Thor's Wife Sif True Meaning: Translation, Attestations, Theories of Norse Gods/Deities
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- The generally agreed upon theory among scholars is that Sif's is the Earth Goddess and represents a specific aspect of land/soil. This video goes over all of the sources about the wife of Thor.
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Every God/deity/character in the Norse myths had a translation and real meaning. When we start to understand this, we can see that the Norse pagan myths were not just a bunch of unbelievable stories meant to entertain children. We should not assume that our ancestors were that dumb to actually believe in these things. All of the myths and gods symbolize real things in nature, the cosmos, universe and spirituality. Although we don't know exactly what these myths represent all of the time and theories are debated, we have to look at these things to determine the most logical ones and discover the real truth.
00:00- Intro
00:28- Translation
00:58- Attestations
05:05- Theories/Explanations
Thank you for reminding everyone it all comes back to animism. I'm in Kentucky, hard to find people to talk to. Bible belt 😂 keep the videos coming!
Bible belt living can be real good but also real frustrating. Can’t really speak your mind a lot on these topics.
I feel ya. I'm not quite in the belt, but ohio is close enough. I mean our small town has one of the largest catholic churches in the entire state. Bleh lol 🍻
Regarding the fact that Sif’s son Ullr does not come from Thor, and Modi and Magni’s mother is Jarnsaxa, It is quite possible that our ancestors understood these offspring to have been born before Thor and Sif married. Similarly, these two stories say that the topic of infidelity was used as a taunt. The stories never say that Sif actually was unfaithful. I think that the point of the story is that both Odinn and Loki have the ability to use words to unsettle an opponent. Let’s look at the situation from a more practical standpoint, however. We live in an age where we are largely protected from the consequence of our actions. We can run our mouths and imagine ourselves to be tough. These stories are coming from a time when consequences often immediately followed actions. We see Asa-Torr knock down mountains with his hammer, and eventually kill the Midgard serpent. He lays waste to whole hordes of Jotuns. When he comes for you, he is unstoppable. What makes these tales humorous is that one would have to have a death-wish to make advances towards Thor’s wife. Joking about that is akin to saying that one might go for a stroll in the midst of a savage thunderstorm.
One last thing about Thor. Historians frequently say that Iron Age hammers show up in graves, probably as a response to Christians wearing cross amulets. But archeologists find “thunderstones”, bronze axe/hammers, and stone axes in graves going back through the Bronze Age and the Stone Age. Most likely, there has never been a time that we didn’t venerate the Thunderer, under one name or another.
agreed. loki calls all the gods cowards and all the goddesses sluts. i think what loke is doing there is deliberatly misinterpreting the myths, to mock, showing how you wouldnt understand the myths if you dont have the key of symbolism
i got that from maria kvilhag, lady of the labyrinth
Love to see everyone voices an option in the comments and no one is attacking anyone just listening and understanding other points of view
Good analogy for modern Seidr is cheerleading by girls/women for mens sports in the US, this is taught and used at even very young ages in school in America. The girls cheering on the sports team are usually wearing scantily clad uniforms in school colors and singing chants insulting the opponent or praising the home team. At least during the time I went to school in elementary, post elementary and university. Its still a big deal even to this day. Nice to see that some things never change in human psychology. :)
Great work again and thanks for sharing. I really appreciate your efforts and the ease at which you make this understandable and relatable.
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I find Loki super interesting, especially with how he links all of the gods and other forces together.
Sif is a skank? Even if you discount the theme of Loki being a liar, and take it at face value, a Norse goddess having more than one lover hardly classifies her as a skank. In fact, Njord outright says as much. But have you ever considered that when Loki gave Sif the shame cut, the result was that Loki had to produce the golden hair? This would seem to indicate that Loki falsely accused her of adultery (via the shame cut), but he had to compensate her by producing the golden hair. Had there been any truth to Loki’s accusation, it doesn’t make any sense for him to owe compensation. This seems more likely, especially given Loki’s reputation for lies and deceitfulness, than that Sif was an adulteress and continued to be accepted and honored in Asgard.
All good points! You should see the full video on Sif's Hair I did. That will answer some things.
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Yeah, I generally like his videos and appreciate the insight into ancient magical practices, but I have to say the blatant disrespect shown towards Sif in this video is off-putting. A heathen would know that the gods should be shown respect. Thor would certainly not appreciate someone calling his wife a skank, especially when the only grounds for it are from Odin (who has been shown being dishonest multiple times in the myths) during a flyting, and a drunk Loki. Also, the only source mentioning Ullr being the son of Sif, but not Thor is Snorri, who is a known liar. But even if Sif is Ullr's mother, that does not mean she cheated on Thor. It is not specified that Ullr was conceived after they were married.
@Blanc Neige Odin is dishonest several times throughout the myths though. That's not a moral judgment of his character, it's an observation. Calling sif a skank is moral judgment however. And it's the same prudish morals that Christians push.
I am increasingly impressed with your videos.
Being not as experienced or well read, I have a notion I'd like to present; Loki's shaving of Sif's hair is symbolic of clearing land for crops and cattle. Only after Sif's head is sheered of it's original and unwanted strands may the golden grains and other things benefiting man grow and feed. Loki perhaps is the plowing of Sif even after her hair is golden. Necessary maintence while Thor is away battling Jotuns. Like you said, "the milkman".
Great use of Western pop-culture refferences, it greatly facilitated your video, do not hesitate to use easy to recognize iconography, it help us laymen relate.
Also, is there any literature pointing to our story as the origin of "Rumplestiltskin" ? It just dawn on me the glaring simularities...
You got it :) That is along the lines of what the scholars have theorized. I did a full video about sifs hair here.
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I don't know the history of rumpelstiltskin so well. But we can assume of course it is much older then we think. It may be worth looking into. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 You're welcome, I checked that video out and commented a notion or two there also. As many perspectives as possible can help strip away layers of distortion and add ones of meaning. Ours is a changing, growing faith in so very many ways.
Loki's actions are chaotic. Sometimes this chaos leads to good outcomes, inadvertently, and sometimes his chaos leads to sorrow.
All change requires an element of chaos.
The piece about clearing away the original ground cover, perhaps in the form of a wildfire, make sense. Loki is the god of fire, but fire in its untamed form, not a god of the hearth.
Loki would not be involved in any productive maintenance, therefore. Fires can lead to more fertile fields, but usually their destruction far outweighs the benefits. Picture that you are a farmer - Are you ever happy to see your fields on fire?
Setting aside the more nature-based aspects of the story, we see that by valuing the sworn bonds of matrimony, and be being steadfast, both Sif and Thor end up better off, despite Loki's attempt to poison their relationship with his actions and lies. The lore is teaching us how to prevail against clever manipulations. If Thor had a weaker character, he might have let Loki get in his head and ruin his marriage, but he essentially outwitted Loki by knowing the character of Sif, and refusing to play Loki's game. There is a reason why at the temple at Uppsala, the central figure was Thor, upon a throne.
It is known slavic people established trading posts in towns villages called Yarmarok , making small villages bigger and prosperous. In slavic Trudur means hard earned, hard labour, Loridi might come from laurel plant which symbolizes Victory ( seems boys were preffered and girls were considered burdensome)
Loridi would probably be geomagnetism or geothermal heat, which is because of the rotation of earth and loki seasons, or rather the earth wooble on the axis, it's a 26920 year full circle wooble, that would probably cause climate changes, which would be a bit like a cruel joke, and it's actually a meteor that made that happen, so it became part of earth, which would mean he was half ice giant and part god...
A little too vulgar regarding Sif, (I wouldn't call her a skank, etc, or use Marvel comics depictions of the Gods) but interesting video nonetheless. I just made a video about Loki and mentioned the implications of Loki cutting off Sif's hair, it was a 'shame cut' back in the day that meant a woman was unfaithful. I see 'heathen' women running around with shaved heads and it tells me they don't get their own cultural taboos.
Hah one day i will be able to hire an animator instead of using stock images. But I'll never stop being vulgar. lol.
Yes there is alot of things people don't understand about their own religion unfortunately. I'll check out that video!
In many Native American traditions, it's "Father Sky," and "Mother Earth." And when there is a thunder storm, it's considered to be them two making love.
Your videos are hilariously awesome and finally some good info. Thanks for not wearing a squirrel pelt and looking like a jackass and giving shit info. Now I’ve gotta watch all your stuff lol 🍻
Loki represents entropy and the unyielding movement from his moment into the next that even odin is powerless against until ragnorok
I find it interesting that Ullr and Skadi. Two different realms, but both are associated with two common things.
I think Loki is the lightning, which is always chased by the thunder (Þórr), and the cutting of Sif's hair is lightning striking the fields of wheat. Loki's Proto Germanic name is *Laugaz (the blazing one) or *Laugatjanaz (the blazing god) which is similar to the Proto Germanic word for lightning, *laugiþō. The three words all come from the some PIE root *leuk- (bright, shine).
You are very correct. That is what most of the scholars theorize as well. Somehow it seems as lightning ant "katalist" were believed to be connected. Video on Loki coming soon.
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 "Catalyst" got me thinking... I've heard that Loki (as well as Pan, Kernunnos, Veles, and the like) were symbols for adrenaline or hormones required during pregnancy and (re)birth. Loki was chosen to symbolize this because of his close relationship as lightning, with the thunder/heartbeat (our own thunder that chases out our biological lightning), and also why he is Þórr's travel companion in Þrýmskviða, a story about rebirth where Þórr, disguised as Freyja, is the fertilized egg or embryo (which requires certain hormones to accompany it into the womb or the mother's antibodies will detect foreign DNA and attack it). Also, I just watched your video on Mjöllnir and decided I'd reply here since that video is months older. The stone that Mjöllnir/*Meldunjaz, Molniya, etc. is the striking stones used to make sparks (lightning) to light fires (or bring out the power of the sun within the trees). Thanks for your time to reply, I'm really enjoying your videos!
@@fvrorpoeticvs Yesss thats all right. Sounds like you have been reading Varg or Vegard's books. I didn't know about those other gods too though
The word you are looking for is the Trickster force or the flow of acausal ordering that is the weft that binds the warp of causation together.
So the farmers all laughed at Lokasena because they have ALL plowed Sif. 😆
Great interpretation
10:50 Lóriđi could represent gravity. I'm sure that any fool could notice things fall down towards the earth. I'd be suprised if folks back then didn't notice that.
I could be wrong but what about earthquakes and volcanic eruptions? Or magnetic fields?
I liked your video its got humour and information. Very informative video with jokes and history combined. Not very serious which I like about you.
I really wish he would stop putting the thumping music in the background, sometimes it almost overpowers some of the words, and it doesn't exactly help you into a learning state of mind to listen to techno.
Lokasenna is hands down the best! 😄
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What about gravity as a force from the earth for Thor and Sif’s son? It’s involved in the regulation/stabilization of the earth’s electromagnetic field which is associated with Thor if I remember correctly.
But is gravity real?
Of all The AESIR: only ALLFATHER had a comeback ready, when Loki was talking shit.
Also, it is noteworthy that Loki murdered AEGIR'S servant right there in the hall. This myth is an example of Nithingsvark. It wasn't his first offense, either; but it would be his last. We should probably be careful not to turn him into a hero. He was s Nithing. An example of what NOT to emulate.
Does this make Sif and Ullr Vanir deities?
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I'd say that Loki is evolution.
@@quicksilver2154 Still the monkeys and us had the same progenitor, I suppose.
I'd say evolution is our modern term for systematic happening changes. If trial and error was the primitive power triggering our planet and life on it, that would make Loki the most important forces of all. Revolutionary.
Robert Sass says there is no equivalent to Loki in Old Saxon Heathenry.
I completely agree with you. But there's a another theory about the gods.
There's also the ancestral worship tradition deep rooted in paganism. And how ancient people used to think of their Kings/rulers as they were gods to them, and Kings used to think of his people as his children. You know how we used to think like we are the descendants of our gods. This ancestral worship, worship of heroes, and worship of good Kings, it is a evolution of how they could have been turned into gods.
Yes and definitely there are historical records of gods being ancestord to Kings in Northern Europe(Or at least real humans with the same names as the gods that possibly came before). There are many theories as to why this is, but what is clear is that of course the gods in the myths are very differnt to the "gods" we have recorded in various chronicles as real people. Not quite sure what i believe, but I spoke about it in this video and would love to hear any ideas from you.
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@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 Sir I have deleted my previous comment after watching your recommended video. You have completely changed my opinion on norse gods. I thank you.
@@Torsteinhauger Dont worry man. I would of course love to hear your theories/beliefs and they are as valid as anyone elses. All I try to to is connect the dots between all the sources and give ideas. Wish you well on your learnings!
Loki is chaos, hence why christians hated him and made him equal to the devil since "order" to abrahamic religions means good, but in reality chaos and order can both be good or bad (obviously).
If Thor's wife cheating on him what hope do us mere mortals with woman
Seems like Ull may have inspired Robin Hood.....or was that Herne the Hunter?
I noticed that a lot of nordic women have very thin hair... sadly...
I don’t think that it is unreasonable to suggest that our lad use more respectful language regarding Sif.
In his defense, he is referencing bawdy stories, and conveying something of that tone. He is a young man, full of enthusiasm, and doing good work here on a number of topics that have value to our folk.
On the other hand, Sif is the representation of an ideal for us, and should be addressed with respect. I suspect that a few decades from now, when our young man has a loving wife who has given him children, and been through life’s ups and downs with him, he may think back and wish he had used more appropriate language.
Tthere are also times when I have sworn in Swedish, which is not my native tongue, and my
Swedish friends have told me to take it down a notch. We don’t always fully appreciate the norms associated with strong language when speaking a second or third language. There is a line between bawdy and raunchy, and our lad may not have appreciated where that line is in English. Or perhaps he just got carried away.
The world is an ugly enough place as it is, as times. Our job is to reduce the ugliness that we ourselves produce, and hopefully to learn to connect with the transcendent to the greatest extent we can manage.
where the hell you been? Might be my fault...
kind of upset me that you referred to Sif as a skank- otherwise enjoy your videos