendez! Whether or not they were abused as children is irrelevant by the law when they killed their parents as adults. That is retaliation NOT self-defense, especially against the mother. The parents were unarmed! There was a stack of college applications next to Kitty that Erik testified she had filled out! Whatever happened to a sa victim just moving on and going to college and moving on with their life? There is no legal justification for retaliation murders. Retaliation is not the right choice and unfortunately the evidence proves the parents were unarmed at the time of abuse and the brothers' testimonies do not provide justification for killing Kitty.
@@cjking4511 My understanding here is that the debate is not "should they have gone to prison", it's "how long should they have been in prison". I think it's pretty clear that whether Kitty was "SAing them as adults" or not, she fully knew about the abuse and enabled it. Considering what we know now, they would not have gotten nearly the sentence they did.
As for your fairly disgusting comment about "whatever happened to SA victims moving on with their lives", how about "whatever happened to parents not SAing their kids"?
@@Libbathegreat You are totally disregarding the laws governing this case. A judge cannot issue a sentence based on your emotions. A judge orders a sentence based on the state’s legal code. My comment was NOT “disgusting.” My comment objectively and maturely described what a sa victim must do according to the law if they want to enjoy their freedom. Retaliation killings never work out in the best interests of the abuse victims. In life it is better to move on, seek therapy, and eventually forgive not for your abuser’s sake but for your own well being.
@@cjking4511 In law, there are such things as mitigating circumstances in sentencing. Lifelong SA by one's parents is one such mitigating circumstance. That can even be taken into consideration when your parents aren't the victim. It might not get you very far if the victim was someone other than your parents( your spouse or a randomly targeted person), but even in those cases, a defendant is well within their rights to argue it. And the judge or jury imposing sentence is within their rights to consider it when making their decision. These days I believe it's more likely than not that such consideration would have gotten the brothers a lesser sentence than life.
And I stand by your comment being disgusting, because it was.
Life without the possibility of parole, but a Manson family murderer walked free last year. Such hypocrisy!
Different laws in states
@@nicolasimpkins3640 They're both in California.
@@nicolasimpkins3640same state
That is NOT relevant because she spent 53 years in CA prison before getting parole! The Menendez brothers have only served around 30 years. The issue with the Menendez brothers is their legal defense NEVER wanted to get onboard with joining the fight for youth offenders sentenced to life in prison without parole getting parole! There are 6,166 youth offenders in CA serving life sentences without parole. The majority are black! The Menendez brothers never wanted to get behind the fight for granting parole to the 6,166 youth offenders and never filed numerous motions for parole for themselves. The woman you are talking about filed for parole 20 times before she was released!
It took me 30 years to tell my fren his uncle was abusing me and she said he would do the same to her , it took me whole 30 years to talk about it
A lot of family members knew about the abuse by Jose Menendez and the neglect by Kitty Menendez and did nothing out of fear.
kitty abused them too.
Fear of what? Smfh it could have been reported anonymously.
@@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653
This was the 80’s
They wouldn’t have believed them
@@ca8944 bs come on
Yeah I remember being little and seeing stuff on magazines in the stores about the boys lying. Nobody really believed they were abused by that POS. I think they should be released
Vacate their sentences . The trial was unfair. Abuse, especially over and over again, builds up anger like no other.
I remember when they said he abused them when it happened. My thoughts at the time were well then just leave. That was before life did horrible things to me. Now IDK
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
They are not special. Either release the 6,166 black youth offenders in CA prisons serving life sentences without the possibility of parole or release none. Mostly all of those 6,166 black youth offenders suffered abuse and growing up toxic families. The Menendez brothers are not special!
JUSTICE FOR THE ABUSED CHILDREN OF THE WORLD!😭💔🙏
Being abused by your parents does make you full of rage. It’s indescribable
Baloney. These guys were legal adults when they murdered their parents in cold blood. It was all about the money, the inheritance.
Yep! I call it righteous rage. It's understandable
@@julief634 the best thing to do if you can is get away from them because they provoke you to anger and then use it to prove your the bad one.
@@ValleyoftheRogue yea I think that too. They were full of rage & wanted money 💰 and the abuse made it easier to justify it in their heads but none the less abuse makes you full of rage
I was emotionally & physically abused by my mother. A 4 y.o. musical prodigy & bright kid, I quit caring, & trying at age 11, & smoked and stole & cut school. But I never understood WHY. Now, at age 63, I think it was passive-aggressive behavior b/c of my mother's abuse, especially when I was very little.
She took me to a psychologist who I lied to b/c I was afraid of what she might do to me. He never did figure it out.
How spineless do you have to be to ask a rape victim, did you ask your rapist not to do so? Wtf.
Exactly like it’s the victim choice to be victimized again and again.
The only reason I can think of why they'd ask that, maybe cause they'd try to say "he didn't refuse" or something fkn dumb like that. Other than that, idk. It's definitely an ignorant question, but I'm sure there was a reason for it.
It is a strange question from a media interviewer, but a necessary question for the record by an attorney during trial.
@@caitlinmyriah7657Exactly. They did it for a reason. To hear the response. Even if it's a scumbag thing to do, there's a reason they asked. And it's not because the lawyer thought they could just stop it.
It's stupid.
Originally I probably suspected what the jury thought , and I, too, didn't believe their 'lies'.
But now, honestly after seeing this, I've changed my mind.
What they did was still horrific, but now I know why it could have happened and is therefore far more understandable.
Not right, but understandable.
I also now believe that they were telling the truth about the SA.
Even when I was their age, (18-21) and even though I was also technically classed as an adult, I would have had no clue how to have left that situation and somehow manage to live away from my parents.
The idea would have terrified me.
I think they've done their time, and should be released.
Seeing his hand on the boys crotch is a bod language and part of control. The parents should’ve gone to prison.
Yes i saw that to in the pic.
I definitely noticed that too, odd choice of hand placement when posing with your children.
You can't help but notice how strange that is.....
Child abuse is so dangerous because it is so invisible. Not being able to see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Even doctors can hardly tell, when children are abused, because the predators are usually very careful. And emotional abuse and scaring and manipulating victims also needs to be taken into account. I hope they get justice for what was done to them. I believe them. They have served a huge punishment.
Agreed. 100%
They weren't abused.
Child Abuse is not invisible. They always glaring red flags if you don't avert your eyes!
Well that’s a lie. Doctors can definitely tell if a child’s being abused. Especially sexually abused. Don’t type such false information like that.
@@StonedBarbieethat’s very false. Depending on the type of s*x abuse and how severe it is it often doesn’t leave a mark. Touching, forcing the child to do something and so on. It’s not clear cut.
The old Man saying he never saw anything in their Home. What a BS. So, if you haven´t seen it, it didn´t happen? SMH
Plus, from what was said in the other documentary about the screaming, crying + fighting back that Eric did as he got older, it’s impossible to believe anyone in the house wouldn’t hear it.
@@LLynneMpeople only hear and see what they want to hear and see
Ikr sad and pathetic 😮
Exactly!!!
@@jennifertarin4707So true!
It was wrong that they killed their parents BUT living in fear and being tortured your whole life could drive you to it.
Right. Grown men who could leave the house and live on their own at anytime were "tortured" OK.
@@davidlynch9049 This had been going on throughout their childhood.
@@admin1815it's he say she say at this point
This whole case is just sad. It also depicts how 2 things can be true at the same time
Imagine the chances of revealing any abuse with an uncle like that.
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Exactly what I thought. He cares nothing about the possibility that his sister was complicit in her own children being horrifically abused. She did nothing to protect them. His sister is an Angel in his eyes and that’s being complicit too. The elders in this case are just disgusting human beings.
@@KatSut1978 bet those cars took their minds of the "rape" 😂
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@@toddsmith1969I doubt it... They were in an emotional state we cannot understand, and its funny how people don't make jokes like that about the sexual abuse of females. No one would have talked about the money, or them not admitting it right away. It's sad how we are so forgiving of female victims and their behavior but we still blame male victims and make jokes about what they went through...sad.
There’s a similar case in Russia “Sisters Khachaturyan”, where 3 sisters ages 17,18 and 19 brutally killed their father after years of sexual, physical and emotional abuse by their father. I believe these kids have suffered enough, their lives are ruined by their own parents, and they should not be in jail.
Free the Menendez brothers, enough is enough
Were the girls freed. I hope so.
Agreed
That was different. This was greed and hungry for money.
Sure.. but these two killers are lying.
@@O___00 Ofcourse they're lying, they should rot in jail
I was sexually abused by my dad.. and he got away with it.. so.. I stand with the brothers..
Men has not rights for sexual abuse.. like women do it's sad
He definitely didn't get away with it. Every punishment we don't get today
As someone who’ve gone through that as a child by their own father was shameful. Hatred will consume you. Till now I’m so distant with him. No communication. I always wished I was born with a loving father.
Sorry you went through this💚
If I was abused by my parents… I would never see or speak to them! Sorry for your situation.❤
hope things are better for you from linda in scotland
And you absolutely deserved a loving father!!! I'm so sorry yours was not. I wish you the very best in this life.
Exactly. Stay strong and wish you well, strength, happiness, depth, and healing. You deserve nothing but goodness.
There’s a man named Clark Fredericks in NJ, who killed the Cub Scout Leader who SAed him. He was let out of prison and is an inspirational speaker. I admire him. He was triggered and prevented other kids from facing the same fate.
I remember him when he was a guest on Soft White Underbelly. His case reminded me of the Mendez brothers.
He’s amazing he gives so much helpful advice on dealing with ptsd
was he on Oprah? there was a teenager on there being abused by a man and he killed him and only got probation.
These two guys should not be in prison. They were sexually assaulted, sexually abused, molested, tortured emotionally and mentally by both parents. Let them out, it's not fair to what happened to these guys. I careless about the parents.
The woman (I think one of the attorneys) speaking against the brothers and partially denying there was ever abuse..... WAS NOT ABUSED herself, so she has no understanding of what it does to a person. She asks, "Why didn't they tell BEFORE?" I was abused sexually as a very young girl. There are threats that come with that abuse. I never told. It only came out when one of my brothers -- out of spite -- told my parents 35 years later, and THAT was the beginning of the break down of our family. I would NEVER have told my parents. In order to protect my PARENTS, not the offender.
The guy from Menudo that recently accused him of abusing him as well might as well be their ticket to freedom. Hopefully they are freed even if none of them can get justice anymore
I still cannot believe it's been over 30 years they have been in prison
I THREW AWAY THE KEY, CRY ON MY SHOULDER
Where they belong
Where they belong
@@nicolasimpkins3640 nope.
@@LEELUNK-IS-A-HUNKthat key may be revoked.
Sounds like the brothers need to be released. Decades have passed.
I pray these brothers will blessed by God spiritually.
People that have never gone through sexual abuse have no clue at all where your mind goes & the impact it has on a person, especially from the time if said person was being abused since a child..
The one thing I have learned from watching these videos is that everyone is a 48 hours consultant.
Actually, you see a lot of the same "hired guns". Professional witnesses is what they are. Will swear to anything if the price is right.
and most of the time the murders happens in great places, where everyone knows everyone, they do not lock the doors and victim is almost always the nicest person ever...
Except me.. I'm a critique 😂😂
@@fokthewef"critic"!......smh
What a coincidence, I'm also a 48 Hours consultant.
What is wrong with this attorney. The abuse is danger enough.
They might as well let them out. They let out Gypsy Rose why not them?
Every detective “ I’ve never seen a more brutal crime”
Every crime scene is most definitely brutal After all someone is ☠️ 😢
We are meant to be shocked by that comment
I get and agree with your point
Most of them will only ever get to see one scene like this if they ever see any at all
That why we see so many crime scenes get messed up - novices to the experience
It will always be the most brutal thing they’ve ever seen especially if they have literally nothing else to compare it with
Its a comment that has no value other than to the one making it
So they couldn't get a conviction and decided the solution was to just throw out most of the defense's witnesses? What?!
Lyle admitted to asking someone to fabricate stories.
@@brianborstein8456 I heard that. That still doesn't tell me why to throw out SO much from the defense.
@@ruthhase-gutierrez9830 you heard it because Lyle said so himself. If you're willing to have someone fabricate stories, then what else are you fabricating and/or lying about?
@brianborstein8456 at what time stamp did one of the sons admit to asking people to lie for him, so we can see this, cause ya’ll are just saying anything at this point.
@@misskay8131 Lyle did ask specific people to lie for him. Those being two of his ex girlfriends and one of Erik's friends. However much of that comes from long before the first trial started and one of them who testified for the prosecution did say that Lyle had called him during the first trial and told him to drop everything. In one of these letters he sent to Erik's friend he insinuates that his lawyers have no idea and that Erik would rat him out and that's exactly what happened. This witness never testified during the first trial because Erik had told his lawyers that the persons story wasn't true. Lyle certainly made some bad decisions while in jail (since he never wanted to talk about the abuse) but that doesn't mean their defense was fabricated. None of those people were ever asked to lie about abuse and if this was such a common thing you'd fully expect to see a whole lot people coming out and saying "Lyle asked me to lie for him" but no one else ever has. You don't have to take him at his word but Lyle has said he only did this prior to agreeing to talk about the abuse himself. According to him, his lawyers and his family he was refusing to testify about the abuse for a very long time.
Once an DA, always a DA. The quickest conviction is the best.
Why a father would have sex with his own children.? Is so hard to believe for loving normal people. But the reality is these monsters exist.. is hell
"Did you ask not to" The justice system expects a 6 year old CHILD to understand what was happening to them that too by their own Father. A Father whose responsibility was protect his boys not freaking RAPE them.
I pray the ruling takes place soon and they both are set free to live their remaining lives with their respective wives in peace.
YES!
It's time for them to come home. How often are victims prosecuted? Even once is too much. Now let these men go!
I was 3 and I said no I didn't want to
Victim blaming ran strong back then.
@@21m455Well that’s great. Some children have more fear of their abuser than you obviously did. Some are way too scared to speak up. Besides, many sickos who would go to such lengths to fulfill their twisted desires don’t care about a simple “No.” from a little child. That won’t deter them.
I don’t know the truths in this case, but I do know that abuse changes a person’s mental state and thinking. The former prosecutor kept saying what a rational person would do, but can people who have lived with years and years and years of abuse be rational?
Totally agree
Thank you. Succinctly and we’ll said❤
I feel this is totally credible. My defense against my dad was to push it out of my memory ( it became the way I handled all stress!). I finally needed to see a professional in my late 60s. My fury when I uncovered it was huge. It's a good thing my dad had passed by then.
They deserve a new trial.
Not witnessing the abuse is not a defense. Abuse, mostly, never has witnesses. Pfff.
Thank you! Absolutely true….
See how that doesn’t play well in court
Quite convient
It’s not a proof that the abuse didn’t happen but it’s certainly a Defense in a court, otherwise anyone could accuse anybody of abuse and get them in jail.
@@oceanstaiga5928and I wonder if that is the reason why the Court and other authorities are so reluctant to accept the charge of abuse.
Jose was a Monster and Kitty was a pathetic excuse of a “mother”, who didn’t protect her sons! 🤮
They know how to pick their partners
Compliance is a must
Who knows what coercive abuses she was subjected to as well
They didn't deserve to the deaths they were given
@@constancedenchy9801You have no idea.
@@constancedenchy9801 they absolutely did
@@constancedenchy9801they sure did
BELIEVE IT OR NOT..My grandma is actually a cousin of Kitty, the mother killed by the Menendez Brothers and met and knew kitty pretty well. Were from Illinois where Kitty was originally from and got her education. I don't recall her telling me about meeting them, but I guess technically I'm related to them as well? This happened before I was born but all my life my grandma has refused to watch anything related to the Menendez brothers.
This is so sad , even with witnesses saying they were abused . What
As a child abused by a narcissistic mother my whole life, I felt nothing when she died but relief, freedom, and that I could finally live my life without this hanging over my head. I was far more devastated by the loss of my cat in the same year. Thank God for my loving, normal dad. Not odd at all except to the lucky people who have never endured this sort of thing.
I hear ya loud and clear. Sorry for your childhood pain. I'm happy you are able to put yourself first and priorities straight. Well done.
im so sorry you hadto endure that pain. I look forward to the day my father passes.
Feel bad for real victims but these guys are liars. They were adults who wanted to set up what looked like a mafia killing to get the huge estate. They never told therapists. A bunch of ppl want to get the parents’ multimillion dollar estate & they’ve been scheming for decades to get it. One brother went to a therapist & never mentioned the accusations. One isn’t testifying because he’s already run his mouth about the truth. They’re an insult to real victims.
@@piscesempress1978
My prayer is that God will embrace you and that your pain will end soon. No child should endure emotional and physical pain inflicted by a father.
I’m sorry. I also do understand.
I remember this probably being the biggest trial story pre OJ.
I remember vaguely about this. I remember the news talking about the brothers and how my then best friend thought that they were cute. As a victim of sexual assault and rapeyself from 6-18, I can absolutely understand the fear that they had and their actions afterwards are like a relief.
I think they were lying back then and I still think they are lying today. The 'abuse card' is all they had left
Actually the second trial was after OJ got off! That's one of the reasons the D.A. was hell bent on putting these boys away!
@@tasha6954 Good point... Rich people getting off easy was not very popular at that moment
Why do you think they lied?
As a teen, I saw a psychologist for several months and never once admitted to being gay, even though that was the elephant in the room and the reason my parents sent me there. No molestation, just complete inability to open the topic. I can understand 💯 that the Brothers had not discussed molestation with the interviewing psychologist. IMHO, they should not be in prison.
They should be locked up for good
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to shed a tear at my father's funeral too.
I have a friend who was raped repeatedly by her father. She shed no tears at his passing. I get it. I wish for you a happy life moving forward.
I wish you the best. I wouldn’t even grace his de-d body with your amazing presence ❤
❤❤
I'm not even going to my parents funerals.
@@terryellis7692 Same.
The house keeper testified that the dad who put on really inappropriate things on tv for shock value.
Yes, all part of conditioning, grooming.
Flora, the maid, said nothing like that. What you smoking?
Ugh.
@@mikieanthony777they could be talking about their family friend. Alicia Hertz. She said at a dinner their father put a very inappropriate video involving children🤮also Kitty’s sister, Joan, found an inappropriate vhs tape as well
@@Laylnizzl
Alicia said they showed movies which she thought were too mature for the brothers. She didn't say " very inappropriate "
They did not deserve life with out parole. Mistrial.
I 100% believe the father sexually abused them and the mother was an enabler.
Children are never believed same with adult survivors of childhood trauma. It’s disgusting.
Agreed! And however they respond is always wrong: they didnt talk, or didn't talk early enough, or didn't tell the right person or didnt say it the 'correct' way or behaved irrationality or not irrational enough.
And people wonder why folks just keep these things locked up inside.
@@cherelled6419exactly
I've watched the entire trial and all the testimonies that weren't allowed in trial and I completely changed my mind about this case! The Menendez brothers were horrifically abused by their parents. They should've never been convicted of anything other than manslaughter!
After hearing these allegations that photo at 23:19 looks real suspect you start to look for clues.
The uncle most likely inherited his sisters estate and doesn't want to have to return the money to the brothers... They never should have been sent to prison, their entire lives were filled with horrific abuse.
There was no money left - the killer sons spent it all, either on their spending sprees or for their defenses.
This is the grossest thing I’ve read today
They should never be released
they did not inherit nearly as much money as they thought they would, only $5.7 millioon between the two of them, there were mortgages on both their houses
If this happened today, it would have been a completely different trial and ending.
@@Go-goGranny_70facts
I wonder if it would be different
No. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were abused.
Not likely
Free them!!!!
Justice for sexual abuse victims needs to happen. Many men are victims and they dont speak up out of fear. Sexual abuse mostly happened whitin the family or friends. Please look after your kids always!!!
My mom didn't speak of her abuse from her father until I was in my late 30's. No one should be critized for not speaking up. It is something so personal and every one processes and deals with it differently. I think they should at the very least get a new trial. The Uncle is upset because no one wants to believe that their family member could do such a thing. I get that but when there are so many people stating they were how can you still be 100% sure they are lying? The letter can be authenticated through hand writing samples also.
Call authentication isn’t about whether or not the son wrote it… The question is whether he wrote it after the murders, or before them (trying to make it look like he wrote it before the murders).
I hate when people ask "Why didn't you say something before?🙄 They've clearly, and fortunately, have never been in a similar traumatizing situation. It's never easy to speak up about these things 😢
@@maliroa6113Exactly not to mention half the time the victim is being threatened often by people who can definitely make good on those threats! It irks me so bad when people don’t get it as if they would do anything differently especially if they were threatened!
The letter is legit. They've served their time. Release them
NO
Only if they can stay at your house with your kids.
Legit letter? A joke.
@@rhodacruz201 BS LETTER MORE LIKE IT
@@rhodacruz201 BS LETTER MORE LIKE IT
I don't understand why they didn't just run away and tell their story from outside the home away from their parents...
Did you even watch this at all? Psychologically and financially they were still under their father’s thumb. And they were young so the brain isn’t fully developed.
The fact that their own uncle, is wishing them the death penalty says a lot about this family. Poor guys.
The silence of a mother who knows about her children's sexual abuse at the hands of the father is nothing less than dramatic.
Marilyn Van Derber's mother was one of the worst yet.
If she knew and did nothing like it appears she’s just as bad as her husband
She was evil and diabolical. She will be in torments forever.
It is absolutely less than dramatic..... it is foul and disgusting
It's way past time that the spouses are held accountable for their part.
I have found my self in a similar position where I defended a family member who was accused of sexual molestation only to catch the person doing the same thing to a different person a decade later. Just because you love and trust someone does not make them incapable of committing a henious crime. I have since learned to never dismiss the words of a victim but to rather investigate.
I can't believe the father actually said...."you can never fill my shoes" that shows abuse right there....
The type of rage someone can feel after SA is something only people who have endured it can understand. Especially if it happened to someone as a child when you finally realize or understand what happened it’s enough to break anyone. I’m not surprised they were over it and snapped.
The fact that the jury discarded the statements of sexual abuse by Family members, was the injustice here!!
And should be enough for a Retrial. The Men have had their lives ruined. Freedom would be difficult after all that's happened. But they deserve it!
It wasn’t the jury
It was withheld by the judge when Eric refused to stand in public and be humiliated and shamed disregarded and disbelieved yet again
it was not credible
It's circumstantial. no proof with there being conflicting interest connected to the statements and the family members on trial... as wrong as it is..
@@louisejeffries7155 It was Lyle who didn't testify the second time. Not Eric. And that's exactly MY thought!
He really suffered during his first trial testimony.
Them being removed from the will and the dad saying we all make choices (brothers names) and you made yours to me proves that the dad was showing his retaliation.
The Menendez trial case was so inescapable at that time. It is everywhere. Gosh i feel so old watching this.
So both parties forgot about the letters?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is mind blowing.
You got to love those people who say" I never seen anything going on to convince me that there was anything like that happening". You really think that you're going to go over to somebody's house that's accused of the above mentioned and they're going to just do it right out in front of you!??! because you know it's just normal behavior?? no really that's the most ignorant response to me ever.
There were other young men who also reported that he had molested them. I believe the boys. Their responses are so typical of having been molested. The shame and embarrassment will do it every time. They didn't want anyone to know. That is also why they didn't mention it immediately. I would be suspicious if they had been talking about it to everyone, that would be atypical behavior.
If the father told him he wouldn't fill his shoes, it is a giveaway for abuse.
And the son announcing he was wearing them, IMHO, feels like confirmation he was abused, but felt relieved it was over. To me, if they'd killed for money, he wouldn't have said that at the funeral.
18:58 alot of thought...ok so why did the brothers drive around los angeles in bloody clothes with the weapons...imagine if they got pulled over for speeding or a tail light out or something trivial...if it was super planned why did their alibi for the movie fall apart...if they worked this all out in advance..why not bring a change of clothes before leaving the home after the shootings or change at the home...has she thought this through? i have.
Some of you have never been SA'd by someone who was supposed to protect you and it shows.
You just don't know how to tell a liar. It shows
People don't know anything about SA but still talking about the thing they didn't even endure. That pisses me of
@@toddsmith1969 how can you be so sure about that, how? What if it's true and they didn't lie? You are accusing them without the knowledge.
@@narmel8165 if they hated him so much, why take his money? I want nothing to do with my abuser.
@@toddsmith1969 I don't know about the money part, but I can never say they are liars. I always think what if..
Kitty's brother talks about protecting her....CLEARLY! He probly knew everything. No one protected those boys
😂😂 sure
Good point--I translated his words to mean he was mostly interested in protecting her image rather than seeing the hideous truth of her family. Probably unconsciously thinks it will somehow tarnish him , as well but these events and their consequence aren't about him, are they?
I followed this case very diligently when it was being broadcast on Court TV. I felt then, as I do now, that the brothers should have been convicted of voluntary manslaughter. I remember watching the trial in the student lounge @ university. Other students kept wanting to change the channel on the TV, but I prevailed and kept watching it. This was before the OJ case and the ascension of courtroom drama.
If you were born in 1984, this was the biggest case you remember on TV, OJ, and Unibomber.
I am so happy to hear that there are a lot of people on social media supporting these boys. In generations past, it was common for people to blame children not the parents when they didn’t behave the way they were supposed to. Hopefully we’re coming to a realization as a society about the parents responsibility in their children’s lives, and their children’s behavior.
They are approaching 60, sweetie. And they weren't boys when it happened. I'm sure you can write to them and maybe marry one of them if you are that concerned.
@@davidlynch9049 I wonder why you have such a strong and hostile reaction? How old are you? Do you have children? Did you abuse them?
@@davidlynch9049what is your problem??. You need to go under a rock
@@davidlynch9049how is this statement helpful? She was saying her opinion. You don’t have to agree with her but to leave such a nasty comment just says something about you