KOBA Was RIGHT (and KINGDOM of the PLANET OF THE APES Proves It!)
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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Was Koba Right?
Maybe
Honestly, I think so
Yes
no blaming a whole group of people for the wrongs that were done to you is wrong.
He was right in not trusting the humans, but he was wrong by using violence as the solution of the problem.
It also proves that apes will become just like humans in their quest for more knowledge, technology and power.
Well Proximus proved that as well.
I love how everyone refers to the bad zookeeper as Draco Malfoy instead of the actor’s name hahahaha
Hey. They are basically the same character.
@@enforcerridley158ik right, even the actor doesn't know how to act differently
The first time Caesar says "NOOOO" to Draco Malfoy gave me goosebumps! I simply love Andy Serkis's expressions and how much he can convey with his eyes and without speaking a word! Aye, it was Taylor who first said "Noooo."
That was two callbacks to the original film in '68 and the remake In '01 in the original Taylor is captured and injured by the apes with a throat injury leaving him unable to speak for weeks and when he escapes and is captured again he speaks to the apes for the first time with the line "get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!" And the line "Nooo!" Is a call back to the 01 remake where the scientist use the word no as a sign of failure, disappointment or disapproval to the lab apes when they didn't complete lab exercises to their liking.
Draco Malfoy😂
Everyone was right, that's what makes these movies interesting!
Yesss. Exactly!
Noa was right to scare mae off in the beginning. Porridge Raka thought that the human was primitive.
Couldn't have said it better, April Zackary.
X-Men handled it well.
Xavier: "Your problem is that you think they're all like Shaw."
Magneto: "And your problem is you think they're all like Moira."
Yep
Even worst, Magneto thinks they all are like Shawn.
But in the end Shaw turns out to be "we" not "they" because he is a mutant that hurts others mutants
@@alfredotejedaortiz304 he deemed them as traitors to the cause.
I hate that there’s a Koba, but I fully understand how a Koba happened.
so technically Koba is Hamas.
@@shahrukhkhan8307shut up
@@shahrukhkhan8307 everyone knows everything is hamaasssss 🫢🫣
@@shahrukhkhan8307Go on somewhere else. No one is going to sit and argue with you. Go join the fight on the ground, you aren't helping them out intellectually.
@@shahrukhkhan8307 womp womp
"Cesar weak" - Koba......."Koba weaker" - Cesar🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
Yes! Cold asf
In all fairness, Bad Ape was right too.
Steve Zahn is always right, besides when he signed on for Sahara 😂
What’s Sahara?
@@Alf-gm7tf Google it
@@Alf-gm7tf Exactly
A movie starring Steve Zahn? lol
I’m so confused by takes like this…
Isn’t the point of the movie to see ourselves in the apes and the humans to realize that there is no real difference?
Saying that koba is right is just like saying a human was right for trying to kill all apes. They are literally the same character with different amounts of hair.
No. People aren't that simple.
That's the point, there is not just pure goodness and evil. Koba was right to be afraid of humans but his actions were unforgivable but humas were about to do the exact same but some of them were still rooting for coexistence and acceptance.
Just like the real world there is so much cruelty but also kindness and you cannot think everyone is just one or the other.
@@mikufollower8564 That's what the dude just said.
@@S.A.MasqueradeSome people just don’t have good reading comprehension skills nowadays it seems.
Back when Rise of the Planet of the Apes first came out I submitted a Koba Was Right design to Tee Fury and a couple other sites for a T-shirt styled after the Magneto Was Right from the X-Men. It was rejected by all of them and the only feedback I got was that I "missed the point of the movie."
You mean Dawn?
@@NobleRaider2747 In all fairness to the OP, the titles definitely should have been swapped
@@SpartacusGalkuswhy? Rise was Caesar taking control of his and the Apes destiny…. they decided to rise up…. How is it confusing?
You went through all of that trouble for a tshirt? You people 🤦♂️
@@MannysVisionStudio you get paid if they decide to produce it so yes
High schooler teachers need to watch this with their kids. This is more educational than half the stuff they learn.
most villains are usually right, its how they go about it that makes them the villain; especially an interesting or good one.
you 100% know this but need the clicks and engagement apparently with these "____ was right" video series and im always happy to oblige
Caesar = Professor X
Koba = Magneto
Basically
Caesar = Hashirama
Koba = Madara
Magneto actually cared about his kind unlike Koba
Professor X = MLK
Magneto = Malcom X
@@Ishane37Magento let tons is mutants die wtf
Magneto was Right!
Magneto the X Man Ape!!
Koba did have a chance to tell Caesar about the military weapons!!! He chose to tell Caesar he loves humans more than his sons
Ceasar did say they seemed desperate that is why he was helping. As if they did not help he knew the humans would attack.
You can show your enemies respect. But you do not give them blind trust. Trust is earned. And you do not destroy your only means of protecting yourself.
Koba is one of the best villains put onscreen. Hands down.
I agree, a great character in cinematic history, not just the Ape franchise
The "so-and-so was right" discussion completely misses the whole point of these stories. It isn't about WHO is right. It's about doing what's right.
Run for president u got the right idea
I always thought the neighbor from the 1st movie was treated unfairly. The first time we saw him was him defending his children. Good father. 2nd time there was an old man in his car. Defending his property. 3rd time we saw him he was coming out his house and blood was spit all over him that would start the virus spread. That dude was the misunderstood victim the whole movie.
The most unfortunate neighbor😂
Granted he went about things like an idiot. Best thing for the first two situations were if he remained calm instead of relying on instinctual fear and aggression.
And they wonder why aliens don’t ride into town on horses
I've heard that joke, that the surest sign that intelligent life exists in the galaxy is that they have avoided contact with our planet.
“Before we go to kindergarten and socialize with sociopaths” had me for a second before dying of laughter
At 9:41 Caesar didn’t attack him when he pushed the boy he attacked when he said he loves humans more the apes and his family. Most the video good but you reached mad hard for no reason at that part
Isnt it ironic that Noah is named after the man who parted the sea when he's potentially the catalyst to bridge Apes and Humanity together
Moses parted the sea, to that point though, from the first viewin’ of the 3rd movie, I always found it ironic that the protagonist had the name Caesar, while his endin’ mirrored that of Moses; he led his people to the promise land, yet he was ultimately denied entry, himself, to said promise land.
Noah??? Parted Sea??? 😂😂😂
16:55 Whoa this segment on how to achieve peace… all of it, all the way to empathy. Sir, that was great. Run for mayor or something! lol 😂… seriously though well stated guys
I second that !
Ever since I learned about Hegel and the Other and tribalism in college philosophy, I started to grow this same mindset on what's preventing peace.
I really like that you always put yourself out there in these vids and speak from the heart. I always try to do the same. Props SC team! Keep it up!
Both Koba and the Coronel were right. That's what's facunating of these movies. Everyone, including the antagonist were right.
Another theme in Dawn in particular is showing how often deliberate misinformation, propagnada, and conclusion jumping are also the nature of our species. Peace and empathy between both species could've been possible, if only humans would allow for objective communications and actually listened to one another. Perhaps most of mankind didn't deserve to be wiped out, but in all actuality we'd drive ourselves over the cliff of extinction before we accepted the consequences of our own actions.
I'm much more on the side of the Apes even in Dawn just because, as we heard from the sacred ape scrolls thousands of years later, "beware the beast man..for he is the devil's pawn."
There hasn't been a peaceful day on earth in the thousands of years since humans showed up.
Nah Koba wasn’t ‘right’. Looking at the arc of Caesar, coming to the conclusion that Koba is right is what makes him ‘right’ in universe. Dawn shows Caesar trying to choose peace at every turn. Koba became the self fulfilling prophecy, a cycle of anger that spreads like a cancer
Excellent analysis. Need to go back and watch all the movies (made since 2011).
Wasn’t ready for those pure life lessons at the end 😂🥹
They should make a what if? Series for this franchise 😅.
I legit love you Ryan. You show your true heart in videos like these and it just deepens my respect for you. You are my brother, even though we've never met.
Slightly creepy
Yoda was right, fear leads to hatred and hatred leads to suffering
Was he right? ..goes and does same things humans do.The old 2 wrongs don't make a right that we seem to have forgotten. Fear porn is easier then hope.
This essay was *chefs kiss* 🤌🏼😘 another great one, Ryan! Great job!!! Love this saga, i watched them all recently in preparation for the new one and now i want to watch all four again 🤣
The *"bad guy"* is almost always right in these Hollywood movies. Western civilization is still figuring out that the german guy with the funny moustache in my profile picture was right too.
Bro existence of Neanderthals is still debated and is still considered running theory not a fact, you just can’t base your whole opinion of humans on a theory which has no evidence but theories just theories.
I remember watching the first movie and I went back and watched all the movies with kingdom of the planet too. I saw some comments saying that these movies were unrealistic and it's the furthest thing from the truth. These movies especially the second and the third one show what would be the most likely scenario if this were to happen irl. Being smart is a human thing and if another species were to become smart, they would yearn for freedom and would do anything to keep their freedom too. The first movie's narrative was human bad ape good but the second movie really managed to show both sides in a humanized objective perspective. Koba was right, humans will never give up but that means ape will not either because they're human too now. So the best way the two sentient species could exist would be to learn how to live together. Building a society and creating laws and making a safe home for both apes and humans. Or else they would keep killing each other until one side goes extinct completely. But regardless I really love these series and they don't feel like sci Fi to me. They're really realistic and it's like you can't have a side like in other movies because it's just how it works. You can't change evolution and u have to adapt to it or else you and others like you will cease to exist
You have to 2 kind of people who tend to say 'this movie is unrealistic'.
1 Misogynists/racists, when a movie has a lead or narrative about a less represented group.
2 Haters when they see a people from a less represented ENJOY a movie or character that represents them ( in a positive ) manner.
Haters usually tend to be from the groups I mentioned in point 1.
What an amazing lesson how fear and empathy
Every time I hear Gary Oldman's screaming, I have PTSD about escaping Vorkuta!!
It always seems to come down to the ones with the best weapons will suceed over the ones who have the best ideas on how to coexist
when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
I guess ham radio didn't exist in this timeline!
This was brilliant Ryan, one of your best videos
What humans don’t and can’t understand they fear.
out of all the discussion videos on this franchise, my fav is this one because it's what I think about too.
Koba Is like the Magneto of this franchise
"Human history has proven that when we are afraid we tend to kill first and ask questions later." I think thats an accurate statement, which also means that humans always have a reason to be afraid of each other because it is in our nature to be violent. This creates a bit of a chicken or the egg situation that we will never escape from and will probably be our undoing, similar to the lesson of PotA.
One of the best mitigators of conflict is what we ended up doing in the real world, diplomats and family members of the elite living in the other camp so that understanding and otherness is devolved.
“Warm fuzzy childhood” …indoctrination
2 intelligent beings can not coexist on the same planet. We will find this out in the next Planet of the Apes between Maie and Noa.
Yes they can
What other villains were right?
COD AW John Irons was right😂
Eric Killmonger
thanos
Tom from Tom and Jerry. Cat was chillin and mouse was always taking his milk
Ozymandias in Watchmen🙌
Kingdom shows The Colonel was right as well.
Not really. You can't mistreat a group then whine when said group starts mistreating you.
He was just Koba in human form because he never cared for humanity, he just cared for human dominance ( as in authority over other humans). Which is ironic because power hunger and abuse of authority is high in upper ranks in the military.
Will was the most powerful supervillain “rise of the planet of the apes “ is his origin story … Dude took out the planet with 112 …. 🌎
Excellent video! As always.
Well if you count the old movies from the 70s Koba was very wrong it just takes 2000 years and we are only 300 years in
Am I crazy or does the sentence he says “competition for resources became scarce “ sound like the competition is scarce not the resources? Shouldn’t it be “competition raged as resources became scarce”? Someone smart tell me if I’m correct or I’m crazy lol
“Si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace, prepare for war.”
“We” are not “afraid of the unknown” …you are. “We” don’t do that type of shit without the merit to do so.
i need a complete version of america koba yeah XD
Not sure if fighting to survive means "'we suck" nonsense
"we kind of suck" Is a vast under statement.
Neandrethals = Neander Hills in Germany where they are thought to originate = Nee-ANDR-talz
Screencrush out here brokering human peace and peace amongst species, ya gotta love it!!
In the end, communication is always the problem... the lack of it, I mean 😂
And now we see --- RYAN is responsible for the apes winning through his pro-Ape propaganda!!!! Marky-Mark will come calling from space to seek justice!
Koba is one of the best cinema villains of all time
Your quote about peace was so nice
James Francos definitely not gonna be back lol but I always wondered what happened to Rodman he was literally basically father to ape Jesus
It’s going to become the ape history Cornelius talks about in Escape. How apes became pets.
Koba is the Magneto of POTA
There’s no way for Koba to understand culture. He can only understand revenge and retaliation.
XD please use this song everytime when koba is on screen XD im dyin of laughter
The human race would do well to watch this video
Yes, he was...absolutely completely right...the earth doesn't need humans.
Enjoyed the conclusion of this video ✌🏽
this is the first time im watching the world from the other part view.
Also means we are acting like humans. Cause we humans. 😂😂😂
Even if the new apes movie is bad, it’s given us an opportunity to revisit DOTPOTA.
What a great movie, in a year full of great movies
Get the T-Shirts and Hoodies made. Koba was right 2024
Btw, this video would be the best case where the usage of the word “race” has the true sense of meaning! IMO “race” for humans as in different colour skins, is just stupid to say
Great video btw!
Na koba was talking reckless he had that ass whooping coming
Neanderthals in Africa? …ever? …South America? …you know what happened to them, 4%
Watch the fourth film King of the Planet of the Apes the humans there are out to get them selves back as the apex predator
You hit the.
Head of the nail with that one Is fear and tribalism is brings the worst out of some human being. They go and lay claim Without ever seeing, or caring if it was occupied like they did the Indians. You would think they would learn from it, but they don't care. Thank you for seeing it because telling history is becoming a problem for some!
One thing about all the planet of the apes movies old and new the bad guys are always right and there fears are justified
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!!!
I think peace would have been obtained by allowing each party to partially surveil their opponents.
But it would become a very boring movie. Peace requires many hundreds and thousands of small incremental steps each adding to mutual trust. Peace also requires political systems which are immune to demagogues and hatemongers.
All this can't be shown and explained in a single movie or even a ten movies.
But it can show and explain scenarios which won't work or causes failure.
Koba is every reason why we shouldn't advocate for nationalism
i love if james franco apear in the 3 movie and die with cesser
Koba was right, he just approached the situation wrong.
15:30 to be fair only one of them raised their weapon, nobody else did.
Now the next question: Was Proximus Caesar right? lol He was likeable. lol
Well worded Ryan. I liked your perspective on this franchise a lot.
No one likes a bossy boba tea… sometimes I don’t want all the tapiocas.
Wtf kind of destruction did he aay, nucleriation.
Raka can bring balance he did survive
Woody Harrleson's characters can't catch a break losing their sons 😢
We humans can’t even coexist with each other
everyday war after war after peace then war
That's different. Even in the animal kingdom species fight amongst each other for dominance.
In the end, it goes the show thay Humans and Apes are all the same. We're all Apes afterall
Humans were also right to try to eliminate the apes as a threat to all humans.