The Facebook Date That Ended In Murder | The Case of Eleni Topaloudi
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- When a seemingly harmless message turned into a deadly date, Eleni Topaloudi's story revealed the systemic misogyny deep-seated within the nation of Greece.
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00:00 Intro
01:05 Greece, Eleni Topaloudi
03:46 A Facebook Message...
04:58 An unexpected date
07:35 Silence
08:25 November 28th, 2018
09:55 Recalling the crime
12:47 Feeble attempts
14:14 Legal proceedings, systemic problems...
17:33 Remember Eleni
18:36 Outro
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Ted Bundy once said that people would accommodate him because they were “more afraid of being rude than dying.” If you feel you’re in danger, being rude can save your life.
I know there is a horrific built in precondition where you hesitate - I don’t know if I could fight someone- poke their eyes etc in defence. This big barrier is there
@@Warwck24 That's normal people's worst disadvantange against psychopaths
Self defense is also important when they start touching you physically. Being rude is when they start being demanding enough to a point where they stop caring about your boundaries. Leaving or stopping all contact is when you have that small hunch (no matter how small) thats makes you stand up and leave. Saying no means no, anyone who tells you other wise or ignores that command dont have good intentions and are there to do you no good, or cause u harm. Its absolutely ok to do all of those things above, with no fear of seeming like a "buzz kill" or an "uptight brat". If you think your life may be affected in the near future or in danger, anything is ok and useful.
Especially women have huge pleaser tendencies, sadly we learn from early on, that being patient, kind and helpful are amazing qualities, but evil and self centered people will take advantage of that.
@@takeachillpill606 Exactly. Trust your gut. God gave you that 6th sense when you may not consciously realize what’s going on. Use it.
Girls, boys, if you feel uncomfortable, dont worry about seeming rude. Trust your instincts - my heart breaks for dear soft and innocent souled victims 😢 so really sad
better to be rude and alive than polite and d3@d.
The issue is though that even if Eleni decided she didn't want to go the two men still could have just kidnapped her and assaulted her anyway. It's a terrible situation to be in because even if you say no or you go along with them, you could get hurt either way.
@@macachist Absolutely true because they've done it before and I really think they wouldn't take no for answer, I just can't understand why do such crime having enough money and good looking men.... So desperate to get laid or maybe they are just purely evil....😢
I appreciate you mentioning boys too - in my experience cultural conditioning means that men might be far less wary than they need to be sometimes. Whilst being wary may not prevent this crime, it could stop many others
@@jhay-peeorlina5013 At that point it's more of wanting to feel powerful. A lot of sexual assaults are because the perpetrator wants to overpower someone else.
This is why it's important to always meet in a public place on your first date. Don't enter their car, don't go to their home, don't follow them into a hotel, don't tell them your address and if something is sketchy, dip out. Even as a guy i follow these rules. It's unfortunate that the most friendly people are often too trusting. Poor girl, i hope she's in a better place now.
Exactly the processes I follow 💯💯
Yes, when I was dating, I always met in a public place. And it helped to open carry my pistol lol. I’d recommend getting a small handgun or mace as well to be extra careful. I hope the victim is resting in peace now.
You are absolutely right. I wrote a wall of text right before i read your posting about that. Its so avoidable, with the rules you mentioned. And those are easy rules... not hard to follow rules. And she was not stupid, she could know and understand those rules. Sure a lot of women dont think ''that this particular guy will be my killer this night'' ...and yes , in 99,999% cases they are absolutely right about that. But still: its not worth the 0,001 % risk. Espescially when the rules are such easy and not hard to follow. And there is only one life we all have... and its prescious, and not worth any risk ! Hell, i even never would go for a parachute-jump - its just not necessary... sure, in 99,999% of cases nothing happens. But i dont want to be that 0,001% case. Sure, if a airplane is about to crash, i would jump with a parachute... but thats it. There is no need to ''play games with risks''.
Unfortunately some people are naive and want to find love so bad that it has gotten them in situations that took their life 😔 taking every safety precaution is very important when meeting strangers even after a few dates
@@nycgirltee I absolutely agree with you. Wishes in general makes us naive.
I smiled immensely to hear that crimes were being committed against them in jail. The only justice.
Made me laugh so hard, bet it's a pain in the ass being in prison for them 🤣
Well, you know what they say. Do unto others. Serves them right
Yup! I read an article about how Alexander is repeatedly being raped and beaten..with his anal ring having severe damages - warmed my heart.
Sounds to me like they "asked for it." 😏
I heard they are wearing skirts now
If the person you're going on a date with can't meet you in a public setting, it's the biggest red flag. Plus, anyone who brings his friend with him on a date is another red flag and who knows the intentions of the person from that point on, which Eleni was an unfortunate victim of in the end. I could only imagine the fear she felt being with these two weird and sadistic monsters not knowing her fate.
I wouldn't say bringing a friend is suspicious, it's often a good idea for safety, but not meeting in a public setting is hella suspicious! Online dating is honestly kinda dangerous 😳
@@bbyjscx I think the commenter meant if you're a woman who shows up for a date and the man (who can more then likely already physically overpower you) brings along another male friend, that's a red flag for a potentially unsafe situation, especially in this case where they're driving her in a car and also took her to a private residence. You have to take the context of situations into consideration. If you're a woman, sure, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to bring a friend along, although that could make for an awkward date. A double date where you know one or both of the other couple is probably a more realistic idea.
Yeah, i get that, but to say anyone who brings a friend with them on a date is a red flag, is totally wrong imo. I agree that usually it is something that would be prior discussed and in this case for sure, it must of been unsettling, but not everyone who brings a friend is a red flag, wich is what op said :) :)
@Ann-Marie Paliukenas right o love
Or worse, realizing her fate for all those hours of abuse.
The irony of calling women emotional and irrational yet two dudes got their fee-fees hurt and decided to kill someone who rejected them.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Heartbreaking 😫
They're stereotypical incels. Complete failures at life and blame everything and everyone but themselves for their shortcomings. I'm so sorry for her and her family. This was difficult to watch.
@@heathbar8015 they are stereotypical Albanias.
Fucking exactly 🎯
Throwing someone's child away, someone's everything... heartbreaking.
😢😢😢rip young soul
Heartbreaking for a child to trust d3mons, her mom looks like a bull dagger. Gold figure.
If when I was single, a dude brought his friend right off, I’d assume he was either gay or planning an ambush. I’d leave immediately and never return. RIP Eleni. Poor girl, just looking for a life partner, the most natural thing for a young person.
Agreed. I feel for her. She was rather naive. In spite of that, those boys are scum of the earth and 100% responsible for what happened to her. I hope they rot in imprisonment.
why would a man bring a second man for an ambush? serial killers work alone and are strong enough to overpower a woman by themselves. why would a gay man plan a date with you? id think they wanted a 3some, esp if they met on a hookup app. it is weird and she should have never got in their car
@@carlholland3819 Dude, that's exactly what happened though lol they ambushed her when she declined their offer. I think they both came there with the intention of a threesome, but their egos were too big to accept her rejection. I think in the heat of the moment one of the men (probably Manoli) had the idea to attack her and struck, and the other man either had the same idea or was too chicken to stop him, and followed suit. Additionally, they're not serial killers, but there's been many cases of serial killers working together, so idk where you're coming from with that one
@@carlholland3819 Many many many people have accomplices during attacks. Men like using women as a lure as well (in other circumstances). These guys aren't serial killers they're serial rapists though from the sound of it.
Lol gay
"Not wanting to seem rude"--this really breaks my heart. Social conditioning fails yet another good person. Poor Eleni.
I’m going to teach my daughter to be rude to loser men like these
yep, the fact that those men did that to her despite her respect to them.
Women are conditioned to be nice and never question…
@@xoxogemvenus unfortunately true.
Yeah we're kinda screwed either way. If we're too polite and nice, we're leading men on and asking for it. If we say no, we're being bltches and men get angry.
These sort of "men" will take what they want either way. They are the problem.
Absolutely gut wrenching. The fact that she died slowly in shallow water while paralyzed, knowing that if she could only sit up she would be able to breathe. Rip Eleni 🕊 Fly high sweet girl.
Why spoil wtf
@@3EHs16iw0Me9ZPo Don’t read the comments…
@@jisu222 true i guess
Although it will never bring this fine girl back, the consolation is knowing her two attackers are being consistently tortured and brutalized in prison. I say, don’t kill them. Keep them alive, torture and maim them horribly.
Seriously cannot image. My heart breaks for her. That is absolutely disgusting and terrifying. My heart goes out to her family 🙏🏻💕
I am from Greece and the privilege that you mentioned almost blew the case. Parents are raising obnoxious children, in this case a monster son, that had the support of his parents and his grandmother throughout this murder. Poor girl, what a slow and painful death. And still in December of 2022 Eleni's family is in court against their killers who are relentlessly drag the case. Poor family and poor Eleni. The monsters really thought they would get away with it, especially the Greek guy.
Yep and other parents raise ignorant, foolish children who trust strangers.
This has been going on for some time. This guy could have learnt how to pronounce the simple words, Eleni & Aegean, among others, which no one has noticed, bizarrely. Greeks have never learnt how to use the present perfect continuous.
@@jonathancockerell-pu8sqwho tf cares about these things?
“She was clearly very uncomfortable with the situation, however, not wanting to seem rude…” is a recipe for disaster. As soon as you’re uncomfortable, get out of there whether it seems rude or not.
How do people KNOW that she did not want to be rude? Or if she was uncomfortable?? Were you there in the car with her? They made it up to make her look like holy Virgin 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately often more difficult than it seems, especially for people who are accustomed to being polite.
NEVER give out your address to someone you’ve never met, especially people online. And during dates it’s better to say you live with others, even if it’s a lie, and always let them know people are aware of where you are and are expecting you afterwards. You can never trust someone online, no matter how much you’ve talked over the years. Honestly every case like this breaks my heart, RIP Eleni 🌹
Seems like it should be common sense, right? I can't believe the stuff people put out there. 😊
Address is reason they got caught 😂 your IQ amazed me, if she meet them outside her case will never be solved
I don’t Trust Anything You’ve just Said…
Great advice.
It's sad that this needs to be explained and people just can't think about it for themselves 🤦♂️
As a greek girl, who was living on Rhodes when that awful murder took place, i couldn't thank you more for bringing this into the light. More people should remember Eleni. Never forget, and i really wish the worst to these monsters.
Femicide not being a crime in Greece????if I m not mistaken it would have been a crime 1000 yrs before it had been in the US and its wild west....maybe Adrian was joking
Absolutely ‼️
As a guy that’s done plenty of online dating, I’d rather be rude and leave a strange situation. The moment the guy tried switching dates with her, she should’ve ran like hell. And a date turning into a random friend joining is about the most shady thing. It’s a shame she lost her life all because of two narcissists.
Poor Eleni. She fought so hard to keep living and ultimately died a slow death 😥
I was in a similar situation, 1st date, surprised by his friend setting in the back seat!! I said that I need to use a rest room at a petrol station on the way, and rushed to call the police for help as I knew that they had a sinister plan for me! Thank God I got away! Never ever ride with strangers... always use your own car or transportation, tell someone, meet in a public place, may God protect you all ❤❤❤
thank God you got away! otherwise you might have been another stat
Public transport sounds better.Your own car is still dangerous if someone point a gun to your scull.Althought its a safer option than being in a strangers car.
I guess public transportation sounds better 👍
Totally agree. Never get in a car with a stranger. Meet in a public place and get to know someone well before you are alone with them
Good for you. Thank god you didn’t end up a victim.
You were right. The fact that they tried to paint Eleni in a negative light in order to save this horrible man actually pissed me off.
Thank God he was stopped, too bad they never bothered to convict him on all the other prior assaults, might have saved this poor woman. The thing I have noticed with these degenerates is that they never stop on their own. Once they get away with it the first time they keep going, getting bolder and bolder. Only a heft jail sentence or death stops them.
@Argania Spinosa the satanic was concerning about his reputation.
It's heartbreaking how many modern societies are so caked in aggressive misogyny.
You'd think we came a long way but sadly humans are the same as ever.
Thank you for saying the M word.
Right. If she'd of just taken it like a good girl she might still be here
if a woman is killed in a city its "because she's a woman" and "femicide" then its a major problem. But when many men are killed every year in the same city its just plain old murder.
Let their inbred genetics collapse on themselves and starve the gene pool in the meantime.
This is the most infuriating case I've seen on your channel. She died slowly and painfully, has been used for sexual purpurses and been accused to have "asked for it." On top of that they had the audacity to laugh in court and are able to live a free life eventually.
They didn't deserve to live. They weren't just spoiled and too dumb to clean properly. They even have been too stupid to kill her.
Eleni was so brave. May she rest in peace - a truly strong woman. She will be remembered!
Absolutely. RIP ELeni... 💕💕💕.
Ive already watched like a thousand crime stories. And the most important thing that Ive learn is to trust your gut feeling. If you feel hesitant or there is something wrong. DONT GO
This! I get so sick when something don’t feel right😭
I wouldn't even have got in the car, with any man I don't know. I don't even get in taxis.
One thing people need to remember is that just because the story is being narrated in a way that almost suggest that it's know how the victim felt or thought, realistically we dont know if those are true.
Realistically it's more possible that she didn't get any "strange feeling" until it was too late.
Agreed! I believe that is God warning you. When I was 7 I was walking a few houses up the street to my friends house and my dad thought I'd be fine as it was only a few houses up and there was a man on the opposite side of the road walking in my direction and soon as he saw me he stopped and stared, turned around and jogged up the street, crossed the road and then started walking towards me. The moment he stared at me and stopped I heard a voice in my head saying "he's coming for you" over and over. He tried so hard to convince me to go with him and I kept saying no, and he pulled out cookies and said here I'll give you these and I said ok and we started walking and he HELD MY HAND. And then my gut was SO strongly telling me this isn't right so I let go and I said no, I want to go to my friends house. Then he started yelling saying "COME WITH ME NOW!!" I started bawling my eyes out and we were in front of my friends house and I said "MY FRIENDS HOUSE IS JUST RIGHT THERE!" And he freaked tf out and RAN! Cops never found him but they said he definitely was planning to kidnap me to do something sinister to me and that he ran because my friends parents could of been watching from a window and already calling the police. Trusting my gut saved my life
I remember looking for an apartment. (I'm in Greece, too). The guy who showed up was an absolute giant in size. The apartment was on the fifth floor of a building, and while we were on a busy road outside, we' d be alone inside (elevator etc.) but what made me nervous was his demeanour when I was stalling. He seemed agitated, sweaty, nervous and jumpy. What actually sealed it for me were his trousers. They were quite short on him and I recall how looney it made him look, like he wasn't all there mentally. Anyhow, I'm so glad I called it off and offered an excuse and left.
Don't teach your kids to prioritize being polite and nice over protecting yourself. Being nice is overrated. People pick on those who can't say no. Seeming rude and impolite is still better than losing your life
Agreed. It is quite funny being really rude to a man who tries to approach you while alone at a train station. I tested it out.. he thought I was weird. I shouted at him to GO AWAY from Me and found a couple in the car park and stayed near them.
Its still better not to be rude overall, you cant say " 0.01 people died because of being nice so lets just be rude people" that is so ridiculous
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I remember looking for an apartment. (I'm in Greece, too). The guy who showed up was an absolute giant in size. The apartment was on the fifth floor of a building, and while we were on a busy road outside, we' d be alone inside (elevator etc.) but what made me nervous was his demeanour when I was stalling. He seemed agitated, sweaty, nervous and jumpy. What actually sealed it for me were his trousers. They were quite short on him and I recall how looney it made him look, like he wasn't all there mentally. Anyhow, I'm so glad I called it off and offered an excuse and left.
‘Being nice is overrated’
That’s absurd. No wonder why the modern youth is extremely disrespectful and rude.
Thank you Adrian for covering this case, i am from Greece and during Eleni's murder i was also in uni, 21 y.o. and living close to Didimotiho. This case marked most of young girls here. you won't believe how many more cases of women getting killed happened since then....
I know some very well in the uk, that he the same situation with that video. She was assaulted and filmed. When she finally had the courage to go to the police they told her it’s best that she just leave it. Incase it angers the attackers it’s safer for her. This has affected her whole life. It’s disgusting they can just get away with it
I can’t imagine how many people have ended up dying because of propriety. “Not wanting to seem rude” can get you killed. The narrative that pissing someone off will cause them to react is wrong-if they’re gonna do something they would have anyway.
Be rude. You don’t owe anyone anything.
💯 it's so sad, often evil takes advantage of kindness
The point is: being rude or not, she would probably be murdered anyway. Yes, be rude, I agree with that, but in this case it is not the point. She wouldn't be saved if she had been rude, the problem is that men kill women just because they can. And the laws, the media, the Greek culture, as is shown in the video, doesn't help at all!
I'm a 60 year old woman...that is _how I was raised!_ Don't be rude, don't rock the boat, don't ruffle any feathers!
Unfortunately it's a bit of a catch-22. Many people have been killed for 'being rude' and many have been killed for being polite. It's very much a 'read the room' situation, where sometimes being rude will save you, but other times being polite will be what saves you.
@@JoBlo321 same. Plus the additional “Don’t jump to the conclusion that this person’s motivation is bad! That makes YOU a bad person.” It’s hard to go against the beliefs and behaviors that have been trained into you, even if those behaviors may put you at risk. Sadly.
My heart breaks for her and her family. It always blows my mind that "she was asking for it" is still used as a pathetic attempt to justify sexual violence against a woman. The culture around refusal of accountability in such cases is disgusting and robs victims/survivors of their character after having been physically violated. Thank you Adrian for speaking of Eleni and other victims with compassion and care.
It’s the “culture” in countries like these…
@@nora4981 "countries like these"? European? Western? What are you refering to?
It's hard to believe anyone could still fall for the "asking for it" excuse, especially here. The chances of a woman "asking" for a threesome with two strangers on a first date, kinda rare.
@@inkompetenzkompensationsko4188 Exactly. They call themselves a "first world" yet acting this way.
@@nora4981 you act like the US and other places don't use the same damned excuse. it's not a greek thing. it's just misogyny. cause most places are pretty shit about this kind of thing.
Hearing that she had also been previously violated and it had been filmed made me burst into tears. Absolutely horrific.
Same, people don't realize how common sexual abuse is. I know too many people who have had it happen more than once (including myself unfortunately). I started shaking when I heard that part, I saw red. Poor girl, no one deserves that...
And when she found the courage to go and report her rape to the police they kicked her out saying it was too late.....
I live in the small city where Eleni was born. When this tragedy took place, all of us here lived every minute of it. I really wish and hope nothing like this will ever happen again to anyone.
Thank you for bringing attention to this case, Adrien! I knew Eleni in my high school years and she always was a very cheerful, nice girl. Even helped me acclimate when I transferred to her school in the middle of the school year because of my mother's work relocation to Evros. I live in Scotland now but flew back to attend her funeral. Her poor mother was inconsolable and the grief in her eyes will remain with me forever. Nearly as bad as the crime itself was the portrayal of Eleni by some of the online media. They killed her all over again with those victim-blaming articles.
Cases from Greece rarely get attention, despite how heinous some of them are. Femicides often go without being reported properly, and the lack of protection networks on top of the absence of harsher punishments has been an issue for decades.
Iam so sorry for your loss.
You should publicize this case more & girls need to be aware of it before traveling to Greece
@@em413 The vast majority of tourists that travel to Greece have nothing horrific happen to them.
@@It-is-me...Melsie a young black med student from America was killed because of his skin color. Greeks don't give a damn
@@donnawanna3680 That is horrific, but my point still stands. Greece is not deemed an unsafe country to visit. Sad fact is horrific things happen to innocent people in even the most reputable places.
Many red flags from the get go. This story is a prime example of someone too nice being taken advantage of. Do not throw yourself into a dangerous situation because "it would be rude" to get out of it.
There are friends of Eleni's saying that she had been blackmailed with revenge porn for months by some unknown criminals on the island. I don't believe that we will ever learn the whole story.
I once made the exact same mistakes as she did in a very similiar situation when i was 17. Its scary thinking about how easily this couldve been me.
Thank you for making this video. Greetings from Greece.
When the date is derailed and there is another person in the car. Get out fast. Always trust your instincts.
It's just tragic she went along with it.
When you're asked out, you don't automatically think that person or people are bad news. We don't know what she was thinking. She was probably brought up like every other woman; to be sweet, kind and trusting. This is how we die. Yes, always trust your instincts.
@@michellementh9651 nah women arent brought up like that, haha. Its just in your nature to be more polite and non controversial. You dont have a bunch of Testosterone running through your body like men. I always tell my gfs to get pepper spray. Could have saved her life. also she should have just called her friend right in front of them and said who she was with in a friendly manner and invited her to come join them. Not sure why she didnt do this as the guy she was meeting already brought along his friend and made things awkward. This would have made them 2nd guess anything they were about to do. Always think the worse just to be safe.
I mean most women they don't think, they always go with it, that's why all serial killers target them, they DO NOT USE THEIR BRAIN
@@michellementh9651 I think it's my anxiety then because I'm so untrusting of everyone.
Nevertheless, whether she did the right or wrong move. She NEVER deserved what was done to her.
@@Akursedtime totally agree with you! who the F thinks they will be murdered going out with someone. She seriously should have bailed out once she saw his friend with him though or said hey I’m going to invite a friend to join us cause you have one.
What happened to her is every woman's worst fear. My heart breaks for her.
It won’t happen....if you stay in public!!! Restaurants are a nice place to talk, enjoying a meal.... (getting to know someone doesn’t mean going to their place).
@@elainevankat5353 Although i do agree with you, let's not forget she was already trapped in a car. Her only option would've been to flee out once she saw "his buddy in the backseat".
Every man's nightmare to die by a killer they met online too tho
@@elainevankat5353 they can drugged you in a public place and still take us somewhere to murder us so don't think being in a public place gona save u from being murdered a UK cop raped and murdered a women when we had covid in UK u can't trust anyone
@@wendyjones1422 your misogyny is showing
Beauty can be found in every corner ... ugliness too :( Eleni was a beautiful soul that met very ugly and dark souls in this country...her last words were that her father will find and chase those creatures..and he did :( thank you for the video of the loving memory of Eleni she will never be forgotten _/\_
Well, the fact the two guys are still alive means the dad didn't do the proper justice, IMO.. if I found out some guys raped and killed my daughter, hopefully the police didn't hear about it before I do :)
@@necro2607 and then you go to prison for life too 😊 smart!
Difficult as this is to speak of… Rape isn’t always so cut and dry. When I was 19, some work friends invited me to a party some friends they knew were throwing at their cabin in the local woods. It was nice, a bonfire, good food, some underage drinking… Now, I wasn’t stupid, I knew my limits with alcohol. So this “nice guy” who had approached me soon after I got there was the one to get me a drink. I was a Jack Daniel’s girl then. He brought me this HUGE cup that looked like half the bottle. I was just sipping it, but every time I went to take a drink, he would tip my cup and I’d get more than I wanted. I ended up incredibly drunk, stumbling, slurring my words, something I’ve never done. He took me inside to lie down and forced himself on me. I kept telling him no, but I was too drunk to fight back. I remember crying… When it was over, he left, but I stayed there crying. The cabin owners, both young men who were about 25, came through to use the bathroom, eventually came through and found me crying. One asked me what was wrong and I told him. He told the other to go find the guy while he stayed with me. Soon the other guy drug this POS back in and the first guy roughly grabbed him, pointed at me and said, “Look! Look what you’ve done to her!” To which POS sweetly said, “I’m sorry, if I knew it was going to upset you, I wouldn’t have done anything.” Notice the first person used here? Yeah, so did those 2 guys… So they start grilling him. He did use protection, but it was nowhere to be found. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you where it was. I had to retrieve it and when I did, it was barely unrolled at all. I was mortified, ashamed and just wanted to go home. I got a ride home, I don’t remember who with, it’s a bit hazy, and said nothing until the next day when I had to tell my mom. I couldn’t look her in the eye… She was surprisingly calm and asked what I wanted to do if I ended up pregnant, I said get rid of it with disgust. She said okay. We didn’t have that kind of money, but she said we’d figure something out. She was actually very kind about the entire thing, even when I put myself down for being foolish and blaming myself for putting myself in that situation. She kept telling me it wasn’t my fault, just like the guys the night before. The girls at the party that I worked with? Well, rumors were spread… I was a slut, I wanted it, I was asking for it… All manor of awful things that made my life hell. And when I found a boyfriend, they told him I slept around and if he did anything with me, he might have AIDS. He broke it off and I went to get tested, got the negative results and immediately drove to his house to throw the paper in his face. That shit followed me for a year! I had to quit my job… I never reported what happened, I just wanted to forget it happened and move on. But you can’t… It caused more issues in my relationships than you can imagine. It’s been 30 years and I can still see his face in my mind. I’ll never STOP seeing it… So to all you women (or men as the case may be), if you’re a victim of rape, SPEAK OUT! Please don’t be dumb like I was… It WILL haunt you forever if you do. People will always call you a slut, say you were asking for it no matter if you report it or not. I’m proof of that. Stand firm. Say it loud so the people in the back can hear you. DO NOT let this go unpunished! I hope one day Greece gets it through their heads that this is NOT acceptable! No means no! And those who don’t respect that need to do time whether the crime is violent like Elini or more passive as mine was. Sex offenders need to be put behind bars and karma needs to dry f**k them up the ass quite literally with a cactus. Then they’ll know what it feels like to be violated as they violated others. I hope these two get what they have coming to them. The powers that be know what they’ve done. It will come back on them. Elini’s parents should rest easy. I truly believe karma will be serving them a lovely dinner of justice… and it will be served extremely cold.
from the way you started this, i thought you were going to defend the males side. just because you werent injured or murdered in no way makes what happened to you ... passive. the first time i was r---d , i fought back, all it did was get the shit kicked out of me. the second time? i tried. i begged and cried. but i didnt fight. sometimes fighting saves us... sometimes it gets us killed. my point being is that the perp who did this to you deserves no lesspunishment merely because he didnt hurt you more than he did.... it hurts my heart to think you might wonder if your experience was 'bad enough' because i know how much we undermine our trauma merely because there are people with more violent experiences. sorry for the novel, your story resonated with me clearly lol... anyways, my heart truly goes out to you and i hope you have or are working towards finding peace in this cold world
@@bm-ww8kb .. what stupid person gets into a situation like that twice? Seriously?
Decent girls don't go looking for it even once!
@@Chris_Sheridan lol good effort but im not interested in taking your bait ;)
@@bm-ww8kb .. only mitigating circumstances would be living in a rough/bad neighborhood where the attackers are strangers and people not already known or in some way associating with the victim. The priority then would be to move or change jobs whatever the cost.
It does get awkward going to police and reporting similar offences more than once .. for obvious reasons. For some things there has to be a mind-set for zero-tolerance which means avoiding the risks of life-changing experiences and setting standards including self-control. Understanding moral values also helps.
@@Chris_Sheridan i really didnt provide enough information for this to be a relevant reply or for you to formulate an educated opinion. for that reason Im not sure what youre looking for me to reply with.
Who else 😂 loves when Adrian rips into these monsters calm and vicious as possible? "Their little baby boy", "this idiot" lol.
And then the shirt comment at the end… brilliant
@@LeeDee5 Yes when he said this idiot lol lol bro Adrian is so funny when he does it. Makes the content so much more interesting to watch
🤚I totally agree.
yeah, he really showed them. 🙄
@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL I think you're missing the point - nobody here gives a toot about the murderers' feelings, but the little comments that Adrian makes interject a bit of levity into the scripts, and make these cases easier to get through.
Someone broke into my house in Greece. I called both the police and the Citizen Protection (another form of police department). BOTH REFUSED TO COME. Not even for fingerprints. Another time my phone was stolen, and the thief had it still turned on which means it could be traced located and the thief caught. I called the police immediately from a landline. They said they cannot do anything about it. Once I had to go to the airport and had an ex threaten me at the time. I called the police and asked if someone can escort me as I didn't feel safe. They refused. So, here a few examples of my personal experience.
i was assaulted when i was young and even picked out this predator's picture from a police file, but there was never any follow-up and no police ever told me to press charges
ya, i don't know what kind of cops these kind are - are they just too busy with other crimes? or too lazy? or just don't care? sometimes it seems they decide what's important to investigate and answer to no one for doing a bad job
Thats why everyone here should walk with a pepper spray in hand.Because police is corrupted careless and useless most of the times.
The police are awful in pretty much every country. I’m Australian, I reported my rapist and they threatened to arrest me because I got angry when they accused me of lying just to ruin his life.
The police are useless in most countries. I am from the U.S. and would never call the police for anything. They just make things worse. American police only care about protecting rich people.
omg, i wish greece improves females rights and safeguards women, such a sad case and sad country
This is an unbelievably sad sad story which actually brought me to tears. I can't express how sorry I feel for Eleni, and what she endured with these two pieces of filth, and prior. May she fly high, be free, and be at piece.
Congrats on being so accurate, describing the issues in Greece. I am an old sub, but now that you covered a case in my country, I see how well you study facts and connect them to the greater social situation. Keep up the amazing work.
I keep seeing people commenting, "It's ok to be rude just say no." Stop conflating declining something you aren't interested in, with manners!!! The real PROBLEM is the suggestion that saying no, is rude in the first place! There is nothing rude about saying no to someone or something, now how you say it can determine if you are rude, but simply denying a request is NOT RUDE.
Period!!👏🏻👏🏻
Excellent point Skittles 👍
BTW, ‘Skittles’ is my cats name she’s a beautiful long-haired black kitty 🐈⬛
Yeah, saying "no" when it's rude is better than saying "no" when things have gotten to the point where doing can be a life-threatening option. Say no while you still can. Hurt some feelings.
That is right. No is as much a valid response as Yes.
Saying no is not rude but you damn well know that too these manchildren who never have been told no in their lives, saying no to their face is the rudest thing you can say to them. Which is terrifying and I think Eleni knew that right off the bat.
Sexual assault is the only civilian crime that I can consider as categorically unforgivable. There are reasons to justify murder such as self-defense. There are reasons to justify theft such as desperation to make ends meet. But sexual assault, there is no feasible reason to justify something so heinous, so depraved.
I actually watched a criminologist lesson and the criminologist said the same thing. He said you can justify all crimes but never sexual assault because it’s not even about sex, it’s about power, control and humiliation and as someone who was a victim of domestic violence and sexual assault, I can say that he is right and I am very angry about women being put behind bars for murdering their abusers. No matter what, even if the person is a pedophile rapist, rape is NEVER okay. It’s an act of violence that is designed to humiliate. But murder can be justified when it’s self defence or even in cases of mental illness it can be dismissed as not guilty due to mental diseases. There is never an excuse for sexual violence.
And the scary thing is, many male rapists think that all men think like them but just can’t admit it. They think all men are capable of being rapists because that’s easier to accept than the reality that they’re pieces of shit. And the worst part when I watched these lessons? You can usually profile certain criminals but sexual offenders have NO PROFILE because they are EVERYONE. That’s why you get so many people defending an abusive rapist because their friends can’t accept they are horrible monsters cause of course they would know if their friend was a rapist right?? Yeah unfortunately, almost 90% of rapists never see a jail cell. I’m all for redemption for criminals but sexual offenders? No. They deserve harsh punishment and none of that bullshit of early parole for good behaviour because time and time again they reoffend.
Self defense isn't murder though.
@@rogaken Depending on how you define it. Many women go to prison for killing their abusers in self defence but because he hadn’t striked them yet, it’s seen as murder. Even if he strikes her, they can argue it was murder.
@@rogaken I meant in a super general way, taking someone's life. You can justify that if your life was in danger. But yeah, perhaps the legal definition is different.
@@extremecoolguyyy I could not have worded this better. I wholeheartedly agree
This was unbelievably disturbing. That poor girl…💔
'She didn't want to be rude. '
This hit home because I was taught to never be rude. I only recently came to recovery in Adult Children of Alcoholism/Other Dysfunction and realized I'm a people pleaser.
I am now a recovering people pleaser who has learned to have boundaries.
I'm so sorry for her and her family.
I'm glad that the prison inmates next to them are giving them what they did to this poor girl. This case is sickening and sad.
Is that what he meant in the end of the video about videos of them in jail?
@@bluckq I think so too. Guess even prison justice exist in Greece after all.
One pretty twink boy and one fat bear… yeah, I’m sure they are real popular in prison and getting a taste of their own medicine every single night. Cue evil laughter… 👹
@@davidofergals6947 Also, that's a dumbass little idiom that is irrelevant and shortsighted. Your grandmother and mother are stupid, and so are their sentiments, you can choose to move past them.
@@AndrewLyon23 disgusting.
Online dating is scary to be honest. You really never know who you’re meeting.
Yep, that’s why idk how anyone can do it.. but maybe I’m just extremely paranoid. I like meeting others the natural and organic way. Still never know who someone’s truly is but at least there are plenty of things to assess in public.
@@renebleu8711 You are just a normal human.Congratulations.
@@renebleu8711 As you said yourself, you don't truly know how a person is, even if you meet them in a traditional way. Most murders are by people you know whether it be family members, lovers, or friends. People meet people online all the time and nothing bad happens to them. You just have to be as safe as you can be (meeting in public). It took me months to go into a private space with my now husband after meeting him online. I think sometimes people can be lulled into a false sense of safety because they've been messaging the person for a bit or talking to them on the phone and they think they "know" them. It takes a while to know a person and even after years they can still surprise you by their behavior or actions.
I met my fiancé from a dating app. Dating apps can be scary due to stories like this. They continue to happen because people are not using them in a safe manner. When you use them never overlook any red flags because doing so may lead to something like this.
Red flags: the words “I want to see you/meet you.” No mention of a date (lunch, dinner, coffee, movie). No couth whatsoever.
And this is the reason why I teach my babies to always speak up and if you’re not comfortable say something. She was clearly not comfortable but was too shy and nice to say or do something.
Never get into a stranger's car. Ever. Don't give a stranger your address. If you are going to meet someone that you don't know, arrange to meet at a public place with lots of people around, preferably during the day, get a friend to call you to check you're alright - arrange this beforehand. Another tip is to get your friend to go to the same venue and sit apart so that if you need help to get away from someone then you've got a friend in the same venue to grab hold of. To give your address to a stranger, allow them to pick you up in their car at 10pm is taking a huge risk. Anyone who asks you to do this is suspect from the beginning. Take care out there.
Agreed. I don't understand why she actually got in the car with a stranger. Some women really have no situation awareness that some men can be truly dangerous. Watching these crime shows makes me not trust anyone lol
Another huge clue was his friend that was there. Usually if there was going to be someone else there that would have been mentioned beforehand... and two men, one she's coversed with for a short time the other a complete stranger, and her going out on a date... after 10pm? All of this isn't weird? She should have made an excuse to go back in her place then called her date on the phone a few minutes later to say she changed her mind, she doesn't want to go anymore...
I babysat for a pedophile when I was 14, he called me from off the street.. I agree, we need to teach our kids to always stay away from strangers in general, not worth the harm that can last a lifetime.
@@kittyshiv hi, just some thoughts... yeah for kids-- have rules in place to protect them for sure but later when they get older and for adults, strangers can be ok... that's how strangers become friends... what I mean is follow another set of rules, there is a bridge that every stranger must get through to become a friend, every stranger must be put through the paces to make sure this person is truly ok meaning practice common sense with ANY new person in your life, get to know him or her... safely... and no a few exchanges on line or on the phone does not cut it! (like in this case with this girl) you must get through a period where you truly get to know someone, the facade/mask will eventually drop and you will see the real person, who this person really is.. good and bad because the facade does eventually fade away revealing the real person, most of the time you can size someone up in minutes but there are times when it can take much longer... but basically your first order of business is to find out if this person is safe or not and this is revealed easily by motives, usually if this person has an ulterior motive, that comes to light quickly... if you ask the right questions and pay attention, both to words and actions... sorry this got very long... I've been through it before because I didn't pay close enough attention in the past... I mean on one hand you have to practice some common sense to be safe but of course on the other hand it doesn't have to take that long if you pay attention and trust your gut... your 6th sense doesn't lie but you must pay attention....
Think she was yearning for love and dismissed the reg flags.
Adrien, thank you for covering this case. I’m from Greece and our cases rarely ever get exposure in foreign media, despite how shocking some of them might be.
If you’re thinking about covering another femicide from Greece, then you should look into the case of Babis Anagnostopoulos, who brutally murdered his wife Caroline, hanged his dog and tried to convince everyone that Caroline and the dog were murdered by burglars. He went as far as to place his infant daughter Lydia on top of her dead mothers body! This is truly one of the most shocking femicides in Greece.
Femicides unfortunately happen frequently here, especially since COVID-19 started, but the victims of those heinous crimes unfortunately seem get forgotten as time passes. The toxic aspects of patriarchy are deeply rooted within our society. We are raised as God fearing and are expected to show unquestionable respect to men, no matter how wrong they might be. Us women are supposed to be quiet and submissive, and if we deviate from that then we’ll be faced with a ton of backlash from not only males, but also other females who’ve been brainwashed into being misogynistic towards the same sex as them.
May our lost sisters Rest In Peace…
"Forgotten" by 24/7 round the clock, media coverage?
Piss off, you're not going to fuck any gal regardless, predator in disguise
what part of Greece do you live? things like this was a long time ago,sad to hear that you experience that
@@ilikesteakandbacon150 I live in the northern part of Greece.
The part about being expected to be quiet, submissive and show respect towards men is quite extreme and it isn't something Greeks believe nowadays, even the very old generations. It might be the case in the odd rural family here and there, but that probably happens in more advanced countries too.
Im from greece as well...im glad this case was covered...so tragic
As a Greek myself who's currently living in the UK, this case particularly shook me. I remember being back to my hometown for holidays when it happened and I was severely affected when details of the crime became widely known. It's not often that you see such prejudiced and horrific crimes close to where you live. I wish my country had stricter laws concerning similar cases. R.I.P Eleni. You deserved much, much better, sweet girl.
Don't worry so much, darling. There is worse. You should see the documentary about what is happening with women killed by their husbands in France, which is considered better as a state than Greece. They hardly get any prison sentences. You can find that doc easily in UA-cam.
Do you hop in cars with strange men after meeting them in person for FIVE SECONDS? If not, I doubt you have much to worry about. Men are predators, STAY with your head on swivel. R I P Eleni
@@arganiaspinosa9122 Not all men are predators.
I was so pissed that they didn’t get much longer sentences. But knowing that they are getting special treatment in prison makes me happy. I hope Bubba enjoys sticking it to them and I hope they enjoy getting down on their knees.
they are getting special traetment alright, there is even a video other inmates posted they beat them asking them how do they like it???but still ...they will suffer always poor sadistic monsters.
I undertand the emotion, but happiness over crimes committed in prison is ethically problematic, these are still sex crimes and sexual assaults, regardless of who the victim is. Unless you belive rape and assault should be a legal part of sentencing?
@@Daz19
I believe in No mercy for evil. If I had it my way, chain gangs and hard labor would still be in effect. The Gallows would still be used. There would only be two appeals allowed within a 5 year period for Death Row inmates. Then they would be executed via the gallows. All prisoners nationwide would wear pink jumpsuits and their blankets and towels would be pink.
Whipping for punishment would still be used.
Prison is a world of its own. Prisoners have their own rules in prison. And for those who commit heinous crimes or break the rules or simply are not liked by other prisoners.. they can deal with it however they want. If that means the child molester gets attacked somehow and some type of violence is done to them so be it. Same goes with any prisoner. How they deal with issues in prison is beyond my concern. I have no care, love, empathy, anything for them.
And I believe our justice system sucks. Plea deals, time served, time off for good behavior, etc. is all BS. Our justice system needs to be ruled with an Iron Fist. Maximum sentences given in all cases. Reform does not work. It’s rare. But you make prison time absolutely nightmarish then in theory, people will not want to ever go to prison or jail again. And that means one of two outcomes: Either they obey the laws and live life according to society or should they decide to stay criminal odds are they won’t want to ever go back and that means SBC or something resulting in their death. In which case, I say good riddance.
There is no place for criminals and crime in society. The sooner it is culled the better for the rest of us.
@@dwjunior I don't have enough faith in the justice system to trust that innocent people would not be convicted and subject to what you describe.
These places you describe sound like they'd serve to enhance criminality and metal disorders amongst inmates. Not good if they're ever to be relased, escape and when they interact with prison staff.
Do you believe the death penalty and what you describe would occur inside prisons would be effective as a deterrents?
@@Daz19
Absolutely! I’m Pro Death Penalty 100%.
And yes, I can only believe that hard labor, whipping, etc would be a deterrent to crime.
Even if it turned out not to be, the criminals would be forced to decide Capture or Death. Do I go to prison and suffer or go out in suicide or SBC. The criminals would get dealt with either way just like now the difference being if I had it my way the punishments would be maximized. Again, criminals have no rights, deserve no mercy, and the sooner the bad people are culled the better it will be for the rest of society.
I am from GREECE. this case shocked the whole world. they were all crying because of the horrible torture they did to Eleni Topaloudi. an equally shocking Greek case is that of Pispirigou. of a mother who killed all three of her girls so that her husband would not divorce her.
They don't see women as actual human beings. Which i always find so strange. It was women who carried them for 9 months, went thru childbirth and spent many years nurturing them into adulthood. Yet they despise the very ones who did this for them. Human culture is really sick sometimes.
People always say “daddy issues” about troubled women, but I’d argue that it’s far more dangerous for a male to have “mommy issues.” Seems like this causes the most violence against women.
Sadly, carrying a baby around for 9 months and birthing it doesn't make you a mother. Lots of women miss the mark with the nurturing part, I know plenty of men who don't like their own mother, including me because she didn't care the way she needed to.
@@heatheryoung9254 they are equal counterparts I believe. Women with daddy issues are more likely to be "independent" and sexually malicious, while men with mommy issues tend to be more codependent and physically malicious. Also there's some statistics somewhere that men raised in single mother households are more likely to become murderers or rapists.
Doesnt apply to all men! Just to some sickos.
@@heatheryoung9254 get over yourself. Nothing is cut and dry. This or that. Its all a spectrum, you think that men with daddy issues aren’t dangerous. What about women with mommy issues. This or that, them or us. You aren’t better than anyone else. All people are equal. A product of environment. What if an orphan is raised by wolfs do they not become more dangerous than any of your preconceived notions of ‘dangerous environment’.
These type of cases make me feel a whole new level of SAD. It's always devastating to see a person being "punished" in such a horrific and tragic way for simply being polite, kind and optimistic. Traits that are normally being taught from early age and applauded. Rest in peace, Eleni.
yes we are taught to be good little girls and to behave nicely, never realizing that just because we take that seriously plenty of others pay no mind to this at all
Essentials are instead not taught ,things more important for living on the planet where angels and devils come to incarnation 😉
Looking at those snouts,who in his right mind would trust any of them ??????
Intuition and sixth sense are much needed to live on planet Earth .
@@dianet2702 I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Yes, to have higher chance of survival, especially women and children, one has to be more intuitive and smart than other people. However, the impact of society is strong. The way one is raised might overtake instinct at any time.
It's 21st century, we don't rely on our instincts as much as our ancestors did, there's no need for that. What we do rely on is our morals and traits that we're taught by our surroundings.
It's not easy to live in this world. While you say "who in their right mind would trust them", a person who has been taught to always give another person a chance and to not "judge the book by its cover" will not understand your stand. You, and me, personally would most likely turned around the moment we saw another man in a car, however Eleni was her own person and something in her mind just didn't react at that specific moment. And I'm sure it can happen to any one of us, you included.
Thank you for sharing this horrific crime. Eleni still lives to our hearts and thoughts. Justice for Eleni.
Thank you for shedding a light on this issue in Greece.
That case has shocked us here in Greece.. It was the first of a very long streak of femicides all over the country which still continues today.. A case you should really look into is the case of Caroline Crouch.. Also a very shocking crime in Greece a couple of years after Eleni, with a horror movie kind of plot.. God rest their souls..
Sadly Greece really wants to clear their own name/image because they rely so heavily on tourism and who wants to go to a country where you can't defend yourself and the courts won't be on your side. Yet, they are like Japan, they NEED the tourism (for Japan it's ego and image that rank high) and if they are seen to be sweeping crimes against women or outsiders, under the rug they know how that makes them look, so we don't get an accurate idea of these crimes. If you search crimes against women, they will just go to the murders, so it looks like a smaller number, but you dig deeper and read about these deaths and it's very ugly! They don't share all of the rapes and other assaults, most of which go unreported. Sorry, I got caught up in it all.
@@amandastakeonit7402 The worst about femicides in Greece and elsewhere is that 95% of the times, those crimes are commited by boyfriends, husbands or partners and that makes it extremely difficult to control.. When a woman is being violated or even killed in her home, during a movie night or after dinner by one of the most trusted people in her life it is next to impossible to prevent and women have to be aware of the signs and get the fuck out of there or ask for help before violent behaviors get out of hand.. Greece and its people has become very aware of any violent act against women and nothing is being swept under the rug any more but most of the times signs of abuse go unreported until its too late..
I visited Santorini, I have seen so many tourist girls hooking up with locals, they are out there to party but this girl seems different.
@@kiklocus4660 Nothing wrong with hooking up, that’s some victim blaming nonsense. The victim literally is different because she’s Greek & not a tourist ?
@@mouldysushi im not blaming no-one, she seems naive not into hook ups and 3somes, if she was ok with 3some and had sex with them she probably would have survived, I just mentioned what I saw on those islands, I have seen so many women from other countries let loose there and hooking up, it could turn bad at any moment especially young girls like that
My father often says, "No is a sufficient answer". Do not be afraid to put your foot down in a social situation if you feel uncomfortable. Share your location with a friend, call a ride-hail service, even just move to a nearby public location and ask for help. Anywhere well-lit or a 7/11, walk right in and do not leave. Don't be afraid of offending someone or causing embarrassment, it's always worth it for your security - your life is the most precious thing for you and your loved ones. Take care of each other.
But she should say no before she even to enter that truck
@@kodymeyers9126 perhaps, but how was she supposed to see what would happen later in the day?
@@m01015 Hmmm maybe by hearing the stories what happened to girls who gone with strangers to a secluded area like their homes? With two men? There were many red flags before she was in this situation. Guy wants a date but brings a friend? Then invites to a home? Into unknown location? Lol it is called thinking. You cannot "don't know" in such situation. She is dead now. Because of stupidity.
@@m01015 Girl wast trusting the marathon guy she were online dating weeks prior, but still she fell for the obvious big redflag in the end RIP
Yea animals instinct saves lives
Never seen a Greek murder being covered before. You really do your research man, love the variety
Oh my god this poor sweet girl. The fact that she lived through multiple attempts of being murdered shows how strong her will was to survive. What was done to Elini from being beaten in the head, to raped, to thrown off a cliff, to ultimately lying paralyzed in shallow water slowly drowning .. I CANNOT IMAGINE the excruciating pain and utter fear this beautiful young woman endured. This definitely had to be one of the tougher cases to listen to knowing exactly how much she was put through before passing. My heart aches for her 😭 WHY DO WE HAVE MONSTERS LIKE THIS IN SOCIETY!?
Adrian, your compassion and empathy that these murder victims weren't shown in their final moments shines through. The respectful way you honor their memory by giving them a voice to tell their story is admirable and I hope it helps rests their soul.
Beautifully said Robin
Yes I felt the same way. I hate to see Mike from That Chapter cover this story!
He’s fantastic this video only felt like half the length.
I'm too familiar with this horrendous case to hear the details again. I'm playing it on mute on another tablet to give Adrian his always well-deserved view. Twice, at least.
"Manoli's baloney defense team" I caught that! Your wordpaly is appreciated among the maddening details of this horrific case.
I had to go back and rehear it. They I have the video a thumbs up
Please don't blame the victim of being naive. If it wasn't Eleni, it would certainly be another innocent girl.
I am glad that the names and faces of the perpetrators are known in Greece -they will be forever stigmatised.
I heard these monsters get frequently beaten in prison, by their inmates, that is something.
It is not her fault but we really have to learn about personal safety and situation awareness.
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Going willfully with a stranger is foolish. she should have stayed with her own kind( little kids).
Thank you for sharing Eleni’s story, honestly this case shocked Greece.
I can't believe how backwards Greece is when it comes to the law and protection.
Unless it's a double date there is no need for anyone else to be there, I definitely wouldn't have gone along with it but Eleni probably did in good faith. The violence towards her and how she slowly died is unfathomable. Rest easy ❤️
This is what happens when females are considered less than live stock ,....when innocent rape victims are blamed for a criminals sick impulses.
It s because of the pornography. The men want to immitate what male and female prostitutes do on camera ...men do not think for a second these people are being payed to do really disgusting things on camera. Men think this is how sex is in real life lol. These two murderers wanted to do a dp on the girl like they saw it in pornography. She resisted and they beaten her up to perform it and she became unconscious from the injury in her head and they thought she died so they threw the body away so they can avoid jail. Btw the one guy was albanian.
@Kaavish Naz well I mean she did say she wouldn’t have gone alone and either would I
Awe, law is extremely bakcward in Greece.
Another example is if you defend your home during a burglary, the burglar can file a lawsuit. A minister of safety said on TV "best pretend to be sleeping"
@@Gaib_al_lisan Wtf. are u guys ok there
From personal experience, I know how appallingly misogynistic the Greek police are. I'm pleased that you've highlighted this, Adrian, as women must know that they can't rely on Greek police for help. and this was a Greek girl who should have felt safe with a compatriot on a first date. Poor, poor Elena was too innocent to understand how evil humans can be to each other. Great video as always.
Yes they're quite backward & RUDE
It s because of the pornography. The men want to immitate what male and female prostitutes do on camera ...men do not think for a second these people are being payed to do really disgusting things on camera. Men think this is how sex is in real life lol. These two murderers wanted to do a dp on the girl like they saw it in pornography. She resisted and they beaten her up to perform it and she became unconscious from the injury in her head and they thought she died so they threw the body away so they can avoid jail. Btw the one guy was albanian.
Greece doesn’t seem appealing to visit now 😢
@@halley_7 one of the murderers was an albanian
@@carlwermar8161 yeah but it’s how the greek police acted and even the media
Y’all, if you are ever on a date (especially the first date) and they bring another person along…get out of there NOW. There is no reason to have someone else there on a date unless it is going to be used against you. And always remember: LIE IF YOU HAVE TO. Your life is 100x more important than telling a few lies or not being polite; your safety is the first priority. Stay safe everyone ❤❤❤
Good on you for covering this case with compassion, but still a potent dash of rage towards these low lives. Even if they escape the system, I hope this crime haunts their every step till they die.
This sort of story really nurtures my inner cynic. I wonder if Aleksander participated in those runs for charity simply to mask his true nature under a "nice guy" image. The commission of this particular crime was amateur and sloppy, but if he'd gotten away with it, I have no doubt he would have continued trolling for victims online while posing as a golden boy one would be proud to take home to the folks. Vile. I'm not surprised he had other sexual assault charges in his past.
Absolutely.
I' m sure her parents wouldn' t have accepted an Albanian nobody for her daughter. Not even as a date
@@tartaninka which one is the Albanian? Sorry I'm confused about the xenophobic thing.. I thought both the murderers were Greece although obviously one looks less "whiter" that the other
@@itsruckaswife7036 Aleksander is from Albania ... mostly men come to Greece to do menial work e.g. in tourism and the building trade...their reputation is - poor. - his friend was a local from Rhodes. Both had various criminal records, which she was unaware of...
By the way , Lindos is more than 40 km South of Rhodos city, she should have never ever entered that vehicle for a ' ride' .... everyone knows that distance on Rhodes. She must have felt uncomfortable from minute one..
@@tartaninka Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. He should've mentioned it in the video...for the uneducated like me :)
Thanks for covering this story. As a Greek, my blood boils every time I remember this crime.
I know your coverage of these cases can't get the victims the justice they deserve, but the unbiased, factual way you narrate their stories is really powerful and at least ensures that these people are remembered and never forgotten.
It's shocking how much pain people are able to inflict on each other in the world. I hope everyone following this channel stays safe and aware.
My heart hurts for the pain and horror that innocent soul had to suffer.
Eleni was stubborn and driven to live until the end I respect that but the way that the media tried to soil a literal dead woman's reputation to save a criminal's face is the just disgusting and horrific to even think about..
It's always so sad to see the legal systems and handling of other countries and finding out how awful they are. Those men should live in jail for the rest of their lives not be able to walk around and possibly ruin anther innocent woman's life later on.
Online dating scares me! But people should have some ground rules when meeting strangers for the first time. Like only meeting them during the day, in a public space, only after informing your friends or family on who you are meeting and what time - and never trusting them till they earn your trust. Doesn’t pay to be nice unfortunately.
Background checks should be a pre-requisite.
I was abducted when I was 15 along with my friend . We were in a dark home and as he was sexually abusing my friend I saw a gate outside that I can jump but I was not going to leave my friend so I asked the man if he can give us beers and a tour of his house since I was like this is so cool here. BUT AS HE WAS ABOUT TO GRAB US BEERS I TOLD MY FRIEND LETS RUN AND JUMP THE FENCE AND WE DID SO YELLING FOR ALL NEIGHBORS TO HEAR. We escaped thank G-D
Well done, great situation awareness and cunning.
Did you turn to police?
Maybe this is just me (probably) but you state the 2 of you were abducted, yet you asked your captors for beers and was acting like 'oh so cool' whilst your friend is being sexually abused? May i politely ask how you weren't in shock? Bow didn't the captors notice this peculiar behavior? Its very possibly my reptile brain is not understanding fully, but in my mind this doesn't add up. I'm not saying i dont believe you, im merely curious how this came to be, because im too stupid to understand. And i wish you and your friend the absolute best, and hope my comment didn't scratch open an old wound.
@@neverenoughgames72 NOTE: It was one man who abducted us…. When I was 15 I knew how to play the dumb card since people under estimate the power of the brain of the adolescent. When I asked for a beer in a light headed manner I did so with my great acting skills that I developed always being the lead At my school plays and knowing that life requires acting to get what you want and in this case it was to save my friend because as she was being abused i could have escaped on my own and left her to face a terrible destiny because even if I escaped and called the police moments later it might have been too late for her.
@@incremental_failure back then it was 1991 and cell phones were not yet accessible and alls I wanted was to get back home and not get caught from my parents that I snuck out of the house in the first place. Back then in Florida there was a curfew and teens would get in trouble for going out late. So I did not want police involved as well JUST TO GO HOME AND BE GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT IM ALIVE.
Thank you for covering this case and for bringing some awareness on the femicide problem my country, Greece, is facing..
Misogyny is everywhere, not only in Greece. This case still stings.
@3rrlia Yep!!! Nasty people!
@3rrlia Saying that a whole nations culture is misogynistic is kinda insulting for the commenter to make such an absurd conclusion out of a small minority which takes advantage of the bad justice system...
Reminder that women get less time for the same crimes as men
So is misandry
@@thatruth8900 what does your comment have to do with this video??
Not only does Adrian give us full details and explanation of crimes his articulation and accent is top notch. I love coffee house crime ❤
The fact she was still alive after everything is just beyond sad and amazing. To think if someone had been around that area her body was they could’ve saved her life from her drowning 😢
I'm usually pretty okay with listening to this kind of stuff, but the part where she was still alive after being thrown off the bridge made me feel so sick. How she was alive and drowning.
Eleni deserved so much better
This case has to be the most angering one you covered in a long time. Everything about the attack itself and how it was treated is appalling is vile. It really brings your faith in humanity down
there have always been good people throughout history who fought for freedom and justice and decency, but few and far between , evil exists and many just turn a blind eye
I could not agree more with you
I agree. The level of violence is beyond evil. Makes one wonder how many more victims of these two are out there.
If you watch a lot of true crime your level of faith in humanity is already pretty freakin low
@@HeatherHolt Facts 😩
I can’t believe you’re covering a case from my country! 😮 this case and unfortunately many other similar cases shocked and enraged people of my country 😢
Thank you so much for exposing the political / financial power & rampant sexism in Greece. It's important to raise awareness.
My grandmother is Athenian Greek and when she saw this case and the way that the victim was slandered, shamed and blamed in the media, she wasn't surprised and told me that she was glad that she had left Greece to have her family somewhere else. (Her family wasn't the kindest to her either growing up.)
RIP Eleni ❤️
One of the murderers was albanian though.... enough with the racism against greeks and greece. You should be ashamed of talking so bad cause greece is part of your dna. Greeks are the only people i have heard talking bad about their country
It s because of the pornography. The men want to immitate what male and female prostitutes do on camera ...men do not think for a second these people are being payed to do really disgusting things on camera. Men think this is how sex is in real life lol. These two murderers wanted to do a dp on the girl like they saw it in pornography. She resisted and they beaten her up to perform it and she became unconscious from the injury in her head and they thought she died so they threw the body away so they can avoid jail. Btw the one guy was albanian.
@@carlwermar8161 Sir, I only said what my grandmother told me of her life experience growing up in Greece. You don't get to dictate how people should feel about their own experiences and how that affects their outlook on their countries of origin. I love being Greek but no country or culture is perfect. Good day to you.
@@areiaaphrodite what kind of bullshit is that!
Her family adored her! Her father is so gentle it makes feel even worse about what he had to go through (if that is possible)..
Her mother broke everyone’s heart with her pain of her loosing her beloved daughter, a woman with values who worked very hard to support her daughter reach her dreams.
Nobody blamed her at the media! Or shamed her! That’s total crap, the only thing that was told is that she should have spoken to her parents when some other guys harassed her there so her parents could guide her to protect herself!
The only people who were blamed in the media was the police and the some of the locals including the parents of these boys who knew that these guys were harassing girls for years and did nothing!
How. dare you talk about Elenis family , they adored her and when this murder happed the greek media showed how Eleni was a beautiful sole , always supporting people , She was abused ,thrown away she was broken, poor girl , REST IN PEACE. ELENI. TOPALOUDI , Condolences to the family !
I’m sorry but if I know for a fact my kid did something like this, I would disown him and be done with him for life, definitely not spending my money on him, his parents are so stupid, I can’t believe the law just let them basically get away with it! I can’t stand the law in my country let alone other countries 🤦🏻♀️
@ brandy Beach you are absolutely correct!! How can u be so blind as a parent that u are willing to justify their horrible behavior!!! SHAME ON THESE KIND OF PARENTS!!!
Unfortunately, his parents most likely created this monster by enabling him and never holding him responsible for anything bad he ever did
I guess they raised him that way in the first place...
rich people don't play by the same rules everyone else does. it "rules for thee and not for me". that's probably why he felt entitled and thought he could do anything with no consequences. a very dangerous thing to instill in anyone
Unfortunately I agree with you...
They only thing I can say I’m happy about in this case is there crimes being used against them in jail!!! I hope the screamed and begged and that they had the worst pain In the world! How arrogant and entitled 😡 that poor girl.. it’s actually made me not even want to go to Greece, if I’m not going to be protected as a woman.
gosh this was so sad. that poor girl possibly still ALIVE atfter being thrown off just kills me.
Never let a guy pick you up, creeps & stalkers offer that. There are so many entitled narcissistic men in the online dating world. Such a terrible outcome, RIP Eleni🙏💔
you have had a head start as you have learned about narcs and their red flags.
just don't meet men online at all
@@craigime Plenty of good people online. Just not on the online dating sites.
There needs to be more conversations about trusting your gut instinct. She knew something was off whenever a friend was with him. Right then and there she should have left. But she was a fighter. Sucks that she died so young and in such a horrific way.
She should have had mace, she would have been able to spray both of them, or at least one of them and had fought the other and then escaped. When you go on dates make sure you have a can of space or any form protection with you when you go on a date, in case it gets dangerous.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 You won’t have too get into a physical fight.... If you stay in public places!!! Go to a restaurant.... have lunch, talk, take a walk in the mall! DO NOT GO TO SOMEONE’S HOUSE!!!
@@elainevankat5353 Come on man you know some people are just ignorant. I'm not saying the woman here is ignorant, but yeah people in those types of cases can be ignorant.
More women should learn self defence...
Or go on double dates with very good and trustworthy friends.
@@elainevankat5353 in public places people usually don't do anything. They just watch sh*t happen. Maybe it depends on the country but this is my experience.
Thank you for producing this. It is very important to bring these cases to light. Please look more into Greece, sadly there are many cases that would make for good episodes
That poor baby🙏🏾❤️I pray she’s at rest and the courts need to seriously recognize when offenders feel no remorse this is a very clear sign their a danger to society and should never be back on anyone streets! May God grant her parents some sense of peace🙏🏾❤️🩹
My heart breaks for her. I remember being a young woman and feeling uncomfortable in situations but feeling too polite to say no
May she rest in peace
You're still a young woman. Don't let society convince you otherwise. I don't know how old you are, 25, 28? But society convince women that they are old once they are no longer in their early 20s and 30s which is so wrong. We decide when we want to feel old. I'd say 60+ is when I'll start to feel old. You can still look amazing in your 50s and 60s.
"Not wanting to sound rude, she needed to find an excuse."
Ladies and gents, don't ever be afraid to be rude in situations like these. If you feel uncomfortable, think of yourself rather than the other person.
Thank you for honoring her with your respectful approach to the case. RIP Eleni 🕊️
You became one of my favorite channels some time ago. When i saw the thumbnail i got goosebumps. Im Greek and i remember this case vividly. I was very sad at that time and when this case happened it devastated me. There is a huge rise of "revenge p**n" in Greece and there was a university student who commited suicide in the city i live and the guilty party were never found.
Watching this, it reminded me of the trial of Brock Turner here in the US. His parents threw money at the situation, wrote bs sob story letters about how their son was such a good boy, and his lawyers did all they could to drag the victim's reputation through the mud.
That photo of Eleni's grave at the end really got me...her family leaving a 25th birthday cake for her made me break down.
lawyers for rich people always try this tactic
Great comparison!
Thank you for mentioning this because it really rubbed me the wrong way how the presenter as well as many of the comments pretend this is a Greece-problem. Misogyny and victim-blaming are an *everywhere* problem. And unfortunately, affluence and status being able to buy you privileges, even with the law, are an everywhere problem too. This video was very insensitive to Greece.
This is really similar to a very publicized case in Turkey. The Şule Çet case was a huge fight against the corrupt judicial system who tried to cover up for the two rich boys who were the perpetrators. There were massive protests which I also supported. Very sad case, would be nice if you could cover it.
RIP Eleni. My heart goes out to the Topaloudi family. So heartbreaking.
Poetic Justice. RIP Beautiful young lady. I'm sorry to All who suffer over the loss of this girl. God bless y'all