While the music being deleted is sadly not true, there is something else about the music which is in my opinion even funnier: Apparently, the music had to be removed due to "legal reasons" and Bioware decided that the only logical thing to do was to steal music from Sonic Fansites. But they even fucked up that and because of time constraints they didn't manage to make some percussion instruments actually play.
There's a bit more to the "time constraints" thing. This game was in development while EA was buying BioWare, and EA essentially told BioWare, "I know you're contracted by Sega to make this Sonic game and so you have to finish it, but if you don't get this thing out the door as soon as possible so we can buy you, we're calling it off." Also, it was more than just the percussion instruments. They messed up converting the MIDI files to work with the DS's sound chip, so there's just instruments missing and other instruments that are supposed to be playing in one soundfont playing in another.
Lawsuits? This is mostly all Sonic 3D Blast music (Both Genesis and Saturn versions) It would of almost been more reasonable to just use the original Sonic 3D songs
Easily the best bad game I've ever played. Also Alpharad completely glossing over how if you play your dialog right you can get a romantic confession from Amy and state bluntly that yes, Dexter was obviously not real.
@@zyriantel9601 Rouge is 18. Amy is 12. She didn't have to, and no real reason to, but her grown self chose to dunk on a preteen in front of her crush just for so. Cruel and unusual, 10/10 would stan again
This game also contains arguably the best "Timmy fell down a well" joke ever written: at one point an NPC asks you to save his son Timmy, who has fallen down a well. You go down the well and discover that 'Timothy' is a grown man who inspects wells for a living.
I completely forgot about this. I played the game when I was like 9 and only remember the one where you have to get a guy newspaper while he's on the toilet.
What's funny is Penders' lawsuit didn't just prevent a sequel. It's a pretty fascinating read, he basically derailed the entire series, forced a giant reboot and caused Sega to create new restrictions and censorship rules.
@@EXFrostand Archie’s incompetence is what eventually led SEGA to just cancel the Archie comics entirely (though I wish they had waited until the then-current four-issue series ended. They were doing the classic games, and they ended it at CD, the third game. Had they done it after 3, they could’ve ended things more neatly.), eventually starting a new series with IDW (which has now been integrated into the main canon). Though I haven’t been hearing a lot of good from IDW lately, so maybe we might get an Archie repeat.
I was about to say, it had all sorts of implications for the games, comics, and TV shows. They did violate the settlement by having echidnas in sonic 2 (movie) though, which is interesting and I hope sega grew balls and continues to do that sort of thing
@@paperluigi6132 There's absolutely no way it will EVER reach Ken Penders level of bullshit. That was a bygone era of amateur artists and fanfic authors being allowed to pilot official sonic storytelling. IDW might get stale or boring or even outright bad. But never to the levels of autistic cringe Ken outputted.
I'm in absolute AWE of Rouge having the ability to "distract enemies with feminine wiles" forget furries, she was some bioware employee's sexual awakening apparently
@@geoffreyprecht2410 blame Nintendo for not giving that franchise the resources to continue. The internet kept that franchise alive. Look up A Fox In Space.
@@manoftruth0935 Has episode 2 of that come out yet? I hung out with the creator at a furry convention years ago and got to fully understand why he takes so long making that show.
@@geoffreyprecht2410 my guess is Nintendo being on his ass. If nintendo isn't careful, Sega can sonic boom right past them again. Pokemon SV caused people to wake up to the problems with Nintendo consoles.
Same bro. I remember the gameplay itself being just good enough for me as a kid (I never really played "good" rpgs) but I actually reaaaaaally dug the plot about the sonic world, the echidna's and Knuckles' journey.
I've played this game in it's entirety and managed to add some +2 ng+ as a kid, i only remember the biggest chunks of the game and i really wonder considering you get no exp whatsoever before reaching the last dungeon lmao litteraly the only thing keeping me in was the power trip i'd get out of stomping on the entire game when i was struggling at first
I was in stream for all the crashes at the beginning, and he didn't mention it, but he bought an entire physical copy just in case it wouldn't work at all
Reminds me of Snapcube's Sonic dubs where Rouge has been in multiple poly relationships (the Babylon rogues, dating sonic who is also with shadow). In that universe, I can imagine team dark being a romantic yet aggressive polycule.
The worst part is that the story actually started with Sonic Battle, which introduced the Gizoids and added some actual intrigue and probably the saddest ending in a Sonic game, which then continued into Sonic Advance 3 with a replica Gizoid being part of the story.
Don't forget that Emerl makes an appearance in Sonic Battle and is effectively a customizable character with the ability to have every character's moveset, which makes him the most broken fighter in that game
@@SevenHickory1 i know what you mean, but i think it's hilarious to say that emerl 'makes an appearance' in his only canon game and the one that he's the main character of, lmao
I'm wondering why G-Mel wasn't with Cream & Cheese...But maybe it was left with her mother, Vanilla? I don't think anything can replace what was Emerl.
@@DarknessXxMaster It’s in canon that he tends to their homestead so most likely. Gemerl definitely gets more attention in the IDW comics and is a cool bro to Cream and Vanilla at least
I'll never not be disappointed by this game. This game had the potential to be Sonic's answer to the Mario & Luigi series, but a combination of unfortunate events coupled with a frivoulous lawsuit that not only killed any hopes this game had for a sequel, but also helped kill off the Archie Sonic comics and the Archie Megaman comics to boot, it really felt like everything that could've gone wrong, did.
It hurts me so damn much that the sonic archie comics and the sonic megaman comics took one hits because of the stupid ass lawsuit like those were EPIC!! I remember being so hyped for the archiecomics and begging my mom to buy them from the grocery store. Like damn,,,,
honestly i feel like a sonic rpg could work too, especially w sega making fun of themselves more often i feel like it could geniunely be a blast if they dont take it too seriously lmao
"Did you know this was made by BioWare, which was founded by two doctors?" I did not Tails, but I'm now reconsidering balancing my humors and bloodletting thanks to that!
15:21 Forcing someone into a Groundhog Day loop in Sonic Chronicles is a bigger threat than forcing someone into real life Groundhog Day Toby Fox had better look out, because this is absolutely one of the RPGs I've ever seen in my life
1. Yes, they did delete the entire soundtrack. The entire soundtrack that is now in the game, took (I believe) 2 days, and was 90% free sound effects. 2. The emulated version crashes sometimes. 3. The Chao are incredibly broken. 4. It is cannon that Rouge can seduce robots. 5. Cream is broken. 6. Feroz is broken. 7. Super Sonic can die. 8. In the final fight, they both actually don't have a health bar, and instead have a hit count. 9. Shadow and Cream make you basically immortal. 10. Omega has the highest potential damage, (except for the final fight). 11. The space islands (other than the final island of the game) are the reason the game wasn't received well, which in turn stopped it's sales because it was really boring, which is the real reason it never got a sequel: because that combined with the Lawsuit, meant they would only lose money if they made a second.
"BioWare (the main creators of Sonic Chronicles) had a full, originally composed soundtrack made for the game. However, before release they had to pull the stage music out for a variety of legal reasons. Under pressure of this, along with time constraints, BioWare took pre-existing MIDI files (a music composition format) of music from earlier Sonic games from different Sonic fan websites, and added them as the Stage music. The Sonic Community has criticized this decision greatly. Time constraints also made them use an unfinished custom soundfont (a variety of instruments in one file). Because of this, some percussion instruments in certain songs are missing. An example of this can be found in the song "Nocturne"." -Sonic Retro
Imagine the emotional toil this ending had for a child playing the game, watching as it suddenly promises to self-restart your save like a directive in a spy movie, and not knowing anyone else who played the game who could possibly grasp the depth of your confusion or confirm that: yes, that really just happened. Thanks for sharing the Sonic Chronicles experience with the rest of your viewers, Alpharad
13:48 The fact this whole attack is so epic and still ends with the fucking stock cartoon sound effect is unbelievably hilarious. Like, imagine if Goku vs Frieza ended like that? Frieza gets cut in half and falls to the ground and you just hear the Nickelodeon splat sound effect?
getting a new alpharad video is always a good kind of scary cause u don’t know if he’s doing a “social experiment” or losing his sanity by playing bad games
Never thought we’d see Alpharad talk about Ken Penders lore on the channel 😆 such an insane rabbit hole. Curious what the sequel would’ve looked like if it wasn’t for the lawsuit.
The best credits of all time, can’t believe the two doctors at bioware got a sudden fear of hedgehogs and will never get close to working with sega again
I played the shit outa that game when I was a kid and the fact there wasn’t a sequel had me in actual tears. After watching this video, my feelings have not changed.
I’m pretty glad this game didn’t get a sequel. The money and time that would need to be poured into something that could top a game of this caliber would be insane, and we’d probably lose the cartoony fucking death sound effects.
Im just glad to see people acknowledge this game's existence for the first time in years. It's not a great game, but I love it. Just hate that Penders killed the sequel
The white echidna from the comic wasn't created by Penders and was based off of another white echidna from the UK comic. The second one has little or no similarities to Shade, it was her sister named Julie-Su who also looks nothing like Shade and is pretty different in character aside from both of them defecting.
As someone who has played this game more than once, the shadow fight in the toxic swamps is optional. If you chose the right dialogue options he will just leave without fighting you.
As someone that has played the new game + portion of this game, I can confirm the following: - you carry over all your gear and experience from playthrough 1 - all your characters will level up to the level they reached previously after just one battle on NG+ - None of the enemies scale in power or HP therefore you will quite literally be able to wipe out everything in one or two hits - No much to everyone's disappointment there is nothing else after beating the game a second time. It just loops again and again and again.
The funniest thing about the Penders Chronicles lawsuit is that he literally has no grounds and SEGA literally just ignored it. And because he already had a lawsuit going out at the time, it was thrown out. Multiple times.
@@clayxros576 I mean Kenders did end up stealing the entire design of Shade’s suit in his own comic, so if anything he’s liable to be sued for copyright infringement lol.
@@Energizedmagpie quite literally the main character of his comic. Who was Knuckles’ love interest in Archie Sonic. Forget her name. Speaking of Knux, he also unlawfully uses the Hat in his comic too.
There's a secret scene where after beating shade. If you have Amy on your team she'll try to break the boulders that shade blocked with and only ended up to get knocked out
The deeper Alpharad dives into the Sonic franchise, the more his mind unravels. I can’t wait for him to try and figure out the comics. That shit is borderline indecipherable
this game could not have been brought to light in any better way than jacob's conflicted journey with it. perfectly conveys what this game feels like to experience
My first rpg game! :D Ah the traumatizing memories of not being able to progress through the game and not knowing how to do the qte's If you progress through this dark souls of a game you get cool lore tho
I thought the circle closing in was a timer and not something I had to time the overlap of and I kept failing the qte's and had no idea why because they're so fast and it throws so many at you
As a kid, I REALLY wanted this game. I used to enjoy replaying it over and over. I even constantly borrowed (and then "kept") the official guidebook from the library. Nowadays, I can only play the first half of this game on a lazy day....
I love how Jacob looked at the game, realised its soundtrack was unbearable, and decided that the only solution was to swap in the best tracks from Xenoblade 2 whenever he could
I played NG+ in this game so many times as a kid, I can’t help but have a big cheesy grin when I see it again. I also remember how excited I was to see a sequel for the game…
Only reason I played the NG+ so many times as a kid is because I was convinced the ending wasn't real! You can imagine my disappointment after the 5th time me trying it 😅
Fun fact: Apart from being a Sonic game with the worst music but also with one of the best stories, it also is the only one Sonic game that drop a clue about what a echidna on super form would look like. IX, the main villain was always on super form cause he was always using the energy from chaos emerald except at the final battle where player has gathered all chaos emerald and the master emerald, so he goes back to the normal echidna form (could do a fight with super sonic due game explains he used the energy of the citadel)
Yeah, same! I have a distinct and fond memory of booting it up on my r4 like on three separate occasions, getting stuck after a while each time, and never playing it again. Man, I love that game. Glad Alpharad played it for me so I don't have to, again :)
4:08 - This is actually a MIDI version of a track from Sonic 3D Blast. Not only did they manage to lost the original soundtrack, what they replaced it with was in part composed of MIDIs presumably downloaded from VGMusic.
What actually happened to the soundtrack is that that the songs were complete, but they forgot to put a bunch of instrument samples in the game, making the songs sound very incomplete. If you convert the soundtrack to midi, you'll see plenty of instruments that are there but aren't actually heard.
RIGHT THERE!!! 11:46. That blue crystal golem looking dude is where I got my username. They are the Zoah. I was stuck on that planet forever because I was a dumb kid and forgot about over world abilities. I grinder away and over leveled on random encounters. Frustrated, I put the game away for a few months to come back and accidentally walk into the final boss room I stomped him to bits and declaimed myself “The King of the Zoah” I have had that same username basically everywhere for years and I am glad it came from one of the sonic games of all time.
Couple things 1. One simple clarification, the city that was destroyed in the prologue was actually eggmans city, they mention that and the city is still completely destroyed when you get to it 2. I unironically love the aesthetics of the Nocturnus Clan, a super technologically advanced race, leech tech that converts enemy life energy into their own personal health restoration, robots that become more dangerous from actual learning combat capabilities, akin to metal Sonic's actually, titles like Imperator and using Roman legionary rankings for their units, and fuck me they deserved so much better and just more in general, speaking as someone who enjoyed the game
7:00 WAIT?! One of the chao you can get, removes the touch screen bullshit? I might be willing to retry playing this game at some point if that's an option.
Sonic 06 was my first 3d Sonic, which is odd because I knew it was a mess and at that point, I could've easily picked Unleashed or Generations. I totally knew what I was getting into and I think it was kind of a valuable experience despite all :D
sonic chronicles was so fire, one of my actual childhood memories, being a sonic fan as a kid and seeing a dark themed rpg was perfect timing for a kid like me
I played this game many years ago, but one of the most hilarious things I discovered about it was that Big the Cat could stun-lock the final boss if you perfected the action command for his fishline attack. Just goes to show how well this game as made, am I right?
At 11:31 my mind just unlocked a memory of an old DS game called "Magical Starsign" which also had a bunch of different planets you could travel between. There's a shocking amount of similarities between these two games. From the playstyle to the planets to the rocket. Weird.
if I had a nickel for every time Cream the Rabbit was the most broken character in a Sonic game, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Dark Brotherhood is by far my favorite sonic game, I'm glad it finally got the recognition it deserved. You can make fun of it but it's far better than boom and I think we can all agree on that.
I love that that lawsuit not only made it so that this game didn't get a sequel but also made it so that this game stopped being canon to the Sonic universe.
Well I mean Shade is by far the only memorable new character from this game. For me at least I miss her Damn it all because of Ken Penders’s Tomfoolery.
I remember getting this as my first game when I was 7, a solid masterpiece that I replay occasionally, wish the game got harder when u got to restart it at level 18 lmaoooo
I played this game when I was young. I don't even remember my experience with it, other than finding Big's hurt sound to be hilarious, and Omega's self-aware sass to be the best thing about it.
Dude I loved this game as a kid and played it over and over again. I completely forgot it existed up until now. It's been actual years since I heard anything about this game.
9:17 That doesn't make any sense, the statute of limitations purpose is so people cannot open or reopen a case years after the offense or verdict. You can't reopen the statute of limitations. The only way would be to open a case about a different legal issue, but then there's still the problem of the only things that could be brought up in court related to that would likely also have exceeded the statute of limitations.
I can never hate this game, because it is just jam-packed with obscure references. The Gizoid from Sonic Battle and Amy’s fondness for tarot being the two I remember off the top of my head.
YO YOU MEAN THIS GAME WASN'T A FEVER DREAM??? I swore I had this game but I could never find any proof of its existence, yet I had explicit memories of playing it when I was a kid. Thank you Alpha for at least confirming its existence to me once and for all
You know... It sounds like they inspired themselves a lot from Mario RPG. It's an RPG based on an iconic Platformer serie, both have attacks with timed presses for better results, and they both have the main villain of the game join your party as well as characters that exist only in that specific RPG. And I think that the threat comes from outer space in both?
I noticed we look really sweet in this video.
Bonik de leg log
Wytf
Ain't no way 🤣
PFFTTT WHAT
Atleast The Hedgehog himself can look back on his past and see the good in his not-very-good games.
While the music being deleted is sadly not true, there is something else about the music which is in my opinion even funnier:
Apparently, the music had to be removed due to "legal reasons" and Bioware decided that the only logical thing to do was to steal music from Sonic Fansites. But they even fucked up that and because of time constraints they didn't manage to make some percussion instruments actually play.
Lawsuits is just a part of this games identity i guess
There's a bit more to the "time constraints" thing.
This game was in development while EA was buying BioWare, and EA essentially told BioWare, "I know you're contracted by Sega to make this Sonic game and so you have to finish it, but if you don't get this thing out the door as soon as possible so we can buy you, we're calling it off."
Also, it was more than just the percussion instruments. They messed up converting the MIDI files to work with the DS's sound chip, so there's just instruments missing and other instruments that are supposed to be playing in one soundfont playing in another.
@@ChazzzyF Those things just make it even better!
@Arcana zero Studios But how do you top a masterpiece?
Lawsuits? This is mostly all Sonic 3D Blast music (Both Genesis and Saturn versions) It would of almost been more reasonable to just use the original Sonic 3D songs
Easily the best bad game I've ever played.
Also Alpharad completely glossing over how if you play your dialog right you can get a romantic confession from Amy and state bluntly that yes, Dexter was obviously not real.
WHAT A TWIST!
@@RandoSando. The question is more so “why?”
Like, I know it was in an attempt to make Sonic jealous, but still…
I just like how Rouge laid her out.
“Oh, Sonic’s your man? But I thought you already had a man!”
Fucking hell, Rouge, go easy on the poor girl!
@@zyriantel9601
Rouge is 18.
Amy is 12.
She didn't have to, and no real reason to, but her grown self chose to dunk on a preteen in front of her crush just for so.
Cruel and unusual, 10/10 would stan again
@@zulephizus1212Rouge was 18 in this game? I’m not surprised Amy being 12 but, I thought Rouge was like 25.
This game also contains arguably the best "Timmy fell down a well" joke ever written: at one point an NPC asks you to save his son Timmy, who has fallen down a well. You go down the well and discover that 'Timothy' is a grown man who inspects wells for a living.
I completely forgot about this.
I played the game when I was like 9 and only remember the one where you have to get a guy newspaper while he's on the toilet.
@@jayalriik7421 I don't think I ever found that quest, I must've somehow missed it. Where was that?
@evanrobert175 I haven't even thought about the game in over 10 years so I have no clue where it was.
And pops basically had dementia
Blue ridge zone and it's by the old man near the west side of the map @@RuralNanoChao
What's funny is Penders' lawsuit didn't just prevent a sequel. It's a pretty fascinating read, he basically derailed the entire series, forced a giant reboot and caused Sega to create new restrictions and censorship rules.
well it derailed the archie comics. not the whole series.
@@EXFrostand Archie’s incompetence is what eventually led SEGA to just cancel the Archie comics entirely (though I wish they had waited until the then-current four-issue series ended. They were doing the classic games, and they ended it at CD, the third game. Had they done it after 3, they could’ve ended things more neatly.), eventually starting a new series with IDW (which has now been integrated into the main canon).
Though I haven’t been hearing a lot of good from IDW lately, so maybe we might get an Archie repeat.
I was about to say, it had all sorts of implications for the games, comics, and TV shows. They did violate the settlement by having echidnas in sonic 2 (movie) though, which is interesting and I hope sega grew balls and continues to do that sort of thing
@@paperluigi6132IDW might not always hit, but it's gonna take a *lot* for it to even start scratching the surface of fuckery that Archie was.
@@paperluigi6132 There's absolutely no way it will EVER reach Ken Penders level of bullshit. That was a bygone era of amateur artists and fanfic authors being allowed to pilot official sonic storytelling.
IDW might get stale or boring or even outright bad. But never to the levels of autistic cringe Ken outputted.
I'm in absolute AWE of Rouge having the ability to "distract enemies with feminine wiles"
forget furries, she was some bioware employee's sexual awakening apparently
Let’s be real, 9/10 furries had their awakening through Sonic the Hedgehog. I am one of them
@@lesmortimers4791 This is Starfox Adventures erasure
@@geoffreyprecht2410 blame Nintendo for not giving that franchise the resources to continue.
The internet kept that franchise alive.
Look up A Fox In Space.
@@manoftruth0935 Has episode 2 of that come out yet? I hung out with the creator at a furry convention years ago and got to fully understand why he takes so long making that show.
@@geoffreyprecht2410 my guess is Nintendo being on his ass. If nintendo isn't careful, Sega can sonic boom right past them again. Pokemon SV caused people to wake up to the problems with Nintendo consoles.
Loved this game as a kid, played it several times over. I have no recollection of the entire space plotline
Same bro. I remember the gameplay itself being just good enough for me as a kid (I never really played "good" rpgs) but I actually reaaaaaally dug the plot about the sonic world, the echidna's and Knuckles' journey.
There are multiple endings
Do you mean that during this section... You spaced out?
thats me as a kid and minions movies 💀
I've played this game in it's entirety and managed to add some +2 ng+ as a kid, i only remember the biggest chunks of the game and i really wonder considering you get no exp whatsoever before reaching the last dungeon lmao litteraly the only thing keeping me in was the power trip i'd get out of stomping on the entire game when i was struggling at first
you still can’t convince me this is how the game actually ends
I have the physical game itself and yes that is actually how the game ends. :(
That's how it ends. We don't joke about this lol
@@GameMa5Ter2O01 u also 100% it too cuz ik i did ✋
When I finished it many years ago I also couldn't fucking believe that's how the game ended
Oh it absolutely is.
7:54 no way in hell he just silly walked, carpet bombed shadow, stood *in front of it* , then started dancing
Pretty in character
it's so fucking stupid, had me laughing for a while
The devs really picked the character who's gone for half the game to give the best animations to
It's so stupid but I've been laughing at it for about 5 minutes now💀
One of Eggman’s 300 IQ moves I guess 😂
I love how Bioware didn’t think that Cream being able to affect herself wouldn’t break the game.
that or they did, with the expectation that Cream MUST be broken, as she was in her original game.
I think they intended for the QTEs to make up for it
I dont think a lot of thought of any kind went into this game.
Cream was broken in all Sonic games she appeared as a playable character, so this is very on brand.
Cut them some slack, they were founded by a paradox, after all.
I like how the devs just shill themselves at the end
Not shilling. It's just the credits + extra, hence the "I'm outta here option" to immediately leave.
@@lukeskylicker Still shilling + outing themselves as the people that made this game. Double L
@@HeroChao132 Alpharad is a shill because he said his name in the video he made.
@@HeroChao132why are u being toxic over fucking sonic game credits
@@HeroChao132 nah that's kind of a W
Not only does it end on a cliffhanger but bioware had the balls to dickstroke themselves this is a masterpiece truely
I believe there’s a term for dickstroking yourself, it’s masturbation
And also promote an Dragon Age game, IN A SONIC GAME!
You know a section is bad when the mementos theme gets busted out
What's the song that starts at 11:24? It's so familiar but I can't land a clue
@@HellfireLotus its from ace attorney
@@lelm0127 I just just now found it cause I went through Ace Attorney's soundtrack since I figured as much but thanks!! 😂
Forgetful with a stutter?
M-mentos: the r-r-fresh me-me-mbrain'er.
should have played okumura's palace theme ngl
Fun fact, if you keep the credits going, Omega finishes them because Tails gets tired, then Sonic falls asleep and Omega calls them stupid meatbags.
I like how the game ends with a timeloop
Since there wasn't a sequel, they'll just keep repeating their actions till the heat death of the universe
I was in stream for all the crashes at the beginning, and he didn't mention it, but he bought an entire physical copy just in case it wouldn't work at all
He also totally downloaded malware along the way too live on stream lmao
And then kept it even after he got the emulator working
@@xakerie5762 Shit, man, with how bad this game is, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was somehow malware hard-coded into the physical copy
@@xakerie5762 wait actually-
First 2022 video
Calling Omega Shadow’s robot boyfriend is so incredibly accurate.
Team dark is basically Rouge having to take care of her two PTSD ridden boyfriends
_I never thought I'd ever come across a comment like this.... And now that I did _*_I DON'T REGRET IT XD_*
Reminds me of Snapcube's Sonic dubs where Rouge has been in multiple poly relationships (the Babylon rogues, dating sonic who is also with shadow). In that universe, I can imagine team dark being a romantic yet aggressive polycule.
Omega: I wish to destroy Eggman for my creation.
Shadow: *PTSD worsens every week*
Rouge: hehe jewls pretty
@@Schnort And I think Rouge got kicked out of the polycule because she couldn’t name more than two of the Beatles
The worst part is that the story actually started with Sonic Battle, which introduced the Gizoids and added some actual intrigue and probably the saddest ending in a Sonic game, which then continued into Sonic Advance 3 with a replica Gizoid being part of the story.
Don't forget that Emerl makes an appearance in Sonic Battle and is effectively a customizable character with the ability to have every character's moveset, which makes him the most broken fighter in that game
@@SevenHickory1 i know what you mean, but i think it's hilarious to say that emerl 'makes an appearance' in his only canon game and the one that he's the main character of, lmao
I'm wondering why G-Mel wasn't with Cream & Cheese...But maybe it was left with her mother, Vanilla? I don't think anything can replace what was Emerl.
@@DarknessXxMaster It’s in canon that he tends to their homestead so most likely. Gemerl definitely gets more attention in the IDW comics and is a cool bro to Cream and Vanilla at least
@@hussamwilliams7806fr lol
I'll never not be disappointed by this game. This game had the potential to be Sonic's answer to the Mario & Luigi series, but a combination of unfortunate events coupled with a frivoulous lawsuit that not only killed any hopes this game had for a sequel, but also helped kill off the Archie Sonic comics and the Archie Megaman comics to boot, it really felt like everything that could've gone wrong, did.
It hurts me so damn much that the sonic archie comics and the sonic megaman comics took one hits because of the stupid ass lawsuit like those were EPIC!! I remember being so hyped for the archiecomics and begging my mom to buy them from the grocery store. Like damn,,,,
honestly i feel like a sonic rpg could work too, especially w sega making fun of themselves more often i feel like it could geniunely be a blast if they dont take it too seriously lmao
somehow i doubt that it killed the megaman comics. Pretty sure Archie Publishing did that themselves.
I'm pretty sure the death of the Archie Sonic Comics had nothing to do with this other than that Ken Penders was involved in both.
Oh how I miss mario and Luigi
"Did you know this was made by BioWare, which was founded by two doctors?"
I did not Tails, but I'm now reconsidering balancing my humors and bloodletting thanks to that!
I didn't know that, Tails. I also didn't expect you and Sonic to start breaking the 4th wall.
15:21 Forcing someone into a Groundhog Day loop in Sonic Chronicles is a bigger threat than forcing someone into real life Groundhog Day
Toby Fox had better look out, because this is absolutely one of the RPGs I've ever seen in my life
Heya! Christopher Moon! First time being me the one finding you!
Holy shit its Christopher Moon again
@@Hungryfox1 Wait? It's Christopher Moom? Are we getting Mandela Effected?
Yoooo the legend is back!
ChristopherMoon!
Alphard: "That sounds like a threat!"
Sonic Chronicles: "That's not a threat, it's a promise."
Is that a Jelloapocalypse Dogs in love reference!
@@Celestial914 Not intentionally... But I've watched Dogs In Love enough times for it to find its way into my subconscious 😂
1. Yes, they did delete the entire soundtrack. The entire soundtrack that is now in the game, took (I believe) 2 days, and was 90% free sound effects.
2. The emulated version crashes sometimes.
3. The Chao are incredibly broken.
4. It is cannon that Rouge can seduce robots.
5. Cream is broken.
6. Feroz is broken.
7. Super Sonic can die.
8. In the final fight, they both actually don't have a health bar, and instead have a hit count.
9. Shadow and Cream make you basically immortal.
10. Omega has the highest potential damage, (except for the final fight).
11. The space islands (other than the final island of the game) are the reason the game wasn't received well, which in turn stopped it's sales because it was really boring, which is the real reason it never got a sequel: because that combined with the Lawsuit, meant they would only lose money if they made a second.
Is there any source stating that the music was deleted?
Source for the first one?
"BioWare (the main creators of Sonic Chronicles) had a full, originally composed soundtrack made for the game. However, before release they had to pull the stage music out for a variety of legal reasons. Under pressure of this, along with time constraints, BioWare took pre-existing MIDI files (a music composition format) of music from earlier Sonic games from different Sonic fan websites, and added them as the Stage music. The Sonic Community has criticized this decision greatly. Time constraints also made them use an unfinished custom soundfont (a variety of instruments in one file). Because of this, some percussion instruments in certain songs are missing. An example of this can be found in the song "Nocturne"." -Sonic Retro
@@agonized8308 they beat me to it. There's your source.
@@RuralNanoChao i want your sausage to stoke innyhe fuck mouse fart mega? Oh oh oh oh my se
Imagine the emotional toil this ending had for a child playing the game, watching as it suddenly promises to self-restart your save like a directive in a spy movie, and not knowing anyone else who played the game who could possibly grasp the depth of your confusion or confirm that: yes, that really just happened. Thanks for sharing the Sonic Chronicles experience with the rest of your viewers, Alpharad
13:48 The fact this whole attack is so epic and still ends with the fucking stock cartoon sound effect is unbelievably hilarious.
Like, imagine if Goku vs Frieza ended like that? Frieza gets cut in half and falls to the ground and you just hear the Nickelodeon splat sound effect?
getting a new alpharad video is always a good kind of scary cause u don’t know if he’s doing a “social experiment” or losing his sanity by playing bad games
in this case its both
I watched Jaiden play Mario while blindfolded whilst Jacob guided her so I got to see him lose his sanity while someone else played a good game!
Never thought we’d see Alpharad talk about Ken Penders lore on the channel 😆 such an insane rabbit hole. Curious what the sequel would’ve looked like if it wasn’t for the lawsuit.
don't talk about rabbit hole you'll give ken ideas :~((
@@cassettemokarosa5108 christ, I feel like an idiot for how long that joke took me to get.
@Don't Read Profile Photo g8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8
The characters didn't even look similar loool....
@@nakedstatue8517 exactly
It's been a while since I've watched an Alpharad video in its entirety, I'm glad to see they're still as funny as ever.
The best credits of all time, can’t believe the two doctors at bioware got a sudden fear of hedgehogs and will never get close to working with sega again
dude this fucking game was my absolute SHIT as a kid holy fuck this and mario luigi partners in time made my fuckin childhood
What a horrible childhood.
Same.
@@wander7812 Incorrect
Bro same I still have my copy of this but sadly I only had mario and Luigi partners in time on a R4 card and I lost it
i loved it as a child and partners in time is still a dang masterpiece, in my opinion better then most modern mario rpg
I had both games at the same time in my life. I got right to the final boss of Sonic Chronicles before I gave up.
Glad to see both Alpharad and the comment section mentioning how, despite the game's technical difficulties, it being a hidden childhood gem.
Many technical difficulties. XD
I played the shit outa that game when I was a kid and the fact there wasn’t a sequel had me in actual tears.
After watching this video, my feelings have not changed.
I want the 2nd game to have all the sound effects being the iPhone Calculator sound effects to make it even worse.
I want to see a sequel specifically so they can reopen the insane court case
Sonic chronicles 2: The dark legal issues
That would be very interesting to see in this day and age for sure.
I’m almost scared to know what court would be so bored as to willingly take on that case.
@@Zero-ontheleft THE DARK AGE OF LAW
real.
I loved playing this game as a kid and I would play it again XD
Hello UwU-san
PLEASE COLLAB WITH KING FLAME PLUS UWU PLUS NANI
Mate, newgame plus is in it. I Beat it like 50 Times as a kid
Somehow me too
But like Tingle rupeeland
Man ; I regret haven't hide my DS games during my childhood.
Same.
There has been several times where I wanted to replay this game, but couldn't because I lost the cartridge.
I’m pretty glad this game didn’t get a sequel. The money and time that would need to be poured into something that could top a game of this caliber would be insane, and we’d probably lose the cartoony fucking death sound effects.
Them sound effects were probably free just like the soundtrack
I love how the game tries to be super serious with the plot but simultaneously is also like ''haha funni death go BWUAUAOAOANG YAAAAAAAAY''
How could I ever take this game seriously if Eggman does the goofy walk before blowing an enemy up
@@K-Rocketman does the plug walk before carpet bombing the entire enemy team
Im just glad to see people acknowledge this game's existence for the first time in years. It's not a great game, but I love it. Just hate that Penders killed the sequel
Genuinely would've been such a banger.
Penders kills a lot of things in the sonic series.
We can't hide from the penders
Indeed
Not only killed the sequel. He killed it from cannon forever.
If you think about it, Ken Penders is basically the world's most successful Sonic OC artist.
succesful is a big word
More like most arrogant.
Naoto Ohshima, surely!
At what cost?
The most successful Sonic OC artist is working for Sega on actual games right now T_T
The white echidna from the comic wasn't created by Penders and was based off of another white echidna from the UK comic. The second one has little or no similarities to Shade, it was her sister named Julie-Su who also looks nothing like Shade and is pretty different in character aside from both of them defecting.
Penders didn’t care at all. We will forget his attempt at comics, but we will never forget the Nocturne.
@@manoftruth0935 apparently he thought about going after the sonic 2 movie. didn't seem to go anywhere
As someone who has played this game more than once, the shadow fight in the toxic swamps is optional. If you chose the right dialogue options he will just leave without fighting you.
As someone that has played the new game + portion of this game, I can confirm the following:
- you carry over all your gear and experience from playthrough 1
- all your characters will level up to the level they reached previously after just one battle on NG+
- None of the enemies scale in power or HP therefore you will quite literally be able to wipe out everything in one or two hits
- No much to everyone's disappointment there is nothing else after beating the game a second time. It just loops again and again and again.
This game gives off serious fan game vibes ngl, I can't be alone on this one
But Sonic fangames are better than Sega’s stuff, not worse.
You say that like I'd want to play either.
It’s a ds game
@@gengarzilla1685 Murder of Sonic was pretty good
The funniest thing about the Penders Chronicles lawsuit is that he literally has no grounds and SEGA literally just ignored it.
And because he already had a lawsuit going out at the time, it was thrown out. Multiple times.
Fr. I'm looking back and forth between the designs and there's basically zero similarities. Aside from them being Sonic echidnas.
@@clayxros576 I mean Kenders did end up stealing the entire design of Shade’s suit in his own comic, so if anything he’s liable to be sued for copyright infringement lol.
@@FrostGlader with which character? :0
@@Energizedmagpie quite literally the main character of his comic.
Who was Knuckles’ love interest in Archie Sonic. Forget her name.
Speaking of Knux, he also unlawfully uses the Hat in his comic too.
@@FrostGlader Lara-Su, I believe.
There's a secret scene where after beating shade. If you have Amy on your team she'll try to break the boulders that shade blocked with and only ended up to get knocked out
The deeper Alpharad dives into the Sonic franchise, the more his mind unravels.
I can’t wait for him to try and figure out the comics. That shit is borderline indecipherable
The Archie ones at least
11:06 Won’t you coooome wash away the rain Black Hole Sun (Black Hole Sun, Black Hole Suuun) Oh won’t you cooome
Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that lmao
@@chocoboko123the beginning guitar riff was edited in as he said if you listen close, so even Alpha thought of that
this game could not have been brought to light in any better way than jacob's conflicted journey with it. perfectly conveys what this game feels like to experience
I love how his reaction to the ending was basically just maniacal laughter
My first rpg game! :D
Ah the traumatizing memories of not being able to progress through the game and not knowing how to do the qte's
If you progress through this dark souls of a game you get cool lore tho
It was my first real video game (not an educational thing on a windows xp office pc), this really brought back good memories of my old home :)
Cool lore that is no longer canon
Playing this on an emulator made on my phone (yes acually) is my childhood
I thought the circle closing in was a timer and not something I had to time the overlap of and I kept failing the qte's and had no idea why because they're so fast and it throws so many at you
Same! And I’ve been secretly trying to find an RPG that’s similar it. But I ended up playing/finding tales of Berseria instead
As a kid, I REALLY wanted this game. I used to enjoy replaying it over and over. I even constantly borrowed (and then "kept") the official guidebook from the library.
Nowadays, I can only play the first half of this game on a lazy day....
Damn...
I love how Jacob looked at the game, realised its soundtrack was unbearable, and decided that the only solution was to swap in the best tracks from Xenoblade 2 whenever he could
From one Chronicles to another.
I played NG+ in this game so many times as a kid, I can’t help but have a big cheesy grin when I see it again.
I also remember how excited I was to see a sequel for the game…
Only reason I played the NG+ so many times as a kid is because I was convinced the ending wasn't real! You can imagine my disappointment after the 5th time me trying it 😅
Fun fact:
Apart from being a Sonic game with the worst music but also with one of the best stories, it also is the only one Sonic game that drop a clue about what a echidna on super form would look like.
IX, the main villain was always on super form cause he was always using the energy from chaos emerald except at the final battle where player has gathered all chaos emerald and the master emerald, so he goes back to the normal echidna form (could do a fight with super sonic due game explains he used the energy of the citadel)
I luvvv the music
@@superninja123 i mean, compared to other Sonic music, this one is bad.
honestly didn’t think anyone knew about this game I’m glad to see it again 😭
Yeah, same! I have a distinct and fond memory of booting it up on my r4 like on three separate occasions, getting stuck after a while each time, and never playing it again. Man, I love that game.
Glad Alpharad played it for me so I don't have to, again :)
I loved playing this as a kid, this was peak gaming for me when I was 7 years old
Same
@@DerMarcus_ yep, cream and shadow with shade just cheeses the whole game :).
4:08 - This is actually a MIDI version of a track from Sonic 3D Blast. Not only did they manage to lost the original soundtrack, what they replaced it with was in part composed of MIDIs presumably downloaded from VGMusic.
What actually happened to the soundtrack is that that the songs were complete, but they forgot to put a bunch of instrument samples in the game, making the songs sound very incomplete.
If you convert the soundtrack to midi, you'll see plenty of instruments that are there but aren't actually heard.
RIGHT THERE!!! 11:46. That blue crystal golem looking dude is where I got my username. They are the Zoah. I was stuck on that planet forever because I was a dumb kid and forgot about over world abilities. I grinder away and over leveled on random encounters. Frustrated, I put the game away for a few months to come back and accidentally walk into the final boss room I stomped him to bits and declaimed myself “The King of the Zoah” I have had that same username basically everywhere for years and I am glad it came from one of the sonic games of all time.
Now that's some good username backstory. :D
It’s kinda cool to have a credits style dialogue conversation between characters
This is one of my FAVORITE guilty pleasures
4:02 is the most wholesome part of the video. A true antiperspirant moment!
5:28 "Amy can smash." I'm surprised that nobody said anything about this
It is better that nobody notices this for the time being, until she is a grown up
@@goncalosilva4341 I think this technically doesn’t break any of UA-cam’s rules but I’m reporting it anyway.
@@goncalosilva4341 💀💀💀 If you're going to sound creepy please at least be funny
@@Soleihere ok i'm sorry
@@kikiretzorg1467 ah shit a fiction hedgehog is underage this is a serious crime
I remember having this game on my DS flashcard as a kid. I'm glad to know that this game actually exists and wasn't just some part of my imagination.
Same, but years later I managed to track down a physical copy of the game.
Couple things
1. One simple clarification, the city that was destroyed in the prologue was actually eggmans city, they mention that and the city is still completely destroyed when you get to it
2. I unironically love the aesthetics of the Nocturnus Clan, a super technologically advanced race, leech tech that converts enemy life energy into their own personal health restoration, robots that become more dangerous from actual learning combat capabilities, akin to metal Sonic's actually, titles like Imperator and using Roman legionary rankings for their units, and fuck me they deserved so much better and just more in general, speaking as someone who enjoyed the game
7:00 WAIT?! One of the chao you can get, removes the touch screen bullshit? I might be willing to retry playing this game at some point if that's an option.
Only for its bonded partner
8:00 lololololol i died watching eggman waddle over to shadow and dance like a toddler 🤣🤣🤣💀
2:13 bro they brought out the meme soundboard for this one
This is quite literally the childhood game, I wish they actually made a sequel to this masterpiece
@Jack Wrath sure Jan
as a sonic fan the game fuckin stinks bro 💀
Thanks, Ken Penders
But it will never happen because this game was kicked out of continuity.
@@mult1versal they said it was a childhood game not a good game
Man, I used to play an unhealthy amount of Sonic Chronicles as a kid. It was my first Sonic game and it just feels like a feverdream in retrospect
Was mine too bro, you aren’t alone in this.
This was your first Sonic Game? I'm not sure if that's worse or better than having Sonic 06 be your first. Like me.
@@PhillipOnTakos I actually liked playing it, replayed the same file like 3 times.
Sonic 06 was my first 3d Sonic, which is odd because I knew it was a mess and at that point, I could've easily picked Unleashed or Generations. I totally knew what I was getting into and I think it was kind of a valuable experience despite all :D
Come to think of it, I think I picked it because I wanted to play as Shadow and Silver lol
i actually really liked this game when i played it as a kid, but now, as a nearly 26 year old adult, i can't believe this game is the way it is 💀
Had this game as a kid, got mommy bat thing, got lost, stopped playing.
sonic chronicles was so fire, one of my actual childhood memories, being a sonic fan as a kid and seeing a dark themed rpg was perfect timing for a kid like me
I played this game many years ago, but one of the most hilarious things I discovered about it was that Big the Cat could stun-lock the final boss if you perfected the action command for his fishline attack. Just goes to show how well this game as made, am I right?
Bro’s invincible for a reason, y’know.
11:06 i love the one second sound clip of “black hole sun”
This is unironically the best part of today so far
Christmas has low key been hot ass
Sorry to hear that. Hope it gets better, or at least New Years is good.
yakkocmn's vid on Sonic today was also amazing
@@OmniGundam777 thank you
I hope your Christmas gets better! And if not let me wish you a good Christmas anyways and hope for the best
@@mario-oc2if Snapcube made a video on a funny ps2 game, I recommend it, it’s very funny!
Uh-oh, someone rediscovered the ace attorney soundtrack.
At 11:31 my mind just unlocked a memory of an old DS game called "Magical Starsign" which also had a bunch of different planets you could travel between.
There's a shocking amount of similarities between these two games. From the playstyle to the planets to the rocket.
Weird.
Played this game as a kid and I know it's aged horribly but it still holds a special place in my heart
if I had a nickel for every time Cream the Rabbit was the most broken character in a Sonic game, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Every song makes me laugh uncontrollably and the thought that this was hurriedly made in a single night makes it even better
5:13 Fun Fact: this robot is actually a reference to Sonic SAT AM
Dark Brotherhood is by far my favorite sonic game, I'm glad it finally got the recognition it deserved. You can make fun of it but it's far better than boom and I think we can all agree on that.
I love that that lawsuit not only made it so that this game didn't get a sequel but also made it so that this game stopped being canon to the Sonic universe.
This game rebooted the Sonic Comics universe
Probably for the best
Shade is still canon apparently, she's mentioned in the most recent encyclopedia
This game feels like it's a collective fever dream that we've all just decided to accept as part of reality.
You just described r/tulpas in one second
As a kid, Shade was that one character that made me question: “Am I attracted to fictional characters?” The answer was yes, but I wish it wasnt
Furry awakening ?
@@aikotitilai3820 no wonder Rouge felt threatened by her presence.
Well I mean Shade is by far the only memorable new character from this game. For me at least I miss her Damn it all because of Ken Penders’s Tomfoolery.
11:07 huh… won’t you come, (uhhh) “take” away the rain…
5:52 Predicted the murder of Sonic the Hedgehog
8:08 Eggman was before the times huh
Sonic chronicles is genuinely one of my favorite sonic games and ds games in general I've played through it so many times
I remember getting this as my first game when I was 7, a solid masterpiece that I replay occasionally, wish the game got harder when u got to restart it at level 18 lmaoooo
@@chris_b346 I rebooted the game to get an army of broken chao (s)
This game was so fun
I played this game when I was young. I don't even remember my experience with it, other than finding Big's hurt sound to be hilarious, and Omega's self-aware sass to be the best thing about it.
Eggman's dialogue is also gold. He was my favourite part of the game
Legend has it that Alpharad is still trying to get the game to end
10:08 lol the way he said rouge😂
Dude I loved this game as a kid and played it over and over again. I completely forgot it existed up until now. It's been actual years since I heard anything about this game.
14:09
And that's how Sonic Chronicles is the Prequel to Sonic Forces, you're welcome for this horrible realization.
😭😭
Other way round, Sonic Forces is this game’s sequel
@@lukiwei9468 Now it makes sense
@@lukiwei9468 🧐 🧠 I mean Forces came out Way later but the joke serves its purpose
9:17 That doesn't make any sense, the statute of limitations purpose is so people cannot open or reopen a case years after the offense or verdict. You can't reopen the statute of limitations. The only way would be to open a case about a different legal issue, but then there's still the problem of the only things that could be brought up in court related to that would likely also have exceeded the statute of limitations.
I can never hate this game, because it is just jam-packed with obscure references. The Gizoid from Sonic Battle and Amy’s fondness for tarot being the two I remember off the top of my head.
YO YOU MEAN THIS GAME WASN'T A FEVER DREAM???
I swore I had this game but I could never find any proof of its existence, yet I had explicit memories of playing it when I was a kid. Thank you Alpha for at least confirming its existence to me once and for all
That unrestricted fit of animalistic laughter at the end restored my HP in real life
Thanks and merry Christmas mr Rad
THIS GAME WAS MY CHILDHOOD
That's sad...
@@Chillgamesh what’s sad is that it will never have a sequel 🥲
@@Daybed- I think a sonic jrpg would be cool SEGA owns ATLUS so they could have them make it
I played 10 minutes as a kid gave it back and got sonic rush best decision of my live
I played this game probably 5 times through and kept looping every time. It’s not a great game but the nostalgia goes hard for me
I still can’t get over the goofy kill sound
unironically i think it's a stock sfx cause i've heard that play in entirely unrelated PC CD games i played when i was like, 5.
You know... It sounds like they inspired themselves a lot from Mario RPG. It's an RPG based on an iconic Platformer serie, both have attacks with timed presses for better results, and they both have the main villain of the game join your party as well as characters that exist only in that specific RPG. And I think that the threat comes from outer space in both?
As someone who grew up playing this game, I personally thought it wasn't bad. And then I played other Sonic games and realized what it actually was.