The Downfall of Batman In The Silver Age of Comics

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  • @timfortune9
    @timfortune9 Рік тому +248

    SIlver Age DC: "Superman is really popular, so let's make Batman more like Superman to make him popular too!"
    Modern Age DC: "Batman is really popular, so let's make Superman more like Batman to make him popular too!"

    • @stevensteviepryde5888
      @stevensteviepryde5888 9 місяців тому +28

      This is exactly why I'd love to see a crossover between '66 Batman and Man of Steel Superman 🤣

    • @stevedziedziak422
      @stevedziedziak422 9 місяців тому

      this is too true.

    • @saidi7975
      @saidi7975 6 місяців тому +5

      Except even Superman was toned down then. Golden Age Supes was a goddamn mad lad !

    • @joeker5208
      @joeker5208 Місяць тому +2

      And both attempts failed hard😂

  • @MurphyBats1983
    @MurphyBats1983 Рік тому +398

    Great summary of the Silver Age Batman - its too bad Batman had to fall that low in order for the DC editors to finally recognize they needed to hire people like Denny O’Neil, Neal Adams and others in order to save the character.

    • @drmidnight680-kz2le
      @drmidnight680-kz2le Рік тому +17

      @@Superlad945 I'm only familiar with comics from 10 years before crisis.
      This documentary is not accurate because Batman was 2nd only to Superman in the silver/bronze age.
      Detective Comics,Batman, Brave and the Bold used to sell 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 each month for each one of these titles.
      Also Flash, Green Lantern,Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Legion of superheroes were popular and sold 1,000,000 or more each month specially during summer.
      They just tried different stories, not because they were loosing sales.
      They used to try anything all the time.

    • @drmidnight680-kz2le
      @drmidnight680-kz2le Рік тому +3

      @@Superlad945 yes that's accurate up to early 70s is all I know, I didn't watch late 70s or 80s.
      The Legion of superheroes comic book was a top selling comics too.
      House of Mystery, House of Secrets, Mystery in Space. Our Army at War.
      I was a DC fan but also had a complete collection of Marvel Comics.

    • @speedracer1945
      @speedracer1945 Рік тому +4

      I read these comics back then and Batman stories were goofy bavk then but the big change was in 68 when Batman had a bigger cape as he looked cool as the stories were wrote much better .

    • @drmidnight680-kz2le
      @drmidnight680-kz2le Рік тому +4

      @@speedracer1945 and sales went down.

    • @speedracer1945
      @speedracer1945 Рік тому +5

      @@drmidnight680-kz2le didnt notice then I was a kid back then and bought comics for the art and cover . Mostly Marvel comic arcs as well .

  • @VladyO
    @VladyO Рік тому +325

    It's so fascinating how Batman's self-censorship and use of outlandish, absurd fantasy in the Silver Age evolved to become essential to the entire Batman mythos.
    I know people hated these stories for Batman but I greatly enjoy them with hindsight.

    • @Thespeedrap
      @Thespeedrap Рік тому +5

      I never read any of those Batman stories which one do you recommend for me to read?

    • @stevepensando2593
      @stevepensando2593 Рік тому +19

      ​@@ThespeedrapThe Zebra Batman storyb is goofy as hell, but it has a lowkey terrifying concept behind it

    • @HepCatJack
      @HepCatJack Рік тому +11

      If you enjoyed them, perhaps you were more of a Superman reader. The Legion of Super Heroes stories in this period of time were similar to the Superman stories.

    • @largefactory
      @largefactory Рік тому +7

      @@stevepensando2593- that shit sounds dope

    • @luckiller019
      @luckiller019 Рік тому +10

      Hi, Grant Morrison. How do you do

  • @XX-sp3tt
    @XX-sp3tt Рік тому +135

    A lot of those stories you described actually sound really cool. Batman having to testify in court. Bruce studying under a legendary detective. And Ace continues to appear in modern times.

    • @Darthzilla99
      @Darthzilla99 Рік тому +13

      I would love a modern take on the Mystery man story. Jim Gordon becoming a vigilante has great potential. Maybe the plot could be Jim is trying to solve a case and his Mystery man persona is an undercover disguise.

    • @josephwaul6137
      @josephwaul6137 Рік тому +6

      ​@@Darthzilla99Kind of like how Batman uses the Matches Malone persona.

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Darthzilla99 We got a bit of it in the last round of Joker comics; it's all about Jim Gordon.

  • @wallacelang1374
    @wallacelang1374 Рік тому +121

    I was a child during the 1960s and a teenager in the 1970s, so I was reading both Superman and Batman comic books during the Silver Age of these superheroes. That so-called psychologist who wrote "Seduction Of The Innocent" had utterly destroyed most of Batman canon for his contempt of comic book fiction. However eventually Neal Adams finally came in to rescue Batman from the death spiral of camp humor. For Neal Adams was a fan of Batman's Golden Age comic books.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 Рік тому +4

      Of course I am biased, but the Batman of my early '80s childhood (1982-1988) will always be my favorite era. The Dark Knight Detective was in ultimate form in the mid '80s, Brave and the Bold (art by Jim Aparo, stories by Mike Barr) became the best Bat book to buy, until he formed The Outsiders and then THAT became my favorite book. Frank Miller's Dark Knight graphic novel in '84 put him over the top in mainstream media.

    • @wallacelang1374
      @wallacelang1374 Рік тому

      @@juniorjames7076 your childhood of the 1980s was at the close of Neil Adams tenure as writer/illustrator of Batman comic books, which in essence was the dawn of the Bronze Age of comic books. For during the Bronze Age majority of the Silver Age comic book writers and illustrators were retiring from the business. I love the Silver Age of comic books because of the incredible art work of the time from illustrators such as Curt Swan (Superman) and Neil Adams (Batman). However we all have our own preferences from our childhoods, that doesn't mean that anyone is wrong it only means what we have been raised on.

    • @FirstnameLastname-my7bz
      @FirstnameLastname-my7bz Рік тому +3

      @@wallacelang1374 yeah, Swan is top. He was very different due to inkers and the fact that he Started as Boring copycat just like Boring was Shuster copycat, but his art was and is, always the A game. Funny how in the end he illustrated all three (Earth-2, Earth-1 and Post-Crisis) Superman married with Lois. Also predicted Chris Reeve and Hank Cavill, while most of his Silver Age stuff was clearly inspired after George Reeves face, just like nowadays Gary Frank draws Chris Reeve (sometimes almost for everyone, Superman, Batman, Thomas Wayne, Ozymandias, Comedian, Black Adam even, Dr. Manhattan, once you see you can't unsee it, especially in latest works like Doomsday Clock) or Jason Fabok after Hank Cavill, and Clay Mann was Cavill facing at first but then Reeve after trunks returned, but recently I think it is mix between two.

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 7 місяців тому +3

      Well, Wertham was a psychologist, and his other well-known work was showing the trauma caused by segregation. But he just knew jack shit about comics, so he made it all up.

    • @wallacelang1374
      @wallacelang1374 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@jonbrewer297I just never cared for Frederick Wertham for his vicious innuendos in "Seduction Of The Innocent" ruined a perfectly good friendship between Bruce Wayne / Batman and Dick Grayson / Robin, including the deliberate murder of Alfred Pennyworth who had basically raised Bruce Wayne after he had seen the gruesome deaths of his parents Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne.

  • @officegossip
    @officegossip Рік тому +88

    It’s funny when you show the stark contrast of what Marvel was doing at the same moment with a very clear difference in overall quality. Kirby was absolutely killing it in the Silver age.
    You could read any of his stories in this day and age and they hold up extremely well even with the funny Stan Lee-isms added in.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 Рік тому +10

      Not just Kirby. Romita, Buscema, Colan etc.

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 7 місяців тому +5

      @@lyndoncmp5751 Yeah, DC would probably be defunct if not for the fact that Stan Lee was such an asshole to his talent.

  • @rpc717
    @rpc717 Рік тому +39

    "Hiding his doggo identity and being a good boy all around." 😂👍🏼

  • @piplup12
    @piplup12 Рік тому +72

    Dude , Your ability to cram a ton of information into such a short amount of time is astounding . Your videos are easily the best for Batman research!

  • @YAMISOOLD2009
    @YAMISOOLD2009 Рік тому +49

    As someone who is a big fan of Batman and loved the Batman tv series this was the best video I have ever watched putting that tv show in context with the actual comic book. Ever since the Tim Burton Batman I have heard how the tv show "ruined" Batman. But this video proves that this is not the case. In point of fact the Adam West tv show actually saved Batman...for a while at least. The show was developed around the Batman that was being presented in DC comics of that time period. So I would love people to quite blaming the show for Batman's lighter tone. I also loved that you showed us so many panels and covers from the Silver Era. I would never be able to catch up on all that on my own so you have at least made me feel that I have and that I know what I missed out on before my time! Thank you for this great history lesson!

  • @jimgillespie6109
    @jimgillespie6109 Рік тому +63

    I do wish you had mentioned how the TV costume Adam West wore had design elements taken from the comics. If you look at old comics, study Batman's mask: the black shadow perpetually covering the mask (except for the blue nose) as well as the semi-circular eye slits. Those elements are right there in West's costume. In a very weird way, the TV suit is the most comics accurate Batman suit of all.
    By the way, when you do the Bronze Age Batman, please don't overlook the contributions of Englehart, Rogers, and Austin in Detective Comics, and the fantastic story by Barr and Golden for Batman Special #1.

    • @kforcer
      @kforcer Рік тому +3

      The Wrath is great. Chuck Dixon said there was some weird agreement made between someone, somewhere that made The Wrath off-limits for use. He said he never figured out why that was.

    • @HepCatJack
      @HepCatJack Рік тому +3

      The look of Batman's gloves originally came from an earlier character called "The Bat".

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 Рік тому +2

      The Batman of my early '80s childhood (1982-1988) will always be my favorite era. The Dark Knight Detective was in ultimate form in the mid '80s with Brave and the Bold (art by Jim Aparo, stories by Mike Barr) being the best Bat book to buy, until he formed The Outsiders and then THAT became my favorite book. Batman stories were grimy, sometimes creepy, and even international- one minute in the backstreets of Gotham ghetto, next page following a clue to the backstreets of Istanbul or Budapest! Frank Miller's Dark Knight graphic novel in '86 put him over the top in mainstream media.

  • @fabioblanco8571
    @fabioblanco8571 Рік тому +101

    Associating The Rainbow Batman with homosexuality is a current view. I don't think anyone thought anything like that at the time.

    • @anthonyallmond3682
      @anthonyallmond3682 Рік тому +26

      Remember Gay used to mean happy not homosexuality

    • @eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536
      @eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536 10 місяців тому +12

      ​@@anthonyallmond3682 and queer just mean weird back then

    • @Ganondorfdude11
      @Ganondorfdude11 10 місяців тому +18

      The rainbow flag was first used in a gay pride parade in 1978. Before that it didn't have any particular association with the gay rights movement.

    • @paulheap1982
      @paulheap1982 3 місяці тому

      ​@@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536no queen to mean homosexual started alot sooner than you think.

  • @Enid2Sacramento
    @Enid2Sacramento Рік тому +37

    Excellent coverage of one of the most popular comic book characters in history. Hard to believe he came so close to cancellation in the early '60s. There's another great UA-cam video on the making of the Michael Keaton Batman movie. It took nearly 10 years to get it produced due to initial disinterest by movie studios.

  • @detective29
    @detective29 Рік тому +15

    One key thing that was not mentioned.... You note how successful Superman comics were in the 1950's. Much of that was due to the tv show. Batman became very popular in the 60's for the same reason. Having read quite a few of the 1950's Superman and Batman comics, the story quality had little to do with Superman's popularity. Both heroes had equally schlock stories in their comics. The big difference was the aliens and monster stories fit better with the Superman concept than it did with Batman. Enjoyed this video and look forward to watching more of them!

  • @hungfao
    @hungfao Рік тому +31

    Even at a young age in the 60s, I felt the stories did tend to be silly. My favorite comic character was Spiderman. But then towards the end of the 60s and especially the early 70s, Batman got very interesting. Adams' art was one vast improvement and the darker tone of the stories was exactly what that needed.

  • @cartervandenberg4771
    @cartervandenberg4771 Рік тому +19

    I don't think any character has changed as drastically over the years as Batman, and this was definitely one of the biggest turning points. Thank you for covering such an interesting moment of history

  • @подэмерон
    @подэмерон Рік тому +24

    Sorry for English but i love you man. Through years your videos become more and more appealing in sound and visual department. Documentary level of montage.

    • @laurelsilberman5705
      @laurelsilberman5705 Рік тому +9

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  • @elenasalwa9828
    @elenasalwa9828 Рік тому +16

    It is a truly rare occurrence that UA-cam algorithm recommends something actually great. With that in mind, I have no idea how this happened but your video popped up on my main and I couldn’t be more grateful! Instant like and subscribe!
    I am huge Batman fan (duh), always has been and this video was really a treat! I’m currently making my way through complete Batman story post crisis based on Comprehensive Reading Order published by Near Mint Condition and I see plenty fantastic documentary videos you’ve made that will be a perfect companion! Packed with information and delivered in such a captivating way!
    Thank you! You’re awesome!

  • @MaxP_88
    @MaxP_88 Рік тому +26

    This is one of the best comics related channel in UA-cam. Wish there were more like it that documented the history of comics in general this way and less about "Who would win in a fight" or just summaries of popular storylines for people who don't read.

  • @bujilou
    @bujilou Рік тому +15

    This video is so well done. The editing, the writing, like I know this era as a mostly forgotten mess but I walked away feeling like I was there. You even keep me attentive for the more uninteresting topics like Bat baby. Well done

  • @AceLM92
    @AceLM92 Рік тому +5

    Delightful. Even when rebooting your older videos, you still find new material to include

    • @SalazarKnight
      @SalazarKnight  Рік тому +3

      One of the main reasons I do it :)

    • @AceLM92
      @AceLM92 Рік тому +1

      @@SalazarKnight makes the reboots distinguishable. They are special editions in a way

  • @jarosawchmielewski9549
    @jarosawchmielewski9549 Місяць тому

    great work with selecting all this scans and pictures! thanks for all the episodes!

  • @edgewiseCL
    @edgewiseCL Рік тому +2

    Clicked on your page out of curiosity not from the algorithm but your comment on Alex Lennen's video. Totally underrated channel! Hope you get way more subs u deserve it

  • @randalldowling1068
    @randalldowling1068 Рік тому +7

    The YT algorithm brought me here. I wasn't expecting much. I have been loving comics for several years, but this video honestly impressed me. A lot. Subscribed. 🦇

  • @porflepopnecker4376
    @porflepopnecker4376 Рік тому +3

    One of the high points of my life was being at a convention in, I think, 1979, and looking over Neal Adams' shoulder as he drew a picture of Batman for David Prowse.

  • @TsukiCondor
    @TsukiCondor Рік тому +14

    Good to be early, it's always interesting and kinda sad seeing much the Comic Code caused a moral panic. It's amazing how we where (more less) able to rebound.

    • @TsukiCondor
      @TsukiCondor Рік тому +4

      Also I think Batmans stagnation was likely also a byproduct of Kanes tight grip over Batman the character didn't allow them to flesh out him. While I have an fondess for werid silver age, it's crazy to think there was a time Batman was in the literal shadow of Superman.

    • @TsukiCondor
      @TsukiCondor Рік тому +1

      @@Superlad945 Thats true, but at the same time but yea people forget how popular Aquaman was in the 60s

  • @rodmoore1577
    @rodmoore1577 10 місяців тому +7

    You mean Batman sales were so low that Aquaman sales were better? They must have been selling 5 copies a week!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @mkoh979
    @mkoh979 Рік тому +10

    I absolutely love this channel since the first golden age videos ! Top quality and a lot of passion behind these vids 👍🏼

  • @YahBoiiTroy
    @YahBoiiTroy Рік тому +4

    Not too far in, instant subscribe. Damn fine content. Succinct yet comprehensive and delivered with flair.
    Hell yeah.

  • @Death138death
    @Death138death Рік тому +5

    I love your channel and how in depth you get! Keep up the amazing work sir!

  • @DarkDekicDuka
    @DarkDekicDuka Рік тому +10

    This is just about the best content on UA-cam. Keep going man, you’re doing great!

  • @redactedandredactedaccesor7290

    Amazingly well put together. MORE!!!

  • @marcustmachado
    @marcustmachado Рік тому +3

    This is the best video of this channel. Amazing research and edit.

  • @mikesmusicden
    @mikesmusicden Рік тому +6

    Really interesting and well-done video. Thank you for taking the time to make it! I always liked the Neil Adams Batman the best; both the art and the stories were more grounded and believable (as much as a comic can be believable).

  • @Joy-ul5fl
    @Joy-ul5fl Рік тому +5

    Excellent video! I learned so much. Thanks

  • @jartober
    @jartober Рік тому +5

    The best part about Batman in Silver Age is Lois Lane #70. Lois vs Catwoman! Iconic.

  • @kevingallagher188
    @kevingallagher188 Рік тому +21

    It really amazes me how many young people fail to accept that a lot of fans enjoyed Batman before Neal Adams drew a very small amount of stories at DC. I don't look at the modern version of Batman as the best , he runs the gambit from too good to be beaten, too antisocial to be a team player, too hate filled to be loved, too judgemental to be honest with himself to be likeable. That's not enjoyable.

    • @lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503
      @lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503 Рік тому +6

      Totally agree, a lot of those "dark detective" Batman stories are more repetitive than anything in the silver age, "law and order" with a guy at the crime scene with a Dracula cape😴

    • @RamManNo1
      @RamManNo1 Рік тому +3

      Modern Batman is a caricature of an edge lord. People today feel validated by reading “sophisticated mature” comics. Yet….. they are still just reading comics.

  • @davidtorres2048
    @davidtorres2048 Рік тому +2

    This was freakin’ amazing! Great tidbits of knowledge I’ve never heard before

  • @tomchris60
    @tomchris60 Рік тому +4

    What an informative and concise history of Batman's Silver Age. Growing up in the 60s, this comic book era is warmly nostalgic. Carmine Infantino's more photo realistic, "New Look" Batman (along with the tv show) was my first memory of the caped crusader. But I do remember DC reprinting Batman's 50's/early 60's stories in "Giant" 80 page editions and being jarred by it. While the early stories retain some Golden Age flavor ( and illustrated by the legendary Dick Sprang) the later "Batman Family" exploits was, as the video illustrates, a bizarre period with some of the worst artwork in the character's history. Yet I ate it all up like my Good Humor Ice Cream!

  • @DSH1LL
    @DSH1LL Рік тому +1

    Salazar Knight you are clearly a Bat-Man fan. Well done.

  • @ChristyAbbey
    @ChristyAbbey Рік тому +2

    5 characters made it through. Bats, Supes, Wondy... and everyone forgets Aquaman and Green Arrow were published continually from 1940 to near the bronze age.

    • @d-manthecaptain1382
      @d-manthecaptain1382 11 місяців тому

      You're completely correct. Well, to be fair, they were backup features, they didn't have their own books. Wondy Supes and Bats were what drew in readers, Ollie and Arthor were bonuses.

  • @carlospatricio5214
    @carlospatricio5214 Рік тому +3

    Excellent job, man. The video is perfect, congratutations.
    Carlos Patrício, from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

    • @SalazarKnight
      @SalazarKnight  Рік тому +2

      Thank you Carlos! And hello Brazil! 🇧🇷

  • @Chandasouk
    @Chandasouk Рік тому +2

    Stumbled upon your channel randomly but am glad that I did. I got DC Infinite app and have been looking to explore this era of Batman.

  • @chris_t2020
    @chris_t2020 Рік тому +10

    This is definitely the new and improved version of the Silver Bat. It's incredible too see your improvement over the years on this channel. As I always say you are THE Batman youtuber. Great work as always Salazar.

    • @SalazarKnight
      @SalazarKnight  Рік тому +6

      Thank you so much! It makes me really happy to read that :)

  • @josesarango3408
    @josesarango3408 Рік тому +6

    great surprise! love the silver age videos

  • @espacemaxim
    @espacemaxim Рік тому +4

    Looking forward to hear more from Neal Adams and Jim Aparo, my two favorite Batman artists!!!

  • @Dendood
    @Dendood Рік тому +9

    Holy schizoid Batman! That was a great video!!! What a wild ride of editorial and creative pursuits. My great wish now is for our present day "Combat Boots Batman" to meet it's timely demise at the hand of new editorial and creative vision. Surely someone can save us from all the Kevlar and Combat Boots.

    • @rottensquid
      @rottensquid Рік тому +2

      I think there's a little too much inertia in the modern DC editorial approach. The Didio/Lee regime kept claiming they were wiping and reinventing the whole line, but it was the same people with the same ideas of what works, so their "fresh" approaches seemed anything but. I've met both of these guys. They're both terrifically nice folks, and by all accounts, they were loyal bosses. But their creative choices seemed to be the same old attempts to recapture the magic of The Dark Knight Returns. DC editorial has been trying, and mostly failing, to do that for 30+ years now. Unfortunately, the "Combat Boots Batman" is the end-product of that direction, and because everyone is still trying to chase that dragon, I don't see anything fresh and different coming along to supplant it anytime soon.
      Comics have been failing so long, they no longer know how to measure what's working and what isn't. So they tend to always stay the course, for fear of losing the last loyal fans they have. But as with the DCEU or the Star Wars franchise, they're try please the loudest fans, rather than the fans most interested in quality work. Loud fans aren't interested in quality, they're interested in control. That's why they're loud, to influence the product. And DC has been listening to them so long, they're they only people the books still appeal to. Believe me, there are a lot of people at DC who're trying to change it. But whether they can or not in the long run, we'll just have to wait and see.

  • @oofyeet5935
    @oofyeet5935 Рік тому +2

    Fantastic video really shows things have changed over the years some for better some for worse

  • @camerondodge2070
    @camerondodge2070 Рік тому +8

    It's weird just how great the good stories of this period were compared to the rest. Like, the initial appearances of the Outsider, the Composite Superman stuff, Milo, and most of the Riddler episodes of the show (though I am an unabashed Frank Gorshin fanboy, so I may be biased in that regard). There were some great stories, and some great characters, they just get overshadowed by all the rest of it.

  • @nocty7356
    @nocty7356 Рік тому +26

    I will not stand for Bat Mite slander

  • @hydrolito
    @hydrolito Рік тому +4

    Cartoon series Superman Aquaman hour of adventure in 1967 to 1968 was changed to Batman Superman adventure hour in 1968 to 1969.

  • @poolboyinla
    @poolboyinla Рік тому +1

    This video is amazing.

  • @rodrigomarcondes5857
    @rodrigomarcondes5857 Рік тому +1

    Since Schwartz based silver age Batman on James Bond, I wonder if the Outsider was based on Blofeld, in the 60's bond movies before Blofeld's appearance was revealed, you would only hear his voice and he would not be shown until a lot of movies later

  • @ThomRealEstate-k1y
    @ThomRealEstate-k1y 8 місяців тому +2

    The comics code had one unintentional side effect. Mad magazine was born, in 1955 it morphed from a comic to a magazine due to the code.

  • @MoonS4S
    @MoonS4S 2 місяці тому +1

    He really said " hmm look at this man and this child, they kinda look like a couple" 💀💀💀

  • @haserrea
    @haserrea 8 місяців тому +1

    your videos are so cool! is there any chance you could do the same with other DC characters? im so hungry for more informative comics videos like these

    • @d-manthecaptain1382
      @d-manthecaptain1382 8 місяців тому +1

      He mentioned before when pressed about a series on Wonder Woman's or Superman's Golden Age history that it wouldn't be possible, it's too much work, it takes tons of reading to get all the proper information for Batman.

  • @cheyennesmith3365
    @cheyennesmith3365 Рік тому +9

    It’s guess that’s where they got the idea of Wayne moving into a penthouse in the Dark Knight.

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 7 місяців тому

      Yep. The penthouse also shows up in early New Teen Titans before Dick gets his own place. And again in the DickBats era because of course Grant Morrison will do what they do best.

  • @harveydents
    @harveydents Рік тому +3

    Silver Age batman is awesome. I dont get the hate it gets. And btw Denny o neill and Adams were NOT the start of saving batman, it started with DICK GIORDANO was writing and drawing darker stories BEFORE O Neil and Adams took over. by at least 2 or 3 years.

  • @macsnafu
    @macsnafu Рік тому +4

    Great overview of these periods in Batman's history.

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott Рік тому +11

    My favorite Batman was from early 70s to the mid 80s. He was so dark, sinister, and cool back then.

    • @Thespeedrap
      @Thespeedrap Рік тому +1

      Good Batman stories which inspired the 90s Animated series I'm guessing.

    • @juniorjames7076
      @juniorjames7076 Рік тому

      I agreee, but of course I am biased. The Batman of my early '80s childhood (1982-1988) will always be my favorite era. The Dark Knight Detective was in ultimate form in the mid '80s with Brave and the Bold (art by Jim Aparo, stories by Mike Barr) being the best Bat book to buy, until he formed The Outsiders and then THAT became my favorite book. Batman stories were grimy, sometimes creepy, and even international- one minute in the backstreets of Gotham ghetto, next page following a clue to the backstreets of Istanbul or Budapest! Frank Miller's Dark Knight graphic novel in '86 put him over the top in mainstream media.

  • @Oscuros
    @Oscuros Рік тому +2

    This was really good, thank you. I look forward to the next instalment, when I first got into Batman as a little boy. But for this video, there were also some interesting insights into what Grant Morrison was referring to with his Batman as a family man idea when he came back after being "killed" by Darkseid.

  • @basilreid257
    @basilreid257 Рік тому +3

    Wow great history you did an amazing job I had no idea about the diver age Batman.

  • @Deadman1957TEB
    @Deadman1957TEB 10 місяців тому +2

    I tend to watch the smaller channels, the ones with a few people on, talking comics or nerdy stuff, and you can join in in the chat! But saying that the channels you've mentioned here, I've subscribed to a few including yours, as they look like fun, and with 60+ years of reading and collecting under my belt, I'm always willing to learn, and see what I've missed! Enjoyed this Vid, very much!

    • @ffiiggyy
      @ffiiggyy 9 місяців тому +1

      Question, did you base your username on the DC character?

    • @Deadman1957TEB
      @Deadman1957TEB 9 місяців тому +1

      @@ffiiggyy Yes, one of my favourites!

  • @davebielke6319
    @davebielke6319 Рік тому +6

    My 70s Batman was a finesse, acrobatic, detective. Not the Darknight yet but still a great mystery he needed to solve every issue

  • @BenedictPH
    @BenedictPH 4 місяці тому +1

    I agree with you. Though I still forgot time to time that Silver Age Batman IS still the Prime Counterpart we follow until now

  • @patrickvillers6454
    @patrickvillers6454 Рік тому +5

    My favorite Batman comic book artist of all time is Carmine Infantino when I was a kid growing up in 1966 I had Batman an Robin posters on My wall by Carmine Infantino not to mention a large assortment of Batman comic books.

  • @peterwoodhouse4314
    @peterwoodhouse4314 Рік тому +4

    It's funny to reflect how Superman in the Fifties was the golden goose. Action, Adventure, Lois L., Jimmy O. all sold 300,000+ to half a mil+ solidly into the mid and late 60s, let alone the Superman flagship title. Then Batman's books surged post-TV show (as did the overall sales landscape), before nearly every DC title slumped as Marvel picked up and comic sales crashed into the 70s.
    Now given Nolan's film trilogy and post-Grant Morrison, Batman seems to be DC's sole winning multimedia formula while they don't know what to do with Supes.

  • @StormRaider14
    @StormRaider14 Рік тому +2

    Amazing video! :)

  • @michaelchoman1625
    @michaelchoman1625 Рік тому +9

    Mr. Zero would later become Mr. Freeze, you know.

  • @christianemden7637
    @christianemden7637 Рік тому +40

    Funnily enough applying everything that worked for Superman to Batman was a major desaster, but somebody thinking decades later applying the things working for Batman (dark, brooding) to Superman would be a good idea. Which gave us man of steel, and no I don’t like it.

    • @shriramasokan5726
      @shriramasokan5726 Рік тому +3

      you mean the movie right and i loved it

    • @steveturner609
      @steveturner609 Рік тому +1

      Well I loved Man Of Steel, I think it’s an absolutely fantastic movie, awesome and epic in its scope, and just every about it was so good! It has a timeless quality about it, and perhaps that’s why it is now finally ( a Decade after it’s Theatrical Release) beginning to garner the Respect and Recognition that it so richly deserves!!

    • @Nuhnighna729
      @Nuhnighna729 10 місяців тому +2

      It was trash

  • @MickAshMetalMan
    @MickAshMetalMan Рік тому +4

    Thank you, that's a great video!

  • @aidanhever3369
    @aidanhever3369 Рік тому +7

    Do you remember the second and third season of the 1967 Spiderman cartoon, where he finds himself in a nightmarish atmosphere and fights bizarre aliens and demons ? Kinda like that, but worse.

  • @OlgaZuccati
    @OlgaZuccati 7 місяців тому +1

    "While Batman struggled to keep a straight face" by osiris, that pun had me in

  • @CZ-PC
    @CZ-PC Місяць тому +2

    I think Bill Finger was fucking with us

  • @misterlyle.
    @misterlyle. Рік тому +3

    Fascinating video, but I am a bit confused. I started buying Batman comics with the one you feature here--Robin is leaving for college, and Batman is closing the Batcave. That cover with the Batmobile in back is about the last time we would see that 1960s design (based on the Lincoln Futura/Barris Batmobile). In that general time frame, the artists were producing a more realistic style and there were no TV villains. The Golden Age style was distinctly different, as was the intermediary period during the second half of the 1960s. Later would hear mentions of "Silver Age." I have previously understood that my comic collection is from the Silver Age, but the time frame isn't aligned with your narration in this video. Some of what you describe as from the Silver Age I would have considered clearly part of the Golden Age, including for example, the original Bat-woman. Now I am seeing from Wikipedia that there has been some controversy about when one age ends, and the next begins. Presumably, one would have to consider my collection to be from the early Bronze Age, but that must be some kind of retroactive re-classification. Is this a topic you can clarify?

    • @SalazarKnight
      @SalazarKnight  Рік тому +2

      To my knowledge and understanding, this is what historians have generally agreed upon:
      - Golden Age | Start: 1939; End: mid-1950s
      - Silver Age | Start: mid-1950s; End: 1969
      - Bronze Age | Start: early-1970s; End: 1986
      This is the categorization system that I've known for as long as I can remember. Then again, I didn't live to see those ages happening in real time, so if this is a retroactive arrangement, I couldn't tell.

    • @misterlyle.
      @misterlyle. Рік тому +2

      @@SalazarKnight Thanks for the reply. There is an analog in other areas regarding the naming of things in history. Nobody called WWI by that name until much later. In 2001, saying "nine-eleven" would have confused people. There was no such thing as the Internet during the 1970s, so social customs progressed in the traditional way, not under pressure from media narratives or social influencers. As I mentioned before, in the early 1970s, I never heard mention of the "Silver Age"; that came later to differentiate that time from the Golden Age. Using the expression "Bronze Age" even later yet. According to the Wikipedia article, the current comics time period has two different names, Modern Age and Dark Age. I predict one of those will win out.

    • @lafelong
      @lafelong Рік тому +1

      @@SalazarKnight I lived through some of this, and I'd agree with this timeline (we didn't really name these "ages" until later like @misterlyle. says below, but we could easily recognize them by the artwork at the time).
      Even though I started reading and buying comics in the early bronze age, I had inherited a ton of Golden/Silver age comics from older cousins/uncles - my comics were 90% DC.
      Great video, btw. You mention the wackiness of the Batman titles, but the Superman titles were doing the same thing - the "What If?..." and Jimmy Olsen stories were pretty crazy. lol.
      As far as Batman artists go - Carmine Infantino, Dick Giordano, Neal Adams, Jim Aparo. 'nuff said.

  • @HrvojeGrahovac
    @HrvojeGrahovac Рік тому +2

    Silver Age started in 1961 with the release of Fantastic Four #1
    The foundation of the O'Neil/Adams stories are in the Bob Haney stories in Brave and the Bold and Frank Robbins in Detective Comics in the late 1960s

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 7 місяців тому

      Well, the official beginning of the Silver Age is with the institution of the Comics Code Authority.
      The Golden Age technically ended with V-J Day too.
      By the way, the Bronze Age began with Jack Kirby leaving Marvel for DC, and the Dark Age began with Crisis on Infinite Earths and ended with Grant Morrison's Justice League.

  • @XX-sp3tt
    @XX-sp3tt Рік тому +3

    Planetman showed up in Brave and the Bold, and bravely defended Pluto's right to be a planet.

  • @therussiancomicbookgeek
    @therussiancomicbookgeek Рік тому +1

    I can’t wait for the Bronze Age video

  • @gordsexton6781
    @gordsexton6781 3 місяці тому +1

    I think Carmine Infantino was the best Batman artist.😊 The design of the title (I don't know if Carmine did this) was awesome. I'm pretty sure it was done between 1965 - 1969. Adam West is my favorite Batman. (Others I like are the cartoon Batmans .. the animated series in the 1990s, and the Lego Batman). People call the Batman stories from the mid 1960s "campy". I enjoyed them, and I had many of the books. It was a great time to be growing up. 😃

  • @richardmark9161
    @richardmark9161 Рік тому +4

    McFarlane Toys is actually making The Whirly Bat vehicle for his updated Super Powers line 🚁 🦇

  • @Ksawarrior
    @Ksawarrior Рік тому +4

    So, is the stuff like Red Hood on the Golden Age video?

  • @Chaogardenx
    @Chaogardenx Рік тому +2

    Incredible video

  • @TK-xh8oj
    @TK-xh8oj Рік тому +1

    Very much looking forward to Bronze Age Batman video. Mahalo

  • @rottensquid
    @rottensquid Рік тому +8

    Man, you really take ol' Bob Kane to task on this video. Nicely done. Bill Finger got a raw deal in so many ways.

  • @Firenight569
    @Firenight569 Рік тому +1

    I wished I didn’t have to wait for your video.

  • @Gimili10
    @Gimili10 Рік тому +3

    Silver Age Batman can be described in three words: trial and error.

  • @juniorjames7076
    @juniorjames7076 Рік тому +2

    Of course I am biased, but the Batman of my early '80s childhood (1982-1988) will always be my favorite era. The Dark Knight Detective was in ultimate form in the mid '80s, Brave and the Bold (art by Jim Aparo, stories by Mike Barr) became the best Bat book to buy, until he formed The Outsiders and then THAT became my favorite book. Frank Miller's Dark Knight graphic novel in '84 put him over the top in mainstream media.

    • @SalazarKnight
      @SalazarKnight  Рік тому +1

      My next video is going to be all about that fantastic era!

  • @Jorge-cf6xk
    @Jorge-cf6xk Рік тому +1

    WELL DONE! subscribed and liked...........

  • @YahyaAlfitna
    @YahyaAlfitna Рік тому +8

    I think that psychologist had his own issues which he projected onto the comics.

  • @MrJohnffrey87
    @MrJohnffrey87 Рік тому +7

    At least until Neal Adams and Dennis O’Neill came in and fixed it.

  • @22Gugoo22
    @22Gugoo22 Рік тому +2

    Please make an video about all the comics references and stories adapted in the Batman TV Series from '66

    • @d-manthecaptain1382
      @d-manthecaptain1382 Рік тому +1

      "Hi Diddle Riddle"/"Smack in the Middle" are based on "Remarkable Ruse of the Riddler!" from Batman #171, and "The Joker's Last Laugh!" from Detective Comics #332.
      "Fine Feathered Finks"/"The Penguin's a Jinx" are based on "Partners In Plunder!" from Batman #169.
      "The Joker Is Wild"/"Batman Is Riled" are based on "The Joker's Utility Belt!" from Batman #73.
      "Instant Freeze"/"Rats Like Cheese" are based on "The Ice Crimes Of Mr. Zero" from Batman #121 (and perhaps also "The Princess Of Plunder" from Batman #10?)
      "Zelda the Great"/"A Death Worse Than Fate" are based on "Batman's Inescapable Doom-Trap!" from Detective Comics #346
      "The Thirteenth Hat"/"Batman Stands Pat" as well as "The Contaminated Cowl"/"The Mad Hatter Runs Afoul" are all based on "The Mad Hatter Of Gotham City" from Detective Comics #230 and "The New Crimes Of The Mad Hatter" from Batman #161.
      "The Joker Trumps an Ace"/"Batman Sets the Pace" are based on "A Hairpin, a Hoe, a Hacksaw, a Hole In the Ground!" from Batman #53.
      King Tut may have been inspired by the villain of "Wolf, the Crime Master" from Batman #2?
      False Face is taken from the story "The Menace of False Face" from Batman #113
      "Death in Slow Motion"/"The Riddler's False Notion" are based on "The Joker's Comedy Capers!" from Detective Comics #341.
      "The Penguin's Nest"/"The Bird's Last Jest" are based on "The Penguin's Nest!" from Batman #36.
      "Batman's Anniversary"/"A Riddling Controversy are based on "The Riddler" from Detective Comics #140 and "Batman's Deadly Birthday" from Batman #130.

  • @jetuwu8960
    @jetuwu8960 Рік тому +3

    Common W content pls don’t stop🙏🙏

  • @FirstnameLastname-my7bz
    @FirstnameLastname-my7bz Рік тому +2

    That's not true. All comic code rules were ALREADY started implementing at DC in 1941 for all superheroes, including abiding law, no kills, no kidnapping or torture, no guns usage (before that even Superman was shooting, like in Action Comics 23 first Luthor appearance), etc etc etc. Since guy who made Comics code Whitney Ellsworth literally worked at DC as global editor!
    There began some notorious exceptions in WW2 covers (but only in covers) and in 60's , but only after 70's Superman and Batman killed again by proxy.

  • @PeterTennant
    @PeterTennant Рік тому +6

    I kinda like less dark Batman. Serious detective stories but also have some fun

  • @XX-sp3tt
    @XX-sp3tt Рік тому +3

    14:47 Ironic, given Batman would simply build another family.

  • @LucasDarkGiygas
    @LucasDarkGiygas Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video

  • @joshuanelson6795
    @joshuanelson6795 Рік тому +4

    Despite the writing not being up to modern standards, I think there's a lot of fun to be had with Silver Age comics...for Marvel. I've always thought that Silver Age DC stories were mostly terrible, and this video was a stark reminder of why. The Bronze Age really did save Batman comics (and arguably the industry as a whole) from being written off as childish nonsense.

  • @bluespaceman7937
    @bluespaceman7937 Рік тому +4

    Good video about comics history.

  • @RawEditProductions
    @RawEditProductions Рік тому +1

    amazing bro

  • @noelpizarro3812
    @noelpizarro3812 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic history recap!

  • @foxyfoxington2651
    @foxyfoxington2651 Рік тому +7

    Ironically, wacky silver-age Batman film might be just the thing the super hero genre needs right now.

    • @kyledamron
      @kyledamron 7 місяців тому +1

      Im not so sure. I love Adam West's Batman because I grew up watching reruns of it in the 90s, But as an adult I'm pretty sure you would get Clooney's Batman and Robin.

    • @foxyfoxington2651
      @foxyfoxington2651 7 місяців тому

      @@kyledamron Honestly, I'd take Clooney's Batman and Robin over another boring explosion-fest... And I'm saying that as someone who used to be a big fan of 90s action movies. 30 years on the formula has gotten stale.