China is now ahead of US and all other Western countries in nearly every STEM field, so it's not Washington but Beijing who will benefit from neocons barring Chinese students from studying STEM in US universities. I mean Shakespeare? The Federalist Papers? Give me a break! Even native-born Americans don't study them anymore. By the way, kudos to you two for putting it out there, unlike we older Chinese-Americans who believed in keeping your head down and don't rock the boat, you guys show if we don't fight for our place in America, they'll keep throwing us under the bus. So, you two ROCK ON!
Because of geography, people in US can own a big house in a big plot of land whereas China is densely populated. This remains the only thing that attracts Chinese students to remain in US.
According to Justia, the legal website, an Asian inventor is listed on three quarters of patents filed by Qualcomm and two-thirds of the patents filed by Intel and Nvidia. Most of these Asian inventors are Chinese, just by the sheer numbers of them in hardware engineering. The head of Intel's famed Pentium program for many years was Chinese; An Wang built a billion-dollar personal computer company long before Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. People have no idea how important Chinese Americans have been to the computer and tech industry in the US.
The US wants it's cake and to eat it too. They want Chinese and other international students to come to the US and pay 2x tuition but they don't want them to get a degree that is useful in their respective country. The humanities and social studies degrees are very valuable but they are not as valuable if it comes from another country. Why go to the US for a humanities degree when a humanities degree in China is more relevant and useful?
Because a American humanities degree, coming from a multicultural immigrant nation, has more global relevance than one specific to ethnostate China? Might be important to understand what more of the world thinks if Chinese brands want to develop a less substitutable and disposable reputation.
@@doujinfliplmao why tf would a Chinese student want to study an American humanities degree that wouldn't be relevant at all in China over Sciences that are universal? Literally doesn't make any sense."Multicultural immigration nation", is that supposed to mean anything? The world doesn't revolve around America regardless of what you might think
@@doujinflipI spent 16 years in the states from a New England snobby prep school to NYU Stern to Harvard. I have been an entrepreneur in 7 countries, USA, UK, Philippines, Indonesia, China, South Africa and Singapore of which 3 companies went public and the most consumer facing company has 11 million active monthly customers at its peak. I can say at least from my own experiences, an American humanities degree is absolutely worthless in 5 of those 7 countries and imo about half useful in the UK. As for American multiculturalism, it’s useless because it’s a jack of all trades but master of none. Most African Americans, even those who can trace their roots to South Africa, would have very little cultural similarities to the modern South African. Most born and bred Asian Americans have no clue about the specific nuances of their ancestral country. Stating China is an ethnostate is the first sign to me that you have no clue how diverse China is, just because the Chinese may look the same to you, doesn’t mean they are the same. For example, Northern Chinese is very different from Southern Chinese, the bulk of what Americans think is Chinese is very specifically South China and even more specifically 2 provinces out of the current 23 provinces, before it was classified under 36 provinces. I speak 4 dialects in those 2 Southern provinces alone and unless everyone is conversing in Mandarin, a Cantonese speaker would not understand a Teochew speaker both of whom now belong to Guangdong province. The American analogy would be a non-American thinking a New Yorker is exactly the same as a Texan because they are both American. There are major common culturally practices but they all do it in their own way regionally, the main difference here is New York and Texas both speak English, while Cantonese and Teochew are practically 2 different languages with the same writing system, kinda like English and German, both use the Alphabet. So yeah good luck selling to the Chinese with an American multiculturalism perspective thinking they are monolithic. Without even taking into account the difference within the Han majority, there are 55 other ethnic groups that are closer culturally to the Turks, Russians, Indians and Arabs than they are to Han. I have so far met only 2 Americans who actually knew Rice isn’t the staple carb in North China and that Americans think all Chinese eat rice as their staple carb is more due to not being able to tell Chinese, Koreans and Japanese apart. Or in Indonesia where there over 1300 ethnic groups today. Good luck trying to sell them anything with an American multiculturalism perspective because there is less than 1% of those ethnic groups actually in America and most of those are of Chinese ancestry. Or India, which is even more diverse than China and Indonesia. As for what I think you mean when you say the world, I think you are referring to 10% of the world’s population, meaning half of EU plus USA plus Canada because far as I know the rest of the world’s population, American multiculturalism is and never was a thing and about as useless. So as someone who had over 9000 people on payroll, anyone applying for a job with an American humanities degree won’t make it past initial HR pruning unless the applicant is applying for a position in the US or UK office during my tenure. I also instituted standardised test for all applicants across all country offices for non-entry level positions on universal knowledge and localised knowledge, the logic and math portions of those tests would require someone who passed SAT math with at least 700 out of 800 to answer to a passing grade to get to the interview phase of the application while the localised portion would ask questions related to the specific country or state or province, like what’s the difference between Texas BBQ and Carolina’s BBQ or what are the differences of Bicol Adobo to Batangas Adobo.
OP, I think the bigger question is, why would China want to import American’s gender ideology or let their next generation be indoctrinated by those ideas while paying over 100k a year to send their kids to study those subjects when there is 5K years of humanities to study which has shaped not only China but a massive portion of Asia and has influenced even western philosophy like Sun Tzu Art of War which has been a must read in American business schools.
@@WarrenKLiu He's a racist white weeb, you probably just wasted your time trying to explain this to him as he refuses to understand anything you just said.
Strange thing is, Modi is just as close friends with Putin, as Xi is. Also, India was a founding member of BRICS, like as China was. The only significant difference is that China’s policies have led the economy and technology to levels that surpass even America in key areas. Maybe we should learn from them.
Because as of this moment, India is not China yet, plus the US can use India against China, that's why they are treating them differently as of right now.
That's one thing Indians have always surpassed all other Asians. They have earned a reputation of being masters of double-speak and articulation. That's why they are the CEOS and the Chinese are the ones in the labs.
@@ChicagoTurtle1 india is the tool to contain China. CIA handbook states a deliberate attempt to strengthen india to combat china c just as China was strengthened by the usa to combat the Soviet Union.
Yes, and when they graduate these humanities students discovered they get pay less than graduates from a Chinese University. It's 2024 not 2004, even western STEM graduates will struggle to find job in China in this day and age. @@ftu2021
@yeetian2774 in order to obtain PR status, first you need a job that matches your major. so even they are able to get a diploma, it won't help them get work from that field thus immigration bureau could refuse their PR. those that are rich usually returns to china, its the middle classes that tries to stay abroad
I need clarification. The US has yet to get the latest technology. China has the most advanced technologies now. Chinese students going to the US these days are second-tier students. The top students stay in China.
Indeed, students who gain admission to China's top-tier universities typically do not opt for overseas universities, especially during their undergraduate studies.
@@XkMeng Time has changed. YOu get a better job finishing Chinese good university. When you get a degree in the US and go back to China, no one cares anymore. The reality is that Chiense university is doing cutting edge technology. The US university is dull.
STEM is ultimately a tool for executives who understand what _humans_ want, in all our emotional irrational minds. The lack of humanity considerations among technical folks is why they are often horrible as upper-level supervisors, and do poorly in open political competition.
It is not racist to decline teaching mainland Chinese students defense-critical sciences. Taiwanese students, who are also Han Chinese, are welcome to study in the USA. Please stop playing the victim card, it's tiresome.
Im indian living in india,What I like about chinese students is after they completed their studies they go back to their country and make China infrastructure great and make china rich, but most of Indian students come to u.s for study settle there and focusing on becoming rich
That's exactly the threat. The U.S. gets the best K-12 educated students from foreign countries for free and give them undergraduate/graduate education to build the U.S. However, high percentage of Chinese students go back to build China.
That's why the Chinese are in a special risk group, the Chinese are more ideologically processed, the Chinese have a higher mental identity. There will be more spies among the Chinese than among the Indians
That’s something I always wondered about. The Indian, Nepali and South Korean students I know all do their best to stay in the U.S.. They say there’s nothing to go back to.
@@jaredmackey4511 i don't think there is a right ecosystem in india for them to go back to and become successful. not enough opportunities compared to US. you can tell that despite being such a small minority, indians have risen to grab many of the high positions in western organizations, not just companies but also administrative and governmental.
Studying Humanities from a country that has been at war/conflicts for 222 years out of 239 years ..HUMM Has over 800 military bases all over the world Maybe just said your racist makes more sense Side note : The us have only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth 1776
The US is the western worlds war machine Europeans traditionally immigrated to the New world to escape the confines and class restrictions of their countries and for new conquests in the Americas. America really is New Europe and they have let themselves go in terms of social etiquette so they can come across as disingenuous when in actuality they just don’t care what social class you belong too and are very egalitarian. If you visit here you can feel the animosity among the people here they will snap at an instance but at the same time they will run to the aid of a complete stranger if someone needs help.
The US is the western worlds war machine Europeans traditionally immigrated to the New world to escape the confines and class restrictions of their countries and for new conquests in the Americas. America really is New Europe and they have let themselves go in terms of social etiquette so they can come across as disingenuous when in actuality they just don’t care what social class you belong too and are very egalitarian. If you visit here you can feel the animosity among the people here they will snap at an instance but at the same time they will run to the aid of a complete stranger if someone needs help.
If any student want to study Shakespeare, they will go to the UK. If Chinese students want to study Humanities, what's the point of coming to America if they can study Confucius, Mencius at the source? Or even Plato or Aristotle at their birthplace?
America is multicultural with constant input from immigrants worldwide. So studying what humans like in America provides a greater grasp of what humans like globally.
Although there is always new things to learn, assuming a mass migration of students from a 5000 year old civilization coming over to learn humanities and social science from our country less than a few centuries old does not make sense.
I am currently doing my masters thesis on this very subject. Small world. I find that America IS existentially dependent on foreign talent for our STEM industry. China and India produce the plurality of our foreign educated STEM workers and students. If that supply dries up, there are other countries we can look towards, but they don't have the #'s or quality to fill all the shortfall. The US has multiple cultural barriers that impede, or downright prevent, our education system from meeting our own needs. US industry, government, educators and military have all described our shortcomings as critical.
It would be a huge loss for the American scientific community if they truly redirected STEM students from China…and elsewhere. Vast majority of the undergrad mainland China students are studying economics finance art, etc but on the grad level, on the PhD level, those science students are basically working for the universities. The PhD level students are contributing, networking, they’ve already been taught prior to coming over, and are merely guided by their advisors…most don’t attend lectures but seminars where they debate or discuss their own take. So, all those politicians raging on Chinese STEM students don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, and if they continue to expand the discrimination, it will hurt the scientific development of the US in huge ways. They shouldn’t forget that due to networking, even non-Chinese (foreign and American) STEM scholars are paying close attention and feel threaten too by all of the irrational nonsense which can spiral out of hand.
I'm a PhD student in theoretical physics in Canada and I have a MSc in particle theory also from a Canadian university. I can tell you that particle physics nowadays is hardly relevant to national security or the economic/technological competition between the US and China - it is mostly far removed from practical applications, and at least the theoretical knowledge of it is almost entirely publicly available. Quantum computing and AI on the other hand, are likely very relevant.
These politicians can’t tell the difference between wifi and cable are just different connections type used to connect to the internet. I think asking them to know the difference between basic research and applied/practical research may be a bridge too far.
Native-born Americans largely avoid studying STEM because the education and training required is far too long. Assuming no gap time to work or "find yourself", a STEM student spends 4 years as an undergraduate to get the BS, 5-6 years as a graduate student to get the PhD, and anywhere from 3-6 years as a post-doc. The STEM student is 30-34 years old before considered sufficiently trained to be employable by industry or academia. None of the (low) salaries earned as a grad student or post-doc are taxable by the Social Security Administration, which significantly reduces the amount of Social Security pension the STEM student will receive upon retirement. Besides that, the very long education/training period means a STEM student loses many years of prime earning potential, employment, and business opportunities compared to those specializing in other majors. Not surprisingly, most native-born American students choose to "skip STEM".
They avoid the Stems because their public education system is appauling and underfunded. Many of their students can barely readx write or do basic math by the time they graduate high school.
that's almost 30 years from now , till than indians should take all the advantage they can take from america but indians are foolish many of them opt for humanities garbage still 70% of indians are in STEM.
This is not borderline racism and you, Asian or Chinese ethnicity should not sugar coat this. It is pure racism. A type of Chinese exclusion act (technology). In the end, China has to invest in education, produce world class universities to train, educate STEM students for practical applications, basic or application research.
wasn't there a situation where a returning final year student wasn't allow back into the US to complete, which makes me wonder why Chinese student still take their chances if they might be screwed this way. Take first few years of tuition from them, then use some excuse to not let them in for their final graduate study
So happy to see the US straightening the self-deprecating mentality of some Chinese parents and in keeping the best stem students back in China where they can be nurtured in a stronger stem environment and in safety to ensure China's aim of high quality development is sustainable.
It is not only China that is STEM concentric. Many asians countries are STEM concentric. Many parents would want their kids to be for STEM, if only they can afford it.
The humanities and social sciences here will have a strong Western bias, teaching us to see the world from a Western lens. It's hard to discriminate against math. STEM also makes a strong industry in any nation.
@@iamsheep LOL I know China plenty well, but ultimately this isn't even an argument specific to China - STEM at elite levels just takes more (or a specific type of) brain than studying the humanities. Also your point that humanities majors exist in China (I never said there weren't MANY of them) is just plain irrelevant to this video. Those who are humanities majors in China wouldn't find exit opportunities the same way in abroad as STEM grads due to the language barrier, so the top students in those fields would be much less likely to want to study overseas. Fluff majors are just ways for China's rich (and not the brightest) kids to get a diploma these days - America would NOT be getting the cream of the crop of China's humanities majors just sayin.
That's all bullshit. What in the hell does a degree in Humanities do for the betterment and development of China when these students go back home. China will continue to thrive, develop and grow for the betterment of the country and its people. GO CHINA!!!
If Chinese brands want to be more valuable and less disposable to a global customer base, they should study what humans worldwide want, and the single best place to do so is in organically multicultural America.
I was a math graduate student from China back in the 1980s at an university. Let me tell you how things were. Math department is essential for the whole university, engineering, science, business ... however, math was too hard to many. At graduate level, professors must have at least 6 students in order to open a class. Even that was a huge challenge. I filled in that need often, and when I look around, other few in a class were all my chinese friends and occasionally there maybe one American student. So what will happen to the math professor when he couldn't open classes due to lack of math students registering? He'd lose his job, then the essential math department would be gone. No, Indians were not a factor back then. A professor had Russian connections (he's chancellor now) brought here many Russian mathematicians. Chinese students were the pillars. So what happened to me? I didn't stay in math, and got into Insurance financial services industry and became a multimillionaire and retired in early.
I agreed. As an EE grad in the 1980s, while working on a 2nd Master's in computer science, and at the same time as a researcher in Applies Physics where most were from Russia and China; in addition to teach and grade EE classes. As one of the few women engineers and in leadership position in the Silicon Valley in the1990s, I was systematically targeted and ousted by invaders from Asia, mainly from Taiwan and India, who most had never seen a computer when they arrived in America in the 1990s, We had to train them. As the result, I am at the verge of going homeless, and not multimillionaire/billionaire.
@@MonaGee98 These days, there are less and less handouts based on race, religion and nationalities. College, Silicon Valley are all based on competitions. Politician promises on race, nationalities are lies.
In todays world everything is STEM. Comedians, DJs, Athletes are mostly something you can live without. Americans I dont think have realized that fast enough.
Very few Chinese national students could attend a US university and successfully major in humanities or social science, simply because their English language abilities are far too low (reading, writing, speaking, listening) for them to access the content of the lessons, or meaningfully participate in class discussions or activities that typically occur in those subjects. These students major in STEM largely because the English language requirements are low enough to allow them to at least access the lesson content. It doesn't go any deeper than that.
My mother studied in this country way back in the ‘60’s & no she wasn’t a STEM student. Her family from British Hong Kong financed her education & was here on a student visa. She met my father in NYC & married him. My father immigrated to America as a child after WWII with his family to escape Communism in China. According to my mother, her family strongly persuaded her to get a green card whilst studying because they were afraid that China would regain Hong Kong territory from Great Britain. I attended SJU & graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in pre-law. Back in the ‘80’s, most Chinese & Chinese-American undergraduate students were business, pharmacy & accounting majors.
If you ever have the opportunity, tuck your Western biases away and go and visit China to see the country by yourself. Do not believe anything the Western mainstream Media says about China. China is one of the most amazing countries in the world. When Deng Xiaoping came to power in the late 1970s he purged all of those people who were responsible for those crazy policies of the 1960s and the 1950s. All those people were charged, put on trial and sentenced to jail,l. Some of them were even sentenced to death. The China your parents heard about is not the China of today. China is literally a giant Singapore. If you do go, prepare to have your mind blown away at the scope and scale of everything from the, advanced technology, the amazing infrastructure, and how well everything is run and organized there. It's a life changing experience that you will never forget or regret. You will literally think you have traveled to the future. And no I am not a "CCP bot" . I am not even Chinese. I am a black and I am Canadian.
India has ties to Russia. Why ban only Chinese students? If intellectual tech security is a concern, then they should ban both Chinese and Indian students from STEM studies. This is just a case of racism by conservatives. Instead of blocking Chinese STEM students, simply entice them to stay in the US. Their lives would be better than back in China. That would easily stop any intellectual tech transfer to the CCP.
Cuz they don't like chinese or asians unless they are asian women willing to open their legs...they want to abuse asian people and asian people can't do anything about it..
Bcos instead of fixing their own country, which requires actual effort instead of just throwing out a lot of rhetoric, they always just blame an external factor for their own shortcomings. China's just the latest target. The big bad CCP certainly wasn't considered an enemy when American companies were allowed to make use of slave labor in China for cheap goods for American citizens.
Excuse me but racism is a liberal progressive socialist democratic ideology akin to the CCP. US Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell works under the Biden administration who is a Democrat.
Many engineering companies do discriminate Asian-Americans unfortunately. It just makes it worse when some Asian engineers are into the Christian faith as well. Companies who want to hire other engineers are just unreasonable.
Let the Chinese visit our restaurant, but forbid them from ordering anything but mineral water. Do not give our main dishes to them, instead, serve the main dishes to the Indians. But make sure the Chinese pay as much as everyone else who ordered the complete main dish, because they come and sit in our restaurant after all.
It’s hard getting around the fact that from a national security standpoint America isn’t concerned about Iran or Russia overtaking America’s economic and technological dominance in the world. And that educating Chinese students in STEM would create a pipeline of human capital to America’s biggest geopolitical rival. I’ve heard a few years back that if tensions between China and American China is aware and prepared for that but part very skeptical just because of how dependent American universities and colleges are are foreign students money and how discriminatory a policy like this could be depending on how they go about it (I don’t have much faith that the gov would go about it smartly lol).
It might make more sense for the dude to encourage more Chinese students to study humanities rather than STEM by offering scholarships. Many talented Chinese students come from families that cannot financially support their studies in the US any way. Asking students to pursue humanities instead of STEM with their own funds could be selfish, unfair, or lacking goodwill because it may not be a wise investment.
@@mikefranklin7347 Don't worry. Many are already heading back to China. There is a massive brain drain happening in the US and a lot of researchers in key technologies/sciences are going back.
He's not talking about limiting ethnic Chinese in STEM in US universities. He's referring to students from the PRC. Ethnic Chinese from Taiwan, Malaysia, Canada, Singapore, the USA, Vietnam etc would not be affected.
Outright discrimination.. Chinese students are no longer interested in studying in the US 😂Chinese universities rate top 6 out of the top 10 universities worldwide surpassing Harvard and Oxford
It’s always starts this way, it has happened before it will happen again. My cousin from Taiwan, who’s now the Chancellor of CUHK used to be a tenured economics professor at Stanford, got bachelors, masters and phd from UC Berkeley and Stanford by his early 20s. He was forced to take Economics instead of Physics for his PhD and halfway through his masters because of National Security issues as Lawrence Livermore wanted him, so he never worked there and went into Economics which he had great achievements in. A lot of Singapore and China’s macroeconomics policies were derived from his work. He has since given up his US citizenship. He’s not alone in this in the last 2 decades from what I’ve heard
Since there are so many Americans who study the humanities are jobless, we’re trying to convince Chinese students to do the same. Why would the Chinese stop doing what works & do what doesn’t work. The truth is Chinese people are natural builders & entrepreneurs, studying western humanities won’t help them.
I would argue that a lot of theories in computer science originate in the humanities. Philosophy, psychology, neuroscience, sociology, and logic allow you to identify the underlying mechanisms of phenomena, such as the manifestation and the manifested. It is not necessarily the knowledge, but the way of seeing and thinking that you learn the most from the humanities. After all, AI is about categorizing and identifying regularities from complex data.
The lack of human considerations explains why STEM folks stereotypically make for horrible supervisors, and do poorly in open political competition. Often our policies are made and run by those who studied language and ultimately law... which are humanities.
Chinese and Indian are considered Asian in America. So, there isn’t a category for Chinese or Indians to select as race in Universities entry forms. There are only allowed to select “Asian” as their race. So, that guy, Campbell, is just blowing hot air from his sitting muscles. Some places give this guy, Campbell, a taste of the art of Smala Souce.
Why would a foreign student who isn’t planning a career in diplomacy or some kind of intercultural profession, study western humanities instead of *their own culture’s* humanities?? FYI just because foreign students mainly study STEM doesn’t mean they don’t already study humanities. They just don’t go abroad for that, if there is any kind of tertiary education system in their country at all. There is very little relevance for foreign humanities in your own country outside of intercultural roles. I am reasonably well read in Shakespeare from my own interest but it is useful for f all in my own country, I’d never pay money to get a degree on it!
Agree that a clearer classification of what are considered national security sensitive subjects, followed by a consistent due diligence / pre-screening process for all non-US (key: not ethnicity-based) applicants is both more enforceable and non-discriminatory from a policy point of view.
What make Mr. Campbell thinks that the Chinese students to pay big $ just to study HUMANITIES AND SOCIAL SCIENCES subjects or other useless degrees in the U S ? Anyway, the Chinese enrolled in the U S universities have been down dramatically, some of the Chinese scholars and professors even moved back to China since Trump and Biden took office.
US and companies have wanted more students in STEM since I was a kid. Was true when my kids were in school. It is still true today. I am ready to retired. If it is all true, what happened to supply and demand? Shouldn't STEM related jobs be paid a lot more? More to the level of doctors and lawyers.
Most Chinese come to US for one thing and one thing only. That is money! US tech job usually pay more than US liberal art jobs. Chinese liberal art graduates do not do well in US because American can easily fill the liberal art job positions with White Americans. US high tech companies could not find enough of white American job candidates to fill all the positions. That is why US high tech companies have no other choices but to hire Chinese graduates from well known tech focus Universities.
Translation: Come and spend your money on non-strategic courses but don't study STEM subjects that will advance your country. Study what you want not what he wants.
Oh, it has been actively redefined multiple time as per convenient by the west. for instance, apparently Huawei technology posed a 'National security' threat and it got banned in the US. Then the Pentagon and many of their industries couldn't properly operate without Huawei technology, and they asked for 'exception' to use Huawei again in their system. So it is a National security threat if the technology is used by civilians but it is apparently not a threat if it is used by the government and big wealthy corporations.
Language is a big one. They'd have to communicate in ways that local law enforcement understands when intercepted. Plus the overall lack of appeal about most other major powers (especially modern China) in general.
12:25 - The US has become MORE diverse than Canada over the past 30 years. Canada is 72% white versus 2/3rds for the US, without large minority groups like Blacks and Latinos (25% together).
17:30 Being nice would be nice, but that by itself doesn't protect PRC students abroad from the "legal" pressures against them, their families back home, and compatriot classmates to compel cooperation with state-sponsored intelligence programs. Depending on how badly Beijing wants their access to our IP, this could mean upwards of fully sponsoring their studies and postgrad work to minimize the impact of losing access to their Chinese accounts, as well as convincing them to abandon sentiments for those back on the Mainland, for as long as the ruling Party deems their speciality as a critical interest.
The answer is No, they can’t It’s because of Chinese STEM students that Americans can spend $100k/year doing gender studies and African American lineage studies
The Chinese international students just want to study and then settle down in America. They don't have to study STEM. They could study other courses like business and finance, medicine and engineering.
😂 see you are brainwashed! Most Chinese graduates return to China! Have you ever been to China to see how developed and advanced it is ? The US looks like a ghetto compared to China 😂
I am Korean American. How do you know 99% Chinese students are not a threat to US security. If the situation was reversed do you think China will let one American student study STEM in China. Right. This is a national security issue.
China is now ahead of US and all other Western countries in nearly every STEM field, so it's not Washington but Beijing who will benefit from neocons barring Chinese students from studying STEM in US universities. I mean Shakespeare? The Federalist Papers? Give me a break! Even native-born Americans don't study them anymore. By the way, kudos to you two for putting it out there, unlike we older Chinese-Americans who believed in keeping your head down and don't rock the boat, you guys show if we don't fight for our place in America, they'll keep throwing us under the bus. So, you two ROCK ON!
Agreed ! No more bowing to white ppl and their rules based order where they make the rules and orders everyone else around!
Because of geography, people in US can own a big house in a big plot of land whereas China is densely populated. This remains the only thing that attracts Chinese students to remain in US.
According to Justia, the legal website, an Asian inventor is listed on three quarters of patents filed by Qualcomm and two-thirds of the patents filed by Intel and Nvidia. Most of these Asian inventors are Chinese, just by the sheer numbers of them in hardware engineering. The head of Intel's famed Pentium program for many years was Chinese; An Wang built a billion-dollar personal computer company long before Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. People have no idea how important Chinese Americans have been to the computer and tech industry in the US.
Yet we don't know their names like Edison and people think Elon invented tesla...
@@Drownedinblood that's because he's not YT
What about your indians? Where are they?
So THAT explains the infamous FDIV and F00F bugs!
@@SlimJim3082this joey dude is a wumao , he’s yapping about china everywhere in every channel. Nothing to do with india.
The US wants it's cake and to eat it too. They want Chinese and other international students to come to the US and pay 2x tuition but they don't want them to get a degree that is useful in their respective country. The humanities and social studies degrees are very valuable but they are not as valuable if it comes from another country. Why go to the US for a humanities degree when a humanities degree in China is more relevant and useful?
Because a American humanities degree, coming from a multicultural immigrant nation, has more global relevance than one specific to ethnostate China? Might be important to understand what more of the world thinks if Chinese brands want to develop a less substitutable and disposable reputation.
@@doujinfliplmao why tf would a Chinese student want to study an American humanities degree that wouldn't be relevant at all in China over Sciences that are universal? Literally doesn't make any sense."Multicultural immigration nation", is that supposed to mean anything? The world doesn't revolve around America regardless of what you might think
@@doujinflipI spent 16 years in the states from a New England snobby prep school to NYU Stern to Harvard. I have been an entrepreneur in 7 countries, USA, UK, Philippines, Indonesia, China, South Africa and Singapore of which 3 companies went public and the most consumer facing company has 11 million active monthly customers at its peak. I can say at least from my own experiences, an American humanities degree is absolutely worthless in 5 of those 7 countries and imo about half useful in the UK.
As for American multiculturalism, it’s useless because it’s a jack of all trades but master of none. Most African Americans, even those who can trace their roots to South Africa, would have very little cultural similarities to the modern South African. Most born and bred Asian Americans have no clue about the specific nuances of their ancestral country.
Stating China is an ethnostate is the first sign to me that you have no clue how diverse China is, just because the Chinese may look the same to you, doesn’t mean they are the same. For example, Northern Chinese is very different from Southern Chinese, the bulk of what Americans think is Chinese is very specifically South China and even more specifically 2 provinces out of the current 23 provinces, before it was classified under 36 provinces. I speak 4 dialects in those 2 Southern provinces alone and unless everyone is conversing in Mandarin, a Cantonese speaker would not understand a Teochew speaker both of whom now belong to Guangdong province. The American analogy would be a non-American thinking a New Yorker is exactly the same as a Texan because they are both American. There are major common culturally practices but they all do it in their own way regionally, the main difference here is New York and Texas both speak English, while Cantonese and Teochew are practically 2 different languages with the same writing system, kinda like English and German, both use the Alphabet. So yeah good luck selling to the Chinese with an American multiculturalism perspective thinking they are monolithic. Without even taking into account the difference within the Han majority, there are 55 other ethnic groups that are closer culturally to the Turks, Russians, Indians and Arabs than they are to Han. I have so far met only 2 Americans who actually knew Rice isn’t the staple carb in North China and that Americans think all Chinese eat rice as their staple carb is more due to not being able to tell Chinese, Koreans and Japanese apart.
Or in Indonesia where there over 1300 ethnic groups today. Good luck trying to sell them anything with an American multiculturalism perspective because there is less than 1% of those ethnic groups actually in America and most of those are of Chinese ancestry.
Or India, which is even more diverse than China and Indonesia.
As for what I think you mean when you say the world, I think you are referring to 10% of the world’s population, meaning half of EU plus USA plus Canada because far as I know the rest of the world’s population, American multiculturalism is and never was a thing and about as useless.
So as someone who had over 9000 people on payroll, anyone applying for a job with an American humanities degree won’t make it past initial HR pruning unless the applicant is applying for a position in the US or UK office during my tenure. I also instituted standardised test for all applicants across all country offices for non-entry level positions on universal knowledge and localised knowledge, the logic and math portions of those tests would require someone who passed SAT math with at least 700 out of 800 to answer to a passing grade to get to the interview phase of the application while the localised portion would ask questions related to the specific country or state or province, like what’s the difference between Texas BBQ and Carolina’s BBQ or what are the differences of Bicol Adobo to Batangas Adobo.
OP, I think the bigger question is, why would China want to import American’s gender ideology or let their next generation be indoctrinated by those ideas while paying over 100k a year to send their kids to study those subjects when there is 5K years of humanities to study which has shaped not only China but a massive portion of Asia and has influenced even western philosophy like Sun Tzu Art of War which has been a must read in American business schools.
@@WarrenKLiu He's a racist white weeb, you probably just wasted your time trying to explain this to him as he refuses to understand anything you just said.
Strange thing is, Modi is just as close friends with Putin, as Xi is. Also, India was a founding member of BRICS, like as China was. The only significant difference is that China’s policies have led the economy and technology to levels that surpass even America in key areas. Maybe we should learn from them.
Thats bc at this moment india is an air to american, but chinese is the competor.
Because as of this moment, India is not China yet, plus the US can use India against China, that's why they are treating them differently as of right now.
That's one thing Indians have always surpassed all other Asians. They have earned a reputation of being masters of double-speak and articulation. That's why they are the CEOS and the Chinese are the ones in the labs.
You can’t learn from anyone when you believe you’re the best.
@@ChicagoTurtle1 india is the tool to contain China. CIA handbook states a deliberate attempt to strengthen india to combat china c just as China was strengthened by the usa to combat the Soviet Union.
Forget mainland parents - even ABC parents don’t want to pay $75k/yr for their kids to study humanities . 😅
idk about that chef, mainland parents just wants their child to get a degree. we have bunch of them studying in liberal art here in canada
Yes, and when they graduate these humanities students discovered they get pay less than graduates from a Chinese University. It's 2024 not 2004, even western STEM graduates will struggle to find job in China in this day and age. @@ftu2021
@@ftu2021 yeah pretty sure these are NOT the potential talents the US fears studying quantum physics in the first place LMAO
@yeetian2774 in order to obtain PR status, first you need a job that matches your major. so even they are able to get a diploma, it won't help them get work from that field thus immigration bureau could refuse their PR.
those that are rich usually returns to china, its the middle classes that tries to stay abroad
Chinese prefers a new road than a charity check. So real.
I need clarification. The US has yet to get the latest technology. China has the most advanced technologies now. Chinese students going to the US these days are second-tier students. The top students stay in China.
Indeed, students who gain admission to China's top-tier universities typically do not opt for overseas universities, especially during their undergraduate studies.
@@XkMeng Time has changed. YOu get a better job finishing Chinese good university. When you get a degree in the US and go back to China, no one cares anymore. The reality is that Chiense university is doing cutting edge technology. The US university is dull.
As a Chinese, I can say you are full of bullshit
As a Chinese, I can say you are full of bullsh
@@XkMeng Patriots
while US abroad ones are opportunists
A real Asian wouldn't pay $100k per year to study social justice or African American studies
These American jokers
There are Law an business subjects like Economics, Finance and Accounting.
@@valorzinski7423 or taylor swift course
Why don't American student's just studying more STEM? Oh right cuz that's impossible! Best quote ever LMAO
STEM is ultimately a tool for executives who understand what _humans_ want, in all our emotional irrational minds. The lack of humanity considerations among technical folks is why they are often horrible as upper-level supervisors, and do poorly in open political competition.
this is not an issue to tip toe around. this is pure racism
If it is Chinese, then it is not. Chinese is not the same as African American.
It is not racist to decline teaching mainland Chinese students defense-critical sciences. Taiwanese students, who are also Han Chinese, are welcome to study in the USA. Please stop playing the victim card, it's tiresome.
@@jakethunder1447 🤡🤡
@@jakethunder1447This is obviously racism
Taiwanese people who have been brainwashed by the US are clearly no longer Chinese.
@@jakethunder1447 That the definition of racism. What a moron.
Im indian living in india,What I like about chinese students is after they completed their studies they go back to their country and make China infrastructure great and make china rich, but most of Indian students come to u.s for study settle there and focusing on becoming rich
That's exactly the threat. The U.S. gets the best K-12 educated students from foreign countries for free and give them undergraduate/graduate education to build the U.S. However, high percentage of Chinese students go back to build China.
That's why the Chinese are in a special risk group, the Chinese are more ideologically processed, the Chinese have a higher mental identity. There will be more spies among the Chinese than among the Indians
That’s something I always wondered about. The Indian, Nepali and South Korean students I know all do their best to stay in the U.S.. They say there’s nothing to go back to.
@@jaredmackey4511 i don't think there is a right ecosystem in india for them to go back to and become successful. not enough opportunities compared to US. you can tell that despite being such a small minority, indians have risen to grab many of the high positions in western organizations, not just companies but also administrative and governmental.
US should study humanity, world history, geography, social behaviour to prevent wars in the future
"The STEM is the just NBA for Chinese people" LMAO
He means MBA.
@@alejmorano, he meant NBA
Studying Humanities from a country that has been at war/conflicts for 222 years out of 239 years ..HUMM
Has over 800 military bases all over the world
Maybe just said your racist makes more sense
Side note : The us have only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth 1776
The US is the western worlds war machine Europeans traditionally immigrated to the New world to escape the confines and class restrictions of their countries and for new conquests in the Americas. America really is New Europe and they have let themselves go in terms of social etiquette so they can come across as disingenuous when in actuality they just don’t care what social class you belong too and are very egalitarian. If you visit here you can feel the animosity among the people here they will snap at an instance but at the same time they will run to the aid of a complete stranger if someone needs help.
The US is the western worlds war machine Europeans traditionally immigrated to the New world to escape the confines and class restrictions of their countries and for new conquests in the Americas. America really is New Europe and they have let themselves go in terms of social etiquette so they can come across as disingenuous when in actuality they just don’t care what social class you belong too and are very egalitarian. If you visit here you can feel the animosity among the people here they will snap at an instance but at the same time they will run to the aid of a complete stranger if someone needs help.
If any student want to study Shakespeare, they will go to the UK. If Chinese students want to study Humanities, what's the point of coming to America if they can study Confucius, Mencius at the source? Or even Plato or Aristotle at their birthplace?
just buy the textbooks, and cliff notes, and schaum outlines
😅@@cubiczirconiabeard5366
America is multicultural with constant input from immigrants worldwide. So studying what humans like in America provides a greater grasp of what humans like globally.
@@doujinflipthe American narcissism is insane, "grasp of what humans like globally" Yikes
Came to the US to study racial discrimination
I'm going to say looking up the data most Chinese students no longer want to stay here. It's not 2008 anymore.
America now telling what Chinese should or shouldn't study.
And why the heck should people learn Shakespeare from America? Was he American?
LGBT version of Shakespeare, 100% American.
If Chinese want to learn Shakespeare better go to UK. Right?
The politicians who propose such idea obviously failed their humanity study and forget what it is about.
Although there is always new things to learn, assuming a mass migration of students from a 5000 year old civilization coming over to learn humanities and social science from our country less than a few centuries old does not make sense.
they are taking about Shakespeare's.... which is English
@@Jamie-nt3eh 🤣🤣🤣
5000 years stale. Fresher cultures create more relevant institutions.
@@doujinflipChina is ultra fresh thank you very much
@@doujinflip More fresh than your silly wokiness. No country need to learn this.
I am currently doing my masters thesis on this very subject. Small world.
I find that America IS existentially dependent on foreign talent for our STEM industry. China and India produce the plurality of our foreign educated STEM workers and students.
If that supply dries up, there are other countries we can look towards, but they don't have the #'s or quality to fill all the shortfall. The US has multiple cultural barriers that impede, or downright prevent, our education system from meeting our own needs.
US industry, government, educators and military have all described our shortcomings as critical.
More US students are studying gender science now, so they can able to recognize the correct pronouns.
No there arent, keep that right wing bs outta here.
😂
Taylor swift course would be good
太平洋足够大，容得下中美；四大洋这么大，却容不下印度。真的，找犹太人或者华人背锅都错了，其实这个世界现在走向混乱的根源是印度人，印度人在逐渐占领很多国家比如加拿大，印度人在侵蚀很多国家的支柱企业比如美国，印度在把很多国家的资产转移走比如英国、新加坡，印度骗子把英语国家的钱骗走，一切的一切，因为印度人隐藏得很深因为他们说英语，印度人口膨胀完全没有节制，南亚次大陆根本装不下必然扩张；印度缺乏资源而且印度人毁灭环境又必然找新的生存之地；印度破坏美国飞船却把锅甩给中国，让中美人民斗的厉害。我觉得应该让世界各国人民尽快意识到这个问题，希望大家一起行动起来，让世界人民看到本质：世界大混乱是由印度人引发的，美国人找中国是被印度人误导的。
Why the fuk would anyone wanna study the federalist papers?
Brainwash
I did study Anti-federalist papers. Recommended to everyone, Asian students in particular.
@@walterguan5036 Were you in legal studies ? Law School perhaps ?
America's governance and political system is arguably the worst part of America.
We really want and need those tuitions that our colleges depend on, but they just can’t learn anything useful
It would be a huge loss for the American scientific community if they truly redirected STEM students from China…and elsewhere. Vast majority of the undergrad mainland China students are studying economics finance art, etc but on the grad level, on the PhD level, those science students are basically working for the universities. The PhD level students are contributing, networking, they’ve already been taught prior to coming over, and are merely guided by their advisors…most don’t attend lectures but seminars where they debate or discuss their own take.
So, all those politicians raging on Chinese STEM students don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, and if they continue to expand the discrimination, it will hurt the scientific development of the US in huge ways. They shouldn’t forget that due to networking, even non-Chinese (foreign and American) STEM scholars are paying close attention and feel threaten too by all of the irrational nonsense which can spiral out of hand.
It's not CCP (Chinese Communist Party). It's CPC (Communist Party of China). A subtle but important distinction.
I have noticed that US based commentators keep saying 'CCP' even if you correct them. It is very strange ideological posturing from them
Thank you! These fools are a bit ignorant.
They do so on purpose, enticing you to link to "evil" CCCP
@@monkeyking-self-proclaimed7050 This refusal to accept such a small correction - it sums up the whole of their arrogant mindset
@@gauravtejpal8901why the fuck it matters?
I'm a PhD student in theoretical physics in Canada and I have a MSc in particle theory also from a Canadian university. I can tell you that particle physics nowadays is hardly relevant to national security or the economic/technological competition between the US and China - it is mostly far removed from practical applications, and at least the theoretical knowledge of it is almost entirely publicly available. Quantum computing and AI on the other hand, are likely very relevant.
These politicians can’t tell the difference between wifi and cable are just different connections type used to connect to the internet. I think asking them to know the difference between basic research and applied/practical research may be a bridge too far.
@@WarrenKLiuexactly.
Native-born Americans largely avoid studying STEM because the education and training required is far too long. Assuming no gap time to work or "find yourself", a STEM student spends 4 years as an undergraduate to get the BS, 5-6 years as a graduate student to get the PhD, and anywhere from 3-6 years as a post-doc. The STEM student is 30-34 years old before considered sufficiently trained to be employable by industry or academia. None of the (low) salaries earned as a grad student or post-doc are taxable by the Social Security Administration, which significantly reduces the amount of Social Security pension the STEM student will receive upon retirement. Besides that, the very long education/training period means a STEM student loses many years of prime earning potential, employment, and business opportunities compared to those specializing in other majors. Not surprisingly, most native-born American students choose to "skip STEM".
They avoid the Stems because their public education system is appauling and underfunded.
Many of their students can barely readx write or do basic math by the time they graduate high school.
And once India became a threat to US hegemony, India students will be restricted as well.
that's almost 30 years from now , till than indians should take all the advantage they can take from america but indians are foolish many of them opt for humanities garbage still 70% of indians are in STEM.
Absolutely correct
Exactly especially after that Putin- Modi hug 😂 endians might now be targeted as a national security threat 😂
Indians are very delusional
I see dirty street Indian videos all day
@@lindagonzalez5513Indians will never be a threat
Their nerdiness never translates to actual results like the Chinese
So he still wants the Chinese student money and at the same time teach ideology, I mean 'Humanities' for these students to take back to China.
The professors of stem in these universities are all from Asia.
This is not borderline racism and you, Asian or Chinese ethnicity should not sugar coat this. It is pure racism. A type of Chinese exclusion act (technology). In the end, China has to invest in education, produce world class universities to train, educate STEM students for practical applications, basic or application research.
wasn't there a situation where a returning final year student wasn't allow back into the US to complete, which makes me wonder why Chinese student still take their chances if they might be screwed this way. Take first few years of tuition from them, then use some excuse to not let them in for their final graduate study
So happy to see the US straightening the self-deprecating mentality of some Chinese parents and in keeping the best stem students back in China where they can be nurtured in a stronger stem environment and in safety to ensure China's aim of high quality development is sustainable.
It is not only China that is STEM concentric. Many asians countries are STEM concentric. Many parents would want their kids to be for STEM, if only they can afford it.
The humanities and social sciences here will have a strong Western bias, teaching us to see the world from a Western lens. It's hard to discriminate against math. STEM also makes a strong industry in any nation.
Wait what? You guys think there aren't many Chinese people studying humanities...in China??? What are you talking about? LOL
It's the subject that foreign students study because they can get a Chinese scholarship and free money from the Chinese govt just to study nonsense
There are but by and large they are the ones who can’t cut it in STEM fields …
@@njmeteor lol tell me you don’t know anything about China without telling me you don’t know anything about China
@@iamsheep LOL I know China plenty well, but ultimately this isn't even an argument specific to China - STEM at elite levels just takes more (or a specific type of) brain than studying the humanities. Also your point that humanities majors exist in China (I never said there weren't MANY of them) is just plain irrelevant to this video. Those who are humanities majors in China wouldn't find exit opportunities the same way in abroad as STEM grads due to the language barrier, so the top students in those fields would be much less likely to want to study overseas.
Fluff majors are just ways for China's rich (and not the brightest) kids to get a diploma these days - America would NOT be getting the cream of the crop of China's humanities majors just sayin.
That's all bullshit. What in the hell does a degree in Humanities do for the betterment and development of China when these students go back home. China will continue to thrive, develop and grow for the betterment of the country and its people. GO CHINA!!!
If Chinese brands want to be more valuable and less disposable to a global customer base, they should study what humans worldwide want, and the single best place to do so is in organically multicultural America.
I was a math graduate student from China back in the 1980s at an university. Let me tell you how things were. Math department is essential for the whole university, engineering, science, business ... however, math was too hard to many. At graduate level, professors must have at least 6 students in order to open a class. Even that was a huge challenge. I filled in that need often, and when I look around, other few in a class were all my chinese friends and occasionally there maybe one American student. So what will happen to the math professor when he couldn't open classes due to lack of math students registering? He'd lose his job, then the essential math department would be gone. No, Indians were not a factor back then. A professor had Russian connections (he's chancellor now) brought here many Russian mathematicians. Chinese students were the pillars. So what happened to me? I didn't stay in math, and got into Insurance financial services industry and became a multimillionaire and retired in early.
I agreed. As an EE grad in the 1980s, while working on a 2nd Master's in computer science, and at the same time as a researcher in Applies Physics where most were from Russia and China; in addition to teach and grade EE classes.
As one of the few women engineers and in leadership position in the Silicon Valley in the1990s, I was systematically targeted and ousted by invaders from Asia, mainly from Taiwan and India, who most had never seen a computer when they arrived in America in the 1990s, We had to train them. As the result, I am at the verge of going homeless, and not multimillionaire/billionaire.
@@MonaGee98 These days, there are less and less handouts based on race, religion and nationalities. College, Silicon Valley are all based on competitions. Politician promises on race, nationalities are lies.
In todays world everything is STEM. Comedians, DJs, Athletes are mostly something you can live without. Americans I dont think have realized that fast enough.
Glad that most of the Chinese STEMs are going back.
This is prejudice. Sue that punk.
Very few Chinese national students could attend a US university and successfully major in humanities or social science, simply because their English language abilities are far too low (reading, writing, speaking, listening) for them to access the content of the lessons, or meaningfully participate in class discussions or activities that typically occur in those subjects. These students major in STEM largely because the English language requirements are low enough to allow them to at least access the lesson content. It doesn't go any deeper than that.
My mother studied in this country way back in the ‘60’s & no she wasn’t a STEM student. Her family from British Hong Kong financed her education & was here on a student visa. She met my father in NYC & married him. My father immigrated to America as a child after WWII with his family to escape Communism in China. According to my mother, her family strongly persuaded her to get a green card whilst studying because they were afraid that China would regain Hong Kong territory from Great Britain. I attended SJU & graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in pre-law. Back in the ‘80’s, most Chinese & Chinese-American undergraduate students were business, pharmacy & accounting majors.
Hong Kong belongs to China, not the UK. Thank you.
If you ever have the opportunity, tuck your Western biases away and go and visit China to see the country by yourself.
Do not believe anything the Western mainstream Media says about China.
China is one of the most amazing countries in the world.
When Deng Xiaoping came to power in the late 1970s he purged all of those people who were responsible for those crazy policies of the 1960s and the 1950s.
All those people were charged, put on trial and sentenced to jail,l. Some of them were even sentenced to death.
The China your parents heard about is not the China of today.
China is literally a giant Singapore.
If you do go, prepare to have your mind blown away at the scope and scale of everything from the, advanced technology, the amazing infrastructure, and how well everything is run and organized there.
It's a life changing experience that you will never forget or regret.
You will literally think you have traveled to the future.
And no I am not a "CCP bot" . I am not even Chinese.
I am a black and I am Canadian.
chinese parents wont even pay for humanties degree. lol they all about money building and big money potential
Chinese students made Ivy League. 😅 Mainland graduates stemcell students more than rest of the world combined.
India has ties to Russia. Why ban only Chinese students? If intellectual tech security is a concern, then they should ban both Chinese and Indian students from STEM studies. This is just a case of racism by conservatives. Instead of blocking Chinese STEM students, simply entice them to stay in the US. Their lives would be better than back in China. That would easily stop any intellectual tech transfer to the CCP.
Cuz they don't like chinese or asians unless they are asian women willing to open their legs...they want to abuse asian people and asian people can't do anything about it..
Bcos instead of fixing their own country, which requires actual effort instead of just throwing out a lot of rhetoric, they always just blame an external factor for their own shortcomings. China's just the latest target. The big bad CCP certainly wasn't considered an enemy when American companies were allowed to make use of slave labor in China for cheap goods for American citizens.
Excuse me but racism is a liberal progressive socialist democratic ideology akin to the CCP. US Deputy Secretary of State Kurt Campbell works under the Biden administration who is a Democrat.
100% agree. We should ban both.
@@noco7243 Have fun seeing this entire country fall out of any competitive level of tech innovation.
looks like enrollment will drop even harder
Many engineering companies do discriminate Asian-Americans unfortunately. It just makes it worse when some Asian engineers are into the Christian faith as well. Companies who want to hire other engineers are just unreasonable.
Let the Chinese visit our restaurant, but forbid them from ordering anything but mineral water. Do not give our main dishes to them, instead, serve the main dishes to the Indians. But make sure the Chinese pay as much as everyone else who ordered the complete main dish, because they come and sit in our restaurant after all.
If this is not racism, I don't know what it is.
Who wants to pay a hefty tuition to learn crap.
It’s hard getting around the fact that from a national security standpoint America isn’t concerned about Iran or Russia overtaking America’s economic and technological dominance in the world. And that educating Chinese students in STEM would create a pipeline of human capital to America’s biggest geopolitical rival.
I’ve heard a few years back that if tensions between China and American China is aware and prepared for that but part very skeptical just because of how dependent American universities and colleges are are foreign students money and how discriminatory a policy like this could be depending on how they go about it (I don’t have much faith that the gov would go about it smartly lol).
US needs to focus on improving education for its own citizens and not relying on other nations.
Your asking for too much.
Can America survive without Chinese STEM students? No.
Go back to medical school, Andrew.
We survived 200 years without Chinese STEM students. I think we can last without it.
Fung brothers being too fair and apologetic again.
spineless.
In dreams they can. In true reality they absolutely totally cannot. Let the US learn the hard way.
It might make more sense for the dude to encourage more Chinese students to study humanities rather than STEM by offering scholarships. Many talented Chinese students come from families that cannot financially support their studies in the US any way. Asking students to pursue humanities instead of STEM with their own funds could be selfish, unfair, or lacking goodwill because it may not be a wise investment.
Very, very insightful. Thank you.
Marvel ended up owning all of Jack Kirby's creations. Chinese students end up facing glass ceiling after creating inventions in YT america
Maybe they should leave YT America then and benefit their own peoples with their inventions.
@@mikefranklin7347 Don't worry. Many are already heading back to China. There is a massive brain drain happening in the US and a lot of researchers in key technologies/sciences are going back.
@@mikefranklin7347скоро так и будет. Все они уедут в Китай, где предложат больше денег, славы
@@dadlight3783so why haven't they done so already?
@@dadlight3783 I hope you’re right.
Have y’all been demonitized? I’m not seeing ads on Fung Bros podcasts. Hoping they haven’t denied you that bag
He's not talking about limiting ethnic Chinese in STEM in US universities. He's referring to students from the PRC. Ethnic Chinese from Taiwan, Malaysia, Canada, Singapore, the USA, Vietnam etc would not be affected.
well they arent talking about ethnicity, its nationality.
Outright discrimination.. Chinese students are no longer interested in studying in the US 😂Chinese universities rate top 6 out of the top 10 universities worldwide surpassing Harvard and Oxford
Right, it's only the PRC with such aggressive efforts to compel its nationals to cooperate with state-sponsored intelligence programs.
It’s always starts this way, it has happened before it will happen again. My cousin from Taiwan, who’s now the Chancellor of CUHK used to be a tenured economics professor at Stanford, got bachelors, masters and phd from UC Berkeley and Stanford by his early 20s. He was forced to take Economics instead of Physics for his PhD and halfway through his masters because of National Security issues as Lawrence Livermore wanted him, so he never worked there and went into Economics which he had great achievements in. A lot of Singapore and China’s macroeconomics policies were derived from his work. He has since given up his US citizenship. He’s not alone in this in the last 2 decades from what I’ve heard
Bwahaha 😅😅 im dying #US is in panic mode
Love it. Other don’t want to study stem bc they feel inferior. Same as shorter people don’t play basketball. We want to study our strengths ❤
China people nowadays aren't short anymore incase you didn't know
The answer is that's where well paying jobs are.
The US should change how they educate its students. They need to emphasize STEM in the educational process
Since there are so many Americans who study the humanities are jobless, we’re trying to convince Chinese students to do the same. Why would the Chinese stop doing what works & do what doesn’t work. The truth is Chinese people are natural builders & entrepreneurs, studying western humanities won’t help them.
I would argue that a lot of theories in computer science originate in the humanities. Philosophy, psychology, neuroscience, sociology, and logic allow you to identify the underlying mechanisms of phenomena, such as the manifestation and the manifested. It is not necessarily the knowledge, but the way of seeing and thinking that you learn the most from the humanities. After all, AI is about categorizing and identifying regularities from complex data.
100%
The lack of human considerations explains why STEM folks stereotypically make for horrible supervisors, and do poorly in open political competition. Often our policies are made and run by those who studied language and ultimately law... which are humanities.
Well the payer for the course gets to decide what course to study
Good point at 4:45 ... many Chinese students are looking for a way out via study.
Chinese and Indian are considered Asian in America. So, there isn’t a category for Chinese or Indians to select as race in Universities entry forms. There are only allowed to select “Asian” as their race. So, that guy, Campbell, is just blowing hot air from his sitting muscles. Some places give this guy, Campbell, a taste of the art of Smala Souce.
Job application asks you to clarify what type of Hispanic are you? The same can be apply to Asians
Indians are useless
@@stayfree870 Simple tell them you are a “science and physics Asian” and nothing more. 😂😂
@@stayfree870 Tell them you want to take the 5th Amendment on this question. Write “5th Amendment” on the application.
Why would a foreign student who isn’t planning a career in diplomacy or some kind of intercultural profession, study western humanities instead of *their own culture’s* humanities??
FYI just because foreign students mainly study STEM doesn’t mean they don’t already study humanities. They just don’t go abroad for that, if there is any kind of tertiary education system in their country at all. There is very little relevance for foreign humanities in your own country outside of intercultural roles. I am reasonably well read in Shakespeare from my own interest but it is useful for f all in my own country, I’d never pay money to get a degree on it!
Soon, they will tell you who you could marry.
17:40 Someone "Batman slap Robin" this uncle chan
Agree that a clearer classification of what are considered national security sensitive subjects, followed by a consistent due diligence / pre-screening process for all non-US (key: not ethnicity-based) applicants is both more enforceable and non-discriminatory from a policy point of view.
What make Mr. Campbell thinks that the Chinese students to pay big $ just to study HUMANITIES AND SOCIAL SCIENCES subjects or other useless degrees in the U S ? Anyway, the Chinese enrolled in the U S universities have been down dramatically, some of the Chinese scholars and professors even moved back to China since Trump and Biden took office.
What makes he think he could tell people what to study? they paid the tuition themselves lol. The get to choose what their future looks like.
US and companies have wanted more students in STEM since I was a kid. Was true when my kids were in school. It is still true today. I am ready to retired. If it is all true, what happened to supply and demand? Shouldn't STEM related jobs be paid a lot more? More to the level of doctors and lawyers.
Most Chinese come to US for one thing and one thing only. That is money! US tech job usually pay more than US liberal art jobs. Chinese liberal art graduates do not do well in US because American can easily fill the liberal art job positions with White Americans. US high tech companies could not find enough of white American job candidates to fill all the positions. That is why US high tech companies have no other choices but to hire Chinese graduates from well known tech focus Universities.
They reserving STEM to South Asians. You have been replaced.
I expect worse results.
The Chinese Exclusion Act lasted from 1882 to 1943, not "the 1950s."
National origin quotas were still a hard limiting factor until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
Oh it ended?
The next step may be, to ask Chinese students to come to the US to be enrolled in "African Studies" program.
They pay for their education
Translation: Come and spend your money on non-strategic courses but don't study STEM subjects that will advance your country. Study what you want not what he wants.
The chinese students who come to study stem in the US are students who failed their gaokao but still wants to go in stem.
Cause gao kao is like a very competitive video game.
“National security” needs to be redefined. Also leaders and people of power needs to past a sort of intelligence test and be held accountable.
Oh, it has been actively redefined multiple time as per convenient by the west. for instance, apparently Huawei technology posed a 'National security' threat and it got banned in the US. Then the Pentagon and many of their industries couldn't properly operate without Huawei technology, and they asked for 'exception' to use Huawei again in their system. So it is a National security threat if the technology is used by civilians but it is apparently not a threat if it is used by the government and big wealthy corporations.
I think that we shouldn’t keep chinese from studying physics
I bought Smala btw
"I'm 'murikan, I want to keep murika safe" - yup spineless
What stops any non Chinese students including Americans from learning STEM and then selling their knowledge to China or any other country?
Language is a big one. They'd have to communicate in ways that local law enforcement understands when intercepted. Plus the overall lack of appeal about most other major powers (especially modern China) in general.
12:25 - The US has become MORE diverse than Canada over the past 30 years. Canada is 72% white versus 2/3rds for the US, without large minority groups like Blacks and Latinos (25% together).
17:30 Being nice would be nice, but that by itself doesn't protect PRC students abroad from the "legal" pressures against them, their families back home, and compatriot classmates to compel cooperation with state-sponsored intelligence programs.
Depending on how badly Beijing wants their access to our IP, this could mean upwards of fully sponsoring their studies and postgrad work to minimize the impact of losing access to their Chinese accounts, as well as convincing them to abandon sentiments for those back on the Mainland, for as long as the ruling Party deems their speciality as a critical interest.
'Our IP' 😅
Imagine tomorrow if China says, gunpowder was made by us, clocks were made by us, magnets were made by us - so all this is 'our IP' 😂
That is why it is so nice to be a Jaw
Students from China can always change major to STEM after they got accepted by US colleges.
well, they'll just go to UK/Canada/Australia, and also non anglo countries like Japan and Germany
The answer is No, they can’t
It’s because of Chinese STEM students that Americans can spend $100k/year doing gender studies and African American lineage studies
Survive, yes. Thrive, no.
IF I PAYING MY MONEY CNT TEL ME WHAT TO STUDY ,these ppl are gettin ridiculous
You guys are from Washington?
Chinese Universities are better now. They have 10 in the top 20 and Tsinghua is ahead of MIT in certain STEMS.
Yes… surviving and prosperity are two different things
Don't waste your time and money on those Universities!
Immigrants have been the backbone of our country 😊
Just stop sending their kids to US to study. US is broken.
The Chinese international students just want to study and then settle down in America. They don't have to study STEM. They could study other courses like business and finance, medicine and engineering.
😂 see you are brainwashed! Most Chinese graduates return to China! Have you ever been to China to see how developed and advanced it is ? The US looks like a ghetto compared to China 😂
Gosh! Science Technology Engineering Mathematics 🙄
I am Korean American. How do you know 99% Chinese students are not a threat to US security. If the situation was reversed do you think China will let one American student study STEM in China. Right. This is a national security issue.
And national security my ass !