Could never wear a salomon shoe due to having wide feet but watching y'alls reviews is always a treat. Just recently got back from a trip to Japan and man, all the trail runners out there love Topos or really anything with a very minimal stack. It was really different from preferences in the US.
I have always been super fascinated with the footwear trends of Japan. Always been much more minimal. I remember a decade ago when I was still racing track, the trainers over there were US racing flats and there were almost no American sized trainers over there
@@ConversationalPace Yea, I noticed most of the shoes runners were wearing were either very low stack (one store said their most popular shoe only had an 18mm/24mm stack height) or heigher stack shoes but the foam was very firm like the Asics S4. I bought a pair of Asics S4s there and have done a few runs in them. They are fast but definitely different than the most popular shoes here.
Salomon speedcross 6 and speedcross assault are available in wide. I have several variants of the XA models in standard and wide. I definitely prefer the wide. I prefer wide in the X-Ultra line up as well. I wear a 11.5 wide in Salomon’s, just tried a 12.5 regular width in the speedcross 6, I probably could have got away with just a 12 after a little break in on the upper to stretch a fuzz. My biggest complaint/the reason I boxed them up before even putting the second shoe on, was the tongue was much shorter. I struggled getting my foot in with the tongue pushing down-almost turning/twisting. I let all the slack out for plenty of room to insert foot and it was a disaster. Maybe after a few times wearing them out would have been easier but it was such a hassle, I didn’t even want to wrestle with them a few times till they broke in. Salomon’s warranty is solid and replacement was a breeze and very speedy!! I’ve tried many brands and styles, I always come back to my trusty Salomon’s. The speed laces got me hooked like a fat boy and came.
@@Hoss007 I spoke too soon! Kept seeing so many good reviews on the genesis, I got curious. I tried them on at REI and they fit my foot. The toebox is snug but otherwise it is just wide enough to fit my foot. I am going to go on a long run with them this weekend and see how they are!
@@ConversationalPace I spoke too soon! Kept seeing so many good reviews on the genesis, I got curious. I tried them on at REI and they fit my foot. The toebox is snug but otherwise it is just wide enough to fit my foot. I am going to go on a long run with them this weekend and see how they are!
Yes to Finn’s list! And, not to be “off topic, but you all should check out the new Hierro. Not ever been a fan but this new one is bouncy! Short list for sleeper shoe of the year.
Been looking forward to this one! My current trailshoe of the year as a Jack of all trades daily. It’s interesting how much regions and conditions can sway opinions of a shoe though. Here in NH , I feel it may be alittle too soft/high stack for white mountain races , so for race days here I’m looking at the VJ Maxx 2 or Kjerag for more grip and response.
It's amazing how much the terrain you train on affects how these shoes feel. Also wild how You're on terrain too technical for the Genesis! 😂 My ankles hurt just thinking about that
I have heard of the shoe, but I have never actually seen one in person. It looks like (if it is actually comfortable) it is about the best value trail shoe out there, especially with that Matryx upper!
I do really like the way the Ultra Glide feels underfoot. The dang ankle collar bugged my ankle for some reason, which was a huge bummer. Now if the Ultra Glide had this Genesis upper 👌
@@ConversationalPace if we’re Franken-shoeing them together for a new model or making an ultra glide 3 I’m all for it! UG2 surprises me a little bit every time I put it on
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I think Salomon should up their game with outsole rubber. They just aren't on the same level with Vibram, Continental, VJ, Inov-8 and asics. My ideal Salomon shoe would have narrow sole especially at the heel, room for straight big toe but otherwise narrow last, no extra room for bunions, ~5mm drop with slight rocker(not as extreme at heel & midfoot as slab pulsar), 20/25mm stack, one piece matryx upper with proper water drainage, no removable insole, anti-debris collar, quick laces with 5 pairs of eyelets, no rigid heel counter, pull tabs at the heel and lace pocket, velvety anti slip materials inside, directional 5mm+ lugs, and proper rubber. S/lab pulsar 2 upper is ideal around the heel!
haha I love such a specific list! I don't think such shoe exists. Seems like it would have bits of Nnormal Kjerag with a pulsar knit, chunkier outsole, and a more squared off toe box. That shoe would be rad!
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@@ConversationalPace I doubt there will never be a perfect shoe for me. Luckily there are plenty of good options available anyways🏃♂️🤸♂️
Would much appreciate a full review of the S/LAB Ultra (Francois D'Haene shoe :D), I have only ever used Salomons, they work really well for me and I have v narrow feet. Just bought Kerags based on your vid but was also thinking about the Ultra :D Thank you for all of these, super informative :) :)
I wanted to love this shoe sooo much, even got a raffle win where i could buy it in discount but my midfoot just couldn’t fit in the shoe. The too box was surprisingly wide for salamon. I guess i waiting for the altra forward wild or new wide speedgoat 6. Keep up guys, love your work from Hungary!
Yeah, I’ve been saying the same thing about with Solomon for a long time when they came out with the ultra glide. I really thought they were going to discontinue the ride back then cause there’s not that much of a difference for drive ride I think it lasted longer, and I had the S lab polar Trail soft ground, and it was just so narrow from my feet that it was like the narrow slab I’ve been in that After 20 miles my feet were aching. I did a 50 K in it and it’s kind of wrote in a letter of my suggestions just a little bit wider and the new one came out and they had a Solomon. They are running store and I want to put it on it’s even tighter, so maybe I’ll look at soccer exodus ultra and more comfortable more fun but I might look at this as long as my toes have some ability
Matryx is really good. If only it had a tiny little give. Had to send back my tectonic x2 as they were just to narrow for me without that smidge of give.
One of the reviews I was waiting for, so must get this shoe before our week in the alps this summer! Will you be doing the Terrex Agravic speed? (So the non ultra, the black one)
Genesis would be a great shoe for a week in the alps! We're definitely planning to do a full review and probably also a comparison video with the Agravic Speed as soon as we get it in 👍
Definitely prefer this shoe for mountains and go with tecton x2 on runnable buffed trails when it's dry. Norda 001 on less technical training runs when it is muddy. Very keen to try MTL long sky 2 matryx
I fear for the life of the Sense Ride. I think the 5 was a big comeback after a couple subpar editions. Love the latest version but hasn't got an update in 2 years I think, does make you wonder if it's on the chopping block. And yes to a gear preview and check-in post-race!
I don't think I've run in the Sense Ride since the 2. I ran the Lake Sonoma 50 mile in it and it was fantastic! I did enjoy how flexible it was, which is something that this Genesis does lack
@@ConversationalPace 3 and 4 were clunkers to me. 5 is a great blend of flex, protection, responsiveness. Just enough cushion. Hopefully sticks around if Genesis doesn't offer the flexibility
Have you seen the Dynafit Ultra DNA? 001 midsole feel, lacing similar to Genesis(salmon style but more complicated). Fit is kinda wonky but if it does fit, your good to go on race day I think. I’m only 2 runs in, but it’s been a real interesting shoe for sure.
@@ConversationalPace additional thoughts: maybe order 1/2 size up. (I had to) . Toe box is kinda tight height wise, socks could make or break the experience.
They tuned that one super soft and responsive, which definitely took a big hit on durability. Especially with how little of it they used. It sure is light though 😅
I'm surprised you guys don't typically really talk about the drop, seems you don't have a preference. I don't like high drop shoes which to me is 8mm and up. So I would actually prefer an Ultra Glide 2 which has a 6mm over something like a Genesis with an 8mm drop. I hope the Ultra Glide won't get discontinued.
It's true we don't being up drop too often (not never though), as I've always felt the drop affects me less when I'm running on the trail, since the ground underfoot is so variable.
In extremely unrelated news, pretty sure Jelly Roll was wearing a pair of Tecton X2s during his appearance on Adam Ray's Dr Phil live show. Just another of those random trail shoe/celeb crossovers. I just felt I needed to tell someone this and Conversational Pace just felt like the only place someone might care...
See now that makes way more sense than Rhianna wearing red Salomon's at the super bowl half time show a few seasons ago! High cushion, carbon plate, and vibram outsole makes sense to me! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Is there a S/lab Genesis 2 around the corner?? I really think this would be a great long/technical hike shoe for me. And I want that "innersock" thingy
@@ConversationalPace seems weird that nothing is announced since it is slowly becoming an "old shoe" and is is out of stock in many places You got me back on,looking at Salomon, had the speedcross a 100 years ago and it was so slippery on on wet surfaces.. 100 percent Bambi on ice. Never taken salmon serious again, combined with other stupid narrow shoes, but the S/lab genesis seems super interesting in a way that doesn't overlap at all with my rotations
as a true Kjerag devotee, i've been considering getting these for those days when my feet don't want to be made of steel. in Salomon's the upper is what always was first to go for me. so yay to Matryx. would you say it's a good alter-ego for Kjerag's? also, i'm superficial so i care about looks. to me it seems that Salomon's overall shoe design (colorways) changed a lot in the last 1-2 years? i know it's very subjective. thanks!
I have two problems with the Kjerag: Non-gusseted tongue and loose ankle collar that let in dirt and gravel *regardless* of whether a gaiter is used -- this is unforgiveable on my terrain; the forefoot is too narrow right across the metatarsal heads, so a bit of swelling or steep downhills means compression pain.
I think this Genesis could be a nice compliment to the Kjerag. Definitely a bit more shoe underneath with more stiffness and support in the regard that your foot doesn't have to work as much.
@verde-bj2mx i have the Kjerag and Ultra Glide combo and it works pretty well. Sounds like the Ultra glide is a bit softer than the Genesis which is prefect for those recovery days / longer miles.
@@ConversationalPace thanks! i do sometimes want to have a bit more 'help' but i don't do well with big shoes. so maybe it's a good option. anyway thanks!
@@ConversationalPace That said... uh, I bought this with some REI discount dividend points and this thing is amazing. Just did a 21 miler, out of the box, and even with my pretty wide forefoot, amazing (and I was wearing toe socks, too!) . Does everything well with no bells or whistles. But this shoes can hunt.... cheers!
@@ConversationalPace Ok, shameless endorsement of the conversational pace otherwise known as the “ragazzi conversazionale”. I bought the Salomon Genesis after this review and bought them in goretex in preparation of rainy seasonal runs. Very solid and handsome looking shoe. My first pair of Salomons. This is the second pair i buy influenced by the conversazione. The other one was the wildhorse. Both great purchases. Thanks again!!!
I came here to mention this exact shoe. As a fan of La Sportiva, I'm hoping the Prodigio will be that softer shoe with their mountain running fit I've been wishing for
Hopefully we'll have a more conclusive answer here soon with a bit more running. I'm definitely hopeful that the Prodigio is the slightly softer mountain fit trail shoe of our dreams 😅
Agravic speed is lighter and softer. This Genesis is firmer and more protective. I'd be more confident with the Genesis on more technical terrain, and prefer the Agravic Speed on more mellow, faster terrain 👍
Why not take the trabucco max 2/3 ?? The easiest shoe to forget, but if I needed to choose one shoe to be on for many hours, all terrain then it is that shoe. How does this beat the TM?
I think that I (Brett) liked the Trabuco Max much more than Finn. Not that Finn disliked it, but he's had a few shoes that he would prefer from a fit standpoint over the Trabuco Max.
@@ConversationalPace You (Brett) made a genius remark in the TM2 review. The insole is not crap (as I thought and replaced it with others), it is awesome. It makes a huge difference controlling the shoe. Try it in the Agravic ultra.. A 2x better shoe with the TM2 insole (take the old crap out first)
Little late on this video, but how would this compare to the Hoka Mafate Speed 4? That is my do it all shoe and just works for my foot. I started out with Salomon but always twisted my ankles because of the firmer midsoles and "harder" rubber under foot. I'm out here in AZ on some rocky technical terrain. Eyeing this shoe for the durability and hoping things softened up a bit in these past few years?
This Genesis is still pretty firm, especially compared to the Mafate Speed 4. I would say that the foams or at least the shape of more recent Salomon shoes have gotten better, but it would still feel pretty harsh when compared to something like the Mafate
@@ConversationalPace thank you! Can't find Mafate locally so was trying out other shoes. Landed on the Zegama 2s! Even with the stack height the shoe felt pretty stable! So I ordered it! Tried the Genesis on and while I always love the one to one fit of Salomon shoes, they do still run narrow and the firmness is still there. Do you have a shoe that matches up with the mafate speed 4s in mind? It's proving hard to find!
@@sdotkerlin mafate is a pretty unique shoe for sure. The new Speedgoat 6 has gotten more mountain ready. I've heard good things about the new Saucony Exodus, but we haven't gotten to try it out yet. I think that Zegama 2 is going to be a great shoe for you!
@@ConversationalPace I'm mad at hoka for ruining the speedgoat and messing with the softness of the midsole 😤. I'm looking at the Saucony Exodus ultra 3. Appreciate your responses!
Loving the TM2 / Caldera 7, Liking the Speedland GS, hating the cascadia, hating the lack of grip of the Saucony Edge.. will I like this? My goal is to keep my rotation interesting..
Hmm if you are loving the TM2 and Caldera, idk if you'll love this one. It feels like a more refined Cascadia to me in that it's firmer and has solid protection, but is a little smoother to run in than the Cascadia and I like the upper more. With that being said, I do feel like this shoe overlaps with the Cascadia more than any other shoe that you listed.
@@ConversationalPace Ow boy.. I saw 93% on runrepeat, and FInn's praise thought it couldn't hurt at 130 something.. I'm mostly thinking of them as hiking shoes, my plus trailrunning shoes are a bit on the soft side at slow pace. Cascadia is about the most awful trailrunning shoe I ever have worn.. Speedgoat is at the bottom as well,c completely dead like listening to music when you ears haven't adjusted to elevation change..
It sounds like the shoes that agree with you are the higher stack shoes that have a little more responsive feeling midsole instead of pure mush. A shoe that fits that build is the North Face Altamesa 500
@@ConversationalPace Never taking Noth Face seriously. thx for the tip!! Will take a deep look at them. The Salomins will be delivered this week, and so will the NB SC elite V4 which I am really looking forward to receive. But one cant have too many trail shoes..
it a market strategy - often used by Chinese companies rebranding the very same product with different names and look/color and sell them along with the original one - --> when you have 15 pairs of shoes on a store shelf, if 10 pairs are yours while only 5 are from the competitors, you increment your chances to be purchased ^^!
Tried this in store and the toe box was really low and pressing down on my big toenails. Length and width was good. Is a low toebox typical of salomon? Purchased a pair of VJ maxx 2s instead
Many Salomon's I've worn have a pretty low volume toe box. This one even a bit more so than others I've worn. I imagine going to a thinner insole would free up some space because the one that comes with the shoe is on the thicker side. With that being said, the VJ Maxx 2 is a fantastic choice!
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@@ConversationalPace VJ maxx 2! A shoe to be considered for a review. I just ordered a pair (actually 2 pairs to get the sizing right 😃)
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What size maxx2 did you get and what size do you usually wear?
We've got the Vj maxx 2 in studio and is in line for review! I was sent a 10 for that, which feels correct and 10 is my regular size. I think this is the first VJ shoe that didn't have super wonky sizing
I think one of the biggest reasons is the $150 price tag vs $200 for the s/lab Genesis. Whether one get's $50 worth of performance upgrades in the s/lab is going to come down to if the slight weight decrease, more secure ankle collar, and slightly softer midsole are worth it. For most, I'm not sure the $50 dollars extra is justified
The manufacturer recommendation is to go larger than your foot, and for trail, even a bit more, so I feel like the 10US would be better. Do you have any other trail shoes and sizes that you have worn to compare?
Think I’m on the slab side of the equation. Reg version did nothing for me, slab is worth an extra 50 bucks for long days in the alpine. One could argue tho, train in regular, reserve slab for those “special” days up high. The midsole, lighter on feet and general flexibility of shoe I prefer more.
I think I would have to agree with you on this as well. Plus I want to really enjoy a shoe that I'm taking on longer days and for me, the s/lab midsole is just a bit softer and more comfortable
Yeah this and the Prodigio definitely overlap a bunch. I have only run in the Prodigio once so far, but the midsole foam feels a bit softer and has more spring to it
Not great, in all honesty. It's a very medium sized toe box in terms of width, but the overall volume is on the lower side which can make it feel even more scrunched
@@ConversationalPace yeah Im stuggling to find something I really liked the lone peaks but they don’t have enough cushion for my size I can put 30 miles on them but my feet definitely are hurting afterwards.
@@barrick4807from first hand experience, I found the adidas terrex speed and speed ultra to have an accommodating / semi foot shaped toe box if you get the sizing right. Topo mtn racer 3 or ultraventure 3 aren’t the best looking but may be other options to consider.
Great conversation. I am big fan of the Sense Ride saga since its first version and also I got Ultra Glide (I loved it). I was questioning myself if I should get the Genesis. Having Sense Ride for daily training, Glide for recovery / slow-long runs, Genesis for racing and various adventures. Seems like a good combo. Or just have all in one with Genesis :D
Haha I am definitely not one to use one show for everything. I much prefer a quiver of shoes like you've got, but mostly so I can keep trying new things out 😅. It's true with what you've already got, it's hard to find a space for the Genesis
Our original goal for this video was to do a comparison, but we weren't able to secure s/lab genesis samples 🥲 hopefully as we continue to grow as a channel, the review opportunities will be easier to come by so we can give the people exactly what they want!
And of course I want an episode on Finn’s equipment.
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Well, Boa dial matrix upper on the new The North Face offtrail tr...😂
We've finally hit peak shoe design! 🤣 That's our next review, so stay tuned!
Could never wear a salomon shoe due to having wide feet but watching y'alls reviews is always a treat. Just recently got back from a trip to Japan and man, all the trail runners out there love Topos or really anything with a very minimal stack. It was really different from preferences in the US.
I have always been super fascinated with the footwear trends of Japan. Always been much more minimal. I remember a decade ago when I was still racing track, the trainers over there were US racing flats and there were almost no American sized trainers over there
@@ConversationalPace Yea, I noticed most of the shoes runners were wearing were either very low stack (one store said their most popular shoe only had an 18mm/24mm stack height) or heigher stack shoes but the foam was very firm like the Asics S4. I bought a pair of Asics S4s there and have done a few runs in them. They are fast but definitely different than the most popular shoes here.
Salomon speedcross 6 and speedcross assault are available in wide. I have several variants of the XA models in standard and wide. I definitely prefer the wide. I prefer wide in the X-Ultra line up as well. I wear a 11.5 wide in Salomon’s, just tried a 12.5 regular width in the speedcross 6, I probably could have got away with just a 12 after a little break in on the upper to stretch a fuzz. My biggest complaint/the reason I boxed them up before even putting the second shoe on, was the tongue was much shorter. I struggled getting my foot in with the tongue pushing down-almost turning/twisting. I let all the slack out for plenty of room to insert foot and it was a disaster. Maybe after a few times wearing them out would have been easier but it was such a hassle, I didn’t even want to wrestle with them a few times till they broke in. Salomon’s warranty is solid and replacement was a breeze and very speedy!! I’ve tried many brands and styles, I always come back to my trusty Salomon’s. The speed laces got me hooked like a fat boy and came.
@@Hoss007 I spoke too soon! Kept seeing so many good reviews on the genesis, I got curious. I tried them on at REI and they fit my foot. The toebox is snug but otherwise it is just wide enough to fit my foot. I am going to go on a long run with them this weekend and see how they are!
@@ConversationalPace I spoke too soon! Kept seeing so many good reviews on the genesis, I got curious. I tried them on at REI and they fit my foot. The toebox is snug but otherwise it is just wide enough to fit my foot. I am going to go on a long run with them this weekend and see how they are!
Puffy Jackets and Hoodies are a game changer, enjoy the comfort and coziness in the house. 🤙🏽
Yes to Finn’s list! And, not to be “off topic, but you all should check out the new Hierro. Not ever been a fan but this new one is bouncy! Short list for sleeper shoe of the year.
Noted about the new Hierro! I haven't loved past versions due to how blocky it's been but all it takes is some bouncy foam for all to be forgiven 😂
All questions answered, thank you very much 😊
Thanks for watching!
Fingers crossed the ultra 3 never goes away, love the feel of that shoe, and yes, would love a cocodono gear rundown
Yes a gear run down would rock!
Yes to a Finn's Cocodona gear video!
I think the Nnormal Tomir 2.0 is very similar as well, maybe a bit wider, are you testing that one as well?
We're just starting to log miles on the Tomir 2.0 now! That one is coming up after the Altra Mont Blanc Carbon
Hard same on wearing jackets inside. Every zoom call I'm on starts with being asked "is it cold there?"
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Been looking forward to this one! My current trailshoe of the year as a Jack of all trades daily. It’s interesting how much regions and conditions can sway opinions of a shoe though. Here in NH , I feel it may be alittle too soft/high stack for white mountain races , so for race days here I’m looking at the VJ Maxx 2 or Kjerag for more grip and response.
It's amazing how much the terrain you train on affects how these shoes feel. Also wild how You're on terrain too technical for the Genesis! 😂 My ankles hurt just thinking about that
Yes on the episode on Finn’s gear
Hey guys, nice review, thanks. Have you heard about Evadict MT Cushion 2 (Decathlon) ? What are your thoughts on them ?
I have heard of the shoe, but I have never actually seen one in person. It looks like (if it is actually comfortable) it is about the best value trail shoe out there, especially with that Matryx upper!
Cocodona Gear loadout is a must!
Don’t touch my Ultra Glides Salomon! The perfect plush compliment to my Nordas, IMO
I do really like the way the Ultra Glide feels underfoot. The dang ankle collar bugged my ankle for some reason, which was a huge bummer. Now if the Ultra Glide had this Genesis upper 👌
@@ConversationalPace if we’re Franken-shoeing them together for a new model or making an ultra glide 3 I’m all for it! UG2 surprises me a little bit every time I put it on
I think Salomon should up their game with outsole rubber. They just aren't on the same level with Vibram, Continental, VJ, Inov-8 and asics.
My ideal Salomon shoe would have narrow sole especially at the heel, room for straight big toe but otherwise narrow last, no extra room for bunions, ~5mm drop with slight rocker(not as extreme at heel & midfoot as slab pulsar), 20/25mm stack, one piece matryx upper with proper water drainage, no removable insole, anti-debris collar, quick laces with 5 pairs of eyelets, no rigid heel counter, pull tabs at the heel and lace pocket, velvety anti slip materials inside, directional 5mm+ lugs, and proper rubber. S/lab pulsar 2 upper is ideal around the heel!
haha I love such a specific list! I don't think such shoe exists. Seems like it would have bits of Nnormal Kjerag with a pulsar knit, chunkier outsole, and a more squared off toe box. That shoe would be rad!
@@ConversationalPace I doubt there will never be a perfect shoe for me. Luckily there are plenty of good options available anyways🏃♂️🤸♂️
Yeah , show us Finns Cocadona gear. I think it would be awesome if you guys reviewed vests, waist belts ect…. Keep up the great vids. Thanks 👊🏻
Hopefully expanding the shoe reviews to more gear is something we are able to do in the future!
Would much appreciate a full review of the S/LAB Ultra (Francois D'Haene shoe :D), I have only ever used Salomons, they work really well for me and I have v narrow feet. Just bought Kerags based on your vid but was also thinking about the Ultra :D Thank you for all of these, super informative :) :)
We'd definitely love to do a full review of the Francois shoe if we get the chance!
I wanted to love this shoe sooo much, even got a raffle win where i could buy it in discount but my midfoot just couldn’t fit in the shoe. The too box was surprisingly wide for salamon. I guess i waiting for the altra forward wild or new wide speedgoat 6. Keep up guys, love your work from Hungary!
Thanks for watching! Bummer the midfoot was too tight. I'm excited to try that FWD Wild as well!
Yeah, I’ve been saying the same thing about with Solomon for a long time when they came out with the ultra glide. I really thought they were going to discontinue the ride back then cause there’s not that much of a difference for drive ride I think it lasted longer, and I had the S lab polar Trail soft ground, and it was just so narrow from my feet that it was like the narrow slab I’ve been in that After 20 miles my feet were aching. I did a 50 K in it and it’s kind of wrote in a letter of my suggestions just a little bit wider and the new one came out and they had a Solomon. They are running store and I want to put it on it’s even tighter, so maybe I’ll look at soccer exodus ultra and more comfortable more fun but I might look at this as long as my toes have some ability
Yeah I think looking elsewhere for more width in the forefoot is the way to go. Definitely recommend trying out that Exodus Ultra!
Matryx is really good. If only it had a tiny little give. Had to send back my tectonic x2 as they were just to narrow for me without that smidge of give.
That is a good point. If it doesn't feel great right out of the box, the fit isn't going to change much, which could be a negative
One of the reviews I was waiting for, so must get this shoe before our week in the alps this summer! Will you be doing the Terrex Agravic speed? (So the non ultra, the black one)
Genesis would be a great shoe for a week in the alps! We're definitely planning to do a full review and probably also a comparison video with the Agravic Speed as soon as we get it in 👍
Definitely prefer this shoe for mountains and go with tecton x2 on runnable buffed trails when it's dry. Norda 001 on less technical training runs when it is muddy.
Very keen to try MTL long sky 2 matryx
That's a great lineup of shoes! I agree, I think I would be using this Genesis a lot more if I ran more mountainous terrain
I fear for the life of the Sense Ride. I think the 5 was a big comeback after a couple subpar editions. Love the latest version but hasn't got an update in 2 years I think, does make you wonder if it's on the chopping block.
And yes to a gear preview and check-in post-race!
I don't think I've run in the Sense Ride since the 2. I ran the Lake Sonoma 50 mile in it and it was fantastic! I did enjoy how flexible it was, which is something that this Genesis does lack
@@ConversationalPace 3 and 4 were clunkers to me. 5 is a great blend of flex, protection, responsiveness. Just enough cushion. Hopefully sticks around if Genesis doesn't offer the flexibility
Great review! Thanks a lot!
Have you seen the Dynafit Ultra DNA? 001 midsole feel, lacing similar to Genesis(salmon style but more complicated). Fit is kinda wonky but if it does fit, your good to go on race day I think. I’m only 2 runs in, but it’s been a real interesting shoe for sure.
I'll have to check it out! That midsole and upper comparison would be a dynamite combo!
@@ConversationalPace additional thoughts: maybe order 1/2 size up. (I had to) . Toe box is kinda tight height wise, socks could make or break the experience.
Energy foam is EVA/OBC blend. It's the most durable foam i've used on par with Boost/Pwrrun + TPU foams...
The durometer of Energy Foam that they're using in this Genesis is going to last quite some time!
"Energy foam" found on slab pulsar flattens out prematurely though ☹️
They tuned that one super soft and responsive, which definitely took a big hit on durability. Especially with how little of it they used. It sure is light though 😅
I'm surprised you guys don't typically really talk about the drop, seems you don't have a preference. I don't like high drop shoes which to me is 8mm and up. So I would actually prefer an Ultra Glide 2 which has a 6mm over something like a Genesis with an 8mm drop. I hope the Ultra Glide won't get discontinued.
It's true we don't being up drop too often (not never though), as I've always felt the drop affects me less when I'm running on the trail, since the ground underfoot is so variable.
High rocker also kinda acts like high drop.
In extremely unrelated news, pretty sure Jelly Roll was wearing a pair of Tecton X2s during his appearance on Adam Ray's Dr Phil live show. Just another of those random trail shoe/celeb crossovers. I just felt I needed to tell someone this and Conversational Pace just felt like the only place someone might care...
See now that makes way more sense than Rhianna wearing red Salomon's at the super bowl half time show a few seasons ago! High cushion, carbon plate, and vibram outsole makes sense to me! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Is there a S/lab Genesis 2 around the corner??
I really think this would be a great long/technical hike shoe for me. And I want that "innersock" thingy
I got the TOMIR 2 on the way, which might be sufficient ;-)
Haven't gotten any inkling of a release date for Genesis 2 yet. I have definitely been asking, and will continue to bug Salomon about it!
@@ConversationalPace seems weird that nothing is announced since it is slowly becoming an "old shoe" and is is out of stock in many places
You got me back on,looking at Salomon, had the speedcross a 100 years ago and it was so slippery on on wet surfaces.. 100 percent Bambi on ice.
Never taken salmon serious again, combined with other stupid narrow shoes, but the S/lab genesis seems super interesting in a way that doesn't overlap at all with my rotations
as a true Kjerag devotee, i've been considering getting these for those days when my feet don't want to be made of steel. in Salomon's the upper is what always was first to go for me. so yay to Matryx. would you say it's a good alter-ego for Kjerag's?
also, i'm superficial so i care about looks. to me it seems that Salomon's overall shoe design (colorways) changed a lot in the last 1-2 years? i know it's very subjective. thanks!
I have two problems with the Kjerag: Non-gusseted tongue and loose ankle collar that let in dirt and gravel *regardless* of whether a gaiter is used -- this is unforgiveable on my terrain; the forefoot is too narrow right across the metatarsal heads, so a bit of swelling or steep downhills means compression pain.
I think this Genesis could be a nice compliment to the Kjerag. Definitely a bit more shoe underneath with more stiffness and support in the regard that your foot doesn't have to work as much.
@verde-bj2mx i have the Kjerag and Ultra Glide combo and it works pretty well. Sounds like the Ultra glide is a bit softer than the Genesis which is prefect for those recovery days / longer miles.
Yeah I would agree that the ultra glide feels softer than the Genesis
@@ConversationalPace thanks! i do sometimes want to have a bit more 'help' but i don't do well with big shoes. so maybe it's a good option. anyway thanks!
Flood the market, see what sells and sticks (?) - Salomon (Oh, and great review, as usual!)
it really seems that is their tactic! Same with the roads too with all their new releases this year
@@ConversationalPace That said... uh, I bought this with some REI discount dividend points and this thing is amazing. Just did a 21 miler, out of the box, and even with my pretty wide forefoot, amazing (and I was wearing toe socks, too!)
. Does everything well with no bells or whistles. But this shoes can hunt.... cheers!
Great use of those dividend points!
Conversational experts! Question: i am looking into rain weather gear and i see this shoes are offered in Gore-Tex. Have you tried them?
We haven't tried them in Gore-tex yet
@@ConversationalPace Ok, shameless endorsement of the conversational pace otherwise known as the “ragazzi conversazionale”. I bought the Salomon Genesis after this review and bought them in goretex in preparation of rainy seasonal runs. Very solid and handsome looking shoe. My first pair of Salomons. This is the second pair i buy influenced by the conversazione. The other one was the wildhorse. Both great purchases. Thanks again!!!
@@guitarraclasica Stoked they all worked out for you! Love the name btw 😂
La sportiva prodigio as closest competitor for terrain, distance, and price ($155)?
Oh yeah you're totally right, the Prodigio should absolutely be in this equation! Hoping to get a full review in for that one this spring as well
I came here to mention this exact shoe. As a fan of La Sportiva, I'm hoping the Prodigio will be that softer shoe with their mountain running fit I've been wishing for
Hopefully we'll have a more conclusive answer here soon with a bit more running. I'm definitely hopeful that the Prodigio is the slightly softer mountain fit trail shoe of our dreams 😅
How does this compare to the Agravic Speed? Which would be best for running and also hiking
Agravic speed is lighter and softer. This Genesis is firmer and more protective. I'd be more confident with the Genesis on more technical terrain, and prefer the Agravic Speed on more mellow, faster terrain 👍
Why not take the trabucco max 2/3 ??
The easiest shoe to forget, but if I needed to choose one shoe to be on for many hours, all terrain then it is that shoe. How does this beat the TM?
I think that I (Brett) liked the Trabuco Max much more than Finn. Not that Finn disliked it, but he's had a few shoes that he would prefer from a fit standpoint over the Trabuco Max.
@@ConversationalPace You (Brett) made a genius remark in the TM2 review. The insole is not crap (as I thought and replaced it with others), it is awesome. It makes a huge difference controlling the shoe.
Try it in the Agravic ultra.. A 2x better shoe with the TM2 insole (take the old crap out first)
Little late on this video, but how would this compare to the Hoka Mafate Speed 4? That is my do it all shoe and just works for my foot. I started out with Salomon but always twisted my ankles because of the firmer midsoles and "harder" rubber under foot. I'm out here in AZ on some rocky technical terrain. Eyeing this shoe for the durability and hoping things softened up a bit in these past few years?
This Genesis is still pretty firm, especially compared to the Mafate Speed 4. I would say that the foams or at least the shape of more recent Salomon shoes have gotten better, but it would still feel pretty harsh when compared to something like the Mafate
@@ConversationalPace thank you! Can't find Mafate locally so was trying out other shoes. Landed on the Zegama 2s! Even with the stack height the shoe felt pretty stable! So I ordered it! Tried the Genesis on and while I always love the one to one fit of Salomon shoes, they do still run narrow and the firmness is still there. Do you have a shoe that matches up with the mafate speed 4s in mind? It's proving hard to find!
@@sdotkerlin mafate is a pretty unique shoe for sure. The new Speedgoat 6 has gotten more mountain ready. I've heard good things about the new Saucony Exodus, but we haven't gotten to try it out yet. I think that Zegama 2 is going to be a great shoe for you!
@@ConversationalPace I'm mad at hoka for ruining the speedgoat and messing with the softness of the midsole 😤. I'm looking at the Saucony Exodus ultra 3. Appreciate your responses!
Loving the TM2 / Caldera 7, Liking the Speedland GS, hating the cascadia, hating the lack of grip of the Saucony Edge.. will I like this?
My goal is to keep my rotation interesting..
Hmm if you are loving the TM2 and Caldera, idk if you'll love this one. It feels like a more refined Cascadia to me in that it's firmer and has solid protection, but is a little smoother to run in than the Cascadia and I like the upper more. With that being said, I do feel like this shoe overlaps with the Cascadia more than any other shoe that you listed.
@@ConversationalPace Ow boy.. I saw 93% on runrepeat, and FInn's praise thought it couldn't hurt at 130 something..
I'm mostly thinking of them as hiking shoes, my plus trailrunning shoes are a bit on the soft side at slow pace.
Cascadia is about the most awful trailrunning shoe I ever have worn..
Speedgoat is at the bottom as well,c completely dead like listening to music when you ears haven't adjusted to elevation change..
It sounds like the shoes that agree with you are the higher stack shoes that have a little more responsive feeling midsole instead of pure mush. A shoe that fits that build is the North Face Altamesa 500
@@ConversationalPace Never taking Noth Face seriously. thx for the tip!! Will take a deep look at them.
The Salomins will be delivered this week, and so will the NB SC elite V4 which I am really looking forward to receive.
But one cant have too many trail shoes..
YOu did a review and I missed it.. WTF.. am subscribed..
£650 million of shoe sells for Salomon last year. They appear to be doing rather well with their confusing range.
Yeah while confusing, if they're all selling well, then I can't fault them for that!
it a market strategy - often used by Chinese companies rebranding the very same product with different names and look/color and sell them along with the original one - --> when you have 15 pairs of shoes on a store shelf, if 10 pairs are yours while only 5 are from the competitors, you increment your chances to be purchased ^^!
Tried this in store and the toe box was really low and pressing down on my big toenails. Length and width was good. Is a low toebox typical of salomon?
Purchased a pair of VJ maxx 2s instead
Many Salomon's I've worn have a pretty low volume toe box. This one even a bit more so than others I've worn. I imagine going to a thinner insole would free up some space because the one that comes with the shoe is on the thicker side. With that being said, the VJ Maxx 2 is a fantastic choice!
@@ConversationalPace VJ maxx 2! A shoe to be considered for a review. I just ordered a pair (actually 2 pairs to get the sizing right 😃)
What size maxx2 did you get and what size do you usually wear?
@ I got them in a uk 10.5 I usually wear 10.5 or 11 in most trail shoes. The genesis I tried were size 11.
We've got the Vj maxx 2 in studio and is in line for review! I was sent a 10 for that, which feels correct and 10 is my regular size. I think this is the first VJ shoe that didn't have super wonky sizing
Why would you choose the genisis over the s/lab genesis?
I think one of the biggest reasons is the $150 price tag vs $200 for the s/lab Genesis. Whether one get's $50 worth of performance upgrades in the s/lab is going to come down to if the slight weight decrease, more secure ankle collar, and slightly softer midsole are worth it. For most, I'm not sure the $50 dollars extra is justified
On fit: i went 1/2size down in Slab Genesis. Are you saying regular Genesis fits smaller, so get regular size?
The Regular Genesis seemed to fit me the same as the S/lab Genesis from a length standpoint
What size should I take. My foot is 27 cm long and about 10.5 cm wide. Should I get 9.5US(27.5cm) or 10US(28cm)?
The manufacturer recommendation is to go larger than your foot, and for trail, even a bit more, so I feel like the 10US would be better. Do you have any other trail shoes and sizes that you have worn to compare?
Think I’m on the slab side of the equation. Reg version did nothing for me, slab is worth an extra 50 bucks for long days in the alpine. One could argue tho, train in regular, reserve slab for those “special” days up high. The midsole, lighter on feet and general flexibility of shoe I prefer more.
I think I would have to agree with you on this as well. Plus I want to really enjoy a shoe that I'm taking on longer days and for me, the s/lab midsole is just a bit softer and more comfortable
@@ConversationalPace yep
I wore a hole through the Matryx upper of my Evo's at the pinky toe, but they have 800 miles on them, so...
That's a pretty solid amount of miles 😅 but also impressive a hole got worn in them regardless!
Sportiva prodigio comp?
Yeah this and the Prodigio definitely overlap a bunch. I have only run in the Prodigio once so far, but the midsole foam feels a bit softer and has more spring to it
Merrell long sky 2?
Definitely another shoe that would line up against this Genesis. Especially with the Matrix upper and being 'only' $160
@@ConversationalPace I would love to review this one
I mean we got puffy jacket but what about the robot like voice over. Bring it back.
Maybe some day 🤣
How’s the toe box for someone who has really wide toes?
Not great, in all honesty. It's a very medium sized toe box in terms of width, but the overall volume is on the lower side which can make it feel even more scrunched
@@ConversationalPace yeah Im stuggling to find something I really liked the lone peaks but they don’t have enough cushion for my size I can put 30 miles on them but my feet definitely are hurting afterwards.
@@barrick4807from first hand experience, I found the adidas terrex speed and speed ultra to have an accommodating / semi foot shaped toe box if you get the sizing right. Topo mtn racer 3 or ultraventure 3 aren’t the best looking but may be other options to consider.
Definitely great recommendations! The Altra Timp and Olympus could be options as well fitting similar to the LP, but having more shoe underfoot
Great conversation. I am big fan of the Sense Ride saga since its first version and also I got Ultra Glide (I loved it). I was questioning myself if I should get the Genesis. Having Sense Ride for daily training, Glide for recovery / slow-long runs, Genesis for racing and various adventures. Seems like a good combo. Or just have all in one with Genesis :D
Haha I am definitely not one to use one show for everything. I much prefer a quiver of shoes like you've got, but mostly so I can keep trying new things out 😅. It's true with what you've already got, it's hard to find a space for the Genesis
@@ConversationalPace I only have left a pair of Sense Ride 4, which I alternate with Torrent 2. Ride 5 and Ultra Glide 2 are strong candidates :D
Would have loved to see a deep testing of the Slab Genesis which is probably the best trail shoe from Salomon in the last couple of years
Our original goal for this video was to do a comparison, but we weren't able to secure s/lab genesis samples 🥲 hopefully as we continue to grow as a channel, the review opportunities will be easier to come by so we can give the people exactly what they want!
@@ConversationalPace you're already doing an amazing job and im sure it won't take long until brands like @SalomonTV realise that!
Appreciate it!
Arghhh. You’ve switched sides, this is so confusing. The guy rocking the puffer needs to be on the right, the voice over guy needs to be the left.
Haha oh whoa I didn't notice! We used a new recording software for this one, so it must have switched us 😅
hahahaha