The REAL REASON Tyrael Can't Help Fight Diablo? Diablo 2 Resurrected Explained
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2021
- Tyrael, the ArchAngel of Justice is a formidable Warrior for the High Heavens, in the Eternal Conflict, slaying inumerable demons with his Mighty El’Druin.
In humanity's own War against evil, he appears as their greatest advocate, much to the dismay of much of his Angelic Brethren, who ardently oppose Sanctuaries very existence.
Yet, since we meet the then bound angel in Diablo 2, he does not directly help the hero, instead merely guides.
Which Begs the question, why? It seems such a waste of Heavens Champion to sit idle as mankind suffers?
Who is secretly stopping Tyrael's attempt to fight the forces of Hell, alongside the heroes of Diablo 2?
What made the two Evils Diablo & Baal choose not to Kill a decidedly defeated Tyrael, but instead allow their sworn enemy and angel to live, after their close encounter in Tal Rasha's tomb?
Why does Tyrael recruit a hapless Marius, a non combatant to destroy Baals Shard of Destruction & entrust the diminutive rube with the fate of all of humanity?
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Let's just take a moment to appreciate that Tyrael was always somewhat distorted and shimmering in the D2 cinematics, despite other beings appearing clear and sharp. It really reinforced the lore that the angels were beings made of light and sound rather than flesh and blood, and gave him an otherworldly aura.
Contrast that with the appearance of the angels in D3, where they mostly appear as clearly defined corporeal beings with a sense of weight to them.
It's the small details like this! I was having similar thoughts throughout the video too. Honestly, Tyrael could not be more epic than his appearance in D2 - that final scene always gives me shivers because he's just so fucking cool :D
D3 was disappointing
@@julianthethief as everything else blizzard has released the past many years.
there was an ethereal feeling that angels in d2 gave out- almost haunting. the angels in d3 were just kinda corny and lame to be honest.
To me, the only Diablo canon is D1 and D2+LoD. That's it.
I can't be the only one that wants a Diablo: animated series, the Eternal Conflict.
I'll take any timeline!!
It would be awesome Dreka as long as it doesn't have any politically correct crap or WOKE messaging instead of just a great show about the lore of Diablo. Something so simple is so hard to do anymore.
A diablo 1 horror anime would be cool
I’d love anything at this point. Live action would be fkin awesome
Live action is good too
Tyrael's arrival at the tomb where Diablo was about to free Bael is one of the best video game cutscenes ever.
"The beast contained herein shall not be set free! Not even by YOU"
I fucking love that line. You can practically taste the absolute righteous authority by justice incarnate.
So the Prime Evils didn't kill Tyrael to keep it low, but In the end (of LoD) Tyrael sacrificed his own embodiment when he destroyed the corrupted Worldstone. It took 20 years or so for him to rematerialize a new body just to be 'judged' by Imperius in D3 and Tyrael forsook his immortality that day.
I can't wait to watch Diablo fighting tyreal in remastered
Same!
The more I think about the logistics of Marius post-tomb, the more I feel like that's one long and deep plothole. Jared forbade ships out of Lut Gholein until we finished Act 2. Our ship to the Docks of Kurast was possibly the first one from Lut Gholein to Kurast since the troubles began in the desert. The Dark Wanderer himself was just leaving the docks the same time we did, so he too probably arrived via boat... And Marius was close enough behind him to catch the three brothers reuniting. Did... we all come on the same boat or something?
Also, if Tyrial was expecting us earlier, he knew the player character was inbound when he confronted the Dark Wanderer in the Tomb. He could have told Marius to seek the Champion. Instead of sending him to Hell.
Maybe Marius left Lut Gholein in the last ship to Kurast before the prince order to retain the ships on the dock. However don't know why when Marius arrive to Mephisto Temple he found the Paladin (that has Diablo inside) already there since we found him as a Dark Wanderer just some minutes after we arrive into Kurast.
@The Monster Under Your Bed Didn't know that! All this year's I thought that it was the real Dark Wanderer. Can't wait to play DII Resurrected.
@The Monster Under Your Bed Are we sure of that actually? I always more assumed that the Dark Wanderer just teleported away and summoned the same creatures that came out in the intro. Teleportation and Phasing are spells we can learn in Diablo 1 from a book. No illusions though. And why would there be an illusion of the Dark Wanderer there? What's the strategic consideration that is better than the literal miles of hostile jungle that we are going to trudge through afterward?
@The Monster Under Your Bed I know it doesn't make sense, hence why I refer to it as a plothole. It is either this, or the assumption that five demons of the kind that we won't see again until Hell, that were seen in the intro of the game emerge when the Dark Wanderer summoned them, have been waiting on Sanctuary for the champion to exit the docks, for a long time.
Watch this and tell me if this looks like teleportation and summoning, or illusion-dispelling to reveal demons:
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@@lakdav the wanderer (or rather diablo) knew that he was being followed by tyrael aswell
it could've simply been a trap set to try and buy time, the game implies quite alot that the attacks don't occur when the wanderer arrives but rather when he leaves, almost no one would bother looking for/follow a random wanderer with everything going on, those that would are cain, his allies and tyrael himself
making an illusion that makes it look like you "just missed me" makes it so you are in abit less of a hurry, as you're not quite as far behind
Great video, Dash! Tyrael’s story arc reminds me a lot of Marvel’s Uatu, the Watcher. Once you commit your heart to a cause, or a people, noninterference is no longer sufficient.
Blessings and well-wishes to you and the community!
Well, the case is simpler: loot and xp. Lol. I don't need any archangel wanting to steal the prominence and rewards of adventures even if the hero fails or dies in his/her own journey.
In Act 4 of Diablo 3, the angels and demons fight each other and do little damage to each other. They are no more powerful than the common person when it comes to fighting demons.
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You deserve more views and subscribers man. Good job
Thank you!!
Hope the D2R Beta will be avaible soon, I can't wait!
I think just over a month or so
August for pre-order, early September for everyone
Beta coming in August. Yep, can't wait 💪🙌
I love when scene of Threal saying whatever the words are , wish it had a translation, then throws the sword into the world stone. I love how beautiful his wings are but I wish they would have left them more full like they were in the original D2
I love when colonel Campbell is the narrator.
I wonder what exactly Marius' mission would have been if he'd attempted it, Tyrael's instructions were kind of vague and rushed. Did he have to take the soulstone all the way to the hell forge, battling hell's forces himself? Seems unlikely to work out at all. If the Act 3 portal leads directly to the refuge with Tyrael and Jamella, maybe his mission would have been complete then, and that's as far as he needed to get it. At the point, maybe the passage to Kurast was still open and the people there uncorrupted.
I always felt that Marius chickened out because he'd seen the forces of hell and was too scared to make the journey alone. What if his fears were all non-issues at the time, and he'd have been perfectly safe? How far did he make it before checking himself into the asylum or wherever Baal finds him?
Azmodan and belial would have easily followed through with tyraels plan to smash the worldstone as they hated and exiled the prime evils. Then Marius would have been tortured for all eternity. The only impossible part of tyraels mission is descending through the temple of light. Which somehow Marius did in the cinematic.
@@jameskillbot2867 That part is not impossible as I hate to say it but most of humanity and this includes Marius are seen as little more than ants if even that scurrying about, if Tyrael used a bit of his power or one of the Prime Evils had hidden or made the soulstone invisible to others senses he could have easily made the trip, who would suspect a person like Marius of having such a mission, outside those that already knew.
Go to Vatican in rome and try to get to the relics in the basement. I’ll wait.
The reason I saw was he was there when the portal opened, Diablo and Baal left but Mephisto stayed there until the main character gets there. I don't think there is any way Marius walks past Mephisto into that portal without instantly dying or being captured and taken to Baal directly.
Marius is Frodo
I was about to sleep, but then I saw this in my home page 😂
I don't know how true this is, but the Angels might know if an Angel dies (especially one of Tyrael's caliber). IIRC their essence returns to the Crystal Arch, to be remade into a new Angel. All out war would be disadvantageous to Hell's divided forces, even without an Archangel of Justice.
Good stuff as always.
Kadala saw this as a wee lass and just fell in love with the color of these blood shards.
Tyrael is just as useless as Raiden from Mortal Kombat
I hear Christopher Lambert saying "I don't think so" in my head...
@@DarkLOREDash my thoughts exactly
@@AncestorEmpireGaming Good comparsion point.
You mean imperius
"I must consult the council"
When Baal kills Marius Marius is like, “ what have I done to deserve this? What have done?” Oh I don’t know.. you done fucked up.
15:23 anyone else happen to hear a Protoss Probe?
In a way, I dont consider him choosing or trusting Marius, it was a decision of need, he had to hold off baal if possible, and if he had kept the soul stone, when baal won, he would of taken it. By giving it to Marius, it would prevent this, in the event he loses, which he clearly does. He told him what to do with it, but he didnt say he and only he could do it.
Nice work dude
before watching the video i know the answer. First long cinematic in D3. Tyrael said angelic law is making them idle.
Where's the initial animation from?
Diablo Wrath
I've never fully understood the cinematic where Marius pulls out the soul stone. Is that Baal imprisoned there? For some reason I thought it was Tal Rasha but that also makes no sense to me. Can somebody please explain?
The horadrim couldn't imprison Baal in a soulstone because during their fight with him, Baal shattered the stone. Tal rasha then opted to take the largest chunk and trap Baal- but also have the Horadrim chain him to a binding stone where he would wrestle with Baal forever as they inserted the stone into Tal Rashas chest
Baal's soulstone contains a part of his essence, but not the whole thing (unlike the other intact stones). Tal Rasha's own body + the broken soulstone were sufficient enough to contain all of Baal's essence, but Tal Rasha himself would have to endure Baal's will for eternity, aided by the magic of the binding runes beside him.
So the physical being who is imprisoned is Tal Rasha, who is possessed by Baal, who has mentally overpowered Tal Rasha's will by this point but is unable to escape from the binding spells. By pulling the stone out of Tal Rasha's chest, Baal's essence is no longer fully contained within the binding spell and that somehow allows him to exploit some sort of magical loophole in order to physically escape from the bindings that are holding Tal Rasha's now-possessed body.
@@-Keith- thanks everyone. It still seems very weird and clunky but in a good way. Very Lovecraftian! I could never work out why Tal Rasha had Baals long appendages. I guess that's part of the possession. Quality video by the way!
I always understood the soulstones as needing a human/bodily host to suppress the prime evils within as they were not strong enough on their own to contain such evil as they had become corrupted. Initially they might have been strong enough, but Izual tells us that he betrayed Sanctuary by telling the prime evils how to corrupt the stones to their will. Perhaps the Horadrim realized that they would now need a willing human host to contain the stone and be forever imprisoned. We saw what became of Aidan and how the stone, even combined with the righteous warrior's body, could not suppress Diablo's corruption indefinitely.
@@D2FFDK The horadrim never figured out that the prime evils knew how to corrupt the soulstones, they had disbanded due to infighting long before anyone became aware of that. It was dumb luck that Baal's soulstone was broken in the fighting to capture him, leading to the idea to trap him in a willing person.
Are angels similar to demons where they "respawn" after they are killed? If so, it makes more sense to bind Tyrael instead of killing him - similar to why many tried to bind the Prime Evils to the soulstones.
Angels do essentially "respawn" as their demonic counterparts do. However, typically when an angel is killed a new angel is formed from the Crystal Arch, the angel is an entirely different being - different name, personality, everything. When demons are reborn they retain their original being.
where are the animated scenes from?
I wonder if he could have empowered the stone with his angelic power to force it to change
How come Tyrael has limited time when he manifests in Sanctuary when Inarius would just chill in Sanctuary with Lillith?
Well they did create Sanctuary maybe they had some spell to just stay there. Its a great question though.
World Stone is the answer.
Inarius (and Lilith) had hold of it.
Inarius conveniently bound himself to the Worldstone, granting him some pretty awesome powers, but it wasn't enough godlike powers of nephalem Uldyssian and also his own mental issues.
Who's reading the book at 3:55? He's in D2 as well but I don't know who he is
Just the narrator, also the voice was aldaris in star craft
When are you going to continue with the Daggerfall story?
So good thanks lore Dash am so happy 😁
I can't wait to see the new d2 cinematics
Do you talk with this voice all the time or is it just for narrating?
Narrating. My normal voice kicks in halfway thru when I forget I'm meant to be imitating the Warrior
@@DarkLOREDash fair enough, you do an excellent job on your videos but the "stoned surfer dude vocal fry" is a bit grating, (particularly after 4 + hours) as a fellow Aussie if you talk in your normal voice to compare the differences in your videos would be awesome.
I would like to hear you reading Warhammer lore. Cool voice
Tyrael would have been An amazing replacement for the Templar
how did Marius pass through travincial?
The wanderer
What I still don't understand is why Tyrael didn't kill Marius. Tyrael showed that he had the power to stop, or greatly slow time, and jump instantly to Marius and pick him up...soooo why didn't he just do that when he touched the stone toss him into the lava and be like "sorry I shouldn't kill humans but you were about to destroy the entire world so" then bamf back over and stab Diablo game ends. Instead he gets destroyed by Diablo and Baal in extremely weakened forms then proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the game yet everyone revers him as one of the most amazing characters in Dibalo. Tyrael is the Boba Fett of Diablo 😂
I thought that was just Tyrael appearing in his mind
@@blizardfan4229 I imagine if he is strong enough to project himself physically into his mind and obliterate the world stone he could stop a human from touching a stone even if he's in the middle of a fight.
@@ragekage20 Fair enough. Even though, I wonder how much time had passed between him being freed and him destroying the world stone. Like, did he have time to collect his energy, or was he running low on fuel
All Tyreal is good for us talking alot
"oh hey look a chained up zombie looking thing with a crystal sticking out of its chest, how about I just walk up and pull it out"
I just don't understand how he survived baal and diablo in act2 movie
Baal and diablo are quite weak at that point
And of course, in D3 Act 3, he boasts about missing the feeling of battle, etc., however, when he joins as a temporary follower, he can't even kill little Fallen mobs when using his 'badass' sword. It's so funny to watch him struggle to against such weak creatures, while the PC mows them down with ease. He is markedly weak compared to Imperious, at least in D3.
At about 4 minutes in and the colonel starts telling me about prime evils and all I can think of is "damn the Patriots have been around for a while, huh?"
“YOU CANNOT JUDGE ME IMPERIOUS, FOR I AM JUSTICE INCARNATE.” 🤟
I really hope the remaster does the pre-Act 3 cinematic justice (lol). I always wondered how the Dark Wanderer could hold Tyrael off for so long, and how/why Tyrael loses his sword isn't well-shown in the original...
Wasnt tyreals sword named Azurewrath?
No, that was Izuals
Seems like quite the plot hole. Inarius was able to wave heaven for more than a night at a time..
But why didn’t Tyreal just kill the dark wanderer with the same level of ferocity we saw him fight with during the eternal conflict? Tentacle wings, flight, a powerful sword, and eons of combat experience and all he can do is toss the wanderer around a bit and outright miss hitting him with the sword.
Probably because they were possessed by a greater demon
But to miss entirely? Not even landing a single hit? The dark wanderer wasn’t moving superhumanly fast or anything
plot armor
Wanderer was a high level warrior and Diablo was piloting him so maybe he was a tougher nut to crack than he appeared to be.
This is probably me being an idiot, but what good would it of been if Marius had gone through the hell gate an destroyed Baals soulstone? without Baal actually being defeated an then his soul imprisoned in his soulstone it would of been little more then an important shiny gem? An Baal would of been able to return as the thing that would imprison his soul would of already been destroyed.
i mean, to be honest, the anwser "why did tyrael entrust marius with baals soulstone" is pretty obvious. while he as an archangel was undoubdetly powerful even with his limited time on sanctuary, and both diablo and baal were still weakened (diablo still having to use the body of the wanderer rather than his own true form, baal having been just released and probably also weakened from his very long fight with tal rasha) it was still 2 vs 1. realistically even 2 rather weak people can take out 1 pretty strong fighter, if they've got the right tactics, and i'd be suprised if two of the literal prime evils did not have a vast, almost infinite knowledge of combat tactics.
tyrael obviously would have realized that immediately due to his own almost limitless knowledge so then, with no one else around except marius, there simply was no other way for him than to entrust marius with the stone and hope he would be strong enough to actually do as he was told.
The real reason now is he can't stay connected to the servers
In the book Tyrael tried to destroy Uldyssian ul-Diomed I dont gforget
My question is, what happened to Tyrael between Diablo 2 and 3? He obviously didn't die... did he just wind up back in Heaven, or...?
tl;dr Tyrael got stuck on Act 2 because Duriel's cold aura is annoying
Tyrael couldn't land a hit in a unarmed dark wanderer.
If Tyrael helped fighting Diablo, the battle would be way too easy.
am i crazy or is that ben ten grandpa maxs voice
Nailed it
just so everyone knows, at 5:00 when he's reading the book from the sanctuary , the real tomb of that game specifically would have been O (circle). just thought everyone needed to know that xD loool
New pandemonium event? The hero tries to kill Deckard Cane’s annoying ass but Tyrael intervenes?
Its all because he don't have a phone...
Both Diablo and Baal were in weak physical states.You even said it yourself “Diablo,in his weakened wanderer state”.I think your overthinking things.Baal,with Tal Rasha’s entombed body gripped tyreal right before the scene ended,with the scene also ending with baal shooting the other tentacles at tyreal.It’s cleared that he subdued tyreal with the tentacles and binded him to the stone with Magic.Baal,also is a fantastic user of magic.On top of things,believing 5% power Diablo and 5% power baal could have outright killed 100% power tyreal,even with tyreal being restrained is unreasonable.
Humans were offspring of the nephylim which is still OP AF.
-Angels couldn't beat Diablo and his boys in millenniums, but supposedly three randys managed to sterilise demons FoB and make a fortune out of it in process (as if they were some pest control).
-As far as I know the only time reds managed to score pure win on humans was when they captured a bunch of peasants by surprise and the townsfolk were just to busy to assist the militia.
-When a tanned barely dressed girl with a stick can tank a couple of fireballs in the face and then take out raiding party and nulify the damage dealt by them by drinking some strong grass soup, I too would run away from that chick's personal vendetta on me.
-At worst bunch of goi managed to cleanse a fortress with full garrison and take out a top tier demon general... On the demon's land!
-The little guy in the intro was not running for his life. He was in a hurry to get the cups and plates back in kitchen and kick the demons out of his tavern with a broom or something. Pretty sure he hit his head when he fell and died of suffocating or something.
-Creatures that chad enough to not even think about demonic beasts every 30 meters outside the secure camps are just scairy to him at this point.
To my understanding, if people would come up with reliable way to travel between worlds, they would crusade both heaven and hell along with vast diversification of both world's gene pools (mongol style). If I were Tyrael, I too would both travel and act in secret. Other less polite people could catch me and use as some talkative lantern or something. It's much easier to ask weightlifter with an axe to kill my enemy to death rather then killing the horned bag youself. Pretty sure that world stone was made out of some U235 analogie or something and poor T destroyed it so that it would not fall in humanity's hands.
Why is he from another plane .. have you ever heard of the Christian religion?
Just coming off Mortal Kombat 9, 10, 11, Raiden is just as useless as Tyrael, they're both fulfilling the wise, old man archetype, but wth, they make the worst decisions.
"raspberries" Netherealm did Raiden dirty and the Evils have proven themselves to be cunning beyond measure. Tyriel is not at fault, he did everything right and still failed. There is a certain saying for that.
@@SuperLumianaire You know who's more useless than Raiden or Tyrael? Deckard Cain.
@@rollins4484 But he could throw down a mean rap. I mean, before he got killed by a butterfly.
@@-Keith- and he helped diablos vessel twice, heck he even raised one as his own.
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No more KOTOR content, my good sir?
I used to like Tyraels voice from Diablo 2 but I prefer Diablo 3's Tyraels Voice now
I still prefer the d2 classic Tyrael voice, with the ghostly reverb/echo.
D2 voice will always be the best actaully get a mysterious vibe from it
D3 voice just sounds like a mortal trying to be smart. Plus some lines are so fucken cringe!!! "Or wiLl hEee bEee OuR dOoOm"
@@DnosSFS Tyraels D2 voice sounds like hes missing his nuts compared to d3's lol
@@kyles8524 still sounds better to me, stick with your over compenstating d3 tyrael haha
@@DnosSFS dude how can the one be "CriNGe" and the d2's not? it's a game for edgelords, have you actually heard the lines they speak in this game its so over dramatic just listen to d1 outro wtf
Not hating the games they are great games but your just hating d3 because you're still butthurt that it isnt just d2 2.0
Where is God in all of this eternal conflict?
There is no god in diablo lore. There was very powerful and gigantic being in the beginning. The being removed all evil from it, now there are good and evil. They fought and both died. Heaven is made of body and soul of good side. Hell is made of body and soul of evil side.
the God name is Anu. he split his evil from his good side and both killed each other.
In another castle.
I got a simple answer.
Because he is black.
Just like goku cannot be white.
*and the red shirt dude can be off season april fool* I edited this because I forgot
:)
i know why he can't help, BECUZ HE IS JUST AN NPC
*im offended that tyreal said "she" and not "they"*