Is BIGGER actually BETTER? | 2019 Yamaha MT10 vs 2021 MT09 sp
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Today we're comparing my personal bike, the 2019 Yamaha MT10, to the 2021 Yamaha MT-09sp loaner bike that we've had in the shop for a while. I'm curious to find out if a bigger engine automatically makes the MT10 better. Let's find out if it's time to switch!
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Just bought a 2018 MT-10 with 1,000 miles on it. Thanks for all your videos which helped me make up my mind on which bike to get! The MT-10 is a beast, love it!
MT09 is a lot better than the MT10. I have the 2022 MT09 and had the MT10 for 1 month. I have to say that the MT10 is really an overkill and not needed. Plus the MT09 is a lot better when it comes to agilty, fuel consumption and price
Hang out for the MT10sp. The Gen3 09 rules the upper middleweight roost but the Gen2 10, especially with the active Ohlins, is next level. You know you gotta at least try it...
Exactly. Maybe Yamaha will hook him up with a short term loaner 2022 MT-10 SP this spring.
Yeah it's gonna be interesting though cause the mt 09 got lighter but the the new mt 10 is heavier
@@gavin3810 And the MT-09 got more displacement (more power) too. I recently purchased a '21 MT-09 SP. Even if the MT-10 SP is a better bike, its hard to justify the $5,800 premium between the bikes.
@@dahveed284 yeah it got like 30 more cc's to combat emissions I love my 21 my 09 sp its making like 3 more hp and a few ft lbs the ecu flash is gonna be crazy on it though
@@gavin3810 Let us know how that flash goes. Did you put an aftermarket pipe on it? Mine is pretty much stock. The bike is a blast for day riding. I can only imagine how much fun it would be if I lived in a twisty area of the US.
I first saw the MT10 (FZ10) in your test ride video 5 years ago. Last August, I flew to Dallas to pick up my dream bike. Thank you for the reviews and inspiration!
MT09 will be my next bike for the sole reason it being lighter and more compact. If I wanted the bigger MT10, I'd go with the tracer 900 instead. But I wanted a lower seat height and lighter weight naked bike. I already have a tall KTM 690 SMCR so a shorter seat height would be a good addition that my current bike doesn't full fill. Although the KTM is much lighter and nimble.
And the power is way more than I need. I originally wanted the MT07 but I don't like it's looks. If the MT07 looked more like the MT09, I'd get that.
I have 3rd gen mt09sp. I am looking at mt10 sometimes, but I am afraid I will lose mt09 lightness and wildness on lower speeds. And that’s why I love this bike so much.
I test rode MT09 SP few months ago and it felt like that bike was much easier to turn and go faster in corners than the MT 10. It probably has to do with the weight difference and the fact that 09 SP had 180 tire in the back.
@@MrWolf2212I very much agree, even with a sum 50lb difference, something like this can very much be felt as well.
You’ll never lose the wildness with an mt-10
@@SludgedB Probably so.
But I've tried motoymkhana for the first time this Sunday. I think I felt in love,. I think in terms of flickability MT09 is exactly what I need for this kind of sport. Feels like it will be harder to do motogymkhana with MT10.
@@bosk1n that’s not a Motorsport you go to for being “wild”
Had a Mt 9sp,,,great bike,,, for 3 years,,, now have a Mt 10,,,the 10 easy the better bike,, but haven't ridden the new 10 sp,,, but the old 9 sp was like rideing a big honda msx125,,, (grom),,, for me the 9 is to small,,,,,, but we're all different,,, but for me the 10 is the one,,, eats tyres,,, chews chains, drinks fuel,,, its a monster,,, smiles per miles,,,
I Demo'd the MT-10 SP and rhe MT-09 SP and I like the MT -09 SP better. More Street able and I like the linear power and sound of Triples.
I recently bought a 2021 mt09. Didn’t want to wait for the xsr900. The mt10 is cool but I want something wild and lighter.
I love big bikes, but honestly the mt-09 sp or more likely the Duke 890 r are my style of riding. Light, flickable, and hopefully less speeding tickets. I challenge any big bike to keep up on the twisties.
Haha, on point bro! I've purchased myself an mt-09 sp in the hope to get fewer speeding tickets. :)
@@bosk1n that’s a sick bike! I went ducati hypermotard. Stupid expensive but tons of fun.
OC - MT-09sp and triple is great, but wait for the 10SP!!! just see the difference. Then decide!
Hei Chase, the SP version of both MT-10 and MT-09 has been available in europe since 2016. It's not a special thing to have super good suspensions from factory.
I ordered a mt10 gen 2 on 18/10/2021.. still not here and im close to getting a 09 sp i need a bike i cant wait...
I'm currently on the mt07 an was looking at the mt10 but the mt10 I've been told is very thirsty not great on fuel an the mt09sp has the power as good fuel for long days out riding il test ride then both though to get a good feel
OC: definitely wait for the MT-10 SP!!!!
I ride a MT09, and rode MT10 at Yamaha demo event. The MT10 made me list my MT09 on craigslist almost that same day. No comparison, the MT10 felt better in EVERY way. Looking forward to the 2022 MT10!
You're talking about previous gen mt09...
Definitely wait for MT-10sp
OC: Gotta wait for the 10SP before you jump ship. Mt 10 is an amazing machine and the sound is way better than the 09.
I’m with you!!! I’m here after googling mt-10 sp vs mt-09 sp. besides the obvious 100cc difference…the 09 has manually adjustable suspension vs electronically active adjustable suspension. Plus, the fact that the 10 sp is basically an R1M with even better suspension at almost $10k LESS than the R1M!!! Let’s see the 09 do THAT!
I still have my 2016 FZ09 and I love it. It’s a supermoto on steroids. Lol
Be interesting in the comparison with the new gen mt10
I prefer the look of the new MT09 to the old one and the MT10. It's balanced and futuristic without looking like a goofy transformer, especially when the lights are on. I hate the uneven lights on the MT10, and I hate the uneven lights on my Tiger 900 (but love the bike). Waiting for Yamaha to get the MT10 design right before I buy one, but that engine ihas the potential to convince me. Unfortunately for Yamaha, the Tuono exists and until they sort the styling out.....I'm out
i ride a bike i don't spend all day looking at it , have seen most of the Ktms nowadays dreadful and don't start me on Hayabusa's
I really don’t like the design of the new mt09 so much so that I would rather get the previous year or just get a Triumph street triple.
Well than Look is more important to you than function
Not a fan of the new format. I loved the old school format.
Really eyeballing the mt09 for my first bigger bike. Love all the features and it just sounds so good
OC wait for that sp mt10.
Everyone saying about the 22 mt10sp but honestly it’s just too ugly for me to even consider it. I’ll stick with my 21 mt09 and plan to add a ktm super duke eventually as well.
Dunno man.. that 21 mt09 got hit with an ugly stick.. not a pretty bike by any means.. yikes!!!
@@doylee469 check out blockheads 21 09 sp, with the windscreen he has, fender eliminator, and bar end mirrors, they look way better
Uh... The MT-10's stock throttle is TERRIBLE. It's jerky and has a huge flat spot around 5k. It's awful
MT09 sp. Because you can ride it more then 100 miles.
MT 10 is better.. i have a 2020 MT09
If you don't get a loaner MT-10 SP amma be super mad. Ill unsubscribe for one week... lmao
But for real, the new 09 sp is obviously better than your 2019 MT-10. I have a 2021 MT-10, and still think the new 09 sp is better, just because of all the electronics it has. Can't wait to se the 10 sp on this channel though.
2022 Mt 10 🤮 2021 Mt 10 sp 🤙🔥
Someone should tell that MT-10 rider that he has a severe case of duck feet...
Both nice bikes and one is not necessarily better than the other... just what is best for each one of us.
The MT09 SP fits my needs perfectly... and it's fast enough for me.
Yeah, the 3 cylinder is the perfect compromise between a 2 and 4 cylinder, it has torque like a 2 cylinder but the revs and HP of a 4 cylinder
The truer comparison would be waiting to see where the MT10SP improves on the MT10.
Then compare to two SP.
Too much hype over two mismatched and unequal machines.
Just sold my Mt09.... Love the MT10. much better.. better power. better high way . better in the twisties
Mt-09 family unite! We have prevailed and become victorious. We are Chases chosen ones!
OC: MT09SP - lighter, different powerband better for street and importantly, better fuel econ. Less stops
on road , track or twisties the lighter bike is my preference - my MT09SP 2023 is so much fun...
Great video. How flickable was the MT-10? Did you ever get to compare the MT-10s' agility to the MT-09? Thanks
I can tell you new gen mt09 does feel considerably more "flickable" than '18 mt10 because it weighs 56 lbs less than mt10. New gen mt09 weighs 8 pounds less than previous gen, 6 of those pounds were saved in the wheels alone, they are REALLY light, that helps contribute to flickability a bunch!
i dont see why the specific year would make any difference. the answer is simple, if you wanna go over 130 mph get the mt10. simples!
Everyone and thier Dog owns an MT
I had an MT09 for several years and now have an MT10. For me, the MT10 wins in every regard.
The latest gen mt 09 is a game changer if you can try one I highly recommend it
i don't understand why you compare a 1st gen mt10 to a 3rd gen mt09 SP.
i had an xsr700, great bike with bad suspension. wanted something bigger, tested both mt09 2nd gen and m10 1st gen.
well, the mt09 was nervous, i just didn't feel good on this bike. the mt10 is perfect for me, you can hoon, you can commute. the suspension is well enough for me and the sound is just mindblowing.
wouldn't trade my 10 for anything in the world.
OC: Good comparison but you know you gotta revisit this when you get a long term MT-10 SP. Pros and cons to both but for me it’d be the 10 SP.
I’ve heard that a few people had their mt10 engines grenade on them. I’m a bit nervous about getting an mt10 for this reason.
why would a reliable engine (r1) become unreliable in a mt10?@@keltecdan
Here in norway the MT09 SP is $10.000 cheaper than MT10, but i dont like the new 09 as good as the new 2022 MT10
I would like to see both of them 09 SP & 10 SP too it would be interesting 😇
I bought a '21 non sp mt09 new about 6 mo ago after having an awesome '18. While impressed with the new gen mt09 I found several REALLY cheap, cheesy pieces on it. Front blinkers that fall off on their own, pathetic excuse for a rear brake pedal, THE most budget rear shock I've ever seen put on a bike. Much of this would be solved with the sp, I know. I found a screaming deal on a blue '18 mt10 with 1k mi on it. I bought, yes it's a gas pig but has FAR superior components on it, R1 suspension sprung softer, just way better stuff! Mt10 easy and cheap to get big power out of also.
I’m currently on an *R7* and my next bike will be the *R9* over the *R1* for sure !
09 does not have THAT motor an sound! priceless!
OC: Compare the 2021 MT-09 SP with the 2022 MT-10 SP which comes out in May. It is the first production motorcycle to be fitted with the Öhlins’ next generation electronically controlled suspension. Braided steel brake lines are standard, and it has a premium 4.2-Inch Full-Color TFT Display. Unfortunately, it'll cost $17,529 out the door.....Myself?...I'll save $6,000+ and be happy with the MT-09 SP
May my ass bro i ordered a standard mt 10 in 15/10/2021 and 7 months later still not here
@@noahlul698 I got my 2021 MT-09 SP last week....however, it's a 2022 (for an extra $520) Took over a year to get it, but that's understandable as I live out in the sticks - The San Francisco Bay Area?!
Please do MT 10SP ride comparison...new MT 10 as well. Then I'll decide which one to buy! Thanks for all you do!
The my-09 was my first ever bike and I fell in love even riding my buddies faster bikes, now I’m looking at the mt-10 cuz I hear it’s just a different beast, thank you so much for your input
I've ridden both and I own a 2020 MT-10. Two excellent bikes but I prefer the ergo of the MT-10. As far as power, both have enough power to bring a smile in your face and it's almost impossible to use the full potential of these bikes on public roads.
Fuel range?
@@mickeymang6 If you're hard on the throttle, it'll be thirsty. As i'm smooth, I'll get 6.2L/100km. The light comes on at approx. 200 km.
I disagree.. any aggresive riding will have you thirsty for more then the mt09 can offer.. a vrod shouldnt be able to keep up with a sport ike like it does an mt09.. I need also to be able to get away from arse holes on the highway.. the mt09 just doesnt have the juice to dust what the power sports cars come with nowadays.. after about 70-80 mph the mt09 feels sliggish.. even with a ecu tune and exhaust.. MT10 ftw!
wish I could afford either one
Honestly I love both bikes, normally if it has an engine and wheels I’m happy. But for me personally it’s that CP4 all day. The torque the sound and the true potential, it’s simply in a different class. SP Versions are also nice as any special edition, but in either case, with that being said no matter the bike you need to wake them up to reach their potential, stock tunes meeting emissions regulations have manufacturers pinned down. Flash the ECU’s and install a real intake and exhaust and test them then.
Why compare a middleweight bike to a super naked heavyweight? The dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen. What about comparing a 2022 MT10 sp? I didn’t think so, you haven’t got the balls. The 2022 would win in EVERY regard.
OC - I'd go for the MT09SP, great fan of triple cylinder engines. First thing I would do is relocate the horn, who stuck it there!!!
Agreed. One of few things about the bike looks bad!
I took mine completely off (idiots ignore 18 wheeler horns what's my little fairy horn going to do)
Removed the rear fender, smaller signals, hub guard, aftermarket sprockets, brake lines, levers, removed reflectors, pegs, it is nuts how much weight was dropped, and the bike looks much better.
It's a really good bike for a decent price, and lots of room to customize, improve, and make it your own.
The aftermarket exhaust all look out of place it’s like their too long
Even the shortys fell off
Feel off
Have no idea why you have so few views these days. Thanks for the content and keep up the great work!
I bought a 2018 mt10 for 9400 under 1k miles. A used mt09sp, inferior to the 10, costs 2k more. Go figure
OC: Gotta check out the MT10 SP
Facts
Came to this video to find a comparison between the bikes. No tech speccs where given, no comparison was given more than "this is what i feel about the two bikes" and a lot of telling me to go look at other videos. Suggestion, if you are going to compare them, start talking about the bikes itself, compare their spec sheets, in the beginning and then later on talk about what you "feel" about them.
Gotta go with the mt10 for the cross plane engine hands down. Thanks for a great comparison Chase.
The mt-09 also has a cross plane 3 cylinder engine though that’s why it’s called cp3
It is not really a crossplane. Neither is the Cp2. It is just a sale gimmic. The reason they made the "crossplane" cp4 engine is to prevent 2. Vibrations (forces from the acceleration and deceleration of the piston in its rotating path). That is why the MT10 has such a smooth engine. A inline 3 will never be as smooth. It is physicaly impossible. Hope it helps :) sorry for my english @@JLondono86
@@JLondono86 thats not what he meant and you know it 😂
R1 / mt10 are class of its own
owned both
to me mt09 is better
I picked up a 2021 SP like the one you've been riding 5 weeks ago and just had it out for the first time last weekend. I must say........it's wicked cool!! The hype is real.
Went to a neighboring state to pick mine up last December. Got 1100 miles under it already, it's such a fun bike.
I wonder how the 2022 mt10 base compares to the 2022 mt09sp
I would like to see you do some reviews on the new kawasaki Z900 and how it compares to the MT09. I know there's videos of them being compared but not with the new 2022 models and not being riden and compared side by side
OC: comparison between the 09SP and the 10SP and then decide.
Don’t think you can really go wrong with either one. Both great bikes with different personalities.
Why wouldn't you compare the MT10SP to the MT09SP?
OC: wait and see what they do with the 10 SP. It's about the feel with bikes.
How about the air resistance while riding? Mt-10 has a visor and mt-09 do not.
Wait for the MT-10SP; Ride safe!
i'm riding for 25 years. last seven of then on mt-09. did on it 50,000 kilometers. thought about mt-10. for the first time i'm planning to get another mt-09 at some point. i must say 90% of my ride is in urban area.
OC: Gotta be the MT09 SP in my opinion. I can't wait to get one. I've gone so long without a sweet sounding triple since losing my Daytona 675R.
Yep bigger is always better unless your talking Harley then it just never better. Harley is weak sauce.
OC: Wait for MT10SP. It will be out soon. Or if you find a great deal on the MT09SP.
I'm curious to say an MT-09SP vs MT-10SP comparison. Is the 10SP REALLY worth the price hike?
Yes it is
Mt-10 sp
Good compairison, but you will need to do another when they release the next gen MT-10!
They already did, right?
@@bthemaster7830 the Gen 2 mt10 isn't available yet.
@@TAR_MEDIA_AUS o my bad, I thought the blue-ish mt10 was the new gen..?
@@bthemaster7830 yeah the Cyan blue is the new gen but they haven't been delivered to customers yet. I'm the admin of the MT10 owners FB group and I haven't seen anyone posts saying they have picked up their new bike yet. Also as far as I can tell no one has done a test ride/review on UA-cam yet. Hopefully in the next few week people will start getting them. I've ordered an SP but I don't think I'll see it until may probably here in Australia.
@@TAR_MEDIA_AUS Ahh ok. Just have to stay awake until May then😜 What are the significant improvements on the gen 1? I have an MT09 2021 and it is not comparible to the previous gen, other then the name…
Hello community, is it okay in all your opinions that I can upgrade from an MT125 to the MT09?
Power difference If you have the willpower to stick it in mode 4 for a few months while you get used to it, yes it's do able.
Size/weight difference - Depends on the rider.... and experience.
Im going for the MT-10, thanks
Couldn't find the sp bought a kawaski instead
Gen 2 09 look better - Gen 3 looks unfinished
Mt10 poor mans R1 the 09 is the better street bike
What are your thoughts on the new mt10 2022 with all thé new stuff? Because i own a mt09 sp 2021. But im looking to upgrade to thé new mt10. Would this be a good choice in your opinion?
I remember the red cbr you used to ride 600cc lol
Buying a new bike. These two are my top choices (along with the XSR900) right now. Leaning a bit MT-10 at the begining of the video (non-SP), thought he MT-09 SP makes this a tough choice... After watching this, it Gets confusing. NOt sure I'd go for the MT-10 SP, maybe buy MT-10 (non SPP) and upgrade suspension to Ohlins?)
Great video chase 😁 MT09 SP all the way 🤘🤪
Well said! I’m going for the MT09 SP (or hopefully the R9 SP if they make it)
As much as I LOVE my ‘21 09, an R9 would have my full interest.
2023/24 if at all
@@Discofpv it would be worth the wait. I'll just ride my K4 SV until then
@kandin least your already riding a good bike ☺️ one of motorcycling greats bike after my own heart 💓
Just to correct you, the MT09 does not have "the same crazy amount of power" as the MT10. What you completely forgot to mention in your 'critique', if I can call it that, is the amazing sound of the MT10's crossplane CP4 engine against the 3 pot drone from the MT09. If all you do is popping wheelies and the like, then that is not very representative of other MT10 owners. Too much chat and not enough about the bikes. From you little poll at the finish, your colleagues clearly have a better appreciation than you do.
I’m with 👇this first comment. Wait for the 10sp….my theory is this…. I 100% agree 09sp over current 10, buuuuuut….that R1 beast of a motor is the ONLY part of the 09 that I’d want from the 10. The triple is sick but that R1 motor is insane. The 10sp is a perfect overall recipe. Hope they bake it right!!!
OC: Patience Grasshopper .... And the grass might jut be greener because you're not over there $#*&ing it up.
Awesome vid.... but one thing I'm surprised with is the SP versions potentially showroom pieces as you say. I thought Yammie riders wouldn't be so into that.... Ducati riders firrrrrr surrrrrrre, but not Yamaha riders who I've always seen as more pragmatic and less pretentious
I truly appreciate all your content. I went with the base MT 09 , and after breaking in my tires today (55 miles) I am sure this is absolutely the bike for me! Keep up the great work and stay safe.
i also got base mt09, just brought it in to my local shop to get my m4 exhaust put on and my first service (1000 miles) im beyond excited to get it back and rip it.
@BruceBuffguy you can't bolt on an exhaust by yourself? My lord
@@brucebuffguy4982 hope you changed the oil at 600 too according to the manual ✊🏻
@@chadrichards8930 i got it tuned, take your negativity somewhere else. angry little man you are
@@tylertv7622 sure did!
How about a XSR10SP?!!
The fact then iv been doing some hard research on both bikes past couple days then you post this. It's a sign I definitely need to get one of these. I have 18 mt07 now love it but changed jobs and have almost all highway riding now
Highway riding? Wouldn't another naked be relatively similar on the highway?
Get a faired bike, R7, Tracer 09, Ninja 650/1000 (probably not the ZX), or similar.
I own a Ninja 250 and an FZ07. The 250 is generally my preferred bike for the highway. A Ninja 400 would probably be a decent choice to, and probably get you a bit of gas savings over a naked 700/900/1000.
@The Wired Fox mostly for having lower rpms and the cruise control. The wind doesn't bother me. it's screaming at 6000rpm the whole time is what bothers me. And even though they weigh practically the same its still a bigger bike. I know I can change gearing but overall I want more power.
Have you done a vid on mt-10 sp yet
OC crew: I’d wait for the MT10sp, and see if it’s better than the MT09sp. Unless it’s going to be a long time before that bike comes out, then I’d go for the MT09sp 😁
why wouldnt you wait and compare? I love my 09sp its my 2nd bike and it is a finisher bike. I have put 1450 miles on it in 1 month as a commuter and plan to continue to do so.
OC Do you think you will ever get to first ride on an BMW s1000rr You have said that the new Ducatis have the best TFT dashes but the BMWs have new ones that are great it would be cool to see your thoughts 😁