The huge conundrum is basically societies complaining about the influx of Chinese students but at the same time educational institutions needing them to finance their debt levels. Many colleges/universities are actually in serious trouble because admission figures are actually dropping both domestically and internationally.
yes exactly! i’ve talked to a few people who work at universities and many have said that a lot would struggle to stay afloat, revenue wise, without the help of the cash cow know as international students!
@@klaize_ and if the revenue is going down, they will start raising tuition for domestic students or even cut off some grants for domestic students before they cut off pay for university administrators.
I'm Brazilian and I have a Chinese friend living here in Brazil. Once, our group of friends were talking about our misfits during adolescence, chatting about drinking and parting without our parents knowing, these kinda of things. When was our Chinese friend time to talk about her teenage years, she said that the only thing she did as a teenager was study and sleep. She told about the heavy competition, and that the entire country kinda stops during the Gaokao, cause is such an important day for the country. She ended up in a Chinese college, studied languages, felt and love with Portuguese, and now she's married with a Brazilian guy, and don't have any plans to move back to China (Her wedding was beautiful, when I saw her dressed all in red, I though that it makes perfect sense to wear red, the color of love, in a wedding)
I don't know this woman's exact context/reasoning, but red is a traditional lucky color signifying good fortune and is commonly worn during Chinese weddings. Maybe it was her way of adding a touch of Chinese culture to a special moment in her life?
She's really a typical Chinese.I would say for most of us, the first 18 years of our life was only about to study.It's much more competitive than foreigners can imagine.
I have met a Chinese family here in the Philippines and we became kinda cloase since I have been studying Mandarin and really interested in their culture. The son is in the 8th grade studying at an international school. I know a lot of Chinese songs, so one time I asked the son who is his favorite singer or musician. The mother answered for him and said he does not listen to music. I asked why, and the son said he just don’t have time. Same with the mom, she is very invested in their son’s education she also don’t listen to music. I don’t know, many because we Filipinos love to sing. Maybe that’s a norm in China.
From my experience in Europe, most Chinese international students don't integrate with other students. They don't bother learning what's going on in their host country, they're just hooked on wechat, only hangout in Chinese restaurants and stay with each other without ever mixing. Very difficult to approach and exchange with.
hahaha yeah that’s pretty much the same im regard to how they’re viewed here in australia, im lucky enough to be fluent in chinese so i can communicate with them but its a real shame that proper preparation hasn’t been provided for them to have a more positive experience
I mean i am not chinese, i am indian and i cmse to Europe for masters. People say same about us but not to the degree of Chinese immigrants. One insights i can give is lot of european activities are costly, like drinking alternate day is not very feasible, Also i think its question of survival vs living i been living for 5 years here out of which first three spent in studying and paying back loans(i went to private uni) and sending money back to parents. And language/culture barrier, although Indians here speak better english than chinese students generally, local Europeans are not that familiar with Indian accent or Chinese accent when we speak english , you either just go along or like this old french lady said yesterday, i don't understand at all what you saying and then i had to slowly repeat for her to get what i was saying. it can be exhaustive for both
@@oooooooorion my mom suffer from arthritis and my dad just before I moved to Europe has a stroke, so in case if something happens they can quickly use it for hospital
I remember one time I sat a cross a Chinese girl in the library. She got there before me so I told myself I'd know when to finish studying when she leaves. I finished my assignment and had nothing else to do so I left. Only when she saw me pack up did she give herself permission to also leave. Yes it could be a coincidence but I had a feeling it came from her upbringing and being told "be the first to arrive and the last to leave"
I'm a Chinese student studying abroad in the UK. I see a lot of people saying how international students only stick to each other and I thought I'd like to give my own insight as to why. When I first started studying in the UK, I tried to make as many friends as possible, especially with the locals. But slowly you realise that not all locals want to talk to you. And how much micro-racism/aggression you start to face. It starts to wear you down and you slowly just stick to other international students who you feel more comfortable with. And when you are in an unfamiliar country, that comfort and sense of home is definitely much appreciated. It also doesn't help that within the international students, rumours will start to spread about who got hate-crimed recently, which makes you even warier about the local community and isolates the international students even more. This isn't to bash the locals, most people are very nice, but the 1 or 2 bad apples can really lead to a lot of fear-mongering. It's not all bad and gloom tho. I find that while it may be tough to break that wariness of an international student, once you are their friend, you are solid friends forever. I've made a few local UK friends who I'm rooming with, and they are very nice. They invite me to watch plays with them. In turn I also invite them to go stargazing with me and my other friends. And if you want to befriend any international student, I find that showing even the smallest interest in their food goes a long way! And you can get a free meal out of it 🍴😋
One thing I noticed about Chinese international student is the sense of fear and victim mentality that they've got from the nationalistic education and fear-mongering contents from their social media such as the Red Book. Some of the contents on Red Book are ridiculous. They will treat everything as racism (I am not denying there are actual racism), and somehow think that local population does not want to interact with them. But in fact, most of the misunderstandings come from insufficient level of English. You cannot expect people to talk and be friend with you if you can even English.
Can't agree more than that. I am also a Chinese student studying in Singapore. But people still get those micro-racism, like Ching-Chong, small eyes... it's not driving me mad, but it's still annoying. Locals people do accepts us, but they never accept Chinese in their heart.
The education system is popular for a reason, there is more generational knowledge present there than any of us can fathom. If you feel that it is doing a disservice to you or your beliefs, change it.
As a domestic Australian student studying in China, I've first hand faced the unfair requirements on international vs domestic students. For example to get into usyd arts and Laws domestic students need a 99.5 atar (near perfect exam score) while international students barely need an 80 atar - equivalent to 38/45 in the international baccalaureate. The blame on this lies on many western universities that do not treat these international students as people but simply as cash cows that they milk and pay zero attention or resources to.
Small correction - The IB is MUCH harder than the ATAR. A 38/45 requires the same if not more effort than a 99 ATAR. You have IAs, EEs, TOK, and CAS, on top of learning six different subjects. Three of those subjects will be taken at higher level where you'll delve into university-level materal.
I go to art school and there are a lot of international Chinese students here and they all have really interesting artistic visions and are some of the most talented and curious students in my class. They are also very friendly especially if you can speak Chinese. Also, I noticed that when I graduated high school, there was a sudden influx of Chinese international students actually paying a tuition to attend my high school even though I thought it was kind of a shitty school, but it was in a nice area with a lot of Asian Americans, so maybe that is why?
That's pretty interesting - all international students I've met who are in arts don't seem to have the insularity problem nearly as much in my experience.
The funniest part is the fact they don’t even try to learn English when they come; there’s already so many Chinese here that they don’t even need to. I’m a non-Chinese Asian myself and the amount of times Chinese students come up to and try to speak Chinese to me is uncountable.
And if you're a "Western Asian", you can't even act as a bridge. I speak Chinese and English at a native level, and I still interact with western peers more
And that’s because the language requirements are low and this has nothing to do with them unwilling to learn and speak English. Imagine if you are back at 17 with like 3years training in a foreign language, how well do you think you’d do on your own ? Being an Asian yourself you should understand the weight of stigmatisation and why people wants to bend into a group in unfamiliar and difficult situations.
@@jgordon9022tbh with you I kinda find it tragic how Chinese students come here without a single thought about learning English and most of the time they study in English educational program, and here’s another factor the Chinese who DO know how to speak English or never have to learned English again in a foreign country tend to rather play with other foreigners or completely isolate them self from other students
@@MyNamesMegatron It was tragic when Bambi lost his mother, it is whatever when some foreigners wants to stick with their circle. If you ever had to learn a secondary language and had to use it in a foreign environment, you’d understand it is not easy to overcome the social and emotional pressure, especially when you come from a reclusive culture that is dramatically different. If this phenomenon somehow affects your life negatively, you have the right to express it wi to your local government or your political candidates or on your social media, but if it doesn’t just let it go man, why do you find the need to seek things that bothers you ? It’s not like they are everywhere in the suburbs and that you had to deal with them personally.
I live in Canada, and most of the Chinese international students I know went back to China after graduation. Canada's economy is so bad, and with the cost of living crisis, many Chinese students find that they are saving more money in China than in Canada. The Canadian government is also restricting immigration to Canada, so I think it will get harder for those students to get visas.
ahhh yeah even as an australian living here i haven’t heard great things about justin trudeau, word on the street is, the economy is in tatters over there! hope the cost of living is okay for you!
@@untitled795LOL. Op is misinformed, there was a small reduction recently, after a massive increase. There's certainly been no restriction on immigration, overall.
Went to uni where there's a large Chinese international student population. Right after, I moved to Taiwan (I'm not ABC at all). What I observed with "expats" or international students is that people who are not from the country that they live in tend to stick to themselves or with people who are in a similar situation. I made some Chinese friends during my time in uni since I took some Chinese classes at the time and was interested in meeting people from there and I also had some experience going there backpacking twice. I know that stands me out compared to the average person who doesn't know or have any experience with that kind of thing but I was really treated warmly by the students there since I do have some sort of connection with China, even though I'm not ethnically Chinese. After graduating I moved to straight to Taiwan and I witness this phenomenon where the expats/foreigners are put into this one group and then there's the local people. It's a similar dynamic with how Chinese international students are only friends with other Chinese international students, but in reverse. I've seen foreigners in Taiwan pretty must just tend to be with other foreigners. Of course there are some local Taiwanese people that speak English that are in those groups, but I never seen a foreigner that is the only foreigner in a Taiwanese friend group versus a Taiwanese in a foreign friend group. The only difference between those two examples is that at least the international students in China can actually function and express themselves in English in a higher level compared to some foreigners in Taiwan, which is where you see the meme of some foreigner being in an Asia country for 10+ years but still can't speak the language. I think for a lot of people its really easy to say that this group of people don't try to assimilate and that they stay in their own bubble, which is true, but at the same time its easy to forget that that's natural human behavior, which is why if you look at places like New York City the people who are Asian, Puerto Rican, or Italian all live and congregate in their own neighborhoods. Not saying that it's perfectly ok, but its easy to complain that other people aren't "assimilating" or whatever when you aren't in a situation where you're new to a country and don't have connections to it whatsoever.
Oh yeah, of course I think ideally the students don’t want to just hang out in their own social circles, but a part of it is a lack confidence perhaps because of feeling intimidated and not knowing whether or not when they reach out to locals if they will be met in open arms or hostility! Both sides need to communicate with one another better! Thank you for sharing your story and I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to write this!
Studying abroad in a language school in Japan in a classroom 50% filled with Chinese students, it's become hard for me to take them seriously. The Chinese were all the 2nd gen rich kid type who exclusively wore ugly Balenciaga clothes and they REFUSED to integrate. The Asian collectivist mindset problem wasn't an excuse when most other classmates were from other Asian countries, and the teachers were Japanese (even more collectivist than Chinese) and used Japanese teaching methods that seemed to more or less work for everyone except the Chinese. They did NOT pay attention in class, they winged their way through the exams by relying on their ability to read Chinese characters and eventually ended up in advanced language classes despite not being able to form a sentence or understand the discussions everyone else could easily participate in. Notably, Taiwanese had no problem mingling with the non-Chinese students. It was only the mainland Chinese students that refused to socialise even when approached repeatedly. They did. not. try. Neither tried to learn the language of the country they were in, nor mingle with anyone who wasn't Chinese. What's also funny, sometimes they would approach a Korean, thinking they were Chinese too, but realising they'd made a mistake, would never talk to that person again.
it's more of a class thing than race thing, most Asians, particularly poor Asians will assimilate to some degree but international Chinese have no point of assimilating
Don't think that only Chinese do that. And at least they bring money in. I am currently in China and I can tell you, foreigners in China are doing the same thing (EMPLOYED FOREIGNERS). They mostly hanging out with other foreigners, the don't speak Chinese even thought most of them have been living in China for ages, they refuse to assimilate, and on top of that they trash talk about China on every occasion.
As a Hongkonger studying in Guangzhou, I see clear differences in education across China. Many students struggle with critical thinking since most focus on exams rather than projects or discussions. Northern schools, especially in Beijing, create a high-pressure environment that prioritizes test scores and achievements, making students fit into the typical Chinese stereotype. Meanwhile, southern schools, like mine, are more like American high schools with extracurriculars, but we still have a lot of homework for exams, which makes it hard to really develop independent thinking.
The Chinese students in nyc are all rich, hang out with each other exclusively, and when they’re together you can tell there is little imagination/individuality when it comes to their fashion choices - head to toe in black
interesting observation, there’s a lot of international students here in Australia as well who dressed in all black designer clothing, mainly wearing brands like Rick Owens haha
oh yeah for sure!! and that’s the main issue the universities here face, many struggle to keep afloat revenue wise without the international students and thus will lower the acceptance bar for them
@@klaize_but the SUNY schools have the largest abroad programs. Why? They are state subsidized. So the private colleges aren’t paying their fair share and the SUNY and CUNY schools are a bank roll for the state and city. Remember that. It is all a scam. And there’s more Turkish than Chinese.
In Australia where I'm at, they pay like triple the cost per course and need to pay it up front. It's baffling how much they pay and how many chinese students enrol.
The thing with the West is that unless you study a vocational subject like engineering, computer science, or law, the typical early professional experience tends to be bumbling around various smaller organizations in various junior roles, often unrelated to each other, amassing disparate skills on the job. Eventually after several years the person is then able to tie a narrative around those various skills and leverage them to get their first upwardly mobile job. Each person has a highly individualized & unrepeatable professional trajectory that involves a lot of career & company hopping. This is... very much not the case in other parts of the world
CS degree does not prepare people for the job, you work with various different technologies but the job market wants someone who has 2-5 years experience in certain kinds of tech.
Yeah this 😭 your explanation just sounds like previous to the silent gen and silent gen took away generational job growth or y'know my degree mattering for my job.
What worst as an Australian Born Chinese, people think I am oversea student, even those I was born here, raise here, educated here, live here all my life, we not rich but not poor. I still get those Chinese stereotypes or get treated like a international student.
Really good video! I studied and worked at a university with a large Chinese student community. I've often been thinking about the issues this video talks about. The university makes a lot of money from the international tuition fees so they sort of accept that the students will not engage in class discussions or talk to non-Chinese students. I suppose the biggest problem is the English level as so many of the students don't communicate at all in English but are still asked to participate in group work etc which then leads to a lot of anger from other students because they cannot find a way to communicate and feel it's unfair that students who don't speak English are ending up with the same degree because the university has decided not to challenge it due to their financial benefit whilst for example spanish or french students with english as their second language are expected to be absolutely fluent. There were multiple students in my class who would put on live translations of the lectures on their laptops and only use translation softwares to write assignments. I would really love to see a better integration between students as it would be mutually beneficial for all students but there are just so many difficulties along the way.
oh yeah i totally agree!! in one of my subjects at uni it was almost all international students and i ended up needing to be the translator for them and the lecturer HAHA thanks for the comment, glad you found the video interesting!
@zosita24 Even if you learn English really well, the chances are you’re not going to know some of the more complex words, so it makes sense to use translation features. If we used some of these more sophisticated software I think it would benefit home students aswell, since the lecturers don’t stop to make things clear. In group discussions, most of the time nobody wants to contribute, especially when there’s over 200 people in class and most of them don’t give a shit. After studying masters, which was mostly Chinese, I saw a lot more students contribute to class discussion, and even the modules where it was half English half Chinese, there was significantly more class discussion from both groups. It’s all based on the people around you, I’m English and me and others often couldn’t understand our European lecturers either and saw only the same 3 people contribute to class
I went to a school with a massive Chinese population, (>50% in my major) and I gotta say these are some of the most hardworking, down to earth people alive! They do not quit until they become the best. Mad respect.
@@daa5249 It might not necessarily be that. Trump is just a very enigmatic figure in China because hes very showy and has a very big personality. Not really much to latch onto with someone like Biden for an example.
@@daa5249not really, people in China don’t take Donald Trump TOO seriously but he had marketed himself with certain traits that Chinese Internet audiences like
Im not Chinese but Im South Korean in a UK university. What you discuss of international students sticking together is not only a Chinese phenomenon. I see it with my fellow Koreans, Japanese, and even Indians. I feel like what you said about culture is correct and extremely important. Where as asian asians have difficulty in finding local friends. British born Asians dont. In fact, Asian Asians have difficulty in getting along with British Born Asians. I dont know whats up with the culture here and what im doing wrong but all the locals and home student in the UK talk about is love island, whether or not if X town like Slough or Bromley is part of London or not, and alcohol. The thing is if your roomed with the locals, they DO indeed put effort in integrating you. Inviting you out to pubs, club nights, pub golf, and etc... But there seems to be an invisible line of having no similarities that seperates you from them. Soon then, you see them in clubs forming this circle that they exclude you from. They stop inviting you and boom they find a house without you. Moreover, the locals look at you not as a person of equal intelligence but as if im some dumb oppressed person who has no idea what his talking about. They look at me with this weird look. Pairing that from time to time on the streets having people shouting chang ching ling or something... It just sours alot of your efforts of integrating. You just give up. People usually feel this in 2nd year where it feels safer for you to retreat back to your own cultural group who you may have similarities with. After that you have 1 year left swamped with work. Theres no room nor time for you to make new friends. What I recommend my Chinese brotbers and sisters to do is that rather than focusing on making white english friends. Focus on other international friends who r not from the same country. As a South Korean, majority of my friends are Arabs, South East Asians, and Indians.
True, majority of my non Chinese friends are from South Asia, south east Asia, African American or Mexico. The fact people don’t want to mention is how racist white people can be, some racism is not even intentional. It’s how they were raised, I think it’s a white culture to be exclusive. It’s a lot easier to make friends with other minorities groups in USA. And what’s funny is many white people in the comment section act like they are not being exclusive. The arrogance is off the chart.
@@yiqiaowang336 the difference is south-north, med-west, west-east coast. As an Asian-American born and raised in SoCal, for the south west coast for one, there are millions of immigrant Asian and Hispanic students from all ages and backgrounds. Most of the white people I know here are very tolerant, warm, and are very friendly, as long as you open up and do not have the "spy behavior" they will open up as well and treat you like their brother/sister. It isn't mutually exclusive here as long as you are business minded and are willing to stand for yourself
@@yiqiaowang336 I agree, although im a student in the UK it seems that the struggle is the same. The only difference is that it is quite difficult to befriend non-white UK born minorities too like the white ones unlike the USA. Although if you try hard, you can sort of integrate with the home students but you need to have a certain personality. Its far more easier for girls ive noticed because the men wants to sleep with them. They will usually let them in on a pedastool. However I noticed that most of these girls are Indian, rarely East Asians. If it is an East Asian its most likely a Korean person (Likely a Korean girl). My observation is that the condition are strict. The girl has to have almost native proficiency of English, alongside a level of atteactiveness and have a very careless life style of not studying. So your average Chinese international female student who is 5'2, unstyled hair, and round glasses who wears padded clothes everyday cannot integrate. Most people i saw who did integrate are women who end up dating on of the person in the group she assimilated in. If your a boy, the most integration you would get is your flatmate or course mate. I argue that unless you were born in the UK or raised here or be extremely extraverted, you cannot integrate. I think life as an international student in the US is far easier. In regards to racism and arrogance, what your saying is real. I have had several of my Chinese colleagues express frustration at the rampant racism intentional or unintentional. Usually very frequent with older people who are from bygone eras who view East Asians as a monolith. I notice that after saying the dumbest thing or having a very dumb opinion about why asians r X or why asians r Y, then they try to gaslight you into thinking its not rascist at all and how your just too sensitive. Im planning to stay in the UK for 2 more years including my masters and this teacher training im gonna be pursuing. After that im gtfoing out of here. The UK is a hostile place to immigrants including international students. The US, i have to admit, the place u r studying is a much better place. The last thing is that a realization i came to. Back in East Asia we would view eachother as enemies and rivals. We would slug slurs at eachother. But once we are here, we are on the same boat. For them, we are the same and in a way yes. We are two crabs fighting the same struggle. Its important for East Asians to stick together. Although Koreans and Chinese form their own seperate group. Theres a large case of Chinese and Koreans becoming friends once u go to the outskirts of the echo chamber of these groups. We need to let the people back in East Asia know one thing is that in the grander scheme of things, we are the same, and we must cooperate. The way the outside world sees and treat us is scary. We have no one but eachother. Id go as far to say Imperial Japan had a point despite all their crimes against my people. I can only hope the people back in East Asia leave their little box and see the forest than trees. The current state of the world was the same as it is during the 1800's. The difference is the technology.
I'm Japanese and I used to study in America. It was extremely hard to find common things to talk about. My English is pretty good and I've no problems communicating. But I grew up in a culture that doesn't party or drink much. Also, a lot of American classmates looked at me weirdly if I didn't know a celebrity or a tv show. There're a lot of references in conversations that I didn't understand because I wasn't well versed in pop culture. It's far easier to hang out with fellow Asians that enjoy the same past times as I do. They usually don't have an expectation for you to know about certain things as well. Studying was pretty demanding. So hanging out with friends should be a fun time instead of stressing over every interaction.
As helpful as that advice is (even I as a UK native would follow as I too dislike this demographic you describe) it only exacerbates the issue. You are in a foreign country and it's not fair to the indiginous population to isolate yourself. You are a stranger who enters their house, looks down on their interests and culture, only talks with their neighbors instead, and leaves once they have what they came for. This is what you are advocating for, and as good as that is for you, it's not good for the UK, because is makes intergration more difficult for the next person. The US for example already has this foundation as they are a new country based on immegration, so it's much easier. Don't think I don't sympathise with your struggle however, as it sounds awful for you.
Mate, as a former Chinese international student, now a permanent resident of Australia, I can totally relate to the insights you have provided. I can see that you have done extensive research to understand the ongoing issues between international students and Australian Society. Chinese students usually do not integrate well into the society, not because of the lack of intention or willingness to but often the cultural barrier, I speak English fluently but I still have issues making friends with Aussies, I would not blame anyone for this as it could be difficult for people with completely different cultural backgrounds to have a great time together. To all people who are reading this, treat international students in your class just a bit better, you have no idea what they are going through. A friendly greeting may brighten their day and open them up.
I’m a Vietnamese student studying in Canada. The only part in your videos that I don’t see a lot of evidence of is smurfing. However, I agree with the rest of your points. Many of my vietnamese and international students friends suffer from the same problems mentioned.
hmmm no ur right, i probably could find more evidence of smurfing however it’s really hard since the chinese government generally won’t let news outlets talk about it openly as a prevention to stop more people from doing it, and the students doing it here obviously wouldn’t openly talk about it either so it’s kinda hard haha
This was a great video! My boyfriend came here to the US from China, Henan Province, a few years ago for his college education and explained some of this to me. The competitiveness to do the best and then having the stress of your family put so much into your education with working long hours, selling businesses, and property to pay for not just a bachelors but sometimes even beyond that is astounding and shows so much dedication and pressure at the same time. The schools love it since those student pay up front. I met him after he finished his masters but from what he told me, he definitely did not come from money, and did struggle to some extent with language barriers but did very well for himself. Being gay, he definitely wanted out of China. And being an interracial couple, with me being black has been something good for us.Since the concept and race and ethnicity aren't really a thing in some places in China, according to him, navigating topics like this in our relationship and how we both may be viewed, together or separate, has been very insightful for us both :).
I went to UTS in Sydney and international students were both the best and the worst. Some of them were incredibly intelligent and active in their work, others put in no effort and plagerised constantly. You could tell who actually wanted to be there and who was being forced into studying software for the money.
when you have a nation of 1 billion no shit they are gonna have at least a couple million young students who go to the best universities because its about status
Yeah, you’re right, if my country had no decent universities that didn’t require insane entry requirements I’d be looking abroad. That’s the whole reason for this video. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.
As a Chinese international student who took Gaokao in China, change my university twice during my bachelor but eventually found better uni in Europe and finished my bachelor there, and now just graduated my master in Europe (In the continent, not the UK or Ireland), here are something that I observe: First of all, the concept of western education/western universities is too general. The education can be vastly differ from the USA and France or Germany, even though these countries are still western, so using the expression "western university" or "western education" is not a good way to describe it since the education system from each countries are different. Generally speaking European Universities (Excluding the UK and Ireland) are stricter and more difficult than the Universities from the US, Australia and Canada, especailly the bachelors. The evaluation method can also be dramatically different though (You can even encouter some courses where your final grade is sorely determined by the final exam, in exchage if you fail the course or you want to improve you grade you can take the resit or retake the course without extra charges but it is still kinda scary since you can be ejected from the university, such as if you failed a course two or three times. They wouldn't care if you are an international student or not). Secondly, the group isolation can happen but it is not a sorely a "Chinese students thing" between Chinese students, it can be international students from any other countries. Such as German with Germans, French with French, Italian with Italian. In this situation, I think the most important thing is just to have a balance and be open to any communications and stop overthinking the question of "Fit-in or not", more or less it is a lot of people think that there is just two options which is totally wrong. There are also some situations where you cannot fit in to neither Chinese student group nor an international group, in this case it is also needed to think about the best way to counter this problem. Thirdly, the language problem can still exist if you are attending classes in their own local language such as German in Germany/Switzerland/Austria or French in France/Belgium/Switzerland. You can only make yourself better by speaking it not matter what. I mean, joke aside, when you are drunk who cares about your accent? In addition, if you are studying in English, everyone has a distinct accent since everyone is from a different country so why do you care about that. It is way more important to let other people know what's going on. As for the Fuerdai people, I would just be careful. In Continental Europe this is way less common, especially if you are going to study in some countries like Benelux countries, Nordic Countries or Switzerland. The likelihood of encounter a Fuerdai is just small, even though these countries are not cheap, but you still need to be careful though. The mental health issue is the most important part I have to say. This one I think is the only thing that have to be fully addressed, even local or other international students struggles.
hey, thanks so much for clarifying, a big part of this is due to time constraints and I didn’t want to make my video go on for like hours on end so I had to generalise a lot of things. But I appreciate you for writing such an in-depth comment about this because you are totally correct!
UK unis are also considered hard by Canadian standards. It’s really depends on which school and course u enrolled in. But I agree, these are things that should not to be generalized.
You're definitely right on Gaokao being much more difficult than US/etc. I've heard horror stories about studying till you bleed and they come here to US and it's like being back in high school again, especially Math. Chinese students have years of additional math learning vs US students.
A lot of Chinese companies are waking up to the idea that the students who are studious enough to get into their domestic institutions are the best candidates. There’s very much a growing local perception that the kids going overseas are not close to the same grade of worker that their domestic counterparts are. As an Australian I can also say that they are one of the top contributors to our economy.
100% I’ve seen a lot of Chinese companies actually favour more towards students who have graduated from local universities, even if they are ranked to lower overall!
I think it's because international students get used to being heard and in some sense, respected at work. Back home, it's a lot more status conscious and being obedient is seen as better worker trait then knowing how to collaborate and give opinions to management.
The value of an international education is becoming worthless. They're going back and finding they're not as employable as many who stayed in China, Either way international experts agree that the Chinese student market will last for more years at most as the combination of expansion of higher education in China plus demographic decline will eventually see the market stagnate and then go into reverse. Many students also find that blue collar work pays better than white collar jobs. In other words the money spent on an international education in a top institute isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
A lot of these issues just sound like a lack of research before moving, or adequately preparing for the realities of the west... I never have expected to travel to a country for any reason and never expect the culture or society to bend over backwards or cater to me! Many Asian students in my city (particularly Chinese and Indian) seem to really struggle with the concept that you cannot simply live as you did back home. Nor can you expect anyone to ignore their own culture/societal norms to make you comfortable, & you cannot bring the political conflicts.
yes! i totally agree!!! often these people are almost hoaxed by education agencies telling them false information and almost painting a picture of how easy going life is abroad! it’s crazy how often i find myself and other asians friends (not international students) needing to help an international student either with language barriers or resolving some sort of conflict they’ve gotten themselves into by accident
i agree with this so much omg. I dont understand why people want to recreate India outside India. Lot of people of Indian immigrants are also extremely racist and do not want to rent to non-Indians, non-vegetarians and people from lower castes.
@@shaivamuthaiya2015 am south asian and had moved to a city in germany where 70% of the international students at the uni were from india. i noticed there is a big sense of "indian" identity and pride until its time to single out a certain group or socialize( most only talked to their specific ethnic group). was very weird especially as they were not a minority of international students... by far i feel sad that the same indian student horde funneling in&out of the UK completely disrespecting the existing UK Asian subculture(music,film,art), voice,representation that desi community have fought for
@@klaize_ 100%. I hear horror stories at collage about the lies and scams being pushed in Aisian countries... I had multiple classmates who were deported or never made it here thanks to a shady passport/paperwork agency that gave em fake papers. Brutal
I went to a high school with a lot of international students (US). I noticed that most of them would only hang out with eachother and I didn't understand why at first, but over time, I realized that a lot of teachers would pick on them for not understanding cultural norms and not speaking perfect English. I noticed it particularly with the Asian and LatAm students the most.
I have a friend who’s an ABC (American born Chinese). He told me doesn’t matter how fluent he is in Chinese, he still would not fit in with the mainland Chinese groups. Because at the end of the day, he isn’t born in China.
That's absurd, foreigners should learn local language to communicate with natives, not the other way around. It's the best way to destroy native culture. What would the Chinese think if they were forced to learn English to understand foreigners in their homeland? Why do they want to do to other people things that they wouldn't do to themselves? Wouldn't be surprised if their parents didn't teach them that.
One of the main reasons Chinese Parents push their kids so hard, it's not wanting to see their kids succeed, it's wanting to have a rich kid to rely on in their old age. It quite selfish if you really think about it.
@@bzchnt3143 Nah, it's just speculation, by my economist friend, who has a lot of east Asian visa students as clients. He saw "doctor son is the goal", so much that he realized it's not about the son.... it's about the parents.
You're not wrong. Ofc generally speaking not every parent is like 100% selfish, but there is indeed a back thought of "I raised you, so you have to pay it back to me". But the thought is implemented throughout culture, as family and sticking together is a big thing in China. That often leads to entitlement that kids owe parents something. Which is absolutely toxic. Still, there is much more nuance to that topic than what I could write rn (I do in fact hate writing and writing essays).
Well no, if they were looking for retirement they would definitely not be looking to send their children overseas. The Chinese in particular have the 5th highest gross saving as % of gdp in the world (47% of the average Chinese person’s income is saved) , only beaten by Brunei, Singapore, Macao and Suriname (all tiny economies/ Chinese descent). What’s not mentioned here is that the generation that suffered the late stage brunt consequences of Maoist communism are still alive, (my grandpa and grandma), as well as the early turmoil of Deng’s economic reforms (my parents). This is a generation where less than 0.1% (1/1000)of the population could ever even get into a university, of which they were in a time that if you got into university you were guaranteed a job whilst the other 99+% were relegated to traditional farming and other low-skill jobs with no real opportunity. You have to remember China is a Confucian society, so there’s a vastly different mentality of what is owed to parents. Is it not good that you can take care of your parents when they get old? That it isn’t some debt to repaid because one day you’ll wish your own grandchildren have enough money to see you once or twice a year? Have you seen how much new years money is? It’s incredible how much your grandparents will spend just so their grandchildren acknowledge their existence. The older you get, the more you realise them pushing you to do well in school is to prevent you from regretting a future without opportunity
@@yaB0i_Hawkxthe Chinese respect authority far more. Even under a totalitarian state where far lesser crimes can get you incarcerated, their prison population is still extremely low for their population.
Excellent video! As someone who currently studies in an International High School (although it says that it's International, most of the people I meet are just people with Chinese ethnicities and Chinese parents that were birthed in different parts of the world and thus hold different nationalities) in China, I can guarantee that your points are absolutely spot on. International Schools like mine are usually already perceived to be more "free" than local schools and are often pictured as less rigorous, and to be completely honest, that's true. But once ninth grade comes, we receive a humongous influx of transfers from local schools who get to escape the Zhongkao (High school entrance examination) and get an easier route to foreign universities or even domestic universities (since these people would likely be applying through IB/AP/A-level, which receives much less competition in comparison to the Gaokao when applying to the elite domestic universities like those you listed in your video). Anyway, I've noticed that these transfers have absolutely trashy English and other humanities subjects, but they excel in STEM at unthinkable amounts. However, about Chinese schools "rigidly demanding objective answers", I'd say from my personal opinion that this is true to some extent. This is especially obvious in Chinese classes, where it is encouraged to memorize the answers to short answer questions and "critical thinking" questions word for word while all the so-called "analysis" you're doing is just copied directly from a ppt. Just copy the template and insert some adjectives here and there and you usually get high scores (It sounds very simple, but sometimes the objective answers might contradict with your own personal thoughts...)If you stray from the objective answers even a slight bit, teachers will often count you wrong (which has pissed me off at many points), even if you back up your viewpoints with substantial commentary and evidence... It wasn't until the later years of high school that they start telling you it is okay to not write your stuff word for word, but by then this sort of learning habit is already fixated in your mind and has been reinforced so much, it becomes very difficult to break off (which is also why I guess plagiarism rates are somewhat higher in Chinese international students I guess)... I feel like a lot of the ideology differences (regarding gender, religion, politics, etc) differ greatly because of western social media being very restricted here... International Schools are a bit of an exception since a majority of the people I know have and use a vpn, but there's still a great deal of people that don't, and their viewpoints are limited solely to what Chinese social media says. Not saying that either one is better or worse than the other, just that I think having both is really important in shaping the worldviews of Chinese citizens. Idk... maybe more schools should have a class reflecting on contemporary trends or global affairs to help prepare international students fit into foreign environments? It's certainly not something I can decide. Loved the detail and examples you put in your video! Hope you keep it up :))
oh wow i appreciate you for sharing your own experience about this!! i’m glad this video was something you could relate to on a personal level!! thanks again for watching!🙏🏻
I go to an international school in Southeast Asia and I can confirm this is true. There's even a belief among the local school kids that these Chinese kids weren't 'good enough' for local schools, so that's why they go to international schools where things are meant to be 'less challenging' (though this may not be true, as many of them offer the IB program, which is hellish). They're only able to 'escape' the local schools because their parents have money to burn. In my opinion, there's nothing inherently wrong with them attending international schools. They have to get an education somehow. What is a problem, though, is that many of them A) refuse to put effort into their work and/or B) refuse to speak English. I know a few at my school who are truly hard-working or average, which is good for them. But there's still a majority that doesn't put effort into their work, probably because they know they can 'take things easier' than they would in a local school. Heck, when it comes to written tasks (usually in humanities classes), many of them plagiarise their work by using ChatGPT or by translating existing Chinese essays into English and then changing a few words, simply because they don't want to try and/or because of their 'trashy English'. It's clear many of them lack the 'critical thinking' needed for humanities classes, so they resort to STEM subjects where it is not needed. This doesn't make them excel at STEM subjects in my school's case. The refusal to speak English is an even bigger problem. My school's language of instruction is meant to be English, but because these non-English-speaking Chinese kids make up such a huge chunk of the student body, my school doesn't even bother encouraging them to at least try speaking it. This just makes my school environment weirdly segregated. It's like one half of the school can communicate with each other despite their various nationalities, but the other half can't/refuses to communicate with the latter because they're in their own Chinese world. It just makes group work and making friends so frustrating as an English-speaking kid. It also really defeats the point of an international school. Many international schools praise themselves for being a 'diverse community'. But is it really a community after all if half the people in it can't/refuse to communicate with the other half because they do not share a language? I could go on and on about this. I'm just surprised I found a comment about the problem in international schools, so I just had to share my thoughts.
@@alloyadroit4807there’s more or less a selection bias at play, those students you see are usually sent by their parents, typically well off and just want to give their rich often bratty kids a better diploma than they deserve. So growing up spoiled and never had to work for anything ofc they are going to find the path with the least resistance and be even more out of control now that they live without their parents. On the other hand, if we look at Chinese students at Nanyang Girls high school or HwaChong in Singapore for example, they are some of the hardest working, smartest, and personable people I’ve met and usually end up going to top US or Chinese universities. Why the difference? Because they are there on merit based scholarship so ofc these schools are gonna pick the best students in China. The Chinese international student body is definitely not a monolith and I feel a lot of ppl have missed that point.
@@klaize_man you should check out indian medical exam NEET UG , students more than population of many countries give this exam . Crazy level of competition. I am also giving it for 2 years fortunately this year i got a good college . BtW great video 😊
@@BruceWayne-o1b 1 saal pura i mean fully do isko aur kuch nhi krna , extremely focus rho sirf studies pe , agar khi coaching kr rhe ho to friends ko dekh ke choose kro apna circle padhai wala rakho. Aur kabhi kabhi mind fresh kr liya krna but effective study krna tumko hi hai sirf book kholne se kuch nhi hota. Good luck bro hope tumhra exam clear ho jaye 👍👍
I am also a Chinese international student. Most American students, growing up in with at least a certain amount of freedom of expression, feel a lot more comfortable expressing political opinions in public, which is often too much of a luxury of Chinese international students. Sometimes, the Chinese students Association not only provides service to international Chinese students, but also watch us and reports if anyone expresses "problematic political opinions" against China. However, Americans never have similar experience. They often expect us to vehemently bashing our country in public. This is, too put it very lightly, NOT NICE. It isolates Chinese students from their ethnic peers and sometimes put us in danger of being reported to the embassy. Sometimes it leads to us being doxed, harassed, and receiving death threats. Any Americans seeing this, I sincerely suggest, if you REALLY want to know about China, make friends to us first and talk in private. Do not pressure us in class or in public to talk about political issues, especially those related to China.
Even tho i’m in australia, I’m so sorry that your experience as an international student hasn’t been pleasant, there’s never any room for racism and abuse :( i totally agree, communication is key!
100%. I've had to warn some Chinese colleagues to be watchful because while we may not care (we sure bash our own governments freely), they must be careful because we can't protect their families back home from consequences of speaking against the CCP, even if it's told as a joke.
From my experience, westerners (Americans especially) basically expected me to openly bash the government and rant about how it has ruined my life, and how I'm just a poor and sad chinese boy in need of white patronage; you get branded as a government shill if you express anything remotely different from their preconceived social stereotype of a chinese person.
I do believe that cultural differences are underestimated by western students or western people in general, I am guessing because of how dominant western culture appears in western media. I feel like especially on the internet a lot of people in the west will have experienced that a lot of western culture translates into other western culture quite well with the american pop culture being a kind of leitmotiv. I think especially at universities it is disappointing to see how little actual critical thinking is done or even necessary to receive a meaningful degree. Of course actual critical thinking is anything but easy but nowadays it seems universities are predominantly seen as the only option of further education, neglecting the value of apprenticeships and the like. Fully ignoring the fact that through this funneling of people into universities the quality of education has to be lowered inevitably, going as far as just teaching „facts“ and there not actually being any space for real studying of a topic happening in depth. I do still struggle with the argument of students from abroad struggling with a culture and thus closing themselves off to it. I get how important social interaction especially in your early adult years is. Still I cannot understand how a) one decides to go to a foreign country to study (for themselves or their children) without making themselves familiar with that countries culture and actually trying to understand what leads to that countries education or job situation being perceived as better. Or b) how one will actually be elligible to study at a top university but not be able to realize that flaunting the wealth of your parents and spending money you don‘t have is very stupid and is a very good indicator to stay away from these people. I get that being raised in a collectivist society probably means you care more about your peers opinion, but I do not understand how you would not see an issue in that in itself, especially if because of that you feel pressured to take huge financial risk.
I believe this is the reasoning behind the whole affirmative action lawsuit against Harvard by a large amount of Asian applicants. The Asian applicants were complaining that they had gpas of 4.8 and higher but applicants with lower gpas were getting accepted instead of them. They blamed affirmative action for this regardless of the numbers directly denying their claims. Culture, and their complete disregard for the culture of others is the reason why they even felt entitled to a spot. The thing that a lot of immigrants miss is that personality counts a lot in America. Much like the issue of the even playing field in china, when it comes to an ivy league university, everyone is smart. They have trouble defining themselves beyond the books. It's interesting.
I am currently a student at a German university and we do actually have lots of international students, especially from India and China. And in that regard, the cliché is true, most study economics or natural sciences and it’s very divided between local and international students, which is kind of sad. I know that a lot of them actually want to learn German, but they struggle to meet enough Germans to practice in their daily lives. Regarding LGBT: I have actually met several LGBT Chinese people and introducing them to the local scene has been fun! Most of the Chinese students I met have been very polite and even compared to us Germans, who aren’t exactly famous for our extroversion, a bit shy. But once you get to know them, they open up just like everyone else! And yes, as long as you meet people from different cultures and backgrounds, you‘ll definitely need a bit of tolerance for ambiguity. Of course some of my friends believe in things I don’t believe in, and that’s ok. I also believe in things they don’t agree with. We respect our differences and still like each other as people. When I visit other countries, I want to meet people who are open to my differences and don’t dismiss me because I don’t know all the societal rules and conventions yet. So I don‘t quite understand why so many locals at my university don’t make more of an effort.
oh wow, thanks for sharing such insightful story, I really appreciate your comment and I’m glad that my video was able to struck a chord with you on a personal level! Thanks again for watching
I'm from Hong Kong, studied in a boarding school for Gymnasium with a lot of Indian and Chinese/Cantonese students. I was basically harassed on a daily basis due to not knowing Chinese well, but I made a lot of European friends and got my B2 certificate within the 4 month mark. It definitely is divided but from my perspective they do NOT want to mingle with anyone outside their own culture(which I am outside of despite coming from the same country). We also had to have a separate BUILDING for the Indians due to culture, apparently I like your take, but it honestly is hard for many Chinese(and most Germans I met, although my school was considered pretty rural) to accept different cultures and even people from Hong Kong who hate China would rather stick with the Chinese than the Germans. They would also openly talk trash about non Chinese speakers in Chinese, even up to the point where I left
I agree with everything, my cousins have asked me to help them move to Switzerland to get better job and college opportunities (we have top ranking colleges too), but also they don't have the financials to do that. We also don't have the money to help them. It's already hard to even get them visas to come visit us. They've been rejected 3 times already
Switzerland is a scam... The "top" university just pay more money to be high in the ranking, while providing the same or worse teaching then Austrian or German universities
as someone who currently attends an art school in the US with a hugeee chinese population (especially very wealthy ones like you mention) this video was a really informative and crazy watch. im decently close with a guy who's a very wealthy international student (dad high in government, diplomatic passport kinda rich) and even i as an american feel intimidated to hang out with him since he's always spending mass amounts of money, buying new clothes, fancy food, etc etc, and many of them simply come from a different upbringing where that's normal, which can be very odd for middle class americans attending the same classes/university to see and come off as rude or like theyre flexing. incredibly well done video tho, especially the part on social medias. i honestly think the difference between western/chinese social medias makes a huge difference in the acclimation of chinese international students, especially since even if they wanted to some of the apps like wechat wont even let westerners (or those without other friends with the same app) make a profile due to their verification processes.
in all seriousness tho! he probably also really appreciate you being there for him, as from what I understand having interact with international students. They are often very introverted, especially when it comes to speaking another language with locals!
As a Chinese student studying abroad, I never thought about the problem of not socialising with foreign students enough until I watch this video. To me there are three main reasons why I don’t hang out with non-Chinese that much. The first is that I don’t feel confident enough to speak English although I got 7.5 on speaking in IETS. I also feel like there’s a barrier between the others, we grew up in different cultures and I don’t know what they are interested in, I don’t know how to start a conversation, but if they start the conversation I can definitely chat with them. The second is that there are many Chinese students studying abroad, so it feels ‘enough’ just to hang out with them. The third is micro-racism, I’ve been called F***ing Chinese when I was walking, and another lady asked me whether I like to eat human when I said I like eating pig’s fallopian tube. Once I was in Lidl, I walked out with a white man and the machine beeped but the guard only checked me, and when he found out I didn’t steal anything, he didn’t apologize.
Just started a grad program within NYU after having been out of higher learning for 7 years. I was just thinking why this has been the case. I genuinely feel like half of the people I see around NYU buildings are Chinese international students - nothing against it at all, my interactions have always been pleasant - though I definitely have and will likely continue to experience the language and cultural barrier at points. It was wonderful understanding this immigration phenomenon! Your video is incredibly informative, and well cited and researched. Thanks so much, you've got a sub from me too!
@@klaize_ You're so welcome, but thank you especially! I have also been seeing a lot of videos from China Insider with David Zhang (?) on UA-cam, and a lot of the issues he presents*, especially with the current climate within China, makes a bunch of sense in regards to the topic you presented in this video - especially seeing this video. Super multilayered issue, but I once again have to thank you profusely for doing your due diligence in holistically summarizing the phenomenon by providing cultural and historical points leading to it. So well done (research, visual presentation, all of that, easy digestibility of the content)! Keep it trucking, klaize!!!
I did a law degree and there were lots of chinese students on my course. They stuck together and never spoke up in lectures, seminars, work groups etc. The only time I remember one speaking up was when a lecturer was critical of the justice system in China and one of them immediately challenged her on it in front of the whole lecture hall lol
@@TheAdskidids1 It is mainly the Chinese education system, especially now that it features many patriotic elements so many like my cousins who stay in China, are very supportive of the CCP and anti American
There is a huge Asian population on my campus and when I tell you that I rarely see em in social areas. The only time I see them out is when they’re walking to class, getting food and going straight back to their dorms. No extracurricular activities and they only really mingle with other Asians which is understandable…my school is in the Midwest and as an African here…..I get it, but sometimes I really wanna get a chance to talk to em and learn more about their culture and get websites for more clothes cuz they be putting that shit on
I'm from NYC and I'm a bit of an arcade gremlin. Recently a new arcade called "Gatcha" opened up in Flushing, Queens which is generally regarded as the Asian part of Queens. And funny enough I was talking with my arcade going buddies yesterday how easily we can tell who was a Chinese exchange student and who was a Chinese American. The Americans had your usual Asian street clothes with the tracksuit and buckethat while the Chinese exchange students wore expensive designer clothes some where just walking in full tuxedos to the arcade. One of my friends who is Chinese refers to them as those rich kids from Shanghai who come to the City to take advantage of our college's programs then go back to the mainland.
Bruh…gatcha=gambling according to my two gay asf friends. One drinks monster every single fucking day, for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Another idk where the hell is he.
I'm Chinese American, graduated from UC Riverside this year and yea I believe saw a lot of this while I was there. The economics department especially had lots of Chinese international students showing up in designer clothing and exclusively speaking Chinese with each other in class
i went to uni with most of them are Chinese international students 😭 other foreign international students never really like them because most of the time they don't try to interact in english even during group projects. I was put in group projects alot with them, some are trying their best but some don't bother at all and rather stick to their language and talk to other chinese student. They are nice though i talked to most of them but Like what others say they stick to each other only, there's this chinese girl who used to lived in US that's different she's more outgoing than others (they're 90% rich as hell though lmao)
Great ideas that have not been discussed widely. However, I felt that culturally, Asian and Western cultures are so different that even with no language differences, few western students will want to mix with Asians and vice-versa. I'm from Singapore and most expats still keep to their circles, despite no language barrier. We have a lot of Chinese students and expats but as China became wealthy, most Chinese students and expats also keep to their own circles despite there is no language barriers with local Chinese. The truth is that most people dun like to find out about other people of other cultures unless they are interested.
From Singapore too. Went the normal route ig psle then o’s. It may not be as hard as gaokao but some points mentioned in the vid resonates w me. In sg the pressure given by parents are also heavy and after sch we have to attend tuitions to not pass, but mostly to score As. For psle which is taken when you’re 12, is really stressful for your kids as it ‘determines’ your future as when u move in to secondary school there are different pathways (depends on ur psle score) to take and everyone aims ip (express train to take a lvls without taking os) hence the pressure has been instilled mostly before entering primary school (7 yrs old). However, only rich rich kids can only afford to travel overseas and study to avoid o lvls or if u scored badly. For me I have some classmates from china and they’re all really nice. However, pressure is still on in sg. So yeah if I wld, I wld go to the us and study (sg kids learn both Eng n their mother tongue) and have fun and not in this sg education system. However, gg thru my 10 years of education in sg, I don’t have regrets but the pressure is sad :(
I have mixed with many Japanese and south east Asian students, Asian students are welcome in western unis, as left wing as they are, I think it’s that china does not expose their citizens to much western media and on top of that, the sheer population of Chinese students allows them to form Their own communities, which isn’t necessarily bad, but doesn’t help them integrate into english classes and communities.❤️🇨🇳
I was almost struggling to understand what would be so different about Chinese international students but being a Bengali-American I tried to think for a second of being in the shoes of my cousins who are international students abroad in the US and then it clicked in my head, it's exactly the same asian mentally and asian educational style but its probably worse because Bangladesh is pretty proficient in English unlike China. I think this problem is pretty universally an international student issue primarily from asian international students because of the huge amount of population in asia. Bangladesh has statically very insane and impressive population statistics being the mostly densely populated country.
Most Chinese international students do not integrate, at all. I noticed this during my undergrad, noticed it during my masters, now noticing it during my doctorate. Most Chinese international students expect others to accommodate them, or they will actively seek out other Chinese international students to avoid integration while maintain their biases/worldviews instead of challenging them. You can state it's out of fear due to micro-aggressions and racism, which is partially true, however at the same time, many international students have biases against other minorities that reside in the same environment and thus refuse to interact. Of course, I emphasize 'MOST', as realistically, not all behave this way - it's typically the upper class Chinese international students who behave like this (which is most). I have met some very humble and open-minded Chinese international students (easiest example would be my girlfriend). Realistically, most Chinese international students do not care at all about the country they are going to, nor the culture, or the people there. The only thing they care about is the name that will be on their resume, which they can boast when they return to China. They do not care about you, your culture, your language, etc. Hyper example of this would be any Ivy League school. You could argue against me, and my rebuttal would be to download 小红书 . Side note, and personal example, I literally had a Chinese international student complain about not being accepted into a engineering lab for the US military...of course you're not going to be accepted into such a lab, you're not a U.S. citizen, yet he couldn't comprehend such a thing, as if the world was suppose to alter just for him. P.S., I emphasize 'MOST', not 'ALL'. Some genuinely are not like this at all, and want to learn more about where they now reside for school.
They're incredibly PASSIVE after a lifetime under the CCP. Hanging out with a Mainlander, you have to do all the social work. They just mirror you, trying to say appropriate things. It's exhausting.
@@ryana5435 Okay, and that's a fair comment to raise. While I argue it's different, especially because China is a country, and 'Westerners' is not, I will respect your reply. Yet, the video is about Chinese international students, and thus, my comment focused on that.
Also… they paid haha they paid for an education, the school promised an experience. The school pamphlets don’t mention that the experience requires actual effort. Imagine you’re paying an extortionate amount for a steak at a Resteraunt, then the chef tells you that you have to cook it yourself. You’re gonna flip out 🤣 we can talk about expectation of what education looks like too 😀
As a Chinese international student myself, I couldn’t agree more. Some of my friends don’t go to the lecs and tuts but take private tutorials outside campus to help with their homework (oc in Mandarin). I think my parents spent a lot of money to send me here, so if I stayed in my comfort zone speaking Mandarin every day and only making Chinese friends, that would be a waste of money and time.
This was so interesting, thank you! For med school, I went to it which was on the edge of a large Midwestern campus in the US and there were a lot of very wealthy Chinese international students (not in my class, just in general around the campus). There was definitely a divide between them and the locals and it was sad to see. Also, when I heard Old Stories in the background, I thought I had accidentally turned on my music and took like 5 mins to remember where I had heard that melody haha
ahhh i imagine there would be a bit of tension between local students the the international students! and ahhhhh thanks for noticing, made in abyss is my fave anime ahhaha
Interesting situation…sacrificing social life, relationships, fun, and skills for education…but have zero experience in the work force and communication. Be american, great communication, social life, and personality…struggle to compete in school due to poor grades but still have fun along the way. The answer is to strike that balance growing up in the states. Happy to be where i am
100%. There needs to be a balance so that you don’t have an entire generation of people who are essentially, just bookworms. But it’s also important to understand that because of such a dense population over there, competition for jobs are so high and asked everyone feels the need to achieve 110% on every exam as that’s the only way they will be able to get a good paying job!
this is so true and they fail to see that. i’m vietnamese but raised in australia from childhood and it was so embarrassing going to france and having to ask them to speak english.
incredible production value on these vids i didnt even realize its a small channel. good job it looks like the algorithm is finally giving you the recognition you deserve
When I was a graduate student at George Washington University, I met one Chinese student in my major and she was the loveliest person I've ever met. She was more intelligent and yet more open to ideas than even other domestic students. Hell, she was the most engaged to meet local students and meet with them. I still miss her and hope she's doing well. Yushu, if you are reading this, I want to thank you for being a good friend.
Great video and it's brilliant to see the perspective of someone who can mediate between cultures. I used to teach and mark essays at a UK university and my peers would downgrade students if their "English wasn't good enough". I always say that students are in university to learn their subject, not how to write well in English. They were first years as well, so they hadn't had enough time to develop their essay writing skills fully yet. I'm a second language speaker as well so I can empathise. I get it, if their English is so bad they can't get their points across and the marker can't understand their argument it can be hard, but the university is accepting these students, making money out of them and then offering no additional support... Chinese students would also keep to Chinese-only groups and not hang out with other students much, I imagine because of language and culture clashes. Native English speakers can be really judgey about English pronunciation as well. It was sad because Chinese students would often fall into horrible phone scams because they didn't understand the systems, culture, or language enough to react to them...
oh thats super intresting, but that's really sad they would show predjudice like that (assuming they were taking an english class HA) thanks for your kind words and i'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I'd say it depends on the topic studied. If the student studies data science or engineering, it's fine if their English isn't "good enough". If they study law or literature, I'd say English is essential.
I'm Filipino and it's the Chinese whom I have the most friends among other Asians. I feel some gratitude that they are cool with me being invited in their circles as I noticed they don't really try to reach out to other communities or groups.
@@ERRATAS0707 they're my friends since the late 90s when I was still in elementary school, far from the geopolitical tensions our countries are facing now. Even in my 30s I'm still friends with them tbf.
these videos are something you see on a 1 million + sub channel, amazing quality! i watched 2 of your videos so far and they are super professional, entertaining and educational
I remember seeing something like this but instead of Chinese students, its with Indians. I live in North Carolina, mostly in the triangle(its what we call the area of Raleigh, Durham and Cary) and there are so many Indian students in my high school. All of them are studying like crazy, have their inner circle and most of them have rich parents. The only ones that stand out are those that did grow up in America instead of immigrating here. (Had an mixed friend group, participated in stuff) Also I remember getting stereotyped as an “Rich Asian” once while I was in high school. I entered in a classroom during lunch to try and sit down to eat and to get work done. A random group of Indian kids, one of them said, “Oh, we don’t like Asians here, specifically South East Asians so can you leave?” I had a lunch tray, and I was a Chinese American that was born and raised in America. I left and went somewhere else and got my work done.
I know most of the things you're talking about already, but for some reason feel like I'm learning them for the first time watching your videos. Your videos are clear, compelling, very high quality.
I just found your channel tonight, and 10 minutes into the first of your many videos I watched tonight, I immediately subscribed. My absolute best friend of 20 years I’ve been blessed to have in my life is Taiwanese and has told me about many of these things over our years of friendship. Your videos are incredible, very honest, and important to be made. I just wanted to say thank you for so eloquently and thoroughly discussing these ideas, incredibly helpful.
4:36 that is an epic song choice, making me think of Uvo's Requiem while talking about a competition in education in the most populous country to ever exist.
i am so so so glad u picked up on this, that was my exact intention but i wasn’t sure if anyone would realise but i think HxH had amazing song choices in eliciting emotion nevertheless
Great video and I have so much I would like to say, but many folks already covered a majority of it in the comments. One request I have, though it would take a lot of work, would be to add Mandarin subtitles as well. I work with international students in France, having previously done so in the U.S., and I believe this would be extremely useful for all the Chinese students coming in! 🙂
As a teacher in private schools in China, there is also the fact that some of the students in these schools have learning disabities that are unacknowledged, which are compounded by poor language skills.
I was born in China but I was raised and mainly live in Australia, and I did hear that Chinese parents think “dyslexia” is just kids being lazy and ADHD is just “naughty”
@@livori624 Dyslexia is tricky though as it involves parts of the brain not used to process character based writing. I taught a dyslexic student who had no issues writing Chinese but showed many classic indicators of dyslexia. Parents took years to understand what the problem was
exactly. 90% of my class are Chinese and I've seen them use live translate apps to translate everything from lecture notes to assignment briefs. Make you wonder how did many of them smurf their way into the degree when you need to have high IELTS score to be eligible. Even though I'm not Chinese, I speak Chinese. I could tell you that's the only reason we could talk and discuss in group projects. It's useless to talk to them in English.
Because there is nothing in the local culture that can attract them, and they don‘t want to waste time doing these boring things, and the local government maliciously slanders their country.
bruh then why study there when you're don't have an ounce of interest in the country's culture? Just study at your home country then if you're only staying inside your own bubble. Study aboard is more than just going for top-rated university. The multicultural experience is something you don't get at home.
Idk I've been able to make friends with a lot of international students, from China and other Asian countries, pretty easily. People seem hard to approach at first, but you just have to be more forward.
I like the points you made in your video essay, but there are some things I would like to point out. I can only speak about the situation for Taiwanese international students (since I am one), so I have based my observations around that. You spend a lot of time talking about why people want to study abroad, which is true. However, those who are eventually able to come to the US for undergrad are usually from somewhat wealthy families. Tuition for international students in USA is incredibly expensive,so even though many people wish to study here, it is not possible for them. Usually people who can’t afford to study in the US will opt for Australia or Europe, which is less expensive (tho still wealthy by taiwanese standards). Usually undergraduate Taiwanese international students graduate from private high schools like American schools or bilingual schools in Taiwan. They take a different curriculum compared to what the rest of Taiwan takes. I would say the curriculum in public schools is highly catered to the college entrance exam and to prepare students for domestic universities. American and bilingual schools prepare them to go abroad. Despite studying in Taiwan, these international students will still have AP credit going into college. These schools host AP exams and also SAT/ACT exams so their students can take them. Studying abroad in undergrad is not something that is done on a whim, it might be a dream for most to go abroad in undergrad, but not a reality. The public school curriculum does not prepare you for it, and uni in the US for international students can cost $240k over 4 years in undergrad (at a well ranked school without scholarships, etc). The only students who are prepared are the ones whose parents have enough wealth and time to spend on their children. I specifically say this is the case for undergraduates, because the only people who are prepared to be in the US out of high school and have enough money, are of course students with wealthy families, who have chosen specific schools (which are expensive) to send their kid abroad. International Graduate students is when things become different, because a Master’s degree is only 2 years (saves money)and a PHD can be paid (not much, but helps though research funding and grants etc.) These grad students come from domestic universities in Taiwan, and are determined to succeed in the US. For many of them, getting a job in the US after graduating here is their idea of success. Also, why would they study in the US if they did not want to stay afterwards? They could easily get a grad degree in taiwan if they wanted to, and the domestic tuition is way less expensive. These are the students that I feel are much more related to your video essay, they want the degree, and they want to stay, and they also have the pressures you mentioned. A lot of the issues you mentioned that cause people to want to study abroad are also class issues, and I think those issues do not affect the taiwanese international undergrads as much if I am being honest. Many of their parents are business owners or highly educated making a lot of money, or from a generational wealthy family. These undergrads are not worried about making money or getting a job as much (but depends on level of wealth of their family). Some might get a degree here even though they do not have to work a day in their life. Some families have enough wealth to send their kids here for undergrad, but are not able to provide for them for their whole lives. Many people do not understand why many undergrad international students here are wealthy, but it is simply the way the system is set up. the only people who CAN be here are those with money.
Great video. I love how succinct and measured it was. The information presented was comprehensive but not overwhelming. I don't really know any Chinese nationals but am classmates with quite a few 2nd+ generation Chinese Americans. I think this video kind of drives home the fact that my classmates are far more American than Chinese, given their social fluency and understanding of western norms. This video also helps highlight some of the reasons academic success may be so prominent for kids of Chinese or more broadly Asian cultural backgrounds who are pushed to such an extent by their parents who understand education to be a winner takes all system. With three well researched videos of high production quality released at once, I can only assume your goal is to kickstart a UA-cam channel, so good luck.
hey firstly thank you again for watching and your kind words!! i’m so happy you found this interesting and could link this to what you’ve personally seen at school haha, and yeah!! i’m really hoping to laugh the channel successfully haha will definitely be posting more videos on this channel 🥹🤭
Great video, it reflects a lot of my experience with international chinese students I had here in Germany. They often are alone or only with other international students because of the language barrier, its not that they don't know english they just lack the knowledge of communicating. Which also hinders them in class discussions which are quite common in social studies. I also knew a chines guy who was studying german literature, which can be difficult even for german people because of the old way of writing. He was amazing at understanding this complex storys but struggled with everyday conversation.
From my experience in UK (as an Asian), when I first got there I learnt that some just prefer to stick to other locals because they have their 'inside jokes' and what is funny to them may not be for you and vice versa. This may be considered as 'micro-racism' as you can really feel they sometimes they hand out with you because you are 'there' and it would be 'rude' to not ask you out or that's the feeling I am getting. But I don't think I can blame them. It is more fun to hangout with people who understand you then spending time explaining some cultural jokes or slangs to a foreign student. After awhile when my English was improving, beginning to understand some of their 'slangs' met some really nice and patient people I started enjoying my time in UK. Still, I never get that home feeling like I am welcome there. Sure, the people I met are nice and all but when things get heated or competitive the cultural difference starts to show. You are reminded you are an outsider. In general, the people there are nice but not angels and that's fine.
"Culture Shock." As much as I sympathise with the struggle, you came to a culturally distinct and ancient country and it seems like you didn't expect that people would really be different. You are an outsider, and always will be, same as they would be in places that are distinctly their own, such as your home country. But, I am really happy to hear you met some nice people (unlike the dude above me)
@@AlexThipthorpHope you understand that you have soldiers not from your country that have been protecting it for 200 hundred years, and that includes you white bigots
oh yeah for sure!! culturally asians who have grown up in the west have a completely different outlook to the world compared to those who are international students!
As an ABC I had an identity crisis learning how to balance western values with traditional Chinese values. I like to hang with people I can relate with, which usually happen to be other ABCs.
bro all of the 3 vids are bangers but you shouldnt put them out all at once, maybe put a couple days between the uploads to they have a more time to hit and your channel appears more active
I can tell you put so much effort into explaining all of this! Great job! I have spent a lot of time advocating for international students (as one myself) and your video gave me great insight into Chinese students specifically! A lot of these things are very general across a lot of societies and groups of students.
I am an ABC (australian born chinese) and I have definetly experienced a lot of racism from other australians which is kind of crazy considering english is my first language, I am a citizen and I was legit born here. I have experienced like some racism even from teachers and from general members of the public which is actually disgusting. I hate how my country sometimes advertises itself as extremely multicultural yet cannot work towards putting in simple measures on how to educate their citizens not to scream out covid or go back to china when you see a person who just looks different. I want to probably study abroad away in an asian country but I am "too white" to fit into an asian society. Honestly many people like myself feel kind of displaced and like we dont belong. I am planning on trying to like get into a better university abroad once I finish my highschool education but I feel like racism is just such a commonly overlooked issue that many people either glorify or choose to ignore.
In North America too, many assimilated Asian-Americans faced lots of prejudice and racism from both White and Black Americans contrary to their demand they will be accepted if assimilated. Even those Eurasian from mix race Asian and White also faced prejudice, rejection and racism.
Been to china as an exchange student when I was a teenager. Never been to a more racist country other than China. Racism is so cemented in Chinese society (especially Han) that a lot of people didn't even understand the concept of racism.
"My country"? Don't you mean China? A goat birthed in a stable does not make it a horse, it's still a goat, it belongs to the pen. What would you think if waves after waves of Caucasian flock to your country, breed like rabbits and then complain that they don't feel at home? Are you OK with it? I thought not.
I see a bunch of asain students at my college and most of them are great. but i do notice that they all drive expensive cars, like i saw someone driving a european import car that was 300k dollars, and another that left a corvette sat in a parking lot for 4 months straight. Theres one guy that when he walks through doors, he immediately slams the door behind him, no matter how many people are right there, waiting to go out the same door.
I love international students as an educator because you can actually see the cultural difference between a child that was born with everything handfed to them versus ones that worked to get to where they're at. Even as an ABC, it took a lot for me to get over the prejudices taught to me by my elders about Chinese country vs city folks and wave the flag of defeat that, in reality, most of those from the countryside are actually extremely intelligent and have a high will to adapt overseas.
My university here in Finland mostly consists of Chinese and Indian students too. I guess the school has had to cooperate with Chinese universities in order to have enough money to survive or something. It isn't a problem, but I can't sometimes understand the lectures due to the English accent.
You brought up the issue of "not speaking english well" briefly, but imo that's the most root problem. One of the main ways introverted students meet new people (and for all the reasons you describe international students usually are functionally like introverted people) is from group projects (b/c they're mandatory), and group projects are a hassle if you have difficulty communicating with group members (for god's sake even if you do, getting people to actually get stuff done in a timely manner, or at all, is generally a pain), so everyone else is naturally disinclined to work with the international students. Given how significant international student income is to schools, there is next to zero chance they'd place additional requirements on language ability, so I feel like this trend is pretty set to continue.
from my experience working in a group project with international students, I found it fine as we just communicated in Chinese however I have a friend who is a local Student that was in the same class, but in a different group, and I remember him telling me that he really struggled because he almost had to do all of the work as communication was just not enough
@@klaize_ That was almost the rule of thumb when I was in highschool and college. Multiple times I voluntarily did all the work b/c it was such a hassle to coordinate other people. I remember in AP Physics C, we had to write an essay or report of some sort, and I hated just sitting in the library with 3 other people trying to finish it as a group. Seriously we were just sitting around talking about what we should write while one person waited at a keyboard. I hated it so much that I, no joke, offered to just write the report myself at home, and then I did. Think we got a B+.
What a great video, it has actually shaped my perspective on this, I want to be more open to people coming from China to study in Australia It’s given me a new perspective
I'm a Chinese international student in Canada, finished bachelor in Uoft and just started MEng at Western. How I got used to make friends with people of all races and cultures is irrelevant. But what happened was that, I went to one of the first classes of the semester with an Indian friend I just made. There were Chinese asking whether other east asian looking individuals whether they were Chinese, whether they spoke mandarin etc. They skipped me however, seeing me discussing with my Indian friend. Really funny, maybe they think Im CBC or something.
@ruilinpeng 😂I heard western civil engineering in structural discipline is good. Is it hard to get in? My gpa is average. Is there a pre-master program for MEng?
@@youwuyou Bruh, really don't know about civil engineering. Personally, my gpa at Uoft was pretty bad, but I still got the offer. Never heard of pre-master unfortunately.
@@ruilinpeng3204 don't worry, it is very hard to get a good grade in UoT though. A Msc in the civil engineering industry is a game changer. But when I was looking at western MEng and Uottawa MEng program and I found almost all 10 courses are core subjects. This is what a course based master should look like. Good luck with your study. U of Calgary Meng is trash, 4 management courses.
I am not chines, but I was an international student in the US. I was the only student from my country/region in my years there, because my country decided that they will no longer send more students to that particular university for a while (the pause was temporary), so I was one of the few last student to be sent there from my country. I desperately wanted to make local American friends, because I did not want to be one of those isolated international students who only talk to their own people (I couldn't talk to my own people even if I wanted to, cause I was one of the few final students to be sent there. Also, I'm not social in my own country nor do I have many friends in my hometown). when I arrived to the US, I joined clubs in my university and talked to my classmates often in an attempt to make meaningful friendships, but no one was interested in anything more than casual chatting in classrooms. Even in the video game & board game club where I was the only international student surrounded by Americans, I felt slightly out of place. Everyone in that club knew each other, and I was the new person there. After a few meetings with the gaming club (which was actually fun to be honest with you!), I invited them to come to my apartment to resume our game since the university is about to close for the day for some scheduled maintenance. Non of them was interested in coming. I tried going to bars, used meet up apps/websites, and many more other resources to make American friends, but no one was interested. And by "friends" I mean someone you hangout with outside of university, not just an acquaintance you talk to in class, or between shared breaks before a common class. To be fair for those students, I was attending a commuter school located in the middle of a mid/large-sized city where almost all students lived away in the suburb, so there was not much of a campus life there. The campus itself was small relatively speaking. I always assumed that's why students were not interested in making friends, and just wanted to finish their class to they can drive/take the bus back to their home and family/friends. All in all, it was a sad/lonly, and fun experience simultaneously. I spent many days alone not talking to other people, since they all already had their already established friend group. However, I did get the occasional fun time on my own by going to concerts (where I attended a metal band I listened to online for years and finally got to see them in real life!), bars, and attending a few local parades here and there (in addition to other activities). Sure, going alone sucks, but I got to experience many things I would never be able to experience in my hometown. I am even contemplating going back to the US for my PhD (not necessarily the same university) in a few years. Hopefully, my older future self will learn how to make friends there unlike my dumb 20 year old self who couldn't lol.
As someone who lives less than a 10 min car ride from both MIT and Harvard, there's a load of so called "Fuerdai". A lot of the time they're disrespectful as well looking down on people cause of their wealth.
I’m sorry, that’s the case! A lot of the time i find the arrogance, is almost used as a defence mechanism as they don’t understand how to properly communicate and in a sense are just scared
I didn't even realize how large of a Chinese international student population we had at our school until I saw an event held for them. Usually, they disappear into the background and don't interact with the general student body for some reason. Even walking around campus, you'll rarely see them. I also realized why tuition was so high and why the school was so generous with scholarships for everyone when I found out international students pay *full price* and don't qualify for grants and domestic scholarships. The colleges are effectively treating them as money bags.
Language barriers and cultural differences prevent foreign students from approaching US students often. Do you initiate contact with them? You might, but in my experience, few US students do.
@@Terra-v5l I kinda disagree with you on that one. Every time someone come up with something new in a STEM field, it’s not that they think outside of the box, it’s just that they’ve reached a corner of the box no one else has. They are still subjected to the same laws and rules others are subjected to.
Common misconception is that there are no creativity in STEM field but its the opposite. The more creative you are the more desirable for these higher paying jobs.
as an international student, most chinese students go back home after completing their course. the country is getting their money and they're not trying to stay here, what's the problem?
@@theowainwright7406 maybe it's different because I'm in the uk, but 80-90% of internationals here are doing masters which locals barely ever do. is it different in the usa?
One of the worrying sign from the problematic culture in China eroding at the youth, is how acceptable it is in to find "unconventional" means to "achieve" a goal. During the pandemic, speaking to some of the under and post-grad at universities, it seemed alarming me to how many international students were willing to cheat their exam. While I made some money off of it, it is irksome. It demonstrates to me how both China and the West failed to impart something they both raved about, the goal of education. The students, especially internationals, see universities as degree factories and no longer as a place of learning, and acted accordingly. I really cannot blame them looking at the model they employed. Universities pour billions into marketing, massive construction and expansion projects while simultaneously cutting budget for departments and reduce teaching staff. Many institution no longer help students to get internship by cutting down those programs. The long term effect of this on the work force remains to be seen, I just hope it won't come as a nasty surprise.
I’m really curious about how universities will function in a few years time. Maybe like a decade since I have a feeling more stringent regulations will soon be employed as it seems to be quite an issue for many international students and a lot of them are finally realising how bad the experience is
eh. As an "international student" having just finished my degree in the UK at one of the best universities in the world, I've seen way too many instances of cheating and I've been profoundly disappointed with the lack of moral fabric of many people. A lot of those cheating were native uk residents. Probably a lot of chinese too but i was not in those circles. I despise cheating and find it morally abhorrent but I can't control other people's choices. I feel like universities cannot seriously crack down on it because many modules are graded on projects or work done over months(dissertations) so it is much more difficult than for exams as they can't watch over you doing it lol. If you get a friend to write up your entire dissertation how could they ever know. especially if that friend is not in the same department cross checking is basically impossible. Idk, I am fervently anti-cheating but after what i've seen and experienced during my degree I feel a bit hopeless with respect to solving the problem. Regarding the degree factory etc. Imo those are all excuses people with no or weak morals use to justify themselves. Society is not responsible to make you not cheat you have to be honest to yourself.
I go to school with a lot of Chinese students, I think over half of the class. I noticed from day 1 all of them kind of spending time with only other Chinese students and as a result went out of my way to actually interact with them, become friends with them, and introduce them to the other students. It wasn't always successful and I stopped if they seemed uncomfortable but I've had some successes! In turn, they've shown me chinese cultural practices, and we've had a lot of great talks. Shoutout to Mai, Wei, Mengmeng, Jingnan, and Xinyi.
The huge conundrum is basically societies complaining about the influx of Chinese students but at the same time educational institutions needing them to finance their debt levels. Many colleges/universities are actually in serious trouble because admission figures are actually dropping both domestically and internationally.
yes exactly! i’ve talked to a few people who work at universities and many have said that a lot would struggle to stay afloat, revenue wise, without the help of the cash cow know as international students!
@@klaize_ and if the revenue is going down, they will start raising tuition for domestic students or even cut off some grants for domestic students before they cut off pay for university administrators.
Maybe because college is overpriced and doesn't prepare you for a job market unlike what Klaize says they do (they really don't)
Unless you have tuition-free higher education like in some European countries.
When did society complaining Chinese students coming?
I'm Brazilian and I have a Chinese friend living here in Brazil. Once, our group of friends were talking about our misfits during adolescence, chatting about drinking and parting without our parents knowing, these kinda of things. When was our Chinese friend time to talk about her teenage years, she said that the only thing she did as a teenager was study and sleep. She told about the heavy competition, and that the entire country kinda stops during the Gaokao, cause is such an important day for the country. She ended up in a Chinese college, studied languages, felt and love with Portuguese, and now she's married with a Brazilian guy, and don't have any plans to move back to China (Her wedding was beautiful, when I saw her dressed all in red, I though that it makes perfect sense to wear red, the color of love, in a wedding)
I don't know this woman's exact context/reasoning, but red is a traditional lucky color signifying good fortune and is commonly worn during Chinese weddings. Maybe it was her way of adding a touch of Chinese culture to a special moment in her life?
@@TheRamblingSoulcolour of love just seems silly. China red
She's really a typical Chinese.I would say for most of us, the first 18 years of our life was only about to study.It's much more competitive than foreigners can imagine.
@@aidonger42069 Red in weddings was a thing long before the china flag
I have met a Chinese family here in the Philippines and we became kinda cloase since I have been studying Mandarin and really interested in their culture. The son is in the 8th grade studying at an international school. I know a lot of Chinese songs, so one time I asked the son who is his favorite singer or musician. The mother answered for him and said he does not listen to music. I asked why, and the son said he just don’t have time. Same with the mom, she is very invested in their son’s education she also don’t listen to music. I don’t know, many because we Filipinos love to sing. Maybe that’s a norm in China.
From my experience in Europe, most Chinese international students don't integrate with other students. They don't bother learning what's going on in their host country, they're just hooked on wechat, only hangout in Chinese restaurants and stay with each other without ever mixing. Very difficult to approach and exchange with.
hahaha yeah that’s pretty much the same im regard to how they’re viewed here in australia, im lucky enough to be fluent in chinese so i can communicate with them but its a real shame that proper preparation hasn’t been provided for them to have a more positive experience
I mean i am not chinese, i am indian and i cmse to Europe for masters. People say same about us but not to the degree of Chinese immigrants.
One insights i can give is lot of european activities are costly, like drinking alternate day is not very feasible,
Also i think its question of survival vs living i been living for 5 years here out of which first three spent in studying and paying back loans(i went to private uni) and sending money back to parents.
And language/culture barrier, although Indians here speak better english than chinese students generally, local Europeans are not that familiar with Indian accent or Chinese accent when we speak english , you either just go along or like this old french lady said yesterday, i don't understand at all what you saying and then i had to slowly repeat for her to get what i was saying. it can be exhaustive for both
@@rajanlad why do you send your family money?
@@oooooooorion my mom suffer from arthritis and my dad just before I moved to Europe has a stroke, so in case if something happens they can quickly use it for hospital
Right we should shutter the Chinese restaurants so they are forced to integrate. 😂 Do you hear how loony you sound?
I remember one time I sat a cross a Chinese girl in the library. She got there before me so I told myself I'd know when to finish studying when she leaves. I finished my assignment and had nothing else to do so I left. Only when she saw me pack up did she give herself permission to also leave. Yes it could be a coincidence but I had a feeling it came from her upbringing and being told "be the first to arrive and the last to leave"
oh yeah that totally sounds like a culture thing!
thanks for the comment!
Imagine if both of you stayed, watching each other as the signal to leave
she was afraid for her safety
Dude, I think you're overthinking this. She just wanted to leave.
I'm a Chinese student studying abroad in the UK. I see a lot of people saying how international students only stick to each other and I thought I'd like to give my own insight as to why.
When I first started studying in the UK, I tried to make as many friends as possible, especially with the locals. But slowly you realise that not all locals want to talk to you. And how much micro-racism/aggression you start to face. It starts to wear you down and you slowly just stick to other international students who you feel more comfortable with. And when you are in an unfamiliar country, that comfort and sense of home is definitely much appreciated.
It also doesn't help that within the international students, rumours will start to spread about who got hate-crimed recently, which makes you even warier about the local community and isolates the international students even more. This isn't to bash the locals, most people are very nice, but the 1 or 2 bad apples can really lead to a lot of fear-mongering.
It's not all bad and gloom tho. I find that while it may be tough to break that wariness of an international student, once you are their friend, you are solid friends forever. I've made a few local UK friends who I'm rooming with, and they are very nice. They invite me to watch plays with them. In turn I also invite them to go stargazing with me and my other friends. And if you want to befriend any international student, I find that showing even the smallest interest in their food goes a long way! And you can get a free meal out of it 🍴😋
Then leave? Why even bother going to our countries if it makes u uncomfortable? Go study in china
What a beautiful story to share!! You are amazing!! Thank you!!!
One thing I noticed about Chinese international student is the sense of fear and victim mentality that they've got from the nationalistic education and fear-mongering contents from their social media such as the Red Book. Some of the contents on Red Book are ridiculous. They will treat everything as racism (I am not denying there are actual racism), and somehow think that local population does not want to interact with them. But in fact, most of the misunderstandings come from insufficient level of English. You cannot expect people to talk and be friend with you if you can even English.
Can't agree more than that. I am also a Chinese student studying in Singapore. But people still get those micro-racism, like Ching-Chong, small eyes... it's not driving me mad, but it's still annoying. Locals people do accepts us, but they never accept Chinese in their heart.
@@shadow_inkywondering why Chinese Singaporean calling u Ching-Chong 🤣🤣
If the education system is a form of business then it will lose its meaning.
it’s all so corrupt
The education system is popular for a reason, there is more generational knowledge present there than any of us can fathom. If you feel that it is doing a disservice to you or your beliefs, change it.
it already does
WDYM? There is no if, it already is
if it stops being one locals will have no uni to go to very soon
As a domestic Australian student studying in China, I've first hand faced the unfair requirements on international vs domestic students. For example to get into usyd arts and Laws domestic students need a 99.5 atar (near perfect exam score) while international students barely need an 80 atar - equivalent to 38/45 in the international baccalaureate.
The blame on this lies on many western universities that do not treat these international students as people but simply as cash cows that they milk and pay zero attention or resources to.
It’s so corrupt bro it’s insane
and when the students come, the universities don’t treat them with respect either
@@klaize_ it's disgusting and unfair to both domestic and international students
Small correction - The IB is MUCH harder than the ATAR. A 38/45 requires the same if not more effort than a 99 ATAR. You have IAs, EEs, TOK, and CAS, on top of learning six different subjects. Three of those subjects will be taken at higher level where you'll delve into university-level materal.
@@plaguedoc7727 I received a 43/45 in this year's session. It barely converts to a 99.05 ATAR. It's ridiculous
I go to art school and there are a lot of international Chinese students here and they all have really interesting artistic visions and are some of the most talented and curious students in my class. They are also very friendly especially if you can speak Chinese.
Also, I noticed that when I graduated high school, there was a sudden influx of Chinese international students actually paying a tuition to attend my high school even though I thought it was kind of a shitty school, but it was in a nice area with a lot of Asian Americans, so maybe that is why?
That's pretty interesting - all international students I've met who are in arts don't seem to have the insularity problem nearly as much in my experience.
@@caelb9764 Exactly, same goes to the LGBTQ Asian students, btw many art students are indeed LGBTQ people.
The funniest part is the fact they don’t even try to learn English when they come; there’s already so many Chinese here that they don’t even need to. I’m a non-Chinese Asian myself and the amount of times Chinese students come up to and try to speak Chinese to me is uncountable.
And if you're a "Western Asian", you can't even act as a bridge. I speak Chinese and English at a native level, and I still interact with western peers more
And that’s because the language requirements are low and this has nothing to do with them unwilling to learn and speak English.
Imagine if you are back at 17 with like 3years training in a foreign language, how well do you think you’d do on your own ?
Being an Asian yourself you should understand the weight of stigmatisation and why people wants to bend into a group in unfamiliar and difficult situations.
@@jgordon9022tbh with you I kinda find it tragic how Chinese students come here without a single thought about learning English and most of the time they study in English educational program, and here’s another factor the Chinese who DO know how to speak English or never have to learned English again in a foreign country tend to rather play with other foreigners or completely isolate them self from other students
@@MyNamesMegatron It was tragic when Bambi lost his mother, it is whatever when some foreigners wants to stick with their circle.
If you ever had to learn a secondary language and had to use it in a foreign environment, you’d understand it is not easy to overcome the social and emotional pressure, especially when you come from a reclusive culture that is dramatically different.
If this phenomenon somehow affects your life negatively, you have the right to express it wi to your local government or your political candidates or on your social media, but if it doesn’t just let it go man, why do you find the need to seek things that bothers you ? It’s not like they are everywhere in the suburbs and that you had to deal with them personally.
@@jgordon9022 not really my problem it’s just my experience with talking to other Asian international students
I live in Canada, and most of the Chinese international students I know went back to China after graduation. Canada's economy is so bad, and with the cost of living crisis, many Chinese students find that they are saving more money in China than in Canada. The Canadian government is also restricting immigration to Canada, so I think it will get harder for those students to get visas.
ahhh yeah even as an australian living here i haven’t heard great things about justin trudeau, word on the street is, the economy is in tatters over there! hope the cost of living is okay for you!
first decent thing Canada has done in a decade. Bring back our country to our own people.
@@untitled795LOL. Op is misinformed, there was a small reduction recently, after a massive increase.
There's certainly been no restriction on immigration, overall.
@@untitled795how pathetic you are!
Chinese students only replaced by Indian immigrants!
They are 10 times more than Chinese!
Canada don't want CPC students, Canada only want pajeets. Soon white Canadians will be replaced by the brownies and become Bharat land
Went to uni where there's a large Chinese international student population. Right after, I moved to Taiwan (I'm not ABC at all). What I observed with "expats" or international students is that people who are not from the country that they live in tend to stick to themselves or with people who are in a similar situation. I made some Chinese friends during my time in uni since I took some Chinese classes at the time and was interested in meeting people from there and I also had some experience going there backpacking twice. I know that stands me out compared to the average person who doesn't know or have any experience with that kind of thing but I was really treated warmly by the students there since I do have some sort of connection with China, even though I'm not ethnically Chinese.
After graduating I moved to straight to Taiwan and I witness this phenomenon where the expats/foreigners are put into this one group and then there's the local people. It's a similar dynamic with how Chinese international students are only friends with other Chinese international students, but in reverse. I've seen foreigners in Taiwan pretty must just tend to be with other foreigners. Of course there are some local Taiwanese people that speak English that are in those groups, but I never seen a foreigner that is the only foreigner in a Taiwanese friend group versus a Taiwanese in a foreign friend group. The only difference between those two examples is that at least the international students in China can actually function and express themselves in English in a higher level compared to some foreigners in Taiwan, which is where you see the meme of some foreigner being in an Asia country for 10+ years but still can't speak the language. I think for a lot of people its really easy to say that this group of people don't try to assimilate and that they stay in their own bubble, which is true, but at the same time its easy to forget that that's natural human behavior, which is why if you look at places like New York City the people who are Asian, Puerto Rican, or Italian all live and congregate in their own neighborhoods. Not saying that it's perfectly ok, but its easy to complain that other people aren't "assimilating" or whatever when you aren't in a situation where you're new to a country and don't have connections to it whatsoever.
Oh yeah, of course I think ideally the students don’t want to just hang out in their own social circles, but a part of it is a lack confidence perhaps because of feeling intimidated and not knowing whether or not when they reach out to locals if they will be met in open arms or hostility! Both sides need to communicate with one another better!
Thank you for sharing your story and I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to write this!
Studying abroad in a language school in Japan in a classroom 50% filled with Chinese students, it's become hard for me to take them seriously. The Chinese were all the 2nd gen rich kid type who exclusively wore ugly Balenciaga clothes and they REFUSED to integrate. The Asian collectivist mindset problem wasn't an excuse when most other classmates were from other Asian countries, and the teachers were Japanese (even more collectivist than Chinese) and used Japanese teaching methods that seemed to more or less work for everyone except the Chinese.
They did NOT pay attention in class, they winged their way through the exams by relying on their ability to read Chinese characters and eventually ended up in advanced language classes despite not being able to form a sentence or understand the discussions everyone else could easily participate in.
Notably, Taiwanese had no problem mingling with the non-Chinese students. It was only the mainland Chinese students that refused to socialise even when approached repeatedly. They did. not. try. Neither tried to learn the language of the country they were in, nor mingle with anyone who wasn't Chinese. What's also funny, sometimes they would approach a Korean, thinking they were Chinese too, but realising they'd made a mistake, would never talk to that person again.
That last sentence 😂😂😂😂
yeah uh they arent the rich ones.
it's more of a class thing than race thing, most Asians, particularly poor Asians will assimilate to some degree but international Chinese have no point of assimilating
Don't think that only Chinese do that. And at least they bring money in. I am currently in China and I can tell you, foreigners in China are doing the same thing (EMPLOYED FOREIGNERS). They mostly hanging out with other foreigners, the don't speak Chinese even thought most of them have been living in China for ages, they refuse to assimilate, and on top of that they trash talk about China on every occasion.
are you jealous?
As a Hongkonger studying in Guangzhou, I see clear differences in education across China. Many students struggle with critical thinking since most focus on exams rather than projects or discussions. Northern schools, especially in Beijing, create a high-pressure environment that prioritizes test scores and achievements, making students fit into the typical Chinese stereotype. Meanwhile, southern schools, like mine, are more like American high schools with extracurriculars, but we still have a lot of homework for exams, which makes it hard to really develop independent thinking.
아마도 독립적인 사고를 개발하지 못 하게 하는 게 공산당의 의도가 아닌가 합니다. 중국인들이 민주화를 이루어 훌륭한 문화를 건설하길 바란다.
Beijing's education is loose enough, take a look at our Shandong🤣
@@엄태원-k3j that's not going to happen.
@@엄태원-k3j Let's take a look at that Korean space station before we judge yeah.
The Chinese students in nyc are all rich, hang out with each other exclusively, and when they’re together you can tell there is little imagination/individuality when it comes to their fashion choices - head to toe in black
interesting observation, there’s a lot of international students here in Australia as well who dressed in all black designer clothing, mainly wearing brands like Rick Owens haha
my interactions with the nyc internationals were only possible via American born Chinese friends being a sort of bridge between us
why would international chinese want to interact with Americans that don't further their connections or whatever?
@@klaize_were you bullied by Chinese students?
black is a very beautiful color.
Have you looked into out of state students pay twice as much than an in state student? The universities make bank on foreign students
oh yeah for sure!! and that’s the main issue the universities here face, many struggle to keep afloat revenue wise without the international students and thus will lower the acceptance bar for them
@@klaize_but the SUNY schools have the largest abroad programs. Why? They are state subsidized. So the private colleges aren’t paying their fair share and the SUNY and CUNY schools are a bank roll for the state and city. Remember that. It is all a scam. And there’s more Turkish than Chinese.
Not a thing in most countries x
In Australia where I'm at, they pay like triple the cost per course and need to pay it up front. It's baffling how much they pay and how many chinese students enrol.
The thing with the West is that unless you study a vocational subject like engineering, computer science, or law, the typical early professional experience tends to be bumbling around various smaller organizations in various junior roles, often unrelated to each other, amassing disparate skills on the job. Eventually after several years the person is then able to tie a narrative around those various skills and leverage them to get their first upwardly mobile job. Each person has a highly individualized & unrepeatable professional trajectory that involves a lot of career & company hopping. This is... very much not the case in other parts of the world
oh yes, I totally agree. Thanks so much for such insightful comment!
Really good observation of the current job and experience of people in the west!
CS degree does not prepare people for the job, you work with various different technologies but the job market wants someone who has 2-5 years experience in certain kinds of tech.
Yeah this 😭 your explanation just sounds like previous to the silent gen and silent gen took away generational job growth or y'know my degree mattering for my job.
What worst as an Australian Born Chinese, people think I am oversea student, even those I was born here, raise here, educated here, live here all my life, we not rich but not poor. I still get those Chinese stereotypes or get treated like a international student.
ahhh i feel u bro, same here haha
Your grammar..... Are you sure you're aussie born?
No way your English would be this terrible if ur Aussie. Let me guess, another white worshipping , chinglish speaking Hong Konger posing as a local .
@@sleepyearththat’s kind of rude, plenty of native born people have bad grammar and spelling
Yeah no shit, you are chinese
Really good video! I studied and worked at a university with a large Chinese student community. I've often been thinking about the issues this video talks about. The university makes a lot of money from the international tuition fees so they sort of accept that the students will not engage in class discussions or talk to non-Chinese students. I suppose the biggest problem is the English level as so many of the students don't communicate at all in English but are still asked to participate in group work etc which then leads to a lot of anger from other students because they cannot find a way to communicate and feel it's unfair that students who don't speak English are ending up with the same degree because the university has decided not to challenge it due to their financial benefit whilst for example spanish or french students with english as their second language are expected to be absolutely fluent. There were multiple students in my class who would put on live translations of the lectures on their laptops and only use translation softwares to write assignments. I would really love to see a better integration between students as it would be mutually beneficial for all students but there are just so many difficulties along the way.
oh yeah i totally agree!! in one of my subjects at uni it was almost all international students and i ended up needing to be the translator for them and the lecturer HAHA thanks for the comment, glad you found the video interesting!
@@denispanchenko623Very low cutoff scores required on those exams
@@8qk67acq5 crazy
@@denispanchenko623 Passing a test is not the same as speaking fluently, as many who've learned/studied a second language can attest to.
@zosita24 Even if you learn English really well, the chances are you’re not going to know some of the more complex words, so it makes sense to use translation features. If we used some of these more sophisticated software I think it would benefit home students aswell, since the lecturers don’t stop to make things clear. In group discussions, most of the time nobody wants to contribute, especially when there’s over 200 people in class and most of them don’t give a shit. After studying masters, which was mostly Chinese, I saw a lot more students contribute to class discussion, and even the modules where it was half English half Chinese, there was significantly more class discussion from both groups. It’s all based on the people around you, I’m English and me and others often couldn’t understand our European lecturers either and saw only the same 3 people contribute to class
I went to a school with a massive Chinese population, (>50% in my major) and I gotta say these are some of the most hardworking, down to earth people alive! They do not quit until they become the best. Mad respect.
i, on behalf of the chinese community appreciate this comment 🙏🏻🤭
when everybody is the best, nobody is the best
@@klaize_wkklelkeeekwwkwwkwķwkoolowaaaaap😂❤i😂 wiwekwiee I don’t idon’t know how 😂😂 ke😅 rI you 😮ep
@@klaize_ they are the biggest cheaters
what? bro they sit in the back and cheat. barely speak English. stop the cap.
I lived with three Chinese exchange students. One had a grandpa who was a retired general in the CCP. The kid loved Donald trump.
Can't blame him. The kid saw communism and government control first hand.
@@daa5249 It might not necessarily be that. Trump is just a very enigmatic figure in China because hes very showy and has a very big personality. Not really much to latch onto with someone like Biden for an example.
@@daa5249he likes Donald trump because he’s a conservative patriarchal man that shits on LGBTQ and women lmao, not because he dislikes communism
@@daa5249not really, people in China don’t take Donald Trump TOO seriously but he had marketed himself with certain traits that Chinese Internet audiences like
Im not Chinese but Im South Korean in a UK university. What you discuss of international students sticking together is not only a Chinese phenomenon. I see it with my fellow Koreans, Japanese, and even Indians. I feel like what you said about culture is correct and extremely important. Where as asian asians have difficulty in finding local friends. British born Asians dont. In fact, Asian Asians have difficulty in getting along with British Born Asians.
I dont know whats up with the culture here and what im doing wrong but all the locals and home student in the UK talk about is love island, whether or not if X town like Slough or Bromley is part of London or not, and alcohol.
The thing is if your roomed with the locals, they DO indeed put effort in integrating you. Inviting you out to pubs, club nights, pub golf, and etc... But there seems to be an invisible line of having no similarities that seperates you from them. Soon then, you see them in clubs forming this circle that they exclude you from. They stop inviting you and boom they find a house without you. Moreover, the locals look at you not as a person of equal intelligence but as if im some dumb oppressed person who has no idea what his talking about. They look at me with this weird look. Pairing that from time to time on the streets having people shouting chang ching ling or something... It just sours alot of your efforts of integrating. You just give up.
People usually feel this in 2nd year where it feels safer for you to retreat back to your own cultural group who you may have similarities with. After that you have 1 year left swamped with work. Theres no room nor time for you to make new friends.
What I recommend my Chinese brotbers and sisters to do is that rather than focusing on making white english friends. Focus on other international friends who r not from the same country. As a South Korean, majority of my friends are Arabs, South East Asians, and Indians.
True, majority of my non Chinese friends are from South Asia, south east Asia, African American or Mexico. The fact people don’t want to mention is how racist white people can be, some racism is not even intentional. It’s how they were raised, I think it’s a white culture to be exclusive. It’s a lot easier to make friends with other minorities groups in USA.
And what’s funny is many white people in the comment section act like they are not being exclusive. The arrogance is off the chart.
@@yiqiaowang336 the difference is south-north, med-west, west-east coast. As an Asian-American born and raised in SoCal, for the south west coast for one, there are millions of immigrant Asian and Hispanic students from all ages and backgrounds. Most of the white people I know here are very tolerant, warm, and are very friendly, as long as you open up and do not have the "spy behavior" they will open up as well and treat you like their brother/sister. It isn't mutually exclusive here as long as you are business minded and are willing to stand for yourself
@@yiqiaowang336 I agree, although im a student in the UK it seems that the struggle is the same. The only difference is that it is quite difficult to befriend non-white UK born minorities too like the white ones unlike the USA. Although if you try hard, you can sort of integrate with the home students but you need to have a certain personality. Its far more easier for girls ive noticed because the men wants to sleep with them. They will usually let them in on a pedastool. However I noticed that most of these girls are Indian, rarely East Asians. If it is an East Asian its most likely a Korean person (Likely a Korean girl). My observation is that the condition are strict. The girl has to have almost native proficiency of English, alongside a level of atteactiveness and have a very careless life style of not studying. So your average Chinese international female student who is 5'2, unstyled hair, and round glasses who wears padded clothes everyday cannot integrate. Most people i saw who did integrate are women who end up dating on of the person in the group she assimilated in. If your a boy, the most integration you would get is your flatmate or course mate. I argue that unless you were born in the UK or raised here or be extremely extraverted, you cannot integrate. I think life as an international student in the US is far easier.
In regards to racism and arrogance, what your saying is real. I have had several of my Chinese colleagues express frustration at the rampant racism intentional or unintentional. Usually very frequent with older people who are from bygone eras who view East Asians as a monolith. I notice that after saying the dumbest thing or having a very dumb opinion about why asians r X or why asians r Y, then they try to gaslight you into thinking its not rascist at all and how your just too sensitive.
Im planning to stay in the UK for 2 more years including my masters and this teacher training im gonna be pursuing. After that im gtfoing out of here. The UK is a hostile place to immigrants including international students. The US, i have to admit, the place u r studying is a much better place.
The last thing is that a realization i came to. Back in East Asia we would view eachother as enemies and rivals. We would slug slurs at eachother. But once we are here, we are on the same boat. For them, we are the same and in a way yes. We are two crabs fighting the same struggle. Its important for East Asians to stick together. Although Koreans and Chinese form their own seperate group. Theres a large case of Chinese and Koreans becoming friends once u go to the outskirts of the echo chamber of these groups. We need to let the people back in East Asia know one thing is that in the grander scheme of things, we are the same, and we must cooperate. The way the outside world sees and treat us is scary. We have no one but eachother. Id go as far to say Imperial Japan had a point despite all their crimes against my people. I can only hope the people back in East Asia leave their little box and see the forest than trees. The current state of the world was the same as it is during the 1800's. The difference is the technology.
I'm Japanese and I used to study in America. It was extremely hard to find common things to talk about. My English is pretty good and I've no problems communicating. But I grew up in a culture that doesn't party or drink much. Also, a lot of American classmates looked at me weirdly if I didn't know a celebrity or a tv show. There're a lot of references in conversations that I didn't understand because I wasn't well versed in pop culture.
It's far easier to hang out with fellow Asians that enjoy the same past times as I do. They usually don't have an expectation for you to know about certain things as well. Studying was pretty demanding. So hanging out with friends should be a fun time instead of stressing over every interaction.
As helpful as that advice is (even I as a UK native would follow as I too dislike this demographic you describe) it only exacerbates the issue. You are in a foreign country and it's not fair to the indiginous population to isolate yourself. You are a stranger who enters their house, looks down on their interests and culture, only talks with their neighbors instead, and leaves once they have what they came for. This is what you are advocating for, and as good as that is for you, it's not good for the UK, because is makes intergration more difficult for the next person. The US for example already has this foundation as they are a new country based on immegration, so it's much easier. Don't think I don't sympathise with your struggle however, as it sounds awful for you.
Mate, as a former Chinese international student, now a permanent resident of Australia, I can totally relate to the insights you have provided. I can see that you have done extensive research to understand the ongoing issues between international students and Australian Society. Chinese students usually do not integrate well into the society, not because of the lack of intention or willingness to but often the cultural barrier, I speak English fluently but I still have issues making friends with Aussies, I would not blame anyone for this as it could be difficult for people with completely different cultural backgrounds to have a great time together. To all people who are reading this, treat international students in your class just a bit better, you have no idea what they are going through. A friendly greeting may brighten their day and open them up.
I’m a Vietnamese student studying in Canada. The only part in your videos that I don’t see a lot of evidence of is smurfing. However, I agree with the rest of your points. Many of my vietnamese and international students friends suffer from the same problems mentioned.
hmmm no ur right, i probably could find more evidence of smurfing however it’s really hard since the chinese government generally won’t let news outlets talk about it openly as a prevention to stop more people from doing it, and the students doing it here obviously wouldn’t openly talk about it either so it’s kinda hard haha
This was a great video! My boyfriend came here to the US from China, Henan Province, a few years ago for his college education and explained some of this to me. The competitiveness to do the best and then having the stress of your family put so much into your education with working long hours, selling businesses, and property to pay for not just a bachelors but sometimes even beyond that is astounding and shows so much dedication and pressure at the same time. The schools love it since those student pay up front. I met him after he finished his masters but from what he told me, he definitely did not come from money, and did struggle to some extent with language barriers but did very well for himself. Being gay, he definitely wanted out of China. And being an interracial couple, with me being black has been something good for us.Since the concept and race and ethnicity aren't really a thing in some places in China, according to him, navigating topics like this in our relationship and how we both may be viewed, together or separate, has been very insightful for us both :).
I went to UTS in Sydney and international students were both the best and the worst. Some of them were incredibly intelligent and active in their work, others put in no effort and plagerised constantly. You could tell who actually wanted to be there and who was being forced into studying software for the money.
Same observations from Melbourne
when you have a nation of 1 billion no shit they are gonna have at least a couple million young students who go to the best universities because its about status
Yeah, you’re right, if my country had no decent universities that didn’t require insane entry requirements I’d be looking abroad. That’s the whole reason for this video. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.
@@theowainwright7406 unneeded ngl like what did you acheive by stating the obvious🤔
@@theowainwright7406 also i wrote this before even starting the video putting my assumption
As a Chinese international student who took Gaokao in China, change my university twice during my bachelor but eventually found better uni in Europe and finished my bachelor there, and now just graduated my master in Europe (In the continent, not the UK or Ireland), here are something that I observe:
First of all, the concept of western education/western universities is too general. The education can be vastly differ from the USA and France or Germany, even though these countries are still western, so using the expression "western university" or "western education" is not a good way to describe it since the education system from each countries are different. Generally speaking European Universities (Excluding the UK and Ireland) are stricter and more difficult than the Universities from the US, Australia and Canada, especailly the bachelors. The evaluation method can also be dramatically different though (You can even encouter some courses where your final grade is sorely determined by the final exam, in exchage if you fail the course or you want to improve you grade you can take the resit or retake the course without extra charges but it is still kinda scary since you can be ejected from the university, such as if you failed a course two or three times. They wouldn't care if you are an international student or not).
Secondly, the group isolation can happen but it is not a sorely a "Chinese students thing" between Chinese students, it can be international students from any other countries. Such as German with Germans, French with French, Italian with Italian. In this situation, I think the most important thing is just to have a balance and be open to any communications and stop overthinking the question of "Fit-in or not", more or less it is a lot of people think that there is just two options which is totally wrong. There are also some situations where you cannot fit in to neither Chinese student group nor an international group, in this case it is also needed to think about the best way to counter this problem.
Thirdly, the language problem can still exist if you are attending classes in their own local language such as German in Germany/Switzerland/Austria or French in France/Belgium/Switzerland. You can only make yourself better by speaking it not matter what. I mean, joke aside, when you are drunk who cares about your accent? In addition, if you are studying in English, everyone has a distinct accent since everyone is from a different country so why do you care about that. It is way more important to let other people know what's going on.
As for the Fuerdai people, I would just be careful. In Continental Europe this is way less common, especially if you are going to study in some countries like Benelux countries, Nordic Countries or Switzerland. The likelihood of encounter a Fuerdai is just small, even though these countries are not cheap, but you still need to be careful though.
The mental health issue is the most important part I have to say. This one I think is the only thing that have to be fully addressed, even local or other international students struggles.
hey, thanks so much for clarifying, a big part of this is due to time constraints and I didn’t want to make my video go on for like hours on end so I had to generalise a lot of things. But I appreciate you for writing such an in-depth comment about this because you are totally correct!
UK unis are also considered hard by Canadian standards. It’s really depends on which school and course u enrolled in. But I agree, these are things that should not to be generalized.
You're definitely right on Gaokao being much more difficult than US/etc. I've heard horror stories about studying till you bleed and they come here to US and it's like being back in high school again, especially Math. Chinese students have years of additional math learning vs US students.
nice job, you wasted your life through uni and master's
You become professional student! Jesus
A lot of Chinese companies are waking up to the idea that the students who are studious enough to get into their domestic institutions are the best candidates. There’s very much a growing local perception that the kids going overseas are not close to the same grade of worker that their domestic counterparts are. As an Australian I can also say that they are one of the top contributors to our economy.
100% I’ve seen a lot of Chinese companies actually favour more towards students who have graduated from local universities, even if they are ranked to lower overall!
oh yea they are over 1000% if the economy all other people are lesser
I think it's because international students get used to being heard and in some sense, respected at work. Back home, it's a lot more status conscious and being obedient is seen as better worker trait then knowing how to collaborate and give opinions to management.
Chinese who can't crack the domestic go abroad
The value of an international education is becoming worthless. They're going back and finding they're not as employable as many who stayed in China, Either way international experts agree that the Chinese student market will last for more years at most as the combination of expansion of higher education in China plus demographic decline will eventually see the market stagnate and then go into reverse. Many students also find that blue collar work pays better than white collar jobs. In other words the money spent on an international education in a top institute isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
A lot of these issues just sound like a lack of research before moving, or adequately preparing for the realities of the west...
I never have expected to travel to a country for any reason and never expect the culture or society to bend over backwards or cater to me!
Many Asian students in my city (particularly Chinese and Indian) seem to really struggle with the concept that you cannot simply live as you did back home. Nor can you expect anyone to ignore their own culture/societal norms to make you comfortable, & you cannot bring the political conflicts.
yes! i totally agree!!! often these people are almost hoaxed by education agencies telling them false information and almost painting a picture of how easy going life is abroad! it’s crazy how often i find myself and other asians friends (not international students) needing to help an international student either with language barriers or resolving some sort of conflict they’ve gotten themselves into by accident
i agree with this so much omg. I dont understand why people want to recreate India outside India. Lot of people of Indian immigrants are also extremely racist and do not want to rent to non-Indians, non-vegetarians and people from lower castes.
@@shaivamuthaiya2015 am south asian and had moved to a city in germany where 70% of the international students at the uni were from india.
i noticed there is a big sense of "indian" identity and pride until its time to single out a certain group or socialize( most only talked to their specific ethnic group). was very weird especially as they were not a minority of international students... by far
i feel sad that the same indian student horde funneling in&out of the UK completely disrespecting the existing UK Asian subculture(music,film,art), voice,representation that desi community have fought for
THIS 🫡
@@klaize_ 100%. I hear horror stories at collage about the lies and scams being pushed in Aisian countries... I had multiple classmates who were deported or never made it here thanks to a shady passport/paperwork agency that gave em fake papers. Brutal
I went to a high school with a lot of international students (US). I noticed that most of them would only hang out with eachother and I didn't understand why at first, but over time, I realized that a lot of teachers would pick on them for not understanding cultural norms and not speaking perfect English. I noticed it particularly with the Asian and LatAm students the most.
I have a friend who’s an ABC (American born Chinese). He told me doesn’t matter how fluent he is in Chinese, he still would not fit in with the mainland Chinese groups. Because at the end of the day, he isn’t born in China.
i think my grad program at Johns Hopkins was 80% international chinese. Literally was learning mandarin because many of them didnt speak english.
你的中文的水平是什么高？
@@aoeu256 did u google translate that? Cuz the grammar just sounds off
@@aoeu256 it is so english coded chinese
@@aoeu256 I believe you meant to say:
你的中文水平有多高啊？
你的中文程度是多少啊？
你的中文水准高不高啊？
Anything but 「你的中文的水平是什么高？」.
That's absurd, foreigners should learn local language to communicate with natives, not the other way around. It's the best way to destroy native culture. What would the Chinese think if they were forced to learn English to understand foreigners in their homeland? Why do they want to do to other people things that they wouldn't do to themselves? Wouldn't be surprised if their parents didn't teach them that.
One of the main reasons Chinese Parents push their kids so hard, it's not wanting to see their kids succeed, it's wanting to have a rich kid to rely on in their old age. It quite selfish if you really think about it.
Do you have Chinese parents
@@bzchnt3143 Nah, it's just speculation, by my economist friend, who has a lot of east Asian visa students as clients. He saw "doctor son is the goal", so much that he realized it's not about the son.... it's about the parents.
You're not wrong. Ofc generally speaking not every parent is like 100% selfish, but there is indeed a back thought of "I raised you, so you have to pay it back to me". But the thought is implemented throughout culture, as family and sticking together is a big thing in China.
That often leads to entitlement that kids owe parents something. Which is absolutely toxic. Still, there is much more nuance to that topic than what I could write rn (I do in fact hate writing and writing essays).
Well no, if they were looking for retirement they would definitely not be looking to send their children overseas. The Chinese in particular have the 5th highest gross saving as % of gdp in the world (47% of the average Chinese person’s income is saved) , only beaten by Brunei, Singapore, Macao and Suriname (all tiny economies/ Chinese descent). What’s not mentioned here is that the generation that suffered the late stage brunt consequences of Maoist communism are still alive, (my grandpa and grandma), as well as the early turmoil of Deng’s economic reforms (my parents). This is a generation where less than 0.1% (1/1000)of the population could ever even get into a university, of which they were in a time that if you got into university you were guaranteed a job whilst the other 99+% were relegated to traditional farming and other low-skill jobs with no real opportunity. You have to remember China is a Confucian society, so there’s a vastly different mentality of what is owed to parents. Is it not good that you can take care of your parents when they get old? That it isn’t some debt to repaid because one day you’ll wish your own grandchildren have enough money to see you once or twice a year? Have you seen how much new years money is? It’s incredible how much your grandparents will spend just so their grandchildren acknowledge their existence. The older you get, the more you realise them pushing you to do well in school is to prevent you from regretting a future without opportunity
@@yaB0i_Hawkxthe Chinese respect authority far more. Even under a totalitarian state where far lesser crimes can get you incarcerated, their prison population is still extremely low for their population.
Excellent video! As someone who currently studies in an International High School (although it says that it's International, most of the people I meet are just people with Chinese ethnicities and Chinese parents that were birthed in different parts of the world and thus hold different nationalities) in China, I can guarantee that your points are absolutely spot on. International Schools like mine are usually already perceived to be more "free" than local schools and are often pictured as less rigorous, and to be completely honest, that's true. But once ninth grade comes, we receive a humongous influx of transfers from local schools who get to escape the Zhongkao (High school entrance examination) and get an easier route to foreign universities or even domestic universities (since these people would likely be applying through IB/AP/A-level, which receives much less competition in comparison to the Gaokao when applying to the elite domestic universities like those you listed in your video).
Anyway, I've noticed that these transfers have absolutely trashy English and other humanities subjects, but they excel in STEM at unthinkable amounts. However, about Chinese schools "rigidly demanding objective answers", I'd say from my personal opinion that this is true to some extent. This is especially obvious in Chinese classes, where it is encouraged to memorize the answers to short answer questions and "critical thinking" questions word for word while all the so-called "analysis" you're doing is just copied directly from a ppt. Just copy the template and insert some adjectives here and there and you usually get high scores (It sounds very simple, but sometimes the objective answers might contradict with your own personal thoughts...)If you stray from the objective answers even a slight bit, teachers will often count you wrong (which has pissed me off at many points), even if you back up your viewpoints with substantial commentary and evidence... It wasn't until the later years of high school that they start telling you it is okay to not write your stuff word for word, but by then this sort of learning habit is already fixated in your mind and has been reinforced so much, it becomes very difficult to break off (which is also why I guess plagiarism rates are somewhat higher in Chinese international students I guess)...
I feel like a lot of the ideology differences (regarding gender, religion, politics, etc) differ greatly because of western social media being very restricted here... International Schools are a bit of an exception since a majority of the people I know have and use a vpn, but there's still a great deal of people that don't, and their viewpoints are limited solely to what Chinese social media says. Not saying that either one is better or worse than the other, just that I think having both is really important in shaping the worldviews of Chinese citizens. Idk... maybe more schools should have a class reflecting on contemporary trends or global affairs to help prepare international students fit into foreign environments? It's certainly not something I can decide.
Loved the detail and examples you put in your video! Hope you keep it up :))
oh wow i appreciate you for sharing your own experience about this!! i’m glad this video was something you could relate to on a personal level!! thanks again for watching!🙏🏻
I go to an international school in Southeast Asia and I can confirm this is true. There's even a belief among the local school kids that these Chinese kids weren't 'good enough' for local schools, so that's why they go to international schools where things are meant to be 'less challenging' (though this may not be true, as many of them offer the IB program, which is hellish). They're only able to 'escape' the local schools because their parents have money to burn.
In my opinion, there's nothing inherently wrong with them attending international schools. They have to get an education somehow. What is a problem, though, is that many of them A) refuse to put effort into their work and/or B) refuse to speak English.
I know a few at my school who are truly hard-working or average, which is good for them. But there's still a majority that doesn't put effort into their work, probably because they know they can 'take things easier' than they would in a local school. Heck, when it comes to written tasks (usually in humanities classes), many of them plagiarise their work by using ChatGPT or by translating existing Chinese essays into English and then changing a few words, simply because they don't want to try and/or because of their 'trashy English'. It's clear many of them lack the 'critical thinking' needed for humanities classes, so they resort to STEM subjects where it is not needed. This doesn't make them excel at STEM subjects in my school's case.
The refusal to speak English is an even bigger problem. My school's language of instruction is meant to be English, but because these non-English-speaking Chinese kids make up such a huge chunk of the student body, my school doesn't even bother encouraging them to at least try speaking it. This just makes my school environment weirdly segregated. It's like one half of the school can communicate with each other despite their various nationalities, but the other half can't/refuses to communicate with the latter because they're in their own Chinese world. It just makes group work and making friends so frustrating as an English-speaking kid.
It also really defeats the point of an international school. Many international schools praise themselves for being a 'diverse community'. But is it really a community after all if half the people in it can't/refuse to communicate with the other half because they do not share a language?
I could go on and on about this. I'm just surprised I found a comment about the problem in international schools, so I just had to share my thoughts.
@@alloyadroit4807there’s more or less a selection bias at play, those students you see are usually sent by their parents, typically well off and just want to give their rich often bratty kids a better diploma than they deserve. So growing up spoiled and never had to work for anything ofc they are going to find the path with the least resistance and be even more out of control now that they live without their parents. On the other hand, if we look at Chinese students at Nanyang Girls high school or HwaChong in Singapore for example, they are some of the hardest working, smartest, and personable people I’ve met and usually end up going to top US or Chinese universities. Why the difference? Because they are there on merit based scholarship so ofc these schools are gonna pick the best students in China. The Chinese international student body is definitely not a monolith and I feel a lot of ppl have missed that point.
This is just like the JEE in india, despite not having Harvards or Standfords in india, the ecosystem is extremely competitive.
oh yeah i had a feeling it would be something similar there! thanks for the comment!
@@klaize_man you should check out indian medical exam NEET UG , students more than population of many countries give this exam . Crazy level of competition. I am also giving it for 2 years fortunately this year i got a good college .
BtW great video 😊
@@MyBigBishop Hey man I am also about to give jee this year, any tips?
@@BruceWayne-o1b 1 saal pura i mean fully do isko aur kuch nhi krna , extremely focus rho sirf studies pe , agar khi coaching kr rhe ho to friends ko dekh ke choose kro apna circle padhai wala rakho. Aur kabhi kabhi mind fresh kr liya krna but effective study krna tumko hi hai sirf book kholne se kuch nhi hota. Good luck bro hope tumhra exam clear ho jaye 👍👍
@@MyBigBishop Thank you!!!!😊
I am also a Chinese international student. Most American students, growing up in with at least a certain amount of freedom of expression, feel a lot more comfortable expressing political opinions in public, which is often too much of a luxury of Chinese international students. Sometimes, the Chinese students Association not only provides service to international Chinese students, but also watch us and reports if anyone expresses "problematic political opinions" against China. However, Americans never have similar experience. They often expect us to vehemently bashing our country in public. This is, too put it very lightly, NOT NICE. It isolates Chinese students from their ethnic peers and sometimes put us in danger of being reported to the embassy. Sometimes it leads to us being doxed, harassed, and receiving death threats. Any Americans seeing this, I sincerely suggest, if you REALLY want to know about China, make friends to us first and talk in private. Do not pressure us in class or in public to talk about political issues, especially those related to China.
Even tho i’m in australia, I’m so sorry that your experience as an international student hasn’t been pleasant, there’s never any room for racism and abuse :(
i totally agree, communication is key!
100%. I've had to warn some Chinese colleagues to be watchful because while we may not care (we sure bash our own governments freely), they must be careful because we can't protect their families back home from consequences of speaking against the CCP, even if it's told as a joke.
Thank you for this information
From my experience, westerners (Americans especially) basically expected me to openly bash the government and rant about how it has ruined my life, and how I'm just a poor and sad chinese boy in need of white patronage; you get branded as a government shill if you express anything remotely different from their preconceived social stereotype of a chinese person.
Can't agree more
I do believe that cultural differences are underestimated by western students or western people in general, I am guessing because of how dominant western culture appears in western media. I feel like especially on the internet a lot of people in the west will have experienced that a lot of western culture translates into other western culture quite well with the american pop culture being a kind of leitmotiv. I think especially at universities it is disappointing to see how little actual critical thinking is done or even necessary to receive a meaningful degree. Of course actual critical thinking is anything but easy but nowadays it seems universities are predominantly seen as the only option of further education, neglecting the value of apprenticeships and the like. Fully ignoring the fact that through this funneling of people into universities the quality of education has to be lowered inevitably, going as far as just teaching „facts“ and there not actually being any space for real studying of a topic happening in depth.
I do still struggle with the argument of students from abroad struggling with a culture and thus closing themselves off to it. I get how important social interaction especially in your early adult years is. Still I cannot understand how a) one decides to go to a foreign country to study (for themselves or their children) without making themselves familiar with that countries culture and actually trying to understand what leads to that countries education or job situation being perceived as better. Or b) how one will actually be elligible to study at a top university but not be able to realize that flaunting the wealth of your parents and spending money you don‘t have is very stupid and is a very good indicator to stay away from these people. I get that being raised in a collectivist society probably means you care more about your peers opinion, but I do not understand how you would not see an issue in that in itself, especially if because of that you feel pressured to take huge financial risk.
I believe this is the reasoning behind the whole affirmative action lawsuit against Harvard by a large amount of Asian applicants. The Asian applicants were complaining that they had gpas of 4.8 and higher but applicants with lower gpas were getting accepted instead of them. They blamed affirmative action for this regardless of the numbers directly denying their claims. Culture, and their complete disregard for the culture of others is the reason why they even felt entitled to a spot. The thing that a lot of immigrants miss is that personality counts a lot in America. Much like the issue of the even playing field in china, when it comes to an ivy league university, everyone is smart. They have trouble defining themselves beyond the books. It's interesting.
I am currently a student at a German university and we do actually have lots of international students, especially from India and China.
And in that regard, the cliché is true, most study economics or natural sciences and it’s very divided between local and international students, which is kind of sad.
I know that a lot of them actually want to learn German, but they struggle to meet enough Germans to practice in their daily lives.
Regarding LGBT: I have actually met several LGBT Chinese people and introducing them to the local scene has been fun!
Most of the Chinese students I met have been very polite and even compared to us Germans, who aren’t exactly famous for our extroversion, a bit shy. But once you get to know them, they open up just like everyone else!
And yes, as long as you meet people from different cultures and backgrounds, you‘ll definitely need a bit of tolerance for ambiguity.
Of course some of my friends believe in things I don’t believe in, and that’s ok. I also believe in things they don’t agree with. We respect our differences and still like each other as people.
When I visit other countries, I want to meet people who are open to my differences and don’t dismiss me because I don’t know all the societal rules and conventions yet. So I don‘t quite understand why so many locals at my university don’t make more of an effort.
oh wow, thanks for sharing such insightful story, I really appreciate your comment and I’m glad that my video was able to struck a chord with you on a personal level! Thanks again for watching
I'm from Hong Kong, studied in a boarding school for Gymnasium with a lot of Indian and Chinese/Cantonese students. I was basically harassed on a daily basis due to not knowing Chinese well, but I made a lot of European friends and got my B2 certificate within the 4 month mark. It definitely is divided but from my perspective they do NOT want to mingle with anyone outside their own culture(which I am outside of despite coming from the same country). We also had to have a separate BUILDING for the Indians due to culture, apparently
I like your take, but it honestly is hard for many Chinese(and most Germans I met, although my school was considered pretty rural) to accept different cultures and even people from Hong Kong who hate China would rather stick with the Chinese than the Germans. They would also openly talk trash about non Chinese speakers in Chinese, even up to the point where I left
I agree with everything, my cousins have asked me to help them move to Switzerland to get better job and college opportunities (we have top ranking colleges too), but also they don't have the financials to do that. We also don't have the money to help them. It's already hard to even get them visas to come visit us. They've been rejected 3 times already
ahhh thanks for the comment! i hope everything works out for you in the end!
Switzerland is a scam... The "top" university just pay more money to be high in the ranking, while providing the same or worse teaching then Austrian or German universities
as someone who currently attends an art school in the US with a hugeee chinese population (especially very wealthy ones like you mention) this video was a really informative and crazy watch. im decently close with a guy who's a very wealthy international student (dad high in government, diplomatic passport kinda rich) and even i as an american feel intimidated to hang out with him since he's always spending mass amounts of money, buying new clothes, fancy food, etc etc, and many of them simply come from a different upbringing where that's normal, which can be very odd for middle class americans attending the same classes/university to see and come off as rude or like theyre flexing. incredibly well done video tho, especially the part on social medias. i honestly think the difference between western/chinese social medias makes a huge difference in the acclimation of chinese international students, especially since even if they wanted to some of the apps like wechat wont even let westerners (or those without other friends with the same app) make a profile due to their verification processes.
get that bag girl
@@bruh-bn3ni LMAOOOO
get that bag girl
in all seriousness tho! he probably also really appreciate you being there for him, as from what I understand having interact with international students. They are often very introverted, especially when it comes to speaking another language with locals!
As a Chinese student studying abroad, I never thought about the problem of not socialising with foreign students enough until I watch this video. To me there are three main reasons why I don’t hang out with non-Chinese that much. The first is that I don’t feel confident enough to speak English although I got 7.5 on speaking in IETS. I also feel like there’s a barrier between the others, we grew up in different cultures and I don’t know what they are interested in, I don’t know how to start a conversation, but if they start the conversation I can definitely chat with them. The second is that there are many Chinese students studying abroad, so it feels ‘enough’ just to hang out with them. The third is micro-racism, I’ve been called F***ing Chinese when I was walking, and another lady asked me whether I like to eat human when I said I like eating pig’s fallopian tube. Once I was in Lidl, I walked out with a white man and the machine beeped but the guard only checked me, and when he found out I didn’t steal anything, he didn’t apologize.
Btw, great video
lidl? are u in germany
@@bababoi9294 No, the UK
Just started a grad program within NYU after having been out of higher learning for 7 years. I was just thinking why this has been the case. I genuinely feel like half of the people I see around NYU buildings are Chinese international students - nothing against it at all, my interactions have always been pleasant - though I definitely have and will likely continue to experience the language and cultural barrier at points. It was wonderful understanding this immigration phenomenon!
Your video is incredibly informative, and well cited and researched.
Thanks so much, you've got a sub from me too!
thank you so much! also really insightful comment! i really appreciate it 🙏🏻
@@klaize_ You're so welcome, but thank you especially! I have also been seeing a lot of videos from China Insider with David Zhang (?) on UA-cam, and a lot of the issues he presents*, especially with the current climate within China, makes a bunch of sense in regards to the topic you presented in this video - especially seeing this video. Super multilayered issue, but I once again have to thank you profusely for doing your due diligence in holistically summarizing the phenomenon by providing cultural and historical points leading to it.
So well done (research, visual presentation, all of that, easy digestibility of the content)!
Keep it trucking, klaize!!!
@@gyamjatang oh wow this is so nice hahah thank you so much!!
I did a law degree and there were lots of chinese students on my course. They stuck together and never spoke up in lectures, seminars, work groups etc. The only time I remember one speaking up was when a lecturer was critical of the justice system in China and one of them immediately challenged her on it in front of the whole lecture hall lol
Chinese students are mostly sensitive to “racist” remarks(as a Chinese myself)
@@livori624 being critical of the CCP is not racist
@@TheAdskidids1 It is mainly the Chinese education system, especially now that it features many patriotic elements so many like my cousins who stay in China, are very supportive of the CCP and anti American
That happens a lot with Chinese students. They only seen to participate in conversations if you slam how backwards China is.
@livori624 it is true that the Chinese legal system is backwards AF. The place is a hell hole!
There is a huge Asian population on my campus and when I tell you that I rarely see em in social areas. The only time I see them out is when they’re walking to class, getting food and going straight back to their dorms. No extracurricular activities and they only really mingle with other Asians which is understandable…my school is in the Midwest and as an African here…..I get it, but sometimes I really wanna get a chance to talk to em and learn more about their culture and get websites for more clothes cuz they be putting that shit on
I'm from NYC and I'm a bit of an arcade gremlin. Recently a new arcade called "Gatcha" opened up in Flushing, Queens which is generally regarded as the Asian part of Queens. And funny enough I was talking with my arcade going buddies yesterday how easily we can tell who was a Chinese exchange student and who was a Chinese American. The Americans had your usual Asian street clothes with the tracksuit and buckethat while the Chinese exchange students wore expensive designer clothes some where just walking in full tuxedos to the arcade. One of my friends who is Chinese refers to them as those rich kids from Shanghai who come to the City to take advantage of our college's programs then go back to the mainland.
Bruh…gatcha=gambling according to my two gay asf friends. One drinks monster every single fucking day, for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Another idk where the hell is he.
I used to follow their two asses to gatcha after school
I'm Chinese American, graduated from UC Riverside this year and yea I believe saw a lot of this while I was there. The economics department especially had lots of Chinese international students showing up in designer clothing and exclusively speaking Chinese with each other in class
ahhh yeah it’s pretty crazy how much disposable money they have hey haha
They ruined our university and city
I love UC Riverside ❤
i went to uni with most of them are Chinese international students 😭 other foreign international students never really like them because most of the time they don't try to interact in english even during group projects. I was put in group projects alot with them, some are trying their best but some don't bother at all and rather stick to their language and talk to other chinese student.
They are nice though i talked to most of them but Like what others say they stick to each other only, there's this chinese girl who used to lived in US that's different she's more outgoing than others (they're 90% rich as hell though lmao)
Great ideas that have not been discussed widely. However, I felt that culturally, Asian and Western cultures are so different that even with no language differences, few western students will want to mix with Asians and vice-versa. I'm from Singapore and most expats still keep to their circles, despite no language barrier. We have a lot of Chinese students and expats but as China became wealthy, most Chinese students and expats also keep to their own circles despite there is no language barriers with local Chinese. The truth is that most people dun like to find out about other people of other cultures unless they are interested.
yeah i totally agree about that, different worldly viewpoints as well as differing ethics about certain topics would play a huge part!
no language barrier? singaporean chinese mandarin cmi how can talk with them
From Singapore too. Went the normal route ig psle then o’s. It may not be as hard as gaokao but some points mentioned in the vid resonates w me. In sg the pressure given by parents are also heavy and after sch we have to attend tuitions to not pass, but mostly to score As. For psle which is taken when you’re 12, is really stressful for your kids as it ‘determines’ your future as when u move in to secondary school there are different pathways (depends on ur psle score) to take and everyone aims ip (express train to take a lvls without taking os) hence the pressure has been instilled mostly before entering primary school (7 yrs old). However, only rich rich kids can only afford to travel overseas and study to avoid o lvls or if u scored badly. For me I have some classmates from china and they’re all really nice. However, pressure is still on in sg. So yeah if I wld, I wld go to the us and study (sg kids learn both Eng n their mother tongue) and have fun and not in this sg education system. However, gg thru my 10 years of education in sg, I don’t have regrets but the pressure is sad :(
I have mixed with many Japanese and south east Asian students, Asian students are welcome in western unis, as left wing as they are, I think it’s that china does not expose their citizens to much western media and on top of that, the sheer population of Chinese students allows them to form
Their own communities, which isn’t necessarily bad, but doesn’t help them integrate into english classes and communities.❤️🇨🇳
I was almost struggling to understand what would be so different about Chinese international students but being a Bengali-American I tried to think for a second of being in the shoes of my cousins who are international students abroad in the US and then it clicked in my head, it's exactly the same asian mentally and asian educational style but its probably worse because Bangladesh is pretty proficient in English unlike China. I think this problem is pretty universally an international student issue primarily from asian international students because of the huge amount of population in asia. Bangladesh has statically very insane and impressive population statistics being the mostly densely populated country.
oh that’s really interesting I didn’t know that, thanks for such an insightful comment
Great video for such a small creator. Good luck!
Thank you so much! I’m glad u enjoyed the vid 😁
Most Chinese international students do not integrate, at all.
I noticed this during my undergrad, noticed it during my masters, now noticing it during my doctorate.
Most Chinese international students expect others to accommodate them, or they will actively seek out other Chinese international students to avoid integration while maintain their biases/worldviews instead of challenging them.
You can state it's out of fear due to micro-aggressions and racism, which is partially true, however at the same time, many international students have biases against other minorities that reside in the same environment and thus refuse to interact.
Of course, I emphasize 'MOST', as realistically, not all behave this way - it's typically the upper class Chinese international students who behave like this (which is most).
I have met some very humble and open-minded Chinese international students (easiest example would be my girlfriend).
Realistically, most Chinese international students do not care at all about the country they are going to, nor the culture, or the people there. The only thing they care about is the name that will be on their resume, which they can boast when they return to China. They do not care about you, your culture, your language, etc.
Hyper example of this would be any Ivy League school.
You could argue against me, and my rebuttal would be to download 小红书 .
Side note, and personal example, I literally had a Chinese international student complain about not being accepted into a engineering lab for the US military...of course you're not going to be accepted into such a lab, you're not a U.S. citizen, yet he couldn't comprehend such a thing, as if the world was suppose to alter just for him.
P.S., I emphasize 'MOST', not 'ALL'. Some genuinely are not like this at all, and want to learn more about where they now reside for school.
They just care about the school (most of the time) , which is what they're there for.
Y’all westerners are kinda the same in China and other Asia countries 😂
They're incredibly PASSIVE after a lifetime under the CCP. Hanging out with a Mainlander, you have to do all the social work. They just mirror you, trying to say appropriate things. It's exhausting.
@@ryana5435 Okay, and that's a fair comment to raise. While I argue it's different, especially because China is a country, and 'Westerners' is not, I will respect your reply. Yet, the video is about Chinese international students, and thus, my comment focused on that.
Also… they paid haha they paid for an education, the school promised an experience. The school pamphlets don’t mention that the experience requires actual effort.
Imagine you’re paying an extortionate amount for a steak at a Resteraunt, then the chef tells you that you have to cook it yourself. You’re gonna flip out 🤣 we can talk about expectation of what education looks like too 😀
As a Chinese international student myself, I couldn’t agree more. Some of my friends don’t go to the lecs and tuts but take private tutorials outside campus to help with their homework (oc in Mandarin). I think my parents spent a lot of money to send me here, so if I stayed in my comfort zone speaking Mandarin every day and only making Chinese friends, that would be a waste of money and time.
@@Nicolas-Chen-ix8tz thanks for your input, i appreciate ur insight!
hope your studies go well :)
As a Chinese, I can say that I decided to study abroad is to purely escape from the suffocating stress
This was so interesting, thank you! For med school, I went to it which was on the edge of a large Midwestern campus in the US and there were a lot of very wealthy Chinese international students (not in my class, just in general around the campus). There was definitely a divide between them and the locals and it was sad to see. Also, when I heard Old Stories in the background, I thought I had accidentally turned on my music and took like 5 mins to remember where I had heard that melody haha
ahhh i imagine there would be a bit of tension between local students the the international students! and ahhhhh thanks for noticing, made in abyss is my fave anime ahhaha
Interesting situation…sacrificing social life, relationships, fun, and skills for education…but have zero experience in the work force and communication.
Be american, great communication, social life, and personality…struggle to compete in school due to poor grades but still have fun along the way.
The answer is to strike that balance growing up in the states. Happy to be where i am
100%. There needs to be a balance so that you don’t have an entire generation of people who are essentially, just bookworms. But it’s also important to understand that because of such a dense population over there, competition for jobs are so high and asked everyone feels the need to achieve 110% on every exam as that’s the only way they will be able to get a good paying job!
Irony of westerners complaining about Chinese not integrating with locals when most westerners do the same when they go to China or south east Asia
this is so true and they fail to see that. i’m vietnamese but raised in australia from childhood and it was so embarrassing going to france and having to ask them to speak english.
incredible production value on these vids i didnt even realize its a small channel. good job it looks like the algorithm is finally giving you the recognition you deserve
thanks for the kind words! i hope i can keep growing!! glad you enjoyed the video
When I was a graduate student at George Washington University, I met one Chinese student in my major and she was the loveliest person I've ever met. She was more intelligent and yet more open to ideas than even other domestic students. Hell, she was the most engaged to meet local students and meet with them.
I still miss her and hope she's doing well. Yushu, if you are reading this, I want to thank you for being a good friend.
Great video and it's brilliant to see the perspective of someone who can mediate between cultures. I used to teach and mark essays at a UK university and my peers would downgrade students if their "English wasn't good enough". I always say that students are in university to learn their subject, not how to write well in English. They were first years as well, so they hadn't had enough time to develop their essay writing skills fully yet. I'm a second language speaker as well so I can empathise. I get it, if their English is so bad they can't get their points across and the marker can't understand their argument it can be hard, but the university is accepting these students, making money out of them and then offering no additional support... Chinese students would also keep to Chinese-only groups and not hang out with other students much, I imagine because of language and culture clashes. Native English speakers can be really judgey about English pronunciation as well. It was sad because Chinese students would often fall into horrible phone scams because they didn't understand the systems, culture, or language enough to react to them...
oh thats super intresting, but that's really sad they would show predjudice like that (assuming they were taking an english class HA) thanks for your kind words and i'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I'd say it depends on the topic studied. If the student studies data science or engineering, it's fine if their English isn't "good enough". If they study law or literature, I'd say English is essential.
To be fair, anybody who can't write well would get downgraded also, no?
I'm Filipino and it's the Chinese whom I have the most friends among other Asians. I feel some gratitude that they are cool with me being invited in their circles as I noticed they don't really try to reach out to other communities or groups.
ahh bless their souls haha, im glad you have a nice circle of friends!
You're being played, you're making friends with the Chinese while the rest of your people are struggling because China is harassing your country.
Because they just want to study and don‘t want to waste time, and they have got rid of their blind worship of the host country.
@@theboredprogrammer1114 you got played, you're befriending your country's enemy? Lol.
@@ERRATAS0707 they're my friends since the late 90s when I was still in elementary school, far from the geopolitical tensions our countries are facing now. Even in my 30s I'm still friends with them tbf.
these videos are something you see on a 1 million + sub channel, amazing quality! i watched 2 of your videos so far and they are super professional, entertaining and educational
thank you so much!!!
The pressures that East Asian countries put on their populations is absurd
Yeah they try to get big thinks in their life to compensate for something else very smol lmao
I remember seeing something like this but instead of Chinese students, its with Indians. I live in North Carolina, mostly in the triangle(its what we call the area of Raleigh, Durham and Cary) and there are so many Indian students in my high school. All of them are studying like crazy, have their inner circle and most of them have rich parents. The only ones that stand out are those that did grow up in America instead of immigrating here. (Had an mixed friend group, participated in stuff)
Also I remember getting stereotyped as an “Rich Asian” once while I was in high school. I entered in a classroom during lunch to try and sit down to eat and to get work done. A random group of Indian kids, one of them said, “Oh, we don’t like Asians here, specifically South East Asians so can you leave?”
I had a lunch tray, and I was a Chinese American that was born and raised in America. I left and went somewhere else and got my work done.
I know most of the things you're talking about already, but for some reason feel like I'm learning them for the first time watching your videos. Your videos are clear, compelling, very high quality.
@@bennettbullock9690 thank you so much!! i really appreciate this. glad you were able to learn (relearn) something from it 🤭
I just found your channel tonight, and 10 minutes into the first of your many videos I watched tonight, I immediately subscribed.
My absolute best friend of 20 years I’ve been blessed to have in my life is Taiwanese and has told me about many of these things over our years of friendship. Your videos are incredible, very honest, and important to be made. I just wanted to say thank you for so eloquently and thoroughly discussing these ideas, incredibly helpful.
thank you so much!! i really appreciate the kind words and i’m glad you enjoy my videos 🙏🏻🙏🏻
One thing about international students is they are a huge market for western countries and the other thing is we don’t wanna stay 😂
pretty much hey!!
这么多人我就不打英文了，我也不期待有人能看完，我爹妈让我留学纯属因为他们俩当年没当成甜甜圈润过去（笑）。
我爹妈当年甚至希望能走线润然后在当地那生我，结果我妈怕了没去成（他们俩一直觉得这是人生的遗憾），结果他们走狗屎运抽到SSR了，生了我这么一个心疼他们、没主见、英语考的分还比较好的，然后我就这么稀里糊涂地去留学了。我爹妈这俩人是B英语都不会，我落地两眼一抹黑，没人告诉我怎么报大学选专业，我高中在一个学习氛围非常差、非常偏僻没有中国人的高中，我当时选专业的时候唯一的想法就是离开这里，顺便我个人比较喜欢漫画，希望将来能干这个，结果因为啥都不懂报了这美术专业，以为是从圆圈方块开始画，最后被通知才知道要交作品集，我当场还去搜什么是作品集，这才发现出大问题了，我高中之前这一辈子就没真的学过画画，画乌龟的本事都没有。然后因为当时报名快结束了，我高中生物化学学的好，我就赶紧报了一个生物化学，后来才知道是天坑专业，而且是在一个文科+美术学校里学生化环材。
现在这四年过去了我终于毕业了，我始终觉得我毕业以后能找到一份随便什么能让我付房租的工作然后攒点钱回国摆烂，结果我找了一年工作，始终都在汉堡王、星巴克、奶茶店这种地方转来转去，拿着最低时薪。我现在跟三个夜里大声做爱的室友住在一起，负担房租、车对我来说都是奢望，回国机票我根本望而却步，就连放弃思考及时行乐都不行，我攒了点钱打算看场电影，结果几个熊孩子把我的车轱辘给他妈捅了，我又抓不到，我就只能自己花钱搞一个新的，今天白天上班工服还划了一道子，我在工位上崩溃了，他们让我歇了一下午，我本来想好好吃顿有营养的饭但是没有力气，睡到现在。
我想起我之前跟我爹妈在微信上闲聊，他们跟我聊起时事，我不爱聊这个但是我更不想在微信里吵架，他们说什么那块地应该是以色列的因为巴勒斯坦那些人之前背叛过埃及人什么什么的，我看着外面游行被打的满脸是血的学弟学妹们说不出话来
4:36 that is an epic song choice, making me think of Uvo's Requiem while talking about a competition in education in the most populous country to ever exist.
i am so so so glad u picked up on this, that was my exact intention but i wasn’t sure if anyone would realise but i think HxH had amazing song choices in eliciting emotion nevertheless
@@klaize_From the first note I started whistling
Great video and I have so much I would like to say, but many folks already covered a majority of it in the comments.
One request I have, though it would take a lot of work, would be to add Mandarin subtitles as well. I work with international students in France, having previously done so in the U.S., and I believe this would be extremely useful for all the Chinese students coming in! 🙂
thanks for the feedback! i’m not sure if i’d actually be able to do that right now but i’ll look into it as something to try in the future!!!
@@klaize_ No worries, I figured it would be a big ask! Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next one. God bless!
As a teacher in private schools in China, there is also the fact that some of the students in these schools have learning disabities that are unacknowledged, which are compounded by poor language skills.
I was born in China but I was raised and mainly live in Australia, and I did hear that Chinese parents think “dyslexia” is just kids being lazy and ADHD is just “naughty”
@@livori624 Dyslexia is tricky though as it involves parts of the brain not used to process character based writing. I taught a dyslexic student who had no issues writing Chinese but showed many classic indicators of dyslexia. Parents took years to understand what the problem was
they refuse the integrate with local students and hang around other Chinese internationals that's the true issue
exactly. 90% of my class are Chinese and I've seen them use live translate apps to translate everything from lecture notes to assignment briefs. Make you wonder how did many of them smurf their way into the degree when you need to have high IELTS score to be eligible.
Even though I'm not Chinese, I speak Chinese. I could tell you that's the only reason we could talk and discuss in group projects. It's useless to talk to them in English.
Because there is nothing in the local culture that can attract them, and they don‘t want to waste time doing these boring things, and the local government maliciously slanders their country.
bruh then why study there when you're don't have an ounce of interest in the country's culture? Just study at your home country then if you're only staying inside your own bubble. Study aboard is more than just going for top-rated university. The multicultural experience is something you don't get at home.
Idk I've been able to make friends with a lot of international students, from China and other Asian countries, pretty easily. People seem hard to approach at first, but you just have to be more forward.
@@qinxu-kw1wc then why go there?
I like the points you made in your video essay, but there are some things I would like to point out. I can only speak about the situation for Taiwanese international students (since I am one), so I have based my observations around that. You spend a lot of time talking about why people want to study abroad, which is true. However, those who are eventually able to come to the US for undergrad are usually from somewhat wealthy families. Tuition for international students in USA is incredibly expensive,so even though many people wish to study here, it is not possible for them. Usually people who can’t afford to study in the US will opt for Australia or Europe, which is less expensive (tho still wealthy by taiwanese standards). Usually undergraduate Taiwanese international students graduate from private high schools like American schools or bilingual schools in Taiwan. They take a different curriculum compared to what the rest of Taiwan takes. I would say the curriculum in public schools is highly catered to the college entrance exam and to prepare students for domestic universities. American and bilingual schools prepare them to go abroad. Despite studying in Taiwan, these international students will still have AP credit going into college. These schools host AP exams and also SAT/ACT exams so their students can take them. Studying abroad in undergrad is not something that is done on a whim, it might be a dream for most to go abroad in undergrad, but not a reality. The public school curriculum does not prepare you for it, and uni in the US for international students can cost $240k over 4 years in undergrad (at a well ranked school without scholarships, etc). The only students who are prepared are the ones whose parents have enough wealth and time to spend on their children. I specifically say this is the case for undergraduates, because the only people who are prepared to be in the US out of high school and have enough money, are of course students with wealthy families, who have chosen specific schools (which are expensive) to send their kid abroad. International Graduate students is when things become different, because a Master’s degree is only 2 years (saves money)and a PHD can be paid (not much, but helps though research funding and grants etc.) These grad students come from domestic universities in Taiwan, and are determined to succeed in the US. For many of them, getting a job in the US after graduating here is their idea of success. Also, why would they study in the US if they did not want to stay afterwards? They could easily get a grad degree in taiwan if they wanted to, and the domestic tuition is way less expensive. These are the students that I feel are much more related to your video essay, they want the degree, and they want to stay, and they also have the pressures you mentioned. A lot of the issues you mentioned that cause people to want to study abroad are also class issues, and I think those issues do not affect the taiwanese international undergrads as much if I am being honest. Many of their parents are business owners or highly educated making a lot of money, or from a generational wealthy family. These undergrads are not worried about making money or getting a job as much (but depends on level of wealth of their family). Some might get a degree here even though they do not have to work a day in their life. Some families have enough wealth to send their kids here for undergrad, but are not able to provide for them for their whole lives. Many people do not understand why many undergrad international students here are wealthy, but it is simply the way the system is set up. the only people who CAN be here are those with money.
0:21 THIS KILLED ME
RemyZ is hilarious
Great video. I love how succinct and measured it was. The information presented was comprehensive but not overwhelming. I don't really know any Chinese nationals but am classmates with quite a few 2nd+ generation Chinese Americans. I think this video kind of drives home the fact that my classmates are far more American than Chinese, given their social fluency and understanding of western norms. This video also helps highlight some of the reasons academic success may be so prominent for kids of Chinese or more broadly Asian cultural backgrounds who are pushed to such an extent by their parents who understand education to be a winner takes all system.
With three well researched videos of high production quality released at once, I can only assume your goal is to kickstart a UA-cam channel, so good luck.
hey firstly thank you again for watching and your kind words!! i’m so happy you found this interesting and could link this to what you’ve personally seen at school haha,
and yeah!! i’m really hoping to laugh the channel successfully haha will definitely be posting more videos on this channel 🥹🤭
I love that you chose the Made in Abyss ost for the background
it’s my fave anime!!!!
Great video, it reflects a lot of my experience with international chinese students I had here in Germany. They often are alone or only with other international students because of the language barrier, its not that they don't know english they just lack the knowledge of communicating. Which also hinders them in class discussions which are quite common in social studies. I also knew a chines guy who was studying german literature, which can be difficult even for german people because of the old way of writing. He was amazing at understanding this complex storys but struggled with everyday conversation.
From my experience in UK (as an Asian), when I first got there I learnt that some just prefer to stick to other locals because they have their 'inside jokes' and what is funny to them may not be for you and vice versa. This may be considered as 'micro-racism' as you can really feel they sometimes they hand out with you because you are 'there' and it would be 'rude' to not ask you out or that's the feeling I am getting. But I don't think I can blame them. It is more fun to hangout with people who understand you then spending time explaining some cultural jokes or slangs to a foreign student.
After awhile when my English was improving, beginning to understand some of their 'slangs' met some really nice and patient people I started enjoying my time in UK.
Still, I never get that home feeling like I am welcome there. Sure, the people I met are nice and all but when things get heated or competitive the cultural difference starts to show. You are reminded you are an outsider. In general, the people there are nice but not angels and that's fine.
Please head home
"Culture Shock." As much as I sympathise with the struggle, you came to a culturally distinct and ancient country and it seems like you didn't expect that people would really be different. You are an outsider, and always will be, same as they would be in places that are distinctly their own, such as your home country. But, I am really happy to hear you met some nice people (unlike the dude above me)
@@AlexThipthorpHope you understand that you have soldiers not from your country that have been protecting it for 200 hundred years, and that includes you white bigots
Good video! I notice that most of the time, even ABC do not social circle with International Student. Usually, ABC are in a circle with other ABC.
oh yeah for sure!! culturally asians who have grown up in the west have a completely different outlook to the world compared to those who are international students!
As an ABC I had an identity crisis learning how to balance western values with traditional Chinese values. I like to hang with people I can relate with, which usually happen to be other ABCs.
same thing with UK Asians(=desi/south asians) and the Indian international students. two different worlds
Starting to understand why Singapore is such a popular studying destination compared to full-Western universities now
bro all of the 3 vids are bangers but you shouldnt put them out all at once, maybe put a couple days between the uploads to they have a more time to hit and your channel appears more active
i appreciate the advice!! 🙏🏻
I can tell you put so much effort into explaining all of this! Great job! I have spent a lot of time advocating for international students (as one myself) and your video gave me great insight into Chinese students specifically! A lot of these things are very general across a lot of societies and groups of students.
thanks for all the work you do! And also, I appreciate the kind words. I’m glad the video struck a chord with you on a personal level!
I am an ABC (australian born chinese) and I have definetly experienced a lot of racism from other australians which is kind of crazy considering english is my first language, I am a citizen and I was legit born here. I have experienced like some racism even from teachers and from general members of the public which is actually disgusting. I hate how my country sometimes advertises itself as extremely multicultural yet cannot work towards putting in simple measures on how to educate their citizens not to scream out covid or go back to china when you see a person who just looks different. I want to probably study abroad away in an asian country but I am "too white" to fit into an asian society. Honestly many people like myself feel kind of displaced and like we dont belong. I am planning on trying to like get into a better university abroad once I finish my highschool education but I feel like racism is just such a commonly overlooked issue that many people either glorify or choose to ignore.
In North America too, many assimilated Asian-Americans faced lots of prejudice and racism from both White and Black Americans contrary to their demand they will be accepted if assimilated. Even those Eurasian from mix race Asian and White also faced prejudice, rejection and racism.
Been to china as an exchange student when I was a teenager. Never been to a more racist country other than China. Racism is so cemented in Chinese society (especially Han) that a lot of people didn't even understand the concept of racism.
well, our country Australia was founded upon racism and genocide so...
"My country"? Don't you mean China? A goat birthed in a stable does not make it a horse, it's still a goat, it belongs to the pen. What would you think if waves after waves of Caucasian flock to your country, breed like rabbits and then complain that they don't feel at home? Are you OK with it? I thought not.
@@ohiobumass ...arent all australians goats birthed in stables in that case?
Hey just wanted to say great video! Excited to see more from you 🙂
Thank you! i really appreciate it
I see a bunch of asain students at my college and most of them are great. but i do notice that they all drive expensive cars, like i saw someone driving a european import car that was 300k dollars, and another that left a corvette sat in a parking lot for 4 months straight. Theres one guy that when he walks through doors, he immediately slams the door behind him, no matter how many people are right there, waiting to go out the same door.
That's just an a-hole. Regardless of nationality.
This is fantastic content. You are teaching me a lot about Chinese-Western culture.
Happy to hear that! thanks for watching!
I love international students as an educator because you can actually see the cultural difference between a child that was born with everything handfed to them versus ones that worked to get to where they're at. Even as an ABC, it took a lot for me to get over the prejudices taught to me by my elders about Chinese country vs city folks and wave the flag of defeat that, in reality, most of those from the countryside are actually extremely intelligent and have a high will to adapt overseas.
So this explains all the chinese international students in my college as well as the ones that only wear designer and hypebeast clothes.
My university here in Finland mostly consists of Chinese and Indian students too. I guess the school has had to cooperate with Chinese universities in order to have enough money to survive or something. It isn't a problem, but I can't sometimes understand the lectures due to the English accent.
ahhh it’s a tough situation to be in for sure!! a lot of universities struggle to make ends meet without the cash cow that is international students!
You brought up the issue of "not speaking english well" briefly, but imo that's the most root problem. One of the main ways introverted students meet new people (and for all the reasons you describe international students usually are functionally like introverted people) is from group projects (b/c they're mandatory), and group projects are a hassle if you have difficulty communicating with group members (for god's sake even if you do, getting people to actually get stuff done in a timely manner, or at all, is generally a pain), so everyone else is naturally disinclined to work with the international students.
Given how significant international student income is to schools, there is next to zero chance they'd place additional requirements on language ability, so I feel like this trend is pretty set to continue.
from my experience working in a group project with international students, I found it fine as we just communicated in Chinese however I have a friend who is a local Student that was in the same class, but in a different group, and I remember him telling me that he really struggled because he almost had to do all of the work as communication was just not enough
@@klaize_ That was almost the rule of thumb when I was in highschool and college. Multiple times I voluntarily did all the work b/c it was such a hassle to coordinate other people.
I remember in AP Physics C, we had to write an essay or report of some sort, and I hated just sitting in the library with 3 other people trying to finish it as a group. Seriously we were just sitting around talking about what we should write while one person waited at a keyboard. I hated it so much that I, no joke, offered to just write the report myself at home, and then I did. Think we got a B+.
You're so young, but these videos are sick. Watching the evolution of the craft is crazy. Keep killin it!
thank you so much! i really appreciate it!
What a great video, it has actually shaped my perspective on this, I want to be more open to people coming from China to study in Australia
It’s given me a new perspective
thank you!! i really appreciate u watching this with an open mind!
I'm a Chinese international student in Canada, finished bachelor in Uoft and just started MEng at Western. How I got used to make friends with people of all races and cultures is irrelevant. But what happened was that, I went to one of the first classes of the semester with an Indian friend I just made. There were Chinese asking whether other east asian looking individuals whether they were Chinese, whether they spoke mandarin etc. They skipped me however, seeing me discussing with my Indian friend. Really funny, maybe they think Im CBC or something.
hahaha that’s awesome!! good luck with your studies!
@ruilinpeng 😂I heard western civil engineering in structural discipline is good. Is it hard to get in? My gpa is average. Is there a pre-master program for MEng?
@@youwuyou Bruh, really don't know about civil engineering. Personally, my gpa at Uoft was pretty bad, but I still got the offer. Never heard of pre-master unfortunately.
@@ruilinpeng3204 don't worry, it is very hard to get a good grade in UoT though. A Msc in the civil engineering industry is a game changer. But when I was looking at western MEng and Uottawa MEng program and I found almost all 10 courses are core subjects. This is what a course based master should look like. Good luck with your study. U of Calgary Meng is trash, 4 management courses.
I am not chines, but I was an international student in the US. I was the only student from my country/region in my years there, because my country decided that they will no longer send more students to that particular university for a while (the pause was temporary), so I was one of the few last student to be sent there from my country. I desperately wanted to make local American friends, because I did not want to be one of those isolated international students who only talk to their own people (I couldn't talk to my own people even if I wanted to, cause I was one of the few final students to be sent there. Also, I'm not social in my own country nor do I have many friends in my hometown). when I arrived to the US, I joined clubs in my university and talked to my classmates often in an attempt to make meaningful friendships, but no one was interested in anything more than casual chatting in classrooms. Even in the video game & board game club where I was the only international student surrounded by Americans, I felt slightly out of place. Everyone in that club knew each other, and I was the new person there. After a few meetings with the gaming club (which was actually fun to be honest with you!), I invited them to come to my apartment to resume our game since the university is about to close for the day for some scheduled maintenance. Non of them was interested in coming. I tried going to bars, used meet up apps/websites, and many more other resources to make American friends, but no one was interested. And by "friends" I mean someone you hangout with outside of university, not just an acquaintance you talk to in class, or between shared breaks before a common class.
To be fair for those students, I was attending a commuter school located in the middle of a mid/large-sized city where almost all students lived away in the suburb, so there was not much of a campus life there. The campus itself was small relatively speaking. I always assumed that's why students were not interested in making friends, and just wanted to finish their class to they can drive/take the bus back to their home and family/friends.
All in all, it was a sad/lonly, and fun experience simultaneously. I spent many days alone not talking to other people, since they all already had their already established friend group. However, I did get the occasional fun time on my own by going to concerts (where I attended a metal band I listened to online for years and finally got to see them in real life!), bars, and attending a few local parades here and there (in addition to other activities). Sure, going alone sucks, but I got to experience many things I would never be able to experience in my hometown. I am even contemplating going back to the US for my PhD (not necessarily the same university) in a few years. Hopefully, my older future self will learn how to make friends there unlike my dumb 20 year old self who couldn't lol.
hey, what do you mean when you said you have fun? I think its hard to find fun things to do when you are alone
As someone who lives less than a 10 min car ride from both MIT and Harvard, there's a load of so called "Fuerdai". A lot of the time they're disrespectful as well looking down on people cause of their wealth.
I’m sorry, that’s the case! A lot of the time i find the arrogance, is almost used as a defence mechanism as they don’t understand how to properly communicate and in a sense are just scared
I didn't even realize how large of a Chinese international student population we had at our school until I saw an event held for them. Usually, they disappear into the background and don't interact with the general student body for some reason. Even walking around campus, you'll rarely see them.
I also realized why tuition was so high and why the school was so generous with scholarships for everyone when I found out international students pay *full price* and don't qualify for grants and domestic scholarships. The colleges are effectively treating them as money bags.
Language barriers and cultural differences prevent foreign students from approaching US students often. Do you initiate contact with them? You might, but in my experience, few US students do.
Very insightful and well-researched video essay. Hope to watch more content from you!
thank you!! and will do :)
Science and Engineering isn't really objective. On the surface it may seem that way, but the holy grail is to think outside the box and be right.
@@Terra-v5l I kinda disagree with you on that one. Every time someone come up with something new in a STEM field, it’s not that they think outside of the box, it’s just that they’ve reached a corner of the box no one else has. They are still subjected to the same laws and rules others are subjected to.
It's not about being right but about proving you are. Lots of STEM jobs require good communication with your stakeholders and management.
Common misconception is that there are no creativity in STEM field but its the opposite. The more creative you are the more desirable for these higher paying jobs.
Yeah thinking outside of the box is important for development of science, but applied science aka engineering rewards it less.
@@callmeandoru2627 known science rules and laws doesn't have to be the limit.
as an international student, most chinese students go back home after completing their course. the country is getting their money and they're not trying to stay here, what's the problem?
It takes up places that could be available for domestic students
alot of internationals chineses I know are all trying to immigrate here to US after graduation
@@Jason-lc9pytrue I know some people are like that
He literally states in the video that they intend on finding legal loopholes
@@theowainwright7406 maybe it's different because I'm in the uk, but 80-90% of internationals here are doing masters which locals barely ever do. is it different in the usa?
One of the worrying sign from the problematic culture in China eroding at the youth, is how acceptable it is in to find "unconventional" means to "achieve" a goal. During the pandemic, speaking to some of the under and post-grad at universities, it seemed alarming me to how many international students were willing to cheat their exam. While I made some money off of it, it is irksome. It demonstrates to me how both China and the West failed to impart something they both raved about, the goal of education.
The students, especially internationals, see universities as degree factories and no longer as a place of learning, and acted accordingly. I really cannot blame them looking at the model they employed. Universities pour billions into marketing, massive construction and expansion projects while simultaneously cutting budget for departments and reduce teaching staff. Many institution no longer help students to get internship by cutting down those programs.
The long term effect of this on the work force remains to be seen, I just hope it won't come as a nasty surprise.
I’m really curious about how universities will function in a few years time. Maybe like a decade since I have a feeling more stringent regulations will soon be employed as it seems to be quite an issue for many international students and a lot of them are finally realising how bad the experience is
eh. As an "international student" having just finished my degree in the UK at one of the best universities in the world, I've seen way too many instances of cheating and I've been profoundly disappointed with the lack of moral fabric of many people. A lot of those cheating were native uk residents. Probably a lot of chinese too but i was not in those circles. I despise cheating and find it morally abhorrent but I can't control other people's choices. I feel like universities cannot seriously crack down on it because many modules are graded on projects or work done over months(dissertations) so it is much more difficult than for exams as they can't watch over you doing it lol. If you get a friend to write up your entire dissertation how could they ever know. especially if that friend is not in the same department cross checking is basically impossible. Idk, I am fervently anti-cheating but after what i've seen and experienced during my degree I feel a bit hopeless with respect to solving the problem.
Regarding the degree factory etc. Imo those are all excuses people with no or weak morals use to justify themselves. Society is not responsible to make you not cheat you have to be honest to yourself.
I go to school with a lot of Chinese students, I think over half of the class. I noticed from day 1 all of them kind of spending time with only other Chinese students and as a result went out of my way to actually interact with them, become friends with them, and introduce them to the other students. It wasn't always successful and I stopped if they seemed uncomfortable but I've had some successes! In turn, they've shown me chinese cultural practices, and we've had a lot of great talks. Shoutout to Mai, Wei, Mengmeng, Jingnan, and Xinyi.
I can see your channel going places, keep up the good work! ❤
Thank you so much I really appreciate it