The Biggest Misunderstanding About Bass 🤯
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- This is the biggest misunderstanding about bass that ruins your mixes. Let's take a look what phasing is, and take a look at soft and hard solutions that can help you fix it.
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00:00 The real world phasing example
00:53 Digital world phasing example
01:55 The misunderstanding
03:00 Soft and hard solutions to phasing
04:08 2 types soft phase phase solution
06:34 2 types of hard phase solution
08:19 If you really want to dive deep into mixing
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For whatever reason, seeing you demonstrate these ideas with props and markers/paper has helped me finally understand phase cancelation! Using things to explain concepts outside of the DAW before diving into it makes me think about it differently. You do such a great job explaining things!! Thank you!
I enjoy making those real world demonstrations as well. This one took me some time to conceptualise and build it, but hopefully it will make it easier to understand when you see it 😊
Same. It's much appreciated:)
What an embarrassing comment. Are you a child? Lol
How big of an effort do you want to take to illustrate a music making problem? Alice: "yes".
Haha cheers Martin! ❤
Hey go big or go home
I've already knew phase cancelling, but as soon as i've seen physical illustration of it i was like SUBSCRIBE SUB JUST SUB NOW I SENSE QUALITY MATERIAL
Or to quote Brian May (on the music of Queen) "If a job's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!" 😄
well, there are a lot good illustrations of the problem. But it is a first video with great clear explanations how to solve it.
Another good thing to think about is always checking the mono compatability of your whole track doing an A - B test because most club sound systems are mono. If stuff is out of phase or the whole track has lots of stereo then it could sound amazing on headphones or speakers, but the moment you play it out on a big sound system it'll start phasing and you lose whole chunks of sound
Also if you're using the high pass and low pass technique to replace the sub bass with a sine wave then it's generally best to do it in parallel by using groups in the chain, same way she did with the EQ3, and using tasteful amounts of distortion on the sub to provide extra harmonics that fill the space between the two sounds. Main reason I recommend going parallel rather than going for seperate tracks is to prevent your project getting too messy, but it also means you can easily add effects to the high end and low end at the same time.
Great video as always Alice!!
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saying that most club sound systems are mono is big misinformation.
@@lennartstein3024 it's what we've been taught in my uni course. I've also got a few friends who own sound systems, they're all mono. maybe it's different in other countries, but most club systems in the UK are mono. the key word there is most. it makes sense too, you don't want one side of the room to have a different listening experience than the other side of the room
@@alexyoung3986 Still not quite correct to say ‘most’. Where mono is mostly used is in venues with strange shapes or large enough to require multiple speakers across the venue to keep a consistent level throughout. A large venue with a large stage and therefore a wide stereo field doesn’t specifically require outright summing to mono, some width can be retained.
Overall I’ve found anywhere with a very obvious “this is the stage and this is the sound system” type layout to be stereo and could pan parts if I wished, regardless of frequency, whereas somewhere that doesn’t really have a dedicated place for performers or DJ’s is generally mono.
Even been to shows using surround setups.
@@3rdStoreyChemist whilst true, you can’t depend on all sound systems being the same as of course they aren’t. Therefore mono compatibility is still hugely important, and not just for club sound either - FM radio still happens to be a thing, and stereo / mono FM signals are also unstable and can’t be depended on. Therefore, you compromise with having mono in the right areas in the low end, but also with enough width and stereo information in other areas in order to ensure performance on as many playback systems and situations as possible.
Mono bass is also important for vinyl cutting, as whilst you obviously can have stereo vinyl cut, too much stereo information can cause grooves to be cut too wide, and can lead to poor stylus tracking, more skips etc.
Regardless of what’s on the other end, a good mono compatible mix is still required, and will be for the foreseeable future’
Great vid and very well explained! Being self taught and doing music prod as a hobby, so many youtube videos tell you "rules" like "the bass should be mono" or "lowpass everything" but don't tell you why. I knew phase cancellation was a thing, but not how to avoid it other than to avoid certain methods of widening the stereo image (which limits creativity).
I'm a very visual learner and don't have the experienced ear that seasoned producers do, so when you showed the difference in the signal before / after compression and when you replaced the fundamental that was especially helpful for me.
Cheers and keep up the great content!
I've heard people explain the problem, but you're the first person who offered a simple explanation of what to do about it AND WHY.
You are so legit.
I appreciate you immensely. Thank you.
This is such a better way to explain how to address issues with production... These techniques can be passed across so many issues, unlike most "how to self help" videos which give generic advice as if they're a one size fits all solution, this gets right to the core, and it's also just addressed an issue I've been having recently with my mid / side eq on my bass, thanks once again Alice ❤️
Oh man I've done the Hard Way technique a bunch of times in the past instinctually always wondering if I was a fool for doing so.
So glad to see somebody else recommend it and make such an articulate tutorial.
You've earned my sub and I'll be looking at more of your content during my downtime!
Wow I never had anybody break it down like that. Thank you u made it clear on what I'm trying to do with this low end. I was really wondering how I was supposed to go about splitting up my bass. Thank you!!
This video was SO GOOD. Though I knew about phase cancelation, I never understood any of the solutions before today. I love your super clear, to-the-point, visual explanation. One of the best tutorials I have seen for sure.
this definitely clears up some of the misconceptions we had about bass mixing, thank you!
Best bass mixing video I've seen, and I've seen a lot, including master classes. She presents several approaches in a concise manner, with pros and cons, important caveats, and methods to both analyze AND alleviate the problems. I knew most of this, but the way she went through it all so fluently and without tangents, made it click much better for me. I feel like I understand my toolkit better.
Thank you!!
this is so accessible and I think the genius in that is going unnoticed. You're a very VERY talented educator, this video is so comprehensive but not dense. THANK YOUUUUU
Your knowledge is so impressive. It turns out that I have been using both of these methods in differing amounts for quite a while. Thanks for sharing!!
Ey yo, Alice has no right to go this hard! This was educational, useful, pragmatic, entertaining presented in the most slickest way.
I've never seen you or you content before. You just popped up.
But I'm glad it did, cause this was nice and you've taught me something new. I'm a fan
An easy way to explain cancellation is to say the opposites cancel each other the same way that -1 + 1 = 0.
That trick to totally remove the fundamental in xerum is awesome, thanks!
Oh, also... in some genres like DNB often the volume variation from phase cancellation is actually very desirable, so it's not always a problem. Cheers!
I really like your recent style of videos. Good analogies, educational, and positive energy 👍
Thank you! I really enjoy making them as well ❤
@@Alice-Efe Demonstrations and video edit is really perfectly executed
The trick with removing the fundamental is something I have been doing for a long time, and it's really cool that someone else had the same idea! It's very nice to use wavetable plugins like Vital and Serum for bass, because they let you do this and you can create really good sounding bass patches that translate well to mono. I think the biggest point is that for the absolute tightest bass you want your sub frequencies to always be mono, and usually the most clean of a sine wave as possible. Obviously, this is sometimes left in as a creative decision so there are no hard rules of course.
This is an interesting take on phase cancellation for beginners, but as someone who's most likely been in the production industry longer than you; i'll explain why we use mono for bass. This is because when playing your music at a venue, most will have a Left/Right in for the mixers being used in the booth. This is why in bass music, the sub (sine) and kick are most prevalently heard. The rest is done through proper mid/side routing, and depending on what you make? could involve a multitude of effects such as stereo shaping, expansion, etc. So, to not make this too long, everything below 200hz gets the mono treatment. afterwards, you can expand (And of course its not as simple as just making it mono, most use Ozone imager for this, so good start; but there's levels to go on this topic.
I think there's more fundamental physical explanation for why mono is typically used for bass in a true stereo environment.
Stereo effects are produced due to the distance between our ears, or microphones or whatever.
For lower frequencies in nature, the phase differences our ears perceive is lesser than for higher frequencies, because the wavelength is longer (so the time delay between the signals is lesser relative to the wavelength). And so our ears would need to be further apart to perceive the same kind of phasing effect perceived on higher frequencies.
As such, it's not surprising that forcing a stereo effect on the bass in a headphone setup doesn't sound very natural or pleasing
@@tomsutton6451 This is very true. Most bass that ranges between the 35-200hz areas sound rather unnatural when set to stereo, which is why the image is generally tightened in mastering for the lower ends, with expansion towards the mid-high ranges, but i can tell i'm talking to someone that's quite versed in stereo fielding and mid-side compression technique, so that one's for the readers for certain.
While i see this as a great explanation for stereo phase cancellation, and how to avoid it, i can't say the video itself is great for theory on bass design. Most times, you wont deal with phase issues in those ranges, as the only thing hitting those frequency ranges are going to consist of the kick, and sub bass layers of a synth/VST/AU patch. Higher frequencies? There's definitely a lot of room for marginal errors, as there's more going on in the mids and highs, as thats where most of the activity is going on considering vocals, snares, and other elements of any given track are taking place there, rather than the lower frequencies.
I appreciate your insight on this, and hope this comment thread turns into something educational for up-and-coming producers.
Alice thank you. I love how you explain concepts with visuals. Makes you one of the best channels for music production.
Something important to note is why you would pick one way or the other and it usually applies to what you want to do with your low end in the first place.
The most typical use case is when you’re using a reese bass and want to preserve the movement from phase cancellation. Even though the sun frequencies come in and out, there is a beating pulse that can sometimes be desirable. In this case go for the soft fix issues.
The easier route on the other hand is the hard method because it guarantees a solid low end. One thing I’d keep in mind is trying match your mod and high layer with the appropriate low end wave form (you don’t have to, just makes the entire sound more cohesive sometimes)
Great video and demonstrations^
FANTASTIC explanation! I haven't thought of the "remove fundamental" option for this, mind blown! 👏👏👏
High production value, clear concise explanations, getting to the point quickly--this is one of the best videos I've seen on mixing and music making in general. Love love LOVE use of paper and markers. Subscribed!
I think this is one of your best videos. Clear, with diverse ways of communicating the information. Thank you!
cool, thank you. Was always separating the sub from bass with EQ, and mono-ing only sub, but gonna try the "remove fundamental" approach, as this way seems to be a lil cleaner
Really like how you explain things ! Very well done and clear for beginners.
Wow. Well I'M hooked. You are a wonderful teacher! I've just stumbled into the room of sound design + engineering recently and content like this is INVALUABLE. Many thanks! ☮
I find this video deeply philosophical: several tips, such as the Pareto curve, overproducing and perfectionism, suitably modified, can be applied to other types of artistic production or even in everyday life. I, for example, destroyed my existence with excessive perfectionism that often ended up blocking me. I just discovered this channel: I signed up immediately!
The way you explain this was so intuitive! Thanks for your teaching style! Keep it up!
This is top notch production. Appreciate the efforts. You could have easily just showed a digital standard depiction of waves but instead you demonstrated this amazing little physics experiment.
Truly wonderful!
You have a great channel. Thanks for shedding light on audio stuff that is specifically geared towards electronic/dance music.
I'm always amazed by the editing in your videos. Its really well made, I also enjoy that you teach us a bunch of cool stuff. Thanks Alice!
Super appreciate the effort you got to visualize things it's fun and helps me understand things. Tips from you are always solid. But your presenting is good to !
You are a joy to watch, so well explained and so in detail. I wish you all the best with what your doing with one of the best channels I have seen. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
One of your best videos to date! Really great work Alice!!! 🔥
Aww thank you Will! ♥️
I love the story telling you bring in your tutorials and lessons! fresh way to learn :)
Woah! Thnx , I never knew that is phasing is such big of an issue!
Your explanations are so intriguing to watch all the time
when it is just two waves , its easy to understand , but for multiple voices and to many sounds, it gets messier and then there's no turning back hehe!
your vids are so helpful and informative in a really easily watchable way, thank you so much!
This is amazing Alice, many thanks, great tip and solutions ;)
You are a true gem Alice! Fantastic visual and practical explanations.
Moving mountains with your help! Thank you so much. 🙏✨
I really liked the demonstration at the beginning. Love your videos, easy sub!
You explain this incredibly well! I've been having some questions about bass and mono versus stereo and I got everything answered here. Thank you!
Great video, this is one of the most useful explanations I found. Phase it's such a complicate topic but is made it clearer to me
Excellent. Well presented and explained.
Hands down one of the best production channels on youtube. It's crazy how your quality just keeps improving and you always have more tips to share. Thank you so much!
Wow first time seeing your content and already a fan! ❤ Great production for an even clearer explanation of the phenomena. You rock!!
you could also just turn down the unisono width in serum if you actually want a wobblier low end (sometimes desirable with reeses actually) but also keep it mono. you can also use the high pass filter with key tracking in serum (although removing fundamental is the best way) if you want to go the old school way but also have the filter move with the pitch, imo that's a bit better than using a static filter :)
Glad I found this! So helpful. Clean up the low end and the highs start to open up on their own
The last song I worked on had this exact issue and now I know how to fix it. Thank you for the fantastic content!
Very nice explanation of the topic! I'm impressed with the visual effort you put into this. Great work!
You can also split the sound in low and high freqs. If you want no phasing in the lows take a utility and select left or right instead of mono, in this way you get completely get rid off the phase cancelation and you keep the character of the sound intact.
Jeez. Again, dropping knowledge bombs everywhere. What I knew was close but with just a little of your guidance, I've finally got that sound I want. ty
This is a great video and helped me out a lot, thanks for the thorough explanation and multiple solutions!
Great tuto, as always, Thank you! :)
verrry nicely put. THank you!
Amazing video ! Thanks a lot for all of thèse video 😉🙏
Really love all these tutorials, keep on going
In the hard way to stabilize the sub frequencies, why I should remove the fondamental if just after I set an EQ up with an high pass ?
Is the same thing no ? 🤔
Or mainly as you said to avoid the phasis pb, because when you put an EQ we create phasis move ?
Good content, explained the problem and demonstrated how to solve it, perfect.
Going to use this video with my padawans, because people sometimes struggle to understand my tech-nerd train of thought when it comes to basic principles of audio engineering, thanks a lot 😅
Awesome video! It's also worth mentioning linear phase EQ, for example Pro-Q can be switched to linear phase mode.
Thank you so much for your effort in the the community ! your stuff is fire and gold!
Damn, Alice! This is one of the best vids I’ve ever seen on this topic. Been struggling with bass on a track recently this is a MASSIVE help!
Yoooo! Thank you so much! I really get the phase cancellation now and it's solutions.
A great help I wasn’t aware of, thanks!
I appreciate the effort here. I also do animations on my (much smaller) channel and I know the enormous amount of time it takes to make everything look this clean and concise! Great explanation also, a very clear way to walk through a confusing topic. ✌
Your efforts are also greatly appreciated on your equally awesome channel bruv
@@random_meteor Cheers mate! Hopefully lots more great things to come this year! :)
Would also be important to notice that EQ3 crossfades are also rotating phase, it is especially drastic with 48 dB option
Thanks a lot, I really needed this tip!😉💯👏🏼
Just discovered your channel your explanation is very clear and helpful
Great video! Be careful in Serum with the random phase knob when you do subs. Set it to 0 so the sine will always start in the Same position.
Loved this video! should we apply this same concept with bright leads as well?
Another thing to watch out for (especially if using analog synths) is if the start of the notes are in phase. Meaning the oscillators may be drifting in and out of tune, but looking at the waveforms and just sliding the clips slightly to line up the rising or falling edges at the start of the part can help correct a lot of the phase issues. Then you can also apply these techniques after if needed.
This also works between multiple instruments. Like you can examine if the first peaks of the kick and bass are aligned with one another, for example, so that one is not pulling away from the other on the transient.
This is a subject I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on and still managed to learn something new (remove fundamental from the wavetable 🤯 GENIUS) Also didn't realize Ozone imager kept the phase intact!
I love your videos, please don't ever stop!
Excellent video. Priceless info.👍🎧
Very good explanation and great content! I wanted to highlight one point and get your thoughts on it. In the soft solution when you frequency split with the EQ Three isn't there a frequency dip around the crossover point (134Hz)?
How I fix this problem in one instance in serum : edit both oscillators, select process, remove fundamental, engage the sub oscillator, done. (Sorry I don’t mean to hiJack ur video)
I have never seen someone explain things so well! Outstanding! Bravo! 👏
Wow! Finally I got it & that I need to do this all the time! Thank you so much!
one of your best videos Alice. Thank you so very much
Hey Alice, thank you for the content as always, your content is absolutely gold, and I owe 90% of what I know to this channel :)
Thanks for that video. I wasn’t familiar with removing fundamental frequency in serum. Can you do that in other soft synths?
Wow. My first video I've watched from you and just wow. You explain things so that they are very understandable. Bravo!
Thank you for all the work you put in , this helps a lot !
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I'm not great with numbers and super technical terms. Im a very visual learner and you did a great job of illustrating the concept for me in a way that is genuinely understandable.
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Usually, I'm using a limiter and I'm dropping the ceiling until the signal is flat (of course adding gain after). Works for bass/sub-bass or something that doesn't need to have a broad dynamic range.
Now learning more about compression thanks again.
Something interesting I tried was this: after splitting a stereo waveform into its constituent parts (bass, vocals, drums, other) using splitter software, I noticed my bass stem was fluctuating a lot (typical when splitting music like this). I loaded my bass stem into Alchemy using the additive synthesis function. The result, as it was resynthesised using pure sine waves, ended up a LOT cleaner and consistent than before! It doesn’t work as well with more complex sounds, but give it a try!
this was awesome thanks so much!
thanks. this video is really helpful for understanding bass
Really nice and concise video, I have been using the fundamental trick for DNB ever since I saw it in one of your shorts hehe
"Remove fundamental" feature of Serum is awesome and quite unique. I haven't seen that in other synths. Since I don't own Serum, I use hi-pass filter and keytracking in Pigments or find and remove manually the fundamental harmonic in Vital's wavetable editor. Putting static EQ in FX chain has a downside - when you play different note, your frequency 'split' point should move as well, so doing that with keytracked hi-pass filter and sub is a better workaround.
Wonderfull visualisation! 😀
Hey Alice, cool look at the bass issue. what DAW are you using ? and do you have support for Logic Pro in your presets?
Definitely a damn good video!!! You explain everything with such ease and it shows that you really do know what you are talking about and doing it well! Also, sidenote, you look amazing here! Cheers to seeing you live out your life as you see best! I've seen videos in the past but this one, has convinced me that I really need to be a subscriber like NOW!!
Great video Alice. I have been trying to tell my students this for a long time and now I will just direct them to your video.
WHEre did you get that Serum Mercurial Tones? Is that different from the standard Serum? Also, would I group the same sub bass in Operator and pan one hard left and the other hard right?
Excellent video!!. What about using mid side, can this be another technique to solve this issue?
You can use an EQ for center and another for the sides.
The trick to remove the fundamental in Serum is very creative, thanks!
Thank you for the ultimate infographics, I now have a better understanding of waves and compression.
Extremely well made video, easy to understand demonstrations
Honestly, you have given the best tips for producing than most people, and thank you for sharing!