I've had my standard mt10 suspension setup and it's a totally different bike now, so if you're going down the route of the standard one, highly recommended, as for the brakes, like most of the owners do, just change the pads for sinter pads (same as the one in the video) as for the buying a sp, I don't think it's worth the extra money personally, if you have to change the suspension on the sp, it's a lot more difficult as it's electric...... I'm happy with my cyan storm standard bike, sorry Tim, it's not as black and white as you think....
I've said it, and I'll say it again, the suspension changes everything. Here we have the Ford Ranger and Ranger 'Wildtrack', and the real deal sealer is the active suspension. It makes all the difference. Great review. I agree with you. 😊
Mt10 sp not having brembos is a fumble in my opinion. However yamaha finally picked the ball back up with the 2024 Mt09 sp getting the brembos. Let's hope they also have added braided lines, as they did aslo give it the brembo master cylinder.
Quite the opposite, high quality suspension soaks up the bumps and cracks on roads and keep you confident to still go fast. On a racetrack you usually have a nice and smooth surface.
Like you I bought sp purely on the looks , and have set about modding it , I've de catted it k and n filter and come spring re map , love the bike it's a keeper for me , best bike I've owned .
I sometimes wish I had waited to find the SP when I bought my 2023 MT-10, but after a few mods I’m in love with this bike and don’t feel like I’m missing out that much from the SP. Granted your SP looks awesome so if I had the opportunity to go back I would probably go for the SP.
Interesting video as usual Tim, thank you! Oh, the joys of autumn riding in the UK... all those leaves and little lines of general detritus just where you want to put your wheels! I think what your comparison points to is the value of really good suspension that keeps the main mass of the bike and rider under control, and allows the wheels to move to connect with the road - what the SP seems to do is manage that better in more conditions that gives you more confidence - nothing is worse in sketchy conditions than when the bike starts bouncing (you with it) and you lose the confidence to be able to place it accurately. It'll be interesting to see your thoughts on the 09. Keep 'em coming!
Great review and all the right considerations raised. I’m a tart too and always go for the top available spec except for this instance however and generally feel the SP is worth every penny for most riders that want an all rounder. I love the all black scheme so went tech black, I’m also heavier than a standard rider so opted to put the money saved into a fast road / track orientated suspension set-up.l which I’ve had dialled into what I want. Comfort is sacrificed but I won’t be doing touring on this bike personally. Brakes are going to be compldtely overhauled too. As your review outlines you’ll be happy with either, the SP is worth the extra to most unless you have different priorities like myself.
That’s an incredibly well balanced and thought-out comment. Are you sure you’re on the right website? 😂 you’re meant to be saying “my opinion is right and you’re all wrong”! Hope you’re enjoying your MT!
Great comparison review. I've no doubt the SP is the better bike but when I picked up my MT10 for £12.5k there was £4k price difference which I personally couldn't justify. Now there are deals also on the SP to be had bringing that difference to nearer that £2k I might of pulled the trigger on that one. I have the base models fully adjustable suspension dialed in now for me and it's great. Would I like the option to twiddle for different roads or riding mood? Yeah, but not at the previous £4k difference.
I have just bought ( not even delivered yet) MT10 and with deals about the MT10 is over £3000 more than the SP, I didn’t test ride either but I could not justify the price difference
Honestly I prefer the MT-09. Not because of price but because it feels like a supermoto (have not tried 2024.model). It's just so much fun. And the 117bhp doesn't feel like it's much weaker. It's ballistic to realistic speeds. Go try one. I like it better.
Hi Tim, the cost you mention of buying one of these made me wonder what your thoughts are when comparing them to an Aprilia Tuono Factory. I bought my Factory in November last year for 15k and it's insane (not sure how long I'll keep my license, but it'll be fun). You rode the Aprilia and it seems like they are both similar with regard to madness. And their obvious drinking issue!
Moral of story. Handling will probably be better, performance will be the same. Does the better suspension give you an edge in the overall riding experience? Unless you’re an experienced rider I’d say it’s a wash, but you’re 2500 grand poorer.
Getting my standard mt10, 23 plate pre reg, 0 miles, tomorrow. £11.995, saving 2k! SP colours are lovely, but I'm not sure it's justified the extra £2500..
correction, can't change suspension settings on the fly, only at full stop, and it DOES NOT matter if you get SP or standard, get better BRAKE PADS!!!! pads should be the first thing to do on these bike, then after get it FLASHED! if you want to, change the mid pipe and eliminate that CAT but from what I've seen from dyno charts on FLASHED BIKES, people have been getting same to very similar WHP rating with cat or cat delete, but the flash is where you'll make some serious power delivery!!! 😎😎
So sad that the '24 MT09 & SP both get updates, the SP even gets Brembos... The MT10 gets nothing of the sort. I am in the market for a hyper-naked and I think I'll just grab a used Super Duke and wait for either the 1390 or an updated MT10SP in '25.
Tim, good comparison vid, as per usual - good work! :) Question, do you agree that the standard MT10 has a great setup fork wise, but the rear shock is both (if you're heavier than approx 60kgs) under-damped and under-sprung (which can't be fixed with knob twiddling?). The option I went for (which I probably already told you), was to replace the rear shock with the R1 shock (you get a nicer forged/machined ally unit and a ride height adjuster into the bargain, reworked (in my case by MCT), with new valving and an uprated shock to match my weight). It's like having a whole new bike which handles LIGHT YEARS better than the standard bike!!! :) :D :D Perhaps that mod, plus some AM braided lines FTW cost/performance VFM wise? (I spent less than £600 on the shock all in). Thoughts?
I haven't I'm afraid! I've sort of made a point of not reviewing any more 1000cc supersports bikes on the road because… it doesn't make for a very exciting video. If I can get a go on one on a track then absolutely I will :)
I like your review style, but I know it’s not only me that thinks your opinion is biased, simply because you own the SP. You’re never going to buy something for 16k and then say it’s crap. I much prefer the look of the standard bike and the minor flaws can easily be sorted with a spenders tune and good pads and still have lots of change in your pocket over the SP.
I dunno, there's such a difference between A-3 (softest) and A-1 (hardest) that it makes a huge difference being able to have soft suspension on the motorway and firming it up for twisty roads. Best bit of the bike after the engine!
@@timrodieridesfor me its less about the colour than where it is. For me anything other than chrome r black wheels looks tacky, yamaha has some lovely colours but it never goes on the tank and bodywork
I tried to tell the difference, only owning the stock bike, but the man at the dealership told me to stop….and put some clothes on….and get off his porch…. I may be confusing this with something else. 😵💫. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
The sp is closer to 14500 nowadays when I paid 11.300 for my 09 sp they were 16k+ if they were 14 at the point of me buying my 09 it would’ve made the decision a lot harder that and ktm are trying give away the 1290 now that everyone’s knows about the 1390 but it’s a ktm still I like my bikes to start every time and not break
If you want to cruise and can't be bothered with chain maintenance the BMWs are your obvious choice. If you want a fun and great sounding machine with bags of character the MT10 is a cracking choice.
I'm not sure it's really a 'scumbag move'... offering a normal version and a higher end version is something that almost every bike and car company does!
I was disappointed in the mt10 power. Its nothing like the R1. Where the mt runs out of power the R1 is developing another 60 hp. And the growl from the R1 is way louder. You can hear the intake track open and the upper injectors kick in around 10k and the power pour on. It would be better if you have an R1 and made an mt10 out of it
@@Ryan-dw7xk lol go away kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. They're the same engine. Minus the titanium rods in the R1 Different profile cams in the mt10. But its still a cp4 engine in both. The R1 has 4 extra fuel injectors and a variable length intake.
The electronic suspension is totally worth it. Changing to the softest setting on bad roads is a god send.
Totally agree, putting it in A-3 mode is like having a general anaesthetic up the bum
I much prefer the paint scheme on the standard bike
The fluoro wheels are waaay too lairy...
Which is why the cb1000r black edition is popular.
@@nabahmadi5012 there's a bike for any taste 👍👍
@I_am_Thursday the customer is always right in matters of taste 👍
I've had my standard mt10 suspension setup and it's a totally different bike now, so if you're going down the route of the standard one, highly recommended, as for the brakes, like most of the owners do, just change the pads for sinter pads (same as the one in the video) as for the buying a sp, I don't think it's worth the extra money personally, if you have to change the suspension on the sp, it's a lot more difficult as it's electric...... I'm happy with my cyan storm standard bike, sorry Tim, it's not as black and white as you think....
Good review.
I've said it, and I'll say it again, the suspension changes everything. Here we have the Ford Ranger and Ranger 'Wildtrack', and the real deal sealer is the active suspension. It makes all the difference. Great review. I agree with you. 😊
100% good suspension can transform a vehicle
Mt10 sp not having brembos is a fumble in my opinion. However yamaha finally picked the ball back up with the 2024 Mt09 sp getting the brembos. Let's hope they also have added braided lines, as they did aslo give it the brembo master cylinder.
I think the MT10 will be getting a Brembo-revisit end of 2024. That's my guess
Definitely think it’s worth changing the pads. Makes a big difference. Lovely bike!
100%. Original ones are made from wood. Base model + HH sintered pads > SP (with braided lines) + std pads.
I say if u wanna track it, go SP. For street only, the standard works just fine with a few upgrades!
Quite the opposite, high quality suspension soaks up the bumps and cracks on roads and keep you confident to still go fast. On a racetrack you usually have a nice and smooth surface.
Like you I bought sp purely on the looks , and have set about modding it , I've de catted it k and n filter and come spring re map , love the bike it's a keeper for me , best bike I've owned .
I sometimes wish I had waited to find the SP when I bought my 2023 MT-10, but after a few mods I’m in love with this bike and don’t feel like I’m missing out that much from the SP. Granted your SP looks awesome so if I had the opportunity to go back I would probably go for the SP.
Interesting video as usual Tim, thank you! Oh, the joys of autumn riding in the UK... all those leaves and little lines of general detritus just where you want to put your wheels! I think what your comparison points to is the value of really good suspension that keeps the main mass of the bike and rider under control, and allows the wheels to move to connect with the road - what the SP seems to do is manage that better in more conditions that gives you more confidence - nothing is worse in sketchy conditions than when the bike starts bouncing (you with it) and you lose the confidence to be able to place it accurately. It'll be interesting to see your thoughts on the 09. Keep 'em coming!
Great review and all the right considerations raised. I’m a tart too and always go for the top available spec except for this instance however and generally feel the SP is worth every penny for most riders that want an all rounder.
I love the all black scheme so went tech black, I’m also heavier than a standard rider so opted to put the money saved into a fast road / track orientated suspension set-up.l which I’ve had dialled into what I want. Comfort is sacrificed but I won’t be doing touring on this bike personally. Brakes are going to be compldtely overhauled too.
As your review outlines you’ll be happy with either, the SP is worth the extra to most unless you have different priorities like myself.
That’s an incredibly well balanced and thought-out comment. Are you sure you’re on the right website? 😂 you’re meant to be saying “my opinion is right and you’re all wrong”! Hope you’re enjoying your MT!
SP version looks more premium
The cyan is gross. I can hardly believe they took that risk
Enjoyed that Timothy! SP certainly worth the extra in my view! 👍
Thank you sir! Yeah I don't have buyer's remorse haha
Great comparison review. I've no doubt the SP is the better bike but when I picked up my MT10 for £12.5k there was £4k price difference which I personally couldn't justify. Now there are deals also on the SP to be had bringing that difference to nearer that £2k I might of pulled the trigger on that one. I have the base models fully adjustable suspension dialed in now for me and it's great. Would I like the option to twiddle for different roads or riding mood? Yeah, but not at the previous £4k difference.
I bought a normal , just love all black look .
I have just bought ( not even delivered yet) MT10 and with deals about the MT10 is over £3000 more than the SP, I didn’t test ride either but I could not justify the price difference
Honestly I prefer the MT-09. Not because of price but because it feels like a supermoto (have not tried 2024.model). It's just so much fun. And the 117bhp doesn't feel like it's much weaker. It's ballistic to realistic speeds. Go try one. I like it better.
I've got an MT09SP at the moment to review. It's heaps of fun, and you're right it feels ballistic too. Also makes a great noise!
Mt 09 feels like a 600 vs Mt 10 brutal and raw power✊🔥🔥
That engine sounds amazing even through my iPad speaker!
Why have I been looking at MT10SPs 🤔
You're meant to buy one, that's why
Tell us more about the Turkish hair
If I make enough money on UA-cam next year I'll get it done 😂
A consideration for a trade on my speed triple 1050 RS! 👍🏻
@@timrodierides Didn't work for Trump... ;)
Hi Tim, the cost you mention of buying one of these made me wonder what your thoughts are when comparing them to an Aprilia Tuono Factory. I bought my Factory in November last year for 15k and it's insane (not sure how long I'll keep my license, but it'll be fun). You rode the Aprilia and it seems like they are both similar with regard to madness. And their obvious drinking issue!
Moral of story. Handling will probably be better, performance will be the same. Does the better suspension give you an edge in the overall riding experience? Unless you’re an experienced rider I’d say it’s a wash, but you’re 2500 grand poorer.
Getting my standard mt10, 23 plate pre reg, 0 miles, tomorrow. £11.995, saving 2k!
SP colours are lovely, but I'm not sure it's justified the extra £2500..
Next week taking 2024 mt 09 sp for test ride and 2024 Mt 10. Probably wait a year and get the 09.
correction, can't change suspension settings on the fly, only at full stop, and it DOES NOT matter if you get SP or standard, get better BRAKE PADS!!!! pads should be the first thing to do on these bike, then after get it FLASHED! if you want to, change the mid pipe and eliminate that CAT but from what I've seen from dyno charts on FLASHED BIKES, people have been getting same to very similar WHP rating with cat or cat delete, but the flash is where you'll make some serious power delivery!!! 😎😎
So sad that the '24 MT09 & SP both get updates, the SP even gets Brembos... The MT10 gets nothing of the sort.
I am in the market for a hyper-naked and I think I'll just grab a used Super Duke and wait for either the 1390 or an updated MT10SP in '25.
Tim, good comparison vid, as per usual - good work! :) Question, do you agree that the standard MT10 has a great setup fork wise, but the rear shock is both (if you're heavier than approx 60kgs) under-damped and under-sprung (which can't be fixed with knob twiddling?). The option I went for (which I probably already told you), was to replace the rear shock with the R1 shock (you get a nicer forged/machined ally unit and a ride height adjuster into the bargain, reworked (in my case by MCT), with new valving and an uprated shock to match my weight). It's like having a whole new bike which handles LIGHT YEARS better than the standard bike!!! :) :D :D Perhaps that mod, plus some AM braided lines FTW cost/performance VFM wise? (I spent less than £600 on the shock all in). Thoughts?
You were complaining about the turning circle, but were your bars actually at the stop there?
Another one for you Tim….should I go with the new 2024 Mt09sp when it arrives or mt10sp🤔🤔🤣
I've not ridden the new MT-09... but I'm going to say MT-10. Brawnier. Better noise. Better suspension. Worse brakes...
Tim have you tried out the R1 and R1M? Can you give us your thoughts?
I haven't I'm afraid! I've sort of made a point of not reviewing any more 1000cc supersports bikes on the road because… it doesn't make for a very exciting video. If I can get a go on one on a track then absolutely I will :)
Great comparison👍👍
Hope you don't mind but what bike jeans you wearing there?
Keep the videos coming👌
They're Rokker ones with a big white stain on the arse that I keep forgetting about :D
I like your review style, but I know it’s not only me that thinks your opinion is biased, simply because you own the SP. You’re never going to buy something for 16k and then say it’s crap. I much prefer the look of the standard bike and the minor flaws can easily be sorted with a spenders tune and good pads and still have lots of change in your pocket over the SP.
Nice....
Cheers sir!
Have you upgraded the brake pads?
Not yet! I’ve actually learned to deal with the brakes now
Your making my decision to buy a MT or Tuono really hard! 😂
Can you buy the SP spec bike but with the teal wheels?
Nope
I hate the SP colours and polished swingarm and I'm happy out with my standard MT10 nobody needs to change suspension settings once set up
I dunno, there's such a difference between A-3 (softest) and A-1 (hardest) that it makes a huge difference being able to have soft suspension on the motorway and firming it up for twisty roads. Best bit of the bike after the engine!
I’d pay 2k to ride a bike without teal wheels!
What's wrong with teal? Better than the usual colours!
@@timrodierides You can’t beat blue on a Yamaha!
@@timrodieridesfor me its less about the colour than where it is. For me anything other than chrome r black wheels looks tacky, yamaha has some lovely colours but it never goes on the tank and bodywork
Having never ridden either I can tell you there is very little difference, its just a matter of taste.
😂
I tried to tell the difference, only owning the stock bike, but the man at the dealership told me to stop….and put some clothes on….and get off his porch…. I may be confusing this with something else. 😵💫. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
The sp is closer to 14500 nowadays when I paid 11.300 for my 09 sp they were 16k+ if they were 14 at the point of me buying my 09 it would’ve made the decision a lot harder that and ktm are trying give away the 1290 now that everyone’s knows about the 1390 but it’s a ktm still I like my bikes to start every time and not break
Just been on auto the standard 10 is 11999 still probably have my 09 sp over a stock 10 though cheapest new 10sp was 13999
Buying an MT10 to replace a KTM 1290 SAR that had a critical engine failure. My advice is to avoid high horsepower KTMs at all cost.
Kaeru no chō. 🐸 🍜
Arigato
£14k is not cheap! 😂
Why are you tempting me? I am the happy owner of Tracer 9GT and now I want to try MT10SP, and this is dangerous for my wallet.
Mt09 sp vs mt10 ? They are the same price ish
depends on the type of riding that you do... MT09SP is more nimble
Yeah, MT09 SP is defintely more nimble and flighty and fun in its own way. Got an MT09 SP review coming in the next week or so
Nimble and lofty (wheelies) = MT09. Ballistic with a characterful soundtrack = MT10. Make your choice and pay your money. You can't go wrong.
@@timrodierides MT 09SP also gets better fuel mileage and the insurance is cheaper... Overall the cost of ownership will be cheaper.
so if you live in Northamptonshire get an SP, not the standard
Or Essex. Or Surrey!
Please tell me you did actually sell your apples shares forma Turkish hair transplantm🤞🏻
Haha not everything I say is true. The stuff about motorbikes is...
But …MT10SP, or RnineT, or the other naked beemer boxer (RS?)?
Very different bikes! But I've ridden them all and I bought the Yamaha...
If you want to cruise and can't be bothered with chain maintenance the BMWs are your obvious choice. If you want a fun and great sounding machine with bags of character the MT10 is a cracking choice.
SOP yamaha scumbag move : gimp the non sp to make the sp look and feel good.
I'm not sure it's really a 'scumbag move'... offering a normal version and a higher end version is something that almost every bike and car company does!
Just buy a Z H2 SE. Problem solved.
Clearly you blokes over there aren't concerned with our US problem: DEER. Boat-loads of 'em, 200 pounds of meat-wall.
It's an issue here. One just plays the odds.
I was disappointed in the mt10 power. Its nothing like the R1. Where the mt runs out of power the R1 is developing another 60 hp. And the growl from the R1 is way louder. You can hear the intake track open and the upper injectors kick in around 10k and the power pour on.
It would be better if you have an R1 and made an mt10 out of it
R1 is flatplane, MT10 is cross plane. different engines
@@Ryan-dw7xk lol go away kid. You have no idea what you're talking about. They're the same engine. Minus the titanium rods in the R1
Different profile cams in the mt10. But its still a cp4 engine in both. The R1 has 4 extra fuel injectors and a variable length intake.
True. I owned both at the same time and the R1 made the MT10 feel pretty slow.