HOW TO: Build an aquarium sump - fluidized moving bed filter
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2015
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In today's video, i show an example on how to build a basic moving bed sump for your aquarium, while discussing the pros and cons.
How to build an emerged sump: goo.gl/TpOgjy
How to build a submerged sump: goo.gl/JDmsMr
How to build a fluidized sump: goo.gl/AByVwb - Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
This is cool, I have a tip: you should take a big handful of filter media and lightly boil it with some clothing dye or food coloring to stain the pieces red or black or whatever. It helps when designing a system if you cannot only see the motion, but can track individual pieces to see that they are moving throughout the system and not just circulating in one small area like a funnel. The goal isn’t just to get everything spinning like a wheel but to have it going from the outside to the inside and the walls to the center and the bottom to the top without creating too many blow flowing spots.
I've decided to get back into this hobby with a bang, planning to buy a used 150 gallon off craigslist. Your channel has helped me figure out how to do what I want, how to deal with any tank flaws, and how to do all the pretty things I want to do. Just wanted to say it's nice to see someone so knowledgeable and passionate about something pushing the limits of his hobby. You're one hoopy frood, friend.
Your electric company must send you a nice Xmas gift
Well done Joey, I can always count on ***** to have a video on exactly what I need, when I need it. LOL. It's like you're watching my tank and saying, "hmm, what would he need next?" LOL. Great video very educational, but I think I'll wait on the rest of the series to come out before I decide which Sump I'm going to build. I'll be looking for the quietest running sump, as my tank is in my living room as a display. Thanks again Joey for such a great series.
Wow, your use of egg crate to mark the holes in the acylic was brilliant, thanks! I never thought of that! I guess that's just experience!
Actually i'm coming from the pond industry in which i have some experience in, and i just gotten into aquariums and i'm loving your videos so thanks a lot! one thing i wanted to point out is that you missed the one biggest pro for a fluidized filter (or a MBBR - Moving Bed Bio Reactor, which is how we call it in the pond industry) - the fact that because the media is constantly being moved from the bottom to the top of the water, the bacteria will always opt to take the oxygen from the air and not from the water. as the media rotates in the water its kind of like a person being drowned, and being pulled out for air every few seconds. he will hold his breath when he is under water and when he gets pulled out he will take a big breath. so what this does is giving the bacteria a lot of oxygen (about 20% in the atmosphere) and prevents it from taking it from the water, where you want to keep DO (dissolved oxygen) levels as high as possible. a lot like the trickle tower (which takes oxygen from the atmosphere and not from the water), only without the disadvantage of losing head-power from the pump regarding you having to raise water in height.
Nice explanation. I like your addition
Agreed
nice
bacterias dont think and dont chose betweeen options they survive and will take the oxigen available wherever it is and wherever they are..bacterias dont say" hey guys! you know what!? lets just wait ! Hold your breathe and when we go up we just take a good and fresh oxigen.Dont breathe this one!"..just BS ,you,"expert coming from the pond industry"..
Really excited about this series! Hopeful I learn some things that i can put on my 500 gallon project. Keep up the great work-Jack
How to build an emerged sump: goo.gl/TpOgjy
How to build a submerged sump: goo.gl/JDmsMr
How to build a fluidized sump: goo.gl/AByVwb
Hi Joey,
your Arowana got a really beautiful one, good job!
Thank your for your work with your Videos and your handbook!
Cheers
Brilliant series! Can't wait to see the next two.
Very nice filtration mate, really efficient and can hold alot of bio media 👍
Another awesome series, different types of sumps with their pros and cons. You've answer a lot question I had on moving bed filters. Thinking of adding one to my ap system ( in the Aquaponic world bio-filter). Fired Up!!!
Slim Tim Thanks Tim. I wanted to give an honest review on this method of filtration, because at times it seams it has been blown way out of proportion in terms of popularity. With that said, i wanted to make an attempt at an unbiased video to insure everyone knows what they are getting into. To be honest, the 300gal sump i run now with it will probably be my last.
I enjoy your vids. I don't always agree with what you do, but I always admire that you do it. And I lovethis three part series on filters. Totally awesome. Thanks for making and sharing. And I'm looking forward to more.
Thanks for the great video. I was wondering if the k1 would still be as effective if powerheads were used to tumble the media rather than an air pump and airstone?
this sump is simply amazing, fluidized probably the best and also the most expansive.
Brilliant idea joey! Thanks
A little trick I learned for the live well on a saltwater tropical fish collecting boat to airate the water.
We used a 12 volt bilge pump to draw the water up to the top. Halfway up was an inline charcoal canister filter. You put an elbow at the top, and for the air you put a "T" 1 inch from the elbow. Place a 6 inch riser in the "T" with a cap on it with several holes drill in it. And a 5" nipple out from the "T".
When the water reaches the riser it picks up an incredible amount of air, and looks like a cascade of air bubbles coming out of the pipe. The charcoal canister filter eliminated the ammonia in the water.
This rig was what we also used in a van to transport the fish in from the lower keys to Miami, and the fish were fine on arrival. But I wouldn't push that rig more than a couple of hrs without a water change.
Anyway, it's a great way to bring a water bubble waterfall into the tank without an airpump.
What about in a saltwater aquarium? Is a fluidized sump a good option? Built one that follows my refugium based on this vid. You are the man! Great vid
Joey you are the man dude! wish I had friends like you.
Such interesting video, i'm going to use for the first time in 19 years of fish keeping a sump filter and i want to use this type.
Wat also can be interesting is to compare on what the cost differences and technique improvements are compared in those 8 year span, deffinetely would watch that video. It would also be a interesting video series to watch "then VS now"
Greetings from The Netherlands
Hey Joey
Love the video's. I want to start a saltwater tank with 2 10 gallon tanks linked with a water bridge. I would also like to have it filtered with a 10 gallon sump. What would you recommend setting up first the sump or the tanks? I just want some corals and a pair of clownfish with maybe a dragonet.
Joey,
It looked like you were using two different types of silicone when you were installing the baffles in the sump? Was that just because the one chamber was too small to fit the caulk gun in there or is there some other reason?
Rich's Fishes You got it! Its always a good idea to have a large tube/caulking gun on hand as well as a squeezable tube. The squeezable tubes come in handy for the tight spots, but i dont like using them as much.
Very interesting video! Also I have to say, your arrowana is looking amazing!!
Wow. This video is old! Love it.
I wish I could just go back in the video with out starting all over trying to get all the information takes for ever. great video
Thanks Joe Your are Great Men, Because i know less people who share their knowledge because less people know by sharing knowledge its increase.
Hi! I really enjoy learning a lot about filters etc with your channel, thanks! One question about this fluidized method - I've seen you using this in barrels and other external, open types of containers, but would the method still used in a closed, totally submerged internal sump? That is a sort of sump hidden within the actual aquarium? Or does it need to have an open surface for the oxygen exchange?
By the way, Great videos. I've been watching since your first upload.
Rob Coberg Thanks Rob!
Very helpful at explaining thank you
thank you for all the stuff you've done! Have you ever thought of doing an aquaponics system?
Great video. Your arowana looks amazing.
Kurt-Eric Wurzbacher Thank you!
hey Joey.
would you see think I would see any benefit at all from a combo trickle filter that empties in to fluidized bed?
Very nice! A tip, you can use Perlite. It is extreamly porous and lightweight and it flows around just like that. But its DIRT CHEAP.
I am completely lost. I have a 420 aquarium with a 90 gallon tank underneath as the sump. The portion allocated for the k1 media measures 32.5" long x 18" deep x 23" tall. I don't feel the water up to 23". I leave about a 6" to 7" space for power outrages. How much k1 should I be using?
Hey Joey, Im building a 55g sump for my 125g planted tetra tank and I cant decide on Emerged or submerged media. Any reason not to do both in one sump. Though submerged will give me more water volume right? I need to get it right because I cant get it out from under my stand once the tank is on top. Thanks and Mad props on the gallery. Its looking amazing
Joey which are the filtration types do you think is best on a rack system? I'm in the process of designing a rack for Discus and trying to work out the best filtration system for them
Hey King ! Would you think that puting the media in a mech bag for cycling time and then realese it will held cycling quickly?
Good info Joey! How's the weather over there, it's descent over here in Alberta.
so would you recommend me having a sump on my 55 gal, I have a green spotted puffer and I thought it would be great to have a sump because of the high ammonia they put out
In your newest tank I think u should do a saltwater setup and show us how to do it start to finish with your own diy skimmers LEDs ect keep up the good work
Oh man, I thought that was macaroni in there at first. Thanks for the video - really helped me understand the process.
Have you had any experience using plastic pot scrubbers as bio media? Apparently it's a widely used alternative in large pond filters. Thinking of giving it a try in my aquaponics system.
I still love going back to your videos
Wow what amazing timing I'm just in the process of building my sump for a 6x4x2 tank. Thanks for this video!
gavin fowler AWESOME dimensions! What will be going in it?
Hopefully a couple of freshwater Rays , some Geophagus Tapajo and dine congo tetra
gavin fowler Hopefully and rays do not belong in the same sentence. You should always say rays to me when i ask. hahaha
***** definatly Rays just found a couple of great breeders in the Uk. Don't suppose you have done any videos on repairing l.e.d ac adapters? Mine stopped last night! :(
You are great! Thanks you!
I have a 55gal main tank freshwater with an Aqeon QuietFlow 55/75 gal/hr filter.
personally i am not satisfied and i want additional filtration as my nitrate seems to be high!
i want to build a 10 gal below tank fluidized moving bed for additional / secondary filtration.
"as a rule of thumb run pump 6x main tank per hour". 55x6=330.
since i already have a filter installed can i get away with 220 gal/hr?
are there any cons if i were to get a ~580 gal/hr pump? or even higher ~840?
Joey I love your videos. But I'm stumped. In your fluidized sump video you use the rigid air bubble sticks. I can't find them anywhere. Can you point me in right direction? I'm sure it's something simple like I'm searching by the wrong name. Thanks in advance
Holy moving bed filter. Good video joey
***** Thanks Pal.
Would a few massive powerheads have the same effect with much less noise?
Old question, yes.
You can use Wavemakers to quiet it down a bit.
@@Glasrandkantehuh, good idea. only stipulation is the cost of wavemakers compared to an airline system, as well as how many/how strong the wavemakers would have to be for a larger sump
great video
For 15 years I have used K1 Kaldness on my koi pond system. It is super stuff for filtration, originally used for filtration of industrial waste water. It is very efficient and saves pond owners from expensive high volume filters. I agree it is noisy because of the air but at the other hand you don't need much K1 to filter a fish tank so you also don't need much air. The volume of K1 which is shown in the video for the general used fish tanks is a big overkill as it is very efficient. I used less for 30 mature koi. In most cases 1-2 ltrs of K1 is already sufficient. If I would start with a fish tank I will choose the conventional way of filtering (with foam). The benefit of K1 comes when the tank volumes are higher than most of the at home used fish tanks because then you can keep your filter volume low by using K1.
So you mena that this K1 would be very good to be used in an system with high organic load like a central filter for high density discus fish culture...??
The amount of k1 on this is astounding, more like filtering a giant pond than just two tanks...... If I remember correctly, beneficial bacterias only thrives depending on the amount of ammonia your tank produces, no more, since theres nothing to consume anymore... I guess there's an equilibrium point wherein x amount of ammonia to x amount of beneficial bacterias, and adding more beneficial bacterias would not do anything.
Hey I wanna ask something. How much power (L/min perhaps) of your aerator pump used in this video? Thank you!
What is the Air pump you are using in the video to get the K1 moving so well?
Thanks so much! Great Vids!
Haha. Love going back to your early stuff.
How many gallons of K1 media do u suggest for a same design sump, made of 110 gal tank?
what sump would you recommend for a planted discus tank?
Hey Joey, question,.. could a Sun-Sun canister filter be used as a fluidized moving bed type filter??? Basically removing everything inside the canister, and installing K1 in it...
Another 3 part series, you love making us wait don't ya
Gabriel Carvalho I know! Its just the luck of the draw. It's what i had ready for today.
Hi Joey this video is very helpful. But now a days I am facing some problems with K1 medias. Initially all were floating and rotating, but now all are sinking and headrly move to upwards with air bubbles. Please tell what to do to solve this problem.
what volume of aqua kaldnes K1 micro filter media required per 100 liters of aquarium water ?
Joey, what size pump should I use in a 40 gallon fluidised sump to drive K1 media?
what supplier can you recommend for a large volume of k1?
Good video Joey. Not to take a way from the video content, but it was cool to see your Aro again. Love that fish.
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+The king of DIY looks like VERY liquidy porridge
+ Các vua DIY Can you tell me the name of the white stuff is not ? thanks a lot
+fo3 inven K1 Caldness
What about the application for count water exchange. Can you tell me? Thank
Is there a reason you can't cover up the fluidized filter to reduce humidity? Also thank you for your videos. My fish tank is becoming very awesome thanks to you :)
Ever tried to integrate a nanobubble generator to the fluidized bed filter? I am curious if this would increase the efficiency (I am basing this on the notion that aerobic bacteria needs to have a rich environment to work). Any thoughts?
Sir, Instead of using the K1 media, can we use the MMBR media they use for large industrial waste water treatment? They are priced much cheaper compared to K1 & have more surface area too..
Hai TheKingofDIY I have 25x40x30 (cm) chamber with 10litre helix k1. Which air pump i have to choose? 12kpa is enough?
Where do you buy your acrylic from? How much does it cost roughly to build say a 300 gallon acrylic aquarium? Acrylic cost that is
you're the man!
Hi Joey,
As i see 4 water inlets ("when inlets have water force") won't that be enough to rumble k1 without air pump? I know oxygenation is good for bacterial colonization won't that be attained by constant aeration of surface bcoz of water force? If I am right then I can plan for my sump.
Hey Joey,
I was just curious seeing all of your use of acrylic... where do you find the best value sheets? I'm in Toronto so I might have some of the same retailers here that you may use. Thanks !
Look up piedmont plastics. There's one in Scarborough.
What air stones are you using?
Where can you get them?
Thanks
thinking of adding a fresh water refugium to a submerged sump. thoughts?
@the king of DIY - How to make the air line? Thanks fir the video.
This is your basic biofilter with a mechanical filter attached....this seems like a great option for heavy load tanks or grow out tanks.
Hello, I have it in my sump. A repetition with 25x30x40. 30ltr of water. Do you think 5ltr of kandles k1 micro is enough?
I found some K1 online but it doesnt look like the ones you have. This one has 5 chambers in the center instead of the 4 in your video. Does this matter? Does the brand matter?
Have you ever considered going for glass sand as a filter? It's really effective, and it has wonderful bio-filtration capabilities.
idk if it was before or after this comment off the top of my head (you can look into it if you're still curious) but at some point he made a video of a small fluidized filter using pool filter sand
Hello, what is the clean solution for the moving bed filter, and are there alternatives if this component is not available in my country
cant u make the media urself? Like getting tubing and cutting to the same size as that media. Would that work or no?
The k-1 media is KING of all media!!!! Speaking from personal experience.
You can also use wagon wheel pasta instead of K1 as a cheap alternative that doubles as a quick, nutrient-dense snack
I setup a hang on the back fluidized moving bed filter. Thanks Joey!
Just filled it with bioballs?
@@joshuapowers5590 something like that, a glass media.
It reminds me of my first Axelrod salt book , anticeptic. noise needs work , I am jealous
I have the same system in a water disposal cleaning system. Moving plasticbits. You say the media cleans of old bacteria, but it also allows just the hard bacterias to stay in the filter. So the the weak ones is by by.
How did you make the air bubbler and where did u get the parts?
which app do you use by your phone as a noisemeter?
Hi Joey. I’ve made a moving bed filter like you’ve got here. It works pretty well overall but I find when the water starts flowing through the sump I get some dead zones as the horizontal flow pushed the media towards to return pump section of the sump. While I have a screen and sponge there to prevent the media from entering, the K1 tends to build up along the screen and not fluidize well. Additionally as the water level drops I get increasingly less fluidizing. I’ve got 6 massive 6 inch air stones across two massive air pumps already. Is more air the answer? Less media? Slower return flow? It’s a 120 display with a 32 gallon sump, 1200 gph return.
try putting you air stones at either end of the tank. that will cause the K1 to roll up both ends and agitate the ones in the middle.
If you are intend to use it for a planted tank it is a benefit to replace air stream with water-pump to keep CO2 .
Nice one
NYCity Cichlids :)
is that a glass aquarium ur putting the acrilic baffels in ?
Those air stones where did you get those and what air pump are you using
Can you use this filtration for salt water aquariums?
Where did you get the plastic airtube that you glued to the tile?
would a fluidized sump work as a filter for a swimming pool?
i’m think about similar to a natural pool?
if yes, would you elavorate for us in detail here in comment section or in a new video.
Do you know if these things are hollow inside or are they solid?
Currently I'm using a 2500lph wavemaker and a 160lph airpump to circulate my k1 chamber. It's doing the job but I only want 1 thing to be powering it. What can I use? A powerful wavemaker?
On point, as is the norm!!
Dwayne Brooks :)
Love the k1!
Willy d. aquatics I have a love/hate relationship with it.
Have you seen ***** k1 cichlid tank? Pimp!
Willy d. aquatics No, i have not seen it. Although he is an active subscriber of my channel. I do remember at one point that my fluidised sump(original video) was the inspiration for his. I will have to check it out.
***** yeah man take a peek. It's a beautiful set up and makes me want to set up a cichlid tank again.
Hey joey I don't know if you still look at these comments but it's worth a try. Is abs pipe safe for aquarium. I don't wanna kill my cichlids all off because of a pipe choice. Can you help me?