Can Punch Out Be Beaten Without Dodging?
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2022
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This is the dumbest question. I saw Matt Turk do it while he was walking on water.
Yeah sorry I couldn't resist lol
I suppose Matt Turk is canonically Jesus
@@ianfan426 factual
I see Matt Turk was going easy here
@Luigi 3K he got 4 stars
in punch-out
This comment is funnier than it should be 🤣
An interesting idea would be to try the same thing with the real Mike Tyson and see how long you can last without dodging.
Bold of you to assume you can dodge Mike Tyson in the first place.
@@Chudpope The trick is to take the first combo, then dodge everything else by staying on the floor. After ten seconds, he can't punch you anymore!
@@wadespencer3623you loose the figth but atleast you keep your life
1 second, WR, the other runs are 0 seconds
@@lipingwang6640I feel I'd rather fight Mike Tyson than any other professional boxer, because I wont win against the rest of em, but at least I'll get a free nap from Tyson
I'm guessing 6 ducks or dodges, because I saw 6 ducks by the road earlier today.
Another very fun watch. Love how Mr. Sandman fight is just both boxers throwing their biggest punches and seeing who is still standing when the dust settles.
Heh, yeah. 1 round brawl, haymakers only, may the best...man...win!
Reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho
@@jamnnjelly3102 The knife edge fight!
@@LucianDevine Yup!
Remindes me of Don Frye vs Yoshihiro Takayama in Pride FC
33:56 I nearly shat my brains out lmfao I had no idea you were able to gut punch Tyson, I'm surprised he had a gut punch animation at all!
isn't it possible to gut punch him when he temporarily starts blinking with both eyes?
Every character has a gut punch animation. Except King Hippo, who is missing several animations, my favorite being him inexplicably celebrating when losing by decision if you Game Genie your points to over 999900. Do the same to Sandman for a surprise.
@@danfors1333 yea, but that's not a gut punch stun
@@jovi_monet The commenter didn't specify _stunning_ Tyson in the gut, just the gut punch _animation_ .
I think some challenges could be
- How fast can you beat the game WITHOUT star punches? Interested to see some fights that require them in the speedrun.
- You know we did least amount, how about the opposite figuring the most amount of punches you can successfully land in the game?
Regardless, great video. I've really enjoyed your stuff and I've watched the least punches and perfect speedrun video a ton. I think you teased, but I'd love to see the TAS high score video sometime as well
the speedrun will last till bald bull 2
@@beyondhaircraze4418 decision victory?
@@beyondhaircraze4418 3 frame window for instant ko at round 3 when counter charge
Both sound like very interesting ideas for videos!
@@beyondhaircraze4418Actually, its possible. I did no star Bald Bull on complete accident in my playthrough cuz i didnt know how to star punch. You just need to counter the Bull Charge every time
The health bars put this game into perspective
I genuinely believed mid game fights and beyond had like 200+ health and the player always had like 50
A wise man once said...
"DODGE!"
You legitimately scared me with the 41 second Glass Joe knockdown. I was seriously thinking like, wtf.
A challenge I actually tried back in middle school was a lowest points challenge. I think it could be really interesting with TAS strategies and someone who actually knows all the mechanics. My full game lowest was ended up being 37660 but I’m sure that can be reduced
Thats actually a really good low score. A video a will eventually make in the near future.
@@Papamanual Thanks! And keep up the fire videos!
@@Papamanual I wish this game was 2 players. Like you can use the roster of boxers to fight ur friends or the cpu...like Mr Sandman vs Von Kaiser or Piston Honda vs Bald Bull...that would be so cool
@@sirchi8731 Have to play Super Punch Out for 2 player mode.
@@Aethelia I'm talking about using different boxers like I explained in my previous comment. Like it be cool to use Bald Bull vs Piston Honda or even using Mr Sandman vs Great Tiger.
That's cool that they give you a third get up just for the final boss. Very cinematic of them.
plus, most players need it cuz he's fucking hard
yoooooo ocarina of time cool guy
This challenge is theoretically Canonical with the included minimal required dodges 🌚
The Wii version even has a chance, if you would be KO'd but you're close to beating a boss, if you shake the wiimotes just hard enough, that Mac will bounce off the ropes and keep fighting with a last shred of health.
Beating the boss after you get that is one of the greatest moments you can experience in gaming.
Super Macho Man is harder to perfect.
doc really was right about "dodging isn't always the answer"
Well, he was wrong about Don 1.
@@jimijenkins2548Same with Mr Sandman and Mike Tyson
Man, that 41 on Glass Joe scared the shit out of me, i almost believed it was real.
I mean it was real, just didn’t work unfortunately.
I grew up with this game and how wrong I was thinking it was a 'simple boxing game'. I can't believe how in depth people have gotten with it!
My guess; Hippo could create RNG issues, Sandman will be a roadblock if not the run ender due to his heavy blows and sparse counter opportunities… Macho will probably offer a roadblock to an extent… and I believe Iron Mike will make the run impossible, at this moment in time, I do not think beating Mike Tyson is possible without dodging, and Sandman likely isn’t either. I’ll edit to note what all I guessed right… and also compliment the video!
THE EDIT: For the most part, I was right... Don I caught me offguard though! Good video, enjoyed it very much, the writing and explanations were engaging!
adored the glass joe bit, had to lie down I was laughing so hard at how baited I got
“you couldn’t be more wrong”
*first 3 seconds of vim factory plays 9 and then cuts to an ad*
That definitely caught me off guard
28:42 Bro, you just out-dreamland-expressed Mr. Sandman XD
I wasn't expecting this to be possible, but I didn't expect it to fail as early as Don Flamenco
It showed em getting stars if he threw an early punch b4 Don uppercut. So, y not?
@@andyausman2139 The only way to convince Don to throw an uppercut is by throwing a punch; otherwise Don's content to stand there and taunt you until time runs out. The window of opportunity to land the counterpunch opens and closes while Little Mac is still getting back into position after throwing the punch Don blocks. Only after you've damaged Don Flamenco and he tries again to uppercut you, only then is it possible to counterpunch his uppercuts. So you absolutely must dodge at least one uppercut to win the fight.
Ok that comment example was actually so funny, it's a shame people are going to actually comment it now because that just feels like tarnishing comedy gold.
It's the pinned comment
Another great video Pap. The Sandman fight honestly looked like quite a bit of fun with the unleashing his own medicine against him. Haha.
Love your content so much, I can't wait to watch this. Thank you so much for existing, Pap :)
This is really cool. Few kids could claim victory of this game back in the day. I was one of the few! It took hours and hours and hours, day after day to to get good enough to beat this game. Luckily we could go right back to Mike to practice until you mastered him, but then you knew you had to keep going through the whole thing some more, so you were good enough to do it all at once.
I don't think I ever knew about the swing and miss Soda move. I wouldn't have never dreamed this could be done with just 9 dodges. I would have thought at least 50 to 75 or something lol. That's a LOT of study and effort, man!
Awesome video! I was also very pleasantly surprised to hear a song from Dead Ops Arcade in here! Kevin Sherwood's music is definitely underappreciated when it comes to game OSTs
Just found your channel. I love how in-depth you get with this game!
Pap, I've known you for years, but absent on Twitch as I am, it was a surprise to see your videos show up in my algorithm (they figured out that I love MTPO) and frankly a shock to see just how good they are. This and every other video of yours I've watched were great and engrossing until the very last second. Keep it up!
Yo Crux, Thankyou. Atleast my knowledge for the game can now be put to some monetary use lol
absolutely brilliant video as usual, pap
i have to applaud your choice of background music, not a single miss
I really appreciate all the time you invested in this. It was awesome to watch, and the voice over is so professional
This is great work bro! I don't know why youtube decided to show you to me, but I'm really glad they did :)
I loved this video, it was entertaining, fun and a little educational!
You did an excellent job with this one!
What a stellar video. Been playing punch out since it's release in the 80's.
Ahh, amp plains. Awesome. Thanks for showcasing the PMD2 music.
Don flamenco sandman and Tyson will block the run
Great video dude. This planning was some next level stuff.
Nice selection of music on top of informative video.
Reminds me of the punch out wii dodgeless challenge.
I used to play the hell out of this game back in the day. All the records and challenges that have come out recently are amazing.
One thing I’d like to mention is dodgeless runs on the Wii punch out don’t block either. I’m curious on how many dodges are needed if blocking is banned as well
World Circuit is troubling in both Challenger/Title Defense runs
I'M LOOKING AT YOU, SODA POPINSKI AND SUPER MACHO MAN!
Also I’ve seen the no dodge or block run on Super Punch Out, think from zallord?
@@lowestcommonDenomanator correct, I’ve seen it myself
Still Macho uses headgear to increase Mac’s health and lower heart loss(So the Strat needs Mac to lose 100 times like how after losing for the 100th time glass Joe has headgear in title defense)and a glitch to disable the ai to get a decision win with some rng including getting up before the count on a TKO to abuse the Mac that technically doesnt have Mac hit the canvas and the rng and execution makes it technically possible but unfeasible for a human to perform
Thanks for putting the music info in the description.
We all punchout lovers should apprecoate this man,s story telling skills soo much g8 effort
Punch Out is one of the best puzzle solving games.
wow, you know quite a lot about the game's inner working and obscure mechanics, I even learned quite a bit of new tricks and facts about it from this.
These punch out videos are awesome I hope there’ll be more in the future
This is INCREDIBLE. I love it. It also keeps showing everyone just how brilliantly designed this game truly was. 🙂 Just SOOOOOO much bloody variety! There are so many things a player can do and so many things to discover with weird nuances, tricks, or pattern manipulation. What an A+ video game this was and still is.
I question how brilliantly designed this game is when I try to beat Piston Honda by decision. I haven’t been able to. A game where you can wail on your opponent, knock him down several times, while not taking a single blow yourself, you still lose the fight.
@@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden it's impossible to win any of the title bouts by decision
@@kevinyang9224 Thanks! I did not know that. Sad though that these dudes could win a fight without landing a single punch/point.
@@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Waldenyou actually can if you got more than 3000 or 5000 score points depending on the boxer you are fighting
@@BF-TREZ In this case it was Piston Honda.
the best intro ever is still to this day original Punch Out Sandman, the 4 uppercuts. So badass.
Seeing a run with some sort of punch type restrictions could be interesting? no jabs/bodyblows/uppercuts? You make some real good quality stuff.
I'd LOVE to see if ducking could be used MUCH more often. 🙂 I used to mess with it as a kid, but *timing* was rough b/c of the double tap. With a TAS or experienced runner, I bet it could be pretty cool.
Another solid vid. Keep up the good content Pap, let everyone know I was here before you got huge :)
This reminded me of Summoning Salt doing the one heart challenge beating the game only losing 1 heart (to Don Flamenco 1).
music at 10:07 just made me find out where a music i loved from a flash game came from thank you! (its mega man 2 - wily's castle btw)
Yo I legit fell for the Glass Joe gag and when you showed it was fake I started laughing.
Man, I love seeing TAS manipulations. Good stuff.
They've probably all been done/attempted, but I've tried:
KO (not TKO) every opponent (where possible)
Win every match by decision (where possible)
Score the most points possible (I have no idea what this amount is)
Only knock opponents down via Star punch (I'm not sure how possible this is)
Another high quality vid 👏👏
I've never played this game and probably never will but I've now watched two great videos and subscribed
You got me with the 0:41 Glass Joe, good work.
33:57
TECHNICALLY, you can gut punch Mike Tyson even without this glitch.
At the beginning of the second round, Mike will throw 3/5 sucker punches. If you block one and immediately release the block button, you can gut punch for a star. It's hard to pull off, but possible. I always go for that when replaying the fight from time to time.
EDIT: I'm dumb, as he said "stunning is only possible with the glitch" not "gut punching is only possible with the glitch".
He's talking about stunning Tyson. He knows about that, but those punches don't stun him
@@phonicfan31 Ups... sorry, I must have misunderstood that back then.
Love the megaman 2 Dr. Wily stage 1 theme being used ❤
Brings back so many memories. When i was a kid, i was the only one that could take out Mike Tyson on my block. Oh the glory days. Thanks for the vid, makes me want to play it again
Ah, so we're playing the game Rocky-Balboa style.
This was pretty cool breakdown
Good stuff, great write up!
14:04 "And by possible, I mean the odds are *so bad, I'm not even going to read out this number."*
Don't worry, I'll do it for you.
"The odds of success are one in four hundred fourteen octillion, three hundred ten septillion, nine hundred seventy seven sextillion, seven hundred sixty six quintillion, two hundred thirty six quadrillion, one hundred ninety four trillion, six hundred twenty five billion, seventeen million, two hundred twenty nine thousand, one hundred ninety six."
Nice! Though I doubt the pseudo-RNG is of a high enough quality for this theoretical probability to even be possible.
just when you think you know everything there is to know about a game. that glitch with soda was def a new one on me.
I'd love to see a run where you take as much total damage (including knockdown healing and select between rounds) as possible while still winning. Some fights will have harder hits, meaning that blocking to take partial damage will be necessary to get as low as possible.
That sounds very similar to a high score run of the game.
@@Papamanual Interesting. I didn't know you got so many points for taking damage as well.
@@deverinshaille7427 You dont get points for taking damage, but taking damage allows your opponent to heal some health which allows you to damage them more so you can get more points. Its incredibly complicated to work out what is the optimal strategy in most fights.
Amazing video. Keep it up!
AWESOME VIDEO PAP.. ENJOYED IT👌👍
I love making blind guesses on things like this. I would suspect even in a TAS setting, Mike Tyson still needs dodges, at least in round 1. Plus a small handful of others here and there. Maybe 40 or 50 total?
Wow. Those are some absolutely wild delay strats. I figured I'd be off by a little. Didn't know I'd be off by an order of magnitude.
@@drengnikrafe I thought Tyson would’ve needed 10-20 alone
@@evanmed301 legends say not even mike tyson himself could beat his video game counterpart
I was guessing like none Needed till Tyson then like 16 for Tyson. But I havent played the game before
This was one of the craziest videos I’ve seen. Wow.
Another good challenge would be winning the most matches by decision. There are a few that you have to win by knockout, but all the others involve strategies to not accidentally knock out your opponet. Soda Popinski becomes the most difficult opponent in the game.
Don taunting Little Mac to attack is so funny. Btw, good job on the explanations.
I do have question though: what were the odds of beating MTPO with the fewest amount of dodges? Just curious.
"How many times did you just barely hit left or right to avoid one of Tyson's devastating uppercuts?"
Considering his attack speed, every Tyson uppercut I've ever dodged.
It's not Punch Out related but I had a challenge for MGS3 Snake Eater that I call the "Survivors Instinct" challenge where you play through the game with only the knife and wear the "Naked" camo and on the hardest difficulty setting (certain bosses are an exception to this rule because you have to beat them in a specific way using specific weapons and exploits). You also can't eat any man made food only animals and fruit, and if you take damage you can't heal using any healing items.
Very cool. I’m now a sub. i love videos like this.
How bout this challenge?
Win all fights by decision only!
Thats kinda like a highscore run, except not as good. Also PH1, Hippo, BB1, Sandman and Macho cant be beaten by decision.
7:45 A dodgeless run is impossible......thank you for saving me the time
My guess is that Don won’t be possible: I also suspect that macho, sandman, and Tyson will require dodges as well. My guess is 12. I’m probably going to look silly.
Edit: just finished. Got pretty close! I’m very impressed! Great job!
10:06 That's the music from Mega Man 2 Dr Wily stage, for those who didn't remember it being in Punch Out.
Glass Joe beat Shawn Michaels, his 1 win vs 99 losses.
This is the dumbest question. I saw Matt Turk do it while he was walking on water.
Sandman vs Mac feels like I’m a watching a real boxing 🥊 match. 😅
I love to imagine that Soda Popinski is actually polite and/or gullible and when you block during his uppercut hes just like "Dont worry, I'll wait, I get youre scared, I'll wait for you to be prepared"
My biggest claim to fame with MTP was when I was working at Funcoland, was playing it during some downtime and I beat Mike Tyson without getting knocked down myself...I was so ecstatic and nobody was there to witness it :(
I Think Yellow Devil Music Was Fitting When You Were Explaining Bald Bull 1
Amazing video! 😁
Wow, dude you got the skills to pay the bills
That fake out on Glass Joe had me going haha
The concept of this is horrifying
I've lost to glass Joe... more than once...
I'm glad this video wasn't one of those "Can we do something I totally know we can but want to bait the audience into clicking on it" kinds of videos. Usually those videos have a run FAR more difficult performed by someone else, like "Can we beat Dark Souls with Dung Pies", then someone uploads another video with "Can we beat Dark Souls with a Broadsword?", and the answer becomes "of course you can, please title your video something else or put more effort into your content instead of making this clickbait garbage on par with Watchmojo"
Mate you make people like me proud and you inspire me to do better everyday
That fuckin Amp plains remaster goes so so hard
the crash bash song is so underrated
My dad had to call the Nintendo hotline to find out how to beat the bull charge. Then he came to tell me and I was already at the second bull fight. Things were so much simpler back then
Your a savage bro loves the video… I could never beat that game lol
"Dodge like a fly and bite like a mosquito!"
little mac has lived his life simply shooting the flies down with a water gun.
Mike is one hit knockdown at the beginning
I played this game for years until I noticed you could even dodge by pressing down twice! This was the way how I finally beat this game.
The way of the intercepting punch-out!
+1 for the Unreal Tournament music
this game has burned it's self into the psyche of evey (late) gen X or (early) millenial nerd that grew up playing it. i ahven't played the game in years but i still remember that mike swings killer uppercuts for the first 1:30 of round 1. that's a looooonnng 1:30 minutes
Me, as glass joe walks up: idk like ten?
Me, as Tyson eats canvas: omg I was almost dead on!
If the code is adjusted so that every even blow that lands heals instead of damages it would be very difficult for the computer to win the game unless it would only use uppercuts for the odd blows and jabs for the even blows.
Ei: 1 - Jab (damage 5 HP)
2- Jab (heal 5 HP)
3- Uppercut (damage 7 hp)
4- Jab (heal 5 HP)
Another way would be to adjust the game so that the boxers have no arms. This may not work for Mike Tyson as he has been known to bite.