Fixing a Cracked Motorcycle Engine Case / TS185
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2019
- In this video, I repaired my 1977 TS185 engine case!!! Trust me, I way rather would have soldered or welded this case back together, but it just couldn't happen so JB weld was the next best thing! Besides, this part of the engine that I repaired does not hold oil, so I don't have to worry about any leaks. Thanks for watching!
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If you want to braze aluminium casing or casting you need to take the seals out and put the case in an oven and get it hot otherwise heat will flow away form the weld so fast the casing never get hot enough for the braze to flow to it.
Grind the a chamfer on the edges where you are going to weld to make like a valley for the brazing to flow into and use some solvent to clean it well before welding.
Might have been an idea to hold the bit in there with 2 small vise grips or bulldog clamps at each end on to the casing.
Also if any contact with the oil blast it several times with torch to burn any oil out from the porous since that is one of the main things that mess up alu welds, well as brazing is oil burning gasses constantly puff gasses to weld/braze pool. These engine cases are even worse when it can move oil from other areas into that if its porous enough, so yeah excellent cleaning, remove everything out, heat it several hunder C (borderline melting it) to burn out any oil least on that and surrounding spots, preheat whole thing in oven and then try to weld or braze it.
Nice effort but I will tell you that that crankcase is not aluminum, it is a pewter and or pewter with a plastic polymer mix. And you are correct J.B. Weld is not the best but if you will sand the paint off and leave a feathered edge about a half inch around the area by slightly grinding it, you can then use baking soda and superglue first to seal the seams in your patch peice. Then go over that with the J.B. Weld.
I repaired a RM Suzuki 250 dirt bike and my old Honda Odyssey and both have held over 12 years now. I got the idea of Super Glue and Baking soda from a Music Repair Shop. And it will hold well at 200 degree's F as well. Several videos here on UA-cam demonstrate this on boiling water pots and Radiators.
And I thought I was the only one in the world that made everything so complicated when it was supposed to been easy
I wrecked on my Yamaha R6 and when my bike hit the ground it cracked the stator cover and took a chunk out of the motor block just like you were dealing with.
I thought it was an all lost cause.
This video was exactly what I needed LOL bro your a boss thanks for the video
Hey man, I just had a similar situation happen with me on my 06 zx6r 636... cracked the stator cover, and part of the case... I’m finding all the info for jb welding vs. having someone tig weld it for me or trying the aluminum brazing. Did you end up using one of these methods and did it work? For how long? Etc. much appreciate any response. Thanks
@@cameronwatkins9056 I had the same exact thing Happen to me, how did the JB weld hold up for you??
Same zx6r problem for me
I've used alumiweld similar to what you used but they don't require flux. The trick is to pre heat the entire (clean)part up in an oven or gas grill then use a stainless steel wire brush to finish cleaning the part. Then the brazing should stick.Aluminum dissipates heat too fast to braze without pre heating.
Well done mate, hope the JB weld holds out for you. 👍
Hey, I'm really enjoying this playlist. I love that you show the good and the bad. With every project, it's always 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I am getting ready to restore a 1965 Yamaha YM1 that was almost in as bad of shape as this one. Not quite, but close. I'm think about putting up a playlist of my own while doing it. I'll probably have to check in with you as I have no idea what I'm doing. Good job. Keep 'em coming
Right on Buddy!
You are awesome bud. Keep going. And thanks for the honest video.
7:28s is a golden moment
Pretty work pretty work.🙌🏻
Good job Gold Guy!
Thanks Don!
I'm sure it will hold, have done similiar repare on Sachs 125 case and cover, that were damaged due to the chain throwing, never had any problems still holding up and that was years ago! The haters just havent seen the potential of jb weld...
Awesome vid and edits and filming and bikes
Thank you!
Great job mate it's going to be ok
Good luck bro. Hope it works
Awesome video. I’m going to use JB weld to fix a little tiny crack on my 1993 Yamaha Virago 535 is leaking oil from the screw tread
How did the JB work? I have the exact same problem
Blair Charbonneau work perfect still running not leaking and I painted a looks awesome
Well done sir!
I used jb weld on a f150 transmission housing front face where attaches to flywheel. Worked fine. No problem.
I used jb weld on a kx80 clutch case with a crack that was basically sealed and it blew the jb weld right off 😂 I was able to pull the rest off with my fingers
@@fright_nike09 you may have mismeasured your mixing ratios....epoxy harder to steel....lol....🤣
@@bbur75 no did exactly what the package said lol I did only use a little tbh I was like maybe I could make it look good 😂 nope I think it was to thin of a layer I just re did it and put a ton on there hopefully works I can’t find the case anywhere I have 3 cracked ones all Kx80’s 🤦♂️
@@fright_nike09 tbh I did a 2nd layer on my case. Just too be sure cured for 1 week to.....idk....🤷♂️😆
@@bbur75 yea ima try that I did the thin layer and let it cure for 3 days so I think that’s another reason it blew right off 😂 I sanded real good this time put it on thick and hopefully a second layer will work thank you I was giving up 🤣😂 now got some hope again
Just needed more heat bud , awesome job 👏
Great vid 👍
Thanks Ryan!
You needed to flux both halves and heat the larger section first, the piece in your hand will heat up quick once the other half is hot.
JB weld can fix anything! It's like duct tape, but x1000 times better haha
Liquid duct tape 😂😂
@@GoldGuyRides haha it really is!
If you don't get it tig welded that first piece that you glued on with the bolt hole will crack open when you put back the bolts
I'm gonna tighten all of the other bolts real tight and then just snug that one that I jb welded back into place, so the other bolts will hold it down and the snugged bolt will hold it in place, that is if the jb weld doesn't do anything
really... Are you trying to do sone Russian bushcraft shit here? I would go to a welder who knows how to weld aluminium and get it done.. you need to have all the bolts the same tightness otherwise some other bit may crack... Or leak etc
@@oddis188 as I said probably 4 times in this video, this part of the engine sees no oil, it is just a cover for the magneto. It's not a big deal bro, you can spend a fortune to get your engine fixed, but I don't like wasting my money.
Propane torches are only made for like plumbing solder applications. You're gonna need an oxy fuel torch for the temps needed on the aluminum
I am not sure if it works well or no .. but i think that it will break again once you knock it in a time
Also you could've mig welded it and you need a map torch to get it hot enough, the rest of the aluminum case was pulling all the heat away like a heatsink
loving the channel mate, spent a few hours watching your vids, really enjoy your content, What state do you live in? it looks like a really nice place, im from Australia so the novelty of snow is always appealing to me, im looking at starting to restore a 1980 gs 850, i dont know a lot about bike mechanics but im super keen to give it a go, i currently also own a drz400 and a 1250 bandit, keep up the great work!
I used flex seal as a oil pan gasket.
This is my new favorite comment 😂
Thanks breh 🤣
I think that your soldering failed because the loose part moved. If the other responders are right, and the JB-Weld doesn't hold, then please try to attach the piece at one or two points using JB-Weld, and then try soldering it again. Also, try to us the flux on the brazing rod and not on the engine parts... Don't know if that will make any difference, but that's the way your test succeeded...
No the soldering failed because it cast aluminum and really need be done with tig welder and parts has be really super clean
what kind of aluminum weld do u use for a crack in my drive shaft on my moto 4
Why it failed you have to the wall so it can fixed that no one is shake in welding.
I need but mostly I want a windjammer ss if I can find one at a decent price that fits my 79 cm 400 A Hondamatic bike!!!???? Thanks buddy I appreciate it very much. Mike E. I love your channel watch every episode multiple times sometimes!
It not aluminum its magnesium thats why it won't take that kind of welding
I'm really curious to see what will happen with this JB weld in a year of strong use of the bike.
For your information, you're not supposed to power grind aluminum welding. vibrations make grinded weld to break.
I am very curious too, I've used jb weld plenty of times and it has surprised me almost all of those times, it's some good stuff
@@GoldGuyRides How did it hold up in the end? Just broke my engine and looking for a solution.
@@thecreator1234 did you end up using? And how did it work out
Next Episode of his video how to throw garbage on the trashbin. Hehehe
Just cracked my front engine under the oil drain plug when overtighten it, Im thinking to fix it with somekinda of metal epoxy but if it doesnt work just have to order new front case part :/
I did the same but can’t find anybody else who did the same on my moto. It seems to be a bad location since I didn’t even tighten it down before it cracked part of the case off.
I did the same thing. Did you have any luck?
@@TopBananaMan Well i found cheap new cover so i ordered it and problem solved :D
Practice brazing on a beer can if you can handle a beer can you can braze almost anything aluminum
Hey buddy I'm looking for a windjammer ss like you had on the Suzuki 850. Do you know where I can get one,, sorry but I don't know how else to get in touch with you! Mike E.
@4:45 Fail ....the can under, is it paint can or other chemicals? it might explode w/ that high heat....
How did you split the case after it cracked?
There are multiple points to screw in some bolts meant incase one of them broke.
Brass wire. Only. -wire brush only for aluminium welding. Regards the breakage; live and learn huh
Hello my name is Hernán and I'm from Argentina. I really like your videos, and although I do not understand the language well, I enjoy them equally. I have a Kawasaki Vulcan 750 from the year 1994, and I need new pistons. I want to ask you a favor, maybe you can help me. Do you know any page that sells them, and ship abroad? I was researching on eBay, but I found nothing. Maybe I'm not doing the search right. I'd like to find the right ones, Kawasaki. Of course, thank you very much for the inconvenience, and sorry for the ceremony. I will follow your channel, I learn a lot. Graquas again, greetings
Caro Hernan,
No pierde valor!
For any motorcycle parts, you can first check on websites like Partzilla.com, Bikebandit.com, etc... to be sure about the P/N, and check the prices.
Then when you know the P/N you search directly with it on your internet browser.
If any person is selling it online and has mentioned the P/N , in your country or anywhere else, you should be able to access his/her offer, and you can compare the prices with the previous websites.
I can see Vulcan 750 1994 new Pistons/rings are available and below are their P/N, for US models, I ...guess they are the same for Argentinian models.
in case you don't know, O/S means the piston/rings are bigger than STD standard.
O/S 1.00 for 1mm bigger, O/S 0.50 for 0.5mm bigger. These O/S are only if you need/have your cylinders enlarged ("re-bored") the same way, by a specialist. if you don't need it STD is P/N 13001-1215 for your pistons
and P/N 13008-1077 for the sets of Rings , and you need a quantity of 2 of each of these P/N.
Hope it helps!!!!!
Did this end up working
hey gold guy I got a right side inner case that I don't need if you want it
It isn't even cracked and i also live in Pa
@@stepheneoinquinn7788 Thanks! What year and model is it from?
It may hold for the time I hope it works good luck with it
The reason why it is not working because the motorcycle engine was not totally alluminum it was alloy
What did Nasa use to adhere the tiles to the space shuttle?
Carbon fiber??? Glues???
JB Weld is great if you clean the metal thoroughly and "overbuild" the area with JB Weld....in other words..stack and spread out...
There are times where you just cannot weld!
NASA used high temperature silicone to adhere the tiles, the differences being, much larger surface area, remains flexible and mostly compression loaded, not under tension, not a good analogy.
You need to slow down ,heat over 700 degrees to use that.
You have a flux welder why not use that?
Yay new vid😀 I love the vids!
You suck thought I was first 🤨
Tank Man I use to always be first then I stopped kissing boys
Hahaha thanks for watching guys
how long will it take for the next video to come. can´t wait
Today!
You sir need a
welder
Shadowcard he has a welder
Sir what the name of the flux
Do you think melting aluminum into a stud hole and rethreding it would work what I've done is drill the old to high up as a the cylinder head stud broke of so I tried drilling it out and I was left with the hole I drilled being completely off and then fitting the new stud I realized I made a huge mistake can it be resolved do you think?
Next time you braze aluminum do not use that flux stuff that stuff is what made it very difficult for you. Aluminum +flux=bad
next time heat bigger part first and clean it better.
Magnesium........
Sir meri bike ka engine and cylinder head cracked hai jiske karan oil leakage hota hai Usko Kaise repair kare please bataiye
I wouldn't trust off brand jb weld. Not for something structural.
What it a few days ? Lol
You were unable to braze the case because you used a carbon steel brush to clean to the aluminium. You must use a stainless steel brush otherwise the braze will not adhere to the aluminium. I think you should spend some time trying to acquire a good used replacement case as this one is badly messed up. Or better yet find a whole engine. I doubt the TS185 you are working on is worth the effort.
Pretty sure case is magnesium
Wrong. It’s constructed with Vibranium.
PUT YOUR MASK ON!! Aluminium if VERY poisonous !
Too bad a new engine case would cost a bundle, especially an aftermarket part. Oh well. I hope the patches held. Be thankful it's not the 80s and 90s anymore. There would be 2 feet of snow on the ground from November to the end of March and freezing cold. Then it would take until May for the snow to melt and for it to start raining again. Isn't global warming wonderful.
Not to be an ass but it won't work bro. Unless you weld them together it won't work.
We will see...
I have to agree, just cant see it holding.
It may not work but either way the bike will still run as intended. This doesn't need to seal other then to keep dirt out. Worst case good old mesh screen and JB weld.
Or you could just replace the $30 part
What vintage crankcase half costs $30?
Clamp the parts first!
Case halves are cheap on eBay...
I love your enthusiasm, but you don't half brake a load of stuff 😩
I’m lol
Hep
me
Yeah I hated it.
Me too, but it will work.
GoldGuy watch the workshop with mat, he's an engineer by trade and loves motorbikes. He does a lot of stuff some practical and some theory as well. BTW , thanks for the response didn't expect that. Keep going and don't be too proud to learn from other people.
@@johnmeade6889 I learn from other people all of the time! Mainly other people on UA-cam.
GoldGuy mat is very good, Andy motor cycle obsession are brilliant, stay away from dell boys garage. Keep going with the Chanel and learn as you go. All the best John UK
Hahahahaha totally not Work...
Oh boy young man.
Messy workshop.
Messy mind.
That metal you were trying to alumiweld was filthy, and you should have taken it to a machinist to have it properly tigged. Not that costly if you go to a shop.
Aluminum is unforgiving.