Nice review! I wish you'd elaborate some more on the feel of the bow (draw smoothess, feel of the grip, ability to hold on target). I know that's somewhat subjective, but you're on the enviable position of being able to try out all the new bows, and you're a good archer.
Good job honest is always good great job in all you said I do like Elite but I’m a dealer of 8-10 brands and been doing this for 30-35 years I’ve seen it all heard it all hats off to you support your local dealer first and then the rest if you have to great job again
On the sound, is the meter just picking up the arrow as it is going by and not the sound of the bow? I'm assuming you're using the same 350 grain arrows every time. I wonder if you tried different fletching and see if the sound level is different? Or is there enough of an echo in the room that everything sounds the same? Oh and ignore all the Debbie Downers complaining about every little thing. You're doing the most in depth reviews of anyone and it is appreciated.
Any chance ur sound meter is picking up the impact to the target even with the closed door behind it? Seems possible considering the numbers are so close. One way to check would be to check it outdoors with the target far away. Alternatively u can use ur super slow mo camera and see if u can separate the readout from when the bow actually fires and when it hits the target, presuming the read out updates that fast
Since I’m convalescing at this time, the videos give me something to do. I’m even second guessing you on your grading before you say it😂. Without sounding arrogant I guess right with you most of the time. Good review Josh.
Is it possible the decibel meter is catching the arrow sound as it passes could you put it closer to the bow where the actual sound of the bow going off is
Will you add the measurement?The full draw stability.Which is the brace height at full draw, Lancaster archery said.That's why the PSE mock series is are so accurate at long ranges.Is because the brace height at full draw is almost 8 inches.I wanted to see what other bows are at full draw.
I would love a video to show everyone how the let off adjustment effects draw length and performance. I think they’re all long because they ship them at 90%. I wonder if the company has a “factory” let off position to match the module position for correct draw?
Elite states on their mod chart that draw length and speed are measured at 80% let off so there’s you extra length. I’d assume if the let off were set down to 80% the draw length would be spot on.
@josephfolsom2030 lower let off increases velocity. So the velocity would go up by reducing let off to 80%. At 70lbs and 90% let off equals 7lbs to hold the bow back. 70lbs at 80% is 14lbs to hold at full draw. That increase in pressure helps to accelerate the arrow. You aren't getting an extra 20fps from it, only a couple extra fps. Sony believe me? Shoot your bow as is at 100yards. Change your let off to the opposite end of the spectrum. If your let off increased (80 to 90 percent) your arrow will impact lower. If you decreased your let off (90-80 percent) your arrow will impact higher. Happy Hunting!
The speed is right on. The only thing that confuses me, why not start at 27.5" and go out to 33" draw? How many 26.5" people are looking for something like this bow vs their other offerings?
I agree 100 percent it’s for long draw archers so why are they starting at 26.5 it’s should start at 29 and go to 34 a short draw archers would go with the regular version if they wanted this bow
THIS is the same thing I wondered… I have a 32.5-33” DL and would’ve bought one. Talked to the lead engineer at TAC and asked if they’d have anything that’d go out to 33” DL and he said “we’ll have something for ya”… guess not.
@@lukemcd4412 Thats a bummer. If they went to 33", it would've been good competition for the Mathews Atlas and Hoyt Highline. What are you shooting now?
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym I’ve shot all the LD bows from Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech. I eventually came back to the Atlas and have been loving that bow. Hoyt Highline was a close second for me.
Instead of measuring the “load off point”, could you measure the string angle? Measuring the load off point isn’t an apples to apples comparison between bows of their brace heights are different, but measured string angle at 30” draw could be directly compared to each other
MFJJ would you possibly be able to review the new Dialed Archery Pruf, sight looks sickk. Amazing features and light, compact. Made in US, no BS warranty for life. Just dont think it has adjustable pins for the vertical 3 pin design but everything else looks moneyy
How about different metrics for weight on bows over a certain ATA. Hard to mark longer ATA bows down for weight when it’s obvious it’s gonna be heavier.
Have you tried your release on a rope to see what the noise level of the release is ? I think in this case it is marginally quieter than the bow in the video mike ! I'm you could find a quieter bow (eventually !)
You know what I am missing here?! There is not much light when the sun is not out. I remember you had this standing lighting fixture in one of the videos next to the board. What happened with that?
How does it compare to a Hoyt Rx4 Redworx? And I mostly deer hunt with my Hoyt but we still like to shoot from time to time for fun also. Is it time for an upgrade or is my Rx4 still good technology and compared to your more recent bows?
I know you have mentioned the draw cycle is nice or smooth. Is there a way to measure the draw cycle and graph it to show the hump or smoothness. Then you could overlay the speed mod with the comfort mod and show that as a graph in post processing. It would give a nice visual and could be done in the draw board so its not dependent on how a human pulls
Why did the other high end bows get upgraded to the yokes and the Exalt models still have the old cam system? I want to get one, but seeing the other models makes me feel like they will just release and Exalt with yokes in a year or two.
No, the yokes are on the shorter ata bows to address the problems they were having with the cams rubbing the cables on the longer draw length settings. With a bow this long, those problems don’t occur.
Interesting how some of these speed bows are only shooting the 650 grain arrows 4-5fps faster than this bow here. Even though they are 20fps faster with a 350
I’m not surprised, the same thing happens when I try a speed bow and a comfort bow at my 27.5 inch draw. It’s never worth the bad draw cycle for 8 fps.
I hear guys always talking about draw lengths and speeds short. When you have bows that go from 75-90 % letoff. 75% is most likely ( unless stated), some test at 80%. But when you go to 85-90% yes, your draw length is going to be a little longer, yes your speed is going to be down. That bow IS NOT 14 for under ibo. Set let off to 75% and you'll pick up another 5-8 fos . Plus this bow came in just over 70#. They can test up to 72#. So actually test a bow like they do, and you have your speed. Damn I get tired of hearing about bows being slow when it's the way they are being setup and shot is the problem. Not shirt ibo
Once again not checking speed and draw lengths at 80% letoff my Exalt35 29" draw 63.5lb 80% letoff with a 396gr arrow is shooting 301fps with the performance mods
Depends if you specd your arrows for 60 or 70lbs and if it's maxed at 60 or turned down to 60. If it's a 70lb bow with a spine for 70lbs and you turn it down to 60 it's going to shoot a lot slower
650s are slow arrows not adult arrows. 450g is enough to kill a bison. I have a 2019 elite ritual 33 that shoots 295ish with 456g arrows with 29.5 draw at 72lbs , weird these new bows are slower
I would love a deep dive video talking about why half of bow manufactures make there bows with around 2 inches of reflex. Is there some pro to it that I'm missing?
It is for speed the more reflex = less brace height = a longer draw stroke so it would simulate the shooter has a longer draw length than what they actually have.
It's a limitation of limb length (they have to be a certain length to be able to properly flex and bend). If they could make the limbs 3" long, they'd be able to give every riser a deflexed design.
That makes sense, though the bow manufactures with small amounts of reflex make bows that are real close in speed as well. Is the amount of reflex just not that big of a deal?
@@daniels362 the more reflex you have it tends to make it torque easier and that will give you inconsistent impacts. Not a big deal if you are mostly shooting 40 yards and closer. If you have really good archery form it is not an issue.
Wow never thought I'd see the day. Elite made a bow that can actually fit me.
Nice review! I wish you'd elaborate some more on the feel of the bow (draw smoothess, feel of the grip, ability to hold on target). I know that's somewhat subjective, but you're on the enviable position of being able to try out all the new bows, and you're a good archer.
Good job honest is always good great job in all you said I do like Elite but I’m a dealer of 8-10 brands and been doing this for 30-35 years I’ve seen it all heard it all hats off to you support your local dealer first and then the rest if you have to great job again
Thanks man for shooting the shorter draw.
For a long draw bow?
I would like to see the sound reading for each arrow shot. Just curious how much quieter, if any from lighter to heavier arrow.
On the sound, is the meter just picking up the arrow as it is going by and not the sound of the bow? I'm assuming you're using the same 350 grain arrows every time. I wonder if you tried different fletching and see if the sound level is different? Or is there enough of an echo in the room that everything sounds the same?
Oh and ignore all the Debbie Downers complaining about every little thing. You're doing the most in depth reviews of anyone and it is appreciated.
Any chance ur sound meter is picking up the impact to the target even with the closed door behind it? Seems possible considering the numbers are so close. One way to check would be to check it outdoors with the target far away. Alternatively u can use ur super slow mo camera and see if u can separate the readout from when the bow actually fires and when it hits the target, presuming the read out updates that fast
Since I’m convalescing at this time, the videos give me something to do. I’m even second guessing you on your grading before you say it😂. Without sounding arrogant I guess right with you most of the time. Good review Josh.
Hot Topic must have had a bangin sale on those Nirvana T shirts.
Is it possible the decibel meter is catching the arrow sound as it passes could you put it closer to the bow where the actual sound of the bow going off is
Will you add the measurement?The full draw stability.Which is the brace height at full draw, Lancaster archery said.That's why the PSE mock series is are so accurate at long ranges.Is because the brace height at full draw is almost 8 inches.I wanted to see what other bows are at full draw.
Just bought one .. From my local Pro Shop !!
Sucks they didn’t use the yoke system in this bow like they did in the tiny Artus
Any chance of banging out the 24' flagships in the new testing format? Would be cool to see how they stack up against this years crop.
Also, will you review the p?Yes?E mock 35DS.I'm interested in buying that bowl
Thanks for taking the time on all the bows.
And were those corduroys?
I would love a video to show everyone how the let off adjustment effects draw length and performance. I think they’re all long because they ship them at 90%. I wonder if the company has a “factory” let off position to match the module position for correct draw?
Elite states on their mod chart that draw length and speed are measured at 80% let off so there’s you extra length. I’d assume if the let off were set down to 80% the draw length would be spot on.
@@bpb8604 The speed would go down as well
@josephfolsom2030 lower let off increases velocity. So the velocity would go up by reducing let off to 80%.
At 70lbs and 90% let off equals 7lbs to hold the bow back.
70lbs at 80% is 14lbs to hold at full draw.
That increase in pressure helps to accelerate the arrow. You aren't getting an extra 20fps from it, only a couple extra fps.
Sony believe me? Shoot your bow as is at 100yards. Change your let off to the opposite end of the spectrum.
If your let off increased (80 to 90 percent) your arrow will impact lower.
If you decreased your let off (90-80 percent) your arrow will impact higher.
Happy Hunting!
@@PersonalBestOutdoors I wasn’t thinking correctly. Less let off = more speed
@@bpb8604 Right on!! Thanks!!
Check and see if your garmin needs updated, I've fired well over 50 shot strings and havnt had an issue.
gday, my garmin when double checking the arrow velocity with two chrono's i found the garmin needs nothing in front, for about 7 to 8 meters good luck
I would be curious if mfjj had or even shot the Mathew’s safari McPherson edition bow would be cool to see a review on that one
Do he set the let-off the same on all bows? I don't remember him saying what he sets it to.
This guy is the shit when it comes to bows best in the buisness
The speed is right on. The only thing that confuses me, why not start at 27.5" and go out to 33" draw? How many 26.5" people are looking for something like this bow vs their other offerings?
I agree 100 percent it’s for long draw archers so why are they starting at 26.5 it’s should start at 29 and go to 34 a short draw archers would go with the regular version if they wanted this bow
For shorter draw archers like me this could be a target/hunting hybrid bow
THIS is the same thing I wondered… I have a 32.5-33” DL and would’ve bought one. Talked to the lead engineer at TAC and asked if they’d have anything that’d go out to 33” DL and he said “we’ll have something for ya”… guess not.
@@lukemcd4412 Thats a bummer. If they went to 33", it would've been good competition for the Mathews Atlas and Hoyt Highline. What are you shooting now?
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym I’ve shot all the LD bows from Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech. I eventually came back to the Atlas and have been loving that bow. Hoyt Highline was a close second for me.
Instead of measuring the “load off point”, could you measure the string angle?
Measuring the load off point isn’t an apples to apples comparison between bows of their brace heights are different, but measured string angle at 30” draw could be directly compared to each other
Man I wanna get to the Archery shop and pick up a new Bow
MFJJ would you possibly be able to review the new Dialed Archery Pruf, sight looks sickk. Amazing features and light, compact. Made in US, no BS warranty for life. Just dont think it has adjustable pins for the vertical 3 pin design but everything else looks moneyy
How about different metrics for weight on bows over a certain ATA.
Hard to mark longer ATA bows down for weight when it’s obvious it’s gonna be heavier.
Have you tried your release on a rope to see what the noise level of the release is ? I think in this case it is marginally quieter than the bow in the video mike ! I'm you could find a quieter bow (eventually !)
Check it on 32inch that's who the bow is made for..
He won’t, never does.
Exactly!
Just add 15-20fps
Average jack archery did a review on the LD yesterday and shot it at 31 inches, he's 6 foot 4 so he was happy to have a bow that fits him so we'll lol
I agree, curious myself to see how it feels and performs at 32. Fingers crossed that there is still little room to play with at end of the cam.
You know what I am missing here?! There is not much light when the sun is not out. I remember you had this standing lighting fixture in one of the videos next to the board. What happened with that?
After all the bows come out this year can we get a list with all the scores for each bow?
review the Bow Spider holster please!
Could the sound being the same be the arrow hitting the target?
Maybe the sound dbs are the same just the pitch between the bows are different which creates a perception of how "loud" each one is
With the cam positions slightly different for a 27.5 inch draw, would the draw feel smoother on the LD then the regular Exhalt?
How does it compare to a Hoyt Rx4 Redworx? And I mostly deer hunt with my Hoyt but we still like to shoot from time to time for fun also. Is it time for an upgrade or is my Rx4 still good technology and compared to your more recent bows?
Are you taking into account that Elite states that their draw lengths and speeds are measured at 80% letoff?
Exactly, that’s where the extra length is coming from.
I see guys shooting and then start bashing , " this damn bow is 1/2" long and 10 fps slow. Well hell, you shooting it on 90% or more , it's gonna be.
You don't have to give the disclaimer about talking softly for the sound test on every review video IMO
How do the speed mods feel compared to standard?
I know you have mentioned the draw cycle is nice or smooth. Is there a way to measure the draw cycle and graph it to show the hump or smoothness. Then you could overlay the speed mod with the comfort mod and show that as a graph in post processing. It would give a nice visual and could be done in the draw board so its not dependent on how a human pulls
Its pretty easy to do but i assume he's to busy to get that far into the weeds.
Again does letoff make a difference?
They come from the factory at 90%
Maybe try setting it to 70 or 80 and see if it’s faster??
Why did the other high end bows get upgraded to the yokes and the Exalt models still have the old cam system? I want to get one, but seeing the other models makes me feel like they will just release and Exalt with yokes in a year or two.
No, the yokes are on the shorter ata bows to address the problems they were having with the cams rubbing the cables on the longer draw length settings. With a bow this long, those problems don’t occur.
Can someone point me to where I can see the scores for each bow?
Thank you
Just can’t help but be a smart ass every time you shoot the 650 grain arrows.
Interesting how some of these speed bows are only shooting the 650 grain arrows 4-5fps faster than this bow here. Even though they are 20fps faster with a 350
I’m not surprised, the same thing happens when I try a speed bow and a comfort bow at my 27.5 inch draw. It’s never worth the bad draw cycle for 8 fps.
I hear guys always talking about draw lengths and speeds short. When you have bows that go from 75-90 % letoff. 75% is most likely ( unless stated), some test at 80%. But when you go to 85-90% yes, your draw length is going to be a little longer, yes your speed is going to be down. That bow IS NOT 14 for under ibo. Set let off to 75% and you'll pick up another 5-8 fos . Plus this bow came in just over 70#. They can test up to 72#. So actually test a bow like they do, and you have your speed. Damn I get tired of hearing about bows being slow when it's the way they are being setup and shot is the problem. Not shirt ibo
Once again not checking speed and draw lengths at 80% letoff
my Exalt35 29" draw 63.5lb 80% letoff with a 396gr arrow is shooting 301fps with the performance mods
Out of curiosity, what speed do you lose per 10 pounds? 60# 28" compared to 70# 28"?
Depends if you specd your arrows for 60 or 70lbs and if it's maxed at 60 or turned down to 60. If it's a 70lb bow with a spine for 70lbs and you turn it down to 60 it's going to shoot a lot slower
20fps is pretty standard or about 2fps/1lb
650s are slow arrows not adult arrows. 450g is enough to kill a bison. I have a 2019 elite ritual 33 that shoots 295ish with 456g arrows with 29.5 draw at 72lbs , weird these new bows are slower
Wonder how the draw cycle is compared to your bow and a newer slower bow?
It’s sarcasm. He has a thing going with the Ashby types that preach heavy arrows.
Your ritual has way different geometry than this crossover now. This bow might be a touch slower but it will be a lot more forgiving and accurate.
Nice
No new yoke system tho
The yokes are for the short ata bows to alleviate cams rubbing cables. No need for that here.
It's faster than the regular exalt
Please end every video with Trolls get ready and have fun..... I couldn't stop laughing about you making fun of the weirdos on a tuff keyboard. Lol
I would love a deep dive video talking about why half of bow manufactures make there bows with around 2 inches of reflex. Is there some pro to it that I'm missing?
It is for speed the more reflex = less brace height = a longer draw stroke so it would simulate the shooter has a longer draw length than what they actually have.
It's a limitation of limb length (they have to be a certain length to be able to properly flex and bend). If they could make the limbs 3" long, they'd be able to give every riser a deflexed design.
That makes sense, though the bow manufactures with small amounts of reflex make bows that are real close in speed as well. Is the amount of reflex just not that big of a deal?
@@daniels362 the more reflex you have it tends to make it torque easier and that will give you inconsistent impacts. Not a big deal if you are mostly shooting 40 yards and closer. If you have really good archery form it is not an issue.
All you learches out there lol 😂😂
As far as noise, people who have bought this bow report very quiet and very dead in hand.