Would you please take the time to find out about the battery blender on the new Cruisers! I have the new Cruiser on the way hopefully. I also have another 25 ah battery I would like to install on the new cruiser. I would just like to know what connectors they are using. Xt90 xt60 small Anderson?
Do the xt90. Same situation with me. Ibought a 25ah, from what i understand if its the same volt should work. Just with the extra off wnd the new plugged in. Use awg, and a min of 12g wire. Ive been waiting since beginning of March and tomorrow its here! @@orvillecooper8334
Match of the century! Great video, and I agreed the CitizenCycle bike is still the drag race champion. The KT controllers push a lot of phase amps and are good for the launches. When I had that same controller, the front wheel kept coming off the ground just starting normally, and it made riding mountain bike trails difficult. Your next steps are 1. Upgrade the controllers to ones that support field weakening for top speed overdrive (like the Fardriver), or 2. Upgrade the controllers and the rear motor. The problem with many Bafang gear reduction hub motors is weak magnet glue, and field weakening produces extra heat that makes the glue fail. Solution to this is stripping the magnets out completely, cleaning, and regluing them with high temperature structural adhesive. Your upper limits with geared hub motors right now is probably the Bafang G062 that can peak at 2,000 to 2,400 watts stock (without field weakening), 3,200 watts modified, or 4,100 watts modified with a vented motor casing. Mine is at 3,200 watts and will do 42 on flat ground with a 200lb rider. The Citizen bike with larger wheels will likely do about 46mph. If you need more speed, you need to go direct drive, and the sky is pretty much the limit. I was the engineering advisor for a channel (RunPlayBack) that upgraded an Ego mini bike, and he went with a 10,000 watt Sotion direct drive motor. The power and throttle response is perfect, and 60mph is no problem. Of course, THAT is not an e-bike, and it is registered with plates and insurance.
@Altema22 I'm still running the G60 Motors. If i upgraded to the G062 Motors I'd probably see an increase in performance. Right now my current rear motor sounds like crap, probably over worked. I think new motors and 45a controllers would be killer.
I've learned a ton watching Bryan's videos. Not only is he great at filming and editing, he's got a super positive vibe and a great way of communicating. I know from experience that UA-cam revenue is not great for smaller channels so if you're getting something from his videos, make sure to support his work by donating. His Paypal link is in the description box as well as in the header of his main UA-cam page. Cheers, Andy.
Great video as usual. I'll stick with single drive motors with power and lighter more agile bikes. But looks like you and your dad are having a blast. Have an awesome day.
2024+ has the controller inside of the frame so may cause additional heat issues. I have had the same issue. Contemplating getting some statorade for it
Good comparison. How about testing the eCells AWD 2000w Kings Crown or the Super ST 1000w or even the Step Star 1500w 60 V model against the Wired AWD or Citizen AWD?
Love the comparison 👍🏼 I Should have my Citizen Warp Drive finished and installed on Kepler tonight. so far so good fairly easy to install. 👍🏼just gotta make it look pretty now and clean up some wires. Can't wait. Thanks again Bryan
Your dad hit the nail on the head and it's why I love my set up that's like the citizen bike. If one motor or battery fails I have a totally separate system to get me home! I have the same Rad bike with the upgraded controller on the back then the added motor on the front (1500w) with a 52v battery. The rear provides torque and the front provides top end. Together they make one hell of a riding experience and I love it! I've never come close to depleting the battery's, I've done 30 mile rides and only lost one bar of both battery's. I have no idea what the range is but I know it is VERY far.
@@stevenpierce6927 Yeah the acceleration is something else. Ironically I rarely accelerate at top speed or ride at top speed. I upgraded to simply help get me up hills as I'm a big guy and the single rear motor just wasn't cutting it. It's nice to have it if needed but I rarely use the full power, I just like to plod along at my own slow pace and be able to climb any hill I encounter. It's another reason the e-bike laws here in the UK are utterly dumb!
Definitely a great video you should have ran the wire when it was at full charge the citizens bike was fresh charged and the wire bike was ran 3 races before the citizen bike but great video both bikes are fast I can't wait to put your kit on my new wired step through through
Your kit does not have the kick like my 48V AWD 20X4. The 26x4.0 mountain ebike with a 750W truck run motor,what the hell it's OK but the 1000W MOTORS 20X4 48V system?? Way to go 33mpr now
After 10mpr nothing out of your kit and yes on 5 what's the problem with 750W Motor 52V awd the 48V truck run Motor. YES I have a 52V 20AH BATTERY FLAT AT 10MPR I'M SORRY NOT WORTHY TO MY 20X4 48V AWD 30AH? I'M ONLY 64YRS OLD MAN AT 160 POUNDS??
As the owner of a Philodo H8 I know the power and acceleration dual 48 volt 1000 watt nominal,1500 watt peak motors are capable of. Dual 27 +/- 2 amps controllers gets me to 20 in under 6 seconds and 30 in 13 seconds. Top end is limited to 35 though.
They both are nice yes I added a 1000 watt front motor to my Aerial Rider X He was right it is good to have two independent drive systems to get home in case of a downed motor drive 😍😍😍😍😍
You definitely need to start ordering some more kits I got a feeling once everyone starts putting them on their bikes and making videos, your going to need them
lol I laughed when you said if he beats me I’m gonna have to upgrade… Both bikes are your creations bro! You did upgrade, you just used a better starting platform. Awesome vid though, you guy’s really can ride. I imagine it’s not as simple as slamming the throttle to launch these monsters well.
Awesome race and comparison with your dad. You did what we all wanted to see. Now we want to see more Wired freedom warp drive kits be produced! :). And did I hear you and your dad say "now it's time to make something faster" at the end? I'm hoping you come out with a 1000w or even 1500w hentach motor kit one of these days. No bike company has figured that dual motor wired freedoms are the way.
After watching the video a couple times it looks like the wired is quicker up top but where was the Finnish line hard to tell the winner with out a end it's seems like whoever gets the best start wins . Dam good races
Cool test for sure. Can you say the furious bike is a great bike? Im considering a 20" bike and would appreciate ur thoughts on 1 to 3 models up to 3k.
Burn-outs on your Ebikes? Now I'm Interested 😅 With ambulance chasers and regulatory changes, building an e-bike may be the best option. I'll happily follow you but not too far behind, please 😅
I value your opinions on the WIRED FREEDOM. Do you think that this bike would benefit from having a dual crown fork? I’m thinking it would add needed weight to the front end & help with the wobbles when the rear battery is used. Thanks 😎
I had a Trippel motor 48 volt two 750 watt hub motors with a 52 volt 1000 watt mid drive running in high gear sprocket Ariel Rider D it was powerful like a two wheel tractor but slow slow----- hub motors with a high amp controllers are the way go for speed
There's people out now saying the new freedoms and cruisers aren't as stable and sturdy. Funny how you dad thought the exact opposite. I'll take dads side on this one.
Is this wobble potentially on both Freedom and Cruisers newest models? I am expecting my new cruiser to be shipped by the end of July. Very concerned now what to do.
Citizen, there is a lot of concern about front wheel and handlebar wobble on the latest Wired Freedom. FB Wired community is lit up with complaints. Can you please make a video with your experience and thoughts pertaining to the 2024+ Freedom and Cruiser. Lots of orders are being cancelled. I've owned 8 ebikes that have never had this issue, even when riding at 28+mph no handed. I demoed a Ride1Up 700 stepthru that wobbled, so that was a deal breaker.
Hello citizen, there’s been a development with the new wired freedom that’s shipping has death wobble with the rear battery installed. Can you confirm or deny if that’s the case with the new updated bike that you’ve experienced?
Dig the Citizen Bike. Still need the full kit with forks for a Rad Rover 6 Plus. Absolute amateur here, really need grunt to haul my fat ass up hills here in West Seattle.
@goldbearbunny4787 oh yes, right now my rear motor on the citizen bike sounds awful. it's probably a little bit damaged. Overvolting them makes them run hotter and is more wear and tear.
Hey citizen cycle it would really be appreciated if you can help clarify about this wobble that everyone's talking about several individuals that have purchased the e-bike have requested a refund myself I have purchased a bike but I am not requesting a refund I have the older version and the only issue I ever had with it was that the suspension didn't really give any kind of relief because it was too close to the rear wheel and since me being 240 lb I could not loosen up the shock enough to experience any type of rear suspension. That's why I'm contacting you now because I used every dye my head being on disability to purchase the second one the 2024.5 and if it's jacked up then I'll be out over $2,000. I really appreciate it if you could make time in your busy schedule to address this if possible. You're faithful fan always .
@alphonsosanchez5138 you would have to change out the forks on the latest wired bikes. You need to have rst guide forjs with open dropouts but yes you could install it on the latest bike if you do a fork swap.
@@CitizenCycle925 yes here the EU regs sucks very hard! I did not think about building one DIY ebike because I do not have your knowledge/skills... furthermore, most of powerfull ebikes made outside EU, when shipped to here, are converted into 250-500W max powertrains.
Dual motors with dual batteries are going to be the new standard of power and performance
@RydinNStyle at least for now. It used to be rare to have dual motors. Now its way more common.
I need another battery
Don't forget the potential for redundancy, when you have battery or motor problems when out on the road.
That was great! There was a day where no one even got close to the Citizen bike but it still comes out on top. At least at the takeoff.
Love the Wired content of any kind!
It would be better if you could actually get a Wired ebike without having to wait months for delivery. I might be happier.
Would you please take the time to find out about the battery blender on the new Cruisers! I have the new Cruiser on the way hopefully. I also have another 25 ah battery I would like to install on the new cruiser. I would just like to know what connectors they are using. Xt90 xt60 small Anderson?
Do the xt90. Same situation with me. Ibought a 25ah, from what i understand if its the same volt should work. Just with the extra off wnd the new plugged in. Use awg, and a min of 12g wire. Ive been waiting since beginning of March and tomorrow its here!
@@orvillecooper8334
Match of the century! Great video, and I agreed the CitizenCycle bike is still the drag race champion. The KT controllers push a lot of phase amps and are good for the launches. When I had that same controller, the front wheel kept coming off the ground just starting normally, and it made riding mountain bike trails difficult.
Your next steps are 1. Upgrade the controllers to ones that support field weakening for top speed overdrive (like the Fardriver), or 2. Upgrade the controllers and the rear motor.
The problem with many Bafang gear reduction hub motors is weak magnet glue, and field weakening produces extra heat that makes the glue fail. Solution to this is stripping the magnets out completely, cleaning, and regluing them with high temperature structural adhesive.
Your upper limits with geared hub motors right now is probably the Bafang G062 that can peak at 2,000 to 2,400 watts stock (without field weakening), 3,200 watts modified, or 4,100 watts modified with a vented motor casing. Mine is at 3,200 watts and will do 42 on flat ground with a 200lb rider. The Citizen bike with larger wheels will likely do about 46mph. If you need more speed, you need to go direct drive, and the sky is pretty much the limit. I was the engineering advisor for a channel (RunPlayBack) that upgraded an Ego mini bike, and he went with a 10,000 watt Sotion direct drive motor. The power and throttle response is perfect, and 60mph is no problem. Of course, THAT is not an e-bike, and it is registered with plates and insurance.
@Altema22 I'm still running the G60 Motors. If i upgraded to the G062 Motors I'd probably see an increase in performance. Right now my current rear motor sounds like crap, probably over worked. I think new motors and 45a controllers would be killer.
I've learned a ton watching Bryan's videos. Not only is he great at filming and editing, he's got a super positive vibe and a great way of communicating. I know from experience that UA-cam revenue is not great for smaller channels so if you're getting something from his videos, make sure to support his work by donating. His Paypal link is in the description box as well as in the header of his main UA-cam page. Cheers, Andy.
I just ordered my wired cruiser can’t wait for it to arrive next month
Love all the EBike content especially with the CBike & the Wired keep em coming
Still jonesing for my Freedom, due in tomorrow, just in time for a week of rain here in RDU!😂😭
Thanks again for the discount!🤘
Great video as usual. I'll stick with single drive motors with power and lighter more agile bikes. But looks like you and your dad are having a blast. Have an awesome day.
@@EricLoeser we always have fun on the powerful ones!!
My new Wired overheats and shuts down on steep hill climbs. It’s a little weird no reviewers mentioned this.
2024 or 2024+?
Yes 2024 or 2024+?
@@iPsYcHeDeLiiCZthey have 2 versions?
2024+ has the controller inside of the frame so may cause additional heat issues. I have had the same issue. Contemplating getting some statorade for it
Good comparison. How about testing the eCells AWD 2000w Kings Crown or the Super ST 1000w or even the Step Star 1500w 60 V model against the Wired AWD or Citizen AWD?
Love the comparison 👍🏼
I Should have my Citizen Warp Drive finished and installed on Kepler tonight. so far so good fairly easy to install. 👍🏼just gotta make it look pretty now and clean up some wires.
Can't wait.
Thanks again Bryan
I want a Wired Freedom with dual motors from the factory..no add on kit. Someday hopefully.
Me too. I'm shocked neither Wired or Ecells has released one yet because everyone wants one.
Once again another great video, thanks 👍
Your dad hit the nail on the head and it's why I love my set up that's like the citizen bike. If one motor or battery fails I have a totally separate system to get me home!
I have the same Rad bike with the upgraded controller on the back then the added motor on the front (1500w) with a 52v battery. The rear provides torque and the front provides top end. Together they make one hell of a riding experience and I love it!
I've never come close to depleting the battery's, I've done 30 mile rides and only lost one bar of both battery's. I have no idea what the range is but I know it is VERY far.
My Citizen kit is installed and working great. 0 to 30 mph in no time.
@@stevenpierce6927 Yeah the acceleration is something else. Ironically I rarely accelerate at top speed or ride at top speed. I upgraded to simply help get me up hills as I'm a big guy and the single rear motor just wasn't cutting it. It's nice to have it if needed but I rarely use the full power, I just like to plod along at my own slow pace and be able to climb any hill I encounter.
It's another reason the e-bike laws here in the UK are utterly dumb!
Definitely a great video you should have ran the wire when it was at full charge the citizens bike was fresh charged and the wire bike was ran 3 races before the citizen bike but great video both bikes are fast I can't wait to put your kit on my new wired step through through
Love the dual controlled motors!
Your kit does not have the kick like my 48V AWD 20X4. The 26x4.0 mountain ebike with a 750W truck run motor,what the hell it's OK but the 1000W MOTORS 20X4 48V system?? Way to go 33mpr now
After 10mpr nothing out of your kit and yes on 5 what's the problem with 750W Motor 52V awd the 48V truck run Motor. YES I have a 52V 20AH BATTERY FLAT AT 10MPR I'M SORRY NOT WORTHY TO MY 20X4 48V AWD 30AH? I'M ONLY 64YRS OLD MAN AT 160 POUNDS??
You need to test a Lyric X bike, order one and I hope to get it on August which is the expected shipping date of the first batch.
@@DigitalPlaygroundTV lyric has not reached out but maybe someday
How much did the extra motor setup cost? I like the AWD option, that is why I pre-order the furious bike, but that wired bike is nice.
@@dsonnek7781 I was selling the front motor kits for $899 with a battery included
@@CitizenCycle925 you still selling them?
The furious ultimate 60v is probably the best bike lol. I need that crotch rocket with front wheel slips. Lol
I like the wired bike. I like the video
Great Video! I have been wanting to see those 2 bikes side by side for a while.
As the owner of a Philodo H8 I know the power and acceleration dual 48 volt 1000 watt nominal,1500 watt peak motors are capable of. Dual 27 +/- 2 amps controllers gets me to 20 in under 6 seconds and 30 in 13 seconds. Top end is limited to 35 though.
They both are nice yes I added a 1000 watt front motor to my Aerial Rider X He was right it is good to have two independent drive systems to get home in case of a downed motor drive 😍😍😍😍😍
Still leaning towards the MotorGoat for me just because the Modability
Good bike the Goat hall but
You definitely need to start ordering some more kits I got a feeling once everyone starts putting them on their bikes and making videos, your going to need them
I really want the front motor kit. And was interested from the start. How do I get a a list of you continue selling?
Do you have a video on how to add the front motor setup?
@@IrokSteady yes I did install videos on the Aventon Adventure.2, the wired bike, and also the Himinway zebra.
@@CitizenCycle925 do you think adding the battery to a basket in the front would help with traction? Instead of placing it in the back?
Fast and furious
lol I laughed when you said if he beats me I’m gonna have to upgrade… Both bikes are your creations bro! You did upgrade, you just used a better starting platform. Awesome vid though, you guy’s really can ride. I imagine it’s not as simple as slamming the throttle to launch these monsters well.
@FreakyT333 yes the front wheel spins on both so you got to control that on launch. Once the Citizen bike is defeated I will upgrade it.
Getting my wired tomorrow! Have not even road it yet and now I want a front motor! Lol
Awesome race and comparison with your dad. You did what we all wanted to see. Now we want to see more Wired freedom warp drive kits be produced! :). And did I hear you and your dad say "now it's time to make something faster" at the end? I'm hoping you come out with a 1000w or even 1500w hentach motor kit one of these days. No bike company has figured that dual motor wired freedoms are the way.
Would love the new bike, but my 2024 Freedom is already heavy AF at 83 pounds. At 100+ pounds may as well have a Suron.
After watching the video a couple times it looks like the wired is quicker up top but where was the Finnish line hard to tell the winner with out a end it's seems like whoever gets the best start wins . Dam good races
Cool test for sure. Can you say the furious bike is a great bike? Im considering a 20" bike and would appreciate ur thoughts on 1 to 3 models up to 3k.
She shed burning 🔥
Burn-outs on your Ebikes? Now I'm Interested 😅
With ambulance chasers and regulatory changes, building an e-bike may be the best option.
I'll happily follow you but not too far behind, please 😅
I value your opinions on the WIRED FREEDOM.
Do you think that this bike would benefit from having a dual crown fork? I’m thinking it would add needed weight to the front end & help with the wobbles when the rear battery is used. Thanks 😎
Very nice! but what about the triple motor Grizzly? I'm thinking it will beat the Furious
@simms196 yes the triple motor Grizzly is faster than the Furious bike.
I had a Trippel motor 48 volt two 750 watt hub motors with a 52 volt 1000 watt mid drive running in high gear sprocket Ariel Rider D it was powerful like a two wheel tractor but slow slow----- hub motors with a high amp controllers are the way go for speed
Hello, since you own the new Wired Freedom could you make a video demonstrating that the death wobble is no more than a conspiracy? Thanks bro.
There's people out now saying the new freedoms and cruisers aren't as stable and sturdy.
Funny how you dad thought the exact opposite. I'll take dads side on this one.
Is this wobble potentially on both Freedom and Cruisers newest models? I am expecting my new cruiser to be shipped by the end of July. Very concerned now what to do.
I’ve got three Wired cruisers. None of them have any of this phantom wobble that people talk about.
If only you made a video how you got the kit on the front of the wired bike.
@nandrews128 I sell the kit at citizenperformance.com I also have several videos of me installing the kit on various bikes😁
So how long until the new citizen bike? You going to snag a kit from HPC or do a Grin build?
What’s your overall favorite e-bike you own?
Citizen, there is a lot of concern about front wheel and handlebar wobble on the latest Wired Freedom. FB Wired community is lit up with complaints. Can you please make a video with your experience and thoughts pertaining to the 2024+ Freedom and Cruiser. Lots of orders are being cancelled. I've owned 8 ebikes that have never had this issue, even when riding at 28+mph no handed. I demoed a Ride1Up 700 stepthru that wobbled, so that was a deal breaker.
that was FUN!!
Is there a video that shows how to do a front wheel motor conversion?
What seats do you use on your bikes?
Hello citizen, there’s been a development with the new wired freedom that’s shipping has death wobble with the rear battery installed. Can you confirm or deny if that’s the case with the new updated bike that you’ve experienced?
Dig the Citizen Bike. Still need the full kit with forks for a Rad Rover 6 Plus. Absolute amateur here, really need grunt to haul my fat ass up hills here in West Seattle.
@tommorningstar6373 probably start selling full kits again in the near future, just working out a new controller supplier possibly..
Have you had a ANY WOBBLING WITH THE WIRED FREEDOM AT THOSES SPEEDS?
Do you have any More of the front motors Available, And What's the price? For a Wired Freedom 2024+?
What's the range on the wired and citizen now? Do they both have pedal assist?
Fast will get you away from a pitbull. Quick will get your leg bit.
WoWee !!!
Is there any chance by over powering the motors on your bike it could damage them?
@goldbearbunny4787 oh yes, right now my rear motor on the citizen bike sounds awful. it's probably a little bit damaged. Overvolting them makes them run hotter and is more wear and tear.
I’m sure either of these out perform my Rambo krusader
Hey Bryan, are you going to build any more?
@@f1dog yes, I placed another order for front motor kits with my manufacturer the other day I'll have them available for order again soon
@@CitizenCycle925 That's great news! Thank you.
Hey citizen cycle it would really be appreciated if you can help clarify about this wobble that everyone's talking about several individuals that have purchased the e-bike have requested a refund myself I have purchased a bike but I am not requesting a refund I have the older version and the only issue I ever had with it was that the suspension didn't really give any kind of relief because it was too close to the rear wheel and since me being 240 lb I could not loosen up the shock enough to experience any type of rear suspension. That's why I'm contacting you now because I used every dye my head being on disability to purchase the second one the 2024.5 and if it's jacked up then I'll be out over $2,000. I really appreciate it if you could make time in your busy schedule to address this if possible. You're faithful fan always .
Can this kit be installed on the new (latest) Wired Cruiser ebike? If so, do I need the full battery kit or the kit without the battery?
@alphonsosanchez5138 you would have to change out the forks on the latest wired bikes. You need to have rst guide forjs with open dropouts but yes you could install it on the latest bike if you do a fork swap.
@@CitizenCycle925 Thank you, you're awesome.
Hi Great ebikeOne !! :-) What do you think about Aniioki ebikes ?? I can't buy here in EU any AWD ebike over 1000W dude !! I am built for SPEEEDDD :-)
@dresmart432 yes I know you guys have some strict regulations over there. Can you get parts to build your own? I've never tried an Aniioki bike.
@@CitizenCycle925 yes here the EU regs sucks very hard! I did not think about building one DIY ebike because I do not have your knowledge/skills... furthermore, most of powerfull ebikes made outside EU, when shipped to here, are converted into 250-500W max powertrains.
I've built 5 AWD bikes so far and I think after you ride AWD with 3k 4k power, you just can't enjoy a rwd bike with under 3k power. You get spoiled...
@joeberginc7415 yes, average 750w bikes just don't cut it anymore 😁
Respond to the wobble issue or your words are worthless?
Wired is perfect for when you want a wobbly bike that will kill you. Make sure you have life insurance before unboxing your new Wired bike
HEY MAN have you had any issues with the New Wired Freedom wobbling ?????????????????????????? I've seen a lot of complaints on facebook