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@@earth2saka Says who? Aegon is last person who would know it as he was unconcious, and only know that they got wrecked. And Criston Cole said he was long in dying so STILL NOT DEAD.
Cole questioning of the ideals that he once lived by, being corrupted by them, realizing it’s all meaningless in the face of the annihilation that awaits them all is very quintessential asoiaf. Honestly one of the best scenes of the whole show and kudos to the writers because they did a fantastic job with his character in season 2, added a lot more humanity to him
I find it ironic yet fitting that Cole and Daemon come to essentially the same conclusion about their meaning in the grand scheme but both reach it and respond to it in completely different ways.
Ryan Condal and his team wrote this season with a 10 episode arc. They finished the scripts around Jan 2023. Then in March, HBO/WBD told them they had to cut their budget. With a writers' strike ongoing, completely rewriting everything to move the climax to episode 8 was a difficult thing to do. Especially if having the CGI required for that battle would likely be impossible given the budget constraints. If anyone is to blame for this, it is David Zazlov and the executives at Warner Bros. Discovery. Now that they have decided to wrap up the series in just 2 more seasons, hopefully they can pace the show out properly to give it proper season/series finales. And *hopefully* WBD gives them the necessary money to make it.
Great, so put Rahena on a green puppet in the studio and draw a dragon in post afterwards. Start the Battle of the Gullet. Have Aemond look Daemon in the eye. Do something. Anything. Just not nothing.
with how reception has been going, if anything I expect budget to be cut even more. This season is already much lower in terms of ratings and viewership numbers.
I would've settled for at least seeing Rhaena bond with her dragon and take off toward Dragonstone to join up with everyone else. After watching her run all that time at least give us that, esp since this season was all about discovering new dragon riders.
It's been confirmed by an actor during a podcast, that s2 was originally 10 episodes long. But ONE MONTH before the start of production, HBO (well... Warner Bros) cut it down to 8 episodes, asked the writers to make a rewrite... but then the writers' strike happened, and the writers were not allowed to actually rewrite the season. This is why we got what we got. It's also confirmed that the decision has been made to put what was supposed to be in eps 9 and 10, as a first episode for s3. So actually, 3x01 will kinda be what was meant as the ending of s2. As for my theory as to who has Otto Hightower: I'd say Mysaria has him.
I swear no one remembers what was said this season. There is kinda another war happening with Hightowers and Beesburies. It's more likely that Greyjoys captured him than hecking Aemond or Mysaria 😂
I don't know what it is but the quote "The dragons dance, and men are like dust under their feet" is just such a great line and accurately describes when the dragons do battle. I love it!
@@Vurawn410 ngl there was a lot of scenes/dialogue that i was a huge fan of this season and not particularly bothered by this season at all just sucks we gotta wait 2yrs for it to all pay off in season 3.
17:40 My favourite thing about this scene is Helaena telling Aemond about his fate in multiple tenses. “YOU'LL be dead. You WERE swallowed up in the God’s Eye, and you ARE never seen again.” Future, past, present. It’s all jumbled together for her. I really love that detail.
The satyr creature was a Green Man from the Isle of Faces. In the middle of the God's Eye lake right next to Harrenhall there is a massive forest of Heart Trees
@@kaijutrainer2913 We thought he meant physically strong, but clearly he meant 'Strong' as in the surname. The current owners of Harrenhal, it makes total sense 🤯
Because they cut the battle for the Gullet and Rhaenyra taking Kings Landing which was supposed to be the season 2 finale and moved it to the start of season 3
Well, HBO had budget issues so if there was more episodes/there'd been one of the upcoming big battles, they couldn't have done justice to it. Furthermore, there was the writer's strike: they couldn't tweak or rework the script. They had to work with what they had, and considering the many issues, I think they did a good job :) Not perfect ofc, but understandable and still enjoyable
32:36 Melisandre did say "Prophecies are dangerous things," because they're only getting flashes of things to happen and they need to interpret through in order for it to play out. I loved this finale. Reminded me of the season 6 finale of GoT where we waited around for Danearys to get her stuff together before finally sailing to Westeros with her dragons and knowing we have a 2 year wait!
Daemon probably thought that Daenerys comes from his and Rhaenyra's lineage, which is a fact. That's why he knelt down and finally recognized her as queen. Ryan Condal, the showrunner, confirmed that Daemon thinks Daenerys will be his daughter with Rhaenyra. We know that's not exactly what it is, but Daemon doesn't know that, and interprets it that way. I liked this, even though the ending was weak.
Fact from the book, Daemon never had those visions of the future he never touched the tree and he never went to Harenhall in the first place, this was all changed for the show to connect it with Game of Thrones. He always served Rhaenyra and he went to Riverlands to gather an army for her.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139 Firstly, Daemon absolutely did go to Harrenhal in F&B. He took it just like he did in the show, by landing Caraxes on top and SImon Strong surrendering without a fight and then rose a host from there. Secondly, F&B is written from the perspective of people who were there and observed the events, not from a bird's eye view. Therefore, the people writing about the Dance would not know about Daemon's wavering loyalty to Rhaenyra, which makes perfect sense given his lifelong coveting of his brother's throne. You're right that the vision from the weirwood was added to connect to GoT, but I really don't have a problem with it narratively.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139fact: Daemon did go to Harrenhal in the books, and as a non-POV character, we have absolutely no insight into what visions he did or did not have. Is it unlikely the book version had the same experience the show character did? Yes. Is it impossible? No.
@@Cuprous-ne5ss I think its time to stop "the book has unreliable narrators" as an excuse for the shitty writing in the show. The book had whole another characters, Nettles, Kermit, Elmo etc. The show didnt cut them because "well the book is unreliable" its because they wanted to cut it.
@ianwestc, I’m cracking the fuck up 🤣🤣🤣…. She was fine anyway Syrax had that overview so if she wanted to rain down fire on the men below that would be easy cake for her
Honestly I feel bad for the writers of this season. You can really tell how they were set up for 10 episodes and then got screwed by the higher ups when they forced them to cut it to 8 due to those funding issues at Warner Brothers, and then reportedly the writer's strike literally forced them to not change basically anything when they would have wanted to (take those claims/rumours with a grain of salt off course, but I buy them). Episodes 9 and 10 were clearly supposed to be the payoff for 5-8 just as 4 was the payoff for 1-3, with the (spoiler) sea-battle and the assault on (spoiler) being a double-finale to end the season on a banger with after repeatedly hinting and foreshadowing those events. Because yeah (least spoilery spoiler ever, but skip this if you want zero spoilers) the sequences of events is pretty much, Rhaenys dies at Rook's Rest, Rhaenyra finds more dragonriders and gives them some basic training, and then more-or-less the day she prepares to set off to storm into King's Landing the Triarchy navy comes ROARING into the Gullet, straight into the rear of the Velaryon blockade and royally ruining everyone's day, both their own and Rhaenyra's. Won't spoil anymore than that. THAT was clearly what was supposed to be the big thing for penultimate episode 9. After that bloodbath, the finale was clearly meant to be Rhaenyra picking up the pieces she has left with and setting of for KL, as she very very clearly is about to do at the end of this episode. Again, I won't spoil anymore than that. If you believed Rhaenyra was about to die, I'm sorry for spoiling you (though you really need to get your head checked if you thought that George would do all this buildup and preparation for nothing). Instead some penny-clinging caused this season to be 7/8ths buildup. A mostly very good season of buildup mind you, at least imho, but a season of buildup nonetheless. And now instead of having two pretty expensive seasons, they've pushed so much battles and action to season 3 that they're looking at an EYE-WATERING budget for that one. Congratulations, you f-ing morons, you played yourselves and needlessy annoyed the fans in the process.
Yeah absolutely this, you're right. came here to mention this. I dont agree w everything they did this season, some things are weird and felt (alicents characterization took a sudden turn at the start in service of accelerating to where they wanted to go) but its not all their fault. I hope they go back to 10 episodes for s3 and s4.
Apparently they were told a month before filming started which is insane. No wonder we got early info on a battle being cut, that stuff would have already been in the middle of pre-production
They had to cut the last two episodes from the show because Warner Bros. slashed their budget at the last minute in anticipation of the writers strike. The last two episodes were very battle heavy and they weren't given enough time to rework the scripts before they had to be turned into the network. So they ended the season on episode 8, which is them riding off into battle. Originally the show wa supposed to only run 3 seasons but was awarded a 4th in order to end it on the right note. So if the ending is anti-climatic, it isn't really their fault.
4:33 I'm only just realizing what this moment meant and how poorly it was executed. I personally thought it was King's Landing burning. It was later explained via exposition that this was another small castle town we've never heard of. But the underlying point this was meant to convey was that Aemond simply went and torched a random family who'd sworn to the Blacks, without any battle plans or council discussion. This was really bad storytelling and certainly could have been omitted in favor of actually getting to a real punchline for the season.
Someone pointed out on another reaction, Ulf is just a relaxed uncle having dinner with the first family he has had in who knows how long. He's just so happy to be there. Look how he grabbed and hugged Jace when he found out who he was. Everybody at that dinner he considers family because they ARE. They all share the blood of Dragonlords. Even the ones that aren't his half-brother's descendents. They still have the blood of Old Valarya.
I mean he has to know it's rude to mention Jace's bastardy while touching his hair. I get that he's a commoner with no manners but even peasants know that you probably shouldn't insult a royal prince or mention his lack of legitimacy as the heir. The way Ulf did it came off as very provocative and insulting for no reason. He was kind of being a dick and I find that odd. He may be a simple man but he shouldn't be acting braindead by insulting royalty.
26:29 speaking of a game I wish they would make an alternate timeline version of Game of Thrones as an open world video game like Jedi Survivor or Destiny type of vast open game. Letting you choose which house you wish to play as. Also getting to play as a Targaryen with you reaching level 10 your dragon egg hatches and as your character levels up so does your dragon. Winning upgrade points to increase certain attributes in your dragon. Eventually reaching a level with your dragons big enough to fly on. Also say you pick house Stark then you get a Direwolf
Alicent agreeing to behead Aegon and open the gates to the side of her grandson's killer was the dumbest thing I've seen in a while. I guess Alicent just kind of forgot that she made Aegon king out of fear of her sons being killed by Rhaenyra as they'd have the stronger claim than her. What does she think will happen to Daeron, her young and kind son who's marching with the hightower host? She's doomed ALL of her sons because she didn't get her way in a war she started
You do know a lot of things changed for her since then right. And she didn't start the war, that's ridiculous the show very plainly showed that it was happening already no matter what she did. She had zero effect on it.
@@BrendanBeckett She started it on her own, and then realized that everyone else was already on board. That's a moot point. And yeah, a lot of things changed for her. She refused to counsel Aegon when he sought her out for it and called him useless, which made him so insecure he rode out and crippled himself trying to fight Rhaenys alone to prove himself. She then gets removed from the council by Aemond, and following a swim IMMEDIATELY betrays everything she held dear to offer her son's head to Rhaenyra. You gotta be doing some crazy mental gymnastics to think any of that makes sense with the established character. In addition, how the fuck is she getting over to Dragonstone immediately following Aemond's "Check all ships coming to and from King's Landing" bit? Did the writers kind of forget? Did Grand Maester Orwyle fly her over on a fucking raven?? There are so many things wrong with this last episode and I'm astonished at the defense for the GOT S8 tier writing of Alicent and Rhaenyra's scene in particular.
@@BrendanBeckett And also she forgot about her grandson who was beheaded that she had to parade through the city with, she didn't even think to mention it when Rhaenyra demands a son for a son she just complies after looking a little anxious.
@@Fireground42 "She started it on her own, and then realized that everyone else was already on board." If you recall, she's been bending over backwards to NOT start a war over it, so no, she did not start anything either in reality or in her intention. Then she realized just how bad Aegon was, he got mangled to the point where death might be a mercy, Aemond took over and is totally psycho, she lost all her power, and she found out she was wrong about Visery's wishes. Of course that's likely to change her stance massively, it would be weird if it didn't. Add to that her realization that there is about to be mass death and destruction beyond what she ever imagined possible, and that she can prevent it. At this point it would be bad writing if she didn't have a radical change of heart. Things like how she got to Dragonstone are so nitpicky that it kind of blows my mind. Is it that hard to imagine the Grand Maester has ways to sneak out? You're just searching for things to support your opinion at this point. To compare this episode to anything in season 8 is ludicrous, this is a 10/10 episode that didn't work well as a finale.
Felt more like a middle season episode but had some great acting moments. Alicent and aemon fighting over helaena was good, and addam to corlys was very good
I haven’t seen a cliffhanger cliffhanger this hard since the word cliffhanger was used to describe what a cliffhanger is at the end of a movie or television show to only then go on to be used as a title for the movie Cliffhanger starring Sylvester Stallone.
@@govinddas7876 Yes! On TikTok I believe HBO releases BTS interviews AFTER episodes air and I had seen that one. Hugh and Addam’s actors were almost in disbelief lmao
@@govinddas7876 Yes! I saw I think on HBO’s TikTok account they post after episode BTS interviews and talk about shooting the episode and how they did certain things.. it’s super cool! :))
My favourite scene was the confrontation with Otto, the actor and writing were terrific. The last few episodes haven't felt even like the same writers. Still I have enjoyed both seasons overall.
More like it shows how she's a relatively insignificant part of a bigger whole into which she'll pass and join history before long. If it was meant to show what you say, they would've made the shape more distinct, more unique. But it's the same as everyone else's, just not filled in yet.
@@earth2saka I like that, sounds better. However, in contrast to Alicent’s scene Rheanyra has the weight of her name to carry in this civil war while once again Alicent is finally free of that pressure after so long
Alicent betraying her children, brother and lover Criston isnt freedom. Just shitty writing from a lesbian writer that thinks removing men from your life means freedom. Even your own sons. Geeta Patel the director has said Rhaenyra wanted to go with Alicent and abandon her own children which is just insane. Apparently a strong woman is a woman who abandons her own children.
ruined Alicents character completely. Ends season 1 standing face to face with a dragon to protect her son, ends season 2 selling him out to die after all he suffered.... awful writing. Book Alicent would rather die than betray her sons
@@whatisreddin7367 We still have 2 seasons to go.. I doubt this will actually be her last time in the show. Chill my dude, the show is based off the books not an exact translation of them. Just enjoy it for what it is.
I get what Eric is saying regarding Winter is Coming and how it’s hard not to think about the outcome because as an audience we know. I just try to take the show for what it is and separate it or else I won’t enjoy it. I do this with Star Wars as well lol.
This whole "let me show you how we got to this point" culture we have in media nowadays is unoriginal and bland af. HotD suffers even more because it's standing in GoT's shadow. Big shoes to fill.
There are several theories about the dead dragons Daemon saw. One "breakdown" channel thought they were from the Doom. But, there are sounds of battle in the background. And Daemon transitions to a field of dead soldiers. Another possibility is a specific battle from the events of the Dance. Dragons who will fall during the Dance. Yet another possibility is the night of the Slaughter. When the smallfolk overrun the Dragonpit and massacre the dragons and eggs there. I think it is a battle we will see in the series.
Pretty sure Lohar may have been attracted by Tyland (maybe not), but the reason the Essosi don't care about male primogeniture is because they respect strength. And getting pregnant herself would leave her more vulnerable. Hence the wives.
This was episode 8 alright... of a 10 episode season. It's a shame, but I really hope HBO don't cut the budget for this. They're gonna need money to fix it with season 3 and 4.
It seems clear with the timeline that it was HBO/WBD that cut the budget after the 10 episode season was written. And Ryan Condal is towing the company line and not rocking the boat so he can finish his story.
@@CraigKostelecky yes, they wrote ten episodes and didn't have time to rewrite it with the strike looming. If they had begun rewriting and not finished in time they would've had to postpone the whole production. This could've worked as an 8 episode season, there were pointless fillers here and there, but they would've needed time to rework it.
@@earth2saka sure am. Abubakar Salim (Alyn of Hull) is a trustworthy and capable person of making this character his own and as shown he added more to the role. knew of him from Raised by wolves (only watched that show in the interest of Travis Fimmel) and also Voice acting Bayek of Siwa from Assassins Creed Origin which is frkn awesome
There was a triarchy commander like this in the books named Racallio Ryndoon-they’ve merged him with Lohar who is barely described apart from being a triarchy Admiral. Ryndoon often wore a dress, had multiple wives who he preferred pregnant, but clearly was a man who died his hair and beard blue. It’s not mentioned if Ryndoon played much of a role in the Dance-he led the fleet that attacked the Stepstones between Daemon and Corlys conquering them and the Dance and he survived into the reign that follows the Dance.
idk how this show can give me such stunningly beautiful writing of a knight so disillusioned with the institution he serves, completely shattered by the code of honor he's supposed to follow, so guilt-ridden with his own sins while being self-aware enough to know there's no absolution, then turn around and write alicent's "liberation from patriarchy" arc as framed around the complete abandonment of her conscience, her love for her children and her duty to her family. like, make it make sense.
I really like you guys pointing out that Ulf's ignorance is also partly him not buying into the monarchy bullshit. A lot of fans got pissed off at him for being disrespectful. I get we're all simps of certain monarchs in the show, but at the end of the day, the whole "divine right of kings," fictional or otherwise, is propaganda to keep oppressing the working class aka small folk.
We can call it propaganda; but, sadly, people on both sides of the class divide, believed it in our history. The better monarchs subscribed also to the part of the divine right doctrine that dictated monarchs should protect and help their people as well as expect "fealty"/obedience from them...
His behaviors match what he has known his whole life. When we see him at the bar we see him having a great time and getting drunk. He has never been to a feast, and probably has never spoken to a lord or someone of royalty. I also think he now see's himself as one of them due to having his own dragon. This parallels Hugh, who we see caring for his family, and even speak in a respectful manner when asking Aegon for help.
For me I think it’s important to remember that while they’re from the same network/studio this show and GOT are not the same. I know that D&D said that they knew the ending to the series but I’ve always thought that it was gonna end differently to the book. If, God willing, we ever see the end of the books I wouldn’t be surprised at all of the ending was completely different from GOT. Plus, George is still heavily involved it this show so perhaps the prophecy holds more weight than we think.
I know people are decisive about the tie in vision, but hearing traitor from Brynden Rivers and seeing him as he was when he became the tree eyed raven was bad ass. And hoping that will be the actor casted to play him in Knights of the Seven Kingdoms.
Because that vision never happened in the book, Daemon never saw any visions, he never touched the tree, he never went to Harenhall and the voice that said traitor was meant for that other guy he spoke with in the last episode.
@tomislavmuskovic4139 right, that's because Grand Maester Glydayn wouldn't have known any of that, Mushroom or Maester Munkun wouldn't have wrote about or known either.
@@chrisretzlaff2895 Stop with the 'unreliable narrator in the book' excuse. They cut out several characters from the books that were public figures that 100% were alive. So clearly they're changing from the books.
@govinddas7876 Maelor and a couple of minor characters as of now have been cut. Nothing that makes a huge difference. The big one that people are saying is Nettles, and I'm not entirely sure that character has been cut. I think the restructer just won't introduce her until the first episode of Season 3. Maybe why Rhaena didn't hop on that dragon.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139Daemon did go to Harrenhal in the books though. He captures it without a fight same as in the show. When Daemon tells Rhaenyra a son for a son it’s via a raven sent from Harrenhal. If you’re going to try and use the books to back your claim at least make sure you’re right about what you’re saying.
So the connection between Daemon, Rhaenyra, and the future is that their line will lead directly to Jon and Dany. If they hadn't won this war or moved the pieces around, it's quite likely their descendants would not have been born. Jon, in particular, was instrumental in mobilizing the forces to stand against the threat beyond the wall. You don't necessarily have to be happy about the way the Game of Thrones saga ends, but to say there's no connection is not really true. It's very much connected through the Targaryen line. And that part of the line is D&R's. Also, the horned man outside by the Godwood tree, before Daemon went to touch it, is likely one of the inhabitants of the Isle of Faces which sits in the middle of the God's Eye lake outside of that castle. They are magical beings very much connected to the old gods.
The Satyr was a Green Man. They're a secret order of men who reside in the Isle of Faces, which is the island you can see from Harrenhal. They're one of the most interesting and obscure parts of the lore, and the scene alludes to them truly being connected to the Old Gods. In the books, Jojen and Meera's dad, Howland Reed, visited the Isle of Faces and studied with the Green Men as a young man.
apparently the season was written as 10 episodes and got cut to 8 with only 1 month until filming... plus writers strike. explains why this doesnt feel like a final episode
I think the Song of Ice & Fire is an important part of the show. We know in GoT non Targaryens come to know the prophecy that was only passed King to Hier, until some point before Robert’s rebellion. So the fact we know there are beings guiding the story beyond the King to Hier secret is important! I do hope HOTD explores it more because it gives it a good spring board for a spin off or even prequels as sequels kind of thing would be cool.
The vision scene is really cool. I would love to see some crazy stuff like the Hodor reveal with Helena’s Dragon Dream like her being the one to wake up Jon Snow when he is revived. That would be really cool.
Season 2 needed to be 10 episodes with the battle of the gullet and kings landing adapted. Now we have to wait 2 years for that + many other events that scare me budget and time wise.
Alicent was so insane here... Talking about viserys being sustained but really she's using viserys to express her OWN feelings again. And "come with me" is literally deranged of her.. for all this seasons flaws (mostly due to factors working against it), olivia cooke never misses
Great reaction Wave Crew! Those armies at the end tho', feels like Season 3 will definitely be Battle Focused (Battle of the Gullet & Battle on the God's Eye) - hopefully it'll be 10 episodes, with 5 episodes for each Battle. Anyway, looking forward to next season!
Eric not being able to control the intrusive impulse of quoting Triumph the insult comic is the most relatable thing I’ve ever seen on this channel. 10/10. No Notes.
I felt like when we see Helaena repeating her line from Damon's vision but from an outside pont of view she was saying it to herself, not to Daemon. Like if she was accepting that she needs to be a part of this war
Finally, in this last episode I became fond of the characters. In my opinion this last episode is well written... and honestly a lot of things happen. And it's a season finale like the first 3 seasons of Got where the last episode was a preparation for the next one
May have been a build up but it's basically the midway point in this whole series. People call it filler, I call it exposition. I writing, directing, design and acting was phenomenal. They did what they could having a budget cut and writing for 10 episodes but being forced into 8. The writer strike effected this and the production company. But they did make art and I still loved it. And I know they will be prepared for s3 and 4.
Wdym Three-Eyed Raven SEND Daemon a vision? Daemon is the one who put his hand on the tree himself, he himself had the vision. He's a greenseer. For anyone who didn't see the clues, look up GrayArea's and Grey Waste Tim's videos about it, it makes sense.
Except for the fact that this never happened in the book, Daemon never had any visions, never touched the tree, never went to Harenhall in the first place so all this was a big change from the book.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139 you didn't read the book. He DID go to Harrenhal, he did interface with the tree, he strikes it 13 times. There's tons of details in book that allude to him being a greenseer. Watch GrayArea's and Grey Waste Tim's videos on the subject.
@@ToonRaiderhe’s not a greenseer but green dreams can be brought on through magic. We have no evidence that he had the visions or interfaced with the tree. He DID however strike the tree thirteen times and the wounds still bleed to the present day. I liked the dreams but there isn’t actually much hinting to the visions.
As easy as it is to discount Ulf, I could see them easily doing a switch on us, make him ultimately the one that is reliable, or at the very least saves the day in some fashion, and that one of the others might die/desert/betray in the end.. it's just one of those shows that things aren't always as they as initially shown
34:32 this is a feudal system you need to see it in that perspective and not in a modern context. In a world of chaos this system no matter how unfair we think it is worked to keep order.
The Bloodraven (Three Eyed Raven) is born I believe about 50 years after HOTD but my math could be off so yeah.. crazy. Bryndan Rivers (Bloodraven) is the son of Aegon 4th.. In this show Aegon is still the 2nd.
In the books I’m pretty sure brynden or whatever he name is was born like 45 yrs after the dance of the dragons. So it’s not exactly generations but it’s still a fair distance. Pretty cool. Also could be wrong
They left sunfyre at rooks rest bc it seemed like they were dying slowly. So it’s to be assumed they are dead. Most likely have a surprise reunion of sunfyre coming back to aegon somewhere in the next season
Varys in GoT also says Nettles rode Sheepstealer but she was cut from HOTD all the same. These dogshit showrunners are literally just making fanfiction. dont be surprised if the say "sunfyre surviving rooks rest was just green propaganda 🤓"
So...a question Where is corlys's army? They are gonna fight the essos pirates with just one ship? And why there is no dragon with them? Shouldn't Rhaenyra sent one with them? I had so many questions that left unanswered Like where is criston Cole will going or Jason lannister destination which left unanswered
Corlys's army is the blockade around Kings Landing that the pirates are going after. Cole was going to Harrenhal from the south and Lannisters were going to Harrenhal from the west
The rest of the fleet is blockading King's Landing. The flagship was being repaired all season. Shitstain Cole and the Lannisters are both marching to Harrenhal.
@@Toaster7 You do know that Rhaena is Nettles in the show, right? They literally merged the characters. Not saying I prefer it, but having Nettles in there would surely be more correct to the source material.
No, and that matches the book quite well. After blood and cheese they slept separate. After Rook's Rest she does not even make an attempt to visit him. The death of her kid pretty much causes her to spiral into depression, talking to no one, and rarely eating.
A real bummer HBO cut the season short. It was a great episode, but not a real finale. As for Alyn, I now wonder if his armour is perhaps a bit too elaborate for his position. I wonder if next season we learn that Corlys felt so much guilt that he acknowledged his son(s).
"Leave me again at your own peril" *super tense and stern vibe* "I can't leave you. I've tried." Killed the tension immediately. That was also, like, a super reassuring way of putting it. Like "You've already seen my at my least loyal. And I couldn't even leave you then."
A massive open world game letting you travel all around Westeros. Then download DC upgrades to the game letting you travel across the narrow sea and if your a dragon rider then you can begin a massive conquest. I believe a game like this would make HBO Max and GRRM dump trucks filled with money to do the many shows there wanting to do
Abubakar Salim FUCKING KILLED IT as Alyn in his speech to Lord Corlys. As someone whose own father abandoned me and my mother I know exactly where he’s coming from. And like him I would rather “decline any offers of help” from him.
If the Three-Eyed Raven is going back in time and showing visions to daemon of what will/could be …kinda messing with the past depending on who else they show visions to…could this ultimately change the future 😮
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Sunfyre is certainly not dead, not just going off the books, but also in GOT when Joffrey spoiled the ending of the Dance.
Sunfyre's dead af bruh, get over it.
@@earth2saka Says who? Aegon is last person who would know it as he was unconcious, and only know that they got wrecked. And Criston Cole said he was long in dying so STILL NOT DEAD.
Simon Strong’s loyalty to Rhaenyra is beyond! 👏🏻
Never in my life have I ever seen someone so happy to be so wrong!!!!!
@@scotthewitt258 🤣
"Oh dear"
MVP of the whole season
I’m mad that his face was out of focus when he was clapping because it looked like he such a happy little face
I’m a bit disappointed we only got a 5 second glimpse at Tessarion, but hot damn they went all out with Sheepstealer’s design.
Sheepsteeler looks like he smokes cigarettes and listens to death metal
@@changinlooks1 Goth Dragon confirmed
Ohhhhh Tessarion is gonna be so prettyyyyy. Those few seconds of her were gorgeous. Even from a distance.
I personally think Sheepstealer isn't big enough. It looks smaller than Syrax. It should be much bigger.
That should be jaehaera dragon. Literally named “death.”
Cole questioning of the ideals that he once lived by, being corrupted by them, realizing it’s all meaningless in the face of the annihilation that awaits them all is very quintessential asoiaf.
Honestly one of the best scenes of the whole show and kudos to the writers because they did a fantastic job with his character in season 2, added a lot more humanity to him
probably my favourite scene along with the Alyn Corlys scene. Cole felt like the most grounded character in the show in that scene for me.
if they did good job he would be more epic and actual Kingmaker he is not
jaime 2.0? or maybe jaime 0.5 lol
I find it ironic yet fitting that Cole and Daemon come to essentially the same conclusion about their meaning in the grand scheme but both reach it and respond to it in completely different ways.
Ryan Condal and his team wrote this season with a 10 episode arc. They finished the scripts around Jan 2023. Then in March, HBO/WBD told them they had to cut their budget. With a writers' strike ongoing, completely rewriting everything to move the climax to episode 8 was a difficult thing to do. Especially if having the CGI required for that battle would likely be impossible given the budget constraints. If anyone is to blame for this, it is David Zazlov and the executives at Warner Bros. Discovery. Now that they have decided to wrap up the series in just 2 more seasons, hopefully they can pace the show out properly to give it proper season/series finales. And *hopefully* WBD gives them the necessary money to make it.
David Zaslav has been a fucking catastrophe for the entertainment industry.
Great, so put Rahena on a green puppet in the studio and draw a dragon in post afterwards. Start the Battle of the Gullet. Have Aemond look Daemon in the eye. Do something. Anything. Just not nothing.
with how reception has been going, if anything I expect budget to be cut even more. This season is already much lower in terms of ratings and viewership numbers.
Exactly. Why buy a car if you can't afford to put gas in the tank?
I would've settled for at least seeing Rhaena bond with her dragon and take off toward Dragonstone to join up with everyone else. After watching her run all that time at least give us that, esp since this season was all about discovering new dragon riders.
It's been confirmed by an actor during a podcast, that s2 was originally 10 episodes long. But ONE MONTH before the start of production, HBO (well... Warner Bros) cut it down to 8 episodes, asked the writers to make a rewrite... but then the writers' strike happened, and the writers were not allowed to actually rewrite the season. This is why we got what we got. It's also confirmed that the decision has been made to put what was supposed to be in eps 9 and 10, as a first episode for s3. So actually, 3x01 will kinda be what was meant as the ending of s2.
As for my theory as to who has Otto Hightower: I'd say Mysaria has him.
I don’t think Mysaria has the resources to have snatched him. I think maybe he’s being held by House Beesbury and Daeron will rescue him.
I swear no one remembers what was said this season. There is kinda another war happening with Hightowers and Beesburies. It's more likely that Greyjoys captured him than hecking Aemond or Mysaria 😂
I don't know what it is but the quote "The dragons dance, and men are like dust under their feet" is just such a great line and accurately describes when the dragons do battle. I love it!
It's hard to hate Cole when he delivers lines like that
Yeah that whole speech from Cole was top-tier writing. Didn’t have enough of that this season.
@@Vurawn410 ngl there was a lot of scenes/dialogue that i was a huge fan of this season and not particularly bothered by this season at all just sucks we gotta wait 2yrs for it to all pay off in season 3.
Especially 2nd tumbletom
Perfectly said!
17:40 My favourite thing about this scene is Helaena telling Aemond about his fate in multiple tenses. “YOU'LL be dead. You WERE swallowed up in the God’s Eye, and you ARE never seen again.” Future, past, present. It’s all jumbled together for her. I really love that detail.
She says "you were never seen again", not "are". Nice try though.
Technically she’s wrong tho
The satyr creature was a Green Man from the Isle of Faces. In the middle of the God's Eye lake right next to Harrenhall there is a massive forest of Heart Trees
Robert Baratheon running around Harrenhal dressed like a half-man, half-deer monstrosity
Gods he was strong then!
That’s one of the green men from the isle of faces. Idnt think they were mentioned in game of thrones, but they’re a big part of the lore
@@kaijutrainer2913 We thought he meant physically strong, but clearly he meant 'Strong' as in the surname. The current owners of Harrenhal, it makes total sense 🤯
Nah this is some DEEP lore sht. Those who know know.
START THE DAMN WAR BEFORE I PISS MESELF!!!
Felt like a lead up to a finale episode. And not the actual finale episode.
They blew it huh
Because they cut the battle for the Gullet and Rhaenyra taking Kings Landing which was supposed to be the season 2 finale and moved it to the start of season 3
A solid episode 8 in a 10 episode season... which this was not
Well, HBO had budget issues so if there was more episodes/there'd been one of the upcoming big battles, they couldn't have done justice to it. Furthermore, there was the writer's strike: they couldn't tweak or rework the script. They had to work with what they had, and considering the many issues, I think they did a good job :) Not perfect ofc, but understandable and still enjoyable
they could have made it a 10 episode season easy…
they matched each other’s freaks in the mud
32:36 Melisandre did say "Prophecies are dangerous things," because they're only getting flashes of things to happen and they need to interpret through in order for it to play out. I loved this finale. Reminded me of the season 6 finale of GoT where we waited around for Danearys to get her stuff together before finally sailing to Westeros with her dragons and knowing we have a 2 year wait!
Daemon probably thought that Daenerys comes from his and Rhaenyra's lineage, which is a fact. That's why he knelt down and finally recognized her as queen. Ryan Condal, the showrunner, confirmed that Daemon thinks Daenerys will be his daughter with Rhaenyra. We know that's not exactly what it is, but Daemon doesn't know that, and interprets it that way. I liked this, even though the ending was weak.
Fact from the book, Daemon never had those visions of the future he never touched the tree and he never went to Harenhall in the first place, this was all changed for the show to connect it with Game of Thrones. He always served Rhaenyra and he went to Riverlands to gather an army for her.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139 Firstly, Daemon absolutely did go to Harrenhal in F&B. He took it just like he did in the show, by landing Caraxes on top and SImon Strong surrendering without a fight and then rose a host from there. Secondly, F&B is written from the perspective of people who were there and observed the events, not from a bird's eye view. Therefore, the people writing about the Dance would not know about Daemon's wavering loyalty to Rhaenyra, which makes perfect sense given his lifelong coveting of his brother's throne. You're right that the vision from the weirwood was added to connect to GoT, but I really don't have a problem with it narratively.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139fact: Daemon did go to Harrenhal in the books, and as a non-POV character, we have absolutely no insight into what visions he did or did not have. Is it unlikely the book version had the same experience the show character did? Yes. Is it impossible? No.
@@Cuprous-ne5ss I think its time to stop "the book has unreliable narrators" as an excuse for the shitty writing in the show. The book had whole another characters, Nettles, Kermit, Elmo etc. The show didnt cut them because "well the book is unreliable" its because they wanted to cut it.
@@Cuprous-ne5ss Did you somehow miss Season 1 when it was shown Daemon never wanted his brothers throne to begin with lol.
Brynden Rivers (A. K. A. Bloodraven) was a grandson of Viserys Targaryen (youngest son of Rhaenyra & Daemon Targaryen). Who also wielded Dark Sister.
“Maaan! If this dragon doesn’t accept her {Rhaena} as a rider…she ran all that way for nothing and died tired.”
😂 That tickled me… 25:59
I like how Rhaenyra left Seasmoke & Addam flying CAP, just in case Daemon was up to something and tried to flee.
One reviewer mentioned Rhaenyra took the only available dragon spot, so Addam had to keep circling looking for parking.
@ianwestc, I’m cracking the fuck up 🤣🤣🤣…. She was fine anyway Syrax had that overview so if she wanted to rain down fire on the men below that would be easy cake for her
daemon is not aemond to flee lol
@@Droidd1993 She had no idea what he might do.
They also do not know how close Green forces, with a dragon, might be.
He couldn't do shit to Caraxes. Also fighting them both would still be the easiest 1v2 for Daemon 🤣
17:40 -- The Three-Eyed Raven, aka Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers will show up in The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms series next year.
Question for the patrons, did the guys miss Tessarion in the full length?
Also Aemond told Larys to find Otto, Larys probably had him captured and dipped.
Honestly I feel bad for the writers of this season. You can really tell how they were set up for 10 episodes and then got screwed by the higher ups when they forced them to cut it to 8 due to those funding issues at Warner Brothers, and then reportedly the writer's strike literally forced them to not change basically anything when they would have wanted to (take those claims/rumours with a grain of salt off course, but I buy them). Episodes 9 and 10 were clearly supposed to be the payoff for 5-8 just as 4 was the payoff for 1-3, with the (spoiler) sea-battle and the assault on (spoiler) being a double-finale to end the season on a banger with after repeatedly hinting and foreshadowing those events.
Because yeah (least spoilery spoiler ever, but skip this if you want zero spoilers) the sequences of events is pretty much, Rhaenys dies at Rook's Rest, Rhaenyra finds more dragonriders and gives them some basic training, and then more-or-less the day she prepares to set off to storm into King's Landing the Triarchy navy comes ROARING into the Gullet, straight into the rear of the Velaryon blockade and royally ruining everyone's day, both their own and Rhaenyra's. Won't spoil anymore than that. THAT was clearly what was supposed to be the big thing for penultimate episode 9.
After that bloodbath, the finale was clearly meant to be Rhaenyra picking up the pieces she has left with and setting of for KL, as she very very clearly is about to do at the end of this episode. Again, I won't spoil anymore than that. If you believed Rhaenyra was about to die, I'm sorry for spoiling you (though you really need to get your head checked if you thought that George would do all this buildup and preparation for nothing).
Instead some penny-clinging caused this season to be 7/8ths buildup. A mostly very good season of buildup mind you, at least imho, but a season of buildup nonetheless. And now instead of having two pretty expensive seasons, they've pushed so much battles and action to season 3 that they're looking at an EYE-WATERING budget for that one. Congratulations, you f-ing morons, you played yourselves and needlessy annoyed the fans in the process.
Yeah absolutely this, you're right. came here to mention this. I dont agree w everything they did this season, some things are weird and felt (alicents characterization took a sudden turn at the start in service of accelerating to where they wanted to go) but its not all their fault. I hope they go back to 10 episodes for s3 and s4.
Nah the corporate higher ups will just tell them to use far away blurry shots to save some of their hard earned pensions.
Apparently they were told a month before filming started which is insane. No wonder we got early info on a battle being cut, that stuff would have already been in the middle of pre-production
They had to cut the last two episodes from the show because Warner Bros. slashed their budget at the last minute in anticipation of the writers strike. The last two episodes were very battle heavy and they weren't given enough time to rework the scripts before they had to be turned into the network. So they ended the season on episode 8, which is them riding off into battle. Originally the show wa supposed to only run 3 seasons but was awarded a 4th in order to end it on the right note. So if the ending is anti-climatic, it isn't really their fault.
4:33 I'm only just realizing what this moment meant and how poorly it was executed. I personally thought it was King's Landing burning. It was later explained via exposition that this was another small castle town we've never heard of. But the underlying point this was meant to convey was that Aemond simply went and torched a random family who'd sworn to the Blacks, without any battle plans or council discussion. This was really bad storytelling and certainly could have been omitted in favor of actually getting to a real punchline for the season.
A Targaryen misinterpreting another Vision is hilarious. Just like Daenerys thinking the ash was snow 😭😭… IYKYK
Someone pointed out on another reaction, Ulf is just a relaxed uncle having dinner with the first family he has had in who knows how long.
He's just so happy to be there. Look how he grabbed and hugged Jace when he found out who he was. Everybody at that dinner he considers family because they ARE. They all share the blood of Dragonlords. Even the ones that aren't his half-brother's descendents. They still have the blood of Old Valarya.
He's an old chummy uncle who then starts asking about his cut of the inheritance 😂
I mean he has to know it's rude to mention Jace's bastardy while touching his hair. I get that he's a commoner with no manners but even peasants know that you probably shouldn't insult a royal prince or mention his lack of legitimacy as the heir. The way Ulf did it came off as very provocative and insulting for no reason. He was kind of being a dick and I find that odd. He may be a simple man but he shouldn't be acting braindead by insulting royalty.
Ulf should know how to "read the room" a little better. I can see him becoming a problem and he's very open to becoming corrupted by power.
2 years till we enjoy another together, but it was an awesome season watching your reactions. Till next we watch!
26:29 speaking of a game I wish they would make an alternate timeline version of Game of Thrones as an open world video game like Jedi Survivor or Destiny type of vast open game. Letting you choose which house you wish to play as. Also getting to play as a Targaryen with you reaching level 10 your dragon egg hatches and as your character levels up so does your dragon. Winning upgrade points to increase certain attributes in your dragon. Eventually reaching a level with your dragons big enough to fly on. Also say you pick house Stark then you get a Direwolf
Alicent agreeing to behead Aegon and open the gates to the side of her grandson's killer was the dumbest thing I've seen in a while. I guess Alicent just kind of forgot that she made Aegon king out of fear of her sons being killed by Rhaenyra as they'd have the stronger claim than her.
What does she think will happen to Daeron, her young and kind son who's marching with the hightower host? She's doomed ALL of her sons because she didn't get her way in a war she started
You do know a lot of things changed for her since then right. And she didn't start the war, that's ridiculous the show very plainly showed that it was happening already no matter what she did. She had zero effect on it.
@@BrendanBeckett She started it on her own, and then realized that everyone else was already on board. That's a moot point. And yeah, a lot of things changed for her. She refused to counsel Aegon when he sought her out for it and called him useless, which made him so insecure he rode out and crippled himself trying to fight Rhaenys alone to prove himself. She then gets removed from the council by Aemond, and following a swim IMMEDIATELY betrays everything she held dear to offer her son's head to Rhaenyra. You gotta be doing some crazy mental gymnastics to think any of that makes sense with the established character. In addition, how the fuck is she getting over to Dragonstone immediately following Aemond's "Check all ships coming to and from King's Landing" bit? Did the writers kind of forget? Did Grand Maester Orwyle fly her over on a fucking raven?? There are so many things wrong with this last episode and I'm astonished at the defense for the GOT S8 tier writing of Alicent and Rhaenyra's scene in particular.
@@BrendanBeckett And also she forgot about her grandson who was beheaded that she had to parade through the city with, she didn't even think to mention it when Rhaenyra demands a son for a son she just complies after looking a little anxious.
@@Fireground42 "She started it on her own, and then realized that everyone else was already on board." If you recall, she's been bending over backwards to NOT start a war over it, so no, she did not start anything either in reality or in her intention.
Then she realized just how bad Aegon was, he got mangled to the point where death might be a mercy, Aemond took over and is totally psycho, she lost all her power, and she found out she was wrong about Visery's wishes. Of course that's likely to change her stance massively, it would be weird if it didn't. Add to that her realization that there is about to be mass death and destruction beyond what she ever imagined possible, and that she can prevent it. At this point it would be bad writing if she didn't have a radical change of heart.
Things like how she got to Dragonstone are so nitpicky that it kind of blows my mind. Is it that hard to imagine the Grand Maester has ways to sneak out? You're just searching for things to support your opinion at this point. To compare this episode to anything in season 8 is ludicrous, this is a 10/10 episode that didn't work well as a finale.
@@Fireground42 Because she knows Rhaenyra wasn't responsible for that.
Felt more like a middle season episode but had some great acting moments. Alicent and aemon fighting over helaena was good, and addam to corlys was very good
It was. There were 10 episodes then some higher up decided it'll be 8 smdh.
I think Larys is the one behind Otto kidnapping
Same!
I haven’t seen a cliffhanger cliffhanger this hard since the word cliffhanger was used to describe what a cliffhanger is at the end of a movie or television show to only then go on to be used as a title for the movie Cliffhanger starring Sylvester Stallone.
Cinemasins possessed your soul and wrote this
@@miketrujillo3677 they may have but in all honesty I did come up with that on my own
And it will make you interested for season 3, so it did its job
@@maggierappa417 I am interested yes but the finale was unfulfilled for me
@@maggierappa417 Yea but it diminishes Season 2 for me. We basically got edged for two seasons.
Fun fact Ulf’s actor ate about 2 quails per attempt at that dinner scene lmao
Ended up eating like 30 in a day
thats hilarious lmao was there a BTS or something?
@@govinddas7876 Yes! On TikTok I believe HBO releases BTS interviews AFTER episodes air and I had seen that one.
Hugh and Addam’s actors were almost in disbelief lmao
Seems perfectly in character then. Ulf would absolutely eat 30 little birds.
@@govinddas7876 Yes! I saw I think on HBO’s TikTok account they post after episode BTS interviews and talk about shooting the episode and how they did certain things.. it’s super cool! :))
I would puke from eating that much. Jesus.
My favourite scene was the confrontation with Otto, the actor and writing were terrific. The last few episodes haven't felt even like the same writers. Still I have enjoyed both seasons overall.
I can not believe bloodraven just appear so cool can not wait for season 3
Orwyle is apparently the most capable man in westeros lol
That shot of Rhaenyra at the end represents the weight of history on Rheanyra’s back and Alicent is finally free of the life she was forced into
More like it shows how she's a relatively insignificant part of a bigger whole into which she'll pass and join history before long. If it was meant to show what you say, they would've made the shape more distinct, more unique. But it's the same as everyone else's, just not filled in yet.
@@earth2saka I like that, sounds better.
However, in contrast to Alicent’s scene Rheanyra has the weight of her name to carry in this civil war while once again Alicent is finally free of that pressure after so long
Alicent betraying her children, brother and lover Criston isnt freedom. Just shitty writing from a lesbian writer that thinks removing men from your life means freedom. Even your own sons.
Geeta Patel the director has said Rhaenyra wanted to go with Alicent and abandon her own children which is just insane.
Apparently a strong woman is a woman who abandons her own children.
ruined Alicents character completely. Ends season 1 standing face to face with a dragon to protect her son, ends season 2 selling him out to die after all he suffered.... awful writing. Book Alicent would rather die than betray her sons
@@whatisreddin7367 We still have 2 seasons to go.. I doubt this will actually be her last time in the show.
Chill my dude, the show is based off the books not an exact translation of them. Just enjoy it for what it is.
I get what Eric is saying regarding Winter is Coming and how it’s hard not to think about the outcome because as an audience we know. I just try to take the show for what it is and separate it or else I won’t enjoy it. I do this with Star Wars as well lol.
This whole "let me show you how we got to this point" culture we have in media nowadays is unoriginal and bland af. HotD suffers even more because it's standing in GoT's shadow. Big shoes to fill.
It's a Green Men!!! They guard the Isle of Faces in the middle of God's Eye. They are the ones who carved the faces into the Trees!
There are several theories about the dead dragons Daemon saw.
One "breakdown" channel thought they were from the Doom. But, there are sounds of battle in the background. And Daemon transitions to a field of dead soldiers.
Another possibility is a specific battle from the events of the Dance. Dragons who will fall during the Dance.
Yet another possibility is the night of the Slaughter. When the smallfolk overrun the Dragonpit and massacre the dragons and eggs there.
I think it is a battle we will see in the series.
Pretty sure Lohar may have been attracted by Tyland (maybe not), but the reason the Essosi don't care about male primogeniture is because they respect strength. And getting pregnant herself would leave her more vulnerable. Hence the wives.
I really doubt sunfyre is dead
Aegon said hes dead?
No you don't, you know he's not hahahah
@@Randomyoutubecommenter it would be a major difference from the book
@@Randomyoutubecommenter look man I’m not gunna spoil shit. But I really doubt sunfyre is dead. Aegon probably thinks he is but nah
@@zVizzionssick
***Aegon THINKS Sunfyre is dead.
I was gonna say is it really confirmation she is just cause Aegon said so? 😅
This was episode 8 alright... of a 10 episode season.
It's a shame, but I really hope HBO don't cut the budget for this. They're gonna need money to fix it with season 3 and 4.
It seems clear with the timeline that it was HBO/WBD that cut the budget after the 10 episode season was written. And Ryan Condal is towing the company line and not rocking the boat so he can finish his story.
@@CraigKostelecky yes, they wrote ten episodes and didn't have time to rewrite it with the strike looming. If they had begun rewriting and not finished in time they would've had to postpone the whole production. This could've worked as an 8 episode season, there were pointless fillers here and there, but they would've needed time to rework it.
I think Larys had Otto imprisoned before he even left Kings Landing and can now get close to Aegon so he can be Hand.
The blue-haired pirates are Tyroshi or whatever they would be called. Many Tyroshi dye their hair blue and other bright colors.
Abubakar Salim is a fucking legend. I loved him as Bayek in AC Origins.
Really excited for what they have in store for more of Alyn of Hull
Are you sure about that? 😏
@@earth2saka sure am. Abubakar Salim (Alyn of Hull) is a trustworthy and capable person of making this character his own and as shown he added more to the role. knew of him from Raised by wolves (only watched that show in the interest of Travis Fimmel) and also Voice acting Bayek of Siwa from Assassins Creed Origin which is frkn awesome
There was a triarchy commander like this in the books named Racallio Ryndoon-they’ve merged him with Lohar who is barely described apart from being a triarchy Admiral. Ryndoon often wore a dress, had multiple wives who he preferred pregnant, but clearly was a man who died his hair and beard blue. It’s not mentioned if Ryndoon played much of a role in the Dance-he led the fleet that attacked the Stepstones between Daemon and Corlys conquering them and the Dance and he survived into the reign that follows the Dance.
hearing Daenerys themesong during Daemons vision gives me goosebumps
Caraxes saw Syrax and Seasmoke pull up and said “Thank the seven f**ks! I’m SO BORED!”
Syrax not sunfyre
Sunfyre?
@@changinlooks1 fake fan 🤣🤣🤣
Not a fake fan just 45 years old and types the wrong name. I fixed it
@@changinlooks1 fair ❤️🐉🐲
Thank you for the DISCUSSION.
idk how this show can give me such stunningly beautiful writing of a knight so disillusioned with the institution he serves, completely shattered by the code of honor he's supposed to follow, so guilt-ridden with his own sins while being self-aware enough to know there's no absolution, then turn around and write alicent's "liberation from patriarchy" arc as framed around the complete abandonment of her conscience, her love for her children and her duty to her family. like, make it make sense.
I really like you guys pointing out that Ulf's ignorance is also partly him not buying into the monarchy bullshit. A lot of fans got pissed off at him for being disrespectful. I get we're all simps of certain monarchs in the show, but at the end of the day, the whole "divine right of kings," fictional or otherwise, is propaganda to keep oppressing the working class aka small folk.
We can call it propaganda; but, sadly, people on both sides of the class divide, believed it in our history. The better monarchs subscribed also to the part of the divine right doctrine that dictated monarchs should protect and help their people as well as expect "fealty"/obedience from them...
His behaviors match what he has known his whole life. When we see him at the bar we see him having a great time and getting drunk. He has never been to a feast, and probably has never spoken to a lord or someone of royalty. I also think he now see's himself as one of them due to having his own dragon. This parallels Hugh, who we see caring for his family, and even speak in a respectful manner when asking Aegon for help.
For me I think it’s important to remember that while they’re from the same network/studio this show and GOT are not the same. I know that D&D said that they knew the ending to the series but I’ve always thought that it was gonna end differently to the book. If, God willing, we ever see the end of the books I wouldn’t be surprised at all of the ending was completely different from GOT. Plus, George is still heavily involved it this show so perhaps the prophecy holds more weight than we think.
"For me to pop on" 😂😂
All Triumph and Conan fans loved that.
I know people are decisive about the tie in vision, but hearing traitor from Brynden Rivers and seeing him as he was when he became the tree eyed raven was bad ass. And hoping that will be the actor casted to play him in Knights of the Seven Kingdoms.
Because that vision never happened in the book, Daemon never saw any visions, he never touched the tree, he never went to Harenhall and the voice that said traitor was meant for that other guy he spoke with in the last episode.
@tomislavmuskovic4139 right, that's because Grand Maester Glydayn wouldn't have known any of that, Mushroom or Maester Munkun wouldn't have wrote about or known either.
@@chrisretzlaff2895 Stop with the 'unreliable narrator in the book' excuse. They cut out several characters from the books that were public figures that 100% were alive. So clearly they're changing from the books.
@govinddas7876 Maelor and a couple of minor characters as of now have been cut. Nothing that makes a huge difference. The big one that people are saying is Nettles, and I'm not entirely sure that character has been cut. I think the restructer just won't introduce her until the first episode of Season 3. Maybe why Rhaena didn't hop on that dragon.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139Daemon did go to Harrenhal in the books though. He captures it without a fight same as in the show. When Daemon tells Rhaenyra a son for a son it’s via a raven sent from Harrenhal.
If you’re going to try and use the books to back your claim at least make sure you’re right about what you’re saying.
So the connection between Daemon, Rhaenyra, and the future is that their line will lead directly to Jon and Dany. If they hadn't won this war or moved the pieces around, it's quite likely their descendants would not have been born.
Jon, in particular, was instrumental in mobilizing the forces to stand against the threat beyond the wall.
You don't necessarily have to be happy about the way the Game of Thrones saga ends, but to say there's no connection is not really true. It's very much connected through the Targaryen line. And that part of the line is D&R's.
Also, the horned man outside by the Godwood tree, before Daemon went to touch it, is likely one of the inhabitants of the Isle of Faces which sits in the middle of the God's Eye lake outside of that castle. They are magical beings very much connected to the old gods.
15:17 so that little creature with the horns might have been a green man. A bunch of religious people who follow the old gods
The Satyr was a Green Man. They're a secret order of men who reside in the Isle of Faces, which is the island you can see from Harrenhal. They're one of the most interesting and obscure parts of the lore, and the scene alludes to them truly being connected to the Old Gods. In the books, Jojen and Meera's dad, Howland Reed, visited the Isle of Faces and studied with the Green Men as a young man.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought of force projecting when that daemon scene came up😂
apparently the season was written as 10 episodes and got cut to 8 with only 1 month until filming... plus writers strike. explains why this doesnt feel like a final episode
Bran said in GoT that there were many three eyed ravens before him
I think the Song of Ice & Fire is an important part of the show. We know in GoT non Targaryens come to know the prophecy that was only passed King to Hier, until some point before Robert’s rebellion. So the fact we know there are beings guiding the story beyond the King to Hier secret is important! I do hope HOTD explores it more because it gives it a good spring board for a spin off or even prequels as sequels kind of thing would be cool.
We’re getting Knight of the Seven kingdoms next year. The Bloodraven cameo was probably meant to build hype for that.
The vision scene is really cool.
I would love to see some crazy stuff like the Hodor reveal with Helena’s Dragon Dream like her being the one to wake up Jon Snow when he is revived. That would be really cool.
Season 2 needed to be 10 episodes with the battle of the gullet and kings landing adapted. Now we have to wait 2 years for that + many other events that scare me budget and time wise.
Alicent was so insane here... Talking about viserys being sustained but really she's using viserys to express her OWN feelings again. And "come with me" is literally deranged of her.. for all this seasons flaws (mostly due to factors working against it), olivia cooke never misses
Did you catch the word _"traitor"_ whispered in the god's wood (around 8:10)?
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Great reaction Wave Crew!
Those armies at the end tho', feels like Season 3 will definitely be Battle Focused (Battle of the Gullet & Battle on the God's Eye) - hopefully it'll be 10 episodes, with 5 episodes for each Battle.
Anyway, looking forward to next season!
Eric not being able to control the intrusive impulse of quoting Triumph the insult comic is the most relatable thing I’ve ever seen on this channel. 10/10. No Notes.
I felt like when we see Helaena repeating her line from Damon's vision but from an outside pont of view she was saying it to herself, not to Daemon. Like if she was accepting that she needs to be a part of this war
Finally, in this last episode I became fond of the characters. In my opinion this last episode is well written... and honestly a lot of things happen. And it's a season finale like the first 3 seasons of Got where the last episode was a preparation for the next one
May have been a build up but it's basically the midway point in this whole series. People call it filler, I call it exposition. I writing, directing, design and acting was phenomenal. They did what they could having a budget cut and writing for 10 episodes but being forced into 8. The writer strike effected this and the production company. But they did make art and I still loved it. And I know they will be prepared for s3 and 4.
Wdym Three-Eyed Raven SEND Daemon a vision? Daemon is the one who put his hand on the tree himself, he himself had the vision. He's a greenseer. For anyone who didn't see the clues, look up GrayArea's and Grey Waste Tim's videos about it, it makes sense.
Except for the fact that this never happened in the book, Daemon never had any visions, never touched the tree, never went to Harenhall in the first place so all this was a big change from the book.
@@tomislavmuskovic4139 you didn't read the book. He DID go to Harrenhal, he did interface with the tree, he strikes it 13 times. There's tons of details in book that allude to him being a greenseer. Watch GrayArea's and Grey Waste Tim's videos on the subject.
@@ToonRaiderhe’s not a greenseer but green dreams can be brought on through magic.
We have no evidence that he had the visions or interfaced with the tree.
He DID however strike the tree thirteen times and the wounds still bleed to the present day.
I liked the dreams but there isn’t actually much hinting to the visions.
Maybe it’s important which Targaryen’s lived in particular to ensure dany and Jon’s birth
As easy as it is to discount Ulf, I could see them easily doing a switch on us, make him ultimately the one that is reliable, or at the very least saves the day in some fashion, and that one of the others might die/desert/betray in the end.. it's just one of those shows that things aren't always as they as initially shown
He’ll definitely switch up just not in the way you think 😂
Helaena is wearing the same dress in both Daemon's vision and the scene with Aemond on the balcony. I too think she was actually in the vision
34:32 this is a feudal system you need to see it in that perspective and not in a modern context. In a world of chaos this system no matter how unfair we think it is worked to keep order.
I'm not totally satisfied with the last episode but the music in the end was absolutely insane I get goosebumbs everytime
I might be wrong but I believe when Allicent walk out, that might be the first time we've heard a piano in this show, ever.
@@hlfbldprincess i think there was a piano piece at the end of s01e05 when Cole tries to kill himself and Alicent stops him.
Streets are saying Ulf's actor ate 40 QUAILS during filming of the dinner scene.
He kept asking for "two more little birds!"
I'm already having a hard time waiting for season 3. 😭 This season was so good!
I like how Sheepstealer was like "W-W-Wha-WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HEEEERE?!"
It feels like there should be two more episodes in this season.
The Bloodraven (Three Eyed Raven) is born I believe about 50 years after HOTD but my math could be off so yeah.. crazy.
Bryndan Rivers (Bloodraven) is the son of Aegon 4th.. In this show Aegon is still the 2nd.
In the books I’m pretty sure brynden or whatever he name is was born like 45 yrs after the dance of the dragons. So it’s not exactly generations but it’s still a fair distance. Pretty cool. Also could be wrong
Sunfyre is certainly not dead, not just going off the books, but also in GOT when Joffrey spoiled the ending of the Dance.
THIS!!!!!
They left sunfyre at rooks rest bc it seemed like they were dying slowly. So it’s to be assumed they are dead. Most likely have a surprise reunion of sunfyre coming back to aegon somewhere in the next season
Well yes that’s our point because we paid attention to GoT 😂
Varys in GoT also says Nettles rode Sheepstealer but she was cut from HOTD all the same. These dogshit showrunners are literally just making fanfiction. dont be surprised if the say "sunfyre surviving rooks rest was just green propaganda 🤓"
@@whatisreddin7367 I don’t fw the show runners either but you bet your ass they’re not cutting Sunfyre out
God's eye is the lake with the isle of faces near harrenhall.
So...a question
Where is corlys's army? They are gonna fight the essos pirates with just one ship?
And why there is no dragon with them? Shouldn't Rhaenyra sent one with them?
I had so many questions that left unanswered
Like where is criston Cole will going or Jason lannister destination which left unanswered
Corlys's army is the blockade around Kings Landing that the pirates are going after. Cole was going to Harrenhal from the south and Lannisters were going to Harrenhal from the west
Try watching with the sound on and you'd hear the answers.
None of those are unanswered you just weren't paying attention by the sounds of things
@@TheRagzzz no need to be a rude bitch about it. If you dont wanna answer fk off.
The rest of the fleet is blockading King's Landing. The flagship was being repaired all season.
Shitstain Cole and the Lannisters are both marching to Harrenhal.
Not gonna lie, really wanted to see Rhaena riding Sheepstealer before it ended.
Really dissapointing we didn’t even get her claiming the dragon after half of the season building it up.
Nah we want to see Nettles riding Sheepstealer, not Rhaena
@@Toaster7 seems obvious that’s not happening
@@Toaster7 cant have Daemon cheating on Rhaenyra and making Rhaenyra look weak ~ Sara Hess probably
@@Toaster7 You do know that Rhaena is Nettles in the show, right? They literally merged the characters. Not saying I prefer it, but having Nettles in there would surely be more correct to the source material.
Otto does not leave King's Landing in the book, someone said.
The kidnapped thing is series specific.
I wonder if we will get an interaction between daemon and ulf the supposed “half-brothers” 😅
It’s weird to think Haelena and Aegon has kids. Did they even say one word to each other in this season?
Not really but that’s the point. It was an arranged marriage neither party wanted. They don’t love each other
No, and that matches the book quite well. After blood and cheese they slept separate. After Rook's Rest she does not even make an attempt to visit him. The death of her kid pretty much causes her to spiral into depression, talking to no one, and rarely eating.
A real bummer HBO cut the season short. It was a great episode, but not a real finale. As for Alyn, I now wonder if his armour is perhaps a bit too elaborate for his position. I wonder if next season we learn that Corlys felt so much guilt that he acknowledged his son(s).
"Leave me again at your own peril"
*super tense and stern vibe*
"I can't leave you. I've tried."
Killed the tension immediately.
That was also, like, a super reassuring way of putting it. Like "You've already seen my at my least loyal. And I couldn't even leave you then."
A massive open world game letting you travel all around Westeros. Then download DC upgrades to the game letting you travel across the narrow sea and if your a dragon rider then you can begin a massive conquest. I believe a game like this would make HBO Max and GRRM dump trucks filled with money to do the many shows there wanting to do
Larys has Otto, that's my prediction. He has the foresight and means to make it happen. Thanks for the reaction videos!
i love the reactions and ive been enjoying the show for sure!~
Abubakar Salim FUCKING KILLED IT as Alyn in his speech to Lord Corlys. As someone whose own father abandoned me and my mother I know exactly where he’s coming from. And like him I would rather “decline any offers of help” from him.
Great season, I enjoyed it much more than the first one, where the time jumps were too distracting for my taste.
The vision it was Blood Raven a long time before GOT.
If the Three-Eyed Raven is going back in time and showing visions to daemon of what will/could be …kinda messing with the past depending on who else they show visions to…could this ultimately change the future 😮