Hey you know what I love the most about your videos ? It's that they're super useful to me even if I absolutely don't make the same kind of music as you ! :) You always manage to explain general concepts in a very clear way and I haven't seen many youtube channels doing it so well (Sorry if my english is bad btw...)
I have a love/hate relationship with how right you are and how MANY "bad" traits I still do in production. Thank you so much for what you do! Much love, girl
I hope you don't mind, this is a great video and it made me think about the K9 Kicks sample pack I got recently, where kicks are split into transients and the bodies which really helped me to get the kicks just right! Keep it going, great channel!
Okay, so an Ableton CT shared your channel & it's amazing. Thanks for making so amazing videos. This will help a lot in & out of the classroom. I can't help wonder, is there a way to get access to the flow charts? Stay cool Alice
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words and give my hugs to your Ableton CT.❤️ Kick frequency chart (A bit more advanced version of it) is available only for the melodic techno low end course at the moment. Just to give them something of an extra. 😊
Just discovered this channel and I must say, your content is absolutely phenomenal. Then I went to check out your Spotify and was blown away. You are very generous with your skills, thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
Thanks for such a clear explanation. I think this is one of your best videos yet. I recently got a handle on how multi-band compression keeps my low end elements under control and working together, but this video helped me realize that I've probably been making kick drum selections that later get in my way.
Alice, You go SUPER-HARD with the instructions you give in your video. That is EXTREMELY APPRECIATED more than words can express. The information you provide is PRICELESS. Please don't ever change. You are a DIAMOND to the audio community and your gifts of knowledge are needed in these times where it seems like everyone is only trying to sell this level of knowledge. So, Again I say BIG THANK YOU.
Dear wisdom queen. Quick question. I asked you previously about moving things off the grid to be less repetitive, but I think I'm a psychopath or a cyborg because that's the only way things feel right. Do you have any advice for how far to move things or is there some other way to do it with a plug-in or something? I'd love to see an example of a full track so i can see how you align and misalign things on the grid. 🖤 Thank you.
Thanks for another great video! Love the effort you put into these, the amount of info, while still being laid back enough to speak your mind and give deeper insight. Carrying on with this theme, I'd love to see a dive into the tonal aspects of other percs, mainly hi hats and claps. I feel I often meet producers who aren't aware that while some things are atonal, more often than not all percussion is playing notes, and becoming more aware of those notes and their interplay in scales can create much more expressive, emotional music. Like how toms, kicks and snare are generally tuned on a drum set. Experimenting with the pitch of individual drum elements can really change the feel in the context of a song and it would be cool to bring that subject of which intervals/patterns work best into focus in the community. Punchy four on the floor drums would be a good example. What makes objectively more musical/danceable great BOOTS + CATS vs weak boots + cats (outside of the important nuance of masterful groove/swing) Hopefully that makes sense.
I learn so much from every video you put out and I don't even make the type of music you make, but I still can implement the knowledge to my own productions. Thank you so much for the value you bring to us all
Great tutorials! Keep up with these, they are very informative regardless of genre. Do you happen to have a suggestion on hard techno kicks that you would recommend? Most of sample packs I have downloaded come with very distorted, overprocessed kicks that can't really deliver.
1:48....hmmmm. Think it has to be 3 Kilo hertz and not 3 thousand Kilohertz... ;) 3000 Khtz is 3 megahertz, right? ;) Just a note ok....I really pay attention to your videos Alice so don¨t take me wrong here ok. Keep the good work and tutorials! :) Love & Peace!
Hei! Great job! Could I make a remake of this video for almost "not english speaking" country? And I have a few questions about bad kicks! 1. I tried so hard to find samples with DC offset, but I didn`t find anything at all) I found only your example in google for the whole piece of someone`s track. 2. I`m using FL Studio and I can't see the stereo component of the samples, so I can't see the stereo tail of the kick! Dispel my backwardness and incompetence! Are kick's samples often stereo at all? 3. And the stupidest question! Where do you find these "bad samples"! I thought that all modern samplepacks already include only good ones! Thanks in advance for the answers and good luck!
Bad kicks: 3:42 DC Offset: signal is not balanced, one side will clip when volume is turned up. 4:18 Stereo-tail: L/R are not the same, will phase each other out, must be mono to sound best. 5:10 Late peak: loudest part of kick isn't at the beginning, which will hurt your mix. 5:17 Extreme clipping: kick sample is already clipping before any effects. 5:37 Too low fundamental: if the frequency is below 30hz it can't be heard as well. 6:17 Messed up waveforms: pitch of kick is changing throughout sample, you want equal space between the waves.
I hope it's not really 3000 kHz.... That's a little higher than my hearing. 🤪 Just kidding. Thanks for another good video. Lots of kicks are good; it depends on how it fits with the track, as you show. ✅
A good kick makes effective contact with the mandible. Oops, wrong channel. Another great tutorial Alice, is there no end to your talents? Love and light ❤
Great video, saw a lot of kick tutorials. If you do another kick video, please talk about why we can feel a good kick in the body and what's wrong if we can't.
hey , I would like to thank you very much, you have helped me many times, although I use Reason , but basically it is the same.many greetings from Frankfurt
another interesting alternative to Kick 2 is Dawsome Chop Suey. There you can assemble the Transient, Body and Tail sequentially instead of layering. Nice approach imo.
Speaking of DC offset. Do you people know of any filer plugin that adds DC offset? I can use serum to create a DC signal but I need a filter doing that all the time.
I feel the song fatigue. Idk if its just me but I can actually work myself into a sort of daze, and the main sound gets stuck in my head but not in a fun way. I learned to only work for 3-4 hours at a time before breaking
people that don't remove the sample-start click from their kicks need to go straight to jail. not the transient, like 1-2 millisecond artifact at the start.
Great tutorial, as always. Quick question about a tonal kick. I understand the benefits when the kick is tuned to F and the bass also is playing F. But what happens when the bass note changes? Wouldn't that introduce dissonance in the low end with the kick hitting F all the time? Or maybe it doesn't matter because the sound is short lived? As an extension of that question, the whole concept of tuning a drum makes sense, but ... what do you tune it to? Thanks for helping clearing that up.
you say go to beatport to hear top tracks to see what kicks people are buying... you dont show how you get the kick ? where you buy them ? or you use them for reference ?
Got to mention that Angerfist ist Hardcore not Hardstyle ;) but a well video where I learned why my older kicks sound so messed up and I never figured the issue, now I do, thank you very much Alice
Good video. I don't make edm, just sometimes for fun. But I get the point, kick choice matters and it really does, no matter what genre you make. Although I like to experiment and not use what I am "supposed to" use. That's because I want to be a little different. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not 😆
Making music for 10+ years... kick and bass mastery is a form of art. The science won't get you far, but it certainly does help in some ways. Also your sample pack is essential for me lol.
It would be interesting to see this approach in a hybrid drum kit for folks who make live music with some electronic extras. I feel since the drummer likes to add some embellishments it is usually better to have shorter kicks.
wow, super helpful video. I've been making music for a few years now and kicks are probably the thing I struggle with the most, giving examples on different contexts here was super helpful.
But that’s for example the problem. The transient is difficult to create yourself as a new techno kick and the rumble don’t affect cutting your headroom. For my right now I really struggles with the mix between a powerful rumble and a kick that don’t reach a good quality transient even if I change the sample or if I layered it
Try this for a change and more control Just a few tips. - Set op your rumble chain as a return track. - transients are not important to spend a lot of time on...just take the clicky part from any sample you like.(snares can work also) It is basicly a high layer, so volume should be not too loud - 12 db for example when the kick is - 8. - most modern kicks are saturated on the kickgroup...but also as a layer do not overdo it...less is better.... - a limiter on layers keeps it balanced and catching the different in peaks. - mono (utility has that option) layers -Use compression (glue)at the end of your kickgroup..(when you use the rumble return channel it does not goes to trough the compressor)
This is an excellent video. I've seen a few other videos about kick sounds, but this is the only one so far that breaks it down into relevant theoretical analysis. It will be particularly useful for building suitable kick sounds out of other samples if I'm doing more experimental stuff (I might plan to do that at some point). Bookmarking this one - and I just subscribed. Thank you!
this will do wonders for my rhythm section (drum/bass). after the kick is the vocals. thank you. Edification for Alice's "DC offset": ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxqdKhDbD2DY-1UApq_uLk748d-Z1TCGi8
great overview on different types of kicks and kick problems. that kick with the pitch drifts sounded awkward af. it would actually make a great challenge trying to come up with a musical context for it. something that unironically makes it the most favorable kick
I live by this quote from Joel Zimmerman, "Kicks make kicks and Bass makes bass." High-pass out all frequencies 100hz and below on any kick unless you're not using a dedicated bass track elsewhere in the mix.
Hey you know what I love the most about your videos ? It's that they're super useful to me even if I absolutely don't make the same kind of music as you ! :) You always manage to explain general concepts in a very clear way and I haven't seen many youtube channels doing it so well
(Sorry if my english is bad btw...)
Happy to hear that! Thank you😊
(your english is not bad, don't worry!) -- native english speaker
I wish I had this level of tutorial when i started 23 years ago. I would have saved so much time.
you still have plenty of time. everyone is on their own path. you're obviously still alive. Lets hear what you can do now?
I'd love to hear more about toms, I always struggle with them
Really? I think it's a mental thing. I'm a 20 year plus drummer who doesn't or hardly uses toms in any of my electronic music.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 yeah me neither but I'd like to, because I know a lot of tracks where I think the toms really add a lot of groove
I avoid them😂🤣
It's easy to get carried away with them and overshoot the target. I'm busy learning how to use them right. It's a rabbithole on it's own... 🙃
Same here 😅
Another brilliant episode by the awesome queen of production theory! Thx! Best , random Swedish hungry producer 😅
Aww thanks a ton! Keep making music you random Swedish hungry producer! ❤️
I have a love/hate relationship with how right you are and how MANY "bad" traits I still do in production. Thank you so much for what you do! Much love, girl
First! A good kick is the one that fits your arrangement, has the right length for the groove, cuts through the mix 🤔
Pretty much 😊
The amount of time & effort that goes into these videos must be insane.
This is quality content!
I hope you don't mind, this is a great video and it made me think about the K9 Kicks sample pack I got recently, where kicks are split into transients and the bodies which really helped me to get the kicks just right! Keep it going, great channel!
Okay, so an Ableton CT shared your channel & it's amazing. Thanks for making so amazing videos. This will help a lot in & out of the classroom. I can't help wonder, is there a way to get access to the flow charts? Stay cool Alice
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words and give my hugs to your Ableton CT.❤️
Kick frequency chart (A bit more advanced version of it) is available only for the melodic techno low end course at the moment. Just to give them something of an extra. 😊
Just discovered this channel and I must say, your content is absolutely phenomenal. Then I went to check out your Spotify and was blown away. You are very generous with your skills, thank you for taking the time to make these videos.
Thank you so much! ❤❤
Thanks for such a clear explanation. I think this is one of your best videos yet. I recently got a handle on how multi-band compression keeps my low end elements under control and working together, but this video helped me realize that I've probably been making kick drum selections that later get in my way.
Alice, You go SUPER-HARD with the instructions you give in your video.
That is EXTREMELY APPRECIATED more than words can express.
The information you provide is PRICELESS.
Please don't ever change.
You are a DIAMOND to the audio community and your gifts of knowledge are needed in these times where it seems like everyone is only trying to sell this level of knowledge.
So, Again I say BIG THANK YOU.
Dear wisdom queen. Quick question. I asked you previously about moving things off the grid to be less repetitive, but I think I'm a psychopath or a cyborg because that's the only way things feel right. Do you have any advice for how far to move things or is there some other way to do it with a plug-in or something? I'd love to see an example of a full track so i can see how you align and misalign things on the grid. 🖤 Thank you.
Thanks for another great video! Love the effort you put into these, the amount of info, while still being laid back enough to speak your mind and give deeper insight. Carrying on with this theme, I'd love to see a dive into the tonal aspects of other percs, mainly hi hats and claps. I feel I often meet producers who aren't aware that while some things are atonal, more often than not all percussion is playing notes, and becoming more aware of those notes and their interplay in scales can create much more expressive, emotional music. Like how toms, kicks and snare are generally tuned on a drum set. Experimenting with the pitch of individual drum elements can really change the feel in the context of a song and it would be cool to bring that subject of which intervals/patterns work best into focus in the community. Punchy four on the floor drums would be a good example. What makes objectively more musical/danceable great BOOTS + CATS vs weak boots + cats (outside of the important nuance of masterful groove/swing) Hopefully that makes sense.
You can fix DC offset with a HPF on 20hz, But i'm not sure if that's the best option to do in that case, probably is better to change your kick.
another great video from Alice (and the day has structure)
For a kick with a loud transient I'd probably use a hard clipper or sample edit the volume of that portion to correct it.
I have watched many of your videos!
Super!
I learn so much from every video you put out and I don't even make the type of music you make, but I still can implement the knowledge to my own productions. Thank you so much for the value you bring to us all
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Wow! All aspects of kicks sound design in 10 minutes! Beautifully amazing! Thank goodness, thank you!
Great tutorials! Keep up with these, they are very informative regardless of genre. Do you happen to have a suggestion on hard techno kicks that you would recommend? Most of sample packs I have downloaded come with very distorted, overprocessed kicks that can't really deliver.
1:48....hmmmm. Think it has to be 3 Kilo hertz and not 3 thousand Kilohertz... ;) 3000 Khtz is 3 megahertz, right? ;)
Just a note ok....I really pay attention to your videos Alice so don¨t take me wrong here ok. Keep the good work and tutorials! :) Love & Peace!
Hei! Great job! Could I make a remake of this video for almost "not english speaking" country?
And I have a few questions about bad kicks!
1. I tried so hard to find samples with DC offset, but I didn`t find anything at all) I found only your example in google for the whole piece of someone`s track.
2. I`m using FL Studio and I can't see the stereo component of the samples, so I can't see the stereo tail of the kick! Dispel my backwardness and incompetence! Are kick's samples often stereo at all?
3. And the stupidest question! Where do you find these "bad samples"! I thought that all modern samplepacks already include only good ones!
Thanks in advance for the answers and good luck!
Bad kicks:
3:42 DC Offset: signal is not balanced, one side will clip when volume is turned up.
4:18 Stereo-tail: L/R are not the same, will phase each other out, must be mono to sound best.
5:10 Late peak: loudest part of kick isn't at the beginning, which will hurt your mix.
5:17 Extreme clipping: kick sample is already clipping before any effects.
5:37 Too low fundamental: if the frequency is below 30hz it can't be heard as well.
6:17 Messed up waveforms: pitch of kick is changing throughout sample, you want equal space between the waves.
I hope it's not really 3000 kHz.... That's a little higher than my hearing. 🤪 Just kidding. Thanks for another good video. Lots of kicks are good; it depends on how it fits with the track, as you show. ✅
A good kick makes effective contact with the mandible. Oops, wrong channel. Another great tutorial Alice, is there no end to your talents? Love and light ❤
Great video, saw a lot of kick tutorials. If you do another kick video, please talk about why we can feel a good kick in the body and what's wrong if we can't.
Your knowledge is amazing I been really taking my time learning production to a science and you have help answer a lot of questions I have tanks
"And this will be followed by the buddy of the kick" is what it said in the auto-generated captions. Made me laugh haha
hey , I would like to thank you very much, you have helped me many times, although I use Reason , but basically it is the same.many greetings from Frankfurt
another interesting alternative to Kick 2 is Dawsome Chop Suey. There you can assemble the Transient, Body and Tail sequentially instead of layering. Nice approach imo.
For years I thought you were saying “thumb” of the kick but you are saying “thump” 😂
(This makes more sense but I like thumb better)
You're one of the only people I learn from because I don't trust other people haha. You are amazing.
wow I understand much better now what I do with compressors on kick thanks your explanation of the waveform! thanks you!
Speaking of DC offset. Do you people know of any filer plugin that adds DC offset?
I can use serum to create a DC signal but I need a filter doing that all the time.
Thanks for your precious knowleges, i learn by myself and it really helps me composing !
How come I find more knowledge here than from the big engineers here on UA-cam? This is nothing but pure awesomeness! Would you marry me?
I just use a TR-909 and have no problems with kicks, toms, snares, hi-hats and so on 🎉
I feel the song fatigue. Idk if its just me but I can actually work myself into a sort of daze, and the main sound gets stuck in my head but not in a fun way. I learned to only work for 3-4 hours at a time before breaking
Wow, thanks! If the kick's transient is high frequency does it mean I should sidechain the hi hats and other high transients, right?
people that don't remove the sample-start click from their kicks need to go straight to jail. not the transient, like 1-2 millisecond artifact at the start.
awesome video! great perspective on how different kicks work for different track situations. thanks
in engineering i learned to cut mostly under 50hz, that for sure will sound good in any system. what is your expereince cutting under 30 or under 50?
DC offset also is dangerous for the speakers. It makes the woofer move sudden, instead of smooth.
Great tutorial, as always. Quick question about a tonal kick. I understand the benefits when the kick is tuned to F and the bass also is playing F. But what happens when the bass note changes? Wouldn't that introduce dissonance in the low end with the kick hitting F all the time? Or maybe it doesn't matter because the sound is short lived? As an extension of that question, the whole concept of tuning a drum makes sense, but ... what do you tune it to? Thanks for helping clearing that up.
Try tuning it to the fundamental key/pitch in instances like that
I have looked for good kicks all my life im sure top djs use some unpublished versions
you say go to beatport to hear top tracks to see what kicks people are buying... you dont show how you get the kick ? where you buy them ? or you use them for reference ?
I like to add little bit overdrive saturation and other type distortions. Just a bit of something else
Why use kick samples, when we have a such nice tool like Kick2? I make all my kicks with that.
а я влюбился.....(❁´◡`❁) что мне делать?
What tools/software do you use to edit your videos??? they're awesome!
Got to mention that Angerfist ist Hardcore not Hardstyle ;) but a well video where I learned why my older kicks sound so messed up and I never figured the issue, now I do, thank you very much Alice
Correct, also hardstyle uses more than 2 transients (and mostly heavy eq + distortion).
Good video. I don't make edm, just sometimes for fun. But I get the point, kick choice matters and it really does, no matter what genre you make. Although I like to experiment and not use what I am "supposed to" use. That's because I want to be a little different. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not 😆
Making music for 10+ years... kick and bass mastery is a form of art. The science won't get you far, but it certainly does help in some ways. Also your sample pack is essential for me lol.
It would be interesting to see this approach in a hybrid drum kit for folks who make live music with some electronic extras. I feel since the drummer likes to add some embellishments it is usually better to have shorter kicks.
Been producing for five years and yet I had to watch this till the end. Thanks for covering this subject in depth.
Coming here to revisit this one... Great video!
Do you like Hardstyle/Hardcore too? :)
ready to start using some tunnel kicks
Thankyou. Helpfull.. you beautiful ❤
wow, super helpful video. I've been making music for a few years now and kicks are probably the thing I struggle with the most, giving examples on different contexts here was super helpful.
Concise, great graphical explanations and a good range of genres covered. Excellent video
GOOD SHIT!
WINNABLE!
Can you do a similar video for snares or hihats?
Maybe😊
@@Alice-Efe Awesome :) I found this one to be very helpful!
Plz
Really appreciate you showing abnormal looking or ‘wonky’ kicks, it’s more applicable to real life situations!
You're my favorite teacher
Great video! thank you!
These are all great rules of thumb!
by the way it's not hi-lo but bjarki thx
But that’s for example the problem. The transient is difficult to create yourself as a new techno kick and the rumble don’t affect cutting your headroom.
For my right now I really struggles with the mix between a powerful rumble and a kick that don’t reach a good quality transient even if I change the sample or if I layered it
Try this for a change and more control
Just a few tips.
- Set op your rumble chain as a return track.
- transients are not important to spend a lot of time on...just take the clicky part from any sample you like.(snares can work also)
It is basicly a high layer, so volume should be not too loud - 12 db for example when the kick is - 8.
- most modern kicks are saturated on the kickgroup...but also as a layer do not overdo it...less is better....
- a limiter on layers keeps it balanced and catching the different in peaks.
- mono (utility has that option) layers
-Use compression (glue)at the end of your kickgroup..(when you use the rumble return channel it does not goes to trough the compressor)
My kick dont sound bad.
jk yes it does
I owe this woman a lot of my music success. Thank you Alice!
bro he she have a sword
@@josuev.rrj454 someones genitals is relevant to making music now?
Not a woman. And that's not transphobic, just sticking to objective biological reality.
@@moresnqp maybe it is...
@@who_is_dis It literally is transphobic
you are gold
you really know how to rock on it haha congrats
this video is amazing
what is a bad kick sample ?
This is an excellent video. I've seen a few other videos about kick sounds, but this is the only one so far that breaks it down into relevant theoretical analysis. It will be particularly useful for building suitable kick sounds out of other samples if I'm doing more experimental stuff (I might plan to do that at some point). Bookmarking this one - and I just subscribed. Thank you!
Aww happy to hear that and welcome to our community! ❤️
7:09 magic gem folks
Nice. Very well done.
An excellent video.
I totally didn't misread 'body' as 'booty' of the kick. Nope, I did not. I swear. Anyway, great breakdown of kicks. Thank you!
I am gonna steal and use "kick booty" in my future videos, thank you for that.❤️😅
@@Alice-Efe Hah! You're welcome 😆
thank you :)
Very interesting
Great video 🎶
Thank you for the content! It has helped me a lot. Tack så mycket!
Happy to help and thank you for your kind tip! 😊✌️
Amazing tips
Masterclass.
Nice dress😊
🤩good to see you.
Thank you for new fresh portion of wisdom
Happy to help, always! 😊
can you make a tutorial to create our own kick from a synth (serum, sylenth, stock plugins...) please ?
Nice! 👌
this will do wonders for my rhythm section (drum/bass). after the kick is the vocals. thank you. Edification for Alice's "DC offset": ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxqdKhDbD2DY-1UApq_uLk748d-Z1TCGi8
thx
WOW
great overview on different types of kicks and kick problems. that kick with the pitch drifts sounded awkward af. it would actually make a great challenge trying to come up with a musical context for it. something that unironically makes it the most favorable kick
congratulations from Italy! You are very prepared. your videos are more interesting than many found on youtube! brava, brava!
I live by this quote from Joel Zimmerman, "Kicks make kicks and Bass makes bass."
High-pass out all frequencies 100hz and below on any kick unless you're not using a dedicated bass track elsewhere in the mix.
Kick 2 is so easy to use that i can highly recommend it to everyone. D16 punchbox is allso great for dirtier kicks ✌️🔥
hi Alice - great vid as always! quick question... what do you recommend tuning the kick to? the root note of the song?