I just discovered you guys a month ago and let me just say, my life has been changed!! I was raised in the Amish culture and did not realize just how TOXIC that culture is for women, men too but definitely much worse for the women!! I'm so freaking happy i discovered you guys, keep doing the good work that you do! God bless you and happy 3 years🎉
I’m so not usually in this space of twitter/social media and I consider myself a very conservative woman but I recommend this book to anyone I know. It just tells the truth. Truth should not have political or religious lines it can’t cross.
Here's a great quote from the show: Lessons In Chemistry (AMAZING show btw!!) "Because people who don't ask questions have blind faith, and blind faith is the furthest thing from faith"
In terms of people critiquing you for exposing harmful teachings- I was reassured years ago by a verse in Eph 5... above and before the famous "household codes". It is verse 11, and says: "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." I work as a psychologist (and a Christian) and often see women in abusive relationships where the husband claims to be a Christian and the woman feels like she needs to hide what is happening (often, even to herself). I love that the Lord (via Paul) tells us to expose sin. You guys are just doing what Paul instructs us to do. (And I love that it is in the same chapter as the household codes!)
Hi ladies! Thanks for your ministry! I only recently started listening and have learned so much. Previously was told you were “mark and avoid”😆Have since learned so much. Thanks for being brave!
First! 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤ Just love what is happening here, with the book and all the healthy messages being spread to counter the toxic messages that have permeated society at large for FAR too long! Bless you, Ladies!
56:21 Love this. At our ex church that we left 3 years ago, when my husband and I were doing premarital counselling with the pastor, he handed me a book (not my husband, ME) on birth control and how it was bad 😳 I never ended up reading it because I thought it was super inappropriate, but that was the culture of the church. The leaders got to say and teach whatever ideologies they wanted, and so much of their culture was very controlling of marriage "ideals" and children. Nothing but stereotypical gender roles were taught or advised in our counselling and at the time I was too indoctrinated to understand what was happening and I happily drank the Kool Aid because I just wanted to be married. Thankfully I married a great guy who is safe and we are so happy we left that church!! (Now we just have to find a better one, haha) ETA: Picked up GSR in 2022 and my life was forever changed! Thank you Sheila & team! God is so good :)
OH! I want you all to make a short of the second letter (I think it was) at about 23 minutes in--- I want to share that around!!! Yes, the books we read and teaching we kept hearing was giving men a pass, not treating them like they could be adults.
17:30 Good to hear you have surveyed men to test this hypothesis ("men are doing fine"). Since so many of us have been taught so badly and have such bad role models, I certainly wouldn't take that for granted.
28:30 I remember questioning why it was that, despite all the horrific things church has done and is doing to women, nonetheless, church has more women than men. My theory now (and perhaps this is an interesting potential research project ...) is that actually the problem is ... patriarchy. Because patriarchy tells us that men can never admit fault, and repentance is at the heart of Christianity.
Though thinking ... since we're brought up to expect the world to revolve around us (not just by church), maybe that doesn't help us submit ourselves to God either
47:17 protecting teachers vs protecting the sheep. There's a power dynamic here, and I think it's significant that a lot of church and secular culture especially in and around the US seeks specifically to deny people the language and perception of power dynamics. Which is in itself a facilitator of abuse: darvo.
It's plagiarism. Using other people's research without citation is plagiarism. People who do that are not operating with integrity. It is a terrible witness.
Y’all don’t have to cut the podcast for time! Thursday mornings listening to your podcast is a highlight of my week. I don’t care if they’re three hours long. I would love to hang out with you three (and Connor and Keith ) for a long time any Thursday.
I love the term you coined "evangelical industrial complex". I have lost all faith in that. But i am encouraged by your reports of individuals changing. And really, big movements are made up of millions of individuals influencing each other. One topic i hope you will explore on this podcast is dating after dearh or divorce. (I'm a widow) I follow you for your ex-purity culture content.
Thank you! And "evangelical industrial complex" I think came first from Skye Jethani of the Holy Post podcast? It's so good! I do get asked a lot about dating later in life. I'll try to see if I can find an expert to have on the podcast!
Calling out the bad teaching is important, and how can you for that without addressing what was actually being said. And those who speak as teachers and leaders are to be held to the greater standard. As public figures, naming publicly is totally valid.
I am again reminded that across the pond religion is indeed such a different creature. Not that we don't have pockets of that teaching, but it is not dominant in the church or community. I have always seen you and your work as essentially conservative in faith. Yet to those you challenge you are treated as dangerous with liberal ideas such as equal value in marriage. When I found your podcast I was pleased that there was a faithful voice inside the camp, not just the cries about purity culture and toxic marriage teaching from those for whom leaving the teaching included leaving the faith. Sadly those in positions of power and influence are no more open to truth tellers inside the camp than those they label deserters, but are the flock they themselves have driven away from faith. Isn't there something about millstone around the necks of those who cause others to stumble. Personally, as a woolly liberal, I think those who have lost faith, or had it stolen from them through toxic teaching and the need of those in charge to 'be right', the God of grace i encounter would I believe welcome those wanderers in the last day. For the God they turned their backs on is the false God of the toxic systems, and often they speak out against the damage and injustice with a Micah spirit that despite rejecting the only version of faith presented too them takes them closer to God's call on us in life. Your work is vitally important as you well know. And yes not merely as relationship repair, but in saving those who feel they need to choose faith or healthiness.
Sheila please! Let's talk about you coming to Jamaica. As a man, Jesus follower and a man, I have been powerfully impacted by the book. Want to get this message out there.
The Great Sex Rescue changed my entire view of sex and marriage. I re-read Song of Songs with fresh eyes and wept, realizing how beautiful it was. I honestly thought my body wasn't capable of the same levels of arousal I had before losing my virginity because I've gotten older or because I had to have surgery to remove one of my ovaries. I basically thought my vagina died, lol. She was resurrected reading your book and looking at what Scripture actually says rather than filtering it through destructive mindsets. Regarding calling out other books/authors - I think it's very necessary to look at what those destructive messages are in order to understand the damage. I really hope that you contacted those authors and shared your research with them before you published and called them out. If you didn't give them any chance to repent and comment on your findings before going public, you maybe do owe them an apology.(Matthew 18:15-21) But, it sounds like you did do that privately at minimum with Love & Respect and they didn't even care enough to respond. I find that as shocking and heartbreaking as Joanna did. I wonder if they would have if they knew they were going to get called on it. I certainly appreciate you all!
I just discovered you guys a month ago and let me just say, my life has been changed!! I was raised in the Amish culture and did not realize just how TOXIC that culture is for women, men too but definitely much worse for the women!! I'm so freaking happy i discovered you guys, keep doing the good work that you do! God bless you and happy 3 years🎉
I’m so not usually in this space of twitter/social media and I consider myself a very conservative woman but I recommend this book to anyone I know. It just tells the truth. Truth should not have political or religious lines it can’t cross.
I love Rebecca's skepticism. It's the legacy of true Christianity. Never lose it.
Here's a great quote from the show: Lessons In Chemistry (AMAZING show btw!!)
"Because people who don't ask questions have blind faith, and blind faith is the furthest thing from faith"
In terms of people critiquing you for exposing harmful teachings- I was reassured years ago by a verse in Eph 5... above and before the famous "household codes". It is verse 11, and says: "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."
I work as a psychologist (and a Christian) and often see women in abusive relationships where the husband claims to be a Christian and the woman feels like she needs to hide what is happening (often, even to herself). I love that the Lord (via Paul) tells us to expose sin. You guys are just doing what Paul instructs us to do. (And I love that it is in the same chapter as the household codes!)
Thank you!
Hi ladies! Thanks for your ministry! I only recently started listening and have learned so much. Previously was told you were “mark and avoid”😆Have since learned so much. Thanks for being brave!
Tearing up listening to the letters from readers. I could have wrote those. Still struggling with my self as a woman.
First! 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Just love what is happening here, with the book and all the healthy messages being spread to counter the toxic messages that have permeated society at large for FAR too long!
Bless you, Ladies!
56:21 Love this. At our ex church that we left 3 years ago, when my husband and I were doing premarital counselling with the pastor, he handed me a book (not my husband, ME) on birth control and how it was bad 😳 I never ended up reading it because I thought it was super inappropriate, but that was the culture of the church. The leaders got to say and teach whatever ideologies they wanted, and so much of their culture was very controlling of marriage "ideals" and children. Nothing but stereotypical gender roles were taught or advised in our counselling and at the time I was too indoctrinated to understand what was happening and I happily drank the Kool Aid because I just wanted to be married. Thankfully I married a great guy who is safe and we are so happy we left that church!! (Now we just have to find a better one, haha)
ETA: Picked up GSR in 2022 and my life was forever changed! Thank you Sheila & team! God is so good :)
OH! I want you all to make a short of the second letter (I think it was) at about 23 minutes in--- I want to share that around!!!
Yes, the books we read and teaching we kept hearing was giving men a pass, not treating them like they could be adults.
Happy 3rd Bday GSR!🎉🥳🥳🥳
17:30 Good to hear you have surveyed men to test this hypothesis ("men are doing fine"). Since so many of us have been taught so badly and have such bad role models, I certainly wouldn't take that for granted.
28:30 I remember questioning why it was that, despite all the horrific things church has done and is doing to women, nonetheless, church has more women than men. My theory now (and perhaps this is an interesting potential research project ...) is that actually the problem is ... patriarchy. Because patriarchy tells us that men can never admit fault, and repentance is at the heart of Christianity.
Though thinking ... since we're brought up to expect the world to revolve around us (not just by church), maybe that doesn't help us submit ourselves to God either
47:17 protecting teachers vs protecting the sheep. There's a power dynamic here, and I think it's significant that a lot of church and secular culture especially in and around the US seeks specifically to deny people the language and perception of power dynamics. Which is in itself a facilitator of abuse: darvo.
It's plagiarism. Using other people's research without citation is plagiarism. People who do that are not operating with integrity. It is a terrible witness.
Thank you.
Yeah, most universities will forgive a prank or drunk and disorderly behavior, but they will never forgive plagiarism. 😂
@@mgold7503 Note she didn't say your findings weren't true!
Y’all don’t have to cut the podcast for time! Thursday mornings listening to your podcast is a highlight of my week. I don’t care if they’re three hours long. I would love to hang out with you three (and Connor and Keith ) for a long time any Thursday.
I love the term you coined "evangelical industrial complex". I have lost all faith in that. But i am encouraged by your reports of individuals changing. And really, big movements are made up of millions of individuals influencing each other.
One topic i hope you will explore on this podcast is dating after dearh or divorce. (I'm a widow) I follow you for your ex-purity culture content.
Thank you! And "evangelical industrial complex" I think came first from Skye Jethani of the Holy Post podcast? It's so good! I do get asked a lot about dating later in life. I'll try to see if I can find an expert to have on the podcast!
Calling out the bad teaching is important, and how can you for that without addressing what was actually being said. And those who speak as teachers and leaders are to be held to the greater standard. As public figures, naming publicly is totally valid.
And NOT defamation because it's true.
Congratulations
I am again reminded that across the pond religion is indeed such a different creature. Not that we don't have pockets of that teaching, but it is not dominant in the church or community.
I have always seen you and your work as essentially conservative in faith. Yet to those you challenge you are treated as dangerous with liberal ideas such as equal value in marriage. When I found your podcast I was pleased that there was a faithful voice inside the camp, not just the cries about purity culture and toxic marriage teaching from those for whom leaving the teaching included leaving the faith.
Sadly those in positions of power and influence are no more open to truth tellers inside the camp than those they label deserters, but are the flock they themselves have driven away from faith.
Isn't there something about millstone around the necks of those who cause others to stumble. Personally, as a woolly liberal, I think those who have lost faith, or had it stolen from them through toxic teaching and the need of those in charge to 'be right', the God of grace i encounter would I believe welcome those wanderers in the last day. For the God they turned their backs on is the false God of the toxic systems, and often they speak out against the damage and injustice with a Micah spirit that despite rejecting the only version of faith presented too them takes them closer to God's call on us in life.
Your work is vitally important as you well know. And yes not merely as relationship repair, but in saving those who feel they need to choose faith or healthiness.
This is so nicely articulated. Thank you for sharing
Sheila please! Let's talk about you coming to Jamaica. As a man, Jesus follower and a man, I have been powerfully impacted by the book. Want to get this message out there.
Whoa I would have never expected Sheila to put a blue strip in her hair! You go Mama
The Great Sex Rescue changed my entire view of sex and marriage. I re-read Song of Songs with fresh eyes and wept, realizing how beautiful it was. I honestly thought my body wasn't capable of the same levels of arousal I had before losing my virginity because I've gotten older or because I had to have surgery to remove one of my ovaries. I basically thought my vagina died, lol. She was resurrected reading your book and looking at what Scripture actually says rather than filtering it through destructive mindsets. Regarding calling out other books/authors - I think it's very necessary to look at what those destructive messages are in order to understand the damage. I really hope that you contacted those authors and shared your research with them before you published and called them out. If you didn't give them any chance to repent and comment on your findings before going public, you maybe do owe them an apology.(Matthew 18:15-21) But, it sounds like you did do that privately at minimum with Love & Respect and they didn't even care enough to respond. I find that as shocking and heartbreaking as Joanna did. I wonder if they would have if they knew they were going to get called on it. I certainly appreciate you all!
By the way, the church, St. Margaret, that you mentioned, is Rev. Ed Trevors the rector there?
Wondering why my comment got deleted … I didn’t say anything inflammatory. Is YT being weird again?
I'm not sure? I don't remember anything specific.
try again!
Thank you for the work you do! The church needs to repent of patriarchal teachings and return to a more godly view of women! And men!