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  • @jessjess23brooks89
    @jessjess23brooks89 Місяць тому +1717

    Man, they are really making Simon Strong so dang likable.

    • @simonl1135
      @simonl1135 Місяць тому +79

      @jessjess23brooks89 He's muthafuking S(e/i)r Simon, you can't dislike the guy. He knows good food is important. He keeps a black goat of death. He don't give an f about the King Dot Dot Dot Consort or his dragon and walks in on his highs to remind him he was going to talk to muppets. Simon just doesn't give any fs.

    • @creed7426
      @creed7426 Місяць тому +15

      @@gleann_cuilinndude this is not good enough of a spoiler warning by the time I read the word I'd read enough of the sentence to put it together 😢

    • @Skiivin
      @Skiivin Місяць тому

      Just an old fart

    • @SolitaryLark
      @SolitaryLark Місяць тому +7

      @@gleann_cuilinnput more spaces before your spoilers dude

    • @Stax2High
      @Stax2High Місяць тому

      Dont trust him...... he should have explained what was up with this witch bastard running around. Can he see her?...

  • @leta.m7
    @leta.m7 Місяць тому +1632

    aegon calling out for his mum was so sad i wasn't prepared

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +112

      Did not expect to turn around & feel crazy bad for Aegon now lol

    • @manaash4316
      @manaash4316 Місяць тому +148

      Especially "mummy" like a child. I hate that they made me feel feelings for him two episodes in a row.

    • @pearljammies
      @pearljammies Місяць тому +66

      i was already crying, seeing Alicent touch him for the first time with affection, then the “mummy” absolutely destroyed me

    • @spencerkindra8822
      @spencerkindra8822 Місяць тому +65

      @@manaash4316 It's sad because he's still a "kid" by our standards. He's a king that's married and has children but he's only about 18 (which yes would make him legally an adult but barely) and looks even younger. Funny because in real life Tom Glynn-Carney is 29 haha.
      EDIT: In the scene when Aegon and Alicent are in the carriage on their way to the coronation, he says to her "My father had 20 years to name me his heir and never did." So Aegon is 20 so not a kid at all. But he still looks and acts young.

    • @michaelalan6459
      @michaelalan6459 Місяць тому +43

      He didn't want to be king. He only embraced it when he was shown acceptance by the commons, acceptance he felt he didn't receive from Viserys.

  • @ezshottah3732
    @ezshottah3732 Місяць тому +470

    “In democracy you can vote out the government…. I’ve heard” 😂😂😂 nicely put😂😂😂

    • @BurgermanForever-nh2vp
      @BurgermanForever-nh2vp Місяць тому +11

      The less we vote the less power it has

    • @ezshottah3732
      @ezshottah3732 Місяць тому +23

      @@BurgermanForever-nh2vp your votes are chosen for you

    • @alphasword5541
      @alphasword5541 Місяць тому +11

      @@BurgermanForever-nh2vp When your mummy gives the choice between McDonalds or Burger King that's what it means to be making big boy decisions for yourself

    • @kingofcards9516
      @kingofcards9516 Місяць тому

      He's heard wrong.

    • @Skiivin
      @Skiivin Місяць тому +2

      Well it’s not like we would know

  • @robinvik1
    @robinvik1 Місяць тому +446

    I really like the phrase "The traitor dragon Meleys!"
    How dare that dragon not declare for the right monarch!

    • @Warriorten10
      @Warriorten10 Місяць тому +46

      The gods put Aegon on the throne, and the wicked beast didn't heed their divine words

    • @Skiivin
      @Skiivin Місяць тому +8

      @@Warriorten10but… I thought dragons were gods

    • @juneack5848
      @juneack5848 Місяць тому +5

      This scene was funny to me.

    • @LikesLimes
      @LikesLimes Місяць тому +8

      Definitely implies dragons have free will and decision making abilities

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 Місяць тому +3

      but also the dragon is just meat

  • @j4ouurr
    @j4ouurr Місяць тому +375

    I absolutely loved seeing Jace come into his own. He’s really showing his capabilities as a diplomat and a future leader after struggling with feelings of inadequacy as a kid. Great character arc.

  • @wafflingmean4477
    @wafflingmean4477 Місяць тому +38

    I absolutely love that Simon Strong is using the war as an excuse to basically reconstruct Harrenhal's economy. His best case scenario is that the war fizzles out with no battles near Harrenhal, but during the war he managed to renovate his house and give the entire county a job.

  • @sambradley4741
    @sambradley4741 Місяць тому +704

    Alicent was having a straight up panic attack at the council. It was tough to watch but it was a great depiction of how it can feel.

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 Місяць тому +132

      It's also a great call back to her conversation with Rhaenys. "You have a window into power." And now the walls are closing in and that window has shut.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +72

      I was absolutely waiting for her to lose her gd mind & start yelling in that scene lol

    • @carmacksanderson3937
      @carmacksanderson3937 Місяць тому +30

      @@leebarbs7176 Same! I was damn sure that she was about to have a full-on meltdown

    • @ambros1624
      @ambros1624 Місяць тому +7

      Is that what an actual panic attack is like? I’m asking seriously not being sarcastic

    • @jrlombardi5251
      @jrlombardi5251 Місяць тому +42

      I actually really liked that bc people often doesn't know panic attacks can be as quiet as for someone to not move or make a sound the way you can be next to them and not notice they're having one, and that's also thanks to great majority of its representation being about the "loud" ones, like Helaena's with the small folk, so it was nice for once to see one of the quiet ones.

  • @dogman6687
    @dogman6687 Місяць тому +109

    7:47 I was always under the impression that Dany controlling 3 dragons was an extremely special case. Since she hatched them all and was the only Targ around to bond to. She is “The Mother of Dragons” something that has never been seen before

    • @whoschach
      @whoschach Місяць тому +5

      Also triplets
      Those 3 dragons should've been ridden by Dany, Jon and crazy Viserys ;(

    • @zizojaezekeom3565
      @zizojaezekeom3565 Місяць тому +2

      She's also the prince that was promised, without her dragons humanity wouldn't have survived so it's understandable that she was fire resistant and had great control of her dragons

  • @OneReallyGrumpyJill
    @OneReallyGrumpyJill Місяць тому +599

    War: literally happening
    Daemon: "Sure, I'll help you build the house, I guess I have time. Does the face above my bed has to cry blood btw?"

    • @design834
      @design834 Місяць тому +16

      Like Mr. Incredible... "Sure, I've got time."

    • @Gadget-Walkmen
      @Gadget-Walkmen Місяць тому +14

      He's doing that to pass the time.

    • @raymondl9320
      @raymondl9320 Місяць тому +42

      I swear everytime I see Daemon doing side quests id be like bruh for real?😂

    • @user-sl1wt1dv4y
      @user-sl1wt1dv4y Місяць тому +3

      that last bit was written and translated by aegon

    • @jackthezombiekiller
      @jackthezombiekiller Місяць тому +7

      you can't declare a war for a kingdom teir title without enough prestige, the harrenhall event will help as well as level up his stewardship.

  • @timaldridge6505
    @timaldridge6505 Місяць тому +524

    Given the first three children, a can't wait to see Daeron being just a semi-normal teenager who avoids the rest of his family.

    • @Miss_Distress
      @Miss_Distress Місяць тому +102

      Wanna see him come in and look at his family and just say “holy shit, these guys are crazy”

    • @johansmallberries9874
      @johansmallberries9874 Місяць тому +73

      Yeah, he’s the “boarding school kid” that only comes around at Christmas

    • @perjulianlundbergtande8956
      @perjulianlundbergtande8956 Місяць тому +26

      @@johansmallberries9874 not even lmao remember Viserys´ last meal with his "entire family save Rhaenys" haha however, Daeron wasn´t even mentioned.. suggesting he has never been part of his family - i.e., only been in Oldtown haha

    • @emilyvalentine4565
      @emilyvalentine4565 Місяць тому +6

      I feel like he could get along with Helaena, it seems to me like she just experiences the world differently than everyone else but is otherwise a nice normal girl tbf. Certainly she has no love for Aegon and I imagine she wouldn't for Aemond, so maybe they'd agree that those two are mad and entirely too violent.

    • @merrittanimation7721
      @merrittanimation7721 Місяць тому +10

      Imagine if he’s upset he wasn’t close to his family growing up before being exposed to them and realizing he dodged the metaphorical arrow

  • @kevinescobar370
    @kevinescobar370 Місяць тому +867

    Daemon: *Tells willlem Blackwood to do some menace shit*
    Blackwoods: *Terrorizes the brackens and riverlords*
    Daemon: How could you do this?……With my banner!

    • @tbrown5836
      @tbrown5836 Місяць тому +134

      He probably didn’t think they’d parade his banners around

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +29

      That's the thing from "The Prince", Daemon read it apparently...

    • @tiestofalljays
      @tiestofalljays Місяць тому +263

      Daemon specifically told them that the crown can’t be seen carrying out atrocities, etc.
      The Blackwoods ignored his instructions.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +120

      @@tiestofalljayslol 1000% they did NOT understand the assignment

    • @kevinescobar370
      @kevinescobar370 Місяць тому +41

      @@tiestofalljays “that’s not going to stop me I can’t read”

  • @kostiszantos7944
    @kostiszantos7944 Місяць тому +191

    Aegon: Mommy... :(
    Daemon: Mommy!! ;)

    • @TheEtherny
      @TheEtherny Місяць тому +1

      I like how they made Aegon so unlikeable and yet you cant help but feel sorry for the way things happened

  • @Skiivin
    @Skiivin Місяць тому +178

    Aegon sitting in the same bed as his father was when he was dying is a perfect visual lesson for Allicent

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 Місяць тому +10

      and the fact her character was helping Jaehaerys 1 and Viserys 1 before they deaths is insane
      she dont care from her own son, she is not more the good person by far

    • @whoschach
      @whoschach Місяць тому +1

      Otto was the real hero. He tried to save the realm from Daemon. Now it is known after Ep5.

    • @yetipotato8567
      @yetipotato8567 Місяць тому

      He even has similar bandages like old Vizzy on his last years

  • @johansmallberries9874
    @johansmallberries9874 Місяць тому +129

    It’s interesting that men are mostly inconsequential to Daemon, his subconscious is dominated by women.

    • @rosemaryamundson4542
      @rosemaryamundson4542 Місяць тому +12

      @@johansmallberries9874 Good observation !!!

    • @liamkampff1
      @liamkampff1 Місяць тому +8

      Love this observation, great point. Although I do hope secretly that we get the final boss of harrenhal visions, in a scene with Viserys and Daemon

    • @nklin6
      @nklin6 Місяць тому +2

      Definitely mummy issues!

  • @sowitapid
    @sowitapid Місяць тому +62

    Love how Jace is calling out Targaryen dragonlord supremacy propaganda lol

    • @jackwalker4957
      @jackwalker4957 Місяць тому +5

      I found it ironic but lovely writing that although Jace is mocking the idea of purebred Targaryens having a monopoly on dragon riding, he's unintentionally possibly risking status in in the eyes of commoners. If "anyone" can ride a dragon, what will people think?

    • @hillbillypowpow
      @hillbillypowpow Місяць тому +10

      ​​​@@jackwalker4957Him questioning the supremacy of particular bloodlines, ones carefully guarded and cultivated, also challenges the perceived illegitimacy of bastards, two topics in conflict within himself.

    • @jackwalker4957
      @jackwalker4957 Місяць тому +2

      @@hillbillypowpow that’s so wonderful - I hadn’t considered that angle. I wonder then if his need to emulate the action of Daemon comes partly from the need to prove his own legitimacy as a Targ to the “legitimate” Targs? He’s just seen Rheanys sacrifice herself in literal Fire & Blood - maybe he feels as if joining in on the action will “prove” himself.

  • @FarrahFawxx
    @FarrahFawxx Місяць тому +185

    Really enjoyed the scene with Alicent as she begins to panic and settle into the bed she had made. The slow push in with the camera and the fading of sounds and people around her was like someone silently drowning. Very powerful.

    • @rahuldhargalkar
      @rahuldhargalkar Місяць тому +7

      It felt so real and relatable. Heard her breathing? 😶‍🌫️

    • @mjb2697
      @mjb2697 Місяць тому +7

      I feel that it was also her fully coming to terms that Aemond tried to kill Aegon at Rook's Rest.
      Her realising how much Aemond, with little experience, was so prepared to be regent probably led her to the conclusion that he was always planning to usurpe Aegon right under her nose.

    • @FarrahFawxx
      @FarrahFawxx Місяць тому +2

      @@rahuldhargalkar yes! The labored, inconsistent breathes. Spot on. This cast is just an ocean of talent. And props to the director for that shot, the sound crew, everyone. Phenomenal job by all involved.

  • @TheHonoredMadman
    @TheHonoredMadman Місяць тому +436

    Yo when Alys walks past Simon, he sort of double takes and glances at her and then when she walks behind him she completely disappears into thin air.

    • @DatBoiTag
      @DatBoiTag Місяць тому +8

      Timestamp?

    • @Hoot
      @Hoot Місяць тому +69

      @@DatBoiTag It's around 43 minutes in the episode when Simon Strong brings Daemon a message, she walks behind Simon. I don't think she disappears, it looks like she just stands directly behind Simon. And Simon sees her, so doesn't make much sense she'd be a hallucination.

    • @DanteHellDrive
      @DanteHellDrive Місяць тому +17

      Alys is a skinwalker confirmed.

    • @TheSH1N1GAM1
      @TheSH1N1GAM1 Місяць тому +2

      -28.25 in the timeline of the show.

    • @someweeb4110
      @someweeb4110 Місяць тому +21

      @@DanteHellDrivestill would

  • @gamerguy19981
    @gamerguy19981 Місяць тому +114

    If I were Daemon, I'd just ask for a different bed at this point

  • @ffejulator
    @ffejulator Місяць тому +255

    I love the shocked reactions to Daemon having sex with his mother as if he isn't already married to his niece 😂

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +59

      Well, even Targs seem to consider child-parent marriages inappropriate.
      Otherwise there was no reason to not marry Viserys to Rhaenyra after Aemma died.

    • @laurenbastin8849
      @laurenbastin8849 Місяць тому +11

      ⁠@@iliaponomarev1624I mean the Targaryens didn’t usually marry uncles to nieces either, the only person who tried to do that before Daemon was Maegor the Cruel, and he wasn’t exactly a regular Targaryen king. The point is that in general the Targaryens shied away from certain kinds of marriage but tended to place their notions of blood purity before morality (the rest of the seven kingdoms already reviled sibling marriages as an abomination and there was at various points a great deal of tension over it) and especially power hungry Targs like Maegor and Daemon were willing to bend and break what rules were in place to suit them

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +21

      @@laurenbastin8849 I tend to think Targaryens just marry their closest single female relative that isn't their mother or daughter.
      It's just likely a sister or a cousin and rarely a niece.

    • @sweettt321
      @sweettt321 Місяць тому

      Too much, even for a Targaryen *gags*

    • @gezenews
      @gezenews Місяць тому

      @@blaubeer8039 It's not even about morality. Obviously they don't care about that. What they will care about is an overwhelming majority of disfigured, diseased, and unviable babies being born. Big difference between two random sets of DNA from the same sources trying to make babies, and and two sets of DNA where half of it matches 1 to 1.

  • @jason198146
    @jason198146 Місяць тому +34

    “Was the duck not to your liking, your grace?” ngl, was really afraid we were gonna see that Daemon was actually screwing his dinner 😬

  • @jos7496
    @jos7496 Місяць тому +50

    Also if you watch one of the scenes with Alice and daemon, where Simon interrupts them, Alice stares at daemon, and walks like she will leave the room, then disappears behind Simon in the shot, and never exits the other side of Simon. There's nowhere else for her to go. To reach the exit she would have to emerge on the other side of Simon, but she never does. Super subtle, and I loved it

    • @jos7496
      @jos7496 Місяць тому +5

      Ah, someone mentioned it, glad someone else caught it :0

    • @liamkampff1
      @liamkampff1 Місяць тому +4

      I didn't quite register this amount of detail, but definitely noticed strange movements there and her disappearance. Sooo subtle and great

  • @josh23062
    @josh23062 Місяць тому +108

    I like the idea that Daemon is both Rhaenerya's greatest strength and biggest weakness.
    As a warrior, he's best of the best and the only potential threat to Aemond. But politically, he's ruining her

    • @carlosoramasramos8911
      @carlosoramasramos8911 Місяць тому +23

      Kinda like Christon Cole
      These two should be very away from political power, but are pretty good militarily speaking

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 Місяць тому +9

      I like when the episode is showing Rhaenyra being a polítician but sucking in armies/tactics
      Meanwhile Daemon is raising an army and sucks at polítics all by showing BOTH in council and with the chimney thinking about the fire
      👍👍👍

    • @gezenews
      @gezenews Місяць тому +1

      @@carlosoramasramos8911 gee almost like it's a poltiical war and not a political wine tasting contest. FFS they are the only ones recognizing the gravity of the situation. The Greens need political legitimacy. That's why Otto pursues it. It's not because he's a fucking empath, or womanly, or a nice guy. It's because he's pursuing war by other means, while Rhaenyra allows it. And every second that Rhaenyra refuses to pursue violent victory is another second that the Greens spend putting birds in hand that would otherwise be in the bush.

    • @carlosoramasramos8911
      @carlosoramasramos8911 Місяць тому +2

      @@gezenews I think your rant went a little bit off the rails there for a sec, no need to take it that seriously

    • @hillbillypowpow
      @hillbillypowpow Місяць тому +1

      ​@@gezenewswe see this episode that the Blacks are going to spread propaganda in Kings Landing

  • @hamtoriyakiii
    @hamtoriyakiii Місяць тому +195

    somebody need to drag daemon out of harrenhal cause wtf was that
    and him being unintentionally funny with the brackens was gold

  • @CloudMountainJuror
    @CloudMountainJuror Місяць тому +17

    It shocks me how many people I’ve seen complaining about this season being slow. I think it’s been phenomenal. I love how granular it’s been in each plot and character development. Who needs battles when the scene-by-scene writing is this good, when so much care is being put into character setup and arc structure?
    Hot take, I suppose, but I’m more engaged with Daemon’s haunted Harrenhal hijinks than I’ve been with his character in the entire rest of the show. It’s so much more fun seeing this character presented with a challenge like this, something that is so persistently humbling him, and the visions themselves are giving appreciated insights into what’s going on in his head. I love it when arrogant characters bite off more than they can chew and have to deal with the consequences.

    • @nklin6
      @nklin6 Місяць тому

      I would say the only slow episode was this one, but I feel it was just a tool to set up future episodes

  • @DaysieRose
    @DaysieRose Місяць тому +279

    Didn't Alyssa take her babies Viserys and Daemon flying on Melyse? The death of that dragon might trigger something subconscious and maternal in Daemon. I bet the dragons think they're all weird.

    • @mothernyx4933
      @mothernyx4933 Місяць тому +30

      I think Viserys and Daemon have a convo on who was moms favorite in S1 as well

    • @catchacollapsingstar
      @catchacollapsingstar Місяць тому +23

      Yeah, she died giving birth to her 3rd child who also died. But yes, she rode both of them on her dragon Meleyse

    • @alanfulcher460
      @alanfulcher460 Місяць тому +1

      @@catchacollapsingstarI thought she was the one that got drunk and broke her neck horse racing.

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 Місяць тому +17

      ​@@alanfulcher460 Different sister. Alyssa was like the third wildest sister.

    • @theprimo100
      @theprimo100 Місяць тому +12

      @@alanfulcher460 That was Vissera , who tried to seduce Baelon after Alyssa died.

  • @iliaponomarev1624
    @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +68

    They mentioned Rhaena was trying to claim a dragon. Apparently quite repeatedly.

  • @theindiancop
    @theindiancop Місяць тому +83

    They are never gonna address the dragonpit coronation girlboss massacre.

    • @darthJ9
      @darthJ9 Місяць тому +5

      Its the Holdo Maneuver of HoTD

    • @abudgie6909
      @abudgie6909 Місяць тому +14

      Better to pretend it never happened. Rhaenys functions better as a character that way.

    • @patrickshinaltar7751
      @patrickshinaltar7751 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@abudgie6909 Agreed my headcanon is that Rhaenys and Meleys just escape from the back entrance of the dragonpit.

  • @alantyndall85
    @alantyndall85 Місяць тому +143

    Jaime Lannister managed to maneuver the Brackens and Blackwoods far more effectively than Daemon managed. He's not exactly known for his patience or wits.

    • @niraisatsana
      @niraisatsana Місяць тому +9

      don’t wanna bother anyone but can anyone remind me what did jaime do? i don’t remember brackens and blackwoods in got at all

    • @alantyndall85
      @alantyndall85 Місяць тому +16

      @@niraisatsana It’s in In A Feast for Crows, I think the show just kept the siege of Riverrun.

    • @mollofamerika
      @mollofamerika Місяць тому +14

      @@alantyndall85 the funny thing is, Jaime gives I think his Blackwood hostage basically the same advice as Daemon - do war crimes to win, like my dad would

    • @movieloverfan18
      @movieloverfan18 Місяць тому +1

      @@niraisatsana It is in the books. It is part of the aftermath of the Seige of Riverrun. Jaime Lannister in books and show was sent to the Riverlands to get Blackfish to surrender Riverrun. The Frey have been incompetently unable to take it. Jaime threatened and released Edmure Tully and he ordered his men to surrender. Jaime Lannister after that was sent to deal with the Blackwoods.
      After the Red Wedding, most of the Riverlands had sworn to Kingslanding. But the Blackwoods wouldn’t. Tywin Lannister empowered the Brackens to fight against them and it developed into what was called in the books The Siege of Ravenhall, with the Brackens surrounding the Blackwoods who were being starved out. Jaime Lannister shows up and just negotiated an end to it. The Brackens wanted a bunch of land and concessions. Jaime cut it down to what the Blackwoods would agree to. He arranged that the Blackwoods surrender was directly to Tommen, because they would die before surrendering to the Brackens . He demanded a hostage from each House to live in Kingslanding as page and lady in waiting in order to ensure both houses good behavior. Jaime learns a bunch about the history of this region and show’s talent in political maneuvering.
      There is a theory that these two hostages may one day marry and end the Bracken Blackwood feud.

    • @mu2thehotness
      @mu2thehotness Місяць тому +2

      At that pt, Jaime had lost his hand, was bitter abt his Dad's passing and his Brother's part in it. And most of all, hating Cersei and his own legacy. So, he focused on his peace of mind and promise to Catelyn in the remaining war effort - to bring the Brackens and Blackwoods under the throne. He had to rely on his wit and others bravery as his own was limited by his right stump.

  • @Alexander-kc8oq
    @Alexander-kc8oq Місяць тому +128

    If this season has taught me one thing it´s that this fan base have zero patience and apparently dont appreciate their hot baddie having an inner conflict

    • @Anvil35
      @Anvil35 Місяць тому +38

      If they wrapped up HOTD this season the EXACT same crowd will complain that they rushed it.
      Complaining just for the sake of it either way

    • @freasfuck
      @freasfuck Місяць тому

      @@Anvil35yes because it’s rushed and boring at the same time. The only action comes from battles, while we got hours of empty and shallow and poorly written dialogue. Did you guys even watch the first seasons of got? Or the first 2? Nearly zero battles but you couldn’t keep your eyes away from the screen.

    • @belablanck
      @belablanck Місяць тому +7

      It is also not ''character assassination'', it is not his fault that the weirwood gives him weird visions

    • @Alexander-kc8oq
      @Alexander-kc8oq Місяць тому +34

      @@belablanck The term "Character assasination" along with "Bad writing" and "Team black bias" have become annoying substitutes for "Thing in dragon show I dont like"

    • @sebastiaanv
      @sebastiaanv Місяць тому +2

      @@Alexander-kc8oqpretty much

  • @mollofamerika
    @mollofamerika Місяць тому +106

    she's not just a "random mysterious woman", my first thought on seeing her was that she was a "generic targ woman" which i think fits into how Daemon views his heritage and then the identity twist was v perfect in that context

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +21

      When I saw clearly she's definitely not Aemma, I kinda got who she was...

    • @Magooch86
      @Magooch86 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@iliaponomarev1624yeh I've watched too much GOT to fall for that one anymore

    • @thewayfarer8849
      @thewayfarer8849 Місяць тому +16

      @@iliaponomarev1624 I thought Aemma first too and was like "Oh dear"... XD

    • @Skiivin
      @Skiivin Місяць тому +1

      At first I thought it was Daenys the Dreamer

    • @spensirmclife6549
      @spensirmclife6549 Місяць тому +2

      I actually immediately thought it was his mother but then I went to think it was Aemma because I didn't want it too be true

  • @Pancakes1121
    @Pancakes1121 Місяць тому +3

    I love these 2-3 hour breakdowns of the episodes. Makes me enjoy the same episodes I just finished watching all over again because you show things I missed or forgot about. Keep up the great work.

  • @evka8709
    @evka8709 Місяць тому +63

    The juxtaposition of Daemon having a feast handed to him at Harrenhall vs. the people of Kings Landing starving and eating rotten food

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 Місяць тому

      WE WANT MEAT
      Meanwhile the fat Strongs are eating like 3 or 4 different animals
      Lmao i didnt see it

  • @Hauptschulstyler1986
    @Hauptschulstyler1986 Місяць тому +5

    Ser Simon walking in on Daemon tripping balls, having to deliver a message, is a 90‘s sitcom moment at this point.

  • @Red1Green2Blue3
    @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +186

    GRRM needs to stop writing blog posts and start writing pages. It's frankly ridiculous for him to have a rant about sticking to canon that will be explained in THREE unreleased books, none of which have release dates 😂

    • @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw
      @eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw Місяць тому +1

      THIS. santa needs to stop sitting with his thumb up his bum and FINISH YOUR FUCKING STORY!!!!!

    • @ikram-258
      @ikram-258 Місяць тому +1

      What part was he complaining about exactly?

    • @rider2273
      @rider2273 Місяць тому +19

      I think he would earn alot if he released just one book during all this hype for his franchise.

    • @sorasorisora
      @sorasorisora Місяць тому +29

      @@ikram-258 blood and cheese, Maelor's absence, dragons having 4 feet, and then some

    • @ikram-258
      @ikram-258 Місяць тому +20

      @@sorasorisora i agree with him when it comes to blood and cheese, i also didn't like mealor's absence

  • @iliaponomarev1624
    @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +184

    I like the way Rhaenyra is shown. She knows she has a shot against Vhagar. She knows she really shouldn't do that because it's like 70% chance of dying. She also knows she kinda has to do it because 30% success is a bit better than 0% success.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +42

      Once again Rhaenys shoulda bounced with Daemon to go cancel Vhagar earlier this season lol throw in Syrax for good measure as backup...

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +16

      ​@@leebarbs7176that really wasn't a great time to do it, Rhaenys and Meleys really needed to rest and eat something. Next morning maybe.

    • @AugustRx
      @AugustRx Місяць тому +2

      ​@@leebarbs7176A scorpion bolt in daemon's arse

    • @ragetemplar5104
      @ragetemplar5104 Місяць тому +23

      @@leebarbs7176 Its such a clown show of a choice. Lets give randoms nuclear weapons, because I dont want to risk the lives of my relatives to claim dragons. BUT i am 100% willing to risk everyones life by trying to fight for my claim anyway. Its just brain rot lmao these writers. Also about Vhagar, its like Daenerys and Euron's fleet, they kinda forgot about Vhagar until mid season 2 even though she one shot a small dragon with his rider, Episode 5 comes, "we have no answer for Vhagar".

    • @hyplix241
      @hyplix241 Місяць тому +34

      ​​@@ragetemplar5104Vhagar was defending King's Landing.. it wasn't obvious it would be at Rook's Rest. If it was obvious then Aemond and Chisten wouldn't have laid that trap in the first place. Calm down

  • @ShubertReads
    @ShubertReads Місяць тому +107

    GODS BE GOOD! We need the Alt Shift X HotD soundboard.

  • @concretephill8509
    @concretephill8509 Місяць тому +61

    "Theyre just meat..."
    *Spirit Bonds with The Cannibal*

    • @LynxxMan
      @LynxxMan Місяць тому +3

      Is that true?does hugh tame the cannibal?

    • @brandonl7759
      @brandonl7759 Місяць тому +5

      @@LynxxMan Nah i wont spoil too much but Cannibal never has a rider. Hugh gets another dragon

    • @LynxxMan
      @LynxxMan Місяць тому +2

      @@brandonl7759 that's so badass

    • @Hgghjn713
      @Hgghjn713 Місяць тому

      @@brandonl7759I can’t wait to see cannibal!

  • @pearljammies
    @pearljammies Місяць тому +33

    This episode was very much focused on mothers/relationships with mothers & mother figures.

  • @peppermint23
    @peppermint23 Місяць тому +8

    I got the strong impression that Rhaena was learning about the death of her grandmother for the first time. She looked SHOCKED.

    • @mischr13
      @mischr13 Місяць тому +3

      I was watching this with my brother and at that scene I said, "oh no, she didn't know? :(" and my brother was like, "well, yeah? she doesn't get texts. 🙄"

    • @peppermint23
      @peppermint23 Місяць тому +3

      @@mischr13 My heart really hurt for her in that moment. It reminded me of Sansa learning of her mother and brother's death in relative isolation in King's Landing.

    • @mischr13
      @mischr13 Місяць тому +2

      @@peppermint23 same. the acting in this show has been so phenomenal, across the board.

  • @TheHonoredMadman
    @TheHonoredMadman Місяць тому +193

    Man Daemon and Viserys mom was hot as hell

    • @rohanrajput_9
      @rohanrajput_9 Місяць тому +2

      Agreed, totally smash

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +3

      And Balon cheated on her!

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 Місяць тому +54

      ​@@iliaponomarev1624I don't think he ever cheated on her. But she did die very young. Lots of time for Balon to find physical comfort. He never even remarried.

    • @jacobwatson8688
      @jacobwatson8688 Місяць тому +19

      @@iliaponomarev1624 lol you have to make assumptions about Ulf’s age and the likelihood he’s telling the truth to believe that

    • @jrlombardi5251
      @jrlombardi5251 Місяць тому +2

      @@jessjess23brooks89 isn't his bastard literally older than Daemon? Wouldn't he, in any case, have him before of his marriage? Bc after her death looks impossible

  • @morgand820
    @morgand820 Місяць тому +17

    its pretty clear that the show's creators had no intention of the dragon pit scene being interpreted as "Rhaenys kills hundreds of common people" so i don't think interpreting the show through the lense of "the small folk are angry at Melys" is useful

    • @sigmundferd1359
      @sigmundferd1359 Місяць тому +4

      It's very clear the showrunners want to show "woman good, man bad" rather than any nuanced take on the (many, many, many) downsides of patriarchy.
      They already did nuance in the first half of GoT, why paint a mural with a brush when it's so much easier to just dump it on straight from the bucket?

    • @dotkiarika1026
      @dotkiarika1026 Місяць тому +9

      Well thats stupid then because that's exactly what they showed in that scene

  • @user-un8tv1pp8m
    @user-un8tv1pp8m Місяць тому +5

    "the logistics of long-term dragon parking...."
    Sir, you are a nerdy treasure.
    😁

  • @ngomezmusic8628
    @ngomezmusic8628 Місяць тому +12

    I think we’re supposed to believe that when Meleys burst through the floor, the common people who were standing there were just kinda safely yeeted away…

  • @Magooch86
    @Magooch86 Місяць тому +19

    This ep was really one for the long term fans, can't imagine it exciting too many casual watchers

  • @jasonjavelin
    @jasonjavelin Місяць тому +12

    The common folk shouting and talking about the dragon head being a black omen was a cool angle. If I’m a regular person and see a *fucking dragons head* going through the streets when the basically never die I’m freaking out

  • @Red1Green2Blue3
    @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +104

    I think that perhaps the reason that Corlys doesn't talk about going to Asshai is because it's actually just a relatively normal place. The reason that there is so much mystique about it is because it's so far. It's like how people talked about the Far East or India before they had regular contact. Mysaria is actually from Yi Ti too and she doesn't doesn't talk about that part of the world either, and one would think she would if it harboured all this untapped magical potential.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +14

      Asshai does seem strange but it's deff Stygai that's the place on another level.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh Місяць тому +22

      Asshai is exactly like people say it is, no sunlight and eerily quiet. People like Melisandre and Quaithe definitely speak seriously about it. Corlys likely didn't even step foot in Stygiai itself, having sighted what he said was Alyssa Farman's ship.

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +4

      @@SantomPh That's just your head canon

    • @dummbobqqqqq
      @dummbobqqqqq Місяць тому +4

      ​@@Red1Green2Blue3lol if he had been to Stygia we would know. Would literally be the first human we know of.

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +1

      @@dummbobqqqqq Who said he went to Stygia?

  • @BoeyJones
    @BoeyJones Місяць тому +10

    Cheese’s dog is my favorite character in the show

    • @sarah.fb.lindsay
      @sarah.fb.lindsay Місяць тому +2

      Yes and I’m always worried about him… poor pup.

    • @AkiTerry
      @AkiTerry Місяць тому +1

      I heard he got drunk & slapped another actor & got fired 😢😮 lol
      No but seriously, I don't think we will see him again 😢

  • @chan_serv
    @chan_serv Місяць тому +10

    it’s interesting the respect with which Mysaria is given by the goldcloak in this episode even after her believed death, alluding to the wider held respect of her in Kings Landing. It seems she is far more respected generally than many of the royal women in the show so far.

  • @swagathachristie5242
    @swagathachristie5242 Місяць тому +9

    2:23:24 that white streak is actually called white-forelock poliosis (or a “Mallen streak”). It’s a form of localized demelanization (no color) similar to vitiligo that takes place on areas where hair is growing. Unlike vitiligo it doesn’t move, and typically stays the same size from birth to death, with the hair and skin in the affected area being entirely white in color. Good video 10/10, i just like giving facts (but actually this is the perfect thing to listen to at work as I’m doing boring data entry, pls keep making these)

  • @m.i.a3532
    @m.i.a3532 Місяць тому +4

    The actors are really firing on all cylinders, bravo

  • @dreamfield92
    @dreamfield92 Місяць тому +13

    the Criston moment of this episode was actually intriguing for his character development, turning him from a cartoonish unlikable person to someone with relatable vulnerability... He seems to have given up on any chance of salvation after witnessing the horror of a nuclear (dragon) war and truly realizing how horrifying this whole conflict can be with himself in the center of all. He might even be somewhat genuine in thinking he is sparing Alicent from the horror -- sparing, not protecting, a passive and helpless act. But the truth is even he himself does not seem to have the courage to face the horror, and he is dealing with it only with passivity and escapism. He is just letting himself slipping into the role of a kingmaker now, after all what is the point even trying not to be?

  • @deandip4961
    @deandip4961 Місяць тому +21

    Daemon obviously didnt watch Alt Shift X's step by step guide for how Dany should takeover Westeros. Shoudnt really start with warcrimes

  • @INMRuben
    @INMRuben Місяць тому +39

    That Alicent look... It was intense as hell. I really loved this one.

  • @mothernyx4933
    @mothernyx4933 Місяць тому +72

    Thanks Shift for all the content over the years. I've always been a huge fan. My question is do you read superchats after streams? I sent a few and it didn't get read which is not a problem. Its a great thing to put limits up and boundaries for your own sanity. I imagine all of us fans can be very overwhelming. I hope you get all the support you need. You have been a pillar of this fan base!

    • @rileyjoh19
      @rileyjoh19 Місяць тому +6

      The stream is “no spoilers” - so if there are obvious spoilers he won’t cover them. maybe just unlucky this time otherwise? are you superchatting non-spoiler super chats?

    • @rileyjoh19
      @rileyjoh19 Місяць тому

      If you are, then yeah maybe he just doesn’t get to covering them

    • @ciarandodrill3562
      @ciarandodrill3562 Місяць тому +2

      Yeah you know people can open up superchats for a few minutes then close them so they can make sure they dont get overwhelmed, if not and your chat isn't read that's just taking your money, why I personally would never ever pay for a UA-cam comment to be read out

    • @mothernyx4933
      @mothernyx4933 Місяць тому +3

      @@rileyjoh19 No spoilers, he just doesn't get to them all. Theres so many people and chats its just not possible. Streaming for hours takes alot out of you. I'm not worried about him reading chats

    • @mothernyx4933
      @mothernyx4933 Місяць тому +3

      @@ciarandodrill3562 I really enjoy Shifts work. He has given alot of time and content to the fans. I know it is alot of work. He deserves to get paid for his time and energy just like anyone else.

  • @stephyworld8713
    @stephyworld8713 Місяць тому +28

    Watching Alicent get "Rhaenys-ed/Rhaenyra-d" during the counsel was amazing 😂.
    Get a taste of your own medicine.

    • @tityboi7295
      @tityboi7295 Місяць тому

      Smooth brain comment. Because she wasn't aware of how unfair life is for women when she was married to a dying man as a teenager?

  • @jonoxes8662
    @jonoxes8662 Місяць тому +6

    I don't think Rhaenyra is trying to get rid of Alfred at all. Rather I think after her reflection she believes that she needs to be able to trust her advisors, and for that to be possible they need to trust her.
    So what she's doing is trying to show them that she trusts them, by trusting the most outspoken critic with such an important mission and that she trusts his loyalty. She also is showing here, that she is not resentful over being criticised and she is willing to listen, and let her counsil actually counsil her. She is showing that despite her frustration with him at times, she appreciates him.
    All while trying to gather incredibly valuable information and showing that she's ready to act, she's not gonna be passive and put them in danger anymore, she really is planning to rally the men necessary to win this war.

  • @Miss_Distress
    @Miss_Distress Місяць тому +9

    Welcome to this week’s exciting episode of “Tripping Balls in Harrenhall”!

  • @JennaMac24
    @JennaMac24 Місяць тому +24

    17:08 Vhagar and Meleys were the dragons of Viserys and Daemon's parents, who were said to be very much in love, and it sure didn't stop Vhagar from killing Meleys. I feel like Vermithor and Silverwing have a tighter bond though, since their riders were married for such a long time.

    • @lolagranola77
      @lolagranola77 Місяць тому +2

      That is an interesting yet depressing factoid.

    • @MindAndMyth
      @MindAndMyth Місяць тому +4

      I think the dragons are very much like lizards where they dont care about their family much at all.
      Keep in mind these are the same creatures that you can just go up to and dig their eggs out of that hot mass they lay them in and walk away with them.

    • @cantfindaname123421
      @cantfindaname123421 Місяць тому +1

      @@MindAndMyth Nah, they're definitely shown to have emotion and care - at least about their riders. Examples: Vhagar didn't want to kill Laena, Sunfyre was happy to see aegon, sunfyre prioritized saving aegon during their fall, Meleys had an apologetic look towards Rhaenys as she was dying - etc. Definitely not emotionless beasts.

    • @lup1up
      @lup1up Місяць тому

      ​@cantfindaname123421 no one here said they're emotionless beasts.
      He's talking about them being lizard- like with respect to their apathy towards removal of their progeny, and not the magical partnership with dragonlords
      Great examples but you're totally off topic

  • @amezzeray2
    @amezzeray2 Місяць тому +44

    as someone who hasnt read the books but has watched enough youtube content on ASOIAF that I like to think I have a nice understanding of the world, I'm finding all this Harrenhal/Weirwood dream stuff so interesting :D they're really not holding back on how weird that shit can get

    • @infinitesquarez
      @infinitesquarez Місяць тому +3

      Respectfully - how would you know? 😂😂 In the last video he mentioned how sleeping on a weirwood stump gave Jaime crazy dreams but if I asked you what he dreamt about you’d have no idea, surely?
      I’m not trying to be a snob but honestly you really should read the books. I promise they’re better than watching people summarise them on UA-cam.

    • @amezzeray2
      @amezzeray2 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@infinitesquarezyou're totally right and I've had the books on my bedside table for some time but I've never got round to it 😅 but you totally have a valid point. I should probably stop commenting and start reading 🤣

    • @hazleygod
      @hazleygod Місяць тому +3

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@infinitesquarez You can understand the world of ASOIAF without remembering/knowing everything that happened in the books. That’s also what the vids are for 😭

  • @zoulogist9171
    @zoulogist9171 Місяць тому +12

    “His wife niece queen”

  • @Phabregas
    @Phabregas Місяць тому +18

    Lady Arryn should only contribute 15.000 swords without men wielding them in response to only getting tiny dragons. That's all she promised

  • @patrickshea4713
    @patrickshea4713 Місяць тому +8

    "in a democracy you can vote out the government.... i've head" 10/10 Shifty line

  • @kdjslvgds
    @kdjslvgds Місяць тому +31

    also i've really enjoyed the aspect of knowing whats reported in the book as historical fact and seeing how they do things. the idea of history being written by the victors and very much the patriarchy as a whole writing things.
    of course they take every opportunity to disparage alicent and rhaenyra. thats how patriarchy be.

  • @mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytf
    @mikeuuuytffvghjjoopoiytf Місяць тому +9

    I don't know what Alisant was expecting tbh. The whole of Eagons claim comes from the fact he's a man - if they appointed her queen regent it would undermine Aegon's claim. Not to mention everyone in that council was against a woman ruling in the first place

  • @Canadish
    @Canadish Місяць тому +39

    1:15:05 I get the impression the show runners are avoiding mentioning that 'Beast Beneath the Boards' scene. Its the one very obvious mistep the show has taken. Didnt make sense for the character, ruined what I think was a very important moment for Aegon's character and introduction to Sunfyre, forced them to use tortured logic as an explanation for why Meleys didnt just end the war immediately etc.
    Nothing worked and it undercuts all the talk of needless casualties from the Blacks.
    Always had the sense some exec demanded it early on because 'we need a badass scene' and the writers didnt get enough passes to make it fit in.

    • @GeeBarone
      @GeeBarone Місяць тому +3

      I think you may be right. It seemed out of place at the time but especially now we're hours of runtime on and it's barely been talked about

    • @enzoniaf3863
      @enzoniaf3863 Місяць тому +2

      I wonder if higher ups in HBO pressured them into adding more 'action' into the episode... I know the showrunners said they did it to 'look cool', but they're hardly going to say 'yeah, we were forced to add that scene, we didn't want it' on tv.

  • @Red1Green2Blue3
    @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +99

    They're clearly dropping an easter egg that it's NOT necessary to have Targ or Valyrian blood to ride a dragon. Jace basically says sarcastically "well we/Valyrians would say that wouldn't we"

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +37

      I think it's more that you don't need totally pure Targ blood

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +21

      @@leebarbs7176 Disagree, his wording is specific in its scepticism of Targ exceptionalism
      Also in the lore it's speculated that there were dragonriders before Valyria so it can't be a Valyrian specific thing if that's the case

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +13

      @@Red1Green2Blue3Well, counterpoint, there's no direct example in the books of a non-Targ riding a dragon...
      Possible? Sure, anythings possible, but it's certainly not a theory with much evidence lore-wise.

    • @Red1Green2Blue3
      @Red1Green2Blue3 Місяць тому +16

      @@leebarbs7176 There's not, which is why I said it was an Easter Egg that was implying that.
      Also Nettles in the books has no confirmed Targ ancestor and she's a dragonrider

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +10

      ​@Red1Green2Blue3 but Nettles comes from a place where a chance of randomly having a "dragon gene" is kinda high.

  • @taylorfitness10
    @taylorfitness10 Місяць тому +10

    You’re the best. I love your voice. You have the best takes on game of thrones/ HOTD content.
    Thanks for being you and sticking with it

  • @mariagraciamorenovegas7722
    @mariagraciamorenovegas7722 Місяць тому +10

    Technically Aemma Arryn is half Targaryen, so still a very narrow family tree before Rhaenyra, who narrows it even further with her second husband 😅

  • @VirtualShogun
    @VirtualShogun Місяць тому +55

    My very first thought of seeing Aegon and his burns were "Anakin" .. 😢

  • @MATCHLESS789
    @MATCHLESS789 Місяць тому +10

    Mommy issues was a big theme this episode.

  • @johansmallberries9874
    @johansmallberries9874 Місяць тому +36

    My new theory: Aemond kills Helena, pushes her out of a window because she keeps saying uncomfortable things.

    • @doctorajaguar
      @doctorajaguar Місяць тому +1

      I agree.

    • @rikzz0r
      @rikzz0r Місяць тому +1

      He loves her, doesn't he?

    • @SalaciousBCrumb-md3lk
      @SalaciousBCrumb-md3lk Місяць тому +1

      That is not a new theory!

    • @mmmelancholia
      @mmmelancholia Місяць тому +8

      @@rikzz0r I'm not sure if Aemond really "loves" Helaena. It's a nice little fan theory but I don't think that they are romantically involved (neither in the show nor in the books). I mean, yes, he defends her when Aegon complains about having to marry her, but in fact, he simply states, the she is their (true born) sister and he would perform his "duty".That doesn't really sound like love to me. Aemonds is simply 1000% Team Green, I'm afraid :D

  • @TheDevonleigh
    @TheDevonleigh Місяць тому +51

    Daemon is going through a midlife crisis. I think he only really wants to be king because of what he perceives the title to be. He thinks he needs to sit on the iron throne to have the glory and respect but he really already has a lot of respect and fear of the people of Westeros.

    • @zuvaseven
      @zuvaseven Місяць тому +7

      Totally agree! As we’ve seen, he’d actually hate being king. He can’t even handle the smallest amount of diplomatic tasks 😂

    • @TheDevonleigh
      @TheDevonleigh Місяць тому +4

      @@zuvaseven For real he was better suited for battle and Viserys better for ruling even though he hated the pressure, too. They had a good thing going but Daemon messed it up because he felt like nobody respected him.

    • @hillbillypowpow
      @hillbillypowpow Місяць тому +1

      Like Aegon, he really just wants approval and adoration. All his life Daemon was a rebel, rogue, being told that his way of life was not what was approved of.

    • @TheDevonleigh
      @TheDevonleigh Місяць тому

      Aegon and Aemond are mirror versions of Viserys and Daemon only they didn't have solid upbringings because Viserys got sick and Alicent was a deadbeat mother

  • @KevinM491
    @KevinM491 Місяць тому +8

    He used “snookered” just like Alt Schwift X wanted to. Im so proud.

  • @TheEyeOfTaurusAK
    @TheEyeOfTaurusAK Місяць тому +3

    I think it’s also interesting to note how Daemon made that comment to Alys about how “you don’t want Aemond one-eye to rule you b/c he’s a monster” and she points out that she’s heard the SAME THING about him, then we find out he’s committing war crimes against the innocent civilians…its shows how similar Daemon and Aemond are-even to the point where their names have the SAME letters…(note the “pig Latin” like similarity of their names). He’s more like Aemond than he wants to believe…

  • @TheLANMAC
    @TheLANMAC Місяць тому +17

    57:49 counterpoint, the dog wants to chew on those bones

    • @movieloverfan18
      @movieloverfan18 Місяць тому

      Nooooo. Poor Cheese dog. I think he is just a loyal dog grieving his master. But he is a trained rat catcher and has been surviving I think eating rats. I am just hoping he gets adopted before this season ends.

    • @AkiTerry
      @AkiTerry Місяць тому

      😂

  • @kdjslvgds
    @kdjslvgds Місяць тому +60

    it makes sense to me that dany can control all without riding them because they like hatched and bonded to her at their birth. all the available dragons on dragonstone aren't bonded to anyone who could control them and it doesn't seem like anyone has been in the position to bond with more than one dragon at the same time.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh Місяць тому +19

      She specifically rides Drogon as hers, but Rheagal and Viserion also obeying her is very unusual- they could be obeying Drogon, who is essentially "big brother:"

    • @kdjslvgds
      @kdjslvgds Місяць тому +12

      @@SantomPh i mean before she's riding *any* of them she is still instructing and commanding all three.

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +16

      Also, Dany breastfed her dragons. Must be something special about it.

    • @mum-your
      @mum-your Місяць тому +3

      she doesnt control all 3 of them. she barely controls drogon

    • @leonrussell9607
      @leonrussell9607 Місяць тому +3

      They were also born using blood magic so they might be different

  • @shannonwalters6839
    @shannonwalters6839 Місяць тому +14

    I love how Alicent wants to rule but her being a women and that actually pisses her off 😂 she keeps getting a taste of her medicine and kristen cole starting to have a reality check the throne has so much power like it calls ppl lure them to it even Alicent has trouble resisting it

    • @Morfe02
      @Morfe02 Місяць тому +2

      and why she wants to rule LOL is dumb ? she is not even half of the wits of OTTO
      she wants to be Rhaenyra 2 by doing nothing and making bad actions ? xD

  • @meganbegins
    @meganbegins Місяць тому +6

    I actually liked that this episode focused on ‘mommy issues.’ It emphasizes that validation + nurturance are extremely powerful-much more powerful than patriarchy would have you believe. We’re all human, so you can’t out-run or deny your need for care; it forms the bedrock of a secure sense of self, and THAT is a weapon unto itself. Idk…to me, if you try to deny that you need love, terrible things happen (Aegon + Aemond). It’s a blind spot of patriarchy that leads to a ton of vi0lence, + HoTD is *nailing* that it affects men and women equally. We often talk about Nyra + Allicent being casualties of patriarchy, but imo, so is Daemon. Maybe cheesy to say, but expecting men like Daemon to be one-dimensional characters who only crave power (like Viserys + Nyra do) + never giving him the benefit of the doubt is kinda f’d + short-sighted. The man has feelingssss. We all do. Anyways, loved that part.

  • @robertvanek1933
    @robertvanek1933 Місяць тому +13

    There's a war going on and Daemon's just chopping wood in Luigi's Mansion

  • @pugglesgray4090
    @pugglesgray4090 Місяць тому +25

    I thought the reason why Targaryens ride dragons is because they are the power of their house and they can’t risk rivals gaining control. I thought the reason Laena and Laenor got dragons was because they were seen as Targaryen enough. Isn’t that why the Targaryens were mad at Elissa Farman because if those eggs hatched and bonded to non Targaryen riders they would have rivals? Idk I just thought that dragon blood wasn’t actually a thing that mattered just something the Targaryens said to consolidate the giant nuclear lizards

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +17

      Yeah it's why the Targs are so incestuous for exactly that reason - the Velaryons are one of very few other Valyrian houses though who are also the richest by far - the partnership made sense as its between the two most powerful & also Valyrian houses.

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +3

      I assume dragon blood is a thing, but warg blood can work as well.

    • @SantomPh
      @SantomPh Місяць тому +10

      Leana and Leanor have a Targaryen mother so they are part of a family tree. The dragonseeds are proof one needs Targaryen blood to ride a dragon. Even Brown Benn Plumm of the Second Sons seems to be liked by Dany's dragons, which he attributes to a distant Targaryen ancestor. Quentyn Martell fatally tries to control Rheagal because he has Daenerys Targaryen (the earlier princess) ancestry.

    • @cmd7930
      @cmd7930 Місяць тому +3

      @@SantomPhDoes Addam of Hull have Targaryen ancestry?

    • @Adamantium93
      @Adamantium93 Місяць тому +7

      There are subtle hints in Fire and Blood that Targaryen or even Valyrian blood may not be needed to ride a dragon. But house Targaryen definitely believes that it's needed.

  • @Cruelrevolter
    @Cruelrevolter Місяць тому +28

    I am surprised no one mentioned that the hour of the wolf was Quoted when simon woke Daemon when he was sleeping

    • @LiamPowelluuu2
      @LiamPowelluuu2 Місяць тому +2

      I can't wait for it to happen in the show. Cregan Stark is a badass.

    • @Cruelrevolter
      @Cruelrevolter Місяць тому +2

      @@LiamPowelluuu2 but probably gonna happen after s3

    • @LiamPowelluuu2
      @LiamPowelluuu2 Місяць тому +2

      @Cruelrevolter If it happens it will be at the end of the series lol it's after the war is over and the last major 'event' before Fire & Blood finishes

    • @Cruelrevolter
      @Cruelrevolter Місяць тому +2

      @@LiamPowelluuu2 that's just what I said HBO is only planning 4 seasons
      Grrm said aswell

  • @agentmom0
    @agentmom0 Місяць тому +1

    Otto is the typical employee that was secretly holding the workplace together, and once they leave shit hits the fan 😂😅

  • @davincerica7232
    @davincerica7232 Місяць тому +3

    Seems like the Freys didn't end up with Harenhall, which could be a foreshadowing of them being tired of being screwed over in the GOT 😅

  • @thegreatpage5912
    @thegreatpage5912 Місяць тому +49

    At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Daemon tried shooting his shot with Baela. What the hell was that...

    • @DibsEquipped
      @DibsEquipped Місяць тому +5

      He's married to his niece who he held as a baby. Little mother sex DREAM is what crosses the line?

    • @thegreatpage5912
      @thegreatpage5912 Місяць тому +6

      @@DibsEquipped You say that, as if everyone is cool with Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship. I always thought that was creepy. So the line was crossed miles ago.

    • @leonrussell9607
      @leonrussell9607 Місяць тому +2

      She's cute, why not?

    • @MissJoy16
      @MissJoy16 Місяць тому +1

      ​@thegreatpage5912 I thought that they were "yes and"-ing you and meant how Daemon himself wasn't disturbed by the first one, but that the dream of all things was what crossed his own comfort line lol
      (Obviously I don't know what tone they meant, but it works)

    • @TheMikster95
      @TheMikster95 Місяць тому +2

      Sec with your mom is still gross. Just because Daemon is married to his niece doesn’t excuse how messed up a dream where he’s screwing his mom is suddenly cool.
      It’s pure shock value and doesn’t improve the plot and is disgusting. Nothing gained

  • @diegoprodriguez
    @diegoprodriguez Місяць тому +8

    I like how the Crusader Kings mods for ASoIAF/GOT calls looking for Dragonriders “calling for Dragonseed” and I hope the term makes it way to the show

  • @josh7827
    @josh7827 Місяць тому +2

    Larys does make a great point that it would not be a good look to elevate a woman to queen regent while they fight a war over a woman's claim to the throne.

  • @MALITH666
    @MALITH666 Місяць тому +7

    Way I saw it is as, Deamon has mommy issues inside his head, and has some memory of a woman that he considers beautiful, but cant exactly remember as his mom. So she always reaffirms him, and he thinks as ideal Wifu for him. But yeah in the end she spills the beans.

  • @88happiness
    @88happiness Місяць тому +21

    It wouldn't surprise me if dragon meat was poisonous.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +3

      Well it's certainly a meal for Kings, not a peasant like me.
      Also they don't actually eat people, they eat gold - it's why they're always sitting on giant piles of it!
      (Always Sunny reference for anyone confused lol)

    • @illyria7756
      @illyria7756 Місяць тому

      If its heat-resistant, how would you fry it?

    • @TheMick9966
      @TheMick9966 Місяць тому +1

      With a dragon

    • @sushanths5870
      @sushanths5870 Місяць тому

      ​@@illyria7756 I mean it's not like every part of the human body is resistant to the acid in our stomachs

  • @Miss_Distress
    @Miss_Distress Місяць тому +4

    I think Diana will assist in spreading word about the Dragon Seeds

    • @illyria7756
      @illyria7756 Місяць тому +2

      They'd have to be discreet with that so that the greens don't start killing the seeds to prevent more dragonriders on black side. But yea, the girl working at the pub should know a lot of people and rumors to find the seeds.
      Maybe the rumors to spread will be about the royals gorging on expensive foods every evening, or something similar to piss off the hangry smallfolk and point their anger at the nobles.

  • @iliaponomarev1624
    @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +53

    I like how Freys are suicidal.
    Harrenhal? Seriously? You really want your house gone?

    • @danielbroome5690
      @danielbroome5690 Місяць тому +13

      Greed is more tempting than caution

    • @iliaponomarev1624
      @iliaponomarev1624 Місяць тому +6

      @@danielbroome5690 Greed part is also questionable. Harrenhal is a financial black hole.

    • @sh3tpostsgamertime204
      @sh3tpostsgamertime204 Місяць тому

      @@iliaponomarev1624they think its worth something.

    • @thecomradewarda
      @thecomradewarda Місяць тому

      @@iliaponomarev1624free land is free

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +7

      They've never been the brightest of houses lol

  • @jolinefields3460
    @jolinefields3460 Місяць тому +12

    Lol the Freys 😂are new money. I’m dead.

  • @anarchrex2237
    @anarchrex2237 Місяць тому +5

    There's a film by ingmar bergman called hour of the wolf. It's about an artist who lives on an isolated island and goes mad with insomnia and visions of indescript horrors and pathological sexuality. In the film the hour of the wolf is described as the hour before dawn, when the most people die and the most children are born

    • @mischr13
      @mischr13 Місяць тому +1

      I knew that was reminding me of something! I remember liking the movie and still can picture some scenes tho I haven't seen it in some 20+ yrs

  • @sachafenrir5657
    @sachafenrir5657 Місяць тому +5

    Bro should be called Daemon Backfired

  • @aerynnkh
    @aerynnkh Місяць тому +71

    Alicent reminds me of those conservative women who vote against women's rights and get pikachu faces when they realize those restrictions apply to them as well, was sad to see her at the council

    • @robinvik1
      @robinvik1 Місяць тому +40

      Yeah, it was devastating when Larys went "The whole point of the succession war is that women can't rule. What are you doing?"

    • @Ana_banana7799
      @Ana_banana7799 Місяць тому +34

      The "i voted for leopards eating my face party but i didn't know they were gonna eat MY face" people 😂

    • @MolemanSA
      @MolemanSA Місяць тому +3

      Judas goat

    • @infinitesquarez
      @infinitesquarez Місяць тому +19

      Usurping the throne, starting a war that will cause thousands of horrifying deaths by dragonfire, starvation and pestilence: I sleep.
      Experiencing a microaggression: I am literally having a panic attack right now.

    • @kidsamsa
      @kidsamsa Місяць тому +15

      I mean she ended her friendship with Rhaenyra because she was having good sex and Allicent wasn’t, and instead of thinking “I deserve that too” she thought “She should be just as miserable as I am.”

  • @joshb8302
    @joshb8302 Місяць тому +4

    The Twins doesn't look passable by boat. You'd think there would be a draw bridge in the middle.

  • @willpearson9010
    @willpearson9010 Місяць тому +3

    Honestly dude I get a lot more out of these lately than I do the weekly episodes, I hope it’s not an insane amnt of work but I do like these

  • @Ominouscustodian
    @Ominouscustodian Місяць тому +4

    I took that comment from Alicent (“What Aemond has somehow become”) to be more directed at how Criston trained him.. I think we got some slight emphasis on this in S1 as well, showing that Criston was training Aemond a bit ..harshly. But Alicent was definitely not a great parent to him, either.

  • @jacobquirk7557
    @jacobquirk7557 Місяць тому +6

    I think the other Riverlords are there to see Daemon preemptively. They saw what just happened to the Brackens, so they're telling him that if he tries that shit with them, they will still rise up.

    • @leebarbs7176
      @leebarbs7176 Місяць тому +2

      Which is a curious position considering Caraxes exists lol

    • @matteol4384
      @matteol4384 Місяць тому

      @@leebarbs7176fr. Lmao they really try to make Daemon inept af. Where is the competent and charming Commander he was in the books man. Embarrassing

  • @r0za808
    @r0za808 Місяць тому +4

    28:29 “in democracy you can vote out the government…….I’ve heard” i literally laughed out loud.

  • @shingles3517
    @shingles3517 Місяць тому +3

    I like the parallel between Rhaenyra and Deamon. Deamon seems sure to know what to do, not listening to counsel, but is loosing control. Rhaenyra on the other hand is unsure how to proceed, even asks her council " what would you have me do" and struggling, having Jace go behind her back. But by listening to advice and slowly asserting herself, she gains control and makes good decisions (it seems).
    The fireplace scene where they are shown as a mirror image feels so much different. Deamon looking confused and erratic, while Rhaenyra seems anxious but somewhat optimistic.