Wishbone Ash- Time Was (First Listen)
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Wishbone Ash. One of the most underrated bands. Argus . A brilliant album. Best of British.
Totally agree. One of my top two favourite albums (the other being Ziggy Stardust) and I’ve been playing this for 50 years. I saw them live a few times when I was a student in the late 70s and they were simply awesome.
Wow.. I quite enjoyed this. It's surprising how bands in the early 70s have that level of complexity that sounds so enjoyable for the 2020s. 👌🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
Learn......body!!!
Wishbone Ash's early musical arrangements owe much to bass player Martin Turner having been a chorister. The structures and harmonies of religious music can be heard, sometimes directly, sometimes less so.
That's not to belittle or ignore the talents, experiences and influences of the others; Andy Powelll, for example, had played in bands with brass players, where arrangements tended to be fuller and more elaborate.
It's a common presumption of each generation that its time is bound to be more sophisticated and advanced than those that went before. It ain't necessarily so 😉
Argus is the best album to discover Wishbone Ash. Every song on it is a classic. I first saw them in 1970, my first concert. You must listen to "The King Will Come" and "Throw Down The Sword", though the whole album is brilliant from start to finish. The guitar is such a massive part of Wishbone Ash as they had two lead guitars - Andy Powell and Ted Turner - playing in harmony. That's the reason for the rich guitar sound.
I would also suggest that you listen to Man, who also used two lead guitars. Expect some long videos as they were masters of false endings. Really a live band so the live recordings of "Spunk Rock", "C'mon" and "Bananas" are amazing.
This brilliant album was voted Best Album of 1972 in a NME Poll ahead of Yes:CttE, JT: Thick As a Brick and Genesis: Foxtrot back in 1972!!
The whole album is awesome. The other guitarist, Ted Turner is equally awesome. How could anybody not like this??
JP you are in for a treat. You've chosen arguably their most complete album. The twin guitar work is something else. Sometime World is a classic example that will leave other first time listeners open mouthed in appreciation. Thanks again. 👍
A very good choice. Lovely harmonies and killer twin guitars,
Martin Turner’s bass is absolutely killer, it drives this whole album.
This is a seminal work of art, a rock album of true brilliance.
Bit late watching this vid but his bass is great isn't he album in that you can hear it and it isn't just simple 1 note per bar stuff but quite rich melodies in its own right.
The song "Sometime World" on the same album as mentioned in other comments, is absolutely awesome... and really worth checking out.
This is actually my least favourite song on Argus, the album's that good. Do yourself a favour, Justin, and just go through the whole damn thing. You won't find much overall change, though, this is a guitar album through and through. :D
Outside this album, try "Phoenix" from their debut.
Phoenix is a great track - it got lots of airplay.
It's actually my favorite song on the album. That opening is one of the most amazingly emotional intros I've ever heard. Wish it was longer.
many consider "Argus" to be the best album of Wishbone Ash. I (Jeanine) consider "New England" to be their best one. the double lead guitar is what made Wishbone Ash stand out, and they were one of the big live acts of the 70s. they made many good albums in the 70s, including the excellent live album "Live Dates"
Yep ... New England just edges it for me too
I think you may just go to the next track in the album, "Sometime World," it's one of my favorites from them, with beautiful melody and bass-dominated crescendo (and also great guitar solos, of course)
There are definitely better songs on the album, Sometime World and The King Will Come are especially good.
Even now I recommend Argus to everyone who hasn’t listened to it. I knew you’d pick up on Andy Powell. The two lead guitars were groundbreaking and influenced so many bands going forward. The whole album is classic guitar rock and every song is good especially ‘the king will come’ and ‘throw down the sword’.
Listen to the album wishbone ash
Wishbone Ash didn't invent the twin lead guitar sound, but they did do it better than any other band. Classic early 70's melodic English rock at it's best. Their early albums are truly special. Love Wishbone Ash!!!
To hear the beginning of the "twin lead guitars" (in Classic Rock music), one must begin in the US on June 20, 1966:
ua-cam.com/video/Uq0aeEYLkIE/v-deo.html
"The song was written mainly by John Lennon and credited to Lennon-McCartney. The recording features an extended dual-guitar melody, played by George Harrison and Paul McCartney, which anticipated the harmonised guitar arrangements commonly used by Southern rock, hard rock and heavy metal bands."
"The twin lead-guitar approach replaced the Rickenbacker jangle from the first version, and the vocal arrangement was pared down to feature mainly Lennon.[34] Harrison and McCartney used their Epiphone Casinos for the lead-guitar lines."
Yep.
I really appreciate that you choose music that isn't all over the internet reaction genre. This was a go-to guitar band when I was young... great memories
Good introduction to the twin guitars of Wishbone Ash. The self titled 1st album is another good one, but it's their 1974 release "There's the Rub" that is still solid from start to finish!!! A good one to explore latter JP.
You should listen to The King Will Come! Exquisite intro. Or Warrior, my second favourite from Argus. Cheers!
Martin Turner (ex Wishbone Ash) should be given credit for Argus.
You could go further in Wishbone Ash's discography because their albums with Laurie Wisefield (replacement for Ted Turner in 1974) are also very interesting.
Try the following songs:
- "F.U.B.B." from: There's the Rub (1974)
- "Outward Bound" from: New England (1976)
- "The Way of the World" (Live 1978) from: Live Dates Volume Two (which contains songs recorded in concert between 1976 and 1980)
- "Lifeline" from: Just Testing (1980)
- "Number the Brave" from: Number the Brave (1981 with John Wetton on bass)
First time hearing this song, I thought it was pretty good! I don’t think I’ve ever requested anything on your channel, I’d love to see you check out Dark Matter by Porcupine Tree!
Agree re Dark Matter
Wishbone Ash brilliant band, spot on with Andy Powell (not to forgetTed Turner), you really do pick some good stuff mate!
Dude, listen to Wishbone Ash's "The Pilgrim." One of the most badass songs of all time.
Thanks. “Argus” is a killer album. As some have mentioned below. check out “Sometime World”.
Before your comments : This is also one of my favorite album and as williamgeorgefraser said, all songs are classics. I never knew were to classify this band, is it prog ? No keyboards but these beautiful duelling guitars. And the bass, so melodic, a third melodic line. This rocks… and the lines are not that complex (I could play all bass lines, but they just are superb).
After your comments: I'm not sure Andy Powell was the lead guitar all through the song. It seems to me that what made the specificity of WA, was they had two lead guitarists that played responding one to the other. Lead vocals and bass is Martin Turner. For me he is the main act of the band. Comparing Powell to Gilmour is not fair. I think WA was successfull from 1971 on, before Gilmour was in Pink Floyd. If you want to listen more of WA, continue with this album it is really their best one. Thank you again Justin.
Wishbone Ash produced a lot of great music, but I always found them to be a better live band. If you want to get a sense of what they are really capable of, I would suggest doing their "Live Dates" release.
Come on man, do some more Wishbone Ash!
I love their album There’s The Rub. All there stuff is good but that one always seems to draw me to it.
Wow so awesome to see someone listen to Wishbone Ash. Was my dad's favorite band. They deserve more attention.
A saddest set hearing studio.....change it....... foliowing track list.. .
Handy..... wishbone
The way of the world... wishbone
FUBB....wishbone Ash
Mean Town blues,Rock roll,highway 61, Johnny Winters & live +Captured live
Next up from this album: "Blowin' Free," an FM radio staple back in the early/mid '70s.
One of my favourite bands back in the 70s, they never became as successful as I thought they deserved. Perhaps they were too proggy for the heavy rock crowd and not proggy enough for the prog crowd. But I just love the twin lead guitar sound which was quite innovative for the time. The whole Argus album is great and well worth listening too.
Steve Hunter -
"Perhaps they were too proggy for the heavy rock crowd and not proggy enough for the prog crowd."
That is a very astute observation, and I think that is the only explanation for why they did not have a larger success! And yet, at the same time, it doesn't make sense why that would have been the case, considering that most people my age were/are huge fans of "hard rock" AND of "progressive rock" at the time.
But still, I like your assessment!
@@MissAstorDancer True, and it was certainly true for myself. Most prog fans were also into heavy rock, although I knew a number of heavy rock and heavy metal fans who didn't like prog.
One of my favourite albums of all time.
Their songs Handy & Phoenix from their debut album from 1970 are both great guitar-driven songs, doubling guitars wonderfully in the 10 minute opening instrumental part.
Eric Clapton & duanne Allman jam
I m going Home.....10 years after Woodstock
Wang Dang sweet poontag.....live Gonzo
Beyond the universe.....Derringer Live
Ted Nuggent. ..live Gonzo (Masterpiece)
Argus is a fantastic album, so glad to see somebody reacting to it. You're one of two or three people I've seen do it. Such a shame that more folks aren't aware of Wishbone Ash.
Great band and track saw them live a few years back with Deep Purple and Uriah Heep on the same bill what a night that was for an old rocker like me
WE Know who is Andy Powell Justin ! since 1970 in fact. And he still kicks around.
You will find that in Wishbone Ash - there are usually "guitar duals" where 2 solo guitars make a dialog.
This reaches its apogee in "PHOENIX".
And yes, you may recognise a "Pink Floyd" sound - but mainly this is due to hardware being the same in those days.
Your next WishTrack could be PHOENIX (it should be at one point)
Sheer genius! My first live band. Though they didn't play the acoustic intro on stage - check out the version on Live Dates.
My favorite part was that beautiful intro. Shocked to hear this was voted best album that year, beating out Close to the Edge.
Gee, another album that I have to listen to. I'm gonna be dead before I listen to all the music I've yet to listen to, lol
Katatonia - Decima
Estrum - All I Need
Anathema - Flying
Klone - Immersion
Aaaah I love this album!! More so than the guitar, vocal melodies are what carry the song for me on this one. Also, prolly my least favorite song on the album. 😄Excellent album from start to finish though. Would love for you to do the whole thing.
Time Was, my favourite never was. The King Will Come, Leaf and Stream, Warrior, Throw Down The Sword are the big hitters on this album, for me.
Vas Dis FUBB Ballad of the Beacon Queen of Torture Silver Shoes Sometime World
My favorite album of all time...just keep in mind most of vids on youtube use the 2002 Martin Turner remix (inferior IMHO). You really have to search to find the original mixes. I found them on Avixz channel.
Wiki says the other lead guitarist Ted Turner was named in Rolling Stone's 'Top Twenty Rock Guitarists of All Time',
As I said on "Sometime World" a great album. There is a strange mix in the themes on this album. You have songs on self reflection. Then there is another theme at the end of the album about a medieval battle with "The King Will come", "Warrior", and "Throw Down The Sword"
Now you have put a foot in the door of Wishbone Ash - you can't go back to what you were before - your next step is "PHOENIX" - from same band.
I agree that the song isn't great. the song of theirs that did it for me is 'Error of My Ways.' That's work checking out. Excellent harmony singing, and sounds very traditional english/celtic.
To be clear...Wishbone Ash was a guitar band. And as a guitarist..I appreciate the dual leads of Powell and Turner. If you were looking for a prog sound like Genesis or Yes...you won’t find it here. Personally, I learned pentatonic leads from these guys during long nights at sea on the USS Forrestal in 73-74. Take some time and listen to the album on your own. I don’t know. Maybe you need to ne a guitarist to appreciate them.
Wishbone Ash - LP Pilgrimage - Vas Dis ( instrumental ) ! ! !
Listen to "Blowin Free" on Argus.........mesmerizing guitar and vocals. Wishbone Ash never got the recognition they deserved, but they pretty much invented the duo lead guitar sound.
I am unfamiliar with WA other than ARGUS, but I wore ARGUS out in HS. Great LP. Can’t think of any song on ARGUS that I don’t still love.
I agree, not such a strong track. I think you would really appreciate the dynamics of 'Phoenix'.
The story goes, in 1970, Wishbone Ash opened for Deep Purple. While Purple’s guitarist Ritchie Blackmore warmed up on stage during a sound check, Andy Powell walked onstage and began jamming with Blackmore. Richie was impressed with Andy & recommended the band to his record company. I saw them @ Carnegie Hall, NYC as a warm up to "Savory Brown" (another great band) & they were as good as Savory Brown, two of the greatest british blues-rock bands of that time, very technique driven with great stage presence.
Never even heard of this band. Interesting - I like it. I have a request (I’ve never mentioned) - love to hear your thoughts on a song by the band Prefab Sprout. I’d choose “Looking for Atlantis” off their LP “Jordan: The Comeback.” But you get loads of requests I see.
Definitely recommend Phoenix from their first album.. The 18 minute !! :) , Live Dates version is as good as it gets honestly .. By the way I saw most of the ''top'' bands in the 70s , & they were without a doubt the best live band I ever saw , amazing musicians .
Always appreciate your in depth analysis. I'm not super familiar with Wishbone Ash, other than a friend who turned me on in 1972 to the Pilgrimage album (which I believe was the album before this one), and a couple songs here and there. IMO, "Time Was" just didn't do anything at all for me. Overall, I think Wishbone Ash's instrumentation / guitars are stronger point, with so-so vocals. I also caught myself comparing (some drum fills sounded similar) to my favorites by them: "The Pilgrim" (which has some amazing guitar riffs, first half is slower, then they go into a manic 7/4 beat for 2nd half) and "Vas Dis" (which has more amazing guitar work, and the vocal doubling the guitar riff for a great effect), so please check out if you are able. Thanks!
I know the Wishbone Ash name, but never dove in back in the day.
I'm actually more familiar with the Argus album cover than the band. :)
Glad you mentioned the cover Lwize. Does anyone know what the Roman soldier is looking at? I can say the reissued lp in the 80’s was censored regarding the back cover.
@@shyshift I googled the cover - he appears to be looking in the distance down a mist-covered valley.
Lwize look up about 40 ft. from the scale and perception of the soldier. Do you see anything that shouldn’t be there?
@@shyshift UFO's are common in the valley. He's actually ignoring it by looking slightly to the left of it.
Same!
Wishbone Ash was and is a guitar driven band. They were one of the first bands to have two lead guitarists. They have one of the best rock live albums.
The complexity of their harmony lead guitar parts trumps any of today's harmony riffs. This was one of the best guitar based rock albums ever made. Still sounds current Today 50 yrs later!
I sat down very patiently one day back in the 70's and worked out the acoustic intro for this song, which was really tough moving the needle back and forth on the turntable. The main rhythm guitar section though was mind numbingly boring, but god I still love those lead guitar licks. Blowin Free was so easy and popular, if you went into a guitar shop at the time, it would be 50/50 if some kid would be playing the intro to that or Smoke on the Water. Some guitar shops even banned the playing of both 😁 For more sophisticated guitar playing I highly recommend their album Front Page News.
Nice NICE comments!
Funny story, I didn't much care for this song the first time I heard it. Then it popped into my head months later, so I went back to it and loved it. It creeps up on you.
I'll have to give it another shot soon!
You've been spoilt -- by Genesis. ;)
Probably right!
Never was into this band, but I always love reading about band histories regardless. Just recently read this.
web.musicaficionado.com/main/article/the_wishbone_ash_story_by_jimallen
Thank you for that link!!!!!
Agree, nice tune, like the guitar as well, enjoyed the reaction.
Pretty good a few minutes in. That lead guitar reminds me of Mountain - Nantucket Sleighride uses a similar guitar style.
A really pleasant dip into Wishbone Ash. I have heard some of their stuff, ( no recollection of this track), but they are obviously worth a re visit.
A really good album for lovers of guitar lead and long instrumentals (me). All the songs have personality.
I was watching stuff on youtube and got your notification for this great tune!
This is a really nice tune, from an really GREAT album!
I hope you will PLEASE also do a reaction to "The King Will Come" from this album! Great song, with another really interesting intro and a great transition into the main part of the song! Very proggy!
This entire album deserves reactions! Every song on this album is excellent! This will always be one of those albums that I will listen to from start to finish EVERY time.
I saw them in concert one time in the early to mid '70s, and it was absolutely stunning!
Thanks for the honest reaction and analysis!
;)
He’s still playing I just saw him a few months ago and Wishbone Ash is still touring and they’re playing too large venues in Europe and they still rock the house
How about some American prog: Spock's Beard: start with The Light. Other great ones; The Doorway, Thoughts pt. 2, Harms Way, Skeletons at the feast ....
I saw them recently Andy is still with the band and you're right about the build up. If the audience knows the 'routine' their boogie number "Blowing Free" usually gets a 5 4 3 2 1 countdown lead by Bob Skeat their current bassist into the blistering dual guitar section. Bloody brilliant. I recomend looking at one of the You Tube videos of the original line up live, it helps the appreciation of the way the two guitarists (Andy Powell and Ted Turner) trade solos.
Saw Wishbone Ash in late 70s. Great show.
Then saw them maybe 10 years ago at a very small bar with maybe 200 people. Jazzbones in Tacoma.
(my entire video is on my channel).
And they were still just as good as ever ! And very gracious people. And they bought drinks. ;-)
A great LP for sure.... Wishbone Ash's LP's are pretty strong right up to the lat 70's... There's the Rub ? is my fave though....
Always a good play in the early 70's as a whole album and a good live band.
This was the only good album of the band as they moved towards pub-rock in their later albums. But Argus holds it's place in one of the best albums of 1972. The best song of the album is The King Will Come.
Argus is a great album. My favorite album from them along with their self titled debut.
went to school with Andy Powell. Played in the same football team as him. average player great guitarist
!! Heard this maybe 3 times, most recently 2 months ago. Didn't like it, now it's OK! Really think need to re-listen more...
Spare us please from this' heavy metal' catalogue! Wishbone ash were a progressive rock band and Ted turner was equally the motor!
The thing about Wishbone is they have a folky element? Wonderous
I personally prefer the before Progish albums of theirs. Love this song, and I love Prog. but their hard rockers like Lady Whiskey and Blind Eye are just so freakin good.
Great band!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Always known for their twin lead guitars. Ted Turner was equally as good as Andy.
This song was also my introduction to Wishbone Ash, I knew I had to change my way of living and hearing this was the rocketship for transition.
Gotta tell you that Andy Powell was not the only lead, and rhythm guitarist in Wishbone Ash. Ted Turner also played lead & rhythm guitar. In fact, they would switch back and forth and were famous for playing their guitars in harmony with each other. The bassist and lead singer of the band, Martin Turner carried this band. So when you say that you think Andy Powell is the driving force to this song, listen again.
My intro to this band was via Renaissance. Andy Powell guested on Ashes are Burning which was a favourite track of mine in the 70's. When I got around to listening to Argus I was expecting more of a Renaissance sound. The two groups also had producer Miles Copeland in common. So my impression of Wishbone Ash was - disappointing. Hasn't changed. Not that it's bad, it's just a bit ---- boring.
Not the first Wishbone Ash song I would chosen for you to hear. I would have pointed you to either "Handy" or "Phoenix" off their first, self titled, album. Not a bad song but you could have done better though it is the guitar you are there for with these guys.
It has been a long time since this review. Did you ever get back to listen to them again?
As always, a great review. Thanks.
Funny. I had always been far more impressed with Martin Turner's bass playing+vocals on this song. When/if you see a live performance of this, you'll see what I mean. Andy Powell's certainly a good enough lead guitarist, but he never stood out to me as being exceptionally better than all the other lead guitarists around at the time. IMO, he was only barely better than the _other_ lead guitarist in the band at that time, Ted Turner. What _did_ impress me was how Andy & Ted played harmonizing chords & competently switching leads with each other in most songs. That was nice and it stood out. And yeah, I saw them twice around 1973-74 in Tampa, Fla. and was a Big Fan.
An unabashed and unapologetic guitar driven band, sometimes that's enough. The one critics knock on wishbone ash is that they seemed to waffle between being a spacey prog-folk band and proto-metal. In short, they didn't fit neatly into someone elses box. I loved Argus but Four is generally their best regarded album.
Yes, Sometime World elevates the album 100% onwards, I'd say that's a better introduction, Time Was isn't bad but the rest of the album is better, quite a gamble to put it at the start of their album.
Not a bad song. And to me Wishbone Ash is not a bad band either. Just, for me, not as spectacular as Genesis, Yes or Pink Floyd and quite a few others. Argus and Live Dates are the albums I have. Where Live Dates has pretty much all the good songs from Argus on it as well. Doesn't get much playing time anymore though. I got a solo album from Martin Turner, founding member of Wishbone Ash, "Written In The Stars" and thought that was an enjoyable listen.
When Argus was first released this was my favorite tune. What good times they were.
They don't make my ears prick up. It's all quite inoffensive and forgettable. Vocals are weak. The beginning of the song sounds like a completely different number. Generic American style rock played by Brits with impressive flourishes but never really takes off. To put into perspective how staid this is, it's 1972, Genesis released Foxtrot, Floyd have already produced Atom Heart Mother and Echoes, Yes were producing Close to the Edge. Blue Oyster Cult play this style loads better and with humour.
They changed the album cover from the original.same front but it use to open up the Centurian on the front is looking down upon a valley practically covered in fog on the back and in the fog you can just make out a spacecraft which he is above and looking down on it. Am amazed nobody ever mentions Mark upton the drummer listen how he keeps the time. Every beat they use for when to start and stop.
Oh dear JP, its twin lead guitars, half of the lead you're hearing is Ted Turner. One of their notable innovations was both playing the same notes - but one an octave higher.
Hi Justin, Did you know that Wishbone Ash had twin lead guitarists that used to play a lot of the lead parts together, the other one was Ted Turner.
Two for Friday, rock on!
btw Ted Turner was the other guitarist that shared lead duties and both would exchange solos on time was live. Both guitarists are superb.
This one reminds me of meeting someone for the first time. Hypnotic stuff.