So Dick Grayson originally met Batman before Bruce Wayne after all.... and Frank Miller actually did his homework. BUT HE STILL FAILED BIG TIME!!! Here, Batman is treating Dick like a boy who's been through a lot and he genuinely wants to help. He's not trying to draft him into some war. He's just trying to protect a witness and a boy who's gone through the same horrible experience as him. This is the Batman we know and love.
@emptyglass7867 I try to avoid replying to comments that are years old, because you never know if someone's mind might've changed by the time you read it. This is not one of those times. ASBR still sucks.
Actually Robin Hood dressed in red... not only do the tales state "He cloathed his men in Lincoln green And himself in scarlet red", but "Lincoln green" is a mistranslation of "Lincoln graine"... a red dye. Basically, Robin Hood wore red, his merry men wore red and Robin wearing red ties him to Robin Hood perfectly. :P
From what I understand, Will Scarlet (also Will Scathelock, Will Scadlock and Will Shacklock) is originally a middle-aged character with a love of fine clothes, neither his name nor clothing associated with red, later versions have him as a younger character with a love of red silk.. I think the silk is meant to be the distinguishing feature... though at this point the name/colour association may have been set. I don't claim 100% confidence as there IS a Lincoln Green & a Lincoln Grayne (red) historically, the article I originally read stated that the earlier versions were specifically "grayne"... but I am not confident enough with my source to shout someone else down.
"Batman thinks back to the time when his parents too, were innocent victims of a criminal" "My parents too were killed by a criminal" That's kind of redundant writing and unfortunately a little funny. It's like Batman meets Peppa Pig.
It's very much how Stan Lee wrote comics in the early 60s, as well. It was never enough to see Spider-Man swinging through a window...there always had to be some purple prose about how he was swinging through the window, and hopefully, a startled bystander nearby to use their speech bubble to proclaim 'Look! Spider-Man's swinging through that window!'
Oddly enough, Zucco didn't get the chair. He was still alive(in prison)just before COIE. Because he took a dip in "the stream of ruthlessness", which deprives a person of a conscience, Dick was going to take revenge, once and for all. This was in INFINITY INC. #2
Sidekicks were important as they provided a character the audience could identify with, as back then the main heroes were perfect and godlike. Readers weren't supposed to identify with Batman, but look up to him. That's why we needed a Robin. Now, with heroes humanised, like in Year One, there is no need for a new character whose sole purpose this.
@@mitchfletcher2386 What makes Bratpack unsettling, is that the idea of a costumed adult training a child to go out to go out and fight crime in tights is akin to a child soldier. That is, if you stop and think about it, you have to imagine how that would look in the real world. Not to mention how a kid at the age of 12 would have to endure having to beat people up and getting beaten everyday of the week. That is some PTSD for ya.
Yeah, people also said Robin was useless in the 60s Batman show, but from what I've seen from the first 4 (or 8) episodes, he's been pretty damn helpful.
i think the reason batman, robin, and capt marvel( who I mentally call captain thunder now), were so willing to kill their enemies because the " no killing code" was almost purely a product of the comics code. even the heroes who did have the code before then, I think the writers did that less for moral reasons, and more because of economics, the concept was probably introduced just so writers wouldn't have to come up with new villains every month, and only later that a lot of writers started to care about characters having moral standards. it was the 1930's I guess life was considered cheap back then, especially criminals:(.
Kris Lundell actually Batman’s no killing rule was well before the comics it was because of mother’s but his no killing rule was made about 10 years before the CCA
+TheSkully343 Although Robin will end up liking that kind of music and supporting some dumbass that may or may not be Firebrand from Battle for Bludhaven. :P
"What was Batman doing before this?" In his first multi issue storyline, he literally snaps a guy's neck by swinging in and kicking and a latter story (he first with an actual supervillain) has him fighting a vampire. I'm not kidding about that last one.
I think the reason for Robin was to allow the kids reading the comics to feel like they could be in the stories and help Batman themselves, and back in the forties the idea of a young child helping Bats in his war on crime, didn’t exactly make sense, but was more accepted. It helps the Silver Age came immediately after. He’s also essentially Batman’s Watson. I guess Robin has stuck because of his iconography because otherwise, I doubt he’d still be around as Batman’s sidekick. Thing is, I doubt a book starring teen superheroes would do as well in the days he was created.
I think it was Jason Todd who said he wore" pixie boots" and trunks to look younger and misdirect the enemy into thinking he was a harmlessly little kid who couldn't be perceived as a threat
23:57 "Detective Comics and all related characters and media are property of Marvel" You have made a single mistake. I shall now sit back here and laugh at you. Ha. Ha. Ha.
3:42-3:49 That's how Junior from the Smokey and The Bandit series got created. Junior wasn't originally going to be in the film, but Jackie Gleason wanted someone for Buford to play off of.
@@dreamlandnightmare the whole reason robin exists is because people didnt like batman alone lmao The batfam is the best part of batman besides the murder mysteries cause those are pretty good
@@Dave-mh3oi And when a property does things to pander to fan whims, it's usually a bad thing. From what I know, Robin was introduced to appeal to the younger readers. Back in the day, every superhero had to have a youth sidekick. (E.g., Bucky Barnes for Captain America.) Burton's Batman and Chris Nolan's Batman are 100% fine without Robin. They are, by far, my two favorite interpretations of the Caped Crusader.
In response to using sidekicks as a way to give kids someone to relate to, J. Michael Straczynski actually had an interesting point. It was something along the lines of "When I was a kid, I looked up to Batman, because he was someone I could eventually be. Robin was a pain in the ass, because he's already doing all that stuff, and I couldn't."
"Back in my day, Batman was calling people retarded before Frank Miller wrote him as amazing as he did! Batman's car is gay!" Yeah, that would be depressing...
I'm not sure why Bruce saw fit to teach a twelve year old boxing with the intention of him using it to beat up adults. Surely a fighting style less dependent on direct physical force and the ability to take a punch would be more appropriate... like Judo or Tai Chi.
Ironically, a retelling of this story would have been a great All-Star Batman tale, and perhaps in some twisted way, Miller's ASBAR started its life as exactly that.
My personal theory as to why there's a lack of Kid sidekicks these days in mainstream comics is a matter of logic. If you were an experienced crime-fighter, with several villains out for your blood, do you really think that you should be the person to take on a younger, less skilled, more naive kid as an apprentice? I mean unless you're the type of guy that thinks he could use a nearby meat-shield. OH LORD, people complain about the 90's yet Robin and Batman going around murdering people like this went unchallenged in the 40's? The times they are a change'n. Speaking of murderous people in costumes is it just me or when Robin and Batman smile, does anyone else get reminded of the Comedian? Yet I'm betting stuff like this was what inspired that wacko. Honestly I'm more surprised at the lack of Robin Hood Men in Tights jokes here more then anything. Next week, as long as we don't have Sean Connery trying to create a weather machine to take over the world I think we'll be fine.
+1TrulyMad I don't know the sidekick had that nice changing of the guard vibe but that's kind of gone when heroes don't die. Because what happens if the villain out for your blood finally do you in if there is no one to take back the mantle?
Oh good god... oh Lewis... I can't I just can't... The Fucking Batman Mask you wore.... I almost peed like 5 times when I saw that thing..... I think omy heart stoppped from laughing too hard. That thhing was glorious, especially with you managing to put your hat overtop the ears.....
I don't really get the joke about Dick's older brother. Is it supposed to be a reference to Jason Todd who started out as a blatant copy-paste of Dick?
Batman procuring evidence that he KNOWS will get the criminal a death sentence. So I guess the bat-branding in Batman v Superman actually has some precedent... :S
Well, in the movie it was implied that Batman had become unsympathetic to criminals after so many years of fighting crime with little to show for it that he almost just didn't care anymore, thus why even after the branded criminals are being killed in prison because of their brands he doesn't stop doing it. That's part of his arc throughout the movie. He starts off as bitter and cruel because of all he's been through but near the end he starts to become more of the hero he used to be, Superman causing him to realize how much he'd allowed his darkness to consume him.
Alexander Sigstad oh look, another BVS apologist. I'm guessing you also hate Civil War even though the characters in it actually have a legitimate reason to be fighting each other unlike the piece of shit movie you like.
Furious Sherman Actually Civil War is my favorite of the Marvel movies and I like the good majority of those movies, the Cap trilogy being my favorites. I like BvS's ultimate cut a lot but I can still admit it has problems. It's just those problems don't ruin the film for me and I can understand and appreciate why the movie did some of the things it did, even if not all the choices worked out or were played out as much as they should have been.
Other characters who actually became noted in 1940 you could have used for that joke on Robin being the character find of 1940: Hildy Johnson, His Girl Friday - 4 Woody Woodpecker - 3 Tom and Jerry - 1 Horton the Elephant, Horton Hatches the Egg - 2 John Singer, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter - 6 Robert Jordan, For Whom the Bell Tolls - 5 Art Croft, The Ox-Bow Incident - 7
3:09- But since the release of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Bill Finger finally got his co-created credit. I can never get over what I like to call "Bat-kara."
I just wanted to say that it is cool to see another fan of Kamala Khan who has become one of my favorites of the younger heroes in Marvel along with Gwenpool too. It is pretty interesting that Robin is still pretty much the only younger hero that is still a sidekick because now it seems like now most younger heroes are now working on their own or with a team made of younger heroes like them.
6:33 actually they did. These books were sold on newsstands and only the top half of the magazines would have been visible to the customer. There were no spinner racks, no small section at the Rite-Aid or 7/11. This magazine and many others would have been crowded in a 4-6 foot wide sectional box, many periodicals would have been there and all of them had larger than life typefaces and fonts to grab the attention of buyers. Seeing the larger title would make it easier for customers to see and for the proprietor of the stands when sorting. Another reason could have been to hide the comics from more prudish customers that would have found such material as trash, so this would have eliminated the questioning and finger pointing.
zrlap heh. Dc (about or to frank miller): you used to write good stories in the 80’s, haven’t written a good story since, each story since is becoming more political and crazy and insulting racially and otherwise, you are the perfect writer to keep on
You know something funny? This comic came out in April 1940 with the debut of Dick's parents. You know something else? The Batman's origins wouldn't be revealed until may 25th 1940. This means the sidekick got an earlier origin story than perhaps the most famous fictional character of all time.
Linkara, every time I see a video of yours, I find myself liking you more and more. And the fact that you played "Seize the Day" from Newsies has made me respect you more as a Broadway man myself...not to mention managing to tie it into the comic. Thanks again for the entertainment. Also, I was wondering if you could do a Top Ten List of the dumbest things superheroes have done. I was thinking of the story where Superman adopting Jimmy Olsen (Jimmy Olsen #30) as well as "The Batman Plays A Lone Hand", since I thought he could have just told Dick what the problem was and saved them a lot of trouble. Thanks again! :)
One factor I can attribute to the decline of superhero side-kicks is Rick Veitch's Bratpack. Bratpack is an underrated graphic novel which not only examines the sidekick trope, but presents it in a bleak and dirty fashion. This is also done in a mean spirited manner as well.
Wait, you hadn't watched ATLA by this episode? Have you watched it now? I'm curious because there's a comic series continuing where the show left off that's really interesting. I'd try for a patreon spot for it if you've seen the show. It has some major spoilers, so I wouldn't try for it if you still haven't watched the TV series though.
I think sidekicks are a good starting point for characters, but it's only really good as a temporary position. The internship of comic book heroes. Get the experience and build your pathos alongside someone else, but eventually it feels like you're just holding the character back from reaching full potential by needing to keep him as only a secondary piece to someone else. No, what seems to be an unfortunate rarity with comic books (A potentially uninformed opinion on my end with my lack of comic reading) is the superhero duo. Where 1 isn't the sidekick of another. Just simply 2 equal heroes that work together and are inseparable (As in, they hardly do work seperately). Usually when heroes team up, it's groups with an average of 5 characters and those relations twist and turn along the path with some dropping off and new inclusions. While I can think about a few examples (Hawk and Dove come to mind), it seems to be a less popular trend than alot of others. I dunno, it might be my facination with comedies, but I admire the idea of the duo. 2 likeminded opposites that fill one another's existances.
As much as I love the adolescent sidekick trope, It does stand on some shaky moral ground. I mean, Batman is definitely guilty of reckless endangerment of a minor!
1:46 Someone needs to get on Linkara's Patreon and tell him to review a Ms. Marvel comic. Not only are they pretty good, but they also fill a disturbingly empty niche: A form of media that portrays Muslims in a positive light. Kamala Khan's family, while moderately old-fashioned and strict, are caring, compassionate, intelligent, and understanding, Kamala Khan herself is a mixture of energy, fun, the hectic life of teenage Spider-Man, and modern day teen issues presented in a well-executed superhero manner, and the rest of the cast are also likeable and smart. Her villains are cooky, but in a good way, and they actually bring up thought-provoking stuff (one of her first enemies was a clone with a cockatoo head who called himself Thomas Edison and who wanted to plug teens up to machines to supply free energy because he saw them as a detriment to society), and the characters have good development as well. There hasn't been such positively portrayed Muslim characters in popular media since the CBC TV show "Little Mosque On The Prairie". Linkara could use the Ms. Marvel comics as a counterpoint to the hatred and racism shown in Holy Terror.
If you haven't read the Agent Grayson comics, I actually highly recommend them. I personally really enjoyed them and I'm not just saying that due to Nightwing bias. In fact, I started out very pessimistic about the idea. But from the moment I read the first issue, I was hooked and quite frankly, I'm actually gonna be sad to see it go after May (But at the same time, I can't wait to see Richard take the Nightwing persona again). As much as a lot of the New 52 was primarily poorly received, the "Grayson" comics were among the great things to come out of The New 52. The writing talent of Tim Seeley and Tom King is really easy to read but can also be quite clever. Not to mention that Tom King himself was actually a Secret Agent back in the day. In fact, his writing was so well received that he is now writing for Batman in Rebirth (And Tim Seeley for Nightwing Rebirth respectively). It's also worth a mention that Mikél Janin's art is borderline on par with Jim Lee (In my opinion). Honestly, I'd recommend it to anyone. Give them a go if you haven't already. They've already been compiled into 2 volumes if you want to test them out.
Only One Year since Detective #27, and actually batman wore no gloves in his second appearance and then got the blue gloves in the third (they have suction cups on them)
Fox: Some one may have told u since this first aired, but Agent Venom ( Flash Thomson with Symbiote), actually had a side kick, until the book was canceled (at least I believe it was canceled )
@@millernumber1 They brought Grayson into the opposite of what the Nightwing book had been up to that point. They were thinking readers would stop caring about Grayson if he was in some spy book, but the readers kept buying the book to support the character.
One of my favorite robins is Tim drake aka robin because he was so awesome and badass in the pre 52 universe that it hurt me that's his status as robin is broken thanks to the new 52 bullshit but that's just my opinion and plus thanks to DC rebirth restoration of the DC universe I get the feeling that Tim drake status as robin is going to get restored soon hopefully
Huge missed joke opportunity at 18:35 where it looks like the bat is talking instead of Zucco about being the boss. A mistake I made the first time I read this comic when I was a kid, since clearly the bat is the true kingpin of Gotham crime.
now we know what happen to Jason red candle when lord zedd tried draining the other rangers powers Zucco reminds me of that giant fat guy from Disturbed 'the land of confusion' music video
14:00 Are you deliberately misunderstanding the jiu jitsu panel? Seems clear that Batman is teaching Robin how to flip a larger opponent. It's not a real throw, but it seems to be the over-the-top judo flip that TV & movies love so much.
Spacing between words is important... "That amazing, weird figure of night, at last takes under his protecting mantle anally in his relentless..." That is how I read it at first.
So Dick Grayson originally met Batman before Bruce Wayne after all.... and Frank Miller actually did his homework. BUT HE STILL FAILED BIG TIME!!!
Here, Batman is treating Dick like a boy who's been through a lot and he genuinely wants to help. He's not trying to draft him into some war. He's just trying to protect a witness and a boy who's gone through the same horrible experience as him. This is the Batman we know and love.
@emptyglass7867 I try to avoid replying to comments that are years old, because you never know if someone's mind might've changed by the time you read it.
This is not one of those times. ASBR still sucks.
Zuko was later exiled, and he went on a quest to hunt down the Avatar.
best comment 100/10
HONOR!
He just has one question for Batman: "Where... is... my mother?"
Hunting Avatars...LIKE A BOSS!
But it turned out the real Avatar was the honor he found along the way.
all i know about the origin of robin's name is that the name "dick" was also slang for detective back than.
christian crusader
Wow... times sure do change, don’t they?
@@daelen.cclark yep.
Is it because of Dick Tracy or is that why Tracy was also named Dick
@@iamaunicorn1232 not sure. That's an interesting connection I haven't thought of.
@@christiancrusader9374 Apparently "dick" used to be Cockney criminal slang for "to watch or see", a loan word from Romani.
Actually Robin Hood dressed in red... not only do the tales state "He cloathed his men in Lincoln green And himself in scarlet red", but "Lincoln green" is a mistranslation of "Lincoln graine"... a red dye. Basically, Robin Hood wore red, his merry men wore red and Robin wearing red ties him to Robin Hood perfectly. :P
his trunks and pixie boots, thankfully later pants and gloves on some costumes would use a green shade
.....sounds boring. Now Fox Robin Hood from the Disney film on the other hand....
Dante Solablood Then why was the fact that Will Scarlet dressed in red pointed out as a way he made himself distinct in dress from the rest?
From what I understand, Will Scarlet (also Will Scathelock, Will Scadlock and Will Shacklock) is originally a middle-aged character with a love of fine clothes, neither his name nor clothing associated with red, later versions have him as a younger character with a love of red silk.. I think the silk is meant to be the distinguishing feature... though at this point the name/colour association may have been set.
I don't claim 100% confidence as there IS a Lincoln Green & a Lincoln Grayne (red) historically, the article I originally read stated that the earlier versions were specifically "grayne"... but I am not confident enough with my source to shout someone else down.
"Batman thinks back to the time when his parents too, were innocent victims of a criminal" "My parents too were killed by a criminal" That's kind of redundant writing and unfortunately a little funny. It's like Batman meets Peppa Pig.
It's very much how Stan Lee wrote comics in the early 60s, as well. It was never enough to see Spider-Man swinging through a window...there always had to be some purple prose about how he was swinging through the window, and hopefully, a startled bystander nearby to use their speech bubble to proclaim 'Look! Spider-Man's swinging through that window!'
13:39 "GOOD! AND NOW, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!"
I can't breathe from laughing so much-- *passes out*
WELCOME BACK MY FRIENDS, TO SECRET ORANGES MONTH!
As opposed to well known oranges
What’s that about Captain Citrus? 😎
Oddly enough, Zucco didn't get the chair. He was still alive(in prison)just before COIE. Because he took a dip in "the stream of ruthlessness", which deprives a person of a conscience, Dick was going to take revenge, once and for all. This was in INFINITY INC. #2
That candlelight scene was actually, albeit briefly, in an episode of Teen Titans.
Yeah. It was just the shadow of it but it was still an awesome reference.
Sidekicks were important as they provided a character the audience could identify with, as back then the main heroes were perfect and godlike. Readers weren't supposed to identify with Batman, but look up to him. That's why we needed a Robin. Now, with heroes humanised, like in Year One, there is no need for a new character whose sole purpose this.
That's a great analysis
Have you ever read Bratpack by Rick Veitch?
@@CosmoShidan Nope, but I've looked it up. It's very unpleasant.
@@mitchfletcher2386 What makes Bratpack unsettling, is that the idea of a costumed adult training a child to go out to go out and fight crime in tights is akin to a child soldier. That is, if you stop and think about it, you have to imagine how that would look in the real world. Not to mention how a kid at the age of 12 would have to endure having to beat people up and getting beaten everyday of the week. That is some PTSD for ya.
@@CosmoShidan
It gives you a good idea on what not to do when writing future sidekicks.
I'm amazed Linkara chose to reference that one standalone graphic novel where Dick had to become a different maxed vigilante, Target.
....and then became Nightwing again. And then he started going by Rick instead of Dick to avoid obvious jokes....
And is now Talon apparently?!
He started going by Ric because he has amnesia
And now it's Nightwing again
And then became Nightwing again
@@skyslasher2297 Has he become Batman again?
Batman: "I AM THE PICTURE OF MENTAL HEALTH!"
Yeah, people also said Robin was useless in the 60s Batman show, but from what I've seen from the first 4 (or 8) episodes, he's been pretty damn helpful.
i think the reason batman, robin, and capt marvel( who I mentally call captain thunder now), were so willing to kill their enemies because the " no killing code" was almost purely a product of the comics code. even the heroes who did have the code before then, I think the writers did that less for moral reasons, and more because of economics, the concept was probably introduced just so writers wouldn't have to come up with new villains every month, and only later that a lot of writers started to care about characters having moral standards. it was the 1930's I guess life was considered cheap back then, especially criminals:(.
Considering how widespread organized crime was, I'm not surprised they had characters knocking them off left and right.
Kris Lundell actually Batman’s no killing rule was well before the comics it was because of mother’s but his no killing rule was made about 10 years before the CCA
12:43 XD Another day in Batman's quest to destroy Rock and Roll.
+TheSkully343 Although Robin will end up liking that kind of music and supporting some dumbass that may or may not be Firebrand from Battle for Bludhaven. :P
"What was Batman doing before this?"
In his first multi issue storyline, he literally snaps a guy's neck by swinging in and kicking and a latter story (he first with an actual supervillain) has him fighting a vampire. I'm not kidding about that last one.
We DO have an explanation for the "no-pants" costume in LEGO BATMAN though...
Hey, I never said it was convincing or anything! xD
I think the reason for Robin was to allow the kids reading the comics to feel like they could be in the stories and help Batman themselves, and back in the forties the idea of a young child helping Bats in his war on crime, didn’t exactly make sense, but was more accepted. It helps the Silver Age came immediately after. He’s also essentially Batman’s Watson. I guess Robin has stuck because of his iconography because otherwise, I doubt he’d still be around as Batman’s sidekick. Thing is, I doubt a book starring teen superheroes would do as well in the days he was created.
That's not the reverse Wonder Woman....that's Jonathan's Hamon Pose. Didn't know Batman knew how to use Hamon.
I always thought he was a stand user
Considering he's fought vampires in the past, Batman learning Hamon to use against them makes sense to me! 👍
Bruce smiling on the cover gives me joy.
Still don't get why the original Robin costume doesn't have pants
I think it was Jason Todd who said he wore" pixie boots" and trunks to look younger and misdirect the enemy into thinking he was a harmlessly little kid who couldn't be perceived as a threat
Well hes an acrobat so clothes like that are used to make his costume
Joker: "He's at home--washin' his tights!"
"Bring me my smoking jacket, etc."
Boss, don't ya know ya not supposed ta store hot coals in ya pockets?
Back in the 40's,kidnapped by a guy dressed as a bat or some long bearded old man is A-okay.
23:57 "Detective Comics and all related characters and media are property of Marvel"
You have made a single mistake. I shall now sit back here and laugh at you.
Ha.
Ha.
Ha.
You should definitely do a full on Dick Grayson retrospective
He only does those on the heroes that get him into comics.
Technically he already did comics with Dick Grayson in the Titans retrospective.
3:42-3:49 That's how Junior from the Smokey and The Bandit series got created. Junior wasn't originally going to be in the film, but Jackie Gleason wanted someone for Buford to play off of.
Now here's hoping that Lego Batman ends the 30 year long attempt to purge Robin from the Batman mythos.
ElvenRaptor pretty sure the whole movie is about Dick Grayson becoming Robin
I've never liked the character of Robin. Batman is so much better as a lone hero.
@@dreamlandnightmare the whole reason robin exists is because people didnt like batman alone lmao The batfam is the best part of batman besides the murder mysteries cause those are pretty good
@@Dave-mh3oi And when a property does things to pander to fan whims, it's usually a bad thing.
From what I know, Robin was introduced to appeal to the younger readers. Back in the day, every superhero had to have a youth sidekick. (E.g., Bucky Barnes for Captain America.)
Burton's Batman and Chris Nolan's Batman are 100% fine without Robin. They are, by far, my two favorite interpretations of the Caped Crusader.
@@dreamlandnightmare OH great, a Nolan dickrider 🙄🙄🙄
You wearing the mask under your hat made me laugh my ass off
+Brandon Foley
In an alternate universe where Bruce Wayne doubled a life between being the Batman and reviewing comics.
+Brandon Foley You and me both, my friend
Linkara wearing a Batman mask will never stop being funny
In response to using sidekicks as a way to give kids someone to relate to, J. Michael Straczynski actually had an interesting point. It was something along the lines of "When I was a kid, I looked up to Batman, because he was someone I could eventually be. Robin was a pain in the ass, because he's already doing all that stuff, and I couldn't."
Dick Grayson, aged 76
"Back in my day, Batman was calling people retarded before Frank Miller wrote him as amazing as he did! Batman's car is gay!"
Yeah, that would be depressing...
+Sean OBrien at least TDKR and Batman: Year One were good.
I'm not sure why Bruce saw fit to teach a twelve year old boxing with the intention of him using it to beat up adults. Surely a fighting style less dependent on direct physical force and the ability to take a punch would be more appropriate... like Judo or Tai Chi.
A better Batman and Robin comic than the All Star Batman and Robin series.
shadowlinkbds you mean every Batman comic ever
Ironically, a retelling of this story would have been a great All-Star Batman tale, and perhaps in some twisted way, Miller's ASBAR started its life as exactly that.
My personal theory as to why there's a lack of Kid sidekicks these days in mainstream comics is a matter of logic. If you were an experienced crime-fighter, with several villains out for your blood, do you really think that you should be the person to take on a younger, less skilled, more naive kid as an apprentice? I mean unless you're the type of guy that thinks he could use a nearby meat-shield. OH LORD, people complain about the 90's yet Robin and Batman going around murdering people like this went unchallenged in the 40's? The times they are a change'n. Speaking of murderous people in costumes is it just me or when Robin and Batman smile, does anyone else get reminded of the Comedian? Yet I'm betting stuff like this was what inspired that wacko. Honestly I'm more surprised at the lack of Robin Hood Men in Tights jokes here more then anything. Next week, as long as we don't have Sean Connery trying to create a weather machine to take over the world I think we'll be fine.
+1TrulyMad I don't know the sidekick had that nice changing of the guard vibe but that's kind of gone when heroes don't die.
Because what happens if the villain out for your blood finally do you in if there is no one to take back the mantle?
Marvel and DC copied Stan Lee from the 60s on and Stan hated kid sidekicks.
Oh good god... oh Lewis... I can't I just can't... The Fucking Batman Mask you wore.... I almost peed like 5 times when I saw that thing..... I think omy heart stoppped from laughing too hard. That thhing was glorious, especially with you managing to put your hat overtop the ears.....
I don't really get the joke about Dick's older brother. Is it supposed to be a reference to Jason Todd who started out as a blatant copy-paste of Dick?
Doesn't he have a brother in some versions? I know he does in Batman Forever at least.
Pretty sure Linkara was referring to that.
Batman procuring evidence that he KNOWS will get the criminal a death sentence. So I guess the bat-branding in Batman v Superman actually has some precedent... :S
in hindsight it never was really batman's fault for it but lex manipulating the strings in prison
Well, in the movie it was implied that Batman had become unsympathetic to criminals after so many years of fighting crime with little to show for it that he almost just didn't care anymore, thus why even after the branded criminals are being killed in prison because of their brands he doesn't stop doing it. That's part of his arc throughout the movie. He starts off as bitter and cruel because of all he's been through but near the end he starts to become more of the hero he used to be, Superman causing him to realize how much he'd allowed his darkness to consume him.
Alexander Sigstad oh look, another BVS apologist. I'm guessing you also hate Civil War even though the characters in it actually have a legitimate reason to be fighting each other unlike the piece of shit movie you like.
Furious Sherman Actually Civil War is my favorite of the Marvel movies and I like the good majority of those movies, the Cap trilogy being my favorites. I like BvS's ultimate cut a lot but I can still admit it has problems. It's just those problems don't ruin the film for me and I can understand and appreciate why the movie did some of the things it did, even if not all the choices worked out or were played out as much as they should have been.
No, Moon Knight first appeared in 1975, 35 years after this issue of Detective Comics was released.
Other characters who actually became noted in 1940 you could have used for that joke on Robin being the character find of 1940:
Hildy Johnson, His Girl Friday - 4
Woody Woodpecker - 3
Tom and Jerry - 1
Horton the Elephant, Horton Hatches the Egg - 2
John Singer, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter - 6
Robert Jordan, For Whom the Bell Tolls - 5
Art Croft, The Ox-Bow Incident - 7
+Volvagia1927 Those numbers are the likelihood (1 most, 7 least) you would have used that character for the joke.
It's not every day you see Robert Jordan and Horton the Elephant on the same list.
I take it the Red Robin costume being more or less a modern update of Bob Kane's original Batman concept costume was an intentional homage.
3:09- But since the release of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Bill Finger finally got his co-created credit.
I can never get over what I like to call "Bat-kara."
Actually it started with the release of Batman Arkham Knight in 2015
I just wanted to say that it is cool to see another fan of Kamala Khan who has become one of my favorites of the younger heroes in Marvel along with Gwenpool too. It is pretty interesting that Robin is still pretty much the only younger hero that is still a sidekick because now it seems like now most younger heroes are now working on their own or with a team made of younger heroes like them.
Who else finds it interesting that Robin actually appeared in comics before the Joker?
Robin appeared before most of Batman's recurring villains, except for Hugo Strange.
Honestly I can't believe Robin appeared in comics before Alfred did.
He appeared before Wonder Woman.
Robin came before Gotham.
Before Alfred even
6:33 actually they did. These books were sold on newsstands and only the top half of the magazines would have been visible to the customer. There were no spinner racks, no small section at the Rite-Aid or 7/11. This magazine and many others would have been crowded in a 4-6 foot wide sectional box, many periodicals would have been there and all of them had larger than life typefaces and fonts to grab the attention of buyers. Seeing the larger title would make it easier for customers to see and for the proprietor of the stands when sorting. Another reason could have been to hide the comics from more prudish customers that would have found such material as trash, so this would have eliminated the questioning and finger pointing.
Can we all pretend ASBR never existed? That it was a collective fever dream or something?
+Jenny Sweeney
it's one of the universes destroyed in any given dc crossover event, that's my head cacon
Ah, those that forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Worse stories out there.
It was Earth-31 in The 52 Multiverse. But then it was removed.
It has been restored unfortunately thanks to Dark Knight 3 and Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade and yes, Miller is still the main writer.
zrlap heh. Dc (about or to frank miller): you used to write good stories in the 80’s, haven’t written a good story since, each story since is becoming more political and crazy and insulting racially and otherwise, you are the perfect writer to keep on
12:00 I mean, they *were* rich people in fancy dress walking down a dark alley, so...
I miss Boffo the clown. He's awesome
This made me want to watch LEGO Batman so bad 😂
You know something funny? This comic came out in April 1940 with the debut of Dick's parents. You know something else? The Batman's origins wouldn't be revealed until may 25th 1940. This means the sidekick got an earlier origin story than perhaps the most famous fictional character of all time.
I mean, I can think of about a dozen more well known characters, but ok.
Batman's origin was first revealed in Detective Comics #33, five issues before this one, in November of 1939. Not May of 1940.
Linkara, every time I see a video of yours, I find myself liking you more and more. And the fact that you played "Seize the Day" from Newsies has made me respect you more as a Broadway man myself...not to mention managing to tie it into the comic. Thanks again for the entertainment. Also, I was wondering if you could do a Top Ten List of the dumbest things superheroes have done. I was thinking of the story where Superman adopting Jimmy Olsen (Jimmy Olsen #30) as well as "The Batman Plays A Lone Hand", since I thought he could have just told Dick what the problem was and saved them a lot of trouble. Thanks again! :)
sidekicks really arent a dead trope, we just mostly call them Partners, i say Partners In Crime Fighting cuz it sounds cooler
One factor I can attribute to the decline of superhero side-kicks is Rick Veitch's Bratpack. Bratpack is an underrated graphic novel which not only examines the sidekick trope, but presents it in a bleak and dirty fashion. This is also done in a mean spirited manner as well.
Wait, you hadn't watched ATLA by this episode? Have you watched it now? I'm curious because there's a comic series continuing where the show left off that's really interesting. I'd try for a patreon spot for it if you've seen the show. It has some major spoilers, so I wouldn't try for it if you still haven't watched the TV series though.
Atla?
Nevermind, I looked it up
Trying to think which episode would be best for a review- Great Divide maybe?
3:35-3:41 and The Shadow. Why does everyone forget about how the Shadow was an influence?
I think sidekicks are a good starting point for characters, but it's only really good as a temporary position. The internship of comic book heroes. Get the experience and build your pathos alongside someone else, but eventually it feels like you're just holding the character back from reaching full potential by needing to keep him as only a secondary piece to someone else.
No, what seems to be an unfortunate rarity with comic books (A potentially uninformed opinion on my end with my lack of comic reading) is the superhero duo. Where 1 isn't the sidekick of another. Just simply 2 equal heroes that work together and are inseparable (As in, they hardly do work seperately). Usually when heroes team up, it's groups with an average of 5 characters and those relations twist and turn along the path with some dropping off and new inclusions. While I can think about a few examples (Hawk and Dove come to mind), it seems to be a less popular trend than alot of others. I dunno, it might be my facination with comedies, but I admire the idea of the duo. 2 likeminded opposites that fill one another's existances.
If you're interested in comedic superhero duos, I recommend Archer & Armstrong and Quantum & Woody from Valiant Comics. Two EXCELLENT series.
As much as I love the adolescent sidekick trope, It does stand on some shaky moral ground. I mean, Batman is definitely guilty of reckless endangerment of a minor!
Will you ever do a secret origins for Tim drake
I am pretty sure that Dective Comics belongs to DC, not Marvel as it said in the credits.
11:24 the goddamn batman: " Also,don't you DARE go inside my goddamn bat-room ! "
Loved the Dark Place Hospital reference.
Props to the Garth Marenghi nod. :D
11:10 How wild is it that this gag is now legitimate advice. 2020 is nuts
6:17 Newsies is awesome!
1:46 Someone needs to get on Linkara's Patreon and tell him to review a Ms. Marvel comic. Not only are they pretty good, but they also fill a disturbingly empty niche: A form of media that portrays Muslims in a positive light. Kamala Khan's family, while moderately old-fashioned and strict, are caring, compassionate, intelligent, and understanding, Kamala Khan herself is a mixture of energy, fun, the hectic life of teenage Spider-Man, and modern day teen issues presented in a well-executed superhero manner, and the rest of the cast are also likeable and smart. Her villains are cooky, but in a good way, and they actually bring up thought-provoking stuff (one of her first enemies was a clone with a cockatoo head who called himself Thomas Edison and who wanted to plug teens up to machines to supply free energy because he saw them as a detriment to society), and the characters have good development as well. There hasn't been such positively portrayed Muslim characters in popular media since the CBC TV show "Little Mosque On The Prairie". Linkara could use the Ms. Marvel comics as a counterpoint to the hatred and racism shown in Holy Terror.
Oh come on! I just started reading her comic and you already gotta spoil it for me?
Let's be real though: The best starter villains are Mob Bosses named Big Dix.
Oh boy, the responses to this comment are gonna be fun. (puts on gas mask)
@@rassilontdavros3004 After 4 years, and nothing major has happened.
What about the other robin "well he is getting tortured by the joker"
god I love this review. so many jokes
He forgot when Dick Grayson was Renegade 😂😂😂
Tbf it was pretty brief and not a lot of people remember it, me included.
If you haven't read the Agent Grayson comics, I actually highly recommend them. I personally really enjoyed them and I'm not just saying that due to Nightwing bias. In fact, I started out very pessimistic about the idea. But from the moment I read the first issue, I was hooked and quite frankly, I'm actually gonna be sad to see it go after May (But at the same time, I can't wait to see Richard take the Nightwing persona again). As much as a lot of the New 52 was primarily poorly received, the "Grayson" comics were among the great things to come out of The New 52. The writing talent of Tim Seeley and Tom King is really easy to read but can also be quite clever. Not to mention that Tom King himself was actually a Secret Agent back in the day. In fact, his writing was so well received that he is now writing for Batman in Rebirth (And Tim Seeley for Nightwing Rebirth respectively). It's also worth a mention that Mikél Janin's art is borderline on par with Jim Lee (In my opinion).
Honestly, I'd recommend it to anyone. Give them a go if you haven't already. They've already been compiled into 2 volumes if you want to test them out.
Roy Harper/Arsenal was Speedy in the past of the new 52 but was apparently fired by Green Arrow and became Arsenal
For some stupid reason? The Agent 37 run was better than excepted
I think he referred to DC making him an agent in the first place.
Did he learn to flip tables from Prowl? XD
Only One Year since Detective #27, and actually batman wore no gloves in his second appearance and then got the blue gloves in the third (they have suction cups on them)
What's with that New Stuff magazine in the background?
Hey, at least dick got through being robin ok, and he grew up to meet a nice alien girl:)
Fox: Some one may have told u since this first aired, but Agent Venom ( Flash Thomson with Symbiote), actually had a side kick, until the book was canceled (at least I believe it was canceled )
The secret agent series was really good! It might have been a stupid reason for him to be a secret agent, but the book was an excellent read.
Especially since all the Dick Grayson fans realised what DC was doing with that book, and read it in droves.
@@daelen.cclark What they were doing with the book?
@@millernumber1
They brought Grayson into the opposite of what the Nightwing book had been up to that point.
They were thinking readers would stop caring about Grayson if he was in some spy book, but the readers kept buying the book to support the character.
@@daelen.cclark Also because it was a really great read!
I don't get the joke about Dick's older brother
the darkplace clip made me so happy.
Batman using the Roulette table makes it more like a cartoon.
the reasion why robin didn't have pants is because PANTS ARE THE EVIL TOOL OF ROCK&ROLL!!!
23:56 "Detective Comics and all related characters and media are property of Marvel" Oops...
Someone get me my smoking jacket, my smoking hat, my smoking tie and my smoking underwear!
One of my favorite robins is Tim drake aka robin because he was so awesome and badass in the pre 52 universe that it hurt me that's his status as robin is broken thanks to the new 52 bullshit but that's just my opinion and plus thanks to DC rebirth restoration of the DC universe I get the feeling that Tim drake status as robin is going to get restored soon hopefully
Tevya Smolka no.. He's red robin now. After they save him mr oz he'll develop as a character. Don't worry.
yup and now he's been saved
Stan Lee actually hated sidekicks. At least at Marvel characters were already written without sidekicks in the Silver Age.
Yes and no. Marvel was definitely light on *_underaged_* sidekicks, but there are still a ton of sidekicks in the various Marvel universes
Wait! are we sure this is Dick and not Jason before the retcon of him stilling the tires of the Batmobile? 😆
Different hair color
Omg Linkara i thought i was the only one who hated the secret agent thing.
Huge missed joke opportunity at 18:35 where it looks like the bat is talking instead of Zucco about being the boss. A mistake I made the first time I read this comic when I was a kid, since clearly the bat is the true kingpin of Gotham crime.
The way that "an ally" was put together I thought it said anally.
18:04 I Can See CRAZY Steve Doing That"
Which is linkara's favourite robin?
Given his love of murderous and bloodthirsty Child Soldiers, I'd say -Tim Drake- Damien...
"There's a note in the box."
It just says "Dear Zuko" and there's a picture of a butt.
At 17:50, was that a Thoroughly Modern Millie reference? I sincerely hope so 😱
now we know what happen to Jason red candle when lord zedd tried draining the other rangers powers
Zucco reminds me of that giant fat guy from Disturbed 'the land of confusion' music video
14:00 Are you deliberately misunderstanding the jiu jitsu panel? Seems clear that Batman is teaching Robin how to flip a larger opponent. It's not a real throw, but it seems to be the over-the-top judo flip that TV & movies love so much.
1:50 Yay you mentioned my fav superheroine :D
Better origin that Miller’s insanity
Spacing between words is important...
"That amazing, weird figure of night, at last takes under his protecting mantle anally in his relentless..."
That is how I read it at first.
10:55 no it's not that's his middle name his first name is THE
The way you describe Boss Zuko sounds like a Dick Tracy Villian...SteamTop lol
At 7:59 I can't possibly be the only one who finds the kerning/spacing on the words "an ally" kind of dubious. Like honestly.