WHAT?! Primus Is The Jailer? - This Could SAVE Shadowlands
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A crazy Wowhead theory has been going around lately about how Primus is the REAL Jailer!
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A really mind-blowing speculation theory recently came from Wowhead explaining that Primus may in fact be the actual Jailer and that Zovaal was but a puppet of his.
Honestly a lot of it really makes sense, even the name Jailer as he jailed Zovaal, we know Primus created domination magic and runes so it didn't make much sense that Zovaal was the one that had control over all of them. While it is a crazy theory is this really is true it might be able to save some of the Shadowlands lore as this would fill a bunch of plot holes that we currently have.
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Could Primus be the actual 'Jailer' because you know he is the one that actually jailed Zovaal, and could Zovaal had been his puppet all along? Get 40% off GMG Performance Glasses with my link for the next 48 hours only gmg-performance.com/pages/doronsmovies
What if the last expansion is called the wrath of Asmongold
well, when Anduin kinda freed himself while killing the Archon, his runes became more bright a moment then he turned into the pawn one again. So here is the thing; Zovaal actualy have that type of rune ALL OVER his body.
I would suggest to you to do the Hand of Nilganihmaht mount hunt and whenever you get the mount you will get a BOOK.
Read this book and EVERYTHING about shadowlands and its "secret backstage" is there!!!
All the answer you looking for is writing there all this time =)
I think it's all pointless at this point, Shadowlands is just full of Bullshit!
Shadowlands is Warcraft's ultimate storykiller and even franchise killer. The only way I can see Warcraft recover is to fire or reshuffle the current twits who wrote this crap and hire actual skilled people who know what Warcraft is about and who respect the lore.
Also the theory you've just described about Zovaal, Sire Denathrius and Primus all working and conspiering together has got way too obvious Feminist "Patriarchy Evil" Shit written all over it and both Warcraft and the rest of the real world need to purge ourselves of that mistake!
Great theory but I don’t think the WoW writing team are smart enough to do this.
“The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green.” The Jailer’s eyes were blue. The Primus has green eyes.
There's no way the Primus could be considered the Vassal of Life.
The Maw Walkers: *leaves the shadowlands and goes back to Azeroth*
The Primus: *grins wickedly and cackles*
"The crown of light will bring only darkness"
The new "lich king" helm that the new Arbiter wears now.
Primus has perfected the domination magic and now controls the Arbiter.
Except the Crown of Wills was made specifically to counter whatever Domination exists and whatnot…
As for that, we don’t really know what the crown of light thing actually means tbh, especially since the Crown of Wills isn’t actually holy based tbh, despite the “golden glow”, it’s Progenitor based
@@preds43 ^rimus make the crown with the part of the domination crown, it is him who told us that crown will be against domination, but only him know how and what was use to make this crown. So even if it's a golden glowing shiny crown, that doesn't mean she wasn't infect by darkness. Don't forget that power of the light is blind people, don't forget the demon soul...a golden shinny disk with the darkness power within. What you see is not what is
If this is true, this could be one of their greatest stories ever told and everyone would be wrong about the level of thought and work that went into this expansion, I know I would be, very interesting and gives me hope for this story.
It makes sense,
Remember Primus made another helm and it was given to the new Arbiter, probably he wanted to control his mind too.
Holy fuck, I didn't consider that. Blizzard is fucking genius
true wtf
Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA
@@robinvanvelzen6283 holy sheeet!
It makes more sense than the current (apparent) ending. It would explain the jailer's terrible one dimensional dialogue, the domination runes on him and also why he looks so much like a dredger brute (Biggun) from Revendreth, bald, blue skin and all.
Ever since it was revealed that Primus was inventor of Domination magic I have believed him to be the true villain. Domination is by definition evil.
Unfortunately Danuser crew is unable to do plot twists.
Zovaal being dominated would explain why he lets us live so many times when his forces could have wiped us out easily. When he let us leave after Anduin showcased his Light powers, and when he let us live when he was inches away from destroying Haven and stopping any retaliation against him since the way to Oribos and back wasn't unlocked at that time.
I hope they make this theory real, a major plot like that is something wow needs I think not just the old Bad guy- defeat him- and repeat stuff
Its interesting that in the end jailor cinematic, the flashbacks play in reverse order, most recent to oldest. And that the primus scene is from primus POV while the winter queen and archon scenes are from zovaals POV. This could mean that the primus told zovaal his plan (to divide and conquer the cosmos), and zovaal disagreed. But before he could warn the others about the primus plan, he was captured and chained by the primus who asks him why he tried to betray him (what madness drove you to this end?) zovaal gives his opinion and is promptly dominated by the primus, and everything that happens after that point is seen through zovaals eyes, but its still the primus POV bc the primus now controls him. Primus forces zovaal to do some crazy shit and get caught and tried by the other eternals, allowing the primus to begin his plan. Which is to use mortals infiltrate the sepulcher of the first ones and circumvent some of the failsafes put into place there (for instance, an eternal cannot be killed in the shadowlands, but CAN be killed/deactivated in the sepulcher) that way primus can steal azeroths power without the risk of his own safety, bc hes seen the outcome of what happens when he is discovered as the villan by us mortal player characters while still in the sepulcher (we deafeat him) but this way only zovaal the scapegoat gets destroyed. Brilliant strategy 😎👍🤔
but if zovaal is free of primus controll, aren't we seeing zovaal's memories and not primus?
good paragraph :)
I love how it’s gone from ‘bad writing’ to ‘amazing work’
only if the theory is true. lololol
Wouldn't change that the story telling has been pretty shit in most people's eyes in Shadowlands, but this would at least salvage the lore to be used in a (hopefully) better story down the line.
1. I think WOW Shadowlands will end after Sylvanas’ judgement
2. Primus reveals that he is The true Jailer through a secret meeting with Denathrius without anyone knowing.
3. The Primus might be an “ally” of the Void but some Void Lords saw his act and desperately tried to have Alleria kill Sylvanas before the Primus’ plans are put into motion. (Not all Void Lords agree with each other)
4. It is likely the Primus used the drought to weed out the weak in the Shadowlands.
5. The Primus will manipulate Pelagos into using the Crown of Wills to secretly dominate every soul that enters the Shadowlands upon judgement.
6. The Golden One (Pelagos) claims an empty throne (Arbiter crucible). The Crown of Light (Crown of Wills) will bring only darkness (domination).
7. Turalyon is unlikely going to betray Anduin because he admitted that he shouldn’t follow the Light blindly like a fanatic.
I said to the creator of that Wowhead article that after your "12 HILARIOUS Shadowlands PLOT HOLES" video, I started to think that Primus is the real Jailer
to be fair, Zovaal was more "jailed" then "JAILER" the one who locked him up with the domination magic and would actually be the Jailer
I heard about it a lot on many youtube channels. This plot twist would be so good and exciting. I hope it will be in the game.
Back in bfa, I was so sure that the one corrupted blood leach was going to rebirth Hakkar the soul flayer and actually do something interesting. It never happened.
I want to believe that this is some m night twist, but let’s be frank. Wow story has been a steaming pile a shit for years.
ya they bring hakkar to be a normal boss him and muzala could been raid boss
No, it hasn't. Huge plot twists happen all the time in WoW
@@monkeysk8er33
Oh yes I agree! Like the thrilling twist of Sylvanas turning on the jailer because…
@@monkeysk8er33 mhm sure bud, they somehow ruined a story that has been happening for the past 20 years. and yes there has been many plot twists but recently they have been dogshit, like sylvanas turning on the jailer because she didn't want to serve... even though she has been serving since wrath.
@@monkeysk8er33 if that were the case, we wouldn’t still have a giant blade sticking out of the planet. Wow has the SLOWEST story line. Plot twists happen sure, but so do oversights and forgotten story devices. The sword is just one example of “don’t worry it’s gonna be big” and then they just repeat a story line. Even if this theory is correct, he’s just another Sargeras essentially. Good guy turned bad by being corrupted by some bigger badder guy blah blah
I was just reading this article today in my workplace and was totally mindblown. This theory has fokin huge and solid foundations. 😮
If this could be true, that would redeem the Shadowlands expansion to some point in the next expansion or maybe a possible new patch. Although I highly doubt we will even get even a short patch.
Not just that, just being called 'The Primus' begs us to ask the question of why he is named 'Primus' at all?
'Primus' in its own meaning, as far as in Latin, means 'First'.
So either The Primus was the first created, or he is one of the First Ones.
All conjecture, of course, but again - it would be a nice plot twist giving us the opportunity to find out it was his scheme all along and venture out to gather allies in the other cosmic forces, bringing them into the fray.
Personally, I still hope the story becomes more grounded again in the next expansion.
But since we're established as god-killers, given we have the right gear, I can't see the story taking a step backward.
To be honest , with the level of story telling that we have at the moment , it’s not far fetched to just nerf the player character a bit with the help of the plot.
I know , I know in every power fantasy imaginable it’s sacrilege to make us weaker in an on-going narration. But players have longed for being just an adventurer for so long , they should just do it
"Beware the eyes of green" i always thought this would refere to Malfurion or other NEs.
Blizzard lore-writing team: "Quickly people, let's take notes!"
This is probable because in the ending cinematic, Primus is the only one that's not shown his face but instead as a menacing shadow stand upon Zovaal's decaying body.
That was not Zovaal's decaying body. That was a flashback when they jailed him the first time and send him to the Maw.
We could expect another shadowlands expansion this time revealing the truth that the Primus was the Jailer all along. Will it save the shadowlands lore? I dont know, if they do it right this time it would. But I have a feeling that the Primus is behind all of this and the Devours.
Isn't the whole "haha I'm the real big bad puppet master!" Shtick part of the reason players didn't like SLs in the first place? I doubt just shifting the blame to the Primus would help at all.
Zovaal, the character written to single handedly wreck WoW lore where everyone including fan favorites were his pawns being a pawn this whole time? Fantastic writing!
So everybody was shallow, dumb and made no sense because it was part of the bad guys plan?
The best kind of story telling
The sad thing is…
If this primus plot is indeed just a theory, and the end is as it is presented to us, it’s gonna look even shittier than it is right now
Your brain is very small and malfunctioning if your think this theory makes it worse
@@monkeysk8er33 They've run out of goodwill on "iT WAS ACTUALLY THIS GUY BEHIND EVERYTHING ALL ALONG"
doing it one more time won't make it better.
@@wickedAberration Since when? They've never run out of goodwill on that concept. It worked perfectly literally every time they did, especially for Sargeras. People are just mad they didn't come up with this theory themselves. I get it, you don't want to look stupid, it instead of continuing to look stupid, start appreciating the depth.
"Frostmourne hungers"
You're often very accurate with your predictions 😉 Original Jailer had a beard in design, maybe he indeed is the true villain
He carved the runes so he mind controlled zovaal when he was still gentle and good minded
Thank you for making this video. Eve since we save him from Torghast I've always thought that this Primus guy is kinda shady. I honestly hope that he will be the true villain and Zovaal was just a puppet and victim of Primus' domination magic
If you look in zoval eyes when he was captured, when he has no control magic rune's on his skin, there is no blue fog coming out of his eyes. With the runes on his skin he has the blue fog like Arthus and anduyn maby he was controlled by the primus. And in zoval defeat he say "this must not be" and if the transformation "what is to come".
AND there is a close-up on his eye where you see the glow and after there is no glow.
This is a pretty good theory. If they would go with this story shadowlands and its MSQ/lore could be potentially salvaged.
You can literally hear Primus in the cinematic asking Zovaal why he betrayed the others. Of course the shadow is him. They’re having a conversation.
Alright, here's a theory about the whole Jailer-Primus switch that maybe happened during development. I think this may actually be where the story was leaning (based on the early concept art and trailer) before they changed everything and went a more dull path:
I believe that Primus was supposed to be the original "Jailer" but not the villain. We misunderstand and see him as the villain because Sylvanas is on his side. Same issue with Sylvanas. She's a genocidal maniac, but she was doing it for a 'reason.' I think the original story was supposed to be that Sylvanas met the Primus after jumping off of ICC and learned about the machinery of death. Sometime after Argus died and suplexed the Arbiter, Sylvanas learned about the drought. Maybe Elune sent her hints from the Winter Queen that the shadowlands were in trouble and that's why she burned Teldrassil and started the BFA war to send them anima (and also why Elune later seems vaguely reluctant to have the night warrior kill her). Still an unforgivable act, but it makes a little more sense that she was trying to save the Shadowlands. Eventually she learns it's not working and that all of the anima got sent into the Maw. She loses her shit, gives the whole "this world is a prison" mustache-twisty monologue, and goes to rip the helm in half. Kind of a Thanos "fine, I'll do it myself" moment.
At this point Shadowlands starts. We descend into the Maw and fight all these big bad evils and see torment everywhere. We see Sylvanas and "the Jailer" in the Maw and we run for it. While we wander the Shadowlands we learn that the Primus is missing. So we get his sigil and bring it to the guy in Torghast who has been helping us all this time. We think it's the Primus, but it turns out it's actually Zovaal and we just opened Pandora's box. He breaks free and now we gotta go find him and stop him. Some of the people who were giving us hints that it was the Primus turn out to be dreadlords. Now that Zovaal is free, Denathrius sends all the anima to him and shows his hand. We defeat Denathrius, but the damage is done. Zovaal uses the sigil of the Primus and all this fresh anima to make domination magic that turns Anduin into a deathknight. He sends him to collect the other sigils.
Eventually we go on to fight Anduin at the very top of Torghast, which was meant to be the ending of the 9.2 raid. Anduin gives Zovaal the final Sigil. Zovaal morphs into his power ranger armor and sends Anduin over to fight us. We fight Anduin and win. Sylvanas tries to use this moment in a cutscene to shoot an arrow at Zovaal from the back, but Zovaal does that cheesy Loki "catch the arrow" thing and sends her the other half of her soul in repayment. The other half of her soul is absolutely horrified with her "ends justify the means" genocidal ways and she blacks out. Zovaal opens up the portal and leaves to go to the Sepulchre. In the next room we find the big evil "Jailer" that we met in the very beginning of the expansion. Turns out that The Jailer from the opening cinematic was the Primus and was in the Maw trying to keep Zovaal in check. Before he went in, he hid his sigil to keep it safe (or maybe he intended for us to get involved). Once Zovaal broke free, he was able to use the Primus' sigil to capture the Primus and turn the tables. Why did the Primus even need to go into the Maw? Because Zovaal had slowly been breaking his chains and found a way to learn domination magic over the 25k years. Zovaal had recently used all of his anima to have the lich king's armor and frostmourne sent to Azeroth. That was when the Primus said "aw shit, I guess I gotta go down there" and went to the Maw to keep tabs on him.
Patch 9.3 we go to the Sepulchre to fight Zovaal. Sylvanas is still on our shit list, but she's being tortured by her split personalities. Blah blah therapy sessions, you know that part. We see the devourers and all the other stuff in the Sepulchre. The information that Sylvanas gives us helps us fight and defeat Zovaal. We see the dumb cinematic where Zovaal's whining about "what is to come?" and it's kinda cheesy, but hey at least in this timeline we wouldn't have been lead to believe that Zovaal was some giga-brain asshole who monologues all day long. He just seemed desperate and evil up until that point.
To wrap up the story, the issue with Sylvanas becomes a major point of conflict. Either by the end she's made to walk the plank, or hell, maybe the "good" side of her soul makes her willingly jump into the maw, to atone for her sins. Then we see them use that Sylvanas diving animation that was datamined a while back. She goes down to rule Torghast and I guess with her soul's unique combination of ruthlessness and compassion she becomes the new 'Jailer' and personal therapist for the souls of the Maw, or something.
Meanwhile the Primus is like "heh, I meant to do that" or whatever. Yeah, whatever Primus. You're so very tacticool and smart.
Somewhat cheesy ending I guess, but it would probably be way less upsetting and dull than the current story arc.
You managed to typed in an essay and made not one sense.... Horribly impressive
Could zoval be under the same "spell" that zoval has sylvanas under?
When you have someone who knows how to use Mind controll and is under Mind controll he technically still can use his Mind controll.
But sylvanas was under no spell
This should totally happen as the ending of Shadowlands was a total lackluster. The build up, the zones always have loading screens unlike in Classic, and reliance on nostalgia like bringing back or redeeming characters is just rushed in writing and boring development.
You have to divide "the ending of Shadowlands" and "killing the Jailer" - those are two different things. Shadowlands won't be ending for at least another 7 months.
*he still is the jailer, but it won’t be revealed until we discover he was working with the titans in “the Last Titan”. He controlled Zovaal, imprisoned himself on purpose, led everyone to believe Zovaal was the baddy, had him stripped of power, then replaced him with another arbiter wearing another crown HE CREATED and can control with domination magic.*
Honestly this fits in the blizz Archetype. Arthas
Then first ones, followed by void lords, who if blizzard has actual sense will write into law we can't defeat and we get reset in power level or something. Then when we fight our way back to the top and kill the void lords they pull the plug and the game ends. Simples!
I really hope this ends up being the case! Love the video!
considering there’s gunna be a season 4 of mythic plus after this tier i could see a rug pull like this
This would be such a good story arc that I might actually consider returning to the game if it is what Blizzard does.
It makes sense in the fact that Zovaal had hundreds of opportunities to flex his IQ and power to insta-kill the maw walker(s), but chose not to or couldn't. If he was titan-level powerful, why couldn't he stop us? If his plan needed to succeed at all costs, why didn't he try harder to stop us from stopping him?
Well, this makes the whole "Crown of Light" thing make sense now. If you dont know what I mean by that, work your way back from Legion up to SL.
To be fair, that would actually be a better story than what we have got so far. No one suspected the Primus but it could totally have been him all along if you think about it. Plus, Primus just looks way more evil than Zovaal ever did
No it does not make any sense, the Primus was imprisoned by the jailer in the maw, not the other way around. None of this makes any sense at all.
At some point, the Primus left his sanctum to investigate the schemes of his fallen brother, the Jailer Zovaal. The Jailer defeated the Primus, took his memories from him, and confined him to the tower of Torghast as a prisoner called the Runecarver. In this form, the Primus was forced to create countless armaments for the Jailer-including Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination, which were later used by the succession of Lich Kings on Azeroth. The necrolords were unaware of their leader's fate, and in his absence, Maldraxxus fell into chaos: two of the houses were nearly destroyed, and the leaders of the remaining three ruthlessly fought to claim the Seat of the Primus and the position of commanding the realm's armies.
Also the primus is like a saint, not seeming in any way a master strategist or confident leader at all, we were catfished hard and that is all there is to that.
the jailer was the arbitor the primus locked him up inside the maw from the start it was he who carved those domination runes in to jailers flesh and also invented domination magic
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
His demon horns were the first thing I ever noticed about him...yea usually a good tip when discerning a villain.
If this happens it would be like Aizen turning out to be the main villain...
That would make sense because like always…we need to lose the legendary effects to start a new grind 😂 So the Primus would just „switch them off“/ make them useless.
No, no it couldn't save shadowlands
at this point, the only thing i would accept is doronmovies as a lore teller character can save WoW in general
The word 'Save' is maybe a bit of an overstatement but it could turn Shadowlands from a completely nonsensical plot-hole-ridden storyline to decent.
I 100% think that the only way to save shadowlands is to add a HUGE slightly retconning twist
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
If it's true I imagine it be like palpatine. Nice when he's around everyone but evil behind the scenes. Everything is proceeding as he foreseen.
This would also make more sense about how “the jailer” was so god-like and undefeated. Just like “the jailer” spoke through Anduin, the Primus (possibly actual jailer) could have spoken through Zovaal.
Doron am i the only one who noticed Zoval is on the platform of the runecarver in the high rez shadowlands cinematic?
If some rumored leaks were true and the original story was scrapped about 6 months before release are true, I would think there's some merit to this, but at this point I just think marking checkboxes and moving on from old lore was more important to the writing team than making sense.
Bold of you to say that I’d trust any deity in the afterlife. Any deity that acts human is not a deity worth trusting.
Well, shit. The guy who's a tactical genius gets captured by a meat head, we break him out, then hand him all the sigils. He didn't have to fight for the sigils. We handed him the spare keys. I thought that was dumb in Korthia and that it was a missed opportunity to save the writing of the expansion. I do hope they follow up on this.
Nice theory, but I'm afraid you give the WOW story team too much credit.
If this is true, it actually gives us a new villain that is ACTUALLY intelligent and cunning and poses a serious threat. But continuing this story means more cosmic wars and more intergalactic space traveling, and I'm just ready to bring this shit to ground level again and deal with troubles back home. I want them to set up new mysteries and lore that actually connects to this theory in a better way than what they tried to do with SL and WC3. Maybe when they do the Light vs Void expansion, they can insert the 'Primus was the real villain!' swerve into that story and have us fighting against all 3 of them somehow.
Sounds kind of like Star Wars, with palpatine and dooku
Beware eyes of green
Primus literally looks like a huge Warcraft 3 necromancer, so how can he not be evil after all?
The Cartell wants their copium back!
This would make SOME sense. Which makes me think blizzard wouldn't come up with it
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
This theory is insane in a good way
I think Denathrius might be The Primus' right hand man, which is why Zovaal told Sylvanas not to worry about it. I wonder if even Sylvanas knows, if this theory is true. I'd absolutely love it if this were the case, even though I already love SL. This would just make it one of the greatest stories in Warcraft history, hands down.
For me, the story in shadowlands isn't really a problem, it's cool and all and its just a story in game, but the problem is when you see WoW fans actually revealing the specific parts of the story (even tho these are just theories) and not blizzard, it's good to have a bit of secrets in the story to let people figure it out, but they gotta reveal more stuff than actually letting people do it, thats what a story in a game is supposed to be.
As much as we would love shadowlands story to be deeper, the writers have failed, failed and failed. It's the entire problem.
One more thing to think of - Galakrond was cursed by some green curse and then was able to revive death protos. Coincidence?
"This could save shadowlands" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don’t think anything could save the Shadowlands at this point except maybe a for a nuclear strike
Remember, if someone comes up with a logical, interesting, awesome idea for an expansion ending, it will probably not happen. Blizzard isn't known for releasing quality lore.
Why are you even here if you think Blizzard's lore sucks? You're literally on a lore video for a game made by Blizzard 🤦🤦🤦
People need to stop saying shit like this that just makes them look stupid.
@@monkeysk8er33 bc these aren’t even the same writers, it is possible to have loved blizzards lore in the past and be hugely disappointed with where it’s going now. Although if this primus plot twist is true I’ll be super happy and excited and resub. Atm though I’m absolutely disgusted with the shadowlands lore and of this was their whole jailor arc then I can’t believe paid adults came up with this lame shit
@@monkeysk8er33 people need to stop being quiet and raise their voice against the obvious degradation of the lore in wow. If you happen to be that kinda guy who accepts everything as it is (especially if the situation is deplorable) , fine, but don't try to drag others down with you.
@@pence089 People haven't stopped bitching about the lore since Vanilla. It's only gotten more and more ridiculous over time, coming to a head in BFA and SL, where the lore is still phenomenal, yet people don't understand it, b cause they're too lazy to think, and what all the details simplified for their childlike brains to comprehend. This isn't a franchise for children. You need a big boy brain to understand the lore, this shit is complex and spans more than 10,000 years. If you want simple stories, go play Put Put, or the Lego games. Any time I see people talking shit on the lore, I write them off as stupid, because when you understand the lore, it's amazing. I can totally see why an idiot wouldn't like it, because how can you like something you don't understand
Blizzard teased their "story" before release, many people called the twist before the story even began to be told so Blizz scrapped the original story to "save face".
This is my personal view on the whole mess that is Shadowlands
Also to mention, listen closely to the cinematic when Jailer powers up azerite from ICC, it sounds more like Primus talking no cap
If there was a 9.3 patch this theory might make sense but since there is no patch I have my doubts.
I play shadowland for 1 month only, but something keep bugging me, why the jailer (zovaal) is the one being chained. He should be the one put everyone to jail if he is called the jailer.
Also why the shadow figure in shadowland reveal not looks like zovaal
This would be like 5% better for shadowlands, but it would open a shitload of cool lore possibilities. Noice
It was probably how it originally was supposed to go
this is the best theory yet
5:23 what is the "famous betrayal"?
But the real question is, how will this continue from now on, if this would be true
that would be great and make total sense
who did the primus fight against? why did he need to fight anything?
I think this would actually make the moay sense but thats why it prolly isnt gonna happen cause blizzard doesn't seem to make things that make sense latley.
Brilliant theory, Doron! Your best Shadowlands video yet!
Thanks, although as I mentioned it's not my theory it's from Wowhead.
@@Doronsmovies doesn't matter. Thanks for sharing it with us!
After reading the wowhead article. Everything just clicked into place regards to the story. Makes so much more sense. Then current incoherent story that makes no sense or gives zero motive to actions taken.
Zovaal was just an empty vessel filled by a soul, much like the vessel that Pelagos's soul filled to become the Arbiter. They actually said in the gameplay that ALL of the leaders of rhe Covenants were created in the same way, including the Primus.
In the cinematic of the Jailor's demise, you watch as the flesh covering dissolves away as does the blue soul in his middle.
I don't think the Primus is the real Jailer, although I do think he may have been responsible for the Jailor coming into being. If the Primus was the jailor, how did he end up incarcerated in the Runecarver's oubliette? Why did he end up there? I suggest that he ended up there because he was the one who was the greatest threat.
As entertaining as your theories are, I don't think you're right. However I might yet be proved wrong.
but it is unknown if primus was manipulated by someone else especially a rogue member of the first ones
oh wow, this would make so much sense and have interesting story to upcoming expansions, only if blizzard was smart enough to make a story like this
Taliesin brought up a good rebuttal on this theory. There's not enough time to bring up this story line. It's a good theory tho. Best one out there
There is an entire next expansion ;)
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
Primus made Lich King a Lich King? What about Ner'Zhul? What is going on here?
Why would the Primus not carve runes into ALL the eternal ones though? He had eons to invite them over to watch a movie and ambush them.
maybe cus they are bad to ? greedy and just want to be kings of thir areas and get as meny souls ass posible for their own benefit? and the souls have no saying over where they want to go?
IT seems that blizz is the 50000iq mastermind. Saw a comment where a dude said that the primus made the new arbiter's helm as well BC HE WANTS TO CONTROL HIM TOO. Blizz essentially made shadowlands a storytelling expansion with no real ending bc the next expansion is going to give the true ending to the death theme. We already had the fel theme, now death next light and void?
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
Honestly, this would fix the overall story of shadow lands. It would make sense of why nothing made sense in the shadow lands story.
Well shit.. .. wonder if he controls the scourge without us even knowing.
TBH it makes for a good story while not "having" to change anything in game.
I don’t think it will save shadowlands too much damage has been done to major lore characters BUT this would actually take SOME of the sting away because at least it’s interesting and doesn’t screw with anymore lore.
This twist would mean fun, and fun isn't allowed anymore at Blizzard.
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
@@tonykeer You really think SL is a good expansion, don't you? We'll never get conclusionto what happened there, and you know that. Storytelling takes forever in a format like WoW, that's not good, and the story writers really don't have a clue what they are actually writing tbh.
Guess time to bring Illidan home my boy would sort this sht ez
Muhahhahaaaa. Love it. Called it ages ago.
Given that Zoval was the one being jailed by primus's rune magic.
It would make primus the jailer
it was there are meny clues dont trust green eyes jailer has blue ones and also Golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
- Il'gynoth whisper from 8.3 BFA and now pelegos got that helmet on him just cus you dont understand it or think dosent mean they are bad story wrighters wy do u have to know every thing direkly isent it better to find out new clues over thime so you understand and get the full picture more and more clearly ?
I think it makes a lot of sense! But they clearly wanted Zovaal to be the big bad, not the true Jailer. The Primus we got is like Santa Claus.
Most likely what zoval did to arthus and anduin, Primus had already done that to zoval
Interesting theory but I still feel this whole Shadowlands just needs to end and go away forever.
This SHOULD be what actually happened
It is so much better than the crap we got served