The Lift and Lift X are the first Mathews that I have had serious consideration in. I am a Bowtech guy and Mathews isn't even the #2 brand for me, but the Lift platform is very impressive. As much as I would like to try the X, I believe this is a platform they will continue to build upon for a few more years, so they will only get better. The optimist in me is waiting for a Lift 35 with at least a timing adjustment feature added in. If that ends up happening, it would be a near guarantee that I would buy my first Mathews.
When I bought my switch back, less than 30 days later they came out with the Switchback XT, so I wasn't going to make that mistake this year by purchasing the LIFT in September, been waiting for this release, WOW, back ordered into March well goodness, patience is part of bow hunting I guess it applies to purchasing a new bow as well hahaha. Thanks for what you do brother. Dale
Appreciate the respect for comments, however nothing but admiration for the way you analyse bows on your platform . Going to order the X33, was toying with the title... Like the idea of... dead in the hand feel. Keep the Vlogs coming, and best of luck with the new store ✌️
Serious fanboy in the house!! Seriously though, 1/4” draw length adjustments are not available on mods that are very inaccurate resulting in a collection of $80 mods on your bench. Secondly, holding weight should be adjustable on the mod rather than mod specific, also resulting in a bigger collection of $80 mods. All bows feel different and Mathews mod system makes finding that sweet spot very difficult and expensive. Hoyt’s 1” draw length range on a mod with 1/4” adjustments is better. I assume Mathews didn’t do something similar because their current mods fit on all bows.
Not to mention that they removed the 34.75" Atlas that was designed to long draws up to 34" and replaced it with the Lift 33 XD, which with 2" less axle to axle will have terrible string angles to anyone above 30" DL...
Imagine spending 2000 dollars on a carbon Hoyt to complain about a 1500 dollar bow that if you know what you want comes pre set up and if you wanna change it you get an 80 dollar cam for again what you want bringing your total to 1580 a whole 420 dollars less then a hoyt flagship with the same weight couldn’t be me yo
Bought a lift 33 and the limbs were the best matched of any bow I have owned. Tuned at 13/16 with no adjustments. Bareshaft perfect bullet hole at 21 feet. Not sure about side force on the limb...sit back and watch I guess. Have a darton on order 80# limbs...wondering how long the wait will be.
Man, I might need to finally give up my VXR. Don't think I'd buy a Lift X, but I'd buy the Lift 33, that was a great shooting bow! Thanks for your fast posts @mfjj! I love this time of year! Fun to see all the new bows!
@@hunthealthy1018 no problem. I don't as well. Just throwing it out there lol. And I think the new LIFT X is about similar in price to last year's LIFT. Pretty awesome to see you can adjust the bow without swapping tophats now.
@@WendellAbigania Yeah for sure, that is a big selling point for a lot of folks. I don't tune my own bow, I have my local shop boys do that. This is my favorite time, if I do have the inclination to buy a new bow, I won't have to pay full price for last year's models. 🤷♂️😊
@@hunthealthy1018 That's awesome you got a solid local pro shop nearby. I have a good shop here but he's a one man band and can get really busy. So I just do my tinkering at home. Spent some good money to get the tools, but it's well worth it.
I wish these companies would finally give us something completely new. Darton tried to really innovate and these guys slapped a new feature on the exact same bow.
So kill a model you could improve, just to say you have a new model and charge more? Sounds like a way to increase your cost(new riser design=reprograming cnc, redesign, analysis, etc), hence reducing your profits, just to trick your customers that this new bow has better limbs and axle tuning feature.
@kenn1320 negative. Messages are bad at expressing any kind of emotion. The bow is killer, no doubt. I just love seeing real true innovation. I love seeing completely new renditions and now innovation.
Mathews did the complete renovation last year right after the Phase 4 renovation. That’s a lot of expense to do. Tweeking this year, I’ll give that one to them.
@@josephfolsom2030I agree. Completely new design last year, I’ll give them a couple years of improvements or changes until I expect a new redesign to drop.
Also he gave same speed rating on rx9 as the lift 29. The 29 shot 333. 15fps short. The rx9 shot 339 3 fps short. I guess I’m not sure I understand your test process.
Great review. I was thinking this may be the year I upgraded, but the more I thought about it, the more I'll probably wait. I actually wish Matthews developed a timing adjuster and waited on the cam timing instead of the opposite. If my bow has bad timing, it shoots like garbage and I have only one option - go to the shop/buy a press and then it still isn't perfectly timed as it seems I always need a 1/4 twist. For cam adjustment, I always have the option to move the rest/loop. Sure, you lose efficiency and it isn't the best option, but it is an option that will result in bullet holes and good flying broadheads. It seems like the industry norm will be adjustment of the cam and timing off press for at least flagship bows in the very near future and if you don't buy bows often it's likely worth the wait if I want a Matthews or buy the Darton.
I like how Mathews said they tested them limbs for a year or two in the field before the LIFT was released.... clearly didnt test to much as they broke within 12 months.
I would guess less than 5% of lifts sold had limb issues based off of what I've seen at my local shops. And then they went above and beyond to fix it...
@EvanRoshad less than 5% 😮. 1 out of 20 is something to be proud about in the first year much less 3-5 years down the road what is the percentage gonna be?
In your tests the Darton was the quietest bow I'm pretty sure, not Mathews. Darton was 75db I believe and Mathews 79db. Just wanted to point it out since I kept hearing how Mathews is the quietest bow. Darton should get more love as they're developing and innovating so well lately, of course that's just my opinion. Wanted to give them a shout out. Glad to see you gave them an overall score of 70.
Lovely looking bow. If I could only choose one feature I think I still prefer Hoyts 1/4” adjustable draw and let off module over this limb tuning system. I own a press, so switching a spacer isn’t a big deal and it won’t move like a screw or bolt can over time.
Hoyt, Bowtech and PSE would get a lot of hate too if they were at the top, but they are not.😂 Everyone is a favorite bow, just go shoot it and have fun!
I believe the evaluation is spot on. Matthews won me as a fan when they had minor limb issues last year and backed the bows with a life time transferable warranty.
Unfortunately your Mathews review cannot be trusted. Your comments a few weeks ago regarding the limb issue still annoys me, your stated that there was not an issue above the normal warranty percentages when almost the next day Mathews dropped their statement. I’d rather watch someone like Steven hann from archery supplies. At least he gives an honest review knowing full well that it might hinder his contract with each manufacturer.
Sweet. I just got the lift 29 3 months ago. Should have waited. lol. Want to work towards doing all my own bow tuning. I’ll have to just get a press someday. Maybe.The wife would kill me if I tried to upgrade to the new lift X. I’m really happy with my 2024 lift.
I’m assuming the limb adjustment only moves the cam side of the limb I wonder what that added stress will do to the limb’s longevity since it’s adding a bit of a twist to the limb. For that reason at this point I still feel like the bowtech system will be better but time will tell if it has any negative effects on the limbs but it’s still too early. Plus I’m sure they tested this before they put it out on the market… but I’m glad more companies are making it easier to tune their bows
@kylemacdonell1450 yeah,felt just like the lift,don't know why I was expecting a difference,same cam! The new Hoyt Ultra felt good and so did the new PSE 33,but I'm waiting on my shop to get the new Dartons in. It'll be between the new Ultra or Sequel.
Good review. You should create a master google spreadsheet with all the bows/specs/ratings like the Lusk broadhead guy does. That way, we can weigh the criteria how we want, and you can update your ratings in a centralized location.
Tuning score: ? Customer still has to buy mods to change draw, have to buy mod to change let off, buy mod to change weight, have to remove cam to change strings.....that is a minus !
You have to buy limbs to change the weight as drastically as you can a mathews with mods. $60 vs $250. Why do you need to change any of that after you buy the bow anyways?
He is in love😂 more features than Hoyt ? Didn’t Hoyt sticks and mounting system come out before Mathew’s integrated sight , and Hoyt side bar system is way better.. confused on he’s point there
I will say the lift looks WAYYY better than the hoyt aluminum the last 2 years.. Then vtm looked good and they totally lost me with the riser of the alpha..
@@nickdumas7873 If you believe in having everything “in line” Mathews definitely owns that game. There may not be a big difference between a bridgelock mount and a pic mount but the bridgelock stabilizers is a huge win for Mathews when it comes to integration vs Hoyt. I personally don’t think it makes a difference (and you’re paying a premium for that technology) but if you’re too lazy to unscrew your stabs vs sliding them back when putting them in your bow case, then that’s an advantage. I really wish Hoyt came out with some tunability options this year. I was 100% going to buy a Hoyt this year if they came out with that tech, but it looks like I’m waiting until 2026.
I love innovation, but I think there is a hidden self-destruct button built into allowing the general public to tune their bows. Not intended for the choir, there is a lot more to tuning than moving a cam. Also, I am a fan of what you do on the top you should do to the bottom. Correct me if I am wrong, but I can only think of 2 companies that have an upper and lower adjustment.
It would seem to me that in measuring the "load out" point, it would be more accurate to measure to the point where the string changes direction on the cam, vs where the string touches the cam. For this particular bow that would appear to be at least an inch more than you are measuring.
@@WendellAbigania most people just have their bowshop do it anyways haha but for people who do UA-cam or are big on tinkering I’d say it’s a good upgrade.
I would love to see a comparison of flagship bows from a decade ago... compared to 2024/5 bows. Im from Aus, (getting left hand flagship is near impossible to try before you buy. But i purchased a 2012 Bear Anarchy 35 ata that cost me $1200 kitted out back then. Owned a couple of other brands and now my pick of the newer is the old V3x 33. Which cost me 4k kitted out... Ive tried emailing Bear to find me some new limbs shipped here for a decent price as its the best bow ive had that just seemed to work for me. Id be shooting it still but Bear never got back to me. If anyone can help me getting it sorted id much appreciate it. What im also trying to say is ignore every bit of maketing, try everything before you commit. The Anarchy is all over the V3X for me in alot of ways, it just worked
I believe paper tune first from initial setup (new rest, loop). If tears are big, swap top hats first to get a bullet hole. If you have a bullet hole with a very small tear, then micro adjust using the new tuning feature on the limbs. Then you broadhead tune. Move your rest to get your Broadhead to follow your field point. These adjustments should be very small/micro adjustments. Good luck! 🤙🏽
Bowtech - Mathews is like Samsung - Apple. Samsung innovates new tech and brings it to market, Apple copies it a year+ later and all of a sudden its the best.
I have my local pro shop that is amazing. The only problem is the local shop that sells Hoyt, Matthews, and Bowtech is not that shop. They are the arrogant shop that refuse to do things like soft knots because “it will cause nock pinch so we don’t do it”. Spent around $3,500 there and salesman doesn’t even get off his ass to help me when I go in to get a quiver. I have to find it on my own and go the register and he just says “what’s up dude”
This new tuning feature is awesome! I do have a question about it though, and maybe you don't have the answer yet. When changing strings and cables, are you still pulling the axel to change the yokes, and if so, how big of a pain is it with this he drive system?
The Matthews fanboy is strong with this one. Still need a bow press for timing, and durability in field is an open question. Otherwise it’s just grips and fixing limbs that exploded last year. Significantly (5+) slower than Hoyt ultra, and harder draw. Meh.
I always hear about the 5lb mods, to get maximum efficiency, but how far can you wind it down on the limb bolts? ie does a 70lb bow go down to 60 if you wanted it to? Reason I ask is because I will normally shoot 57, 58 lb, but on an upcoming hunt I think I'll need to try 65lb. can I use the 1 mod, or do I need 2? cheers
You may have answered this in a previous video but I can't recall but... Are there any special adaptors required to press the lift series of bows in the LCA EZ presses? With those limbs being so far past parallel, it makes me wonder. I'm still shooting the Halon 32 but after this drop, I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade.
Have the same question - seems like an easier/cheaper way to get the new Lift X technology without buying a complete new bow - just changing out the limbs.
@@Bowhunter82 i get that they are different limbs. if you replaced the limbs i am curious if it would fit in the lift limb pockets and if so, if you;d also need to replace the cams.
@@williamlaubernds4243 we are thinking the same thing here / have same question. I have Lift 33 and wonder if I can just order the new Limb Shift Tech limbs on the Lift X and drop them in my “original” 2024 Lift 33?
I noticed last year on the Lift 33 video review you measured the reflex and said it was 1 and a half inches. I went back and watched to be sure. This year on the Lift X 33 you measured reflex and said it is an inch and 3/4. Are they truly different on the 33 from last year to this year or was there a mis measurement last year or this year.
For everyone saying he is a fanboy just 2 years ago he was promoting bowtech. I remember the year I bought my v3x he was shooting a bowtech. Now he might be getting a bag from Mathew’s to promote their bow but typically he scores them fairly.
I have one request if possible. When Josh says he has 300 bows on order I wonder how many are left handed. Could that be part of the review? Thank you.
Question, considering a Darton I currently shoot 60 pounds but would like to move up to 65 pounds, If I shoot a 70 pound bow at 65 pounds, Is there a downside in terms of vibration noise or cam rollover? I’ve always been told that you should shoot a bow at its highest maximum draw weight. Does that hold true with today’s new flagship bows?
When you were so critical of tuning systems on the early bow reviews this year, I knew Mathews had fix their top hats. You’ve always voiced it but the really low scores gave it away.
I get 332.2 using the six numbers he showed. It looks like he does these in his head by using the top chrono and dropping the fastest and slowest and using the bottom to confirm it's about the same. I agree if you are going to state an average speed it should be the mathematical average speed. Same with weight, weigh it out of the box and go with that.
Question, I see tophats are still on the inside of these cams-- Does it require tophat adjustments if cam lean cannot be taken out with the new tuning system? I'd assume yes, but figured I'd ask to anyone who knows better.
My understanding is there are no tophats. The cam is fixed to one limb and adjustable distance to the other. This system seems to have an advantage of some of the others as it can travel farther not requiring tophats or shims at all. No reason to press it for cam adjustments. Unfortunately you still need to press it for timing, so I'm not sure it's that great of an advantage.
Problem with just giving a rating on overall speed and overall weight is this test will always favor a short ata bow because it’s easier to make them lighter and easier to make them faster. Same bows in different ata the short one always will get a higher number.
Nobody talks about the cam creep on the Matthews lift. They are super “jumpy” at full draw. I have a 29.5 and love it - have learned to live with it - but it’s easily the thing I dislike the most about it. Hard to relax at full draw (after taking some length off my draw length as well).
It Took me 2½ years to afford a Mathews . But I finally got a Phase4 29 few days ago n .My only Gripe so far is the Fact I'll never be able to afford the Bridgelock Stabilizers for it.
Don’t worry, they are super overrated and overpriced anyways. They literally do nothing that much cheaper stabilizers don’t do, and in most cases the cheaper ones work better.
@@theone9328 yeah I know . But i wanna do something different later on anyway because I've got the trophy ridge hitman kit right now and the back bar bracket just has way too much going on with it and the way it mounts its awkward .
@huntsimple9527 the More I think about Mathews in general the more I'm worried about buying one from them because I feel like they're kinda becoming the type of company that makes their stuff around Expecting you to buy a new one every year and it took me 2½ years to get this 1 .. so I need this bow to last me a really long time . But I guess we will see .
Yeah like you just said it's different but it's similar you know BowTech is kind of the Revolutionary when it comes to archery tuning aspects when it comes to a bow and arrow in my personal opinion I love their bows and that's what I shoot but I do have several different name brands I mean I bought the vxr when it first come out
Every time he reviews anything from Matthew’s I make a bowl of popcorn and read the comments. It’s like reading a comedy/drama novel, love it
Most intriguing bow review I’ve seen so far is the Darton.
I'm sure it will be easier to come by than this bow.
The Lift and Lift X are the first Mathews that I have had serious consideration in. I am a Bowtech guy and Mathews isn't even the #2 brand for me, but the Lift platform is very impressive. As much as I would like to try the X, I believe this is a platform they will continue to build upon for a few more years, so they will only get better. The optimist in me is waiting for a Lift 35 with at least a timing adjustment feature added in. If that ends up happening, it would be a near guarantee that I would buy my first Mathews.
When I bought my switch back, less than 30 days later they came out with the Switchback XT, so I wasn't going to make that mistake this year by purchasing the LIFT in September, been waiting for this release, WOW, back ordered into March well goodness, patience is part of bow hunting I guess it applies to purchasing a new bow as well hahaha. Thanks for what you do brother.
Dale
Appreciate the respect for comments, however nothing but admiration for the way you analyse bows on your platform
. Going to order the X33, was toying with the title... Like the idea of... dead in the hand feel.
Keep the Vlogs coming, and best of luck with the new store ✌️
I cannot wait to go check this out at my shop. I love the new tuning feature. I do all my own work at home so this makes life alot easier
Why no draw length measurement? Especially when you mark down points for a 1/4" difference. Love the channel and your content btw.
Best comprehensive non-biased review in the industry. Thanks for all the work.
lol- non-biased
@@fastcamoyou speak like one of those white dudes for Kamala voters. SAD
hahahahahahahahaha - I'm assuming you don't know what bias actually means, or are just incapable of detecting it
That's a cool bow thanks for sharing
Serious fanboy in the house!! Seriously though, 1/4” draw length adjustments are not available on mods that are very inaccurate resulting in a collection of $80 mods on your bench. Secondly, holding weight should be adjustable on the mod rather than mod specific, also resulting in a bigger collection of $80 mods. All bows feel different and Mathews mod system makes finding that sweet spot very difficult and expensive. Hoyt’s 1” draw length range on a mod with 1/4” adjustments is better. I assume Mathews didn’t do something similar because their current mods fit on all bows.
Not to mention that they removed the 34.75" Atlas that was designed to long draws up to 34" and replaced it with the Lift 33 XD, which with 2" less axle to axle will have terrible string angles to anyone above 30" DL...
@@Buran01 That was my thought too. That's something I'm going to explore when I get time to review the XD.
Well then go buy a Hoyt duh buy what you want dummy he’s not telling you to buy it it’s a review
Imagine spending 2000 dollars on a carbon Hoyt to complain about a 1500 dollar bow that if you know what you want comes pre set up and if you wanna change it you get an 80 dollar cam for again what you want bringing your total to 1580 a whole 420 dollars less then a hoyt flagship with the same weight couldn’t be me yo
@ wow grammar 😳
My view of Mathews completely changed when Matt McPherson said the lift will have transferable warranties.
(Really shows he means quality. )
Good bow!
For one bow line? Just because they almost had a catastrophe. Not until then. You just keep drinking it. They'll keep selling it.
The rx9 ultra was within 6 fps of ibo. The Mathews was actually 11 off. You said 10 (shocker) and the both got the same score on speed. lol. Cmon
This is his opinion...😒 😂 So, it's not fact, it's opinion, which means he can give what score he wants. You like Hoyt, go buy a Hoyt. 🤷♂️
No, testing is not "opinion". Testing is to follow test specification
An opinion for the speed
@@hunthealthy1018😅😅😅😅😅
Don’t watch
I’m obsessed with archery to fly out and to buy a bow and get it tuned by mfjj would be an absolute blast!!
I'm not too mad I bought a lift 33 in January of this year based on this. Still some cool upgrades though.
Bought a lift 33 and the limbs were the best matched of any bow I have owned. Tuned at 13/16 with no adjustments. Bareshaft perfect bullet hole at 21 feet. Not sure about side force on the limb...sit back and watch I guess. Have a darton on order 80# limbs...wondering how long the wait will be.
Darton had the most accurate speed you’ve tested thus far
Yes but look on dartons website how they label the speed. The speed is listed for different settings on the site. No one else does that.
Just picked up the consequence 2 at Lancaster last month, love it
Ill be picking up one of the new Darton 35 and using my mathews as a back up
Not anymore. Bowtech was literally exactly on and faster on some readings.
Man, I might need to finally give up my VXR. Don't think I'd buy a Lift X, but I'd buy the Lift 33, that was a great shooting bow! Thanks for your fast posts @mfjj! I love this time of year! Fun to see all the new bows!
I can sell you my LIFT 33 lol
@@WendellAbigania I don't buy used bows. Nothing against you, just my preference.
@@hunthealthy1018 no problem. I don't as well. Just throwing it out there lol. And I think the new LIFT X is about similar in price to last year's LIFT. Pretty awesome to see you can adjust the bow without swapping tophats now.
@@WendellAbigania Yeah for sure, that is a big selling point for a lot of folks. I don't tune my own bow, I have my local shop boys do that. This is my favorite time, if I do have the inclination to buy a new bow, I won't have to pay full price for last year's models. 🤷♂️😊
@@hunthealthy1018 That's awesome you got a solid local pro shop nearby. I have a good shop here but he's a one man band and can get really busy. So I just do my tinkering at home. Spent some good money to get the tools, but it's well worth it.
I wish these companies would finally give us something completely new. Darton tried to really innovate and these guys slapped a new feature on the exact same bow.
So kill a model you could improve, just to say you have a new model and charge more? Sounds like a way to increase your cost(new riser design=reprograming cnc, redesign, analysis, etc), hence reducing your profits, just to trick your customers that this new bow has better limbs and axle tuning feature.
@kenn1320 negative. Messages are bad at expressing any kind of emotion. The bow is killer, no doubt. I just love seeing real true innovation. I love seeing completely new renditions and now innovation.
Mathews did the complete renovation last year right after the Phase 4 renovation. That’s a lot of expense to do. Tweeking this year, I’ll give that one to them.
@@josephfolsom2030I agree. Completely new design last year, I’ll give them a couple years of improvements or changes until I expect a new redesign to drop.
Prime is where you want to look for that in 2025. It's the ugliest bow ever but that what your wanting as in all new
Also he gave same speed rating on rx9 as the lift 29. The 29 shot 333. 15fps short. The rx9 shot 339 3 fps short. I guess I’m not sure I understand your test process.
He was rating the actual speed, the honesty score is if it goes as fast as they say. He has brackets for the actual measured speed.
Crybaby so what !!!!!!!!🤣😜go 😭
Anyone get the feeling that MFJJ is a Mathews fanboy?
They may have bought him
@@paulheberling2750don’t need to buy him, if it is his top selling product it buys itself.
I love giving Josh a hard time but he’s really been bragging up the Hoyt the last week. I think he just gets excited about new bows
They sent him on a free hunt last year. Of course he’s biased
he shoots a bowtech i think
Love his Mathews math
Great review. I was thinking this may be the year I upgraded, but the more I thought about it, the more I'll probably wait. I actually wish Matthews developed a timing adjuster and waited on the cam timing instead of the opposite. If my bow has bad timing, it shoots like garbage and I have only one option - go to the shop/buy a press and then it still isn't perfectly timed as it seems I always need a 1/4 twist. For cam adjustment, I always have the option to move the rest/loop. Sure, you lose efficiency and it isn't the best option, but it is an option that will result in bullet holes and good flying broadheads. It seems like the industry norm will be adjustment of the cam and timing off press for at least flagship bows in the very near future and if you don't buy bows often it's likely worth the wait if I want a Matthews or buy the Darton.
I like how Mathews said they tested them limbs for a year or two in the field before the LIFT was released.... clearly didnt test to much as they broke within 12 months.
I have a phase 4 and my limbs have not broken, maybe I’m a golden child or maybe the limb issue wasn’t a big a deal as one would “imagine”
@josephfolsom2030 completely different limb design.......
I would guess less than 5% of lifts sold had limb issues based off of what I've seen at my local shops. And then they went above and beyond to fix it...
@EvanRoshad less than 5% 😮. 1 out of 20 is something to be proud about in the first year much less 3-5 years down the road what is the percentage gonna be?
i love how you shitheads pretend an issue that affected less than 1% of all bows is just the norm. Sincerely kick rocks.
Didn’t see the DL measurement. Or did I miss it?
In your tests the Darton was the quietest bow I'm pretty sure, not Mathews. Darton was 75db I believe and Mathews 79db. Just wanted to point it out since I kept hearing how Mathews is the quietest bow. Darton should get more love as they're developing and innovating so well lately, of course that's just my opinion. Wanted to give them a shout out. Glad to see you gave them an overall score of 70.
Lovely looking bow. If I could only choose one feature I think I still prefer Hoyts 1/4” adjustable draw and let off module over this limb tuning system. I own a press, so switching a spacer isn’t a big deal and it won’t move like a screw or bolt can over time.
Hoyt, Bowtech and PSE would get a lot of hate too if they were at the top, but they are not.😂 Everyone is a favorite bow, just go shoot it and have fun!
I believe the evaluation is spot on. Matthews won me as a fan when they had minor limb issues last year and backed the bows with a life time transferable warranty.
Looking forward to the Mathews Lift XD review!
Unfortunately your Mathews review cannot be trusted. Your comments a few weeks ago regarding the limb issue still annoys me, your stated that there was not an issue above the normal warranty percentages when almost the next day Mathews dropped their statement. I’d rather watch someone like Steven hann from archery supplies. At least he gives an honest review knowing full well that it might hinder his contract with each manufacturer.
AS has also his own set of biases, but is fun having different view points...
then why are you still here? unsub and never turn back
@ he does review other manufacturers, not just mathews
@@theweekendarcher2056 Indeed but if he cant be trusted on one review then why would you trust him on any review?
@ he pushes Mathews more than most as I could
Only assume their would be repercussions for his business if otherwise.
Sweet. I just got the lift 29 3 months ago. Should have waited. lol. Want to work towards doing all my own bow tuning. I’ll have to just get a press someday. Maybe.The wife would kill me if I tried to upgrade to the new lift X. I’m really happy with my 2024 lift.
😂😂 that happened to me last year after I bought a pse. 4 months later the lift and Hoyt’s came out. Tested them and wished I would have waited
One thing too, with the SAS it is trully the only bow that you don't need a bow press. That s awesome IMO
no, it's not. APA did it first, like 15 years ago lol
@gageb03 Yes you're right, APA also does it. I'll give it to you.
Missed the draw length test? Are they running a bit longer or a hit shorter than advertised?
I’m assuming the limb adjustment only moves the cam side of the limb I wonder what that added stress will do to the limb’s longevity since it’s adding a bit of a twist to the limb. For that reason at this point I still feel like the bowtech system will be better but time will tell if it has any negative effects on the limbs but it’s still too early. Plus I’m sure they tested this before they put it out on the market… but I’m glad more companies are making it easier to tune their bows
I like the reviews. But no need in doing numbers system if you just right down whatever you want for your favorite bow.
Good review, I don't like the fact we never saw you draw the bow.. What was draw cycle like ?
Same as their shitty draw cycle from last year
it's a Mathews so I'm sure it feels 10 pounds heavier than anything else at the same settings.
@@Fletchedchaos75 Was it shitty ???
@kylemacdonell1450 yeah,felt just like the lift,don't know why I was expecting a difference,same cam! The new Hoyt Ultra felt good and so did the new PSE 33,but I'm waiting on my shop to get the new Dartons in. It'll be between the new Ultra or Sequel.
Good review. You should create a master google spreadsheet with all the bows/specs/ratings like the Lusk broadhead guy does. That way, we can weigh the criteria how we want, and you can update your ratings in a centralized location.
Maybe I misunderstood what Josh is saying but you can use the Hamskea Epsilon on the LIFT X
Tuning score: ?
Customer still has to buy mods to change draw, have to buy mod to change let off, buy mod to change weight, have to remove cam to change strings.....that is a minus !
You have to buy limbs to change the weight as drastically as you can a mathews with mods. $60 vs $250. Why do you need to change any of that after you buy the bow anyways?
mathews haters can fuck off. you have no reason to speak
You buy 1 set of mods to do all that
@@derekpatterson7416 theres no other mods that can change draw weight...
He is in love😂 more features than Hoyt ? Didn’t Hoyt sticks and mounting system come out before Mathew’s integrated sight , and Hoyt side bar system is way better.. confused on he’s point there
Probably Mathews having the shot technology thing in the grip, the tuning capability, about the only thing they have over Hoyt
I hear ya, but he said integrations, which Hoyt has had before mathews, they both are great bows .
I will say the lift looks WAYYY better than the hoyt aluminum the last 2 years.. Then vtm looked good and they totally lost me with the riser of the alpha..
@@nickdumas7873 If you believe in having everything “in line” Mathews definitely owns that game. There may not be a big difference between a bridgelock mount and a pic mount but the bridgelock stabilizers is a huge win for Mathews when it comes to integration vs Hoyt. I personally don’t think it makes a difference (and you’re paying a premium for that technology) but if you’re too lazy to unscrew your stabs vs sliding them back when putting them in your bow case, then that’s an advantage. I really wish Hoyt came out with some tunability options this year. I was 100% going to buy a Hoyt this year if they came out with that tech, but it looks like I’m waiting until 2026.
I love innovation, but I think there is a hidden self-destruct button built into allowing the general public to tune their bows. Not intended for the choir, there is a lot more to tuning than moving a cam. Also, I am a fan of what you do on the top you should do to the bottom. Correct me if I am wrong, but I can only think of 2 companies that have an upper and lower adjustment.
Ready to see the review on the Lift XD
It would seem to me that in measuring the "load out" point, it would be more accurate to measure to the point where the string changes direction on the cam, vs where the string touches the cam. For this particular bow that would appear to be at least an inch more than you are measuring.
Would it be possible to install the limb shift assembly onto the previous 2024 lift? Love your content from New Zealand.
Recap for everyone: Same bow as last year just with just some tune ability and a different grip.
Are those the same cams? I know the mods are the same but the cams look bigger.
Limb shift looks bad ass.
New limb aswell
Thanks for the view
If you’re not worried about tuning. No need to upgrade. But this is awesome from Mathews
@@WendellAbigania most people just have their bowshop do it anyways haha but for people who do UA-cam or are big on tinkering I’d say it’s a good upgrade.
I would love to see a comparison of flagship bows from a decade ago... compared to 2024/5 bows.
Im from Aus, (getting left hand flagship is near impossible to try before you buy. But i purchased a 2012 Bear Anarchy 35 ata that cost me $1200 kitted out back then.
Owned a couple of other brands and now my pick of the newer is the old V3x 33.
Which cost me 4k kitted out...
Ive tried emailing Bear to find me some new limbs shipped here for a decent price as its the best bow ive had that just seemed to work for me. Id be shooting it still but Bear never got back to me.
If anyone can help me getting it sorted id much appreciate it.
What im also trying to say is ignore every bit of maketing, try everything before you commit.
The Anarchy is all over the V3X for me in alot of ways, it just worked
Please do a video showing how to tune a field point and broadhead at the range using this bow.
I believe paper tune first from initial setup (new rest, loop). If tears are big, swap top hats first to get a bullet hole. If you have a bullet hole with a very small tear, then micro adjust using the new tuning feature on the limbs.
Then you broadhead tune. Move your rest to get your Broadhead to follow your field point. These adjustments should be very small/micro adjustments. Good luck! 🤙🏽
It's the same steps as with any other bow.
Bowtech - Mathews is like Samsung - Apple. Samsung innovates new tech and brings it to market, Apple copies it a year+ later and all of a sudden its the best.
Apple make it work properly though, so great point.
I have my local pro shop that is amazing. The only problem is the local shop that sells Hoyt, Matthews, and Bowtech is not that shop. They are the arrogant shop that refuse to do things like soft knots because “it will cause nock pinch so we don’t do it”. Spent around $3,500 there and salesman doesn’t even get off his ass to help me when I go in to get a quiver. I have to find it on my own and go the register and he just says “what’s up dude”
Great video as always!
This new tuning feature is awesome! I do have a question about it though, and maybe you don't have the answer yet. When changing strings and cables, are you still pulling the axel to change the yokes, and if so, how big of a pain is it with this he drive system?
just curious if your planning on testing the pse mach 35?
Won’t they add a cam sync next year to keep up with competitors?
Love the VIdeo, keep up the good work and the sense of humor.
We get it, Mathews sends you on free hunts and makes you lots of money and you love them unconditionally.
Wasn’t the Darton Sequel XT squared quieter?
The Matthews fanboy is strong with this one.
Still need a bow press for timing, and durability in field is an open question. Otherwise it’s just grips and fixing limbs that exploded last year. Significantly (5+) slower than Hoyt ultra, and harder draw. Meh.
Agreed. This bow will shoot EXACTLY like last year's LIFT. Zero difference in shooting experience.
Just shot the lift x 29.5 and alpha x2 29.5 that Hoyt pulled wayyyyy harder man go shoot them I couldn’t believe it
actually if you have the SAS system you can twist your cables up to adjust timing while in the field.
I agree, wish they would have tackled timing first, or obviously both.
Must have missed the draw length portion of the video.
Pretty obvious FYI but the bow industry has hit a wall ,the early 2000’s - 2016-18 was a fun era.
Best comment on here. Nothing wrong with buying a new bow, but they are not going to change the overall shooting experience.
What is the rough lead time on custom orders on the Lift X 33?
I always hear about the 5lb mods, to get maximum efficiency, but how far can you wind it down on the limb bolts? ie does a 70lb bow go down to 60 if you wanted it to?
Reason I ask is because I will normally shoot 57, 58 lb, but on an upcoming hunt I think I'll need to try 65lb. can I use the 1 mod, or do I need 2? cheers
You may have answered this in a previous video but I can't recall but... Are there any special adaptors required to press the lift series of bows in the LCA EZ presses? With those limbs being so far past parallel, it makes me wonder. I'm still shooting the Halon 32 but after this drop, I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade.
So can the new “limb shift technology” replace the existing system on the original lifts?
Have the same question - seems like an easier/cheaper way to get the new Lift X technology without buying a complete new bow - just changing out the limbs.
@TreyScarcello it will not these are different limbs
@@Bowhunter82 i get that they are different limbs. if you replaced the limbs i am curious if it would fit in the lift limb pockets and if so, if you;d also need to replace the cams.
@@williamlaubernds4243 we are thinking the same thing here / have same question. I have Lift 33 and wonder if I can just order the new Limb Shift Tech limbs on the Lift X and drop them in my “original” 2024 Lift 33?
@@Bowhunter82 see clarification below on question.
Do you just adjust the top limb?Or is adjustment on top and bottom limb?
Well done Mohawk man
i have a phase 4 , 60 lb , did i understand you , i can order up a 55 lb mod that now fits my bow
Seems like there was quite the variance in speeds. Like 8fps at times 🤔
I noticed last year on the Lift 33 video review you measured the reflex and said it was 1 and a half inches. I went back and watched to be sure. This year on the Lift X 33 you measured reflex and said it is an inch and 3/4. Are they truly different on the 33 from last year to this year or was there a mis measurement last year or this year.
Has anyone tested which way the bow spins the arrow naturally? Does it differ for a lefty?
So can I just slap the lift X limbs on my lift and have the new tuning system?
MFJJ might be a stupid question but since they didn’t drill out for a hamskea will there be a figment issue with this rest? Thanks
What about limb issues? Been a Mathews guy on and off for 2 decades. Warranty is great- it’s less than useless when limbs blow up on a hunt
Great review. Take my money!
For everyone saying he is a fanboy just 2 years ago he was promoting bowtech. I remember the year I bought my v3x he was shooting a bowtech. Now he might be getting a bag from Mathew’s to promote their bow but typically he scores them fairly.
I have one request if possible. When Josh says he has 300 bows on order I wonder how many are left handed. Could that be part of the review? Thank you.
My local shop had Hoyt outsell Mathews 4:1 last year. I guess it is regional what the preferences are.
Draw length measurement??
Looks like a nice offering from Matthews
Question, considering a Darton I currently shoot 60 pounds but would like to move up to 65 pounds, If I shoot a 70 pound bow at 65 pounds, Is there a downside in terms of vibration noise or cam rollover? I’ve always been told that you should shoot a bow at its highest maximum draw weight. Does that hold true with today’s new flagship bows?
When you were so critical of tuning systems on the early bow reviews this year, I knew Mathews had fix their top hats. You’ve always voiced it but the really low scores gave it away.
Why didn’t you hoot the other bows at 80%??
Did I miss it or did he not verify draw length?
Actually was a 331 fps average,but its Mathews,so they get a pass😂😂😂
I get 332.2 using the six numbers he showed. It looks like he does these in his head by using the top chrono and dropping the fastest and slowest and using the bottom to confirm it's about the same. I agree if you are going to state an average speed it should be the mathematical average speed. Same with weight, weigh it out of the box and go with that.
So mathews starts doing what everyone else has been doing for years and it's the best. Ok sure makes sense.
Question, I see tophats are still on the inside of these cams-- Does it require tophat adjustments if cam lean cannot be taken out with the new tuning system? I'd assume yes, but figured I'd ask to anyone who knows better.
My understanding is there are no tophats. The cam is fixed to one limb and adjustable distance to the other. This system seems to have an advantage of some of the others as it can travel farther not requiring tophats or shims at all. No reason to press it for cam adjustments. Unfortunately you still need to press it for timing, so I'm not sure it's that great of an advantage.
Why are we not showing the draw cycle
Are parts cross compatible to an extent?
How are you changing string and cables with the "slaved" cam to limb?
You'd have to pull the axle like last year.
So I might be confused about the Mods if I have a LIFT 33 does that mean I can use the XD mods on my current lift to get a more draw length?
How ‘bout giving us a Martin Archery Ultramag Firecat M3? Supposed to be IBS around 360 at 70lb draw weight..
Problem with just giving a rating on overall speed and overall weight is this test will always favor a short ata bow because it’s easier to make them lighter and easier to make them faster. Same bows in different ata the short one always will get a higher number.
New Hoyts seems faster overall from your tests so far. That AX2 32 🔥! Great job as always and appreciate all the info
Have you ever tested the sound difference between the different weights of arrows
Will you be doing the review of the lift XD?
Can't you use the S.A.S for timing?
Draw length measurements? Are they Still 1/4" long on draw length?
I just want to know what camo that is on the bow
Nobody talks about the cam creep on the Matthews lift. They are super “jumpy” at full draw. I have a 29.5 and love it - have learned to live with it - but it’s easily the thing I dislike the most about it. Hard to relax at full draw (after taking some length off my draw length as well).
What rest are you using?
It Took me 2½ years to afford a Mathews . But I finally got a Phase4 29 few days ago n .My only Gripe so far is the Fact I'll never be able to afford the Bridgelock Stabilizers for it.
Look up Quattro stabilizers I sold my bridge lock to get them
Don’t worry, they are super overrated and overpriced anyways. They literally do nothing that much cheaper stabilizers don’t do, and in most cases the cheaper ones work better.
@@theone9328 yeah I know . But i wanna do something different later on anyway because I've got the trophy ridge hitman kit right now and the back bar bracket just has way too much going on with it and the way it mounts its awkward .
Smart to get the Phase 4, it is a much better long term set up than the Lift or Lift X.
@huntsimple9527 the More I think about Mathews in general the more I'm worried about buying one from them because I feel like they're kinda becoming the type of company that makes their stuff around Expecting you to buy a new one every year and it took me 2½ years to get this 1 .. so I need this bow to last me a really long time . But I guess we will see .
Yeah like you just said it's different but it's similar you know BowTech is kind of the Revolutionary when it comes to archery tuning aspects when it comes to a bow and arrow in my personal opinion I love their bows and that's what I shoot but I do have several different name brands I mean I bought the vxr when it first come out