Magni and Modi True Meaning: Translation, Attestations, Theories of Norse Gods/Deities
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Every God/deity/character in the Norse myths had a translation and real meaning. When we start to understand this, we can see that the Norse pagan myths were not just a bunch of unbelievable stories meant to entertain children. We should not assume that our ancestors were that dumb to actually believe in these things. All of the myths and gods symbolize real spiritual things in nature, the cosmos, universe, our own bodies. Although we don't know exactly what these myths represent all of the time and theories are debated, we have to look at these things to determine the most logical ones and discover the real truth.
In Norse mythology, Móði and Magni are the sons of Thor. Their names translate to "Wrath" and "Mighty," respectively. Rudolf Simek states that, along with Thor's daughter Þrúðr ("Strength"), they embody their father's features.
Móði and Magni's descent from Thor is attested by the kennings "Móði's father" (faðir Móða, in Hymiskviða, 34) and "Magni's father" (faðir Magna, in Þórsdrápa and Hárbarðsljóð, 53). Snorri Sturluson confirms it (Gylfaginning, 53, Skáldskaparmál, 4). According to Skáldskaparmál (17) Magni is the son of Thor and the Jötunn Járnsaxa.
Magni. The word itself related to mægen/megin, i.e. the force of life. In an animistic world everything has life force, the power to act. Therefore everything is related to Magni. The name is also related to English 'make', 'might/mighty' and also German 'machen' and 'mag'. Same thing with Swedish 'makt' (power/force) and 'mäktig' (powerful). Magni has to do with life force, the ability to act and to change. What has Magni (megin) is animate. What doesn't is inanimate.
Pretty wild how insightful these stories and beliefs are wish I could have witness the culture during that time era from a time bubble lol
If you add a "G" at the end the word Modi, you get the Danish word "modig" which means brave.
Yeah noticed that too
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@@Wiwaz Magni - Magne (Norwegian name) - Magnetism. Some claim the electric force (lightning and Thor) and the magnetic force are different aspects/manifestations of the same force, or that magnetism for instance may appear as an attribute of electricity (a sub-manifestation). This stance is advocated by Ken from the Theoria Apophasis youtube channel.
I absolutely love how our ancestors linked primeval forces of nature and self with an incredibly rich pantheon of gods/goddesses and a trove of lessons best learned early. I couldn't be more proud of the people that made me....me!
I guess I just need to live up there for awhile. My Grandparents ( on my Moms side) came to the US by boat from Sweden. My Dad, despite knowing anything of His Father (His birth certificate shows unknown) is from England, and We know how We integrated Ourselves in there. I supposedly have family in Norway and the Grandparents I know about came from Sweden. We actually spoke Swedish when I was little. I need to get back there to understand more of this. I’ve answered the questions my friends have. Now I’m running out of stories I know. I need more and better knowledge for deeper questions. By the way, You are a treasure and a treasure trove of information. Thank You!
My grandmother told the story of Magni as an infant throwing the leg(s) of Hrungnir off of Þörr. She said Modi was the god of the berserkergangr. She had another involving them but she only recited it once before she passed, and I don't remember it.
Grannies are the best.
You are so lucky to have a grandmother like that. I have no such memories of my grandparents
I have heard that modi is the god of the berserkergangr too
To me it looks to be a more literal thing in that when thor's protection is no longer there or is somehow pushed away, the ones who have strength and courage will be likely to persevere and overcome their problems.
Great interpetation.
Enjoyed the video, considering what you have to say, I now view and understand mythology in a way that is obvious but did not consider before. Thank you
A great and sensible explanation as to their natures. I did not know of the distinction between the feminine and masculine natures of giants and I thank you for making the distinction clear.
Very interesting interpretation indeed. I've been thinking that maybe Ragnarok might point to the climate disaster that happened around year 536, due to the cooling following great volcanic eruptions. It seems it was very harsh conditions for years. But it might just as well be the ice age. Winter doesn't make sense considering the three years of fimbulvetr that comes ahead of Ragnarok.
That is what others have thought as well. I think it might be a bit earlier than that though if I remember right.
I'm Native American and I think our traditions and beliefs are similar in alot of ways. l've always been very fascinated with Vikings. Fighting for what they believe in. Not to mention the long hair!! my favorite. Beautiful
I am a Serbian immigrant to Canada. It is through the First Nations (how Native Americans call themselves in Canada) that I've discovered my own Old Slavic Faith, which in essence is the same as the Old Norse (Viking) faith, and very similar to the Native American beliefs. It is odd how it is only in Serbia that I feel the Slavic Gods everywhere. When I am in Canada I only feel the presence of Native American deities.
I understand Norse culture so much better thanks to you. Thank you 🙏
I like to think of ragnarok as the idea that all established order must inevitably fall into chaos in order to be transformed and renewed into something better. This seems to be true on all "planes" of being, from the most physical to the most abstract.
as someone with admittedly low info on the subject; i thought baldur was a metaphore for the sun. i.e.; when that fireball in the sky burns out we're screwed!
Since Loki had (in mythology) had three children with a giantess, the serpent, the wolf, and Hel, who would become the keeper of the underworld, I'd like to see you discuss their symbolism. Also, courage, the mother's protective instinct. Keep in mind there are many women in history and mythology who either protected or killed men while y'all were in your post coital coma. The courage is there, even in us.
killing someone asleep is no courage.
Great show and thanks for sharing. Chris
Really great video first time finding you I’m pretty sure and I’m glad I have stopped by and listen to your whole video and your intuition and piecing together things that’s really great.
Your theories are great my man, gets the brain ticking over.
My theory on Ragnarök is that it equates with the great deluge described in many cultures as the end of the world. Probably it happened at the end of the last glacial age about 15,000 years ago (or perhaps after a previous one since this happens cyclically on our planet).
Now, on every ship surviving the deluge across ancient mythologies there are demigods brothers/twins. In this case Magni and Moði surviving Ragnarök remind of Castor and Pollux joining Jason and the Argonauts, or Danaus and Aegyptus joining Osiris on his boat. The argonauts were coming from Arcadia (Asgard), and looking for the “golden fleece”, which is likely to be a metaphor for a new land where to give re-birth to human civilization. The Egyptians myth (and indirectly the Greek one) seems to relate with the myth of Atlanteans a superior civilization that must have looked like gods to the less evolved people who saw them arriving by sea… but that’s a whole long story to cover more in-depth elsewhere.
In conclusion I think Ragnarök goes hand in hand with the myth of Bergelmir, the ice giant surviving the flood caused by the death of Ymir… But I think Bergelmir explains more the cyclical nature of glaciations, weather Ragnarök might refer to what actually happens during the glacial ages when everything is frozen dead.
Perhaps you could make a video about Bergelmir if you haven’t already.
I like it :) And yes already done bergelmir
@@norsemagicandbeliefs8134 glad you like it ;) I’m gonna watch it then
my theory of ragnarok is admittedly simplified. it's that baldur is a metaphore for the sun. he dies. everything we know as life on earth is either gone or radicly changes. i think i can remember being taught as far back as kindergarten that the sun won't last forever.
I have always been fascinated about this culture and it wasn't until recently I found out my heritage. My grandmother's father was from Sweden. His parents were a Johnson and Borman and came over in the late 1800's and lived in Wisconsin. My grandmother was a very peculiar one so I guess I am not surprised. There was just something about her that didn't seem familiar as in her appearance and her speech. It's great that someone takes such pride in helping others to learn about their culture and for that I thank you.
Happy to help!. Very cool ancestry
Always a 10/10 video! Love it
Thanks for your videos...
Thank you again for the information. Very appreciated. :)
There are a few reptiles with "maternal instincts", especially crocodillains and several cobra varieties. Both build nests, lay eggs, guard the nest and protect newborns for several weeks after they hatch. Indeed, a mama alligator on her nest is about the only time they're every really "dangerous" (source: Native Floridaman) Baby gators actually make a cute little grunting sound to call their mother when hatching and when infants. Mothers will even transport babies around the pond by gently carrying them around in their mouths. Very sweet little Swamp Puppies. Thanks for all the great vids.
Love the content thank you good sir
Love the info about giantesses, did not know that. Perhaps the natural disaster of Hrungnir that inspired might and bravery was when mankind had to spread out from the African savanna, when due to climate and other environmental factors our population had been reduced to a mere few thousand and were forced to migrate North. Early morning thoughts. Great video, keep up the good work my friend.
There is a YT channel by an Indian scholar. He talks about some early hominids went to India and infighting got some to go Tibet and Mongolian way and some to spread through Europe. Celtic and some tribes believe from Western China. The part that is now Silk Road is embarrassing Han Chinese. Artifacts have fair or red haired mummies and some with conical hats. Taken to a museum basement right away. The persecuted Muslim Uighurs are a mixture of everything Silk Road and are in this area.
You might be out of Africa and walked a bit.
This same Indian scholar found a large river had dried up long ago from Monsoon cycles and climate change cycles (without our help).
@@jharnden7931 fascinating stuff
Nice video as always. I would love to see a video on Freyja.
I love the fact that children in the sagas already have beards, defeat grown enemies etc. it's so good 😄👍🔥
I find your channel very interesting never boring I also sub to the Welsh Viking. My favorite story is about how Finn McCool was support to fight a giant who was much bigger instead of defaulting f I recalling it right it's been a while dressed up as a baby and had his wife place him in a wagon and when the giant went looking for him and seen his wife with the baby left looking concerned
thanks for the vid. your theories seem well thought. must have been quite some work finidng all that graphic material.
Yes I realize what you said now so I thank you for your video and lesson
Awesome video brother. It very knowledgeable and very interesting! Hail Odin the Allfather
Good video 👍🏻
Nice man, Could you do the same type of video but about the valkyrie?
1:05 I loled pretty hard thx :)
Móði is son of Sif and Magni is the son of Járnsaxa both sons of Þór ..greatings from Iceland
Its "Surt" that bring on Ragnarok in Nordic mythology. Surt is a Danish word for acidic taste. Acidified oceans causes algae bloom, the real driver of climate change.
I know it sounds like "surt" as in acidic but the name "Surt" is related to "Sod" as from burning and is the base of our modern word for the coulor black as in "Sort".
Greenhouse gasses are the real cause of the rise in average global temperature. Algal blooms are a symptom of rising temperatures, along with too much chemical run-off.
You got Surt/sour wrong. You got climate change wrong. Yer makin' stuff up.
@@friedfish69 no, I'm a Dane living in Denmark, I know my own language. Algal blooms are feed by runoff from farming, here in Denmark we see the problems in our fjords each summer. The scale of the problem is always related to the preexisting pollution
Just a thought. The older Chinese have a story of "Sage Anger". When appropriate, you express anger in a quick burst that is usually surviable. One story has the pupil wrecking a boat fishing of a sage. In a quick burst he throws the pupil overboard and he gets back in. Among all the things, the sage has no additional anger or biological stress and continues on. The pupil does not do it again and nothing is bottled up inside.
Might relate to the wrath and/or 'beserker' thought.
I'm curious. How did those people that far north know about snakes? Especially constrictors? You showed a picture of a snake at 3:16 into your video.
We have snakes in norway and most places in the north. Poisonous but relatively harmless
I believe Ragnarok is the representation of how everything will fall into chaos without balance. The 3 winters in a row without a summer in between would cause starvation without the crops and everyone will start fighting each other because there is no food, no balance, no order and therefore, no life.
The god of thunder having 2 male children with a woman named Iron-hair (iron-scissors*)?
Sounds to me like they could alternatively be manifestations of forcefields and heat.
@Fredrik_S Jarnsaxa means Iron Cutless
@@vargr "Iron-Divider" would be the most unbiased and unmistakeable translation, and probably had a meaning or insinuation that is lost to us because we don't speak the language in the same way as they did, even though we descend from it.
Iron scissors sounds like extra care in mating.
@@fredriks5090 Jarn means iron, but saxa means knife. I'm having to go by my great grandmother's translation, she was Norwegian. I learnt alot from her, and while I'm not certain of every translation, I am of that because she had a curved belt knife she called a saxa. For all I know it could have been regional, we came from Svalbard, or it could be a word used in the family.
Sax or seax is a knife, plural of knife is scissors or shears. A pair of scissors is actually a pair of knives.
-Mind you, I *was only briefly aquatinted with the story of Ragnarok. So they say that in the distant future our Sun will explode and in it's fiery nova explosion the earth and mighty planets (Gods) would be burned into oblivion and die or be killed. This they said would eventually happen to all the stars in the universe and their surrounding planets as well. So imagining that happening in our solar system first, as a point of reference, we can then imagine there would be nothing left but cold, lifeless, emptiness. Pair that with the giant crossing the fire bridge (Sun exploding) and we have some pieces that fit rather nicely and yet we still have allot of things that I haven't accounted for or been able to tie together in a satisfactory way and I only know the story so well. That is what I had always thought the Ragnarok was or you could say how it made sense to me at the time and it still does. Anyways hope you enjoy the theory and perhaps it creates some sparks in the mind of others who could either flesh this idea out or help let it to rest of that happens to make more sense. I love your videos, theories, and generally everything that you bring to the table. Thanks a ton and much power and love to you and our people.
Also could I ask you what your saying at the beginnings and endings of your videos.
Sorta sounds like
"Willkommen Owes samon"
And
"Vee stay es nestagon"
I've always wondered what that means and how you say it.
I like the way this dude thinks
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. I find more similarities all the time with North American natives. I am from Alabama, and colonial expansion destroyed much of our tribal heritage. What is your view on modern hunting practices? I choose to hunt with traditional style bow made with modern materials. What are hunting practices like in your relm? How hard is it for a southern gentleman to visit and enjoy the wildlife? Taking an animal big or small to gain some of the strength from the north. Thank you.
Interesting.....I've been throwing around the idea that our current civilization is just one in a line of many. Basing this idea on the "fact" that this planet is many BILLIONS of years old, that would give plenty of time for civilizations to rise and fall multiple times. It would explain not only our old stories/myths/etc. ( the Norse Sagas, stories like Atlantis), but also the construction of the Pyramids along with other monolithic structures around the world. The idea that Thor "Battled" an "Ice Age" that lasted 100K years means he was there at the START of it. The ice age MAY have been what brought down the past Civilization, with humans eking out their survival at the equator +/- until the ice receded. Most of the monolithic structures that we find today are in/near the belt between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer, where the ice sheets never got to. That is why we never find monolithic structures outside of this band (North or South), because of how truly destructive the ice sheets/glaciers can be. Keep doing what you're doing.
The Old Norse Faith and Mythology has been very well documented and preserved. Unfortunately that is not the case with the Old Slavic Faith and Mythology. However, since these two faiths are closely related and basically the same in their essence, it is pretty safe to assume that we Slavs have Magni and Modi in our blood as well.
As a Slavic Serb I can clearly see those godly forces in the Serbian nation. Like Magni and Modi, we too are small in stature as a nation. We are gods' little naive children, with great might, bravery and courage to fight giants. Our dogged drive gets us nearly destroyed in the battle, but at the end it brings us victory.
For hundreds of years Serbs fought the Ottoman invasion and nearly got destroyed by it, but at the end it got destroyed by Serbia.
Then we fought the attempt to be swallowed by the gigantic Austro-Hungarian Empire. After little Serbia defeated their multiple invasion attempts, another giant, the German Empire, had to come to their aid. Not even such overwhelmingly powerful enemy was able to crush the Serbian peasant army. To avoid defeat, the entire Serbian army, with the king and all generals, withdrew on foot across high Albanian mountains to Greece. On the Greek island Corfu they recuperated, gained strength, and then they returned to Serbia to gloriously destroy the latest invader. It is the only case in history where the entire army completely left the territory of its country, and then returned to liberate it. It was our Ragnarok, in which we lost the quarter of our population, half of the males, and nearly all of the best and bravest fighters.
In the nineties we fought communism that was imposed onto us by the strategic interest of the giant British Empire. On top of that we had to fight the whole Nato, resulting in the temporary loss of our heartland, the holy land of Kosovo and Metohija. USA, the greatest giant of our times, took that land from us, but now that the USA interventionism is crumbling, the inevitable reunification of Kosovo and Metohija with Serbia is on the horizon.
Serbia, along with few other countries like Russia, Belalrus, Poland and Hungary, is solidly trenched in the defence against the Western European and American attack on the traditional family unit and national diversity values. (By the way, with the exception of Hungary, these countries are coincidentally all governed by a mentality that comes from the Old Slavic Faith.) If the Vikings came alive today, which side in this latest titanic Ragnarok battle do you think they would take?
When Skol & Hauti devours the Sun & Moon at Ragnarok, the Earth will freeze & lose its motion which will defunct the electromagnetism (probably). In fact, a day will come when the Sun will burn out & when it does, the moon will practically be invisible, so that aligns pretty well with the precursor theories! And if Magni & Modi represents our strength & courage, we will survive the doomsday by finding another planet with another star.
I have noticed that magni and modi aren’t very noticed by the pagan community
How would you explain Magni and Modi receiving Mjölnir and Gullfaxi? I guess mjölnir as the heartbeat makes sense. But how about Gullfaxi?
I was thinking maybe some very ancient weapon. Made from stone or volcanic tools. Gullfaxi was said to be hrungnirs horse.
i was under the impression that Fimbulwinter was the Ice Age
Well, that was a good 5 minute video, then you go off in a odd tangent about Thorr being Earth's magnetic field.
Yep. Eagerness to elevate our own views by connecting them to the ideas of the past is a common source of error. Heck, think of the weird notions Christians come up with.
Ah... So Odin is a real person.
Lets keep it that way. We know this is correct as well as Odin being a state of being.
Both are true.
On a separate comment I guess naming the stray cat Magne/Magni works out really well and he is in survival mode like you said he’s a wild or some people call it a feral cat even though he keeps trying to come in my house ha ha lol I think the name might suit him well.
Don't forget Baldur survives Ragnarok too!
I like to thing that magni is strength and modi is combat
Cool video bro. I personally believe that ragnarok might just represent old age. Everything fresh about human decays away. And they take rebirth via offspring.
Somebody had a video of mushrooms coming out of decay. Mushrooms biochemically communicate with each other and neighboring trees. So, your body had that to look forward to.
My belief is that it's a staged event. A time when it's ok and even encouraged to go into a Beserker state. Or at least a time to express ones individuality amongst the group. Like todays Burning Man. Well, like Burning Man 20+ years ago before Big Tech ruined it.
Now there is a good reading. Human stories have human meaning. Does Ragnorak recall a cataclysm? Quite possibly, but stories which last do so because they are rich in meaning. Aging and cataclysm in one mythic idea? Epic! (Sorry, couldn't stop myself.)
Humm my husband named a stay black cat 🐈⬛ they keeps coming by. He is very afraid of being pet, and being inside- I sense he doesn’t want to be trapped. He wants to eat, he’s out the cat 🐈 door 🚪 every night and 🚪in morning 6am and knows how to KNOCK on the door to SUMMON US!! lol to feed him.
My two cats 🐈 🐈 aren’t too happy yet MAGNE/ MAGNI doesn’t fight back with my male. I hope we see him have courage more. It’s getting 24F at night… he’s sleeping 💤 out in the cold 🥶 my husband built him a bin/shelter but he won’t go IN 🕳
This theory came to me when I was twelve years old in science class. Mind you, I
Love it my name surname is Moody Scottish family
Alligator mothers do care for their young, defending them in the nest.
"Aura"? "Electromagnetic field"? "Life force"? Way too much modern touchie-feelie smeared on what is actually known from sources. How would a culture without some concept electromagnetism come up with a god who represents an electromagnetic field?
Well with the eruptions someone is very upset in all folks in mythology being upset. I would love to whisper to certain ones that the true secret of the red squirrel is that the only fun they get is to keep everyone stirred up let everyone play the quiet game for one day I know they would be a white squirrel :D
Daughter of Sol has no name?
Do you have any tips or good ways of finding out more about your ancestry? I’m from Scotland so I assume it’s Celtic, are there any tell tale signs?
scotland had a few run ins with the scandinavians, if you're from the clans a sure sign maybe that your ancestors were called ban which means fair headed.
@@cecilrhodes1057 think a few 100 years ago my ancestors were in Ireland, so don’t know where to start haha
Probably Celt/Kelt then with some Scandinavian. Celt and Irish types went back in forth from the west of Scotland and the Isles (usually some Scandinavian) and Northeastern Ireland. If you were in Scotland and went to help a clan member in Ireland, I think they called you Gallowglass(?) (depends on the tone when they said it).
The area around Dublin and Tara/Meath and old and new Scandinavian mixed in from 1000 AD or earlier. DNA showed Bill Mahr and Bill O'Reilly (opposite politically) as very distant O'Neill cousins. O'Neills and MacNeill went back and forth. (Great Joseph Coat of Many Colors story if any one is interested.)
Neill is also related to Njal...the name as in Njal's Saga.
Alot of the islands in between became Scandinavian heritage. The Isles had a flexible living. Fishing, some sheep, and privateering/soldiering for a good and paying cause. (Look at old photos: two sheep and three small boats.) The haunting Skye Boat Song comes from that. A young daughter (Isles) rows the legit king past the Englsh ships to escape, in defiance of a neutral keeping Isle chief. Song is theme to the Outlander series. Best with flute.
You could have some related Pict on the Scottish side. You could have some Sidhe on the Irish side. Earlier than the Celts blended in or hid. Some of the Little People are legends and spirits and some were different and elusive pagans. The wrong side of Ireland to have 'Black' or Spanish shipwreck survivors (Spanish invaders shipwrecked (west coast, Gallway) after invited in to fight the English...and hid).
No relation to giants unless tall Scandinavians.
Well likely you have Anglo Saxon ancestry beyond that you can’t really know for certain so if you are looking for culture to feel connected too probably Germanic/Scandinavian culture/religion/mythology.
Thanks for all the replies, are there any Genealogists you guys could recommend or used previously? I find this stuff fascinating and I’d love to get more connected to whatever culture I’ve came from
I keep having visions of TYR,
And other gods fighting about earth and a direct effect a would say maybe it’s a representation of what will happen if we use nuclear weapons. Of course we have the battle going on in Russia and there’s also North Korea to worry about using nuclear but my visions have been happening before the major Ukraine Russian conflict started last year.
Leif Erikson discovered usa not Columbus
Dinosaurs and birds and some archeosaurs (crocodillians) protect their young.
Ive stared down a bear, and we stomped at each other, then he tucked tail and ran.
Most humans are like this too, so scared to die going mad at the sight of a scary. They're running on animal instinct, and hear not the whispers of the Divine.
Not to be too lewd and this is just a theory Magni and Mothi are Thorrs giant pair of man jewels he has to have pulled by a chariot of goats🔨
"tucked tail and ran" lmfao. The bear deemed you a non threat, stop thinking you scared that bear. You didn't. You're far too small for any bear to think of you as a threat.
@@brandondavis7777
Uh, he's a badass who hasn't been in a fight in forever, so know your place?
Can't add a thing... For the algorithm! fkn youtube..
"Animals have no courage," you clearly haven't seen a tiger. It will attack fully grown elephants on its own, hunt humans armed with guns without an once of fear and no, the sound of gunfire or a bullet to the shoulder or anything less than death will not stop it. This animal has no fear and it's not afraid to die.
There have been many accounts of tigers taking revenge on hunters after being shot - going into the hunter's house and ripping to shreds everything his scent was on and then going back outside to lay in wait for the armed man and kill him. There have also been reports of tigers going on human killing sprees, not to feed, but out of revenge.
Also, look up the black mamba if you think reptiles don't have courage.
Hahaha, interspersed giggles.
I cannot take you 100% serious.
Yea 2 jokes in the video. What a horrible teacher
@@kveldulfskallagrim731
Hahaha, yes it is, if you say so.
@@michellestobbs9317
You can take the knee pads off now
@@michellestobbs9317
I guess I am a successful troll since I got you twitching
@@michellestobbs9317
No. De-robed.