Why NAMOR Was Right! (and Will Join Thor Against the Avengers)
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Namor was one of the most compelling villains in the MCU. His backstory, goals, and society are completely relatable, and he also serves as a perfect counterpoint to Wakandan Society. In this video we break down the motivations of one of the greatest villains in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and how he can affect Black Panther 3 and the secret Avengers movies.
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Written by Brianna McLarty @briannatmclarty
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, Sofien Dami, Brianna McLarty, and Lee Mazzio
#Namor #WakandaForever - Фільми й анімація
Ryan, as a Mayan descent, I am pretty proud of how you covered our history. The way you cover all sorts of history is well-informed, respectful, and filled with nuance. I'm in grad school and I'm working on a documentary on my people's history of Guatemala. The last couple of years were the first time I learned about the coup attempt in 1950 and the genocide in the 70s through 80s on the Mayans. My father fought in the last war, as well as some of my uncles. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the events. I'm in this place where I would want the US to announce an apology for the coup, but power never seems to be able to bestow itself any humility.
I'd love to see that documentary whenever you finish it.
🇬🇹
I would love to see your documentary also. Do you have a website where it will be posted?
Also, I think America may never apologize for the coup in Guatemala. If it apologizes for the Guatemalan coup America will have to apologize for the MANY coups, civil wars, etc that it supported in one way or another.
Brilliant, I'd like to see it too
Watching this movie, seeing Namor and the rest of the world’s governments planning to go after Wakanda I keep thinking of what Steve said.
“Every time somebody tries to win a war before it starts innocent people die.”
Everytime
It always goes back to Steve. I miss him.
@@danknechel4489 Auto Correct, won't let me
@@slospop1125 oh no no I was just finishing the second part of the quote. He says it twice 😂😂😂
yeah, new asgard has no reason to side with namor. nothing thor related belong in black panther
You made me appreciate the entire film more
Facts because I did not enjoy the movie
@@f.a.v.productionsLLC absolutely
That first encounter with Namor will always feel mythical to me, a strange guy wearing non-wakandan clothing in Wakandan territory just marvels about the stories his mother told him while being half naked without care of possibly getting attacked. His presence alone was thrilling.
Coming from a Mexican I appreciate you giving a brief history lesson on our past ancestors.
Your not related to mayans, their were way more other tribes …
@@TheBaBaTV where do i type I’m related to them? Next time you should use proper English it’s you’re not “your” and it’s there not “their” 🥴🥴🥴
@@Bravonewyork where "did" I type. Also, I'm curious why you had to state that you are Mexican 🤥. If somebody is giving a brief history lesson about the Aleuts would it matter if you're Mexican? 🤔
@@geology9005 you forgot my typo at “type” it’s “typed” past tense. 🥴
@@Bravonewyork you typed "type" the correct way. The auxiliary verb "did" is already in past tense, so you're good there. Irony huh? it's just a matter of getting down the grammar for both of y'all.
Anyways Mayans did live in parts of southern Mexico so you could be related. Who knows 🤷
The complexity and the morally gray aspects made me love this movie.
I'm glad they gave him a nuanced backstory and motivation (and was a little reluctant that it wasn't Atlantis, but setting it in the Yucatan worked well). I mention just for the sake of those who haven't read X-Men, that he's a complex villain because he eventually comes to join that team. And hopefully we see him join a rebooted X-men as well.
Yessir
Actually, I figured namor logically would join the X-Men, makes perfect sense
Just admit it Ryan. You loved Wakanda Forever and Namor with his people and all their history in it. I appreciate it. I love Namor too
This comment killed me
Seems like gringos don't even trying to care about Mayan or even Mexican mythology. This Namor BS is just to milk out the Latino market. We are so glad it just flops, they won't dare to bring out such a massive failure concept to another movie.
Namor 👑 and Talokan are amazing
And he’s hot
@@ErikRicardoLCLatinos are white people. Just saying
These are so much better than what we actually end up getting from the studios. Don't know how you guys crank out such good material in such short time, but I'm compelled to visit the site every day to see what's new.
Truly these compounding government focused team up stories would be an awesome return to form for the MCU, and it seems like that is the direction they are going in, but tbh, we still have no real confirmation that this is the direction that Feige and the MCU will go in despite having dropped words like destabilization and referencing Brave New World and teasing Young Avengers. I guess I just don't have faith at this point that the MCU would deliver on anything close to a cohesive multi film narrative as awesome as this sounds. I feel that they might get close to teasing all of this, but since channels like Screencrush already called it, Feige or the individual directors/showrunners will want to change it to something else to maintain some sort of element of surprise, and then those changes result in another Secret Invasion level story where everything is watered down and tame compared to the potential epicness that they set up and could've delivered on. I guess only time will tell!
😊😊😮..
You
I can't wait to see Tenoch play Namor again. He is my favourite villain
I wouldn’t call him a villain.
Anti hero**
What?
He might not though, he’s been accused of sexual assault!
@@henrygambles3652the accuser is a know liar who is seeking public office in Mexico. Check out Feminegra if you don't believe me.
Most the villains are always right, from KillMonger to Ultron. The only problem is, they go to “extremes” with their point. Namor was right but he wanted the WRONG ppl dead & wanted a child dead, instead of just finding another way to have her not make the machine.
In all fairness, with Riri out of the picture, anyone wanting a vibranium detector would have to start from scratch. Remember, the government didn't bother to take the time to understand how her machine works, they just took her prototype directly into the field. Even Shuri was surprised to see the machine because she also didn't think such a device was possible. so no Riri Williams, no detector. Namor had the right idea, even if the ethics of it is questionable.
Well no Namor wasn't even the villain in the movie for me it was the government and shuri who couldn't deal with her grief and instead let it consume her this movie destroyed shuri as a character and I hate the movie for it.
Yeah. It’s like Legend of Korra. The villains in the show are ones that bring a good point about the world they live in, but they go to extreme lengths to get to them.
I mean if Riri dies so does her knowledge keeping his people safe
@@Juan_Dominguez or he could have found her, told her his story, and asked if she wanted to live with his people. she might have said yes. done. problem solved. but instead....
I hope the writers of the MCU check out your clips, you make a lot of sense. Wow, adding this to my Geopolitical Playlist, I really enjoy your creativity and analysis.
Truly these compounding government focused team up stories would be an awesome return to form for the MCU, and it seems like that is the direction they are going in, but tbh, we still have no real confirmation that this is the direction that Feige and the MCU will go in despite having dropped words like destabilization and referencing Brave New World and teasing Young Avengers. I guess I just don't have faith at this point that the MCU would deliver on anything close to a cohesive multi film narrative as awesome as this sounds. I feel that they might get close to teasing all of this, but since channels like Screencrush already called it, Feige or the individual directors/showrunners will want to change it to something else to maintain some sort of element of surprise, and then those changes result in another Secret Invasion level story where everything is watered down and tame compared to the potential epicness that they set up and could've delivered on. I guess only time will tell!
HE. HAS. WRITERS!!! wake up
Marvel needs to hire this guy!!! He tied everything together so well & made it sound so entertaining. Solid writing & structure is the only things that will save the MCU.
Now this was a rather interesting explanation of things. The Young Avengers in Kang Dynasty and the rationale for a secret Avengers movie? That would be DOPE! And I agree with Namor being justified in his beliefs, by the way.
Namor is one of the best characters the MCU has introduced
Thank you for sharing this. For me, all Namor’s reasons were obvious and by far justified; so I was surprised that many people called Namor “a weak villain without proper motivation”. I sympathize with him, I admire him as a leader of his nation and I hope we see more of him in the future.
To me Shuri is much more villain than Namor. I think Namor is in the right
As someone with Mayan heritage and whose parents left Guatemala during the genocide of 81-83, thank you Ryan for the nuance explanation. This is why I love this channel and ultimately why I love the depiction of Namor. Thank you
Guatemalan here. Namor’s one of my favorite MCU characters and I loved his storyline. Also, I cried seeing Talokan in theaters. It looks like a flourishing empire. ❤🥹
What up cousin??! ❤️✌🏽
Lo siento 😢, es Quiché, Kaqchikel?
And this is why Marvel is declining once include everybody. That version.of Namor hopefully will see the light again
oh shut up he didnt say anything meaningful and it has nothing to do with actual history this is MOVIE
Man, that's one of the drawbacks of special effect heavy movies that take YEARS to finish and therefore have years and years between installments in a series- I had honestly kind of forgotten Namor even existed, much less what he wants and doesn't want.
Same.
it wasn't that long ago
Just wanted to shout out Doug. Doug is the heart of the channel 🤘🏻
Your UA-cam channel is absolutely amazing! The content you create is both entertaining and informative,The production quality, creativity, and passion you put into your videos are evident in every frame. keeping me hooked with every video. Keep up the fantastic work, you're doing a fantastic job! 😊👍
I've seen this comment on other videos. Sus.
He's literally part of a COMPANY it's not self made omg wake up
I really appreciate you all adding so much important context to Wakanda Forever. Keep up the great work and respect to other cultures and history!
So excited for Loki season 2
Namor is not Aztec, he is Mayan
This was a incredibly informative jam-packed episode I thank you for the contact my good sir
Don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but i think I think Namor was by far the best thing to come out of phase 4
i would also add Shang Chi
That's a fact, however unpopular.
The tiny footwings were silly af, though
@@Emanon... they were a bit goofy i cant lie. but namor was very solid and well casted
@@Emanon... it may be silly but that's how they were in the comics
The govt has Iron Heart’s machine and can replicate it, killing her would do absolutely NOTHING. It’s hard to understand why the storywriters ignored this fact.
Love it. Namur was one of my favorite characters, a dare not say villain, as he was an antagonist by necessity but not a bad guy per se
He killed Queen Ramonda🥺He’s definitely a villain in WF😥but I like him & Talokan👌😅
@@POPIncursions He didn't kill her for the fun of it. She indirectly killed two of his citizens after she threatened to expose him to the US. He's not a villain. At best, he's an antagonist.
He is a antihero and antiheroes don't count. Some people can't tell the difference between a pure evil villain and a reform villain and a antihero.
Man i feel that some people need to do more research and study more.
@@POPIncursionsnot being a troll but....... You are 100% wrong. He did not kill her. Read more comics and do more research and pay attention to the movie.
Hoping this leads to Namor vs Thor
Fish man can’t throw punch around microwave.
@@hairypancake4425 Thor would have to use this strategy to weaken Namor
@@kayaanbedi5554 at best they're equal strength, but Thor is probably a level or two stronger at least and he has ranged attacks + a weapon capable of chopping him up. Namor is punching slightly above his weight unless the fight is near water
Dude that's the Aztec sun stone. The mayan calendar looks like a bike chain wheel
Ok, first off Namor IS attacking for vengeance. Revenge against the surface world for the death of his mother first, his royal subjects(killed by Nakia) second. Yes, Namor is worshipped as a god but whoever serves as the Black Panther serves as the earthly avatar of the Panther god Bast. And last, whoever thought Shuri was going to just be chill with her mother’s murder and NOT go bat crap crazy is stoopid! Namor had that butt whoopin coming!
That's a fantastic breakdown. Love you guys.
Very informative, respectful and nuanced ❤
Namor is a fascinating Marvel character, I hope we see more of him in upcoming films.
fantastic video yall
To clarify, there was no misunderstanding in WW I. The assassination of Francis Ferdinand d'Este was only a pretext for starting the war. For example, Germany has been preparing for such a pretext for a long time.
And you know this because YOU WERE THERE.
@@xxGothrd Are you serious. This is elementary school curriculum. Perhaps we pay more attention to this fact in the Czech Republic, because we were ruled by the Habsburgs and we were part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Ryan needs to be a writer for Marvel ASAP! He’s knows the story and timeline amazingly for him to plan out a future film 🙌🏼🙌🏼🔥
Shout out to this guy for these videos🤙🏼
He literally works for a company in the industry he is NOT just a content creator omg wake up!
Oh, I am so onboard with this scenario! Every single aspect you laid out.
Between multiverse of madness, the marvels and this
This is the best of the first sequel of these movies, I very much loved this movie while the loss of Chadwick was tragic, they honored him by not recasting him and by him having a son is in a way recasting tchalla without recasting Chadwick, WF is severely underrated
I’ve learned more about Mayans from this video then school great work
The weapon x program knew about vibranium too. Wolverine’s (and other characters) Adamantium is a mix of vibranium, and steel.
Ryan please go talk to Kevin as soon as possible.
Can we talk about how perfect it was that Namor got his name
El Niño Sin Amor
The boy without love - shortened to Namor
Unless that’s from the comics. Give the person who created that a raise
Not from the comics (his birth name is Namor), GIVE THAT PERSON ALL THE MONEY!!!
Completely respect your opinion but I thought it was a bit iffy tbh. People would hardly go out of their way to call someone the boy without love. They'd call him the devil kid, the freak sea thing, something like that. The sin amor thing might make sense with the name namor but doesn't fully make sense as a nickname/ way to refer to him
The Comic version was named Namor, the guy who created the character just spelled Roman backwards.
I have a theory that Howard Stark not only knew about Wakanda but took resources. He had vibranium and I think the super solider serum has some Wakandan flower derivatives in it.
This opened my eyes to some of the movies' nuances. When Shuri said "This will mean war" I found that statement weird the first time. I thought "You getting kidnapped already meant war was likely. Why are you surprised?" But now that I look back, I see that she wasn't just NOT kidnapped, but she was also genuinely connecting with Namor there. She saw the bigger picture that Riri was involved in and was doing good as a political leader to understand Namor and his people. I also see that this whole mess between Wakanda and Talokan was founded more on a misunderstanding and miscommunication than anything else. I genuinely think that if Shuri had more time and Queen Ramonda understood the situation better, a peaceful solution could've been found. They may have even become genuine allies. But that one misunderstanding regarding Shuri's disappearance led to an absolute cascade of horrible events and, eventually, war.
Love the editing! Reminds me of some of the smaller channels I follow and love!
That idea you just told, is, awesome, I cant wait! I think you are 100% right, and I hope you are, omg if this sequence of events happened It would blow my mind, it is so good.
Truly these compounding government focused team up stories would be an awesome return to form for the MCU, and it seems like that is the direction they are going in, but tbh, we still have no real confirmation that this is the direction that Feige and the MCU will go in despite having dropped words like destabilization and referencing Brave New World and teasing Young Avengers. I guess I just don't have faith at this point that the MCU would deliver on anything close to a cohesive multi film narrative as awesome as this sounds. I feel that they might get close to teasing all of this, but since channels like Screencrush already called it, Feige or the individual directors/showrunners will want to change it to something else to maintain some sort of element of surprise, and then those changes result in another Secret Invasion level story where everything is watered down and tame compared to the potential epicness that they set up and could've delivered on. I guess only time will tell!
Kids In The Hall clips? This channel has everything!
With the YA about to be formed and with Wakanda needing more heroes, i truly hope they age up Prince Tchalla so he can join in the fight
😅😮😮😮😮op
This has been my favorite video of yours. I love the breakdown and discussion of the murky waters we're currently in, in the MCU. Also, I've been wondering when the young avengers would show up. I hope you are right.
You just blow my mind! That is a great theory!
Could you rewrite the venom movies and morbius?
I've had Wakanda Forever as my 3rd favorite MCU film since the 4th time I saw it in theaters for these very reasons.
Your video wants me to go see it again.
I do hope your theory comes true as the MCU NEEDS some sort of connectivity.
The fact that they gave us a good film , after losing the main star , should be celebrated
Having your thoughts on a movie that doesnt even exist, and background not even explored, was actually better content than many of the movies lately. Keep this up!
I loved this version of Namor.
And let’s give it up to Winston Duke! What an actor!
As great as it would be to find out Marvel had secret movies tucked away, I don't think there is anyway they or Disney would hide that. Based on what they have made since Endgame, I sadly don't have high expectations for what is to come.
It really sucks that William Hurt passed away. It would have been great to see him in his character arc all the way from Incredible Hulk through Civil War and to the Thunderbolts and beyond. Harrison Ford isn't bad, but it will feel like a disconnect to have a new actor.
Truly these compounding government focused team up stories would be an awesome return to form for the MCU, and it seems like that is the direction they are going in, but tbh, we still have no real confirmation that this is the direction that Feige and the MCU will go in despite having dropped words like destabilization and referencing Brave New World and teasing Young Avengers. I guess I just don't have faith at this point that the MCU would deliver on anything close to a cohesive multi film narrative as awesome as this sounds. I feel that they might get close to teasing all of this, but since channels like Screencrush already called it, Feige or the individual directors/showrunners will want to change it to something else to maintain some sort of element of surprise, and then those changes result in another Secret Invasion level story where everything is watered down and tame compared to the potential epicness that they set up and could've delivered on. I guess only time will tell!
Yeah they dropped the ball in epic fashion with Secret Invasion the acting was good but they didn't deliver visually or with the storyline it should have been 9 episodes and an hour long it could've been epic like the lone season of watchmen but I do see what it's setting up they just ruined a great story. Loki is the one thing that is maintaining my faith in the MCU
Can Namor and Aquaman talk to Alligators?
This movie reflects the pussification of Disney’s recent superhero movies- there are no masculine menu, it’s all women or weak looking guys…no one is jacked/tough anymore.
It's not "special Wakandan tech stuff"; the plant from Talokan, and the herb found by Bashenga aren't the same thing.
They even make the point of calling it "98%", so it's simply "almost" the same thing.
That small difference is likely made up by something unique to the Talokan plant, namely the healing factor that has their warriors getting up from stabbings, and surviving bullet attacks (while killing them when hit by sonic weaponry, the same type of sonic knowledge that makes Vibranium inert for transport).
That bit of healing factor will likely be present for every other person to consume the "almost" Heart-shaped Herb going forward (unless the OG herb eventually sprouts again in the burned garden
The entire movie for multiple reasons had me in tears, it's a hard rewatch...
Was the title supposed to say "Against the Americans" because I dont see the Avengers attacking new Asgard
Great video
I honestly love this channel. The Young Avengers theory blew my mind. More like Avengers dynasty!
Great video. Namor is definitely up on current events, in an early draft of the script it is explained Talokan developed their own optic fiber technology, allowing them to intercept outside communications and in the movie, it is also stated he visits the surface every now and then. His actions are indeed based on his experience by having observed humanity destroy and oppress others for hundreds of years. I think the MCU's portrayal of Namor and the potential for exploring the rich cultural lore and complexity surrounding his character provide an exciting opportunity for storytelling and world-building. I can't wait to see what will Namor's next move will be in future movies or even a standalone project of his own.
Even in the movie, the local remaining humans on Yucatan that Shuri speak with appear to know Namor. It would be great to see that Namor had also actually tapped the real-life underwater cables that still connect much of the Internet as it did the landlines.
This was the way I thought about it when it first came out and when I tried to explain it to ppl they called me crazy. Thank you for this
Such a delight! Love the deep analysis videos like this. Please create the one analysing the base phylosophy for Starwars original theory: Empire = Pope and organized religion vs Jedi = Jesuits/Templars
According to TV Tropes Namor would be an example of an "Anti-Villain" and a "Well-Intentioned Extremist."
Atlantis is in fact an Ancient Egyptian myth, told to the Greeks. A Kilmonger and Namor 'What if' however, would be insane!
Nice video
Dude u make a bunch of valid point I never thought about. I hope everything u said happens……..u shld b allow’d 2 help out wit the MCU💯💪🏾
More of Namor please!
Hayward wasn't the villain of WandaVision, Wanda was. He was trying to save a town that she had captured and enslaved.
And then he tried to kill kids for it :v
@@raynelfastination - Wanda spent an entire movie trying to kill a kid
Both things can be true. Pretty sure Hayward is a villain regardless. And Wanda was considered more of unintentional villain. That changed with DSMOM.. but for WV, she was unaware through most of it that she was hurting people. Hayward wasn't portrayed as a complex character unfortunately but just a military thug IMO
Hayward manipulated Wanda into creating the Westview Hex so he could steal Vision's soul to activate his Frankenstein project. Hayward is definitely the antagonist of Wandavision.
@@raynelfastination What kids? The ones enslaved in their bedrooms and the babies who died because their parents were unable to tend to them?
This analysis is way way beyond comics. This is a political commentary, a crash course in real world history, a question to the morality of human beings. In addition to that, you also proved that Captain America made the right decision in Winter Soldier. Team Cap all the way!
❤ Namor.
Always good to know that the villainous ones have the truth 😂
HYPED for LOKI !
Whatever happen to the actor? Wasn’t he being accused of abuse ? Hope the shit blew over and was nothing cause he was good as Namor..
He was.
I hope he's alright and the accusations against him are false.
He was really brilliant as Namor
Like every other good MCU villain/hero that gains popularity. they end up being accused of something
This could save the MCU I LOVE IT !!!
Truly these compounding government focused team up stories would be an awesome return to form for the MCU, and it seems like that is the direction they are going in, but tbh, we still have no real confirmation that this is the direction that Feige and the MCU will go in despite having dropped words like destabilization and referencing Brave New World and teasing Young Avengers. I guess I just don't have faith at this point that the MCU would deliver on anything close to a cohesive multi film narrative as awesome as this sounds. I feel that they might get close to teasing all of this, but since channels like Screencrush already called it, Feige or the individual directors/showrunners will want to change it to something else to maintain some sort of element of surprise, and then those changes result in another Secret Invasion level story where everything is watered down and tame compared to the potential epicness that they set up and could've delivered on. I guess only time will tell!
The Marvel Atlantis Attacks series...from the 90s was awesome ..that is what we need. All Hail Namor.
As someone of Mexican descent, all I have to say is "órale!"
This is an absolutely AMAZING video!! Well done on setting the history right on the Mayan culture, I never knew some of these things. Mayans and people of color have the exact same history. :(
Also, Nakia should have just let Shuri try to help but nope, left them there to die
I never gave one 💩 about Namor as a kid reading comics. But his portrayal in the movie, particularly the scene wherein he explains his Name. “ …because I have no love for the surface world.”
wild theory but really well thought out. cooked perfectly.
I know this is necromancy on an old video from 6 days ago but its the first MCU one I saw...
A cool fact about MCU -- THIS OCTOBER 2023 is when Avengers: Endgame "takes place"
By most estimates, Oct 3rd is when Scott Lang suddenly reappears and by Oct 17th the Battle of Earth is in full-swing
You or maybe MT should do a video discussing it/revisting Endgame
Right now, this is way too thoughtful for the MCU to consider.
Unfortunately, I think we all can see that the MCU just isn't capable to tell a story this good anymore. They don't have (or rather, would likely not invest in) the organization skills, the writing talent, the directorial talent, nor the political will to pull off a multifilm story arc of this magnitude...
I cared more about Namor than I did anything else in this movie. This should have been a Namor movie.
You forgot one more child that was almost killed, but then turned into Star-Lord
Or the two fake kids that were almost shot down by a government higher up in broad daylight
Finally some MCU content 😭
Didn't read the comics - but Namor was a hero / villain at times, yes? (more black and white than that, I know)... I feel like we may need a NAMOR IS A GOOD GUY / AVENGER uptick in his character, before then giving us the TWIST, JK HE'S STILL JUST LOOKING OUT FOR HIMSELF moment of starting a war or anything. Wakanda Forever set him up to PLAY BALL... so I think we'll get that BEFORE we get him doing war-ish stuff. Character Development / ebbs and flows, y'all.
He at one point was a participant in in WWII with Bucky among others. It would be interesting to see their MCU counterparts interact. I suspect that the Winter Soldier was also deployed in Latin America. On the other hand, with Bucky's debt and friendship with Wakanda, it would be interesting for him to use his experiences to be bridge.
14:09 This would be an amazing "What If". What if Wanda DID bury $3million of vibranium in American soil and Westview grew star shaped herbs?
Or Wanda dropped him in a volcano creating the world's first adamantium. Or terrigen mists worldwide.
Hayward dropped the ball on that lol
Brilliant 👍🏾
This is the "State of the MCU" that should have been presented after "End Game" by K. Feige! Would have made Phase 4 make complete sense! Thanks for the great content!
People like are those “Glenn died so I stopped watching the walking dead” move on
nice, but about that secret avengers movie, why would characters like bucky join the government
Flowers fade and fall and fly about up in the sky, But who pities the loss of your fragrance when you die?
That’s why Sue has the hots for Namor
...can we talk about how unsettling a giant dead alien sticking out of the ocean must also be?
If Namor attacked the surface, it would probably be his version of Pearl Harbor!!!
Wouldn't it be more moral for Namor to kidnap her instead of killing her… That way she could at least survive and create fancy technology for his people