why does everyone think that dune stole from star wars? it was written way before star wars ever was thought up. 8 years in fact. 1965 for dune and 1973 for star wars.
the man is correct regarding shields. they can not be used on the sand in the open, the vibration turns the worms into a feeding frenzy. The laser guns are not really used too much because of shields. In the film's beginning, the Harkonans have their shields off because they are in the open desert. As far as this being a fantasy, its no mare a fantasy than "a long long time ago in a galaxy far away" ...really dude? D U N E didn't steal anything from STARWARS its vice versa.
That third guy Atriedes that fought against Feyd wasn't just an average soldier, he was "Lieutenand Lanville" the one Duncan called to after getting off his ship in Dune 1, and the one that said "Shields!" to all the Atreides soldiers when they were about to step foot on Dune off the ship, and the one that warned that they needed to shield the doors because the sun was rising too much. But..... he was also the fight and stunt co-ordinator on the crew. Dude is a real badass and I love that he got a role in the movies.
That actor is an accomplished martial artist, too. He was the main villain in Shanghai Noon and many other action films. His younger brother is a badass, too.
The Harkonnens literally explain this in the beginning of the movie when one of them rushes to try and turn it on while they're being ambushed by the Fremen.
Yeah, spice is the most important thing that explains the universe, but the Holtzman Effect, which accounts for shields and hovering, is nearly as important. That shields aren't being used most of the time in Part 2 is only implied in the film, but there's generally a good reason for them not to be (i.e., becoming unintended worm food and/or death by nuclear explosion)
Yeah, but if hundreds or thousands of soldiers are fighting and running, all that vibration would call the worms also. You might as well use a shield at that point....
Alia's character was probably the best change from the book. Her plotting with Lady Jessica in the womb made Lady Jessica's character extremely terrifying. Rebecca Ferguson is the Lady Jessica I imagined from the books. Hell of an acting performance.
Yeah plus I don't know how they'd get such a small child to behave like Alia, or if people would have reacted well to a toddler killing the baron. So even though I missed her, I think this was the best way to do it
Yep, I think for book "purists" who were upset that Alia was not included as a toddler, it's important to remember the challenges of trying to make that character believable on the screen. (A) It's pretty much impossible to get a kid that young to realistically deliver the speeches she gives in the book. The concept of it alone can be hard to take seriously. When I told my parents this change in the movie and what her role was in the book, they laughed just from me describing it in very basic terms. I wasn't even trying to play it up as humorous. (B) The alternative to trying to get a child actor who could reasonably deliver Alia's book lines would be to just create a CGI toddler to deliver them but of course that would be a massive challenge even for the best CG artists and I doubt either DV or Warner Bros would have been keen to shell out money like that for a character that could have a relatively easy and cheaper work around (Alia in the womb). (C) As you pointed out, an extra layer of sinister gets added when you can interpret Alia being this sentient being manipulating her mother from the womb. You take the miracle of birth and creation and twist almost into a category of demonic possession.
@@caseyh8386 I'll agree that it would be difficult to have a toddler Alia on screen and not have it look weird, or just confusing to people unfamiliar to Dune, but at the same time the changes feel somewhat disappointing. I still really enjoyed the movie, but I would have liked a more book-accurate Alia, as well as the timeline not having been shortened so much.
@@chaosbringer99I think I can agree somewhat with the timeline argument. It would have made more sense to have the insurgency gradually build in size and power. That said, I also don’t think the way it was done in Part 2 was bad either.
I don't know I think that change doesn't really matter, but I do feel like the movie is missing a lot of important context for the story and important aspects of the Fremen culture
I have no idea what Villeneuve, Fraser, Zimmer and Butler smoked when they created the scenes in Giedi Prime, but it is without a doubt one of the best audiovisual experiences I have had in a cinema, personally I think that Feyd's character was worth much more , but his introduction was incredible
not to mention that Villenueve actually gave an actual lore reason for why everything looks in black in white, instead of just going " because looks _cinematic_ and thats it"
I imagined all four sitting next to each other in a dense cloud of something, somewhere in the desert and discussing how they are gonna use infrared cameras :)
Villeneuve knew he wanted to do the planet/scene in B&W, but Fraser had the idea of using IR cameras (as he had in the past), so shot a scene with Roget Yuan (Lt Lanville). Villeneuve saw it & said "Bingo". (h/t to Collider, for the clip of the conversation.)
@@johnohrstrom5112 both Part 1 & Part 2 should have had the LOTR treatment of around ~3 hours theatrical cuts (or D.V. to shoot with a mind for the extended cuts later - which he didnt do cause he "doesnt believe in ext. cuts"). The result is: 2 films with ~2:30 runtime when both should have been at least 3 hours (+ potential extended cuts) - because of this both films suffer at certain points. 2 big missed opportunities and 2 big clear mistakes that D.V did, although his adaption is a masterpiece overall. I think the prime reason for this is that D.V. overcorrected after the "Bladerunner 2049" box office for Dune: Part 1 (one of the criticisms was the pace/runtime) and he is weary of 3/3+ hours runtimes since then.
To be fair, there was nothing coincidental about it. Eclipse's happen whether you want them to or not, and when you have millions of dollars of camera equipment and a boat load of photography/cinematography nerds, they're going to capture the moment. Coincidental is like something uncalculated and random happening in the spur of the moment.
What makes Feyd so much creepier to me is the comment that he's psychotic, plus the fact that he passed the box test means that he is in control of his animal instincts. We can see Rabban has no control over his animal instincts. That this means Feyd is wilfully choosing these actions.
41:28 I'm so glad Eric said this. I see people crapping on Butler for sound like Elvis when he is literally mimicking Skarsgard to perfection. Thank you Eric.
@@ElimusTakenPretty sure, that's the reason why they cast him. It's the same reason for Rebecca's casting as Jessica because both her and Skarsgard are Swedish, but she also resembles Charlotte Rampling when she was young. 😂
Yeah, and in the moment when he woke up he conveyed the change so well wordlessly that my wife and I, independently, both thought it wasn’t him coming back. I even briefly thought it was supposed to be Alia.
You gotta be kidding me… there no way blindwave got that mixed up, they catch so many things some channels miss and while they don’t restate that fact in this part I guess a lot of people needed that hand holding? ( I have a great memory so I personally didn’t but I have heard a lot of channels question the no shields for part 2, just suprised this channel did it too)
also they had laser weapons which was their biggest hindrance with shields which honestly made no sense to me why they would even consider shields if they were walking around with laser weapons
A nice touch was Feyd dreaming of Margot the night before they meet, showing that he too has some premonitions that come true because of his parallel bloodline with Paul.
The second half of this film just showed how much young talent is rising in the acting world. Timothee Chalamet's performance and others like Butler and Zendaya were all amazing, but Chalamet's performance as Paul Atreides was legendary
Zendaya was just terrible in this role, her constantly wearing her angry resting b face shows little to no range of emotion for me, by far she is the worst cast in the film outside of Christopher Walken who just felt like a Emperor with a Brooklyn accent. But I get it, they are both big names and draw in audiences so it's whatever.
I don't think she was terrible, 90% is great but when you're 90% and everyone else is almost perfect it does stand out. I didn't mind Walken either, but similar to Zendaya 90% does stick out when everyone else is killing it.
@@ALROD they did say in a bit of the movie that stilgar has an accent because he's from the south, so maybe the other Fremen with accents were also from there. More likely though, canonically she is the child of Liet-Kynes (the ecologist/judge of the change from the first movie) so she would maybe have adopted an accent that was "less typically fremen". but at the same time if its none of those, i have no idea why they didn't do it. I guess I'll get over it whenever I hear Feyd talk, because my god is Austin Butler (unexpectedly) good at the "old swedish man" voice
@@ALROD Shes not the only one who doesn't have an accent, it's stated explicitly that she's one of the young generation from Arakeeen who have more mixed voices. Her younger friends in the early scenes have the same accent pretty much.
Fun fact: throughout the whole movie, Stilgar is played like a comic relief everytime he says Lisan Al Gaib or show his faith, but the last time he says it, right before he enters the ship to fight the great houses is no longer funny, we don't laugh cause we know what it implies, he is no longer a believer, he's a fighter who believes, he is willing to give his live for his faith in the battlefield. And we know he'll probably die on it. The book even says it: paul says he won a great fighter but he lost a great friend.
I've seen this exact shit copy pasted so many times and whoever wrote it in the first place wasn't really cooking. Like you think it was played for laughs right after his speech in the South at the Fundamentalist gathering? If anything it's a slow transition to humor, not some sudden change right at the end.
Well, the real "funny" thing is that Stilgar was the "Master Manipulator" all along. He literally forced Jessica to take on the role of Reverend Mother. So, Paul could be the Lisan al Gaib He was Paul's greatest "believer". But maybe Herbert had another role for Stilgar. Remember the whole "Plans with-in Plans".... "Wheels with-in Wheels" that Herbert emphasized in the book. Again, it is not as easy to have "True Faith" in something you create yourself. Takes the whole "god" thing out of the prophesy. Stilgar was just making Paul into the weapon he needed to free the Fremen from the Universe that stole his people's resources. Made his people slaves. And hunted his people like rats. Stilgar played the "comic relief" well. He played everybody else even better.
i swear the music at the end and the shot of stilgar and the fremen getting on the ships makes me tear up. Just knowing these people are gladly going to their deaths to fight for a lie makes it such a powerful mix of emotions
I think it was better that Alia wasn’t born yet when Paul becomes Emperor because that shows how QUICKLY Paul rallied the Fremen to his cause. Emphasizes Herbert’s warning of charismatic leaders.
It's incredible to me the amount of reactions I've seen where the entire planned out attack in the third act is just looked right over. They put an entire sequence (with a map) describing what their plan is and people still go, "They missed with the missiles" or "did they do that so the debris would pass the shield, how can debris go through a shield?" Thank god Calvin is there to tell Aaron exactly what they just dedicated a scene to.
@sosayweall2509 "Here's the plan" *Paul describes the entire plan while camera pans it's focus to an illustration while he gives the orders. Gurney confirms he'll finish the attack at Arakeen.* Scene takes place two minutes later. How is that not conveyed enough? It's people just not paying attention to the dialog.
If you ever feel disappointed that the final Battle of Arrakeen wasn't longer like the Battle of Pellenor Fields, in the book it was only about a page long. Basically they blew up the Shield Wall, the worms came in, everyone shit, and then Paul and the Boys were walking into the palace.
Thank you for stating this fact. Same thing was true about not having time jump and Alia's role in the book. They were a few lines here and there. .... "Spice production was interrupted.... Paul and Chani's love grew...... Alia grew at an amazing pace". That was about it. Dune Part 2 handled these facts and actions way better than a 3 minute narration by Irulan of what happened in this time.
For as good as Herbert and Tolkien were, writing war/fight scenes and coming up with believable and complex battle and war tactics weren't exactly their strong suit. Entire sprawling battles are relegated to a few pages or blurbs that boil down to "the X fought the y, they stormed the gates and then X won after much intense Fighting"
Alia is actually 2 years old at the end of the book. She's 2 and speaks like an adult. Her first words were "I love you, Harah." Creepy as hell. In the book, she's the one who kills the Baron.
Alia is 2 years old, when Harah approaches Lady Jessica about how Alia speaking like an adult at that age is freaking out the Fremen in the sietch. She is about 4 or 5 years old when she kills the Baron.
32:07 Eric the doctor died in the last movie, the Baron killed him. This is a different guy (who also was in the last movie, but as a minor character) 32:21 He wasn’t drugged, the other two were
The last Atreides fighter in the arena is played by Roger Yuan, who was the movie's Fight Coordinator. His character was in Dune Part 1 and was captured during the Harkonnen attack and transported back to Geidi Prime.
I love the idea that they believe in the prophecy because it's coming true, but the Bene Gesserit wrote the prophecy to control them lol, rings true to real life
@@confused_lefty but things happened that weren't part of the prophecy that still led to the prophecy. Such as Paul being born as a male. The Bene Gesserit never accounted for that. Also they planted the seed of a savior myth on all the worlds that they sent their missionaries to. Not all of them would become the Kwisatz Haderach.
Considering Chris Walken was dancing in the Fatboy Slim clip for Weapon of Choice, with the lyrics "Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm", I'd say that's a nice cycle completed there
One aspect of this film that I appreciated (among so many) was how at the end when Paul and Feyd encounter one another Feyd seems to recognize Paul as a kind of kindred spirit, almost to the point of being in awe. This makes sense as they're are not only cousins but are both equal candidates for the role of kwisatz haderach. You almost get the sense that in another reality they might very well have been friends. Hell, they were originally supposed to marry one another since Paul was supposed to be a girl.
That was in part due to the changes they made by omitting Hasimir Fenring, the failed Kwisatz Haderach, from the movie. They kind of hybridized his character/story with that of Feyd Rautha to still carry those narrative beats but without the extraneous fluff.
About book Chani vs. movie Chani. Villeneuve explained his decision to make Chani more prominent in the movies and different from the books. The last movie will be about the 2nd book, Dune : Messiah. Herbert wanted to write a cautionary tale about messianic figures, like Paul is, and Paul changed a lot throughout the first 2 movies. "In the book, Chani disappears in the shadow of Paul. She's in the background. She's a believer. There's nothing special about her except that she's Paul's lover. There was an opportunity with her to show a critical distance with Paul."
I also heard that in the book, A lot of Paul's doubts about his role and being a tool of the Bene Gesserit were transferred to Chani. Is better than all the "inner" narration that is used in the book and Lynch's movie. Was better to have an actual character be the "doubter".
@@hayscollins5867 The books never took her out of Paul's life. Denis just added extra drama. Having Chani leave at end of Part 2 was tacked on. Not in book at all. Is good marketing and good film making. Added a cliffhanger and added tension.
The worms stay on the surface during riding due to their scales being pulled back. In the novel it goes into detail about how that works. Their scales are designed to keep sand out of their bodies and only going into their mouth to filter sand for organic matter. If and when a scale is pulled back, the sandworm will maintain level on the surface and keep the scale that is pulled back facing towards the sky to ensure no sand can go into a place that irritates it it and causes pain. Basically sand under their scales = bad. They won't risk diving due to it.
I understand that part but I'm still confused by multiple people getting on the worm. Do they all run along the Dune & hop on like the first rider? What's the slowest a worm can move? How do they all get off?
@@MikeS-ur2ql They all have to hook on it as it goes past, it's quite a process. They get off by riding the worm until it's tired and it slows down - if they aren't at the destination, they'll need to call another worm.
I think its a testament to Deni's filmmaking that I, having not read the book and knowing almost nothing about dune besides part 1, was able to pick up on all of that through just watching Paul ride for the first time.
I feel like the hype is a bit too much for these movies. I love Dennis Villeneuve, the Dune books and especially LOTR, and Dune 1 & 2 are definitely cinematic masterpieces, but I don't think they will live on as a legendary trilogy, the same as Lord of the Rings. Now, bring on the comments saying my opinion is stupid.
nah dune 1 and 2 are 2 films so making a dune messiah(even harde than even the first dune) would also be in 2 at least. i think the possible spiderverse trilogy is more likely to be this generations instead
@@HurricaneGaming509 The OT was proper cinema. It's hard to overstate how absolutely epic those movies were in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It helped that they had special effects that seemed impossible at the time - watching Star Wars was like peeking into the future of blockbuster movies. Back then there was mystery - glimpses at the corners of a living, breathing universe that was different than our own. Not every little detail was explained, but you felt like there was an explanation for everything. The story was a rip-roaring barnburner too.
Nice reaction. I'm glad to see how calm Rick and Calvin are being people with prior knowledge of the lore. They expanded on some info and even gladly referenced the 80s movie without disdain. Even with the changes in this movie, they seem to have enjoyed what they saw. So refreshing.
In the first scene when the Harkonen Cpt yells no shields, its not because of the worms. Worms go into a frenzy because of the shields, yes, but they were already standing on a rock formation safe from worms. They were being shot at with lasers, and when a laser hits a shield it creates a nuclear reaction and a mini atomic explosion. Thats why.
"A few changes" from the books in an understatement. By this point Paul and Chani already have a child (that dies during a Sardaukar attack on a sietch where he was hidden, almost at the same time that the Baron dies). Alia is 2 years old when SHE kills the Baron, not Paul... and Chani is way more understanding of Paul's journey.
The change to Chani, I really appreciated. She’s not just swept up like everyone else. It makes her a more interesting character and also a good indicator for Paul’s turn.
Which is cool because she is the strongest believer in him as a person. Their relationship feels so human but his turn into the prophecy is so wrong that she cant stay.
Agreed. The change makes sense for her character given the timeline of the film. She's not hardened by the loss of her child and the suffering of a parent like she was in the books.
Loved the reaction by Feyd when Paul yelled "Silence." Its subtle but you could see how he didnt take Paul as a serious challange until that happened. He reminds me of ironically Skaarsgard's character from King Arthur.
41:31 “He kinda sounds like Skarsgård” Apparently that’s on purpose; seems that Austin Butler (whether on his own or under direction from Villeneuve, I’m not sure) practiced making impressions of Skarsgård. Not only does that sell their familial connection, but it would make sense that Rautha would try to imitate his powerful uncle’s tone a little
I understand the change to the birth of Alia... because it's not likely they can do a CGI fight scene with a 2 year old without it looking ridiculous, between prequal Yoda or Chucky. Also, Javier Bardem was awesome... and so meme-able.
As well as the shields "A shield’s a death sentence in the desert. It attracts the worms and drives them into a killing frenzy." Said by Liet Kynes in the first movie. The in-book reason why shields aren't the default for all fights is because a las gun hitting a shield creates a result in a nuclear level explosion at both ends. Making it more risky for everyone.
Saw this in IMAX opening weekend and it was one of the best theater experiences ever. I read the first 2 books and both dune movies delivered. Can't wait for Dune Messiah.
By having Paul kill the Barron it reinforces his turn. He's embracing his Harkonnen, embracing revenge, something his father would not agree with. Also, the change with Chain adds stakes, it's not a happy ending. There is an immediate consequence. Both of these changes add to the narrative that Paul is not a classic hero. Now, some would argue he has become a villain, I see him more as a tragic hero who succumbed to all of the circumstances. The prophecy set him up, the Fremen, Jessica, Gurney etc. reinforce it and the well intentioned boy falls from grace. He was in a situation where he had no choice. Even Chani says he won't lose her, but, in this moment she calls him Paul Atreidis, not Usul saying in a way it's ok to embrace fully that side of him (before he learns that side is half Harkonnen). He's almost crying in that scene because he doesn't want to. The ONLY person in his world that would have been happy with him choosing his own way was Leto. We saw what happened to someone who was governed by the heart. The universe and every person in it set him up to dall and the only person who believed in just Paul was ruthlessly murdered.
people who say pauls evil cant see the grand picture EVERTHING he ever does once he can see the future and this "golden pathway" is for humanity only people who cant be seen by his forsight could disrupt this
I appreciate most of the changes. I am sure Chani will be back with some small changes to the story. IMO the changes to Jessica were GREAT. And I am glad that Alia is not walking like some super precocious 3 year old is also a great change.
Alia was one of those concepts Frank Herbert came up with and left me thinking "damn... Herbert was on the spice when he wrote that". Her not being Weird Murder Baby was a very good change. Plus Paul killing the Barron instead of Weird Murder Baby was extremely satisfying.
The biggest change was actually eliminating the Mentat Thufir Hawat and his entire role, which I was surprised that neither Rick nor Calvin mentioned having read the books.
Ya, but they changed his story in part 1 too, there was never any plot about Jessica being a traitor. A lotta changes from the book actually, way more in part 1, but part 2 is just reflecting the choices made in part 1.
Denis did say that because the Dune story is so dense he chose to more focus on the benegesserit and not the mentats. Which to be fair I think was a wise choice, people I know who watched with no prior info were already having to concentrate a lot to keep up.
@@caseyh8386I can vouch that without that it’s already a lot of info, I had to watch part one 3 seperate times and always caught more I missed ( someone who hasn’t read the book here)
@@johnohrstrom5112 yep captain lanville I believe. From memory I think he also hands a wrench to duncan, shouts 'hey!' at stilgar during his introduction, and tells duke leto to come inside due to the sun getting too hot. but I think he is in a few other scenes as well
The Bene Gesserit don't read minds or control thoughts. Through their training they are highly-skilled at observation and interpretation of behavior. In the case of reverend mothers, what they do is a product of breeding and training and information gathered from the Other Lives they have access to. Their training includes a lot of mind-body integration, giving them control and mastery over otherwise subconscious processes. Some Bene Gesserit are also trained Mentats.
I think it was said that the shields are significantly disrupted in the final battle because of the intense storm. You can see the shield boil off the imperial flagship even before the wall was destroyed and the wall minimised the effects
The intense storms plus soldiers may have been caught up with the fog of war confusion because they knew shields disturbed the worms. It must have been confusing for them to decide what they needed to do because the thing that governed their shield use was staring them in the face during the final battle. The final battle was very effective at showing how nobody in the known universe had an answer for the Fremen.
The Geidi Prime scenes were shot with infrared film. It gives a weird effect that's not exactly black-and-white, because it doesn't key off the (visible) light reflected from the objects. It works off the infrared light (heat) of the objects. It was a great way to show the "black" sun of Geidi Prime.
Wormriding was explained more thoroughly in the books as to how you could surf on a Sand Kaiju. The flaps of skin for each sandworm segment protect the sensitive underbelly, they stay closed as flaps to stop sand getting into the bendy bits and chafing. By using the metal prongs to pull up the flaps, the worm feels like it has a pebble or something stuck and it rolls so that the exposed bits are up top. It also won't dive below the surface while its sand flaps are open because of the same issue of damaging itself. So it's stuck on the surface with the flap all the way on the top of it. Pulling open two points far enough apart lets you steer, and to stop you can either turn the worm so that it runs into its own body, or rocks, or else if you're up there alone, you open a flap farther down from you so the worm rolls over, and as you get closer to the ground on the other side, you jump off. It's def a dangerous mode of transportation, which is why being a Worm Rider is the mark of the elite Fedaykin.
Brilliant reaction, guys! Yes, it's confirmed that there will be a third film. Denis will return to direct. This will likely be the final film in Denis' trilogy - I don't think he plans to adapt anything past Dune: Messiah. There is, however, going to be a tv series set in the Dune universe called Dune: Prophecy, releasing on Max maybe as early as late 2024. I haven't read much up on it other than it'll be focused on the Bene Gesserit. All new cast; no idea if it connects to these films.
The "maker-hooks" used by Fremen to ride the sandworms pull back the "armored" plates of the worm's integument and uncover softer, more sensitive tissue underneath, which the worm instinctively attempts to keep away from the abrasion caused by sand. They keep the worm from diving deeper, allowing the rider to steer the beast.
Thanks for the reaction guys.I tried to watch this on Patreon couldn’t change my currency to get the link open so I’m glad you guys have finally posted it
Another thing about shields that I think is worth mentioning: technologywise, shields on this universe have a chance of generating an atomic explosion if they interact with lasguns (lasers). That's another reason why Harkonnen soldiers didn't use them on the first scene, because they were being hit with lasers (I think). And this also explains why the laser teams didn't fire immediately at the harvester on the first ambush, they were waiting for the shielded ornithopter to be taken down (the one they shot down with a rocket).
I can’t believe how funny you guys are 😂😂 Eric taking the “when’s he going to make chocolate” line seriously 😂 Aaron going “I’m thumper!” From Bambi 😂😂 just, SO many moments
The real story of Dune is Jessica's. She started the whole thing by making the choice to have a son. Not a daughter as she was ordered to. She understood what the stakes were before Paul drank the Water of Life. She did not have Paul's power to see how to take care of things. But she knew that "things" needed to change. And she made it happen.
They mention before the attack on the Emperor's encampment that the incoming huge storm will interfere with shields where they are (in the basin at the foot of Arrakeen, inside the shield wall of mountains that normally protects the city and that area from worms and sandstorms). When Paul uses the atomics to pierce the shield wall, it allows the storm (and obvs the worms) into the basin, so even if they wanted to use shields they couldn't. The shieldwork you see inside Arrakeen is in areas which are very protected from the elements.
Rollercoasters have a sign, this room should have a sign! Goofy uncle Stilgar. No rhythm, like Tommy Wiseau. Spice D'Pot! I hate Ray Bans! Same thing as everything else… except fish. This is where they had a rave in *_The Matrix._* So many amazing quotes from all of you in this.
So there are some hard rules with the shields that I know you guys remember, but some weren’t explained well or at all. 1 only slow moving objects can pass through the shields, 2 never use a shield in the open desert, it sends EVERY worm around into a killing frenzy. 3 never ever use a laser against a shield, it creates a explosion on par with a nuke!
My English is poor, so I might not have caught it by watching the different reactions. However, almost no one I know of paid attention to Chani's friend. At the beginning, like Chani, she approached the issue of "Lisan algaib" lightly. However, she was then left to die for Paul to go south because she believed.
SO DAMN GOOD!!!!!!! I appreciate your talking at the end to explain some things, Thankyou for that, I always look forward to the after thoughts for some explanations.
I mean, it's neat-looking, but makes no scientific sense. The wavelength of the sun has no effect on the wavelengths humans can perceive, so if the sun is truly only emitting in IR nobody would be able to see anything at all. Even if the Harkonnens had evolved to see in that spectrum, the Bene Geserit wouldn't. But that's just being pedantic; it was an awesome artistic choice.
I've yet to see the movie (Have it ordered), but I couldn't resist watching folks' "Reaction(s)" to it. I was there when the first hit the theaters, and enjoyed it, but it's so very satisfying to see THIS adaptation with all the due respect to the book(s)/Story portrayed in such an excellent visual/audial way! Truly an epic set of movies, and I can't wait to see what they do, next! Thank you, gentlemen, for taking the time and for sharing this video! :-)
A lot of people felt that Rabban and the Barons death were anti climactic, but I think thats more to do with struggling to translate the book to the screen than anything. In the books, its made very clear that a lot of the Harkonnen game is a projection of power that doesnt truly exist. Rabban was a bully but he was no match for Gurney, one of the most feared war fighters in the entire series. I think they did well enough at it but I can understand the gripes
Shields present a lot of problems. On Arrakis, mainly it’s that they call worms. So no one there uses shields, except where it’s safe to do so. Also, laser or lasguns at usually big no-nos because if a laser hits a shield, it would be catastrophic. Which is why they disabled that one shielded thopter before using lasers on the harvester. Also, Alia was like 2 years old in the books. Which would be difficult to represent in a movie. Would be especially ridiculous to see a toddler kill the baron, so they had Paul do it instead in the movie.
Alia was my biggest concern going into this film and i think they handled it really well. If my memory serves me right, in the book, by the time Paul launches the attack to take back Arrakis, Alia is four years old physically but being an "Abomination" (pre-born Reverend Mother) gives her the vision and power of someone thousands of years older than her mentally. I don't know many child actresses who are capable of pulling off such a performance.
So many people have asked "what keeps the worm from going into the ground". You can see the hooks they use on the worm sort of lift the scales/skin of the worm exposing what look like nostrils. And a worm won't let send get in their nostrils so the flaps will close before diving. Hooks keep the nose open forcing the worm to stay above the ground. Pretty simple if you ask me🤷🏾♂️
I was thinking about this the other day, and it might just be me but it kinda blew me away. Pauls narrative journey and story structure is extremely similar to that of Michael Corleone in The Godfather. The structure is beat for beat in some places. A boy that comes from a powerful family dynasty who does not want to rule one day, finds his family brutally attacked and crippled in one orchestrated attack, he reluctantly finds himself in power, having to rise to the occasion to survive. Becomes more brutal and powerful than anyone before him, becoming the very thing he sought not to become. Losing the woman he loves in that process.
The hooks they use to mount a worm peel open segments that are irritated by the sand, so the worm will roll until the peeled segments are on top to avoid the irritating the sand. Moving the hooks is how they steer the worms...
Really cannot stress enough how much being in theaters added to the experience of seeing this movie. When Paul yelled "SILENCE" the entire theater shook. Powerful shit.
In the books the Holtzman shields have have major defect. If a energy weapon hits it, it can cause a small thermonuclear explosion. This , besides the fact that they can make worms go nuts is why they can't be used all the time.
@@matheusflores619 I'd prefer they take it more seriously when compared to The Normies, who laughed at every single "Lisan al-Gaib" even when it was during dramatic moments
In that large last battle the only place where anyone was using shields were the troops that were inside the city of Arakeen because that was a place where the worms couldn't go. That was where we saw Gurney fighting at night near the end of the battle. When they were out in the open they wouldn't use shields because it would make the worms go berserk. And a shield isn't going to protect you from getting eaten by a worm anyway.
23:30 - From what I understand is the sandworms don't want sand under those flaps and this allows the Fremen to ride them by keeping them upright and steering them with the flaps. What i want to know is how do the stop and get off?
@@dondeas1644 Oh yes, that's why I understand their choice of not using the words. But I just think it sounds more impactful and makes the parallel with Middle East stronger.
Jesus Christ, in the reaction to the first film and this one, all Aaron does is go "what", "what's going on", "who's that", What's happening"......literally everything goes over his head. It's like seeing someone that's watching a film that's smarter than him.
He does it in almost every reaction to a movie. Like brother, just pay attention and watch the damn movie and you'll more than likely get your answers. They are not trying to steer you into constant confusion in every movie. Drives me crazy.
@@itsrickus3582 lol it drives me nuts too. I like all of these guys, even Aaron. But Jesus it would be hard to watch a movie with him. He seems to not be able to grasp that a film will explain things to him if he just shuts up and pays attention. And other things just go completely over his head, like he just isn't smart enough to follow a narrative. I've never seen anyone quite this bad with acting like this. I even see the other guys get frustrated with him sometimes haha
For grins, I wish you would react to David Lynch’s 1984 version. Like Calvin, the miniseries is close to the book (although the CGI is dated and on a TV budget)
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why does everyone think that dune stole from star wars? it was written way before star wars ever was thought up. 8 years in fact. 1965 for dune and 1973 for star wars.
He's kidding ...... they discussed this when they watched part 1
@@roxylady109 this was here for those who didn't know. :)
Why does your comment say it was from four weeks ago?
the man is correct regarding shields. they can not be used on the sand in the open, the vibration turns the worms into a feeding frenzy. The laser guns are not really used too much because of shields. In the film's beginning, the Harkonans have their shields off because they are in the open desert. As far as this being a fantasy, its no mare a fantasy than "a long long time ago in a galaxy far away" ...really dude? D U N E didn't steal anything from STARWARS its vice versa.
That third guy Atriedes that fought against Feyd wasn't just an average soldier, he was "Lieutenand Lanville" the one Duncan called to after getting off his ship in Dune 1, and the one that said "Shields!" to all the Atreides soldiers when they were about to step foot on Dune off the ship, and the one that warned that they needed to shield the doors because the sun was rising too much. But..... he was also the fight and stunt co-ordinator on the crew. Dude is a real badass and I love that he got a role in the movies.
Damn I did not know this holy what a badass
That actor is an accomplished martial artist, too. He was the main villain in Shanghai Noon and many other action films. His younger brother is a badass, too.
ohhh ok, knew i recognized him
You can't wear shields when you are in the desert, because it calls the worms. All the Harkonnen's were wearing shields during the fight at Arakeen
The Harkonnens literally explain this in the beginning of the movie when one of them rushes to try and turn it on while they're being ambushed by the Fremen.
And shields + lasers = nuke
Yeah, spice is the most important thing that explains the universe, but the Holtzman Effect, which accounts for shields and hovering, is nearly as important. That shields aren't being used most of the time in Part 2 is only implied in the film, but there's generally a good reason for them not to be (i.e., becoming unintended worm food and/or death by nuclear explosion)
Yeah, but if hundreds or thousands of soldiers are fighting and running, all that vibration would call the worms also. You might as well use a shield at that point....
@@YouGottaReplenish they don't explain. one says "no shields." that's it.
Alia's character was probably the best change from the book. Her plotting with Lady Jessica in the womb made Lady Jessica's character extremely terrifying. Rebecca Ferguson is the Lady Jessica I imagined from the books. Hell of an acting performance.
Yeah plus I don't know how they'd get such a small child to behave like Alia, or if people would have reacted well to a toddler killing the baron. So even though I missed her, I think this was the best way to do it
Yep, I think for book "purists" who were upset that Alia was not included as a toddler, it's important to remember the challenges of trying to make that character believable on the screen. (A) It's pretty much impossible to get a kid that young to realistically deliver the speeches she gives in the book. The concept of it alone can be hard to take seriously. When I told my parents this change in the movie and what her role was in the book, they laughed just from me describing it in very basic terms. I wasn't even trying to play it up as humorous. (B) The alternative to trying to get a child actor who could reasonably deliver Alia's book lines would be to just create a CGI toddler to deliver them but of course that would be a massive challenge even for the best CG artists and I doubt either DV or Warner Bros would have been keen to shell out money like that for a character that could have a relatively easy and cheaper work around (Alia in the womb). (C) As you pointed out, an extra layer of sinister gets added when you can interpret Alia being this sentient being manipulating her mother from the womb. You take the miracle of birth and creation and twist almost into a category of demonic possession.
@@caseyh8386 I'll agree that it would be difficult to have a toddler Alia on screen and not have it look weird, or just confusing to people unfamiliar to Dune, but at the same time the changes feel somewhat disappointing. I still really enjoyed the movie, but I would have liked a more book-accurate Alia, as well as the timeline not having been shortened so much.
@@chaosbringer99I think I can agree somewhat with the timeline argument. It would have made more sense to have the insurgency gradually build in size and power. That said, I also don’t think the way it was done in Part 2 was bad either.
I don't know I think that change doesn't really matter, but I do feel like the movie is missing a lot of important context for the story and important aspects of the Fremen culture
I have no idea what Villeneuve, Fraser, Zimmer and Butler smoked when they created the scenes in Giedi Prime, but it is without a doubt one of the best audiovisual experiences I have had in a cinema, personally I think that Feyd's character was worth much more , but his introduction was incredible
not to mention that Villenueve actually gave an actual lore reason for why everything looks in black in white, instead of just going " because looks _cinematic_ and thats it"
I imagined all four sitting next to each other in a dense cloud of something, somewhere in the desert and discussing how they are gonna use infrared cameras :)
Villeneuve knew he wanted to do the planet/scene in B&W, but Fraser had the idea of using IR cameras (as he had in the past), so shot a scene with Roget Yuan (Lt Lanville). Villeneuve saw it & said "Bingo".
(h/t to Collider, for the clip of the conversation.)
I agree that Fayd needed more time, but I think the film could have used a full 3 hour run time.
That's what you get when big studios are involved.
@@johnohrstrom5112 both Part 1 & Part 2 should have had the LOTR treatment of around ~3 hours theatrical cuts (or D.V. to shoot with a mind for the extended cuts later - which he didnt do cause he "doesnt believe in ext. cuts").
The result is: 2 films with ~2:30 runtime when both should have been at least 3 hours (+ potential extended cuts) - because of this both films suffer at certain points.
2 big missed opportunities and 2 big clear mistakes that D.V did, although his adaption is a masterpiece overall.
I think the prime reason for this is that D.V. overcorrected after the "Bladerunner 2049" box office for Dune: Part 1 (one of the criticisms was the pace/runtime) and he is weary of 3/3+ hours runtimes since then.
fun fact, for the eclipse in the intro they used actual footage, when they were filming in Jordan there just coincidentally happened to be an eclipse
To be fair, there was nothing coincidental about it. Eclipse's happen whether you want them to or not, and when you have millions of dollars of camera equipment and a boat load of photography/cinematography nerds, they're going to capture the moment.
Coincidental is like something uncalculated and random happening in the spur of the moment.
What makes Feyd so much creepier to me is the comment that he's psychotic, plus the fact that he passed the box test means that he is in control of his animal instincts. We can see Rabban has no control over his animal instincts. That this means Feyd is wilfully choosing these actions.
Feyd in a lot of ways is a darker version of Paul in the movie.
I much prefer movie Feyd over book Feyd.
Agreed 💯. Villenueve and Austin Butler did an excellent job making movie Feyd better than book Feyd.
No feyd loves pain he enjoys it thats how he passed the test.The reverent while describing her evaluation to mohaim says that
Sociopathic more so than psychotic just a cruel, calcutating sadistic man
@@julesgro8526Feyd definitely felt like a mirror of Paul.
41:28 I'm so glad Eric said this. I see people crapping on Butler for sound like Elvis when he is literally mimicking Skarsgard to perfection. Thank you Eric.
Yeah he did a really good job
Everyone was bashing him before the movie came out. Butler was fantastic is both this and Elvis.
Everything except "Mu Darlins" that was so Elvis.
I personally thought he was Bill Skarsgard the whole movie, until I looked up the cast after so I think Butler did an amazing job.
@@ElimusTakenPretty sure, that's the reason why they cast him. It's the same reason for Rebecca's casting as Jessica because both her and Skarsgard are Swedish, but she also resembles Charlotte Rampling when she was young. 😂
I love how Paul (and Timothees acting) changed completely. Because he is a different person after he drank the water. Awesome to watch.
Yeah, and in the moment when he woke up he conveyed the change so well wordlessly that my wife and I, independently, both thought it wasn’t him coming back. I even briefly thought it was supposed to be Alia.
The water of life is just evil juice and I love it😂
They didnt use the shields at all in the Desert. The shields drive the worms into a killing frenzy. In Arrakeen the harkonnens use them.
You gotta be kidding me… there no way blindwave got that mixed up, they catch so many things some channels miss and while they don’t restate that fact in this part I guess a lot of people needed that hand holding? ( I have a great memory so I personally didn’t but I have heard a lot of channels question the no shields for part 2, just suprised this channel did it too)
@@terogates1 No, they talk about it in the discussion.
Also explains why the only things in the desert that can have shields are aircraft.
also they had laser weapons which was their biggest hindrance with shields which honestly made no sense to me why they would even consider shields if they were walking around with laser weapons
The shields actually stop the laser weapons, that’s why they don’t attack the large crawlers with them until the air support is eliminated
A nice touch was Feyd dreaming of Margot the night before they meet, showing that he too has some premonitions that come true because of his parallel bloodline with Paul.
I always assumed that Margot had been planting thoughts into his head by making him forget her or something
Rather, he's being manipulated.
@@KoiYakultGreenTeaand play to the line of the future influenceing the past
He's also meant to be Paul's polar opposite in the story, like the other side of a coin.
@@Tetrad20Paul was supposed to be a girl and he was supposed to couple with Feyd to produce the Qwitzat Haderath.
The second half of this film just showed how much young talent is rising in the acting world. Timothee Chalamet's performance and others like Butler and Zendaya were all amazing, but Chalamet's performance as Paul Atreides was legendary
Zendaya was just terrible in this role, her constantly wearing her angry resting b face shows little to no range of emotion for me, by far she is the worst cast in the film outside of Christopher Walken who just felt like a Emperor with a Brooklyn accent. But I get it, they are both big names and draw in audiences so it's whatever.
I don't think she was terrible, 90% is great but when you're 90% and everyone else is almost perfect it does stand out.
I didn't mind Walken either, but similar to Zendaya 90% does stick out when everyone else is killing it.
@@ALROD they did say in a bit of the movie that stilgar has an accent because he's from the south, so maybe the other Fremen with accents were also from there. More likely though, canonically she is the child of Liet-Kynes (the ecologist/judge of the change from the first movie) so she would maybe have adopted an accent that was "less typically fremen". but at the same time if its none of those, i have no idea why they didn't do it. I guess I'll get over it whenever I hear Feyd talk, because my god is Austin Butler (unexpectedly) good at the "old swedish man" voice
@@ALROD Shes not the only one who doesn't have an accent, it's stated explicitly that she's one of the young generation from Arakeeen who have more mixed voices. Her younger friends in the early scenes have the same accent pretty much.
@@ALRODThey all had accents. What do you mean?
Fun fact: throughout the whole movie, Stilgar is played like a comic relief everytime he says Lisan Al Gaib or show his faith, but the last time he says it, right before he enters the ship to fight the great houses is no longer funny, we don't laugh cause we know what it implies, he is no longer a believer, he's a fighter who believes, he is willing to give his live for his faith in the battlefield. And we know he'll probably die on it. The book even says it: paul says he won a great fighter but he lost a great friend.
Not so much a fact as a bit of media analysis, but I do agree!
I've seen reactors laugh at his last time saying it tho, so it's still funny to some.
I've seen this exact shit copy pasted so many times and whoever wrote it in the first place wasn't really cooking. Like you think it was played for laughs right after his speech in the South at the Fundamentalist gathering?
If anything it's a slow transition to humor, not some sudden change right at the end.
Well, the real "funny" thing is that Stilgar was the "Master Manipulator" all along. He literally forced Jessica to take on the role of Reverend Mother. So, Paul could be the Lisan al Gaib He was Paul's greatest "believer". But maybe Herbert had another role for Stilgar. Remember the whole "Plans with-in Plans".... "Wheels with-in Wheels" that Herbert emphasized in the book. Again, it is not as easy to have "True Faith" in something you create yourself. Takes the whole "god" thing out of the prophesy. Stilgar was just making Paul into the weapon he needed to free the Fremen from the Universe that stole his people's resources. Made his people slaves. And hunted his people like rats. Stilgar played the "comic relief" well. He played everybody else even better.
i swear the music at the end and the shot of stilgar and the fremen getting on the ships makes me tear up. Just knowing these people are gladly going to their deaths to fight for a lie makes it such a powerful mix of emotions
The "voice" on Reverend Mother Mohiam and the stomp to the Emperor showed the totality of Paul's ascendency and just how terrifying he actually is.
Every reaction surprised by Timothee Chalamet’s performance has never seen The King.
The King is highly underrated
I bloody love him!
The Make it England speech gives me chills to this day lol
@@tfred4126i come back and watch it every now and then
I think it was better that Alia wasn’t born yet when Paul becomes Emperor because that shows how QUICKLY Paul rallied the Fremen to his cause. Emphasizes Herbert’s warning of charismatic leaders.
Yeah, but there's nothing more badass than a virtually-omniscient toddler killing the Baron with a poison needle, which is what we got in the book.
It's incredible to me the amount of reactions I've seen where the entire planned out attack in the third act is just looked right over. They put an entire sequence (with a map) describing what their plan is and people still go, "They missed with the missiles" or "did they do that so the debris would pass the shield, how can debris go through a shield?" Thank god Calvin is there to tell Aaron exactly what they just dedicated a scene to.
That's a sign tho that it was poorly conveyed to the audience
@@sosayweall2509 Poorly conveyed??? the part where they LITERALLY say exactly how that battle will play out? wdym?????
@@sosayweall2509bruh no. It was conveyed quite plainly.
@sosayweall2509 "Here's the plan" *Paul describes the entire plan while camera pans it's focus to an illustration while he gives the orders. Gurney confirms he'll finish the attack at Arakeen.*
Scene takes place two minutes later. How is that not conveyed enough? It's people just not paying attention to the dialog.
@@sosayweall2509 poor media literacy and an attention span shorter than that of a fly of the audience is not the fault of the movie
When Chani tells Stilgar he's insane, she says the neo-Chakobsa phrase "Zaihaash lek"; literally "you're drinking sand".
That's such a fremen insult 😂 drinking the act of survival and life and yet you're doing a dumbass thing drinking the wrong thing
If you ever feel disappointed that the final Battle of Arrakeen wasn't longer like the Battle of Pellenor Fields, in the book it was only about a page long. Basically they blew up the Shield Wall, the worms came in, everyone shit, and then Paul and the Boys were walking into the palace.
First time I read the book, ending was sort of anticlimactic and intense all at once.
Thank you for stating this fact. Same thing was true about not having time jump and Alia's role in the book. They were a few lines here and there. .... "Spice production was interrupted.... Paul and Chani's love grew...... Alia grew at an amazing pace". That was about it. Dune Part 2 handled these facts and actions way better than a 3 minute narration by Irulan of what happened in this time.
For as good as Herbert and Tolkien were, writing war/fight scenes and coming up with believable and complex battle and war tactics weren't exactly their strong suit. Entire sprawling battles are relegated to a few pages or blurbs that boil down to "the X fought the y, they stormed the gates and then X won after much intense Fighting"
The change to black and white was a good touch. Good job, Editor.
Thanks! -editor
They actually shot it in infrared, so that wasn't really the editor's doing
@@djentleman37 I believe they meant the reaction video :), we did not in fact shoot that segment of the reaction in infrared
"That baby's inside of a lady inside of a box on a worm"
quote of the day.
and then inside a storm xD;
Plans within plans.
i don't know why she swallowed a fly
Alia is actually 2 years old at the end of the book. She's 2 and speaks like an adult. Her first words were "I love you, Harah." Creepy as hell. In the book, she's the one who kills the Baron.
Wasn't she 4? Or was she just described as looking about 4 years old?
What's harah
Alia is 2 years old, when Harah approaches Lady Jessica about how Alia speaking like an adult at that age is freaking out the Fremen in the sietch. She is about 4 or 5 years old when she kills the Baron.
@@KoiYakultGreenTeaHarah is Jamis' wife who later becomes Pauls servant and carer for Alia. Alia sees more of Harah than her own mother, Lady Jessica
Paul riding the worm was one of the most awe-inspiring things I've seen in a cinema.
32:07 Eric the doctor died in the last movie, the Baron killed him. This is a different guy (who also was in the last movie, but as a minor character)
32:21 He wasn’t drugged, the other two were
The last Atreides fighter in the arena is played by Roger Yuan, who was the movie's Fight Coordinator. His character was in Dune Part 1 and was captured during the Harkonnen attack and transported back to Geidi Prime.
To be fair, I first thought he was the doctor as well, before remembering that the doctor was dead
@@liamjohnston2000 They don't have the same face tho...
@@mrg0th1er83 It's the facial hair and the fact that the only time we saw him in bright light was in black-and-white
I love the idea that they believe in the prophecy because it's coming true, but the Bene Gesserit wrote the prophecy to control them lol, rings true to real life
It's almost like that was one of the main reasons Herbert wrote Dune to begin with.
Well the BG had *some* form of prescience so its not surprising they managed to get a rough timeline figured out
But what if the false prophecy coming true is the real prophecy? Is it still false then?🤔
@@jerryward3311 Then it's artificial not false prophecy
@@confused_lefty but things happened that weren't part of the prophecy that still led to the prophecy. Such as Paul being born as a male. The Bene Gesserit never accounted for that. Also they planted the seed of a savior myth on all the worlds that they sent their missionaries to. Not all of them would become the Kwisatz Haderach.
Considering Chris Walken was dancing in the Fatboy Slim clip for Weapon of Choice, with the lyrics "Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm", I'd say that's a nice cycle completed there
Ooh that's a great catch!
Yeah, doesn't seem a concidence.
Also, I believe the 'I need more, more!' has been confirmed to be a reference to Cow Bell!
@@johnohrstrom5112 - OMG!! I think you're right!! LOL!
@@RenThrayskBenne Gesserit witches plan in centuries.
One aspect of this film that I appreciated (among so many) was how at the end when Paul and Feyd encounter one another Feyd seems to recognize Paul as a kind of kindred spirit, almost to the point of being in awe. This makes sense as they're are not only cousins but are both equal candidates for the role of kwisatz haderach. You almost get the sense that in another reality they might very well have been friends. Hell, they were originally supposed to marry one another since Paul was supposed to be a girl.
Feyd may have been a psychopath but it does feel like in other circumstances he could have been a great ally.
That was in part due to the changes they made by omitting Hasimir Fenring, the failed Kwisatz Haderach, from the movie. They kind of hybridized his character/story with that of Feyd Rautha to still carry those narrative beats but without the extraneous fluff.
Feyd definitely got hard seeing Paul kill his uncle
I like how he repeats the “may thy knife chip and shatter” line after hearing it, like oh woah that was cold af imma say that shit too
@@borealsullivan5486 he was definitely hard when he had his hand in the box 😭
About book Chani vs. movie Chani. Villeneuve explained his decision to make Chani more prominent in the movies and different from the books. The last movie will be about the 2nd book, Dune : Messiah. Herbert wanted to write a cautionary tale about messianic figures, like Paul is, and Paul changed a lot throughout the first 2 movies.
"In the book, Chani disappears in the shadow of Paul. She's in the background. She's a believer. There's nothing special about her except that she's Paul's lover. There was an opportunity with her to show a critical distance with Paul."
I also heard that in the book, A lot of Paul's doubts about his role and being a tool of the Bene Gesserit were transferred to Chani. Is better than all the "inner" narration that is used in the book and Lynch's movie. Was better to have an actual character be the "doubter".
Read both books (messiah too) and I’m really excited to see how they pull Chani back into Paul’s life.
@@hayscollins5867 The books never took her out of Paul's life. Denis just added extra drama. Having Chani leave at end of Part 2 was tacked on. Not in book at all. Is good marketing and good film making. Added a cliffhanger and added tension.
47:40 I will never stop singing this actor's praises. You can see his defiance become confusion and fanatical loyalty as Paul keeps speaking.
I like how Dave Bautista took the reverse Dwayne Johnson approach for this movie by never winning a single fight
Bautista may have started as a wrestler, but I think he found his calling as an actor. He has such a perfect presence for every role he takes.
I hope he keeps working with Denis. His relatively small roles are so well done. You wish he was in the film more which is exactly the right feeling
The worms stay on the surface during riding due to their scales being pulled back. In the novel it goes into detail about how that works. Their scales are designed to keep sand out of their bodies and only going into their mouth to filter sand for organic matter. If and when a scale is pulled back, the sandworm will maintain level on the surface and keep the scale that is pulled back facing towards the sky to ensure no sand can go into a place that irritates it it and causes pain.
Basically sand under their scales = bad. They won't risk diving due to it.
I understand that part but I'm still confused by multiple people getting on the worm.
Do they all run along the Dune & hop on like the first rider? What's the slowest a worm can move? How do they all get off?
@@MikeS-ur2ql They all have to hook on it as it goes past, it's quite a process. They get off by riding the worm until it's tired and it slows down - if they aren't at the destination, they'll need to call another worm.
How do they turn the worm tho?
@@razrxo You can see paul tug on one of the hooks which pulls back the scales to lead it in a certain direction
I think its a testament to Deni's filmmaking that I, having not read the book and knowing almost nothing about dune besides part 1, was able to pick up on all of that through just watching Paul ride for the first time.
Depending on how Villeneuve ends this trilogy his Dune adaptation can be this generation's Star Wars or LOTR. This is a cinematic masterpiece.
I fully trust Villeneuve. He WILL make this trilogy a masterpiece.
I feel like the hype is a bit too much for these movies. I love Dennis Villeneuve, the Dune books and especially LOTR, and Dune 1 & 2 are definitely cinematic masterpieces, but I don't think they will live on as a legendary trilogy, the same as Lord of the Rings.
Now, bring on the comments saying my opinion is stupid.
I wouldn't even compare it to Star Wars. Star Wars was very casual and goofy in comparison to Dune. Dune is PROPER cinema
nah dune 1 and 2 are 2 films so making a dune messiah(even harde than even the first dune) would also be in 2 at least. i think the possible spiderverse trilogy is more likely to be this generations instead
@@HurricaneGaming509 The OT was proper cinema. It's hard to overstate how absolutely epic those movies were in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It helped that they had special effects that seemed impossible at the time - watching Star Wars was like peeking into the future of blockbuster movies. Back then there was mystery - glimpses at the corners of a living, breathing universe that was different than our own. Not every little detail was explained, but you felt like there was an explanation for everything. The story was a rip-roaring barnburner too.
Nice reaction. I'm glad to see how calm Rick and Calvin are being people with prior knowledge of the lore. They expanded on some info and even gladly referenced the 80s movie without disdain. Even with the changes in this movie, they seem to have enjoyed what they saw. So refreshing.
In the first scene when the Harkonen Cpt yells no shields, its not because of the worms. Worms go into a frenzy because of the shields, yes, but they were already standing on a rock formation safe from worms. They were being shot at with lasers, and when a laser hits a shield it creates a nuclear reaction and a mini atomic explosion. Thats why.
"A few changes" from the books in an understatement. By this point Paul and Chani already have a child (that dies during a Sardaukar attack on a sietch where he was hidden, almost at the same time that the Baron dies). Alia is 2 years old when SHE kills the Baron, not Paul... and Chani is way more understanding of Paul's journey.
The change to Chani, I really appreciated. She’s not just swept up like everyone else. It makes her a more interesting character and also a good indicator for Paul’s turn.
Which is cool because she is the strongest believer in him as a person. Their relationship feels so human but his turn into the prophecy is so wrong that she cant stay.
Agreed. The change makes sense for her character given the timeline of the film. She's not hardened by the loss of her child and the suffering of a parent like she was in the books.
It also helps the audience in figuring out that Paul's ascendancy may be a bad thing lol
100% Her loving Paul "Muadib" but despising the messiah he becomes made for an epic tragedy that was sad but so moving.
I disagree, in this she feels more like a Victim, while in the books she is the one that tells Paul to marrie the, in this movie, nameless Princess.
Loved the reaction by Feyd when Paul yelled "Silence." Its subtle but you could see how he didnt take Paul as a serious challange until that happened. He reminds me of ironically Skaarsgard's character from King Arthur.
41:31 “He kinda sounds like Skarsgård”
Apparently that’s on purpose; seems that Austin Butler (whether on his own or under direction from Villeneuve, I’m not sure) practiced making impressions of Skarsgård. Not only does that sell their familial connection, but it would make sense that Rautha would try to imitate his powerful uncle’s tone a little
I understand the change to the birth of Alia... because it's not likely they can do a CGI fight scene with a 2 year old without it looking ridiculous, between prequal Yoda or Chucky. Also, Javier Bardem was awesome... and so meme-able.
Yes
As well as the shields "A shield’s a death sentence in the desert. It attracts the worms and drives them into a killing frenzy." Said by Liet Kynes in the first movie.
The in-book reason why shields aren't the default for all fights is because a las gun hitting a shield creates a result in a nuclear level explosion at both ends.
Making it more risky for everyone.
Saw this in IMAX opening weekend and it was one of the best theater experiences ever. I read the first 2 books and both dune movies delivered. Can't wait for Dune Messiah.
visuals in this movie are incredible, not only because of the CGI, photography is just at another level; blocking and composition simply goated
"careful not to summon the worm" that joke was SLEPT on.
By having Paul kill the Barron it reinforces his turn. He's embracing his Harkonnen, embracing revenge, something his father would not agree with.
Also, the change with Chain adds stakes, it's not a happy ending. There is an immediate consequence.
Both of these changes add to the narrative that Paul is not a classic hero.
Now, some would argue he has become a villain, I see him more as a tragic hero who succumbed to all of the circumstances. The prophecy set him up, the Fremen, Jessica, Gurney etc. reinforce it and the well intentioned boy falls from grace.
He was in a situation where he had no choice.
Even Chani says he won't lose her, but, in this moment she calls him Paul Atreidis, not Usul saying in a way it's ok to embrace fully that side of him (before he learns that side is half Harkonnen).
He's almost crying in that scene because he doesn't want to.
The ONLY person in his world that would have been happy with him choosing his own way was Leto.
We saw what happened to someone who was governed by the heart.
The universe and every person in it set him up to dall and the only person who believed in just Paul was ruthlessly murdered.
But in the books Chain loves Paul and submits to him. She is his real wife while Princess Irulan is just an alliance marriage
people who say pauls evil cant see the grand picture EVERTHING he ever does once he can see the future and this "golden pathway" is for humanity only people who cant be seen by his forsight could disrupt this
Paul also inherits responsibility of Jamis's wife and two sons in the book. Oh, and Jamis's spice coffee service. ☕
Thanks for a really great reaction and discussion, guys, this was so fun to watch! And top tier editing! ❤
I appreciate most of the changes. I am sure Chani will be back with some small changes to the story. IMO the changes to Jessica were GREAT. And I am glad that Alia is not walking like some super precocious 3 year old is also a great change.
Interesting as to what is gonna happen with regards to ATJ being near or even over 30 by the time Messiah happens though
@@Mephisto-jp7deher face is so beautiful and alien that she could look anywhere from 17 to 30 and it’d be correct.
Alia was one of those concepts Frank Herbert came up with and left me thinking "damn... Herbert was on the spice when he wrote that". Her not being Weird Murder Baby was a very good change. Plus Paul killing the Barron instead of Weird Murder Baby was extremely satisfying.
@chaost4544 but we love Weird Murder Baby!
@@chaost4544 Sometimes I think that Herbert was on spice writing all the next books and I love it.
The biggest change was actually eliminating the Mentat Thufir Hawat and his entire role, which I was surprised that neither Rick nor Calvin mentioned having read the books.
Ya, but they changed his story in part 1 too, there was never any plot about Jessica being a traitor. A lotta changes from the book actually, way more in part 1, but part 2 is just reflecting the choices made in part 1.
The actor did shoot a lot, unfortunately his scenes were cut. Hopefully they add the deleted scenes in a future video release.
@@jeffreynunya4716 DV doesn't like to do directors cut stuff but crossing my fingers he makes an exception for Dune 2.
Denis did say that because the Dune story is so dense he chose to more focus on the benegesserit and not the mentats. Which to be fair I think was a wise choice, people I know who watched with no prior info were already having to concentrate a lot to keep up.
@@caseyh8386I can vouch that without that it’s already a lot of info, I had to watch part one 3 seperate times and always caught more I missed ( someone who hasn’t read the book here)
32:30 this guy is the actual armorer/weapons master for the movie. saw it in a behind the scenes with him & Austin Butler
He was actually in the first movie too.
He was one of the participants of the war council on Arakeen!
@@johnohrstrom5112 yep captain lanville I believe. From memory I think he also hands a wrench to duncan, shouts 'hey!' at stilgar during his introduction, and tells duke leto to come inside due to the sun getting too hot. but I think he is in a few other scenes as well
Something else to notice in the gladiator fight. Lanville, the undrugged slave, has the Atreides hawk symbol scratched into his arm.
Always thought it was cuts from the fight
@@KoiYakultGreenTeahe did it when he got into the arena
The Bene Gesserit don't read minds or control thoughts. Through their training they are highly-skilled at observation and interpretation of behavior. In the case of reverend mothers, what they do is a product of breeding and training and information gathered from the Other Lives they have access to. Their training includes a lot of mind-body integration, giving them control and mastery over otherwise subconscious processes. Some Bene Gesserit are also trained Mentats.
I think it was said that the shields are significantly disrupted in the final battle because of the intense storm.
You can see the shield boil off the imperial flagship even before the wall was destroyed and the wall minimised the effects
The intense storms plus soldiers may have been caught up with the fog of war confusion because they knew shields disturbed the worms. It must have been confusing for them to decide what they needed to do because the thing that governed their shield use was staring them in the face during the final battle. The final battle was very effective at showing how nobody in the known universe had an answer for the Fremen.
@@chaost4544it doesn't only lure them, it drives the worms nuts. A worm in a killing frenzy is a massive problem. Don't use shields in the desert.
The Geidi Prime scenes were shot with infrared film. It gives a weird effect that's not exactly black-and-white, because it doesn't key off the (visible) light reflected from the objects. It works off the infrared light (heat) of the objects. It was a great way to show the "black" sun of Geidi Prime.
"He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy!"
Wormriding was explained more thoroughly in the books as to how you could surf on a Sand Kaiju. The flaps of skin for each sandworm segment protect the sensitive underbelly, they stay closed as flaps to stop sand getting into the bendy bits and chafing. By using the metal prongs to pull up the flaps, the worm feels like it has a pebble or something stuck and it rolls so that the exposed bits are up top. It also won't dive below the surface while its sand flaps are open because of the same issue of damaging itself. So it's stuck on the surface with the flap all the way on the top of it. Pulling open two points far enough apart lets you steer, and to stop you can either turn the worm so that it runs into its own body, or rocks, or else if you're up there alone, you open a flap farther down from you so the worm rolls over, and as you get closer to the ground on the other side, you jump off. It's def a dangerous mode of transportation, which is why being a Worm Rider is the mark of the elite Fedaykin.
the worm riding scene in theaters (Dolby) was one of the best experiences ever. It was SO loud and the whole theater was shaking.
Brilliant reaction, guys!
Yes, it's confirmed that there will be a third film. Denis will return to direct. This will likely be the final film in Denis' trilogy - I don't think he plans to adapt anything past Dune: Messiah.
There is, however, going to be a tv series set in the Dune universe called Dune: Prophecy, releasing on Max maybe as early as late 2024. I haven't read much up on it other than it'll be focused on the Bene Gesserit. All new cast; no idea if it connects to these films.
From what I've read Dune: Prophecy takes place shortly after the Butlerian Jihad. Really excited for it.
The books does get increasingly insane after Messiah. I can see them being even harder to film
@@Frangus_especially with God Emperor. I dunno how they could feasibly make that believable
Agree. Children of Dune is doable, but God Emperor .....
@@DarksideGmss0513 Wasn't there a miniseries about it?
The "maker-hooks" used by Fremen to ride the sandworms pull back the "armored" plates of the worm's integument and uncover softer, more sensitive tissue underneath, which the worm instinctively attempts to keep away from the abrasion caused by sand. They keep the worm from diving deeper, allowing the rider to steer the beast.
Thanks for the reaction guys.I tried to watch this on Patreon couldn’t change my currency to get the link open so I’m glad you guys have finally posted it
Another thing about shields that I think is worth mentioning: technologywise, shields on this universe have a chance of generating an atomic explosion if they interact with lasguns (lasers). That's another reason why Harkonnen soldiers didn't use them on the first scene, because they were being hit with lasers (I think). And this also explains why the laser teams didn't fire immediately at the harvester on the first ambush, they were waiting for the shielded ornithopter to be taken down (the one they shot down with a rocket).
I can’t believe how funny you guys are 😂😂 Eric taking the “when’s he going to make chocolate” line seriously 😂 Aaron going “I’m thumper!” From Bambi 😂😂 just, SO many moments
Lady Jessica was one of the most captivating characters in the whole movie. Never knew whether to love or hate her at any moment.
The real story of Dune is Jessica's. She started the whole thing by making the choice to have a son. Not a daughter as she was ordered to. She understood what the stakes were before Paul drank the Water of Life. She did not have Paul's power to see how to take care of things. But she knew that "things" needed to change. And she made it happen.
you just gotta imagine how amazing an overwhelming this is to watch in cinemas. The sound alone almost knocks you out of your seat.
They mention before the attack on the Emperor's encampment that the incoming huge storm will interfere with shields where they are (in the basin at the foot of Arrakeen, inside the shield wall of mountains that normally protects the city and that area from worms and sandstorms). When Paul uses the atomics to pierce the shield wall, it allows the storm (and obvs the worms) into the basin, so even if they wanted to use shields they couldn't. The shieldwork you see inside Arrakeen is in areas which are very protected from the elements.
Rollercoasters have a sign, this room should have a sign! Goofy uncle Stilgar. No rhythm, like Tommy Wiseau. Spice D'Pot! I hate Ray Bans! Same thing as everything else… except fish. This is where they had a rave in *_The Matrix._*
So many amazing quotes from all of you in this.
Hats off to the editor with taking the extra step with the Giedi Prime scenes
Also during Paul's visions after drinking the water! 42:38 😃
So there are some hard rules with the shields that I know you guys remember, but some weren’t explained well or at all. 1 only slow moving objects can pass through the shields, 2 never use a shield in the open desert, it sends EVERY worm around into a killing frenzy. 3 never ever use a laser against a shield, it creates a explosion on par with a nuke!
Man I love when y’all do edits like this during the reaction! 42:43
I forgot I even did that, thanks for noticing!
just occured to me
since leto and the baron are cousins and jessica is the barons daughter, pauls family tree is a circle
My English is poor, so I might not have caught it by watching the different reactions. However, almost no one I know of paid attention to Chani's friend. At the beginning, like Chani, she approached the issue of "Lisan algaib" lightly. However, she was then left to die for Paul to go south because she believed.
SO DAMN GOOD!!!!!!! I appreciate your talking at the end to explain some things, Thankyou for that, I always look forward to the after thoughts for some explanations.
so the part that LOOKS black and white isnt.. it was shot in Infrared its neat effect for the idea of sun that only shines in infrared
Yep, just look at everyone's eyes. Plus, the bene geserit sisters dresses switch from black to white as they enter the sunlight
I mean, it's neat-looking, but makes no scientific sense. The wavelength of the sun has no effect on the wavelengths humans can perceive, so if the sun is truly only emitting in IR nobody would be able to see anything at all. Even if the Harkonnens had evolved to see in that spectrum, the Bene Geserit wouldn't. But that's just being pedantic; it was an awesome artistic choice.
I've yet to see the movie (Have it ordered), but I couldn't resist watching folks' "Reaction(s)" to it.
I was there when the first hit the theaters, and enjoyed it, but it's so very satisfying to see THIS adaptation with all the due respect to the book(s)/Story portrayed in such an excellent visual/audial way!
Truly an epic set of movies, and I can't wait to see what they do, next!
Thank you, gentlemen, for taking the time and for sharing this video!
:-)
A lot of people felt that Rabban and the Barons death were anti climactic, but I think thats more to do with struggling to translate the book to the screen than anything. In the books, its made very clear that a lot of the Harkonnen game is a projection of power that doesnt truly exist. Rabban was a bully but he was no match for Gurney, one of the most feared war fighters in the entire series. I think they did well enough at it but I can understand the gripes
Waking up to see this reaction went live just made my day. I wondered if y’all would react to it. Amazing movie!
Shields present a lot of problems. On Arrakis, mainly it’s that they call worms. So no one there uses shields, except where it’s safe to do so. Also, laser or lasguns at usually big no-nos because if a laser hits a shield, it would be catastrophic. Which is why they disabled that one shielded thopter before using lasers on the harvester. Also, Alia was like 2 years old in the books. Which would be difficult to represent in a movie. Would be especially ridiculous to see a toddler kill the baron, so they had Paul do it instead in the movie.
This is one of those movies that felt so special. What an amazing experience.
Alia was my biggest concern going into this film and i think they handled it really well. If my memory serves me right, in the book, by the time Paul launches the attack to take back Arrakis, Alia is four years old physically but being an "Abomination" (pre-born Reverend Mother) gives her the vision and power of someone thousands of years older than her mentally. I don't know many child actresses who are capable of pulling off such a performance.
So many people have asked "what keeps the worm from going into the ground". You can see the hooks they use on the worm sort of lift the scales/skin of the worm exposing what look like nostrils. And a worm won't let send get in their nostrils so the flaps will close before diving. Hooks keep the nose open forcing the worm to stay above the ground. Pretty simple if you ask me🤷🏾♂️
I was thinking about this the other day, and it might just be me but it kinda blew me away. Pauls narrative journey and story structure is extremely similar to that of Michael Corleone in The Godfather. The structure is beat for beat in some places. A boy that comes from a powerful family dynasty who does not want to rule one day, finds his family brutally attacked and crippled in one orchestrated attack, he reluctantly finds himself in power, having to rise to the occasion to survive. Becomes more brutal and powerful than anyone before him, becoming the very thing he sought not to become. Losing the woman he loves in that process.
The transition back to color from the black and white felt SUPER vibrant lmao
The hooks they use to mount a worm peel open segments that are irritated by the sand, so the worm will roll until the peeled segments are on top to avoid the irritating the sand. Moving the hooks is how they steer the worms...
Really cannot stress enough how much being in theaters added to the experience of seeing this movie. When Paul yelled "SILENCE" the entire theater shook. Powerful shit.
Man, watching this on a regular TV in a well-lit room with poor sound is no way to experience the world of Dune lol.
In the books the Holtzman shields have have major defect. If a energy weapon hits it, it can cause a small thermonuclear explosion. This , besides the fact that they can make worms go nuts is why they can't be used all the time.
Man I love Star Wars and I do think it has a lot of original ideas, but George Lucas owes Frank Herbert MONEY.
Man I love blind wave reactions...They are so smart to pick up stuff that others miss so easily!!
LISAN AL-GAIB
Kinda sad they didn't laugh at that scene in particular, it got a big laugh at the theatre I watched it haha
@@matheusflores619 I'd prefer they take it more seriously when compared to The Normies, who laughed at every single "Lisan al-Gaib" even when it was during dramatic moments
@@noteliassmith I mean, the director said he wanted that specific moment to be funny, so I was hoping they'd laugh at it too
@matheusflores619 which specific moment? Because The Normies laughed at pretty much every "Lisan al-gaib", even the ones meant to be more serious
@@noteliassmith The one after Paul kills his cousin
In that large last battle the only place where anyone was using shields were the troops that were inside the city of Arakeen because that was a place where the worms couldn't go. That was where we saw Gurney fighting at night near the end of the battle. When they were out in the open they wouldn't use shields because it would make the worms go berserk. And a shield isn't going to protect you from getting eaten by a worm anyway.
@32:03 lol pretty sure Eric mistook the non-drugged Atreides soldier as Dr. Yueh, ok Ohio
"look at the ears, look at the subsurface scattering" lmaoooooooooo that was too funny
23:30 - From what I understand is the sandworms don't want sand under those flaps and this allows the Fremen to ride them by keeping them upright and steering them with the flaps. What i want to know is how do the stop and get off?
I wish they used the book terminology more. "Long live the martyrs" instead of "fighters" and "jihad" instead of "holy war".
Those words have a lot more meanings in 2024 than they did in the 60's
@@dondeas1644 Oh yes, that's why I understand their choice of not using the words. But I just think it sounds more impactful and makes the parallel with Middle East stronger.
The J word means a lot more post 9/11. They wouldn't want to upset moderate Islamists, much less the more radical ones.
Martyr also implies they die so I can see why they changed it.
@@johnohrstrom5112 and a lot of them die or comeback scarred both psychologically and physically from Jihad.
30:52-30:58 His reactions to needles is always hilarious 😂😂
Jesus Christ, in the reaction to the first film and this one, all Aaron does is go "what", "what's going on", "who's that", What's happening"......literally everything goes over his head. It's like seeing someone that's watching a film that's smarter than him.
He does it in almost every reaction to a movie. Like brother, just pay attention and watch the damn movie and you'll more than likely get your answers. They are not trying to steer you into constant confusion in every movie. Drives me crazy.
@@itsrickus3582 lol it drives me nuts too. I like all of these guys, even Aaron. But Jesus it would be hard to watch a movie with him. He seems to not be able to grasp that a film will explain things to him if he just shuts up and pays attention. And other things just go completely over his head, like he just isn't smart enough to follow a narrative. I've never seen anyone quite this bad with acting like this. I even see the other guys get frustrated with him sometimes haha
as I saw he was half asleep the whole reaction, so he missed some stuff 😂
The birds were used to carry messages. Burning the birds was destroying the enemy's ability to communicate.
Watching this on IMAX was an experience
That ending score “kiss the ring” always makes me feel like I was there😂yellin “Lisan Al Gaib”walking into a ship
For grins, I wish you would react to David Lynch’s 1984 version. Like Calvin, the miniseries is close to the book (although the CGI is dated and on a TV budget)
I heard somewhere that Austin Butler spent 4 months in Budapest, Hungary, training with a former Navy SEAL to prepare for the role.