I got to say a lot of guys are out there, throwing giant batteries, super high-powered motors, but yours seems to be the most functional, the cleanest in the safest job. Well done.
@@jasonmanitsas2770No, You are getting a better bike and cheaper with the new E cells. I would research before getting the Wired. Especially now they can't provide proof of them being UL certified.
@@jasonmanitsas2770I would check out the new release of the E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
@@jasonmanitsas2770 I would check out the new E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
Good video. Awesome build. I rode a friend's Wired Freedom last week and decided if cops start caring about my super fast ebikes in Vegas or San Francisco, I am totally getting one. It's a big time sleeper bike & an AWD kit like yours would be the 2nd upgrade I do (after a tire upgrade).
I built my first dual monitor in 2019 during the pandemic 1000 watt motor and a 1500 watt motor for the rear but I didn’t have the display I had a Violimart throttle I like your build it looks clean 👍
I want one but I wish that it matched the power of the rear wheel hub motor so that I could just use one of the two batteries that comes with the 2024 Cruiser.
Absolutely put a kit together like that it’s already in outstanding Bike and now you just made it 10 times better please put that kit together I’ll purchase one guaranteed
Sounds like a good solution to range anxiety and for the big hills we have out west, looking to order a wired freedom in the next few months Perfect Timing for the kit!
@@CitizenCycle925 initially I have been debating between 3 bikes I live and work in rural areas doing medical aid across my country Been looking at the Fabulous Shadow Step, Wired Freedom 2024 and the Wallkie H9 the Wallkie H9 shows the most hill clming ease till this wired freedom mod now I am back to being unsure which bike to go with
I’d buy the WIRED Freedom (and sell my other e-bike) if you offered this kit. Wouldn’t even think twice. The Wired Freedom is the ultimate sleeper e-bike… and with your kit, I’ll be grinning under my helmet as I pass up all the mopeds (like I do on my Motorcycle(s). Do it! Give the people what they want. ✌️😎
I have a 24 wired cruiser and I would definitely be interested in an all in one box, plug and play kit at the mentioned price point (or less) for sure!
I just ordered a wired freedom. It’ll be my first e-bike. I cannot wait. It says late may delivery, hoping that’s just a tell-em-late-surprise-them-early date. Either way I already know I want this upgrade. Awesome build, love the thoughtful design choices.
I wanted to do something like this with my Vtuvia Antelope- turns out it was possible but it would be about 6 months of learning and execution, good job. Lacing the motor into the rim was where I checked out of my project- It's great you routed around that task
I want the recipe ...I have the bike that would be perfect for this ..... Lemme know how when and where ..... I really hope you do decide on doing this cause for us people who do not have the time to research all the needed goodies for adding a additional motor up front . I am so glad that you went the route of plug and play and make it easier for alot of people who are not too mechanically inclined ...... It is also alot cleaner when it is done right , just the way you did this one .......
yes please put AWD conversion kit together ill buy one for sure I think it will be great 1000 watt would even be goooder. Thank you for your show I dig it.
Yes, I think you should make this available Citizen. I don't personally need one, but it seems like a good niche of the market to fill since you have already researched the component sourcing and wiring harness. Plenty of Kepler riders would probably like this kit also. But I wouldn't do it without first checking with a lawyer and creating a sales agreement that protects you from liability and especially emphasizes that the kit may only be used with an RST Guide fork.
I thought I posted on here yesterday, but let me know if you want the info for a 2000w front hub custom build, 500 buck's, but comes with controller, hub with wheel and display. Easy plug and play.
Wow! Nice job; very interesting. I am going to order my Wired soon. A motor up front would only add to the fun. I can see purchasing your kit to add more power for pulling a camping trailer. That would be awesome. I would definitely consider purchasing one of your kits.
Definitely a cost saver kit. It’s a pain in the butt going the other way. I bought the Bolton Bikes (Area 13) kit and that saved bucks putting it in my Rad Mini 2018. May add to that with this but putting bucks into a new fork for my Hyper Scorpion.
fantastic video and job. i think you are underselling your price , which iam sure people will appreciate it, but you need to add in your knowledge and time spent developing this. right before you said the price i was thinking around 1500 to 1800 for the kit, when you said 800 i almost spit out my drink, my wife in the other room ask me if i was okay, lol. i would be ordering this kit the second you put it on the market, only thing i could think of , and iam sure you already planned on doing, is a video of the installation step by step, to make it easier on the installer, aka ( me ) . thank you for your videos and time spent on developing this amazing addition to the wired freedom. be safe and take care. much respect to you.
Thank you for the input!! you make some great points but i also want the price to make it very attainable for folks. And yes of course I would do a step by step install video on various bikes. :)
I was going to buy another battery anyway. I'm planning on riding the RAGBRAI, bicycle ride Across Iowa this summer and one of the days is 80 miles. So, I know I can easily do that with 2 Freedom batteries. With your KIT, I think I can get the range I want, plus all the other benefits the kit delivers... for the same price as a second Wired battery. No brainer, I'm SOLD! I'll need the kit no later than the beginning of July.
@@CitizenCycle925 thank you! I will definitely do the upgrade for the front motor then. Keep us posted. Great job on everything you do. Much appreciated!!
I believe the wired rear motor is 1500w...so it would probably be a difficult endeavor connecting the front 750w and rear 1500w motors to a single throttle. They need different signals to balance out the power. I have an AWD Grizzly.... But the motors are the same power so you can just combine the throttle signals from the controllers to one throttle. But having an AWD bike is definitely good for alot of situations.. and its probably saved my but from wiping out several times. Especially on turns when the rear tire wants to kick out but the front pulls it out of it. I just ordered the new Lyric Graffiti X but im definitely gonna keep my Grizzly for poor weather. Snow and wet roads are much better suited to an AWD bike.
Go for it!!! I’m not a prospect but lots of hunters are using two wheel drive bikes. What you might consider is selling modified bikes. Look at some of the hunting bikes, they are pricey. That might be a good market segment to cater yourself to. Work a tiered quantity deal with Wired for their green bike, do some camo mods, drive mods and go for it!
I can't tell how much I would but the kit you are talking about. I'm not sure how old this video is, I hope I'm not to late. I had a Rad Rover it had a problem they could not figure out. I replaced about everything just about 2 times. Only to have it stolen. And Im a 63 yr old man, but I don't drive . Thank God I live in a bike friendly small college town. Which helps but i would love to buy buy a kit
I appreciate all the videos, bike tests and most of all the modifications! I have an Ariel Rider Kepler and would love one of your kits. Let your Citizens know the details on the pricing and timing of availability. I want one
Great job on putting this together, just got a 2024 wire freedom, definitely would like to have the kit, please let me know when available , Definitely ready, thanks for all you do, learned a lot from your videos, keep up the good work
@CitizenCycle925 Yes, nice upgrade. The only option I would suggest is for a regenerative braking option. It would be a requirement for me as the primary reasoning for my new bike's custom build was for regenerative braking on the front hub's motor to reduce brake pad wear by 95-99%. AWD, quicker acceleration, + the ability to drive the bike home if my mid-drive motor goes out or I break a belt are all additional benefits of the front hub on my mid-drive with IGH build. I especially like how you've kept the 2nd system throttle only. Very nice system as you've designed it, but the regenerative braking option might be of interest to those who ride in alot of hilly areas or for those looking to greatly reduce brake pad wear.
My goal was to deliver the torque power of a geared hub motor to the front wheel, i dont know of any geared hubs that have a regen feature to them... I think if regen is a main concern then the direct drive motors are probably more appropriate. Thanks for the feedback! what bike did you modify?
@CitizenCycle925 I actually don't have the bike yet and must first sell my current bike then start the bike build. If your main goal was torque you definitely would succeed with a geared hub with your project. My project revolves around a mid-drive bike whose 2nd front hub motors primary reasoning was to nearly eliminate brake pad replacements while providing the additional benefits I listed above. You can do regenerative braking with geared or direct drive. If using direct drive, the freewheel must be locked or completely eliminated and there are videos on UA-cam from a company that's done alot on regenerative braking motors. I was planning on running a geared front hub but have since decided to use a direct drive hub as I'm already going to have the torque multiplication from my bikes gearing to help assist the mid-drive motor. I stayed away from saying the company's name that is very well versed in regenerative braking but if you want me to share the name I will.
i would leave battery mounting up to the customer, different bike will have different places that will be better. a 3amp charger would also be supplied in the kit, forgot to add that in the list.
Could you map both motors through the one twist throttle, but set the 750w up to cut off at say 28 or so.. so that it only helps off the line to get up to speed, automating that process and saving battery on the 750w motor side ?
I never will, was just a question I was curious about, sort of like a two speed transmission type of thing :) thanks. Good luck on your kit business. Looks neat.
I will buy your kit. As is. But I would also pay more for higher voltage controller and battery. Smooth quiet street tire mounted on the front wheel would be a bonus that I would be glad to pay for (including more $ for the best puncture protection). Forks are expensive, but a good twenty millimeter through axle strong front fork would be great. Steering damper? I will buy as-is, but I would also purchase your higher end kit.
With the new wired bike, which now has a 2nd battery, kept where you put your controller. If i purchased the updated bike and still wanted AWD , where would you put your controller? I guess you would still use the top of the rack for your battery.
Can you recommend simular handlebars that have more room for more levers brakes and mirrors, I'm going to purchase but I think I don't have enough room for my mirrors , brakes , throttle lever, 3 button wired power switch , bell, grips. and the added lever when i buy the kit, looking for longer length handlebars that are still upright simular to what it has. thanks if you can help
I have the 2023 Eahora Juliet 20-inch eBike. It is a little underpowered for my taste with a top speed of 28 mph. It has a 48-volt 1000-watt geared motor with a 60 AH battery. I have been looking into doing exactly what you have done with the Wired so I can raise that top end to at least 35 mph when I need to. I live right off of US Hwy 321 and have to travel it for at least 2 miles before I can get on a secondary road with much less traffic. Today, a large diesel truck pulling a very heavy trailer with a large machine on it moved to the center of the road to avoid me and ran an oncoming vehicle onto the shoulder of the road to avoid a head on collision. The speed limit is 55 and he was probably doing over 60. Everybody is in a hurry. I know the Wired can reach 35 with just the rear motor, so I was wondering what I would need on the front to be able to reach that speed without help from limited rear motor. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I would be glad to purchase an appropriate kit from you. The extra battery would not be a problem and would be seldom used for my purpose as I'm not in as big a hurry as the driver of that truck. Thanks, Jim
Yep will this be tailored to the particular bike we own-Magicycle Ocelot pro-for me--with video instruction for those of us not as adept at this-Reakoe
I would do an install video, but initially it would be for 26x4 wheels and your bike would need to have RST Guide forks to handle the power. 20x4 kit would be easy to create also if there was interest in that.
Resellable AWD Kit, sure...great job. You can't stop now. It's only 85% complete. It's not done till you merge the displays and front/rear selector switch like the Grizzly. One more month, then Celebrate‼️ Next project dual 45A controllers on your Grizzly ‼️ 🤜🤯🤛
When you said it needs a certain type of fork in order for it to work properly... don't know if my fork could handle the torque. Have to research on that but lets say I'm still semi-interested.
@@joeberginc7415 The wheel spin is because the center of mass is more towards the rear than normal, due to the battery on the back rack. There just isn't enough mass on the front fork to hold the wheel down. I'd be curious what would happen if the 2nd battery were mounted toward the front of the frame or even better, like a front basket to the head tube....it would have to help some.
might be interested, how much weight does it add overall? Also, If you are up for it, I'd like to see what a freedom looks like on 24 or 20in wheels, if it's possible to swap the motors?
This is super awesome! I’m Actually right now debating on buying a wired or another ebike which has dual motors in it. I’m on the fence bc I’m on the shorter side like your wife. Not sure I’d be able to comfortably ride it. If I do buy it, Id definitely be interested in a kit. I’d like to have a 20 ah battery for it though.
E-Cell at 146nm is the same bike as the wired Freedom at 138nm but much cheaper! Controller KT 60v 40A 146nm controller. Delivers 2400 watts of power while the wired Freedom motor is 2200w peak! Or buy the dual motor monarch!
I’ve seen the reviews for the ecell five star. A lot of similarities but it’s not supposed to come out until late spring early summer. No one has even test rode it yet. I actually can pick up the wired freedom and don’t have to ship it, So no shipping costs for me 🎉. Just got to pay Uncle Sam 💰. Wish I were taller 😂
How about a 60v 60v setup with the front motor just being over volted. If there is too much wheel spin just neuter it in the settings. Then fit a 15/20ah battery to the back. Then you could have beast mode and swap wheels to stocker for long range mode with a combiner🍻 using a blender with the 52v would be less desirable.
okay, i;m getting a read on the interest level. All the manufacturer needs from me is the word GO. i would set up a site for pre-orders soon if the response is good.
I did the same upgrade on my Radrover 5 bike as you did on your Citizen bike. I would also be interested in doing it to my Wired Freedom bike. I like the torque it has. How much additional weight did it add?
I would be interested in one of these kits for my Wired bike. One question I have is that the wired bike ships with a second battery already. The 2024 edition. Have you made any changes to the kit? Like where would you put the controller? Since the wired bike using that space for their second battery.
I got to say a lot of guys are out there, throwing giant batteries, super high-powered motors, but yours seems to be the most functional, the cleanest in the safest job. Well done.
thank you for that!
Yes as soon as i get the 2024 wired freedom. Will it come with the correct forks on the stock wired Freedom?
@@jasonmanitsas2770No, You are getting a better bike and cheaper with the new E cells. I would research before getting the Wired. Especially now they can't provide proof of them being UL certified.
@@jasonmanitsas2770I would check out the new release of the E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
@@jasonmanitsas2770 I would check out the new E-Cells release before getting a Wired. They did so many improvements over wired and it's cheaper, service is excellent. Even there paint job! They even water proofed the controller! Wired is now having problems providing the proof they are UL certified and it's not going to well for them. Honesty has to be number 1 when you are doing business with people! It will make you or break you. Always research a bit so you can make the best decision for yourself.
Good video. Awesome build. I rode a friend's Wired Freedom last week and decided if cops start caring about my super fast ebikes in Vegas or San Francisco, I am totally getting one. It's a big time sleeper bike & an AWD kit like yours would be the 2nd upgrade I do (after a tire upgrade).
thanks for the comment!
Could you do a kit with a 20"rim ?
i have been talking about that upgrade for over a year, YES I WANT ONE i would purchase one!!!
hahaha okay, thank you for responding. if the interest is there, i will put up a site to take pre-orders very soon
That is outstanding! Kit....Great idea...Great concept.....I think you will a lot of people who would do this....
I built my first dual monitor in 2019 during the pandemic 1000 watt motor and a 1500 watt motor for the rear but I didn’t have the display I had a Violimart throttle I like your build it looks clean 👍
Yes I would love one I would buy it right away so please make a kit
Okay thank you for responding!!
@@CitizenCycle925 would like his phone number to call him do you know it
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I want one but I wish that it matched the power of the rear wheel hub motor so that I could just use one of the two batteries that comes with the 2024 Cruiser.
Absolutely put a kit together like that it’s already in outstanding Bike and now you just made it 10 times better please put that kit together I’ll purchase one guaranteed
okay great to hear! thanks!
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Yes - definitely interested. Will keep an eye on your videos to hear more.
The only thing I can say is... INCREDIBLE !!!
Sounds like a good solution to range anxiety and for the big hills we have out west, looking to order a wired freedom in the next few months Perfect Timing for the kit!
Definitely ! Set up a kit & sell them to us.
Regular viewer. Thanks.
Okay, thanks for the input. Getting a read on the interest and may set up a site to take pre-orders soon :)
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Do the KIT!!! With or without battery is a great option! Can’t wait to see happen!! Power to ya!
thank you for the comment and vote of confidence!
My bike will be here in 2 weeks. Already want to add the front motor upgrade. Great job.
Good Morning, I Knew If anyone can accomplish this task It's You, Wow, When I get My Bike, I'm Coming to YOU FROM New York City... Congratulations 🎉👏
I have been screaming "Yes" at my screen for a while now dude yesssssss
hahaha okay okay, if the interest is there i will put up a site for pre-orders
@@CitizenCycle925 initially I have been debating between 3 bikes I live and work in rural areas doing medical aid across my country Been looking at the Fabulous Shadow Step, Wired Freedom 2024 and the Wallkie H9
the Wallkie H9 shows the most hill clming ease till this wired freedom mod now I am back to being unsure which bike to go with
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I would order an upgrade kit and forks in a heartbeat but I see you don't ship to Canada. Is there anything we can do about that?
I’d buy the WIRED Freedom (and sell my other e-bike) if you offered this kit. Wouldn’t even think twice.
The Wired Freedom is the ultimate sleeper e-bike… and with your kit, I’ll be grinning under my helmet as I pass up all the mopeds (like I do on my Motorcycle(s).
Do it! Give the people what they want.
✌️😎
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I have a 24 wired cruiser and I would definitely be interested in an all in one box, plug and play kit at the mentioned price point (or less) for sure!
great to hear thank you!
Yeah, I might well buy a cruiser for this kit if applicable
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I’m interested too. Especially if you can keep it around $800
okay, thank you for your response, will keep it as low as possible.
Outstanding build...outstanding video!!
thank you!
Nice clean build like my all wheel drive Ariel Rider X
I just ordered a wired freedom. It’ll be my first e-bike. I cannot wait. It says late may delivery, hoping that’s just a tell-em-late-surprise-them-early date. Either way I already know I want this upgrade. Awesome build, love the thoughtful design choices.
I wanted to do something like this with my Vtuvia Antelope- turns out it was possible but it would be about 6 months of learning and execution, good job. Lacing the motor into the rim was where I checked out of my project- It's great you routed around that task
exactly, i wanted to make it plug and play easy for folks just like you!! (and me)
@@CitizenCycle925 Have you tested the rough range of your kit? Like how many miles can you ride on fairly level ground
I'd love to buy a kit from you! Your work is awesome!
awesome, than you for the feedback. interest has been good, this may just happen!
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I want the recipe ...I have the bike that would be perfect for this ..... Lemme know how when and where .....
I really hope you do decide on doing this cause for us people who do not have the time to research all the needed goodies for adding a additional motor up front .
I am so glad that you went the route of plug and play and make it easier for alot of people who are not too mechanically inclined ......
It is also alot cleaner when it is done right , just the way you did this one .......
Excellent to hear, thanks for the feedback, seems to be quite a bit of interest in this, probably move forward. :)
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Definitely interested in that kit!!
awesome! you've built quite the funmobile 😎
oh yes, very fun!
Yes. When do you hope to have the warp drive available for sale?
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I wish I were young again! Great job, Citizen! I’m really impressed!
Thank you!
yes please put AWD conversion kit together ill buy one for sure I think it will be great 1000 watt would even be goooder. Thank you for your show I dig it.
thank you for the input, i am moving it forward :)
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Definitely would buy one, for sure!
awesome!! thank you for the feedback, it's looking more and more likely i will do this!
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Yes, I think you should make this available Citizen. I don't personally need one, but it seems like a good niche of the market to fill since you have already researched the component sourcing and wiring harness. Plenty of Kepler riders would probably like this kit also.
But I wouldn't do it without first checking with a lawyer and creating a sales agreement that protects you from liability and especially emphasizes that the kit may only be used with an RST Guide fork.
You should definitely sell these kits. You can put me down for one. Maybe adding a little black box to cover the controller would be nice.
thanks for the input, i will have to look into controller boxes..
I thought I posted on here yesterday, but let me know if you want the info for a 2000w front hub custom build, 500 buck's, but comes with controller, hub with wheel and display. Easy plug and play.
is this a direct drive 2000w motor?
Yes, I'm interested. Please let me know when they become available. Thanks
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Fantastic job. I'm in the UK so unfortunately can't get the Wired Freedom. If i was over your way I definitely would be preording this set up.
thanks for the response, sorry that things are little more strict across the pond..
@@CitizenCycle925We are so screwed in Europe 😢
Wow! Nice job; very interesting. I am going to order my Wired soon. A motor up front would only add to the fun. I can see purchasing your kit to add more power for pulling a camping trailer. That would be awesome. I would definitely consider purchasing one of your kits.
awesome thanks!
I'm in! I 'm definitely interested in this Front wheel Kit
Awesome!
I’ve got a 2024 Wired Freedom.I’m in. You build it - I’ll buy it.
fantastic! thank you for the vote!!
Definitely a cost saver kit. It’s a pain in the butt going the other way. I bought the Bolton Bikes (Area 13) kit and that saved bucks putting it in my Rad Mini 2018. May add to that with this but putting bucks into a new fork for my Hyper Scorpion.
fantastic video and job. i think you are underselling your price , which iam sure people will appreciate it, but you need to add in your knowledge and time spent developing this. right before you said the price i was thinking around 1500 to 1800 for the kit, when you said 800 i almost spit out my drink, my wife in the other room ask me if i was okay, lol. i would be ordering this kit the second you put it on the market, only thing i could think of , and iam sure you already planned on doing, is a video of the installation step by step, to make it easier on the installer, aka ( me ) . thank you for your videos and time spent on developing this amazing addition to the wired freedom. be safe and take care. much respect to you.
Thank you for the input!! you make some great points but i also want the price to make it very attainable for folks. And yes of course I would do a step by step install video on various bikes. :)
I really like this set up. Well thought out.👍
Thank you, its not for everyone but i think it works well.
I’d buy one and I have 3 friends that would buy this kit!
Wow, okay, thank you. I'm trying to get a read on the potential demand. if the interest is there, i will set up a site to take pre-orders soon.
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I was going to buy another battery anyway. I'm planning on riding the RAGBRAI, bicycle ride Across Iowa this summer and one of the days is 80 miles. So, I know I can easily do that with 2 Freedom batteries. With your KIT, I think I can get the range I want, plus all the other benefits the kit delivers... for the same price as a second Wired battery. No brainer, I'm SOLD! I'll need the kit no later than the beginning of July.
finishing up things, taking orders soon, should be ready well before july!
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Yes. Very interested! I have a 2023 Freedom. I assume I will need to change out my front fork? I’ve been wanting to do this for a while now.
yes, you probably have a Mozo fork, would need to change it to RST Guide and those are $200
@@CitizenCycle925 thank you! I will definitely do the upgrade for the front motor then. Keep us posted. Great job on everything you do. Much appreciated!!
The rst guide forks come stock with the 2024 correct?
I believe the wired rear motor is 1500w...so it would probably be a difficult endeavor connecting the front 750w and rear 1500w motors to a single throttle. They need different signals to balance out the power. I have an AWD Grizzly.... But the motors are the same power so you can just combine the throttle signals from the controllers to one throttle. But having an AWD bike is definitely good for alot of situations.. and its probably saved my but from wiping out several times. Especially on turns when the rear tire wants to kick out but the front pulls it out of it. I just ordered the new Lyric Graffiti X but im definitely gonna keep my Grizzly for poor weather. Snow and wet roads are much better suited to an AWD bike.
Looking forward to the head to head with the Citizen bike!
will be a close one!
Well done brother!!! I love how it is plug and play!! I will definitely be ordering one!💪🏼
Fantastic!
Go for it!!! I’m not a prospect but lots of hunters are using two wheel drive bikes. What you might consider is selling modified bikes. Look at some of the hunting bikes, they are pricey. That might be a good market segment to cater yourself to. Work a tiered quantity deal with Wired for their green bike, do some camo mods, drive mods and go for it!
Interesting thoughts, thank you for the input!
How about a direct drive front end so you can have a 3k front drive to pick up after the rear motor maxes out and would have regen on the front end...
there are lots of direct drive motors on the market, i wanted to supply geared hubs which are very hard to find.
I think it's a great idea! I think people would buy it!
thank you for the input! :)
I can't tell how much I would but the kit you are talking about. I'm not sure how old this video is, I hope I'm not to late.
I had a Rad Rover it had a problem they could not figure out. I replaced about everything just about 2 times. Only to have it stolen. And Im a 63 yr old man, but I don't drive . Thank God I live in a bike friendly small college town. Which helps but i would love to buy buy a kit
@zzyzxnil i sell the kits at citizenperformance.com
my next shipment arrives at the end of October 😁
I'm TOTALLY down with that! I'd like to upgrade my Aventure.2!!!
I appreciate all the videos, bike tests and most of all the modifications! I have an Ariel Rider Kepler and would love one of your kits. Let your Citizens know the details on the pricing and timing of availability. I want one
Okay, will keep you posted!
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Great job on putting this together, just got a 2024 wire freedom, definitely would like to have the kit, please let me know when available , Definitely ready, thanks for all you do, learned a lot from your videos, keep up the good work
excellent! hopefully taking orders soon!
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I'm interested in the AWD kit as well. Hopefully we can make this happen 👍
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@CitizenCycle925
Yes, nice upgrade.
The only option I would suggest is for a regenerative braking option. It would be a requirement for me as the primary reasoning for my new bike's custom build was for regenerative braking on the front hub's motor to reduce brake pad wear by 95-99%. AWD, quicker acceleration, + the ability to drive the bike home if my mid-drive motor goes out or I break a belt are all additional benefits of the front hub on my mid-drive with IGH build.
I especially like how you've kept the 2nd system throttle only. Very nice system as you've designed it, but the regenerative braking option might be of interest to those who ride in alot of hilly areas or for those looking to greatly reduce brake pad wear.
My goal was to deliver the torque power of a geared hub motor to the front wheel, i dont know of any geared hubs that have a regen feature to them... I think if regen is a main concern then the direct drive motors are probably more appropriate. Thanks for the feedback! what bike did you modify?
@CitizenCycle925
I actually don't have the bike yet and must first sell my current bike then start the bike build. If your main goal was torque you definitely would succeed with a geared hub with your project. My project revolves around a mid-drive bike whose 2nd front hub motors primary reasoning was to nearly eliminate brake pad replacements while providing the additional benefits I listed above.
You can do regenerative braking with geared or direct drive. If using direct drive, the freewheel must be locked or completely eliminated and there are videos on UA-cam from a company that's done alot on regenerative braking motors. I was planning on running a geared front hub but have since decided to use a direct drive hub as I'm already going to have the torque multiplication from my bikes gearing to help assist the mid-drive motor.
I stayed away from saying the company's name that is very well versed in regenerative braking but if you want me to share the name I will.
I’d be interested just wish the battery could be mounted somewhere in a case. Would have to know how charging would work as well.
i would leave battery mounting up to the customer, different bike will have different places that will be better. a 3amp charger would also be supplied in the kit, forgot to add that in the list.
Could you map both motors through the one twist throttle, but set the 750w up to cut off at say 28 or so.. so that it only helps off the line to get up to speed, automating that process and saving battery on the 750w motor side ?
sounds like an interesting idea, let me know if you try it.
I never will, was just a question I was curious about, sort of like a two speed transmission type of thing :) thanks. Good luck on your kit business. Looks neat.
I will buy your kit. As is.
But I would also pay more for higher voltage controller and battery.
Smooth quiet street tire mounted on the front wheel would be a bonus that I would be glad to pay for (including more $ for the best puncture protection).
Forks are expensive, but a good twenty millimeter through axle strong front fork would be great. Steering damper? I will buy as-is, but I would also purchase your higher end kit.
Okay, thank you for this input!! appreciate you!
I would buy one, but I'm in the uk. The wired isn't sold here.
yes there are a lot of bikes you folks dont get :(
Do it. Some peeps will buy just for the extra range 👍.
Absolutely your on To a really good kit here and built by a rider
Yes absolutely!!
alrighty!! great to hear!
With the new wired bike, which now has a 2nd battery, kept where you put your controller. If i purchased the updated bike and still wanted AWD , where would you put your controller? I guess you would still use the top of the rack for your battery.
Yes, for sure!
okay, the interest in this kit is looking good!
Can you recommend simular handlebars that have more room for more levers brakes and mirrors, I'm going to purchase but I think I don't have enough room for my mirrors , brakes , throttle lever, 3 button wired power switch , bell, grips. and the added lever when i buy the kit, looking for longer length handlebars that are still upright simular to what it has. thanks if you can help
What about with a juiced hyperscrambler 2 if I change out forks?
I would love to do this on my Juiced Ripcurrent S. Guess I had better start looking at getting new forks.
thank you for the comment! :)
Interested I just ordered the bike but I like this.
I blew out a steel fork with a geared hub! ⚠️ The RST guide is still working for me 👍
interesting... that is surprising
I have the 2023 Eahora Juliet 20-inch eBike. It is a little underpowered for my taste with a top speed of 28 mph. It has a 48-volt 1000-watt geared motor with a 60 AH battery. I have been looking into doing exactly what you have done with the Wired so I can raise that top end to at least 35 mph when I need to. I live right off of US Hwy 321 and have to travel it for at least 2 miles before I can get on a secondary road with much less traffic. Today, a large diesel truck pulling a very heavy trailer with a large machine on it moved to the center of the road to avoid me and ran an oncoming vehicle onto the shoulder of the road to avoid a head on collision. The speed limit is 55 and he was probably doing over 60. Everybody is in a hurry. I know the Wired can reach 35 with just the rear motor, so I was wondering what I would need on the front to be able to reach that speed without help from limited rear motor. Any suggestions would be appreciated, and I would be glad to purchase an appropriate kit from you. The extra battery would not be a problem and would be seldom used for my purpose as I'm not in as big a hurry as the driver of that truck.
Thanks, Jim
I will buy one yesterday . Count me in .
Awesome!!
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I'd love to buy one of these kits
fantastic! thanks for responding, seems to be some good interest in this..
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Yep will this be tailored to the particular bike we own-Magicycle Ocelot pro-for me--with video instruction for those of us not as adept at this-Reakoe
I would do an install video, but initially it would be for 26x4 wheels and your bike would need to have RST Guide forks to handle the power. 20x4 kit would be easy to create also if there was interest in that.
Yes please, I would like one
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Resellable AWD Kit, sure...great job.
You can't stop now.
It's only 85% complete.
It's not done till you merge the displays and front/rear selector switch like the Grizzly.
One more month, then Celebrate‼️
Next project dual 45A controllers on your Grizzly ‼️ 🤜🤯🤛
My X is better two separate systems are better in case one go down you still have a motor to help you move the bike
When you said it needs a certain type of fork in order for it to work properly... don't know if my fork could handle the torque. Have to research on that but lets say I'm still semi-interested.
okay, thanks for the note!!
The pedal assist is still hooked up on the rear motor, isn't it? I thought i saw it on #2. Isnt 5 the faster setting?
Would definately be interested. Please do it👍
okay thanks for the feedback!
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Just ordered an E-Cells five star. Should have it by the end of April. Will definately be ordering a kit over the summer.
Pretty cool dude. I like it.
Good work. I have 4 diy ebike s 3k to 4k power. 3 are awd. I recommend 2k or 3k rear and no more than 1k front, but I do combine into one throttle.
Wired comes with a 60v 2k in the rear from the factory, and he added 750 to the front...so specs match.
45amp x 52volt =2200watt+
ithink he said 52v front battery an 60v rear
thats why he has tfront wheel spin...voltage should match front and back.
@@joeberginc7415 The wheel spin is because the center of mass is more towards the rear than normal, due to the battery on the back rack. There just isn't enough mass on the front fork to hold the wheel down. I'd be curious what would happen if the 2nd battery were mounted toward the front of the frame or even better, like a front basket to the head tube....it would have to help some.
im in! been thinkin about addind a front motor to thr magicycle cruiser
would have to change your forks but otherwise would work!
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You should do a 3 motor trike and connect both back wheels to one throttle and the front wheel to it’s own throttle
Depends. What are the benefits will it go faster ?
Top speed does not change, it just accelerates much fast and way stronger on hills.
might be interested, how much weight does it add overall?
Also, If you are up for it, I'd like to see what a freedom looks like on 24 or 20in wheels, if it's possible to swap the motors?
Kit adds about 15lbs. I dont have any 24in wheels but they may look okay. not sure that 20in would look good.
This is super awesome! I’m Actually right now debating on buying a wired or another ebike which has dual motors in it. I’m on the fence bc I’m on the shorter side like your wife. Not sure I’d be able to comfortably ride it. If I do buy it, Id definitely be interested in a kit. I’d like to have a 20 ah battery for it though.
as long as you put RST Guide forks on whatever bike you have, you would be able to use this kit.
E-Cell at 146nm is the same bike as the wired Freedom at 138nm but much cheaper!
Controller KT 60v 40A 146nm controller. Delivers 2400 watts of power while the wired Freedom motor is 2200w peak! Or buy the dual motor monarch!
I’ve seen the reviews for the ecell five star. A lot of similarities but it’s not supposed to come out until late spring early summer. No one has even test rode it yet. I actually can pick up the wired freedom and don’t have to ship it, So no shipping costs for me 🎉. Just got to pay Uncle Sam 💰. Wish I were taller 😂
I stay in Haw River North Carolina Is There A Way I Can Get A Kit And Have You Do It Exactly Like This… This Is So Smart
How about a 60v 60v setup with the front motor just being over volted. If there is too much wheel spin just neuter it in the settings. Then fit a 15/20ah battery to the back. Then you could have beast mode and swap wheels to stocker for long range mode with a combiner🍻 using a blender with the 52v would be less desirable.
if motor is overvolted the manufacturer wont warranty
Sure I would buy one
excellent! thanks for commenting!
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I am very interested. Link please. I want something that will perform on the steep mountain trails of Colorado and Wyoming
okay, i;m getting a read on the interest level. All the manufacturer needs from me is the word GO. i would set up a site for pre-orders soon if the response is good.
I did the same upgrade on my Radrover 5 bike as you did on your Citizen bike. I would also be interested in doing it to my Wired Freedom bike. I like the torque it has. How much additional weight did it add?
adds 15lbs
I would LOVE a Smaller Wired freedom! Kudos for the over the top mod, but I just want the bike to feel more comfortable. - (6'1" Wired Freedom owner)
yes, it is certainly a large bike, hard to tell until you see it in person.
I am very interested in this. But would you have a system with the latest freedom?
Any plans to build a kit to use with the dual battery freedom? I want awd but don't want a 3rd battery lol.
I would be interested in one of these kits for my Wired bike. One question I have is that the wired bike ships with a second battery already. The 2024 edition. Have you made any changes to the kit? Like where would you put the controller? Since the wired bike using that space for their second battery.
I would interested. It would be a few months out before I would be able to purchase it though. I like my bike a lot. AWD would make it awesome.
alrighty thanks for responding :)
I think it would be great if you added a taillight with directional signals for extra cost
hmm. adding light turn signals is a thought... thanks
@CitizenCycle925 thank you for the consideration. If anyone can do it you can. Plus your wiring already has the potential
A hundred thumbs up 👍 awesome.
Wow thanks!
What about with a juiced hyperscrambler 2 if I change out forks? Man im getting EXCITED!!! 3 BATTERY'S!!!!!!!!!
only making 26in kits at the moment
@CitizenCycle925 thanks!! I ordered E cells 5 star, That should work right? I think it comes with the right forks.
@@lecroixband yes!