@@lipingwang6640I feel I'd rather fight Mike Tyson than any other professional boxer, because I wont win against the rest of em, but at least I'll get a free nap from Tyson
Another very fun watch. Love how Mr. Sandman fight is just both boxers throwing their biggest punches and seeing who is still standing when the dust settles.
A challenge I actually tried back in middle school was a lowest points challenge. I think it could be really interesting with TAS strategies and someone who actually knows all the mechanics. My full game lowest was ended up being 37660 but I’m sure that can be reduced
@@Papamanual I wish this game was 2 players. Like you can use the roster of boxers to fight ur friends or the cpu...like Mr Sandman vs Von Kaiser or Piston Honda vs Bald Bull...that would be so cool
@@Aethelia I'm talking about using different boxers like I explained in my previous comment. Like it be cool to use Bald Bull vs Piston Honda or even using Mr Sandman vs Great Tiger.
Every character has a gut punch animation. Except King Hippo, who is missing several animations, my favorite being him inexplicably celebrating when losing by decision if you Game Genie your points to over 999900. Do the same to Sandman for a surprise.
I think some challenges could be - How fast can you beat the game WITHOUT star punches? Interested to see some fights that require them in the speedrun. - You know we did least amount, how about the opposite figuring the most amount of punches you can successfully land in the game? Regardless, great video. I've really enjoyed your stuff and I've watched the least punches and perfect speedrun video a ton. I think you teased, but I'd love to see the TAS high score video sometime as well
@@beyondhaircraze4418Actually, its possible. I did no star Bald Bull on complete accident in my playthrough cuz i didnt know how to star punch. You just need to counter the Bull Charge every time
My guess; Hippo could create RNG issues, Sandman will be a roadblock if not the run ender due to his heavy blows and sparse counter opportunities… Macho will probably offer a roadblock to an extent… and I believe Iron Mike will make the run impossible, at this moment in time, I do not think beating Mike Tyson is possible without dodging, and Sandman likely isn’t either. I’ll edit to note what all I guessed right… and also compliment the video! THE EDIT: For the most part, I was right... Don I caught me offguard though! Good video, enjoyed it very much, the writing and explanations were engaging!
The Wii version even has a chance, if you would be KO'd but you're close to beating a boss, if you shake the wiimotes just hard enough, that Mac will bounce off the ropes and keep fighting with a last shred of health. Beating the boss after you get that is one of the greatest moments you can experience in gaming.
Ok that comment example was actually so funny, it's a shame people are going to actually comment it now because that just feels like tarnishing comedy gold.
This is really cool. Few kids could claim victory of this game back in the day. I was one of the few! It took hours and hours and hours, day after day to to get good enough to beat this game. Luckily we could go right back to Mike to practice until you mastered him, but then you knew you had to keep going through the whole thing some more, so you were good enough to do it all at once. I don't think I ever knew about the swing and miss Soda move. I wouldn't have never dreamed this could be done with just 9 dodges. I would have thought at least 50 to 75 or something lol. That's a LOT of study and effort, man!
I first played Punch Out not long after it came out when I was like 6 or 7 years old and it kicked my ass. Not only did I never beat Tyson, I never got past the second Don Flemenco fight. When I was in college I downloaded a rom of Punch Out and was finally going to beat the damn game. I spent hours playing it (instead of going to class; not my best idea) and I actually discovered a lot of these speed running tricks on my own. I agree that being able to beat Tyson after playing through the entire game feels like quite the accomplishment to someone like me who struggled so badly with it when I was younger.
@@andyausman2139 The only way to convince Don to throw an uppercut is by throwing a punch; otherwise Don's content to stand there and taunt you until time runs out. The window of opportunity to land the counterpunch opens and closes while Little Mac is still getting back into position after throwing the punch Don blocks. Only after you've damaged Don Flamenco and he tries again to uppercut you, only then is it possible to counterpunch his uppercuts. So you absolutely must dodge at least one uppercut to win the fight.
14:04 "And by possible, I mean the odds are *so bad, I'm not even going to read out this number."* Don't worry, I'll do it for you. "The odds of success are one in four hundred fourteen octillion, three hundred ten septillion, nine hundred seventy seven sextillion, seven hundred sixty six quintillion, two hundred thirty six quadrillion, one hundred ninety four trillion, six hundred twenty five billion, seventeen million, two hundred twenty nine thousand, one hundred ninety six."
I still remember playing Mike Tyson every day as a kid during summer break until I beat him. I remember reading that he could only be beat with a KO. When I finally beat him, it was with a decision. I totally expected him to win the decision, so when they said little Mac, I was as stunned as the look on Mike Tyson face. I love that face sprite
Pap, I've known you for years, but absent on Twitch as I am, it was a surprise to see your videos show up in my algorithm (they figured out that I love MTPO) and frankly a shock to see just how good they are. This and every other video of yours I've watched were great and engrossing until the very last second. Keep it up!
This is INCREDIBLE. I love it. It also keeps showing everyone just how brilliantly designed this game truly was. 🙂 Just SOOOOOO much bloody variety! There are so many things a player can do and so many things to discover with weird nuances, tricks, or pattern manipulation. What an A+ video game this was and still is.
I question how brilliantly designed this game is when I try to beat Piston Honda by decision. I haven’t been able to. A game where you can wail on your opponent, knock him down several times, while not taking a single blow yourself, you still lose the fight.
One thing I’d like to mention is dodgeless runs on the Wii punch out don’t block either. I’m curious on how many dodges are needed if blocking is banned as well
Still Macho uses headgear to increase Mac’s health and lower heart loss(So the Strat needs Mac to lose 100 times like how after losing for the 100th time glass Joe has headgear in title defense)and a glitch to disable the ai to get a decision win with some rng including getting up before the count on a TKO to abuse the Mac that technically doesnt have Mac hit the canvas and the rng and execution makes it technically possible but unfeasible for a human to perform
Awesome video! I was also very pleasantly surprised to hear a song from Dead Ops Arcade in here! Kevin Sherwood's music is definitely underappreciated when it comes to game OSTs
They've probably all been done/attempted, but I've tried: KO (not TKO) every opponent (where possible) Win every match by decision (where possible) Score the most points possible (I have no idea what this amount is) Only knock opponents down via Star punch (I'm not sure how possible this is)
33:57 TECHNICALLY, you can gut punch Mike Tyson even without this glitch. At the beginning of the second round, Mike will throw 3/5 sucker punches. If you block one and immediately release the block button, you can gut punch for a star. It's hard to pull off, but possible. I always go for that when replaying the fight from time to time. EDIT: I'm dumb, as he said "stunning is only possible with the glitch" not "gut punching is only possible with the glitch".
Its wild the level of analysis being put into this old game. Alot of these things I did as a 10 year old based on trial-and-error and feel without really kbowing the patterns.
I love making blind guesses on things like this. I would suspect even in a TAS setting, Mike Tyson still needs dodges, at least in round 1. Plus a small handful of others here and there. Maybe 40 or 50 total?
My biggest claim to fame with MTP was when I was working at Funcoland, was playing it during some downtime and I beat Mike Tyson without getting knocked down myself...I was so ecstatic and nobody was there to witness it :(
I feel like this video should show what a human would be capable of. The second Bald Bull fight, in my opinion, should have showed a more realistic result. Nevertheless, this was a very good video! I especially like that you included flowcharts of the odds for how the enemy AI behaves!
I definitely couldve gone that route, but finding the absolute limit is more "definitive". People have a variety of skill levels... And tbh, since I havent had my NES setup for like 3 years, it was just easier for me to TAS it lol.
@@Papamanual Yeah, that's understandable. Personally, I probably would have done something along the lines of showing what's possible if your luck is something like 97.5% (and/or 84%) ideal. That's just what I would do, based on the appearance of a bell curve. But as I said, good video all the same! I'm surprised I overshot my estimate with 12.
I love to imagine that Soda Popinski is actually polite and/or gullible and when you block during his uppercut hes just like "Dont worry, I'll wait, I get youre scared, I'll wait for you to be prepared"
I'd LOVE to see if ducking could be used MUCH more often. 🙂 I used to mess with it as a kid, but *timing* was rough b/c of the double tap. With a TAS or experienced runner, I bet it could be pretty cool.
It's not Punch Out related but I had a challenge for MGS3 Snake Eater that I call the "Survivors Instinct" challenge where you play through the game with only the knife and wear the "Naked" camo and on the hardest difficulty setting (certain bosses are an exception to this rule because you have to beat them in a specific way using specific weapons and exploits). You also can't eat any man made food only animals and fruit, and if you take damage you can't heal using any healing items.
I'd love to see a run where you take as much total damage (including knockdown healing and select between rounds) as possible while still winning. Some fights will have harder hits, meaning that blocking to take partial damage will be necessary to get as low as possible.
@@deverinshaille7427 You dont get points for taking damage, but taking damage allows your opponent to heal some health which allows you to damage them more so you can get more points. Its incredibly complicated to work out what is the optimal strategy in most fights.
Another good challenge would be winning the most matches by decision. There are a few that you have to win by knockout, but all the others involve strategies to not accidentally knock out your opponet. Soda Popinski becomes the most difficult opponent in the game.
14:07 I will. That is one in four-hundred fourteen octillion, three-hundred ten septillion, nine-hundred seventy-seven sextillion, seven-hundred sixty-six quintillion, two-hundred thirty-six quadrillion, one-hundred ninety-four trillion, six-hundred twenty-five billion, seventeen million, two-hundred twenty-nine thousand, one-hundred ninety-six. To put that in perspective, you could fight Bald Bull every five minutes since the beginning of time, and not get that lucky.
It’s weird… Appetite For Destruction is playing in my head while I watch this. Brings me back to me and my buddy playing Nintendo while listening to music. Dang.
Brings back so many memories. When i was a kid, i was the only one that could take out Mike Tyson on my block. Oh the glory days. Thanks for the vid, makes me want to play it again
My guess is that Don won’t be possible: I also suspect that macho, sandman, and Tyson will require dodges as well. My guess is 12. I’m probably going to look silly. Edit: just finished. Got pretty close! I’m very impressed! Great job!
My dad had to call the Nintendo hotline to find out how to beat the bull charge. Then he came to tell me and I was already at the second bull fight. Things were so much simpler back then
When I was in 6th grade, my friend got me the code that skipped to Super Macho Man. He told me, it wasn’t possible to dodge his multiple super punch and you needed to duck. I tried this for about a month and couldn’t beat him. One day I actually dodged one and I was like holy crap you CAN dodge? I beat him soon after.
If the code is adjusted so that every even blow that lands heals instead of damages it would be very difficult for the computer to win the game unless it would only use uppercuts for the odd blows and jabs for the even blows. Ei: 1 - Jab (damage 5 HP) 2- Jab (heal 5 HP) 3- Uppercut (damage 7 hp) 4- Jab (heal 5 HP) Another way would be to adjust the game so that the boxers have no arms. This may not work for Mike Tyson as he has been known to bite.
"How many times did you just barely hit left or right to avoid one of Tyson's devastating uppercuts?" Considering his attack speed, every Tyson uppercut I've ever dodged.
The odds on Bald Bull 2 are 1 in 414 octillion 310 septillion 977 sextillion 766 quintillion 236 quadrillion 194 trillion 625 billion 17 million 229 thousand and 196. :) Since Pap didn't want to read it out XD
I'm glad this video wasn't one of those "Can we do something I totally know we can but want to bait the audience into clicking on it" kinds of videos. Usually those videos have a run FAR more difficult performed by someone else, like "Can we beat Dark Souls with Dung Pies", then someone uploads another video with "Can we beat Dark Souls with a Broadsword?", and the answer becomes "of course you can, please title your video something else or put more effort into your content instead of making this clickbait garbage on par with Watchmojo"
The Sandman fight is the most anime thing I've seen in this game. It's like Mac is just trying to survive the onslaught of Sandman's triple uppercuts until at the last minute he learns to replicate the attack and finishes the fight with the last of his strength. I swear I've seen the exact thing happen in Dragon Ball or something.
Imagine you're in the bull 2 and is on round 3. you know the knockdown or ko patterns. On the bull charge, you intercept and he gets up. Biggest what the hell moment of all The ONE moment you get a frame perfect
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This is the dumbest question. I saw Matt Turk do it while he was walking on water.
Yeah sorry I couldn't resist lol
I suppose Matt Turk is canonically Jesus
@@ianfan426 factual
I see Matt Turk was going easy here
@Luigi 3K he got 4 stars
in punch-out
This comment is funnier than it should be 🤣
An interesting idea would be to try the same thing with the real Mike Tyson and see how long you can last without dodging.
Bold of you to assume you can dodge Mike Tyson in the first place.
@@Chudpope The trick is to take the first combo, then dodge everything else by staying on the floor. After ten seconds, he can't punch you anymore!
@@wadespencer3623you loose the figth but atleast you keep your life
1 second, WR, the other runs are 0 seconds
@@lipingwang6640I feel I'd rather fight Mike Tyson than any other professional boxer, because I wont win against the rest of em, but at least I'll get a free nap from Tyson
Another very fun watch. Love how Mr. Sandman fight is just both boxers throwing their biggest punches and seeing who is still standing when the dust settles.
Heh, yeah. 1 round brawl, haymakers only, may the best...man...win!
Reminds me of Yu Yu Hakusho
@@jamnnjelly3102 The knife edge fight!
@@LucianDevine Yup!
Remindes me of Don Frye vs Yoshihiro Takayama in Pride FC
The health bars put this game into perspective
I genuinely believed mid game fights and beyond had like 200+ health and the player always had like 50
A challenge I actually tried back in middle school was a lowest points challenge. I think it could be really interesting with TAS strategies and someone who actually knows all the mechanics. My full game lowest was ended up being 37660 but I’m sure that can be reduced
Thats actually a really good low score. A video a will eventually make in the near future.
@@Papamanual Thanks! And keep up the fire videos!
@@Papamanual I wish this game was 2 players. Like you can use the roster of boxers to fight ur friends or the cpu...like Mr Sandman vs Von Kaiser or Piston Honda vs Bald Bull...that would be so cool
@@sirchi8731 Have to play Super Punch Out for 2 player mode.
@@Aethelia I'm talking about using different boxers like I explained in my previous comment. Like it be cool to use Bald Bull vs Piston Honda or even using Mr Sandman vs Great Tiger.
You legitimately scared me with the 41 second Glass Joe knockdown. I was seriously thinking like, wtf.
You can get a 41 second Joe.
...on PAL.
@@Mobius14 As said by one Juan “Hungrybox” Debiedma, “We don’t like PAL. We enjoy bloodshed.”
I've done it on nes
@@timhick6 lie
I used to do this when I was a kid. The higher you go, the more difficult. Don’t remember how far I got. Definitely didn’t beat Tyson.
A wise man once said...
"DODGE!"
Dodge
Dip
Duck
Dive
and Dodge
DOOOOOOOOOODGE
he telegraphed that
R U N Man!
@@Proto_Divihe invented the star punch
33:56 I nearly shat my brains out lmfao I had no idea you were able to gut punch Tyson, I'm surprised he had a gut punch animation at all!
isn't it possible to gut punch him when he temporarily starts blinking with both eyes?
Every character has a gut punch animation. Except King Hippo, who is missing several animations, my favorite being him inexplicably celebrating when losing by decision if you Game Genie your points to over 999900. Do the same to Sandman for a surprise.
@@danfors1333 yea, but that's not a gut punch stun
@@jovi_monet The commenter didn't specify _stunning_ Tyson in the gut, just the gut punch _animation_ .
I'm guessing 6 ducks or dodges, because I saw 6 ducks by the road earlier today.
I saw 8 Dodge cars on the the way to work.
I dipped 10 chips in sauce today
No Dogecoin Jokes??
@@Gregory-bt9hb The only dogecoin joke i can think of is dogecoin itself.
Man, that 41 on Glass Joe scared the shit out of me, i almost believed it was real.
I mean it was real, just didn’t work unfortunately.
@@farewell418 on NTSC at least, you probably could on PAL versions
I think some challenges could be
- How fast can you beat the game WITHOUT star punches? Interested to see some fights that require them in the speedrun.
- You know we did least amount, how about the opposite figuring the most amount of punches you can successfully land in the game?
Regardless, great video. I've really enjoyed your stuff and I've watched the least punches and perfect speedrun video a ton. I think you teased, but I'd love to see the TAS high score video sometime as well
the speedrun will last till bald bull 2
@@beyondhaircraze4418 decision victory?
@@beyondhaircraze4418 3 frame window for instant ko at round 3 when counter charge
Both sound like very interesting ideas for videos!
@@beyondhaircraze4418Actually, its possible. I did no star Bald Bull on complete accident in my playthrough cuz i didnt know how to star punch. You just need to counter the Bull Charge every time
My guess; Hippo could create RNG issues, Sandman will be a roadblock if not the run ender due to his heavy blows and sparse counter opportunities… Macho will probably offer a roadblock to an extent… and I believe Iron Mike will make the run impossible, at this moment in time, I do not think beating Mike Tyson is possible without dodging, and Sandman likely isn’t either. I’ll edit to note what all I guessed right… and also compliment the video!
THE EDIT: For the most part, I was right... Don I caught me offguard though! Good video, enjoyed it very much, the writing and explanations were engaging!
That's cool that they give you a third get up just for the final boss. Very cinematic of them.
plus, most players need it cuz he's fucking hard
yoooooo ocarina of time cool guy
This challenge is theoretically Canonical with the included minimal required dodges 🌚
The Wii version even has a chance, if you would be KO'd but you're close to beating a boss, if you shake the wiimotes just hard enough, that Mac will bounce off the ropes and keep fighting with a last shred of health.
Beating the boss after you get that is one of the greatest moments you can experience in gaming.
Super Macho Man is harder to perfect.
“you couldn’t be more wrong”
*first 3 seconds of vim factory plays 9 and then cuts to an ad*
That definitely caught me off guard
adored the glass joe bit, had to lie down I was laughing so hard at how baited I got
doc really was right about "dodging isn't always the answer"
Well, he was wrong about Don 1.
@@jimijenkins2548Same with Mr Sandman and Mike Tyson
I grew up with this game and how wrong I was thinking it was a 'simple boxing game'. I can't believe how in depth people have gotten with it!
That's because, in reality, it isn't a boxing game, but a puzzle game masquerading as a boxing game. 😂
Ok that comment example was actually so funny, it's a shame people are going to actually comment it now because that just feels like tarnishing comedy gold.
It's the pinned comment
This is really cool. Few kids could claim victory of this game back in the day. I was one of the few! It took hours and hours and hours, day after day to to get good enough to beat this game. Luckily we could go right back to Mike to practice until you mastered him, but then you knew you had to keep going through the whole thing some more, so you were good enough to do it all at once.
I don't think I ever knew about the swing and miss Soda move. I wouldn't have never dreamed this could be done with just 9 dodges. I would have thought at least 50 to 75 or something lol. That's a LOT of study and effort, man!
I first played Punch Out not long after it came out when I was like 6 or 7 years old and it kicked my ass. Not only did I never beat Tyson, I never got past the second Don Flemenco fight. When I was in college I downloaded a rom of Punch Out and was finally going to beat the damn game. I spent hours playing it (instead of going to class; not my best idea) and I actually discovered a lot of these speed running tricks on my own. I agree that being able to beat Tyson after playing through the entire game feels like quite the accomplishment to someone like me who struggled so badly with it when I was younger.
I wasn't expecting this to be possible, but I didn't expect it to fail as early as Don Flamenco
It showed em getting stars if he threw an early punch b4 Don uppercut. So, y not?
@@andyausman2139 The only way to convince Don to throw an uppercut is by throwing a punch; otherwise Don's content to stand there and taunt you until time runs out. The window of opportunity to land the counterpunch opens and closes while Little Mac is still getting back into position after throwing the punch Don blocks. Only after you've damaged Don Flamenco and he tries again to uppercut you, only then is it possible to counterpunch his uppercuts. So you absolutely must dodge at least one uppercut to win the fight.
14:04 "And by possible, I mean the odds are *so bad, I'm not even going to read out this number."*
Don't worry, I'll do it for you.
"The odds of success are one in four hundred fourteen octillion, three hundred ten septillion, nine hundred seventy seven sextillion, seven hundred sixty six quintillion, two hundred thirty six quadrillion, one hundred ninety four trillion, six hundred twenty five billion, seventeen million, two hundred twenty nine thousand, one hundred ninety six."
Nice! Though I doubt the pseudo-RNG is of a high enough quality for this theoretical probability to even be possible.
I still remember playing Mike Tyson every day as a kid during summer break until I beat him. I remember reading that he could only be beat with a KO. When I finally beat him, it was with a decision. I totally expected him to win the decision, so when they said little Mac, I was as stunned as the look on Mike Tyson face. I love that face sprite
Another great video Pap. The Sandman fight honestly looked like quite a bit of fun with the unleashing his own medicine against him. Haha.
That music choice for Don Flamenco 1 is so great and imposing, matching the impossible challenge
28:42 Bro, you just out-dreamland-expressed Mr. Sandman XD
Pap, I've known you for years, but absent on Twitch as I am, it was a surprise to see your videos show up in my algorithm (they figured out that I love MTPO) and frankly a shock to see just how good they are. This and every other video of yours I've watched were great and engrossing until the very last second. Keep it up!
Yo Crux, Thankyou. Atleast my knowledge for the game can now be put to some monetary use lol
absolutely brilliant video as usual, pap
i have to applaud your choice of background music, not a single miss
We all punchout lovers should apprecoate this man,s story telling skills soo much g8 effort
I really appreciate all the time you invested in this. It was awesome to watch, and the voice over is so professional
Yo I legit fell for the Glass Joe gag and when you showed it was fake I started laughing.
This is INCREDIBLE. I love it. It also keeps showing everyone just how brilliantly designed this game truly was. 🙂 Just SOOOOOO much bloody variety! There are so many things a player can do and so many things to discover with weird nuances, tricks, or pattern manipulation. What an A+ video game this was and still is.
I question how brilliantly designed this game is when I try to beat Piston Honda by decision. I haven’t been able to. A game where you can wail on your opponent, knock him down several times, while not taking a single blow yourself, you still lose the fight.
@@SumDumGy it's impossible to win any of the title bouts by decision
@@kevinyang9224 Thanks! I did not know that. Sad though that these dudes could win a fight without landing a single punch/point.
@@SumDumGyyou actually can if you got more than 3000 or 5000 score points depending on the boxer you are fighting
@@BF-TREZ In this case it was Piston Honda.
the best intro ever is still to this day original Punch Out Sandman, the 4 uppercuts. So badass.
One thing I’d like to mention is dodgeless runs on the Wii punch out don’t block either. I’m curious on how many dodges are needed if blocking is banned as well
World Circuit is troubling in both Challenger/Title Defense runs
I'M LOOKING AT YOU, SODA POPINSKI AND SUPER MACHO MAN!
Also I’ve seen the no dodge or block run on Super Punch Out, think from zallord?
@@lowestcommonDenomanator correct, I’ve seen it myself
Still Macho uses headgear to increase Mac’s health and lower heart loss(So the Strat needs Mac to lose 100 times like how after losing for the 100th time glass Joe has headgear in title defense)and a glitch to disable the ai to get a decision win with some rng including getting up before the count on a TKO to abuse the Mac that technically doesnt have Mac hit the canvas and the rng and execution makes it technically possible but unfeasible for a human to perform
Awesome video! I was also very pleasantly surprised to hear a song from Dead Ops Arcade in here! Kevin Sherwood's music is definitely underappreciated when it comes to game OSTs
This reminded me of Summoning Salt doing the one heart challenge beating the game only losing 1 heart (to Don Flamenco 1).
Love your content so much, I can't wait to watch this. Thank you so much for existing, Pap :)
They've probably all been done/attempted, but I've tried:
KO (not TKO) every opponent (where possible)
Win every match by decision (where possible)
Score the most points possible (I have no idea what this amount is)
Only knock opponents down via Star punch (I'm not sure how possible this is)
I think King Hippo is impossible to get stars on.
33:57
TECHNICALLY, you can gut punch Mike Tyson even without this glitch.
At the beginning of the second round, Mike will throw 3/5 sucker punches. If you block one and immediately release the block button, you can gut punch for a star. It's hard to pull off, but possible. I always go for that when replaying the fight from time to time.
EDIT: I'm dumb, as he said "stunning is only possible with the glitch" not "gut punching is only possible with the glitch".
He's talking about stunning Tyson. He knows about that, but those punches don't stun him
@@phonicfan31 Ups... sorry, I must have misunderstood that back then.
Its wild the level of analysis being put into this old game.
Alot of these things I did as a 10 year old based on trial-and-error and feel without really kbowing the patterns.
This is great work bro! I don't know why youtube decided to show you to me, but I'm really glad they did :)
Punch Out is one of the best puzzle solving games.
I love making blind guesses on things like this. I would suspect even in a TAS setting, Mike Tyson still needs dodges, at least in round 1. Plus a small handful of others here and there. Maybe 40 or 50 total?
Wow. Those are some absolutely wild delay strats. I figured I'd be off by a little. Didn't know I'd be off by an order of magnitude.
@@drengnikrafe I thought Tyson would’ve needed 10-20 alone
@@evanmed301 legends say not even mike tyson himself could beat his video game counterpart
I was guessing like none Needed till Tyson then like 16 for Tyson. But I havent played the game before
My biggest claim to fame with MTP was when I was working at Funcoland, was playing it during some downtime and I beat Mike Tyson without getting knocked down myself...I was so ecstatic and nobody was there to witness it :(
I feel like this video should show what a human would be capable of. The second Bald Bull fight, in my opinion, should have showed a more realistic result. Nevertheless, this was a very good video! I especially like that you included flowcharts of the odds for how the enemy AI behaves!
I definitely couldve gone that route, but finding the absolute limit is more "definitive". People have a variety of skill levels... And tbh, since I havent had my NES setup for like 3 years, it was just easier for me to TAS it lol.
@@Papamanual Yeah, that's understandable. Personally, I probably would have done something along the lines of showing what's possible if your luck is something like 97.5% (and/or 84%) ideal. That's just what I would do, based on the appearance of a bell curve. But as I said, good video all the same! I'm surprised I overshot my estimate with 12.
I love to imagine that Soda Popinski is actually polite and/or gullible and when you block during his uppercut hes just like "Dont worry, I'll wait, I get youre scared, I'll wait for you to be prepared"
Just found your channel. I love how in-depth you get with this game!
Nice selection of music on top of informative video.
Reminds me of the punch out wii dodgeless challenge.
I loved this video, it was entertaining, fun and a little educational!
You did an excellent job with this one!
Great video dude. This planning was some next level stuff.
wow, you know quite a lot about the game's inner working and obscure mechanics, I even learned quite a bit of new tricks and facts about it from this.
Seeing a run with some sort of punch type restrictions could be interesting? no jabs/bodyblows/uppercuts? You make some real good quality stuff.
I'd LOVE to see if ducking could be used MUCH more often. 🙂 I used to mess with it as a kid, but *timing* was rough b/c of the double tap. With a TAS or experienced runner, I bet it could be pretty cool.
It's not Punch Out related but I had a challenge for MGS3 Snake Eater that I call the "Survivors Instinct" challenge where you play through the game with only the knife and wear the "Naked" camo and on the hardest difficulty setting (certain bosses are an exception to this rule because you have to beat them in a specific way using specific weapons and exploits). You also can't eat any man made food only animals and fruit, and if you take damage you can't heal using any healing items.
I'd love to see a run where you take as much total damage (including knockdown healing and select between rounds) as possible while still winning. Some fights will have harder hits, meaning that blocking to take partial damage will be necessary to get as low as possible.
That sounds very similar to a high score run of the game.
@@Papamanual Interesting. I didn't know you got so many points for taking damage as well.
@@deverinshaille7427 You dont get points for taking damage, but taking damage allows your opponent to heal some health which allows you to damage them more so you can get more points. Its incredibly complicated to work out what is the optimal strategy in most fights.
Another good challenge would be winning the most matches by decision. There are a few that you have to win by knockout, but all the others involve strategies to not accidentally knock out your opponet. Soda Popinski becomes the most difficult opponent in the game.
I used to play the hell out of this game back in the day. All the records and challenges that have come out recently are amazing.
14:07 I will.
That is one in four-hundred fourteen octillion, three-hundred ten septillion, nine-hundred seventy-seven sextillion, seven-hundred sixty-six quintillion, two-hundred thirty-six quadrillion, one-hundred ninety-four trillion, six-hundred twenty-five billion, seventeen million, two-hundred twenty-nine thousand, one-hundred ninety-six.
To put that in perspective, you could fight Bald Bull every five minutes since the beginning of time, and not get that lucky.
It’s weird… Appetite For Destruction is playing in my head while I watch this. Brings me back to me and my buddy playing Nintendo while listening to music. Dang.
I’ve always thought Don flamenco looked like prince/King Charles
😆 He does! How did I never notice that before?
just when you think you know everything there is to know about a game. that glitch with soda was def a new one on me.
Ahh, amp plains. Awesome. Thanks for showcasing the PMD2 music.
In April, I’d like to see the game completed with as few head/mouth punches as possible. April is Parkinson’s Disease Awareness Month.
What a stellar video. Been playing punch out since it's release in the 80's.
I needed you to come over my house back in 1987. I played the arcade with out Tyson before this.
How bout this challenge?
Win all fights by decision only!
Thats kinda like a highscore run, except not as good. Also PH1, Hippo, BB1, Sandman and Macho cant be beaten by decision.
Brings back so many memories. When i was a kid, i was the only one that could take out Mike Tyson on my block. Oh the glory days. Thanks for the vid, makes me want to play it again
3:37 he did what to his Honda?
Whaled away on Honda. Haven't you ever whaled away on your Honda? You gotta try it!
I saw Matt Turk do it while walking on water.
14:09 1 in 414 octillion, 310 septillion, 977 sextillion, 766 quintillion, 236 quadrillion, 194 trillion, 625 billion,, 17 million, 229 thousand, 196
Ah, so we're playing the game Rocky-Balboa style.
My guess is that Don won’t be possible: I also suspect that macho, sandman, and Tyson will require dodges as well. My guess is 12. I’m probably going to look silly.
Edit: just finished. Got pretty close! I’m very impressed! Great job!
Don flamenco sandman and Tyson will block the run
My dad had to call the Nintendo hotline to find out how to beat the bull charge. Then he came to tell me and I was already at the second bull fight. Things were so much simpler back then
When I was in 6th grade, my friend got me the code that skipped to Super Macho Man. He told me, it wasn’t possible to dodge his multiple super punch and you needed to duck. I tried this for about a month and couldn’t beat him. One day I actually dodged one and I was like holy crap you CAN dodge? I beat him soon after.
If the code is adjusted so that every even blow that lands heals instead of damages it would be very difficult for the computer to win the game unless it would only use uppercuts for the odd blows and jabs for the even blows.
Ei: 1 - Jab (damage 5 HP)
2- Jab (heal 5 HP)
3- Uppercut (damage 7 hp)
4- Jab (heal 5 HP)
Another way would be to adjust the game so that the boxers have no arms. This may not work for Mike Tyson as he has been known to bite.
"I last until right before the two minute mark..."
--Spoken frequently in the video; and also in my bedroom if I think about baseball stats
Answers the question by 7:50, continues for another 31 minutes lol
These punch out videos are awesome I hope there’ll be more in the future
This is the dumbest question. I saw Matt Turk do it while he was walking on water.
20:48 Little Mac will wait patiently for his revenge but only for 25 turns after that he will begin his assault
I love how Tyson gets weaker after round 1, just like real life
Here’s a challenge run, MT punch out, use only gut punches to deal damage
"How many times did you just barely hit left or right to avoid one of Tyson's devastating uppercuts?"
Considering his attack speed, every Tyson uppercut I've ever dodged.
Mike is one hit knockdown at the beginning
The odds on Bald Bull 2 are 1 in 414 octillion 310 septillion 977 sextillion 766 quintillion 236 quadrillion 194 trillion 625 billion 17 million 229 thousand and 196. :)
Since Pap didn't want to read it out XD
A strategy I learned to beat Soda Pop was to get the uppercut star, wait for a cross, quick dodge, raw uppercut. Works every time.
I would like to see if you can beat Punch-Out without Face Punches, it's an interesting idea.
You can’t because in king hippo your forced to use face punches
This can also be called "Playing Mike Tyson's Punch Out As Rocky Balboa"
music at 10:07 just made me find out where a music i loved from a flash game came from thank you! (its mega man 2 - wily's castle btw)
14:06 LOL when i saw the 1 in 414 octillion text appear i literally died of laughter! WTF.
Get Dream in here, and the mathematician he used!
I'm glad this video wasn't one of those "Can we do something I totally know we can but want to bait the audience into clicking on it" kinds of videos. Usually those videos have a run FAR more difficult performed by someone else, like "Can we beat Dark Souls with Dung Pies", then someone uploads another video with "Can we beat Dark Souls with a Broadsword?", and the answer becomes "of course you can, please title your video something else or put more effort into your content instead of making this clickbait garbage on par with Watchmojo"
The sweet science of boxing is literally the art of NOT getting hit.
I am surprised it was only 9, good watch
7:45 A dodgeless run is impossible......thank you for saving me the time
Thanks for putting the music info in the description.
Another high quality vid 👏👏
Another solid vid. Keep up the good content Pap, let everyone know I was here before you got huge :)
"Dodge like a fly and bite like a mosquito!"
little mac has lived his life simply shooting the flies down with a water gun.
The Sandman fight is the most anime thing I've seen in this game.
It's like Mac is just trying to survive the onslaught of Sandman's triple uppercuts until at the last minute he learns to replicate the attack and finishes the fight with the last of his strength.
I swear I've seen the exact thing happen in Dragon Ball or something.
Imagine you're in the bull 2 and is on round 3. you know the knockdown or ko patterns. On the bull charge, you intercept and he gets up. Biggest what the hell moment of all
The ONE moment you get a frame perfect
You got me with the 0:41 Glass Joe, good work.