Jaguar XKR-S: When Jag had a Midlife Crisis - They Did It Right
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In today's video, we look at one of the ultimate XKs - the fire breathing, bewinged 542bhp XKR-S. Famous at the time for being the most powerful car Jag built since the XJ220, the XKR-S commanded a serious premium - but quickly depreciated.
Now they seem to be holding their money, are they worth holding onto?
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Thanks again James, appreciate the reference to Holdens by the way, it's sad we no longer produce Holdens in Australia but I still like to see the older ones being preserved and restored. I was out for a drive in my XKR again today and saw a '74 HQ Holden station wagon in traffic, looking good in vibrant and punchy Barbados Green - the driver and I had a chat at the lights and his young bloke said, '..Dad, he's in a jaguar, we're in a lion...' Nice little moment, my first car was a white '72 HQ Holden wagon with a 202' six and 'three on the tree' column shift manual, cost me $200 at the auctions. Yep, fond memories there!
Someday I may visit Australia and when I do Holdens will be the order of the day
@@JayEmmOnCars Get out here before too long James.
That was a cool story with your son 😎
You mean a ford owned company lol
@@JayEmmOnCars would love to hear your thoughts on the W427 Jay!
Loving the amount of Jag’s on the channel lately 😁
The XKRS is just a little wrong to me. I feel like the XK lines and body is extremely elegant and doesnt suit the wings, lips and gaps present on these. It's a bit of a clash of design philosophy. If it had wider haunches I think that would bring it all together. The XKR75 is the perfect balance to me. The slightly more aggressive front blends better with the style of the car, sideskirts and rear lip are perfect IMO. The powertrain though, is immense.
I prefer the ducktail spoiler you get on speed pack I have early 2007 xkr and would love to source one
wow you're really getting the deep shine with polishing this channel Jay big big things coming your way 👍👍👍
If Jaguar wanted to make money they should have produced the C-X75. Such a beautiful sports car that imo a large number of people would have ordered. Plus it was mid engined and there hasn't been a mid engined Jag since the XJ220
I all of a sudden want one of these
That's car's running on 10 year old tyres? Jesus wept
Far from a record for cars I have reviewed. Six years is my personal cutoff
@@JayEmmOnCars just got rid of a random 6 year old Bridgestone on my girlfriend's fiesta. Hard as a rock and cracked everywhere. Could feel the rear left grip going with 80hp, can't imagine it on 500+
@@JayEmmOnCars Even on cars I don't use much I would struggle to make a set of tyres last 6 years ;)
I'm glad you mentioned the outdated tyres James. I've never owned a Jaaag, nor has anyone I'm related to, but... no matter what brand the fast car, fitting decent modern rubber wear has to be an essential component in any real road test, if only because the car has one less significant excuse for behaving badly.
It's quite amazing how the right tyre on the right car can just transform the car.
Tyres really have a use-by date of 6-8 years depending on the conditions they are in - then the rubber will start to break down and all sorts of stuff can start to go wrong This is why they stamp the manufacturing week and year on the side of the tyre. 10 years on a car with this much power - that'd be terrifying IMO.
@@Beer_Dad1975 agreed that would be super sketchy
@@Beer_Dad1975 especially when buying used "fun"/weekend/second cars like this which dont see many miles, its very common to find expired rubber on them. Always a useful negotiating point lol espec with ignorant sellers who didn't realise tires expire.
+1 for proper spelling of Jaaag.
I think you’ve now reviewed more XKR variants (X100’s and X150’s) than any other UA-camr James. Another great review of these massively underrated GT cars. Personally, I prefer the clean lines on the standard XKR and if you want to save yourself a bucket of change vs a S or a GT, as I did with my standard 2010 Speed Pack variant, I got the engine and gearbox remapped to unleash this wonderful V8. DMS Automotive in Southampton did mine (I’ve no vested interest). There is a photo on Google Maps of my Kyanite Blue one on their rolling road. For less than the price of a set of new tyres, I’ve got more grunt than an XKR-S GT, increased clamping pressures in the gearbox to take the increased torque and super smooth gear changes. Yes it doesn’t have the suspension upgrades I grant an S S-GT, but don’t skimp on tyres on these cars, drive it progressively but with respect and they are fine. Just enjoy the overall experience. It’s what these cars are all about. They are just fantastic VFM, have buckets of soul and make you feel alive. They’ll always make you smile when you open the garage door too. Very pretty cars with a nod to the E-type with that front end. So, when are you buying one James; you know it makes sense?!
Make YT videos on the dream car of most us 🫣
Little bit of inside industry information I’ve got regarding the XKR-S. The front uprights (or knuckles depending on you geography location) are quite special. There were designed 1 junction further south down the M40 from Gaydon just off the motorway by a company most famous for blue Japanese rally cars. They are CNC machined from large round billets about 250mm in diameter as the round billets maintain a more thorough heat treat the square stock apparently. There’s at least 75 pairs were manufactured this way at not an insignificant cost. I’m not sure how many XKR-S were made in total or if they switched eventually to a forged version, but some for sure have some very bling uprights that’s for sure!
"and an attitude that would grab the attention of even a Holden fan"
As a New Zealander, this is the funniest thing I have heard all year. Absolutely on the money.
It's not a car for your average bogan. Forget the crowd of Mustangs. This is a touch of class. ;-)
Being a jag technician, the XK R is the only car that gives me a twitchy bum hole. It will catch you out when you least expect it. The ftype on the other hand is a bit more forgiving especially the later ones with AWD
This gen, or the X100? Any particular reason? My assumption would be the auto trans, i.e. shifting/torque converter disengaging when you don't know its going to happen, and that radically changing the power/torque to the back wheels, and the ensuing loss of traction. Also, what kind of diffs do these cars have? Mostly used as a sitting room on wheels/ fast highway cruiser/GT car so I wonder how they were really set up.
A quick google suggests that the XK8 and XKR did not have limited slip diffs so I am assuming they are open diffs so can definitely see why they would be sketchy when losing grip; I assume they simply tried to prevent this with some rather blunt traction control.
Got an LSD in my mx-5, and driven open diff'd mx-5s too, difference is definitely noticed at the extremes of grip which I assume can be reached more easily with 400bhp delivered through an unpredictable auto box, the extra weight would have an impact too I imagine.
Would love your view/info on this as a jag tech!
@@iainbagnall4825 The 5 litre supercharged cars have an electronic LSD, it was even mentioned in the video. Put decent, modern tyres on these cars and they handle very predictably.
@@u102768 I'll have to check again if I missed something, but I'm referring to the X100 XKR which was supplied with in final form a 4.2 v8 and an open diff. My curiosity was with whether the jag guy was talking about the x100 xkr or the x150 xkr which are different cars, and neither of them are an XKR-S.
And my reason for being interested in the X100 is that is the one that is an affordable AF bargain right now which can actually be found for sale and I am shopping for a good one :D.
@@iainbagnall4825 I'm no Jag tech but I own a 4.0 X100 XKR (and an MX5 coincidentally enough). You've more or less figured out the gist of it yourself, the open diff makes it super easy to spin up the inside wheel in a corner and the way this is "managed" is with an extremely sensitive traction control system that loves to cut in too early. It's so sensitive that the shunt of the torque converter you mentioned before can set it off when flooring it from a low cruising speed. Turn this off and you can wring a bit more out of it but at the expense of said super easy wheelspin especially in the damp.
That said I've never actually had the arse end kick out on me unpredictably, it seems to sort of bog down and wobble a little and not much more than that. That could be because of decent tyres (regular PS4, can't get the 4S in 18") or simply because I lift my foot as soon as I feel it happening. An LSD is definitely on the future shopping list because it desperately needs one.
Always fancied one of these, especially in that colour. Personally I like the front end styling and prefer it to the pre-facelift.
The front splitter does look grumpy... But not in an angry Jaaag kinda way, more like Clarkson said "like seaside landlady" ☹️
looks good but I feel it looks a bit "JDM", but I most say I'm rapidly going of the loud exhaust cars, they kinda remind me of the late 90's Millennium era.
I think that about it, a bit too....Z, if you get me?
@@Steve-K.G. there is a solid hint of that in the front end treatment. As a Fair Lady might say!
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If the rare gt car you was offerd was in another country you should off still gone. I would of just payed the couple hundred quid flight and a hotel and drove it for the channel and your personal memories. It might not be to late. Please get back in touch with the owner and arrange it. Would be good to watch
I do like these. Back in 2014 we wanted a replacement car and there was a red XKR-S same as this one at the dealer we really liked. There was no way we could fit our toddler-aged children with child seats in the back though which ended that idea. Resigning to sensibility and needing a proper family car, my wife test drove a diesel XF without me and reported back "nice car, shame about the engine" and liked the familiarity with the 3.0 V6 S-Type we had. At that moment, standing outside on the forecourt with a salesman who was smiling but clearly thinking we'd wasted his time, I remembered the XFR-S existed which seemed like the ideal compromise - the XKR-S engine and front uprights, F-Type steering rack and gearbox, French Racing Blue, big spoiler, offensive to walnut polishers on the Jaguarforum and with 4 doors and proper back seats for the kids. They didn't have one in Perth, so the dealer arranged to have Edinburgh's French Racing Blue demonstrator sent over a weekend or so later. He gave it to us all day. We loved it. We placed our order when I got back. Shortly after, we had a call saying Jaguar had changed the specs for the 2015MY and French Racing Blue was no longer available. He gave us a cracking deal on the demonstrator with 1200 miles on the clock. I was concerned for a moment that I'd given that car a good thrashing, but then realised that was what I was going to do to the new one anyway, so was quite happy getting the ex-demo for £65k. I would like an XKR-S, but am no longer making money like I was then - sigh.
Somebody lend James a AMG E63, just for balance.
I love my F-Type. I have the V8s and it's tuned, race exhaust with cats and downpipes, but I still crave an xkr-s!
Michelin 4Ss are totally overwhelmed by Jags RWD SC 5.0L, as are Cup 2s. R888Rs are the only street tire with usable bite, but still spin thru 5th and can go sideways above 120 mph.
French racing blue xkrs. Yes, yes and yes.
In the flesh they have so much presence. Also very rare on the road. A real head turner. A beast.
I'm going to miss the Jaguar videos when it's over. Jaguar tops my list of most loved brands , cars and designs. I had to wait until my mid 40's before I truly appreciate the beauty of Jaguar cars. It's a paradox. I'm certain had Jaguar basked in success like it's German counterparts, they would be producing ugly cars, very much like it's German counterparts, or worse, filling every market requirement with a bespoke model. Part of the allure is it's rarity !
That is one beautiful car... especially in that red color. And sounds absolutely heavenly. Amazing!
I think it looks fantastic, but I am a sucker for a red car with black wheels.
XKR-S dangerous at limit; GREAT REVIEW though. XKR-S was repeatedly noted as seemingly trying to kill its driver by magazines who tested it thoroughly. Now at these decent prices, a good value. However, Sport Seats w Dynamic pack = not comfy enough beyond 2 hours. Within 2-3 years after XKR-S, the market exploded with cars featuring this level of power and many of those also could only put it down in straight line. This was the end of getting a car because it was fast as many were fast. Well behaved or enjoyable in an all around fashion became the substantial differentiator. Aston’s and Maseratis more beautiful but supercharged Jags won respective competitions with those and can be more readily serviced. Nice review Jay!
I love the XKR and I appreciate the XKR-S is more hardcore but I wouldn’t buy one. The styling is too over the top (especially the front end) and I think you will never use the additional power etc.
I like the look of the car overall, but I can definitely see a bit of "Mitsubishi Eclipse" in that front face.
I disagree that Jaguar had the bad boy image from the X150's. The earlier XJ's always had a bad boy image esspecially when all blacked out. Same with the X100 XKR's which always looked very cool.
LOL - If this is a mid life crisis then I want one.
Definitely French Blue. Love that colour, oh and what a beast this car is, you have got to love a fast Jag.
So that's two brilliant videos over the weekend, well done Sir!!
XKR 75 for me please.
Thanks J, good car, but I just cant get over how the front looks. Also 10 year old tyres?!
The only thing they didn't do right is that front end, looks like they beat an XKR with an ugly stick
Excellent reviews as always James! Regarding the looks - I actually do prefer the looks of this facelifted model over the previous iterations, HOWEVER (I had to), the looks of the R-S are indeed too over the top. The standard models are much prettier.
I really appreciate your Jag reviews. Your reviews helped me decide to purchase my 2007 XKR and I absolutely love it! Indigo Blue, by the way (no grey Jag for me either), and I have brand new Michelin PS4S tires on it too. The 6-year-old AS3’s were definitely holding it back.
I too just recently purchased an 07 XKR coupe with rock hard AS3's on it, those had to go. What an awesome car for the $$. Still turns heads. Mine is a powder metallic blue.
Excellent historical background with review and fantastic cinematography as always Jay! That’s my Sunday morning fix
Jags (and “astins”) only take a very subtle body kit, and they tend to age them more so, otherwise they often look better with age.
Last Jag's series on this channel ..big thumbs UP. I have been in France recently with my XFR Sportbrake and as in UK it is modest car, on the continent you get desirable looks and comments.
I love an XF Sportbrake - They look fantasic (best looking estate around)
More of a looker than the F Type to me.
The only Jag i have ever owned was the infamous but not great X-Type 4WD Estate, it rattled it's way down the road
to the next petrol station, i can only describe it as a disaster.
It was replaced very quickly by a BMW 3 series touring, ohh what a difference, no more rattles and sensible fuel economy
and far superior bulid quality.
To me Jaguar have made some very desirable cars, but quality and reliability has been sadly lacking in far too many.
In todays world of ever increasing petrol prices, they are not a daily driver, still desirable if you can afford to run one
as a weekend car.
Ever since i owned a 2001 XKR i randomly purchased when i needed a car in the Army cause i seen how good the car looks and stood out from the rest,it was love at 1st sight and I even loved more how it drives.Well that car got in an accident and it only bent the quarter panel where the gas tank is and they totalled it cause of that I been through every generation of XK Jags ever since and my last is the 1 i have now that's a 2013 XKR and i care about the thing just as much as i care about myself.I will never in my life sell it.It performs well and faster than any other car on the road with an Aston Martin cousin look that i love about it so much
Jay you haven't review the X150 4.2 XKR yet. Some say this is the best XKR X150 for real world driving. Please review. Thanks.
I know it's tongue-in-cheek but doesn't it irk when folk trot-out that 'midlife-crisis' thing every time a chap of a certain age starts to spend the fruits of his labours? Family are set. Kids launched. Home provided. If that's not the time to celebrate with a Harley or sports car then when is? Congratulate yourself. You survived being sensible. Now it's time to have some fun.
Great video as always! I prefer the pre-face lift cars, the frontend styling is a little too fussy for me, but still a lovely looking car.
Great car and great video. You heve driven many XK’s so you are the best person to ask which one is the best. In my opinion XKRS have lost something special and some elegance. But I am wondering if there is big difference between XK Dynamic R and XKR 75 (suspension, exhaust, driving etc.) Which one would you choose?
Love those in French Racing Blue. Would definitely be on my bucket list if I hadn't found 07 Botanical Green XKR with Vortex exhaust that gives a similar deep throaty roar. Front of the pre-facelift XKR looks better than the XKR-S in my opinion. Great GT cars. Controversial here, I wish they had offered it with the 3.0 V6 diesel. Would make long road trips easier.
I really really like jags. But I got the F82 M4. I don't like to give my car away for service and the M4 is a very simple car for the performance.
The stagnation in depreciation is really just stunning. 12 year old cars still on Auto Trader for £45k, should be £30k max
I drove XKR-S round Oulton Park. One of the best days of my life
When I was a child I Remember this car being my favorite car ever
That front end is FAR to busy with bibs and bobs and add ons.....I have a 2005 Jag XK8 and that front end is simply gorgeous
Hello can anyone tell me I’m thinking of getting a 2011 Xkr coupe with black pack and speed pack how does it compare to the Xkr 75 and the Xkr’s
XKR-S Is a looker throw some P4S get the pulley and tune, you have yourself a classic... yes all the twin turbos, electric cars are ffaster but who cares this thing is special
Small correction. The new XJ project was canned because it was trying to be an ICE engined car and an electric car…. and a PHEV. The result was too many compromises and a vehicle that excelled in nothing, hence it was canned.
I at least have the same sidemirrors.... on my Volvo V70... 😂 The closest I´d get to owning one of these beasts...
I prefer the styling of the regular XK-R. The front end of the XKR-S looks like a catfish, or a Selkath from Star Wars.
XKRS just looks like a cat fish with its mouth open. The standard XKR is the better looking car.
Very nice jag. This generation does look fun. Great colour. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
What's wrong with old men? We've got the money. I have to say I tried the 90's XK model and thought it handled like a boat unfortunately as it looked the biz.
I have to say that the front-end treatment of this Jaguar is abysmal, I don't know how they signed-off on it, maybe alcohol was involved; it's mainly to do with the shape of the headlights.
Remember chasing one of these when I owned a z4 e86 3.0si coupe.
The jag was an absolute weapon when on it. Crazing acceleration.
If you're reading these comments Liz, hello! I know the owner and her son - proper petrol heads through and through.
After 5 x XK-8 cars , I find this car has an ugly overdone front end: too many add ons , Yechhhhh
I want one. - in that French Blue please!
Absolutely beautiful car, and as always a fantastic review. Keep the jaguar content coming!!
10 year old tyres on a car with that much power...what is wrong with people? 😅 FYI I like how it looks, its probably the wing is the weakest link for me not really a fan.
why does your country design and manufacture cars that barely fit within your road's lane width ?
What does the euphemism "card carrying tart" mean? Non-native speaker here.
Wait are you saying it's to loud and that's why your one the fence of the looks?
It's seems pretty tame desigm to me.
How does it have 10 year old tyres on it and still be in daily use since 2013? Is the owner doing 1 mile a day?
Looks awesome, but could never be considered beautiful as so many Jags are in my opinion! What a beast!
the only car i would ever own in brittish racing green would be a jag.
6:27 looks similar to a popular JDM
Why do you say BHP? Why not just HP like the rest of the world?
10 year old tyres ! What a joke. The owner needs to get some decent rubber on the car
i just had an eargasm. the Jag v8 is the best sounding v8 on the planet
Tell Liz to get new rubber! 10 year old tires are dangerous!
In the mainland, the Jag always makes the heads turn.
I had 2 of them but very Sensitive but very beautiful
All that poke and ten year old tyres? someone is not paying enough attention.
Well Pirrelllis are rotten when they are new so no surprise ten year old ones are naff!
I am not so sure about an identity crisis more like a reliability crisis
Love the lines of the XK - such a beautiful car. Add the performance and this one is definitely a win. Great vid, James!
It's a beautiful car - but maybe this is just me - it looks very much like a JZA80 Supra - particularly the side profile and the rear - kinda like a flip-around from the 70's where the Japanese were copying the British...
Which movie or series is that?
The one with Tom Hiddleston
I recently traded in my 5.0 XK and all these videos are really giving me seller's remorse. Thanks JayEmm ;)
Sorry!
Roger, I am the owner of The XKR 75 that James referenced in this review of The XKR S. I will try to put any bias aside in adding my comments. The S is a truly great great car and in The Italian racing Red the only Jag I would contemplate owning if I was to change from my 75. BUT I am not so keen on the rear spoiler and added horizontal front of bonnet vents which I feel spoil the flow lines of the front and rear of the car. According to Nigel Thorley’s 2018 publication Jaguar XK/XKR. On colour The S was only ever available in White, British Racing Green, Black, Grey, Italian Racing Red, French Blue. Of these I would like to see it in The Racing Green but never have. Oh and for me not with Black wheels.
My wife did the same in 2014 traded her Porche Panamera 4.8 in for a new XK Dynamic R. in the same colour. Breath taking performance and drop dead looks. In every way a better Aston Martin
The UK government and labour unions have systematically sucked the life (and capitalization) out of Jaguar and the rest of the British automobile industry (and in fact, all British industry).
And that's a shame, as British engineering and innovation is some of the best.
I oft wonder, what has happened to the British spirit? Is this the Britain that was the 1st to invent private property rights? Is the Britain that created the industrial revolution? Is the Britain that invented so much of the modern world (such as the jet engine)? No, this is the natural outcome of any social-welfare state run by government operatives who personally profit from ever larger, centralized governmental systems..
Insofar as the general shift to electric cars is concerned, I call bullshit... its a government mandated novelty. Why? Batteries and the electrical grid. Battery efficiency drops dramatically in cold weather. Presently, there are rolling brownouts merely because people run their home air conditioners! What happens when electric cars are sold in really large numbers? Just when will we double or triple our generating capacity? I don't see people lining up to have coal-fired or nuclear generating stations built in their backyards. BTW, China has a monopoly on materials for battery production. Let that sink in.
To the manufacturers and their engineers, I give them all A+'s. They are implementing, with success, the whimsical dreams of some bloviating governmental bureaucrat, owned by the Chinese, who is worrying about a crisis that doesn't exist. I could go on for about as long as it takes to charge an electric car, but...
Simply put, the politicians and bureaucrats stand with whomever pays them.
Where does all the money go? Remember, governments destroy wealth. Governments produce nothing. Government slows all economic activity down and, in some case killing economic activity completely. Why tax productivity?
I think Clarkson was a little too harsh about the XKR-S on his test against the GT-R. I'd genuinely pick the XKR-S over the GT-R on that test. And I'm quite fond of GT-R to begin with. But XKR-S does feel really special.
I recently just sold my 2014 French racing blue jaguar XKRS-You’ll probably see it for sale At a jaguar dealership in Ventura California. The car was absolutely gorgeous absolutely amazing the only complaint was the automatic transmission was very outdated and slow based upon the super powerful engine
I cannot stress enough that the XK series of cars are massively dependent on great tyres. These run like the difference between night & day with fresh tyres. You’d think the geometry is out but no…just tyres. I’ve had a few now and sold my last XK60 last year. Just looking now and at a French racing blue GTRS.
Love my 2012 FRB XKR-S. I added a drop-in tune and pulley kit to bump it to 585 fwhp 528 fwtq. I needed to go to Toyo R888 tires to keep it on the road lol. By far, my favorite European car I've ever owned. I highly recommend buying one.
Is it just me, or did the chap who face lifted this model really have a thing for Nissan GTR's ????
I saw one like the white model you showed that seemed to have been to Halfords (perhaps that very car given their rarity) im not exagerating to say it sounded like a spitfire taking off, absolutely stunning sound that could almost make up for the imo rather over the top bodykit!
Wonderful video James - just one thing, don’t think you can get Jagdroid for the X150 series, the system is compatible with X350 and some others but as far as I am aware, not this one? Unless someone tells me otherwise! Love the channel.
This or last weeks XJR75 needs a vote badly. I'm torn, could be the earlier 75
They also did an XKR-S GTR-SRS they only made 2 other them though. Very rare
AutoTrader has them going for about $80k in the US with a GT example at $160k.
I’ve owned two of these cars and they were both brilliant, had an Italian racing red one like this one and one in French racing blue. Absolute widow makers, ran Michelin Cup2’s on both and uprated brake pads from Carbotech.
Both cars nearly killed me, well i say that I nearly killed myself in them 🤦🏻♂️