Congrats on an all Red Mage playthrough! I got a taste of the int stat actually working back in Dawn of Souls, Red Mages have it rough. Don't know if this is relevant to you specifically, but here's some crunch for those who enjoy it. I haven't played the PR yet, but NES FF1 doesn't have a protect spell.* It has a spell that raises your absorb by 8, about twice what you get from wooden armour. The full-party version increases absorb by 12. So yeah, "Protect" is definitely not reducing physical damage taken by 50% like in later games. Wizards deal 1-2 hits for 30-60 damage each so subtracting 8 per hit isn't a lot. Pirates deal 8-16 damage once per turn which becomes 1-8 with "Protect." (Or just 1 if you're wearing Chain Armour with 15 absorb all by itself, no "Protect" needed) Again, that's all NES numbers, just for comparison purposes. *It _might_ be protect in Japanese, but it was FOG and FOG2 in English.
I dunno about the worst.... I'd give that title to thief, even when it isn't bugged. I like using red mage as a buff/debuff character, it has access to all the good buffs and debuffs and like. It's not like those spells have damage for your stats to affect, AND it frees up spells for another mage. Red mages rock, don't put your favorite down :)
Thief is so bad you would have a hard time convincing me a class was worse. I've seen it be buffed in other releases (my favorite buffs coming from the FF1 randomizer, which includes the ability to pick locks at level 20), in which case red mage may be worse.
@@The24thWight theif doesn't have much of anything at all special about it in the original nes release. It's like a worse warrior, even in modern releases.
I guess that is true. You don't get 5th level spells for a bit after that. I would still have preferred they be more spaced out with dungeons, but that may not have been feasible on the NES.
@@Xephrost_Gaming It was more that there were developmental problems. Final Fantasy shipped in a buggy and semi-unfinished state without getting the polish and finishing touches it needed. It was certainly technically feasible to do more on the NES, but it would've required time and money that Square didn't have.
I get the impression that the developers expected the player to roam around the world exploring with the ship, which is why there are so many things to buy during that section of the game with the level two, three and four magic all at once as well as lots of equipment. Presumably the player wouldn't know where to go and so would do a lot of wondering around and a lot of fighting as a result. Because we now know exactly where to go, it feels like poor pacing.
Dude you put a lot of effort and research into these videos. When I saw you had under 1000 subs I was surprised, I hope this comment helps you out in the algorithm. Keep up the great work
I remember it was possible to get the class change before entering the volcano. You can enter the citadel oftrials once you have the canoe. The river north of the castle functions as a harbor IF you have the canoe and you can get the rat's tail early. I don't remember if you still needed the airship to get the class change from Bahamut or if there was a harbour to enter his lair for an early class change. But I remember I usually went against Marilith with my party already affected by class changes. But it's possible to do that out of order.
If I recall, as soon as you get the canoe, you can go to Gulg Volcano to fight Marilith OR go to the ice cavern to get the levistone. Then get airship and do trials and class upgrade.
Ah yes, the FF1 Red Mage. This game was where they were in their prime. It's funny that i'm just now seeing these FF1 PR videos, considering i just beat a challenge run of this game myself. Since you can turn random encounters off and on at your leisure, i thought to myself: "What would the run be like if i just never got a random encounter...like...ever?" So i did that run and ended up beating Chaos at lvl 23. Now I'm trying that same run again, but with the 0.5 EXP modifier on the entire time.(I love the fact that there is an option to make the game as hard or as easy as you want it to be)
Yeah, the adjustments they added are great. I find changing the exp and gil values are great to make recording faster, which really helps get a video out every week.
Specifically, it's the NES FF1 where Red Mages were peak, basically just universally better than Black Mages (aside from aesthetic) and ninjas (no contest, really) and better than White Mages in most situations. FF1 only really cares about Fighters/Knights and being subject to Haste and Temper, though, at the end of the day.
Red mage has always been my favorite class. FFV is REALLY good early on, but unfortunately it doesn't scale to high levels and falls off. FF11 gave Red Mage a niche use as a buffer/debuffer and they did it well at all levels.
I found that in ff1 that they’re ridiculously good when you realize that since they have better survivability than black mages which means they can be your buffer and can still pack a decent punch with their weapons.
While the series I'm doing is across multiple games in the series, I think it'd be really interesting to see someone compare a class across multiple releases of the same game. Especially one like FF1 that has had so many different releases with many tweaks to the mechanics.
@@Xephrost_Gaming as well as new gear to make certain jobs more viable like the lightbringer for red mage which you can use to cast holy on enemies… also the elven cape which all characters except monk can equip which made mages easier to keep alive.
@@veghesther3204 true but you forget that the longer dungeons have an option to just leave at certain boss checkpoints. Also you can just use teleport to get out.
"I wish Red Mages could equip better shields" The ProCape isn't as good as the knightly shields, but does equip to the shield slot and is better than the buckler. It's unintuitive, just like bracelets being a body armor instead of a shield.
Honestly this sounds more complicated than my Solo Red Mage playthrough I did when I was a teenager. At least in that I had the comfort of being consistently over leveled since the exp coming in was 4x higher than what was intended.
it does. the red wizard can cast protera. which raises defense. by 12. so if all your red wizards have that spell, your defense just got increased by 48. oh, and you can also cast invisira four times as well. now you basically cant die to a physical attack. ever. then four casts of haste, and four to twelve casts of temper. (1 to 3 each) then, nothing stands a chance.
Yup, most of the buffs stack. This is the best way to beat a lot of bosses by stacking Temper on 1 attacker. The issue with the defensive buffs is they didn't tend to be useful enough to justify casting them multiple times (particularly considering most bosses have strong elemental magic whose damage can't be significantly reduced. Other than by nul spells, which do not stack).
you don't really need those fancy high offensive magic, all you need are haste and temper, and you're ready to face any boss, which makes me think mages in this game are somewhat useless, since you can cast those spells using item with any job
Yeah, the items you get access to are really nice. And I agree that red mage scales poorly in this game. Probably just because the game really wants you to switch to amping up a single physical attacker to deal good damage by endgame.
Found your channel like 2 weeks ago and you’ve quickly become one of my favorites to watch! Can’t wait to see the FFV video!
Congrats on an all Red Mage playthrough! I got a taste of the int stat actually working back in Dawn of Souls, Red Mages have it rough.
Don't know if this is relevant to you specifically, but here's some crunch for those who enjoy it.
I haven't played the PR yet, but NES FF1 doesn't have a protect spell.* It has a spell that raises your absorb by 8, about twice what you get from wooden armour. The full-party version increases absorb by 12. So yeah, "Protect" is definitely not reducing physical damage taken by 50% like in later games.
Wizards deal 1-2 hits for 30-60 damage each so subtracting 8 per hit isn't a lot. Pirates deal 8-16 damage once per turn which becomes 1-8 with "Protect." (Or just 1 if you're wearing Chain Armour with 15 absorb all by itself, no "Protect" needed)
Again, that's all NES numbers, just for comparison purposes.
*It _might_ be protect in Japanese, but it was FOG and FOG2 in English.
7:25 I thought you were going to say "with the most important treasure of all being the friends we made along the way" 🤣
This is sick
"Astos? More like your ASS is TOAST!"
I can't help it, I love red mages. Any time that's an option, I take it
Red Mage is my favorite class! I know.. technically the worst. But I loved how you demonstrated their innate versatility!
I dunno about the worst.... I'd give that title to thief, even when it isn't bugged.
I like using red mage as a buff/debuff character, it has access to all the good buffs and debuffs and like. It's not like those spells have damage for your stats to affect, AND it frees up spells for another mage. Red mages rock, don't put your favorite down :)
Thief is so bad you would have a hard time convincing me a class was worse.
I've seen it be buffed in other releases (my favorite buffs coming from the FF1 randomizer, which includes the ability to pick locks at level 20), in which case red mage may be worse.
@@The24thWight theif doesn't have much of anything at all special about it in the original nes release. It's like a worse warrior, even in modern releases.
I remember years back when I did a Red Mage/Wizard Only play through on the Dawn of Souls version, and I had a ton of fun with it
the fact that you can access second, third and fourth level magic just means that sicne you got here, you are going to stay there for a while.
I guess that is true. You don't get 5th level spells for a bit after that. I would still have preferred they be more spaced out with dungeons, but that may not have been feasible on the NES.
@@Xephrost_Gaming It was more that there were developmental problems. Final Fantasy shipped in a buggy and semi-unfinished state without getting the polish and finishing touches it needed. It was certainly technically feasible to do more on the NES, but it would've required time and money that Square didn't have.
I get the impression that the developers expected the player to roam around the world exploring with the ship, which is why there are so many things to buy during that section of the game with the level two, three and four magic all at once as well as lots of equipment. Presumably the player wouldn't know where to go and so would do a lot of wondering around and a lot of fighting as a result. Because we now know exactly where to go, it feels like poor pacing.
Dude you put a lot of effort and research into these videos. When I saw you had under 1000 subs I was surprised, I hope this comment helps you out in the algorithm. Keep up the great work
I remember it was possible to get the class change before entering the volcano. You can enter the citadel oftrials once you have the canoe. The river north of the castle functions as a harbor IF you have the canoe and you can get the rat's tail early. I don't remember if you still needed the airship to get the class change from Bahamut or if there was a harbour to enter his lair for an early class change. But I remember I usually went against Marilith with my party already affected by class changes. But it's possible to do that out of order.
If I recall, as soon as you get the canoe, you can go to Gulg Volcano to fight Marilith OR go to the ice cavern to get the levistone. Then get airship and do trials and class upgrade.
Red mage only... I've never tried this. But I recall a legend of a solo RM who killed even warmech.
Ah yes, the FF1 Red Mage. This game was where they were in their prime. It's funny that i'm just now seeing these FF1 PR videos, considering i just beat a challenge run of this game myself. Since you can turn random encounters off and on at your leisure, i thought to myself: "What would the run be like if i just never got a random encounter...like...ever?" So i did that run and ended up beating Chaos at lvl 23. Now I'm trying that same run again, but with the 0.5 EXP modifier on the entire time.(I love the fact that there is an option to make the game as hard or as easy as you want it to be)
Yeah, the adjustments they added are great. I find changing the exp and gil values are great to make recording faster, which really helps get a video out every week.
Specifically, it's the NES FF1 where Red Mages were peak, basically just universally better than Black Mages (aside from aesthetic) and ninjas (no contest, really) and better than White Mages in most situations.
FF1 only really cares about Fighters/Knights and being subject to Haste and Temper, though, at the end of the day.
Great content. Keep it up!
Red mage has always been my favorite class. FFV is REALLY good early on, but unfortunately it doesn't scale to high levels and falls off. FF11 gave Red Mage a niche use as a buffer/debuffer and they did it well at all levels.
I found that in ff1 that they’re ridiculously good when you realize that since they have better survivability than black mages which means they can be your buffer and can still pack a decent punch with their weapons.
@@hunterrhoades1813 I've done full Red Mage runs in nearly every version of FF1. GBA was easiest due to MP.
While the series I'm doing is across multiple games in the series, I think it'd be really interesting to see someone compare a class across multiple releases of the same game. Especially one like FF1 that has had so many different releases with many tweaks to the mechanics.
@@Xephrost_Gaming as well as new gear to make certain jobs more viable like the lightbringer for red mage which you can use to cast holy on enemies… also the elven cape which all characters except monk can equip which made mages easier to keep alive.
@@veghesther3204 true but you forget that the longer dungeons have an option to just leave at certain boss checkpoints. Also you can just use teleport to get out.
"I wish Red Mages could equip better shields"
The ProCape isn't as good as the knightly shields, but does equip to the shield slot and is better than the buckler. It's unintuitive, just like bracelets being a body armor instead of a shield.
RE: Astos. It's an RNG tactic but he is vulnerable to Silence.
Good to know in case it helps for future runs.
Red Mage is the best class in the game. Why? Because they have the coolest outfits.
What's the song that plays at 7:00 🥺? I know for sure I played that game, but I can't put my finger over which one it is
Donkey Kong - Stickerbrush Symphony. Specifically from Super Smash Brothers.
Honestly this sounds more complicated than my Solo Red Mage playthrough I did when I was a teenager. At least in that I had the comfort of being consistently over leveled since the exp coming in was 4x higher than what was intended.
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I echo this sentiment
I only beat ff1 once, using two warriors, a red mage and a monk. Little did i realize i had a ridiculously op party.
I could be wrong, but i think multiple casts of buffing spells stack up to a certain point. Like 8 casts?
it does. the red wizard can cast protera. which raises defense. by 12. so if all your red wizards have that spell, your defense just got increased by 48. oh, and you can also cast invisira four times as well. now you basically cant die to a physical attack. ever.
then four casts of haste, and four to twelve casts of temper. (1 to 3 each)
then, nothing stands a chance.
Yup, most of the buffs stack. This is the best way to beat a lot of bosses by stacking Temper on 1 attacker. The issue with the defensive buffs is they didn't tend to be useful enough to justify casting them multiple times (particularly considering most bosses have strong elemental magic whose damage can't be significantly reduced. Other than by nul spells, which do not stack).
Is the Peninsula or Power patched out of the pixel remaster?
Good question. I think so, but I honestly forgot it existed.
I’m trying something like Starting Equipment only in FF1 Dawn of Souls. I have to 100% the beastiary. The challenge is hard. But congrats on this
you don't really need those fancy high offensive magic, all you need are haste and temper, and you're ready to face any boss, which makes me think mages in this game are somewhat useless, since you can cast those spells using item with any job
It's so weird seeing diagonal movement in this game
It definitely takes some getting used to. Especially when the maps absolutely were not designed for diagonal movement.
Items just make anything work. Party lacks healing? Helm. Need the best spell early? Gauntlet. Red mage great early but always felt weak late..
Yeah, the items you get access to are really nice. And I agree that red mage scales poorly in this game. Probably just because the game really wants you to switch to amping up a single physical attacker to deal good damage by endgame.
Red mage is the best class 😎
Hey
You’re not backnut buster
Took me 9 minutes to realize 😅
Backlog buster?
So…easy mode??