A couple notes. A:) he didn't get that name until I, Frankenstien (a severely underrated movie in my opinion), so it's understandable people don't call him that B:) that was rather the point, I think.
@@davidspring4003 A.) No, he was first called "Adam" by Mary Shelley in her letters. B.) Actually, the point that MS intended was that man should not try to imitate God.
I always liked him to be named Zuriel Frankenstein for a couple reasons. I was introduced to comics by Grant Morrison's JLA and he was one of my favorite characters and the monster was religious; having learning how to read by going over a copy of Paradise Lost over and over again and Zuriel was the name of an angel who took on mortal flesh and that's real fitting for him. But I see why Adam fits better.
A) The creature was never actually called Adam in the book (only compared himself to the biblical figure), so insisting that is his true name in order to show off that you have read her letters on the subject is kind of even worse than saying "Frankenstein was the scientist". B) The creature was certainly sympathetic. And Victor was certainly a coward and all around jerk, and never took responsibility for his own actions even when he knew it would hurt others. But the creature murdered 3 innocent people, including a small child, and also framed an innocent woman for the child's murder, just to hurt Victor. And he also demands Victor build him a woman to be his mate with no thought to her having free will or a choice in the matter. So... I'm going to have to disagree on Victor being the "true monster".
So does that mean that the monster was the monster, that the monster was the creator, that the creator was the monster, that the creator was the creator, or that Frankenstein was Frankenstein?
"knowledge is knowing Frankenstein wasn't the monster, wisdom is knowing that he was" Not repeating the word monster cleans up the quote, maybe im wrong but thats also just how I always remember it.
"the best way to aliviate that stress is lots and lots of smoking around sensitive equipment. I mean it worked out so well for Jay Garrick." well he became the fastest man in Earth-2, so yeah, I guess it did.
The Gargoyle was working for the Russians when he was a scientist. When he decided to be good looking but less smart, he joined the Americans. Well done.
Apparently it's no longer a current usage, but the term "gargoyle" was used as an insulting description of a person, essentially meaning "grotesquely ugly", as well as "decorative monster on a medieval church" (which in turn really didn't have a single standard appearance, no matter what the "Gargoyles" cartoon may have told us)
Betty: "Hey Dad, I just had a horrible thought. What if both of us turned into red variations of Hulk and She-Hulk?" Thaddeus: "Well, that'd just be kinda stupid, honey." I was laughing my ass off.
Even more sympathetic is the Mary Shelly's version of the monster. He learns language and poetry during his time alone by spying on a french family. One day he attempts to contact them and they attack him and afterwards people constantly try to kill him because of his appearance. He finally decides to become the monster everyone says he is and attacks his creator's family.
The creature compares himself to Adam (specifically Adam in *Paradise Lost*) at one point but no one ever gives him a name (the lack of social interaction IS his problem after all) and he uses "I" when talking about himself (duh).
Adam is a first name, so it doesn't speak to surname at all. The tradition with surnames is that offspring take the name of the father. If he is life created by Frankenstein, his last name would also be Frankenstein. If he then chooses to add the first name Adam, that has no effect on has last name.
@@snakes3425 wasn't there a story in marvel where a bunch of peoples secrets got revealed and banner got in a fight with Tony because what was revealed made him think he was reponsible?
@@__-dr5vm It's called Original Sin. Speaking of Original Sin, did Linkara ever review it? And if he didn't review it yet, does he plan on reviewing it?
Hulk is hands down my fav Marvel Superhero. Not just cause of his strength or the smashing (tho that is fun) but just because of how unique of a superhero he is. He’s not some tight wearing (most of the time) cape flying, pure heart. He’s a mentally tortured scientist who can destroy everyone if he’s not careful and becomes one of the strongest humans on the planet.
I like the MCU origin. Bruce was trying to duplicate the whole Captain America formula thing, and he got the serum wrong, but no one could figure out just what the hell "Vita-Rays" were, so he thought they might be Gamma rays, but it didn't quite go as planned. Still, the use of the serum provides a nice explanation for how he survived and everything.
That was actually taken from the Ultimate version; Ultimate Marvel tried to tie all superheroes back to Captain America (a theory that worked well for Hulk and Spider-man but was just cringe-worthy when applied to the X-Men).
@@jamesadamsfl yeesh. At least mcu balanced out and didnt tie them all to him… (i dont count captain marvel due to so many timeline hiccups it cant be canon in my eyes. Plus it would mean we tyin everythin to her, aka just copyin the ultimate universe thing)
In fairness to the 1978 series, they were trying to make the Hulk into a heavily dramatic show. That meant that they had to try and make it a plausible as possible. Sure they still had a hulking green monster, but that's the furthest they went. There were no supervillains or Hulkbusters or other heroes (aside from those god awful crossovers where Hulk met Thor and Daredevil). Just a man trying to rid himself of his monstrous half. Also, with the budget they had, there was no way that they could recreate the origin scene from the comic without it looking stupid as all hell.
No need to be fair the the TV series. It was just a direct copy of the TV series "The Fugitive". They just changed the reason he's on the run and who is chasing him, but the plot is otherwise exactly the same.
good insight, I hate it when people tell me that comic books are "realistic." If they were realistic I wouldn't read them. I like to escape reality when I read comics.
Thank you. I hate people who think all movies need to be realistic. Movies are meant to be an escape from reality. Now, this doesn't mean movies can't have rules, but sometimes, you need to suspend disbelief when watching a film.
15:33 One of the funny things about the bkurb saying that the name Hulk will become "immortal" is that the most recent run of Hulk comics is called "The Immortal Hulk."
“And thus, a name is given to Bruce Banner’s other self, a name which is destined to become...IMMORTAL!” No doubt foreshadowing Hulk’s latest comic book series “The Immortal Hulk.” 😎
Linkara- Also if you don't want it to be like a comic book,than maybe you shouldn't adapt a comic book character. Me - I've been saying that for years.
"How did the Soviets lose if they have mind control guns?" Oh, you know how it is with dictators. You make one crack about Stalin's mustache and suddenly you and everything you've ever done in life are on the "no longer exists" list. The guy's lucky Stalin didn't walk in five minutes earlier, when they were doing their routine about Stalin's tiny . . . piano player.
To draw conclusions of Adam Frankenstein's role as a victim in the story of Frankenstein, one only needs to refer to the original book. Unlike the lumbering degenrate of the movie, the original book had Adam show moderate to above intellect (Ability to not only read, but also reason philosophies of life) and able to fully communicate with Victor in perfect english. Right after the whole "Tampering with sciences that should not be charted," prejudice and the cycle of hatred is the biggest theme of the story and some could argue (Myself included) that it was even the main theme of the story, taking up so much of the narrative and the drive behind it's story, where as the science was more of a foundation that brought us to where the story of prejudice and hatred needed to go.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and say that the victims of the story are the innocent people the creature killed just to hurt Victor. Yes, the creature is sympathetic and yes, he was abandoned and unfairly hated, and his actions are clearly in response to that abuse. And Victor is a fairly unsympathetic coward who fails to take responsibility for his actions. But can we please remember the creature's response was to murder a small child with his bare hands?
Although Victor’s self-centered egoism is also important enough to be considered a story theme too. It’s the reason he made Adam, the reason he rejected him (I think?), the reason he never told anyone about it even after it killed his brother, framed his adopted sister for it, and why he lets her get executed despite knowing for certain she’s innocent, which leads his girlfriend to kill herself.
9:02 Did you know that as the first nuclear bomb was being prepped there was an active bet, that the fire nuke would cause the air all over the would to ignite and kill everyone. They felt 99% sure that wouldn't happen... but could you imagine being one of those scientist, thinking about how all life could be destroyed in a second and this general comes in and basically says "NERDS!!!! JUST BLOW IT UP SO I CAN GET MY ROCKS OFF!"
I ALWAYS hated Betty's father and it's SOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD to see my hatred for him justifiable. I KNEW he almost blew his daughter up due to his own hubris and then blamed Bruce for it! I KNEW IT!
Actually, there is precedent for Ross to just assume the G-Bomb was just another bomb, at the initial tests most people except those who built the thing assumed it was just a really big bomb.
Insert Beverly's father from Stephen King's IT here. Seriously, the way he asks what's on her mind makes me think of Beverly's father saying "I worry about you, Bev. I worry a Lot." before smacking her around because she got a poem in the mail from the new kid in school and in this scenario, Bruce is Ben, Betty's Beverly and General Ross (whom I like to call General Scrotumface but I'll restrict myself from using that because it might be offensive to you if I use it often in the comments) is Bev's father.
I find that line of narration "Immortal" Hilariously ironic! And anyone whose been reading the current Hulk comic will no doubt know what I mean by Hilariously ironic! Ha
Appropriate, maybe prophetic, but not ironic. It being Ironic would be if the Hulk never appeared again after the first eight issues and fell into obscurity.
Gonna have to correct you here Linkara, Jekyll & Hyde were _not_ split personnalities in the novel. "Hyde" was just Jekyll free of all his morals, all his self-inflicted restrictions and all his qualms - a chemical secret identity to quote someone. The in-novel-universe explanation for Hyde's younger age is that Jekyll spent so much time restraining himself that his other identity is younger. So, yeah. Jekyll & Hyde is basically one dude creating a magic potion to free himself of Victorian morals... and fighting the addiction to dive back into this free but unhinged state. The problem is that Jekyll got so used to this that (personnal interpretation here) euphoria that he "transformed" into Hyde without needing any potion.
And the only time he was referred to as two separate entities was when he was running low on the formula to turn back and had different reactions to it, Jekyll resigned to hus fate and Hyde botched about it
In Original Sin we find out that Banner did in fact fuck up his calculations, and would have killed the entire West Coast. A blackout drunk pre-Iron Man Tony worked on the bomb and fixed it so it did what it did during this issue.
I think the reason for Bruce going out to save the boy instead of getting a guard to do it may have been Ross's rant at him not being manly enough for his taste it's probably true that if you insult someone's manhood they will probably go out of their way to show it the first chance they get even without realising it if that theory holds water for anyone who reads this you could say that ross was the one who created the hulk that he became obsessed with and cost him virtually everything.
I AGREE; ACCORDING TO THE OG SOURCE MATERIAL BY MARY SHELLEY; THE MONSTER DOESN'T HAVE A NAME; ERGO; IT'S FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER; BECAUSE FRANKENSTEIN IS THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR WHO MADE THE ICONIC MONSTER!!
Yup, trying to prove his point by quoting a film adaptation that made changes to the book is a fallacy on Lewis' part to begin with. If Mary Shelley didn't call the creature by his maker's name, which she didn't, then that's what counts. Just one example why it's a fallacy: One could claim the Bible says that Satan was present as a snake at the Passion of Christ because that shitty Mel Gibson movie shows it (if I remember correctly, I only watched that garbage once a long time ago). The Bible actually does NOT say this at all, nowhere in any of the Gospels. No snake, no Satan in attendance. Just that antisemitic piece of shit's additions to the story, because he's such a super-Catholic in his own mind that he knows better than the Gospels.
Fairly sure the creature was called Adam in the book due to the religious subtext. Popular culture went for his creator's name, but it also dictates that werewolves are killed with silver (it came out with Lon Chaney's werewolf movie) and that wasn't really a thing in the original legends. So there. Back to the video with thee!
Also, vampires burning in sunlight was pretty much invented by Hollywood. In most of the myths, they were at most only weakened by it, but Arabic (I think) vampires got STRONGER in sunlight.
The line in the book was something along the lines of "behold the Adam of your labors." The monsters never called himself Adam in the book, and Frankenstein was also the title of the book to begin with
Reminds me of when in issue 2 alien Toad Men came to earth and used "magnetic grapplers" to identify the world's "most brilliant scientific brain." The person talking about this comic said "...so take that Reed Richards!": www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/hulk_2.shtml
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall According to Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, many people criticized the Hulk as being a rip-off of the giant monster stories Jack Kirby was doing for Marvel pre-Fantastic Four.
Well there Jack Kirby I believe had a creature called the Living Hulk in one of those pre-Fantastic Four Stories, and they simply recycled the name thinking no one would remember the other one.
If I see one advantage to the TV show origin, it's that it doesn't date it the way the comic origin does. Nuclear bomb tests aren't done anymore, lab experiments are.
I think when people criticize how Frankenstein isn't the name of the monster, those people are mainly referring to the original Mary Shelley book, where there was no biological connection between Victor Frankenstein and the creature he created, but I still agree with your take on how the monster has since become known as Frankenstein himself as a result of how he's portrayed in the Universal movies.
Banner: I don't make mistakes Igor Even from day one Banner had an ego. it's actually rather fitting that Banner became the only victim of the G-Bomb given he intended it to be mass produced and used on cities, and later in Hulk Grey he says he could've used his genius to find a cure for cancer and instead like Tony Stark he devoted himself to making weapons.
I like that the drawing on the cover actually sort of makes it look like he has a bolt on his neck. If you're going for Frankensteain, a la the horror films, that's a good way to do it. Also, is the G-Bomb powered by G-string theory?
Crap, if Tony is responsible for transistors, does that mean he's going to start confiscating all technology based on them as part of an arc where he takes responsibility for that which he wrought on the world? ...and ends up freeing most prisoners because much of our modern security technology relies on it? Hey, there's an interesting analogue....
tbh Linkara, yeah the movie called him Frankenstein, but that makes no sense and is pretty stupid that the scientist would name his monster exactly his name. Plus it was someone else in the movie thats NOT Dr. Frankenstein and DIDN"T create it that called the monster Frankenstein
JMtheSmartAlec well Frankenstein is technically his surname since as much Victor would like to deny it he fathered the monster and children usually take on the parents name
Bruce Banner's full name is Robert Bruce Banner and has been for as long as I can remember, even back to the older silver age marvel comics. David is actually Banner's birth name, named after his real father. I don't know how many of the comics you have read as I don't know how much of a fan you are of the Incredible Hulk, but that is how it is. David Bruce Banner was the alias he went by for a while to disassociate himself from himself. There are lots of people out there who go by their middle names.
But both of these things were retcons. His first name became "Robert" when Stan Lee misremembered Bruce name as "Bob" in one comic, and later explained it as his full name being Robert Bruce Banner. And the "David" birth name was a reference to the show. The reason he was called David on the show was because the producer thought that superheroes having alliterative names was a corny idea.
2:57 Ironic, despite all the criticism, The Hulk (2003) is the only movie adaptation that came close to the comic book origin. While it change the "gamma bomb" to "gamma ray device" it did capture one key aspect of the origin that the TV show the MCU lacked: Banner suffering his accident after trying to save an innocent, rather than just testing on himself. This aspect helps to make Hulk's origin more tragic and already establish Bruce's character as selfless person, willing to sacrifice himself for others.
Ok I have a question. In the amazing show Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes they did something I'd never seen before. They kinda gave Hulk and Banner a split personality spin. In one of the first episodes Hulk has a conversation with a hallucination of Banner, and that is what convinces him to go help the Avengers. And many times in the show it shows Hulk and Banner conversing. Was this ever done in the comics, or was this a TV only thing?
The way I see the Grey Hulk is that he's the part of Banner's mind that's sick and tired of Banner letting people walk all over him and not standing up for himself
Linkara will shout, "If you don't want to make something comic book-y, maaaaaaaaybe don't base it on a COMIC BOOK!" And Todd Phillips will whisper, "No."
I remember in the 1966 adaptation, which basically seemed like they were adding some movement to the original comics, the Gargoyle was called something like the Gorgon and he was orange instead.
"Destined to become immortal"
And now we have a new series of Hulk comics called The Immortal Hulk.
Immortal Hulk references this story a lot
I've always said:
A: Adam Frankenstein is the name of the monster.
B: Victor Frankenstein is the REAL monster of the story.
as long as I can call the monster Frankenstein, I'm gine
A couple notes.
A:) he didn't get that name until I, Frankenstien (a severely underrated movie in my opinion), so it's understandable people don't call him that
B:) that was rather the point, I think.
@@davidspring4003
A.) No, he was first called "Adam" by Mary Shelley in her letters.
B.) Actually, the point that MS intended was that man should not try to imitate God.
I always liked him to be named Zuriel Frankenstein for a couple reasons. I was introduced to comics by Grant Morrison's JLA and he was one of my favorite characters and the monster was religious; having learning how to read by going over a copy of Paradise Lost over and over again and Zuriel was the name of an angel who took on mortal flesh and that's real fitting for him. But I see why Adam fits better.
A) The creature was never actually called Adam in the book (only compared himself to the biblical figure), so insisting that is his true name in order to show off that you have read her letters on the subject is kind of even worse than saying "Frankenstein was the scientist".
B) The creature was certainly sympathetic. And Victor was certainly a coward and all around jerk, and never took responsibility for his own actions even when he knew it would hurt others. But the creature murdered 3 innocent people, including a small child, and also framed an innocent woman for the child's murder, just to hurt Victor. And he also demands Victor build him a woman to be his mate with no thought to her having free will or a choice in the matter. So... I'm going to have to disagree on Victor being the "true monster".
"Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein wasn't the monster, wisdom is knowing he was the monster."
So does that mean that the monster was the monster, that the monster was the creator, that the creator was the monster, that the creator was the creator, or that Frankenstein was Frankenstein?
Jonathan Szuhai yes
@@Bauglir100 philosophy
"knowledge is knowing Frankenstein wasn't the monster, wisdom is knowing that he was"
Not repeating the word monster cleans up the quote, maybe im wrong but thats also just how I always remember it.
@@Bauglir100It means Victor Frankenstein was more of a metaphorical monster than the literal monster he created
"the best way to aliviate that stress is lots and lots of smoking around sensitive equipment. I mean it worked out so well for Jay Garrick."
well he became the fastest man in Earth-2, so yeah, I guess it did.
Play with my speed force
“…A Name Which Is Destined To Become - IMMORTAL!”
No, that’s not until 2018.
The Gargoyle was working for the Russians when he was a scientist. When he decided to be good looking but less smart, he joined the Americans. Well done.
Didn’t Gargoyle team up with The Leader? He needs to be in the MCU... although that big green head’ll need 2 b CGI
@@idongesitusen5764 I think the Gargoyle and the Leader being allies is exclusive to only the 1996 tv series.
Apparently it's no longer a current usage, but the term "gargoyle" was used as an insulting description of a person, essentially meaning "grotesquely ugly", as well as "decorative monster on a medieval church" (which in turn really didn't have a single standard appearance, no matter what the "Gargoyles" cartoon may have told us)
New favorite visual pun: The "F" Bomb.
Betty: "Hey Dad, I just had a horrible thought. What if both of us turned into red variations of Hulk and She-Hulk?"
Thaddeus: "Well, that'd just be kinda stupid, honey."
I was laughing my ass off.
Did that actually happen?
@@jeremyusreevu237
Right at the end.
23:37 The "portrait of another bald guy" is obviously Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the USSR at the time.
Even more sympathetic is the Mary Shelly's version of the monster. He learns language and poetry during his time alone by spying on a french family. One day he attempts to contact them and they attack him and afterwards people constantly try to kill him because of his appearance. He finally decides to become the monster everyone says he is and attacks his creator's family.
That is a common misconception held by all truly stupid people.
Anthony Barratt I mean some would argue the creator is the monster but that's hardly the point.
The creature compares himself to Adam (specifically Adam in *Paradise Lost*) at one point but no one ever gives him a name (the lack of social interaction IS his problem after all) and he uses "I" when talking about himself (duh).
Adam is a first name, so it doesn't speak to surname at all. The tradition with surnames is that offspring take the name of the father. If he is life created by Frankenstein, his last name would also be Frankenstein. If he then chooses to add the first name Adam, that has no effect on has last name.
Trevin Taylor in the book though he didn't eaven see him as his son though
"What if you forgot to carry the 2?"
Either Linkara read "Incredible Hulk: Tempest Fugit"... or that is the most amazing of coincidences.
Banner became the Hulk because he forgot to carry a 2 in obscure equation
@@snakes3425 wasn't there a story in marvel where a bunch of peoples secrets got revealed and banner got in a fight with Tony because what was revealed made him think he was reponsible?
@@__-dr5vm It's called Original Sin. Speaking of Original Sin, did Linkara ever review it? And if he didn't review it yet, does he plan on reviewing it?
Hulk is hands down my fav Marvel Superhero. Not just cause of his strength or the smashing (tho that is fun) but just because of how unique of a superhero he is. He’s not some tight wearing (most of the time) cape flying, pure heart. He’s a mentally tortured scientist who can destroy everyone if he’s not careful and becomes one of the strongest humans on the planet.
Revisiting this story after the reading the first arc of "Immortal Hulk" is surprisingly haunting. Retcon done right.
I like the MCU origin. Bruce was trying to duplicate the whole Captain America formula thing, and he got the serum wrong, but no one could figure out just what the hell "Vita-Rays" were, so he thought they might be Gamma rays, but it didn't quite go as planned. Still, the use of the serum provides a nice explanation for how he survived and everything.
That was actually taken from the Ultimate version; Ultimate Marvel tried to tie all superheroes back to Captain America (a theory that worked well for Hulk and Spider-man but was just cringe-worthy when applied to the X-Men).
thegreatunnamedone true that ruined them
TheSefirosu200x you’re talking about The Incredible Hulk, right?
@@jamesadamsfl yeesh. At least mcu balanced out and didnt tie them all to him… (i dont count captain marvel due to so many timeline hiccups it cant be canon in my eyes. Plus it would mean we tyin everythin to her, aka just copyin the ultimate universe thing)
Thats from the Ultimate Universe
In fairness to the 1978 series, they were trying to make the Hulk into a heavily dramatic show. That meant that they had to try and make it a plausible as possible. Sure they still had a hulking green monster, but that's the furthest they went. There were no supervillains or Hulkbusters or other heroes (aside from those god awful crossovers where Hulk met Thor and Daredevil). Just a man trying to rid himself of his monstrous half. Also, with the budget they had, there was no way that they could recreate the origin scene from the comic without it looking stupid as all hell.
No need to be fair the the TV series. It was just a direct copy of the TV series "The Fugitive". They just changed the reason he's on the run and who is chasing him, but the plot is otherwise exactly the same.
@@arashimiyazawa8165 So, it was still cool. Denis Leary ripped off a lot of Bill Hicks material, but that doesn't mean he's not a great comedian.
@@arashimiyazawa8165 okay I dont remember a green monster being in the fugitive
@@jadenbryant9283 And not to mention fought alongside a viking with an electric hammer, and a blind guy whose other senses are very beyond sensation.
@@MrBlueSkyof1607 that too
It's super hilarious in hindsight to see this comic saying that "The Hulk" is destined to become immortal.
good insight, I hate it when people tell me that comic books are "realistic." If they were realistic I wouldn't read them. I like to escape reality when I read comics.
Thank you. I hate people who think all movies need to be realistic. Movies are meant to be an escape from reality. Now, this doesn't mean movies can't have rules, but sometimes, you need to suspend disbelief when watching a film.
I’m fine with realistic, but I get mad whenever people assume “everyone acting like jerks” is realistic.
15:27
And yet it would be about 50 years before "The Immortal Hulk" was a thing.
Look who's here!!!!!
15:33 One of the funny things about the bkurb saying that the name Hulk will become "immortal" is that the most recent run of Hulk comics is called "The Immortal Hulk."
“And thus, a name is given to Bruce Banner’s other self, a name which is destined to become...IMMORTAL!” No doubt foreshadowing Hulk’s latest comic book series “The Immortal Hulk.” 😎
Iron Fist: “Dude! Not cool. You already have your own sobriquet, don’t take mine!”
Linkara- Also if you don't want it to be like a comic book,than maybe you shouldn't adapt a comic book character.
Me - I've been saying that for years.
Someone needs to tell that to... like, EVERYBODY adapting comic books.
I love how Linkara’s effect for Gamma radiation is the exact same one they used in the movie! XD
the 2003 movie to be exact. the 2008 movie uses the TV show origin I think.
Well, the Nostalgia Critic DID say you could literally find it in Photoshop.
Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde + Frankensteins Monster + Wolf Man =
Hulk
SolidMike84 plus hulk
+Quasimodo=Hulk
23:44- Linkara, that bald guy happened to be Khrushchev.
Yes, nice to see that somebody else got that too.
It's times like these where I remember the Gargoyle was voiced once upon a time by Mark Hamill.
One of those early characters that has remained "dead" dead in comics too.
"How did the Soviets lose if they have mind control guns?"
Oh, you know how it is with dictators. You make one crack about Stalin's mustache and suddenly you and everything you've ever done in life are on the "no longer exists" list. The guy's lucky Stalin didn't walk in five minutes earlier, when they were doing their routine about Stalin's tiny . . . piano player.
I'd pay to Tommy Waisseu as the Hulk.
+Ice Climber I think that would work too well "You are tearing me apart Betty!"
YASS!
sillygrl23 YES!
It's "Wiseau", guys. "Wiseau".
"Hulk did not hit her. It not true! It bullshit! Hulk did not hit her. Hulk did naaaaaht! O hai, Mark."
To draw conclusions of Adam Frankenstein's role as a victim in the story of Frankenstein, one only needs to refer to the original book. Unlike the lumbering degenrate of the movie, the original book had Adam show moderate to above intellect (Ability to not only read, but also reason philosophies of life) and able to fully communicate with Victor in perfect english. Right after the whole "Tampering with sciences that should not be charted," prejudice and the cycle of hatred is the biggest theme of the story and some could argue (Myself included) that it was even the main theme of the story, taking up so much of the narrative and the drive behind it's story, where as the science was more of a foundation that brought us to where the story of prejudice and hatred needed to go.
Honestly, I, Frankenstien (the story that gives him his first name) probably was better at giving him his character from the book than the movies.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and say that the victims of the story are the innocent people the creature killed just to hurt Victor. Yes, the creature is sympathetic and yes, he was abandoned and unfairly hated, and his actions are clearly in response to that abuse. And Victor is a fairly unsympathetic coward who fails to take responsibility for his actions. But can we please remember the creature's response was to murder a small child with his bare hands?
@@davidspring4003 Actually, the Creature was called "Adam" by Mary Shelley herself when she spoke of the book in her letters.
@@2wingo I didn't know that. Thank you!
Although Victor’s self-centered egoism is also important enough to be considered a story theme too. It’s the reason he made Adam, the reason he rejected him (I think?), the reason he never told anyone about it even after it killed his brother, framed his adopted sister for it, and why he lets her get executed despite knowing for certain she’s innocent, which leads his girlfriend to kill herself.
9:02
Did you know that as the first nuclear bomb was being prepped there was an active bet, that the fire nuke would cause the air all over the would to ignite and kill everyone. They felt 99% sure that wouldn't happen... but could you imagine being one of those scientist, thinking about how all life could be destroyed in a second and this general comes in and basically says "NERDS!!!! JUST BLOW IT UP SO I CAN GET MY ROCKS OFF!"
The pentagon stopped the Manhattan Project until they could confirm or refute Teller's calculations: they'd have let the Nazis win if he'd been right.
Immortal Hulk brought back the "Hulk coming out at night" thing.
You know what's funny no one in the command bunker seemed to notice that Banner was missing or heard him shout for the countdown to be halted
+snakes3425
Honestly, he's a douchebag. He always eats other people's lunches in the base's fridge and stuff.
Hulk's actually my favorite Marvel hero
I ALWAYS hated Betty's father and it's SOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD to see my hatred for him justifiable. I KNEW he almost blew his daughter up due to his own hubris and then blamed Bruce for it! I KNEW IT!
Actually, there is precedent for Ross to just assume the G-Bomb was just another bomb, at the initial tests most people except those who built the thing assumed it was just a really big bomb.
Insert Beverly's father from Stephen King's IT here. Seriously, the way he asks what's on her mind makes me think of Beverly's father saying "I worry about you, Bev. I worry a Lot." before smacking her around because she got a poem in the mail from the new kid in school and in this scenario, Bruce is Ben, Betty's Beverly and General Ross (whom I like to call General Scrotumface but I'll restrict myself from using that because it might be offensive to you if I use it often in the comments) is Bev's father.
With all of the many, many Hulk personas in Banner's head, my favorite is still the classic Savage Hulk. Joe Fixit's a close second.
For me, Devil Hulk
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Rick Jones: HEY LOOK AT YOU-- YOU'VE CHANGED!
Linkara: Rick Jones, proud graduate of the NO FREAKING DUH! School of Observational Study
WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!
(dramatic turn)
Should we do something?
We Should do something!
Should we do Something?
YES YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING YOU BORING IDIOTS!!
9:10 - ... wow. So many DOOM references. I love this channel.
15:25 - Oh my god that text is hilarious looking back.
I find that line of narration "Immortal" Hilariously ironic! And anyone whose been reading the current Hulk comic will no doubt know what I mean by Hilariously ironic! Ha
Yeah
Appropriate, maybe prophetic, but not ironic. It being Ironic would be if the Hulk never appeared again after the first eight issues and fell into obscurity.
@@JaelinBezel *6
11:07 Ha! Read The Incredible Hulk Vol 2 Issue 81 and that joke takes a whole new meaning.
Year?
Stan Lee really, REALLY had a thing about radiation in the 60s...
15:32 Amazing how this actually happened
Ladies and gentlemen, Captain Obvious, aka Rick Jones.
I read that the tv series changed the origin because the budget didn't allow for the big military experiment angle.
Gonna have to correct you here Linkara, Jekyll & Hyde were _not_ split personnalities in the novel. "Hyde" was just Jekyll free of all his morals, all his self-inflicted restrictions and all his qualms - a chemical secret identity to quote someone. The in-novel-universe explanation for Hyde's younger age is that Jekyll spent so much time restraining himself that his other identity is younger.
So, yeah. Jekyll & Hyde is basically one dude creating a magic potion to free himself of Victorian morals... and fighting the addiction to dive back into this free but unhinged state. The problem is that Jekyll got so used to this that (personnal interpretation here) euphoria that he "transformed" into Hyde without needing any potion.
And the only time he was referred to as two separate entities was when he was running low on the formula to turn back and had different reactions to it, Jekyll resigned to hus fate and Hyde botched about it
What do I take to heart from this are ten simple words...
"Now ur a man! A man, man, man, man, man!!"
Lmfao lol hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa
15:31 At the time that I am writing this comment the Hulk editorial name is "THE IMMORTAL HULK ". Hindsight is weird.
Al Ewing I feel is taking The Hulk back to this version. The way he about humans the way he only comes out at night.
it's Uncanny in How The Original Hulk looks like Solomon Grundy?
Google Bruce Timm's Marvel art, to further your point
I mean, there were the Amalgam comics where he and Solomon were combined to be the Skulk.
Nobody tosses out an insult like Kerr Avon.
From the future here, what’s funny is that the hulk’s origin will get a semi supernatural bend to it.
In Original Sin we find out that Banner did in fact fuck up his calculations, and would have killed the entire West Coast. A blackout drunk pre-Iron Man Tony worked on the bomb and fixed it so it did what it did during this issue.
This is true
3:11-3:28 Good point, but the Hulk series was awesome. It was an interesting thriller with a cool plot.
I think the reason for Bruce going out to save the boy instead of getting a guard to do it may have been Ross's rant at him not being manly enough for his taste it's probably true that if you insult someone's manhood they will probably go out of their way to show it the first chance they get even without realising it if that theory holds water for anyone who reads this you could say that ross was the one who created the hulk that he became obsessed with and cost him virtually everything.
Sounds like Marty Mcfly's problem with being called a coward.
Rick: What did it feel like? Being the Hulk? I bet it was a gas!
Earlier, he was backhand slapped by Hulk like a lady being slapped by her pimp
Well this was the 60’s so…her husband.
Screw regulationSuddenly Thunderbolt Ross becoming Red Hulk makes perfect sense
12:58 And according to more recent runs of The Hulk apparently Gamma rays come from hell or something!
Nice reference with Son of Frankenstein, however I go off of the book. To me, he's still Frankenstein's Monster.
Also 'Adam'
I AGREE;
ACCORDING TO THE OG SOURCE MATERIAL BY MARY SHELLEY; THE MONSTER DOESN'T HAVE A NAME;
ERGO; IT'S FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER; BECAUSE FRANKENSTEIN IS THE NAME OF THE DOCTOR WHO MADE THE ICONIC MONSTER!!
Yup, trying to prove his point by quoting a film adaptation that made changes to the book is a fallacy on Lewis' part to begin with.
If Mary Shelley didn't call the creature by his maker's name, which she didn't, then that's what counts.
Just one example why it's a fallacy: One could claim the Bible says that Satan was present as a snake at the Passion of Christ because that shitty Mel Gibson movie shows it (if I remember correctly, I only watched that garbage once a long time ago). The Bible actually does NOT say this at all, nowhere in any of the Gospels. No snake, no Satan in attendance. Just that antisemitic piece of shit's additions to the story, because he's such a super-Catholic in his own mind that he knows better than the Gospels.
You blew an opportunity to use the "I AM A MAN! (punch)" gag after the Gargoyle became a man again.
Fairly sure the creature was called Adam in the book due to the religious subtext. Popular culture went for his creator's name, but it also dictates that werewolves are killed with silver (it came out with Lon Chaney's werewolf movie) and that wasn't really a thing in the original legends. So there. Back to the video with thee!
Also, vampires burning in sunlight was pretty much invented by Hollywood. In most of the myths, they were at most only weakened by it, but Arabic (I think) vampires got STRONGER in sunlight.
The line in the book was something along the lines of "behold the Adam of your labors." The monsters never called himself Adam in the book, and Frankenstein was also the title of the book to begin with
9:37 “Bruce Banner is one of our most famous scientist” yeah cause screw Reed Richards am I right? Lol
Reminds me of when in issue 2 alien Toad Men came to earth and used "magnetic grapplers" to identify the world's "most brilliant scientific brain." The person talking about this comic said "...so take that Reed Richards!": www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/hulk_2.shtml
Ten years of the review of the hulk’s first appearance
"Looking like Yul Brynner for five minutes is worth dying for!"
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall According to Marvel Comics: The Untold Story, many people criticized the Hulk as being a rip-off of the giant monster stories Jack Kirby was doing for Marvel pre-Fantastic Four.
Well there Jack Kirby I believe had a creature called the Living Hulk in one of those pre-Fantastic Four Stories, and they simply recycled the name thinking no one would remember the other one.
I actually can see Tommy Wiseau as the Hulk. lol.
WISEAU SMASH!!!!!
+shadowlinkbds YOU ARE TEARING ME APART WISEAU! BLAAARGH! *is ded*
I just discovered one Of Tommy Wiseau’s most dramatic 🎭 and compelling lines…
“YOU BITCH!!!!!”
If I see one advantage to the TV show origin, it's that it doesn't date it the way the comic origin does. Nuclear bomb tests aren't done anymore, lab experiments are.
*advantage?
23:10 Examples of good material for this joke:
1. Anime.
2. Marville.
3. Seltzerberg.
4. Twilight.
5. Any reality show
6. Dane Cook.
7. Amy Schumer.
I think when people criticize how Frankenstein isn't the name of the monster, those people are mainly referring to the original Mary Shelley book, where there was no biological connection between Victor Frankenstein and the creature he created, but I still agree with your take on how the monster has since become known as Frankenstein himself as a result of how he's portrayed in the Universal movies.
8:13 I mean... it did. He got superpowers from it that made his life better.
i dont make errors igor because im a science major
Banner: I don't make mistakes Igor
Even from day one Banner had an ego.
it's actually rather fitting that Banner became the only victim of the G-Bomb given he intended it to be mass produced and used on cities, and later in Hulk Grey he says he could've used his genius to find a cure for cancer and instead like Tony Stark he devoted himself to making weapons.
Yes!
Linkara ROCKS!
15:22
‘Roll credits!’
You know it's just like with the bald general from Mars Attacks.
I prefer setting off G-Spots instead of G-Bombs...
Lewis the book is the only Frankenstein canon that should matter
I like that the drawing on the cover actually sort of makes it look like he has a bolt on his neck. If you're going for Frankensteain, a la the horror films, that's a good way to do it.
Also, is the G-Bomb powered by G-string theory?
Crap, if Tony is responsible for transistors, does that mean he's going to start confiscating all technology based on them as part of an arc where he takes responsibility for that which he wrought on the world?
...and ends up freeing most prisoners because much of our modern security technology relies on it? Hey, there's an interesting analogue....
15:32 on my God, immortal hulk was set up from his first issue.
Oh shit this way to true
Hell Yeah!!!
Fiercely recommend people pick up Immortal Hulk.
10:52 THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!!! DOO DOO, DOO!!! DUN DUN DUNUNUNU!!! THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!!!!
WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!!!!!
SHOULD WE DO SOMETHING!?!?
WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!!!!!
Well you may have the movies on your side, I have the book on my side Frankenstein's monster's name was actually Adam
20:27 "Cavalry charge!? I'm not THAT old!"
tbh Linkara, yeah the movie called him Frankenstein, but that makes no sense and is pretty stupid that the scientist would name his monster exactly his name. Plus it was someone else in the movie thats NOT Dr. Frankenstein and DIDN"T create it that called the monster Frankenstein
JMtheSmartAlec well Frankenstein is technically his surname since as much Victor would like to deny it he fathered the monster and children usually take on the parents name
Well the creature considered Frankenstein to be his father, and don't children usually take the same surname as their father?
Bruce Banner's full name is Robert Bruce Banner and has been for as long as I can remember, even back to the older silver age marvel comics. David is actually Banner's birth name, named after his real father. I don't know how many of the comics you have read as I don't know how much of a fan you are of the Incredible Hulk, but that is how it is. David Bruce Banner was the alias he went by for a while to disassociate himself from himself. There are lots of people out there who go by their middle names.
But both of these things were retcons. His first name became "Robert" when Stan Lee misremembered Bruce name as "Bob" in one comic, and later explained it as his full name being Robert Bruce Banner. And the "David" birth name was a reference to the show. The reason he was called David on the show was because the producer thought that superheroes having alliterative names was a corny idea.
2:57 Ironic, despite all the criticism, The Hulk (2003) is the only movie adaptation that came close to the comic book origin. While it change the "gamma bomb" to "gamma ray device" it did capture one key aspect of the origin that the TV show the MCU lacked: Banner suffering his accident after trying to save an innocent, rather than just testing on himself.
This aspect helps to make Hulk's origin more tragic and already establish Bruce's character as selfless person, willing to sacrifice himself for others.
I love the Gray Hulk! In my opinion Peter David was the Timothy Zahn of his Generation! Taking an old universe and made it New!
Peter David: One of the Best of the Best in the Comics Industry
"What am i sitting on? Oh a box of soap" You do soap boxes well
26:50
Just wait, Betty Ross. Just wait and see...
Who is weirder Tommy Weiseou, or tumpenstein? That's way too many vowels that I got wrong
Ok I have a question. In the amazing show Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes they did something I'd never seen before. They kinda gave Hulk and Banner a split personality spin. In one of the first episodes Hulk has a conversation with a hallucination of Banner, and that is what convinces him to go help the Avengers. And many times in the show it shows Hulk and Banner conversing. Was this ever done in the comics, or was this a TV only thing?
IT did happen in the comics, since the 70's. Last time it happen was in Planet Hulk.
Thanks
17:41 Bruce! You is a waerwelf!
The box of soap killed me! 😂😂😂
This was probably one of my favorite title cards so far.
I wonder if that general is somehow related to Gem and Gemma... >.>
The way I see the Grey Hulk is that he's the part of Banner's mind that's sick and tired of Banner letting people walk all over him and not standing up for himself
Joe Fixit in a nutshell.
"Cavalry charges haven't been very useful since 1914. Just how old do you think I am, Betty?"
Linkara will shout, "If you don't want to make something comic book-y, maaaaaaaaybe don't base it on a COMIC BOOK!"
And Todd Phillips will whisper, "No."
I remember in the 1966 adaptation, which basically seemed like they were adding some movement to the original comics, the Gargoyle was called something like the Gorgon and he was orange instead.
No wonder when I was a little kid, I always thought Hulk was casual Friday Frankenstein!
Notice how Linkara doesn't know that the Gargoyle is cursing out then Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev.