Can An 85 Year Old Supercharger Make Hellcat Power? - Tony Angelo’s Stay Tuned
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- On this episode of Stay Tuned, the ‘Bird gets Blown! Tony and the guys finally fill the giant hole in the hood of their ’74 street freak Firebird project with a big and burly 6-71 supercharger, and hit the dyno to try and make some horsepower. Jammed with 462 cubic inches of Butler Performance Pontiac power and a 4 speed transmission, will the Firebird FINALLY have the big power to match the big attitude? Does this antiquated, 85 year old supercharger technology have the juice to make Hellcat power? Stay Tuned to find out!
0:00 Intro
0:53 Background on the Firebird
1:44 Intake Install
5:17 History of the Supercharger
6:27 Blower Install
15:41 First Startup!
17:11 QA1 Suspension Install
25:34 Rear Brake Refresh
28:19 Dyno Tuning
43:30 BURNOUTS!
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This is becoming my favorite car show, really great group of guys. Lots of momentum and optimism and fun being had.
absolutely!
You are not allowed to be sad when you have a fancy new shiny BLOWER!!
Me too! This show rocks and stony is killing it
I always have time for Tony
@@JohnnyAnderson1 me too I learn so much
This vid captures the "essence" of why so many of us cherish being gearheads. Every once in a while it all just works, and we spend countless hours chasing that moment forever after haha!
This hits home! I like to do things properly even if it takes more time. Sometimes all that extra work to make everything neat kicks you in the ass when you have to undo everything
“You really put your essence in there”.
Did you choose your words before or after that 😂
Chasing that magical moment thru hours of rusted bolts
You're trying to be funny right now ...right
Gosh dang 🔥🇺🇸
To add to the blower description, these (as Tony explained), came off of GM Detroit diesel 2 stroke truck motors. The 6 in 6-71 is the number of cylinders that the engine had (4, 6, 8, 12 & 16 cylinders) and the 71 refers to the cubic displacement of EACH cylinder. 71 being 71 cubic inches, 92 is 92 cu/in per cyl etc. So, a 8-71 was from an 8 cylinder, 71 cu/in per cylinder motor. Same as 6-071, 8-71, 8-92 etc.
Very cool info. I had no idea this is what the numbers meant. Thank you. Now that I know, it's SIMPLE.
@@phillipzx3754 the 6-71 is inline but there is a 6v-71 and 8v-71. The 12 and 16 cylinder versions were two engines mated. Eg The 12v-71 is 2 6v-71s inline.
One of the Sherman tank variants used whats called the GM twin diesel. It’s 2 6-71s in parallel, one of them runs counter directionally to the other, turning a shared output.
You can run a Detroit clockwise or counter clockwise.
2-stroke diesels cannot naturally aspirate so they require superchargers. Some had turbos but all had superchargers.
They also made a ton of 1, 2 and 3 cylinder engines.
@@danh8302interestingly, these are technically blowers on the Detroits as they are used to clear the combustion chamber of the exhaust, not pressurize it. So they are not used as superchargers on the Detroits, so they are still considered naturally aspirated.
@@spencercastle8638 the call them that because they don’t have turbos but two-stroke diesels cannot naturally aspirate. They require them. So normal aspiration for a 2-stroke includes a blower.
Can’t believe how close you guys came to losing the shop! That was a close call
I lost my shop, & I got accused of things I never did. 🤔
Why'd they almost loose the shop?
I absolutely love the new show. I'm happy you finally got a chance to do your own thing. Keep up the awesome work.
Absolutely loving his thing. I hope you gradually continue to develop this thing on the drag strip. It would be awesome to see some 8 second passes but without losing that 80s style.
Haha ya i agree. i think an 8 second 1/8th mile is doable, 8 sec 1/4 would be like 50k of upgrades
Yeah no, that's not happening, you need WAY more HP to pull an 8 seconds 1/4 on that thing.
That’s why I said to coni tie to develop it. I wasn’t expecting it to happen overnight. It will likely take significant engine, suspension and general upgrades to get there. But I don’t think a 8.99 in the quarter is out of the question.
8 second passes? Not with that Pontiac block and drivetrain.
Maybe triple the horsepower? Along with new trans, bigger tyres and everything else in between.
I'm glad Tony is finally getting his own show! Congratulations to you, Tony & your team! You guys have a great show!
That Bird is awesome in the most 1980's sense possible. And you guys are a riot to watch. Hats off to you all!!!!
You folks are really really good, and very fun to watch. It's like hanging out with friends in a garage (that are a lot better than I am)
Man I love what y’all are going here. I just dragged my moms 79 Trans Am to the house to get it running again. There’s a lot of rust but your makin a man have big dreams down the road. Keep it up!
I f..king love this car, it's amazing the paint scheme survived all those years, can't wait to see you take it to drag week or something, Rj in Oz
Best car show man! No useless acting, drama and over the edge promotion. Down to earth, cool guys working on cars! Fav show so far! Love it
Tony: Make sure you synchronize the carb linkage and check for wide open throttle. Just have someone hold it to the floor while you peek into the carbs. Really happy to see the blower finally go on this thing! You've got a little stumble when you whack the throttle, so make sure you adjust the primary accelerator pumps. You might need a more aggressive pump cam. It's a really great idea to run boost referenced carbs because they blowers can pull a vacuum at high rpm wide open throttle and cause the power valves to close which leans the motor out and kills pistons. If you don't have those, just run a higher-than-normal power valve like an 8.5 and it'll be fine.
It’s amazing how quick the production value and camera work has improved on your show! Love to see it Tony!
I was wanting to install cameras around Uncle Rudies Property but I don't want him to feel alienated.
I love that you kept the Pontiac motor instead of doing any swapping. I have an 83 Celica Supra that I bought as a shell but managed to get running with the original motor and will probably turbo it while building a swap (m54b30) just to see what the original stuff could do.
I love that Tony Angelo got his own show. He was SO POSITIVE working with Finnegan. Congrats my dude.
Now THAT is what I call a celebratory burnout! Good job guys!
I'm so happy you're doing car stuff in PA. I grew up here and remember the car scene in the '80s and '90s, nice to see places that look familiar when you're out and about.
Watching this after Sick Week made your effort on the track even more spectacular! Thanks Derek for the interview and the link so we could enjoy this!
Detroit 2cycle 71 series engines ranged from a 2-71 to a 24v71. There were inline and V types in the 6 cylinder models. The first number being the number of cylinders, the 2nd number cubic inch displacement of each cylinder. Each one had a supercharger for scavenging due to the fact there was no inlet valves only exhaust valves.
Pontiac trick #1 is to cut the water cross over off the intake so you don't have to drain the coolant to get the intake off. Which wouldn't matter in this setup because you're changing the cross over type but just a heads up.
Yep. It also makes it way easier to port match the intake runners
It's cool watching someone else work on a 2nd gen firebird. I ended up ditching my leafs and going with a Chris Alston 4-link and a narrowed 9 inch and some DSE mini tubs.
I love watching Tony Angelo videos. Dude is nuts and I love it!
2-stroke diesels are just so cool. Thanks for all the blowers Detroit!
Man of the year for keeping a Pontiac V8 in it....😉👍
Oh so what you’re saying is “click off the video right now cause it isn’t touching 700hp in Tony’s dreams”, Pontiac V8’s were dogs compared to what you could build a 350 up to be, the 400c.i from Pontiac was ass
@@mullittmustang256 Huh?.....I was just giving him some credit for trying to do it the hard and expensive way to keep it all Pontiac they way it was done back in the 70s and 80s.....a modern truly reliable 700hp with an outdated Pontiac design requires aftermarket block, heads, bottom end parts, it can be done......any fool with a check book and a summit/jegs catalog can throw together a cheaper, more reliable, and more powerful chevy or ford engine.....at that point you might as well just have a camaro or mustang which everyone else already has. Either your a fan of seeing guys who like a challenge to make more power with some of the older off brand stuff like buick, olds, pontiac, mopar, amc, studebaker etc......or your one of those ford vs. chevy guys. I like anything thats fast or neat looking, bonus if its both.
@@jasonrackawack9369 no I just hate junk engines, even butler performance can’t make a 400 Pontiac do good unless it’s fully billet aluminum. Swap in a 350/396/454 and then it’d be feasible to build up and still be gm powered
Tony is such an awesome dude and a great mechanic and host. He tells you what you need and want to know and none of the boring stuff.
And no walking about with cans of beer if you known what I mean 🇬🇧
This thing is sick! Cant wait to see a quarter mile run
Drum brakes: I use a string to pull the springs on a drum brake set up. Make it easier for most. A good set of vise grips that are not worn out will help with the rest.
love this so much. thank you Hagerty for getting tony on the show and would love to see more of him and his rides.
That race gas tune with the 44 tooth is gunna be wild.
Awesome resurrection of a street strip build.
I'm imagining you pulling a matching jet boat. 👍
It's definitely one of the most badass cars I've seen in a while! Nice job!
I love how proud Tony is of himself in that last scene!
Awesome work! Love to see the progress while you all are enjoying yourselves. Fun to watch. Would love to see the engine rev. over 5k if the hp is still trending up.
Tony you are killin' it, I feel like you could have 3 episodes here!! So much good stuff here!!
I don’t know what exactly the emotion I was feeling was but at the end when the smoke was rolling out from those fenders and the excitement on these guys faces after the journey they just took us on was over, my eyes welled up with tears.. great job guys! Beautiful car and amazing mix of new and old.. a masterpiece for sure.
I had a old 74 firebird back in the late 90's. This is such an awesome episode, way to go making that Poncho scream! Love this car!
I love this old school setup. And old school pro street cars. I miss that era of hot rods.
It makes me very happy to see a Pontiac motor in that thank you. I am a Ford guy and a fox body guy so I’m sure you understand my love of cars with a motor from the same company that built the car. The right way to build a car
This car is so cool looking and retro. I remember seeing ones like this at Street Machine Nationals in the 80's. Wish I had the time and money to do this to my 79 Formula 4-speed. Only a 4.9...probably 120hp to the rear wheels.
Tony has such an incredible personality which makes him so interesting to watch. The way he explains things is not too overdone so you can understand what he is explaining. I totally felt his pain as soon as he started with the drum brakes and the Metallica Cliff Burton reference just totally threw this whole episode over the top.
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Tony I hope u will read this.. back in 1978, I took a 871 GM blower to my local High School where I kind of went, but the Machine Shop teacher sort of liked me. I also took a old mid rise tunnel ram intake from my 426 hemi. that was also at the school shop, where pete and i were grinding and polishing the heads and head serfaces on the block. we cut off the top of the intake manifold, and i took it into the welding shop and I welded the base plate Pete cut and made for me on a old mechanical Mill. we then milled the intake faces and the blower base and polished them. Pete then built me a Drive for the blower to make the belt alline, with the belt tightener we also built in the school machine shop. Making the top plate, I had a friend way smarter and tallented than me set and adjust the shakey old 750 double pumper carbs. Ralf was a complete mirical worker when it come time to tune and adjust carbs. His and my need to go even faster, we converted to Mixed Fuel. I cannot remember the exact name but we mixed Nitros into the fuel. because my class I do remember we were only allowed to put so many onces to the 4.5 gallon fuel tank. to make you shudder, my fuel tank was a cut down army Jerry can. I had all of that in a 1969 chevelle, i put a drop axle from a 1966 fargo truck because the A frames in the susention could not carry the weight. The diff was a Ford Pickup 9 inch, that beleive me was one super sketchy suspention sort of 4 link. I think was more like a 2 and a half link with some rods that were sorta there for good luck. lol. but I raced the car for 3 sumers with out to much trouble. into the fourth year the blower exploded and the car burned so hot it litterly melted down things i could not beleive would melt. I do miss the old thing alot. cause it was a fun little car to drive, scary but fun. and i still here to remember it and tell about it
I'm not a muscle guy.. but this is really well done as a show and very well presented.
Hagerty is going for the crown of YT Auto content!
I was thinking the same thing, they really managed to get a hold on some of the most intresting guys in the business, from barn find chasers tohands on guys, like these guys right here, they really have a great variety, clearly chosen by a proper gearhead 👍🏻🖤🏴☠️
That was awesome. When you asked to pick horsepower I thought it could go 550 so I'm really glad you went 568.
That motor was just eating up all the boost so happily.
Don't forget stay tuned has its very own channel show the guys some love!
The music in your videos is such a mood. I like it a lot, fits the cars incredibly well
10/10 this is one of My most favorite builds on UA-cam hands down.
Sick, just sick.
Tony and crew, you knocked it put of the park!
This old Pontiac firebird with it's hand ported heads and the 6/71 roots blower is more interesting than literally all the cookie-cutter turbo junkyard LS builds that flood the internet.
The key here is the historic nostalgia.
In 50 years nobody is going to yearn for the era of turbocharged junkyard engines fitted to plastic cars.
But cars with chrome bumpers, roots blowers and the hand built oddball engines will always be a worthy pursuit.
You've got one of a kind, and that means something.
I dunno man, there's definitely something to be said about cheap, fast, and fun cars. Not every build has the goal to hold value and be a collector piece. Some of us just like building fun stuff. Tony's T/A is definitely super rad, but the '80s theme isn't for everybody. Just like an S-10 with a turbo LS isn't for everybody.
First time watching. Brings back all the good times from the 80’s racing every weekend! You guys are great, feels like being at my buddy’s garage and staying up all night to get everything just right! Awesome!!!
This show puts a smile on my face
Smiles for days with this project! Keep up the awesome work, gentlemen!
My son bought me the 1973 trans am 455 4 speed car I sold in 1978 it was missing the engine and interior, I have a rebuildable 455 out of a 73 Grandville but since it is not original I think a plower would make it bad ass after watching this Street Freak come to life
This is my favorite car of Tony's by far. I hope it makes some really good power.
It's great to see Tony Angelo again! Also, awesome team you have, guys!
This channel is top tier. My guy explains and talks very descriptive very knowledgeable. My favorite channel in a hurry
You guys Rock! Ty for doing a show on 74 firebird, this is my era.
I have a 1975 TA I love my car and you inspired me to keep building on it.
Sweet video Tony and crew, this reminds me of one of these new, my brother in laws buddy had one silver metallic with grey interior with 400 V8 4speed, were like 14/15 years of age and thought this was the most badass car in our high school, this car just took it up to the next level ,when you put in the ford 9" and stronger 4 speed and some more test and tuning you'll knocking on the door of 600 RWHP with the blink of an eye , i think even Steve Brule would be impressed at what you and the crew have done with this car, Finnegan will be watching this video and smiling from ear to ear cheering you on Tony 👍
Great to see Tony has a channel of his own, he's definitely earned it! Big Firebird love...thanks for posting! (The episodes would be better with a little less bro time and a little more go time, though)
This is on Haggerty but, yeah, Tony's channel is great.
I actually disagree on the bro time. It makes me feel like I’m there working with my buddies. There’s always bro time going on and jobs just take longer. But it’s way more fun.
I like to see the guy's, get to know about them, see how they work and think. I think the shows could be longer so you will get your go time too.
SUCH a good show... So happy for you, Tony.. you deserve this. And thank you Hagerty for making this sort of media possible.
Just discovered your channel, and love everything old school muscle. I bought a 71 chevelle ss new off the showroom floor, and immediately started souping that big 454 up. But it seemed no matter what I did to it, my buddies firebird always did just a little bit better. So this episode brings back a lot of fond quarter mile memories. Thanks for bringing that old girl back to life. It's obvious she's not finished yet.
Tony is the best! Cool episode guys
Reminds me tons of my b-in-law's blown '68 Camaro dragster back in the very early 90's that was done up in purple & light blue metal flake, purple velour seats & dash, the whole 10 yards.
That bolt & pocket mount trick was the first time I’ve ever seen that! Much better than beating one with a hammer!
I just grab the eyelet with a big vice grip and bend the eyelet out on either side until it's right.
Man dude I bet Tony is just as cool and chill in person, probably an awesome ass friend,I love the way he explains stuff in beginner terms enough for someone who you tubes their ways through builds and mods and for entertainment as well,great content brotha 💪
I was just wondering when they’d drop a new episode of Stay Tuned. What a treat!
Good to see you Tony! I subscribed to Hagerty just for your content and dont see it as much as preferred but that being said, love it! Hope things are good between yourself and your former partner Lucky, I know all too well that working relationships aren't always what they seem. Thoroughly enjoyed your previous stuff and look forward to your future endeavors!
Great job Tony you and your guys deserve a win for all the hard work that you have put in. Love the HP that beast makes can't wait to see it at the strip.Power on my brother!!
Love these guys! So much fun! Brings me back to my first build! I miss it so much! Keep up the great content! 🎉😊😎
I love this kind of content. I wish I had the money to do this kind of stuff for fun. I know it's your guys job but still if it was my job I think it would be pretty fun to have that kind of a job. More videos like this please.
I'm so happy for you Tony, you guys did a great job on this one.
No way. This guy has his shop like right next to where I live. It’s like right on high street. I could literally walk to it right now
Wow. Absolutely love this show! Great team and dynamics between everyone! Such a sick build!
Tony awesome content I can't wait to see this thing with a ford rear, better brakes. It is going to be a great street car for Hot Rod drag week.
Hagerty killing it with content!
Heckin right. Motortrend asleep at the wheel... focusing too much on post and gimmicky carshow bullcrap.
@@hawaiian_judge5113 yeah, exactly, Roadkill guys don't look like they're having fun at all and putting Derek on MT doing the same stuff, the same way, saying the same stuff, over and over and over is BORING.
@@hendo337 Bro.. you took the thoughts right out of my head! I cancelled my MT sub this month. Harerty, Jimmy Oakes, Vicegrip and Dennis Collins are at the top of the list now.
@@hawaiian_judge5113 I haven't been watching Derek anymore, the guy lives less than 20 miles from me and he has ZERO absolutely NOTHING to do with any local people or car stuff in this community here. They came up with that story about someone stealing a crappy 1bbl carb talking like they afraid of people around here and this is rural TN where some of the nicest kindest people in the world live. If some meth weirdo stole something they didn't know who Derek even was, it definitely wasn't a "fan" .
Ah, Turbo Yoda's favourite type of heat pump 😉 Still made good power though 😊
Love this show! Glad tony is still building cars and making videos.
Seeing Tony look at the supercharger installed on the engine for the first time.. He looks like a proud dad! 😁
It really was a big moment. I've been trying to get a proper Pontiac engine with a blower in the car for 2 years. Felt something on this one.
For the power steering, you could use the Electric PS pump out of a Volvo S40. Fox Body guys have been using them for quite a while
You may have your years wrong? I don’t know foxbodies but I’ve owned a few P2 Volvos (01-09 S60/V70) and I’m 99% sure they all had hydraulic power steering. Maybe you meant 13-18?
@@MicahS70T5M Electric driven hydraulic PS pump.
@@littleherms3285 I’ve removed the power steering pump bracket to get to the alternator back when I had my 2004 S60R. There is a power steering pump driven by the serpentine belt. It’s a royal pain so I remember it lmao. It also definitely only had power steering while the engine was running… doesn’t necessarily mean it’s hydraulic but that’s not my experience with other electric power steering
My 05 XC70 was the same
I think he ment S40.
@@littleherms3285 Yep, my bad
Absolutely loved the tidbit on Mr. Navarro, a diesel, and a flathead. The transparency in most all things is vastly appreciated. My guess was 647 with aviation fuel.
What's crazy cool is how that's a OG custom paint job from whatever time frame I want to say 50s style but done in the 70s is just fascinating and the condition is just wild.
Blowers are so cool. Turbos are neat too, but there's something about the massive blower sticking out the bonnet that just makes me think ''this car has got some guts to it''.
Also, its really interesting seeing the painfree blower install compared to FuzzyDice's continued blower problems. I guess that happens when you buy new vs used :D
Fuzzydice is using a long discontinued and somewhat obscure blower. That adds to the cool factor IMO but also the headaches.
There is NOTHING like the sound of a strong Pontiac V8 and there NOTHING like watching the cool guys 😎 at Stay Tuned. If you watch a DVD or Blue Ray of Smokey and The Bandit on 5.1 they actually changed the sound of the car, it's not a Pontiac V8 anymore, it sounds like a ln old SBC pickup without mufflers with a factory cam, it LITTERALY ruins the movie for me I was like "Bye, bye baby" and hucked it. Apparently you can put the audio in Mono in some versions and the original Pontiac 400 W72 sounds return.
Doesn't get any better than the set up you have, sweet ride.
This is first episode I ever watched from you guys and I’m hooked. Love the content
Hang a dry erase board up that says days since we almost lost the shop and leave it at 0
Lol, I love this-TA
SO glad you're on Hagerty now, Tony!! If for no other reason than your sound quality is a million times better. Love how you keep it real, that abandoned Buick with NOS was very fun to watch. I was cracking up when you had a full back seat power-sliding all over the track. EPIC!
Ha, we are thrilled to be here! Yes, it's nice to just focus on the car build and making the show and not the microphones! Thanks for watching!
Awesome. Coming together nicely. And Tony drove it and it didn’t break!
Old School is Awesome ❤
4 weeks later and we finally get Stay Tuned, what people actually watch on hagerty
I like the redline rebuilds with Davin..
We did take an episode off, but I promise we won't do it again! Thanks for watching!
Hagerty has something for everyone, I like cars period and love the diversity.
9:22 Best part of the whole video. Keep up the good work guys!
Absolutely insane!! You guys rocked it out Love this Street Freak Machine!! Keep up the HP's
11 comments and NOT a single person question the Title of this video ????
Bro same here.
Awesome car Tony you guys did a great job. Love the show I'll keep following thanks for all the stuff enjoy.
Nothing as cool as the Old School setups. Good job Tony !!!
Look at the orange tool and parts wall full of organized drawers 😁 super sweet I actually really appreciate that and the shop itself looks very industrial and retro mixed with modern.
Ohhhh. Nice trick on the suspension pocket!!
Thanks for the great content and thank you Hagerty for putting so much into their media budget!
I remember teaching myself how to rebuild drum brakes back in the 80s when I was about 16…
You talk about learning the hard way! I made 80 walk around trips to look at the other side..😂
What a cool car Tony! I love the paint job most! I have always loved flake paint and this combo of Old School outside and the drive line mods under is perfect.
Awesome work boys. Love it.
Fun video. Always love your on screen positive outlook.