edit: some poop eater filed a (false) copyright claim on this video for the music. the whole system is fucked and there's no point fighting it. youtube has a new option to use AI to only remove the bits of detected music and only leave the voice, so that's what some parts of the video have. sorry if some of the video is weird & ty for understanding o7 this video is officially just history as of dec 17th 2021 www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=101361 www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=101867 www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=102740
Hamilton The sudden F-bomb after spending the rest of the video very clinically discussing why projectiles act the way they do in Source just further drives home how ridiculous that specific bug is. One specific weapon is completely non-functional over an entire segment of map because it interacts in an unintended way with the hitbox of the *scripted victory cutscene*. That’s just objectively hilarious.
“Opening up badwater in hammer it turns out the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the bounding box of the FUCKING explosion animation that play when the cart reached the end” I almost spit out my water xd
"opening up badwater in hammer, it turns out the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the *bounding box of the fucking explosion animation that plays when the cart reaches the end* "
They aren't only now being discovered. The bounding boxes problems has been known by the community for ages now. But shounic was the only youtuber to do an entire video to focus on this single issue. Others normally bring it up as one of many glitches
The wrap assassin as other people have mentioned is commonly used. But having only one shot makes it less likely to discover these. There is no excuse for the bison tho, no one uses it
Valve : Okay so we heard there's a problem with the Wrap Assassin on Badwater, can you tell us where it's broken ? Shounic : Where it's broken you say ?!!!! WHERE IS IT NOT BROKEN !?!
5:06 I'm guessing this code was to fix the exploit where you could shoot the bison at gates like the spawn ones and they would just stay floating there until the door was opened, destroying everyone behind.
Wrong bug, it was for the Bison mines if you shot at a ramp the bison projectile would get stuck and if you spammed it, it would instantly kill anyone who walked over it.
_Before any physics are simulated, the game first uses some more efficient bounding boxes to check if the two balls are touching. If they are not, it's not gay._
It's been known for years, I made videos on it too 3 years ago and sent Valve emails, but it really needed someone with a bigger audience to point it out. That's basically the only chance Valve ever fixes something.
people have known about this for years but excluding the dragon's fury the weapons this is affecting are all really shit so I guess up until now no one really gave enough of a fuck to raise a proper stink about it
This is why i love this youtuber, many games go that one youtuber studying on the game itself, but for tf2 it was hard for me to find one till shounic startef doing these 200iq videos
The huntsman's arrow also breaks in similar situations when it has projectile penetration. Maybe you could make a short video demonstrating how it reacts as well?
There used to be an exploit a few years back that let you stack a bunch of the Bison's projectiles against a setup door indefinitely. This let you crash servers, and also let off a bunch of projectiles at once when setup time ended. I guess this was their fix.
Omfg, I had heard complaints in the community about the "Source Spaghetti," but I never knew the problem was this bad. One can only hope that Gaben will pass his eye over this game again and finally optimize it.
@@grim66 You'd be surprised. Apparently a community member is volunteering to help untangle it using the source code leak that happened last Summer. I think VNN did a video on it. We may have an optimized TF2 yet.
Dude this makes so much sense. I remember on tr_walkway I was practicing my tracking with Dragon's Fury and I literally couldn't hit enemies on the ramps. There must be the same problem on that map as well as these ones. Thanks for explaining.
The bison is weird, it would work way better as a machine pistol with less damage and no piercing. Same with the pomson which literally sounds like Thompson.
@@thenthson It's the hats isn't it? I mean, the whatever server game adresses for hats is already hurts the game. Can you be more speciffic, though? I'm just curious.
4:10 It is done to organize but there's literally no need for it to be func_lod. When you press CTRL+T to make a brush or selection of brushes into an entity the default is func_detail, which is fine and all you need. I don't know why the mapper would go out of his way to make it a func_lod, it's not like the render distance of this thing in particular is going to improve fps...
and in valvetime fashion, after several years, the potted plant in the dev team finally fixed nearly all of these in a random update November 15, 2021. Except the wrap assassin but who cares about that lmao. EDIT December 2, 2021: Little under a month later, with Smissmas 2021, the wrap assassin was given similar fixes but... after some testing the badwater basin jank shown in the video still exists so the wrap assassin remains a victim to source code spaghetti. You tried.
lmaooo shounic was so calm and professional the whole video and then he reaches the wrap assassin badwater part at 7:42 and goes 'the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the bounding box of the FUCKING explosion animation-'
next update -Fixed a bug involving a ramp on Gullywash blocking the player from firing the Righteous Bison. -Updated/Added some tournament medals. -Updated the localization files.
You're so calm and collected through the entire video, I lost it at "the bounding box of the *fucking* explosion animation," it just comes out of nowhere
I always love when you personify the engine or the game mechanics, it adds a comical layer when you insult the quirkiness and spaghetti of the code, making it seem like it’s the thing making the dumb mistakes
There’s 2 on Hightower as well, on the cart loading area thing, also for some reason, jumping near that area runs you into an invisible wall which tends to get you killed.
5:04 This was due to back in the days these energy projectile such as Pomson, Bison and Cow Mangler would just stay inside spawn/sliding doors and you can stack them up to create a literal nuke the next time an enemy interacts with the door while standing in front of said group projetile. Delfy once made a video on this long ago, probably 2 years ago if I'm not wrong. A bit of history for all you youngsters there.
i'm certain it also has to do with the the player hull being hit by the projectile first upon spawning (since the player entity does have a QPhysics bounding box)
I love how the wrap assassin bug is so major of an issue that the weapon literally cannot be used in a MASSIVE part of a very popular map, but it hadn't been noticed until now because nobody uses the wrap assassin.
I think the reason it does the “double check” with the Sandman is because the ball had physics afterwards, and it rolls, whereas the Wrap Assassin simply just breaks on contact.
Some of the guys from my community servers were talking about one of your videos the other night. Keep up the good work, the hardcore long time players love this stuff.
Maybe the reason that the Sandman ball doesn't get deleted while the Wrap Assassin ball does is because if the baseball doesn't hit a player it will start rolling on the ground, while the ornament will shatter upon impact no matter what it hits.
I was so confused as to why it seemed like the dragons fury never worked on those stairs on barnblitz, glad to finally see I wasn’t just bad at aiming.
The "Projectile Living Forever" thing was actually a glitch we got to see in-game, as well as covered in a delfy video. If you used the bison or pomson on certain doors and ramps, they would stay forever. In the case of doors, you could stack projectiles and open them creating one huge, high damage projectile.
That spagetti code is probably the old bison glitch where you could shoot it into spawn doors before a round and watched them escape as the doors open and delete enemies like a wall of death.
the fact that the ball of the wrap assassin just breaks upon impact is probably the reason that it doesn't work while the sandman does, because like the bison it doesn't check if it needs to consider something else first or if just deletes it
as a highlander scout the wrap assassin issue really is a pain in the ass on product considering i spend at least a quarter of the match on those stairs on concrete 🙄
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edit: some poop eater filed a (false) copyright claim on this video for the music. the whole system is fucked and there's no point fighting it. youtube has a new option to use AI to only remove the bits of detected music and only leave the voice, so that's what some parts of the video have. sorry if some of the video is weird & ty for understanding
o7
this video is officially just history as of dec 17th 2021
www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=101361
www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=101867
www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=102740
finally I can get spammed from the ramps in peace
About darn time, the flava continues living on!
Thank fcking god.
Buff the Bison.
liar. this was not fixed yet. there are still cases where this occur
Thank god, now I know where to hide when a soldier with a bison is gonna deal minimal damage to me.
*c r i t i c a l s h i t*
now I know*
Yeah, standing on those ramps causes you to take like 6 less damage per projectile.
Who tf uses bison?
@@RoadMC2 me
So this is why the Dragon's Fury projectile collides with air molecules.
imagine a game with actual microscopic details
Dragon Furry
@@yaboifab2 OH GOD NOOOOO!
@@stronkers136 too late
@@yaboifab2 DDD-: oh no... I can see the 13 yo. girls rise up... What have you done..??
Now THAT explains a lot about the Wrap Assassin hitting me for no reason at all. For Valve, it just works.
Wait, what the fuck why are you here Takeshi?
me either it was like
haha ornament go boom boom in hand
Happens all the time!
I was about to comment that
@@oarukano3360 Because I like TF2 and TF2 trivia.
I like how you have such a formal and informational way of speaking only for you to drop a hard passive aggressive comment or two
Hamilton The sudden F-bomb after spending the rest of the video very clinically discussing why projectiles act the way they do in Source just further drives home how ridiculous that specific bug is.
One specific weapon is completely non-functional over an entire segment of map because it interacts in an unintended way with the hitbox of the *scripted victory cutscene*. That’s just objectively hilarious.
“Opening up badwater in hammer it turns out the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the bounding box of the FUCKING explosion animation that play when the cart reached the end” I almost spit out my water xd
Like good 'ol KliksPhilip
"opening up badwater in hammer, it turns out the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the *bounding box of the fucking explosion animation that plays when the cart reaches the end* "
it brings me dopamine
Players: “The bison can’t be more shitty than it already is”
Bison: *Lmao watch this*
Disintegrates upon colliding with air molecule
It is a viable weapon. I recently got my strange one to 200 kills and I started questioning my sanity
'Viable', against morons that is. Seriously, it's the worst weapon in the game besides the claidhmor, the caber, the volcano fragment and the enforcer
@@woobgamer5210 Whatever you say about the Claid, i love trimping.
Diadomergaming555 Splendid Caber? Critsplosions and crit dmg :D
I love how these weapons are used so absolutely little that these MAJOR issues are only now being discovered
I use the wrap Assasian ;-;
They aren't only now being discovered. The bounding boxes problems has been known by the community for ages now. But shounic was the only youtuber to do an entire video to focus on this single issue. Others normally bring it up as one of many glitches
The wrap assassin is my favorite scout melee, actually! I know it's not super popular but I think it's fun.
The wrap assassin as other people have mentioned is commonly used. But having only one shot makes it less likely to discover these. There is no excuse for the bison tho, no one uses it
I swear I've seen a vid about the bison issue before
So basically Bison is melee weapon?
It's a melee with extra steps.
@@Straiferdt01 rick and morty reference?
it is either a melee weapon or a tank destroyer
*PERHAPS.*
it's a taser
That badwater wrap assasin error is genuinely horrifying to me. My favorite scout melee is being done dirty by the spaghetti code.
@Wizardry Wolf Art Thanks!
@@Danodan94 Yoo I missed that! I love TwoKinds! I haven't read in a few months, I think I'm gonna catch up tomorrow (it's 3am here)
I noticed and almost died of happiness. 😆
The longer that wrap assassin clip went on for the louder my internal "wow"'s got.
Actually same, wtf
Valve : Okay so we heard there's a problem with the Wrap Assassin on Badwater, can you tell us where it's broken ?
Shounic : Where it's broken you say ?!!!! WHERE IS IT NOT BROKEN !?!
Did they eventually get external?
5:06 I'm guessing this code was to fix the exploit where you could shoot the bison at gates like the spawn ones and they would just stay floating there until the door was opened, destroying everyone behind.
Anyone tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a pretty short-sighted and haphazardly made solution.
@@juicejooos No
Wrong bug, it was for the Bison mines if you shot at a ramp the bison projectile would get stuck and if you spammed it, it would instantly kill anyone who walked over it.
I remember that for the 45 seconds it existed before being patched
wait that was a thing?
this why is why the bison needs a buff
*because its too strong*
Oh, look who's there, how's it going?
Night_Sniper - idk. I’m doing good
Gman [GD] thanks for asking
🤔
Don't you mean nerf
That explains why I killed myself one time with the wrap assassin.
This is the type of magic that Merasmus doesn't want you to learn
1:08 Ah yes, we finally have context for Valve’s infamous code: _Should Ball Touch_
_Before any physics are simulated, the game first uses some more efficient bounding boxes to check if the two balls are touching. If they are not, it's not gay._
@@succubastard1019 LOL
@@succubastard1019 nice one
If the bounding boxes start touching, then the gay checker starts working. It makes a decision on wether what has happened is gay or not
@@ThatOneDude7 and it must go through a tedious process to analyse the existence of the variable "no homo" to make sure it's not an immediate not gay
so NO ONE has talked about this especially when it happens the most egregiously in badwater, one of the most famous tf2 maps?
It's been known for years, I made videos on it too 3 years ago and sent Valve emails, but it really needed someone with a bigger audience to point it out. That's basically the only chance Valve ever fixes something.
That awkward moment when almost a quarter of the whole video is dedicated to badwater...
people have known about this for years but excluding the dragon's fury the weapons this is affecting are all really shit so I guess up until now no one really gave enough of a fuck to raise a proper stink about it
Maybe cause almost NO ONE using wrap assasin in casual?
This is why i love this youtuber, many games go that one youtuber studying on the game itself, but for tf2 it was hard for me to find one till shounic startef doing these 200iq videos
can't wait for the two coders employed at valve to fix this in two years
How bold of you to assume its gonna be in two years
@@wiselychosenname2867 how about 2 decades?
Correction: Five
@@pieguy6992 Nah, it's going to be 7, as part of the 20th anniversary update
don’t forget to give credit to my man the potted plant
This seriously feels like some kind of April Fools video. I'm astonished.
What.
Welcome to Team Fortress 2
7:42 you can feel the anger from that single tone change
It made me bust out laughing
Everyone rants about bison, but noone ramps about bison.
Hystairical.
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Creative Name damn you
idk i liked the bison more than the bison
real guy who is, in fact, real? good heavens
I am sure this is valve's way of nerfing the wrap assassin, it'd be too good overwise
The huntsman's arrow also breaks in similar situations when it has projectile penetration. Maybe you could make a short video demonstrating how it reacts as well?
Wdym projectile penetration
@@bruschetta7711 MvM huntsman has projectile penetration upgrade
Probably because putting penetration on it turns it from a projectile into a physics object somewhere down inside the code
@@ramhevelio1802 oh yeah, i like MvM but i don't play it that much
There used to be an exploit a few years back that let you stack a bunch of the Bison's projectiles against a setup door indefinitely. This let you crash servers, and also let off a bunch of projectiles at once when setup time ended. I guess this was their fix.
Thanks Delfy.
Was fun :^)
Shut up furry
@@blestop5998 shut up Cottoneye Joe
@@JacobKinsley shut up gacha life fan
Omfg, I had heard complaints in the community about the "Source Spaghetti," but I never knew the problem was this bad. One can only hope that Gaben will pass his eye over this game again and finally optimize it.
Do you now feel our pain in the (almost dead) modding community? XD now, imagine waiting since 2008, FOR A FIX FOR SURFACE LADDERZ IN HAMMER, VALVE!!!
You can't unspaghetti a spaghetti
at this point they ought to just build a new engine and make Team Fortress 3 because I don't think that spaghetti's getting untangled any time soon
@@grim66
You'd be surprised. Apparently a community member is volunteering to help untangle it using the source code leak that happened last Summer. I think VNN did a video on it. We may have an optimized TF2 yet.
Dude this makes so much sense. I remember on tr_walkway I was practicing my tracking with Dragon's Fury and I literally couldn't hit enemies on the ramps. There must be the same problem on that map as well as these ones. Thanks for explaining.
"The game uses bounding boxes to check if the 2 balls are touching"
thats a epic line said by a epic tf2 gamer
The balls are inert
It's only gay if the balls touch
100 source units apart cuz they're not gay
But of course
Yet another reason to buff the bison
You mean nerf right?
*Don’t you dare.*
Brother
DON'T
The bison is weird, it would work way better as a machine pistol with less damage and no piercing. Same with the pomson which literally sounds like Thompson.
0:12 Gabens stomach is disgustingly mesmerizing
Wdym? Its pretty cute.
*sacredly
😳😳😳
Please do a take on Dragons furys unfair colliding with almost every projectile. How needles makes it worthless.
With how fast the DF is they should really make it hitscan
@@thejam0451 I guess, lol
@@thejam0451 or they could you know, fix projectiles
Wait... if the DF is considered a projectile, could you air blast it?
@@patchmoulton5438 Yup, it can be airblasted.
It's interesting how a shounic video being outdated is such a great thing.
TF2 "works" because of:
̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶d̶i̶n̶g̶
̶l̶o̶g̶i̶c̶
̶a̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶
̶t̶r̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶
*magic*
Sounds right
TF2 "works" because of:
MERASMUS!
*I t j u s t w o r k s*
You have no idea as to how much coding duct tape is needed to keep this crapstrorm running.
@@thenthson
It's the hats isn't it? I mean, the whatever server game adresses for hats is already hurts the game.
Can you be more speciffic, though? I'm just curious.
4:10
It is done to organize but there's literally no need for it to be func_lod.
When you press CTRL+T to make a brush or selection of brushes into an entity the default is func_detail, which is fine and all you need. I don't know why the mapper would go out of his way to make it a func_lod, it's not like the render distance of this thing in particular is going to improve fps...
and in valvetime fashion, after several years, the potted plant in the dev team finally fixed nearly all of these in a random update November 15, 2021. Except the wrap assassin but who cares about that lmao.
EDIT December 2, 2021: Little under a month later, with Smissmas 2021, the wrap assassin was given similar fixes but... after some testing the badwater basin jank shown in the video still exists so the wrap assassin remains a victim to source code spaghetti. You tried.
But really, Dragons Fury is actually fun to use now and doesn't require map knowledge to use in a game with hundreds of maps.
looks like it's time for another edit...
lmaooo shounic was so calm and professional the whole video and then he reaches the wrap assassin badwater part at 7:42 and goes 'the thing that the wrap assassin is colliding with is the bounding box of the FUCKING explosion animation-'
next update
-Fixed a bug involving a ramp on Gullywash blocking the player from firing the Righteous Bison.
-Updated/Added some tournament medals.
-Updated the localization files.
And this's part of the reason why the Dragon's Fury sucks so much
The dragons fury is powerful... where did you get that from
@@snubcube did u watch the video
@@michaelshumshum because there is few places where it's bugged? I don't think it makes it shit
@@RoxiCoal no degraser is the best
@@mesomusa6174 no deodorant in spray with lighter is the best
I have been using the bison since. Thank you valov
thanks vulva
thanks Volvo
November 15, 2021: Fixed Dragon's Fury, Short Circuit, and tf_projectile_energy_ring projectiles colliding with func_lod entities
HALLELUJAH
*allegedly.
Weapons: exists
physics: imma head out
Wasn't that "patch" to prevent the projectile living in doors a fix to one of the old exploits done by Delfy in the past?
Yes, it was
Thanks Delfy
You're so calm and collected through the entire video, I lost it at "the bounding box of the *fucking* explosion animation," it just comes out of nowhere
"The bounding box of the fucking explosion animation" this sudden use of vocabulary was so sudden and hilarious
This is like, the smoothest video editing I've seen.
I always love when you personify the engine or the game mechanics, it adds a comical layer when you insult the quirkiness and spaghetti of the code, making it seem like it’s the thing making the dumb mistakes
5:50 love how the scout screams go with the song lol.
What song?!
3:26 "//This is a terrble way of doing this!"
It's over. The Wrap Assassin works on (most) ramps now
7:46 what I’ve always loved about your content is your sly humor and calm state, but when you said this I laughed my ass off... 🤣
It was clear he was going to swear when i saw him smashing his face with the wrap assassin for over a minute around the last point
More like 7:44
Its 7:44 wtf dude
This actually explains so many confusions about I had about the wrap assassin and bison when I was new.
There’s 2 on Hightower as well, on the cart loading area thing, also for some reason, jumping near that area runs you into an invisible wall which tends to get you killed.
5:04 This was due to back in the days these energy projectile such as Pomson, Bison and Cow Mangler would just stay inside spawn/sliding doors and you can stack them up to create a literal nuke the next time an enemy interacts with the door while standing in front of said group projetile. Delfy once made a video on this long ago, probably 2 years ago if I'm not wrong.
A bit of history for all you youngsters there.
i'm becoming smarter everyday thanks, and now i can't use my favorite weapon (wrap assassin) on my favorite map (bad water)
not like you could before....
i thought "wow old tf2 was so garbage sometimes" the video: _uploaded 20 hours ago_
that direct f-bomb spoken in the most lifeless, monotone voice imaginable at 7:45 is what gives me life
5:31 scout begins to furiously grab and smash all of the christmas tree ornaments after his mom gets him the wrong bat
i'm certain it also has to do with the the player hull being hit by the projectile first upon spawning (since the player entity does have a QPhysics bounding box)
It doesn't, all projectiles correctly ignore the attacker's bounding box.
its ACTUALLY because in these places, the bison magically turns itself into a melee weapon
That’s why when I tried to use the wrap assassin it just kept breaking in my face.
The thing about the Wrap Assassin not working on Badwater Last is now outdated! There's a new update that fixes the ball instantly shattering there!
Imagine having a weapon so powerful that it is weakened by its interactions with the future.
Your video is well documented, interesting af and dustforce OST is cherry on top!!! Amazing job!!!
Finally i know why these are so broken. Thank you!
Todd : it's just works
Gabe : it's just magically running
After a several years, they finally fixed it
Watching scouts arms agressively flail everywhere with wrapping paper is so much funnier than it sounds.
The righteous bison was the first weapon i got for soldier.
I remember wanting it really bad back then because of the Cow Mangler and I just wanted to complete the set. Good times
I remember when Pomson was like Bison
Dude, you deserve so many more subs. You make such high quality content that deserves 500k subs at the very least. Keep up the good work!
"things would also get extremely bad with more balls"
The editing in the video was superb!
I think the issue they were trying to fix by this was Delfy's "Laser Mine" exploit
These kinds of videos are great because they actually show how bugs come about. It also makes one understand why some bugs can be so tedious to fix.
It was added brcause of a glitch that allowed players to fill the spawn doors with infinite bison projectiles, killing anyone who enters
i didn't know that, thank you!
I love how the wrap assassin bug is so major of an issue that the weapon literally cannot be used in a MASSIVE part of a very popular map, but it hadn't been noticed until now because nobody uses the wrap assassin.
"its just magically running" lmao
Omg I love these ridiculously detailed coding videos.
It makes me feel a good programmer because I understand what's wrong, or what's not wrong.
there's something very strange with hearing your calm, composed voice suddenly say "the bounding box of the *fucking explosion animation* "
I think the reason it does the “double check” with the Sandman is because the ball had physics afterwards, and it rolls, whereas the Wrap Assassin simply just breaks on contact.
2:04 *saying thanks after the ball hits the ground*
7:45 he really sounded like he was fed up with the source engine pasta
"two balls touching"
classic...
Some of the guys from my community servers were talking about one of your videos the other night.
Keep up the good work, the hardcore long time players love this stuff.
oh hey, glad to hear it :D thanks for letting me know :)
It's FINALLY fixed! (including the wrap assassin) GabeN buffed the bison 1!1!11!!!1 All hail GabeN
Maybe the reason that the Sandman ball doesn't get deleted while the Wrap Assassin ball does is because if the baseball doesn't hit a player it will start rolling on the ground, while the ornament will shatter upon impact no matter what it hits.
they ACTUALLY fixed this
The editing is so slick. Keep up the amazing work!
According to the patch notes, they have finally fixed this bug! At least, for the wrap assassin.
I was so confused as to why it seemed like the dragons fury never worked on those stairs on barnblitz, glad to finally see I wasn’t just bad at aiming.
"Achieved with sorse *splurt* " "Valve, pls fix"
*S O R S E* makes -me- us cry
the lil graphic animations are so top notch, got damn.
also dustforce ost represent
This man is about to get a finders fee
The "Projectile Living Forever" thing was actually a glitch we got to see in-game, as well as covered in a delfy video. If you used the bison or pomson on certain doors and ramps, they would stay forever. In the case of doors, you could stack projectiles and open them creating one huge, high damage projectile.
Note to self: Never use the Wrap assasin on Badwater
Holy crap shounic your editing is so fluid.
shounic: the bison is too strong.
SoundSmith: confused screaming
That spagetti code is probably the old bison glitch where you could shoot it into spawn doors before a round and watched them escape as the doors open and delete enemies like a wall of death.
And now, a rare moment in TF2
An outdated weapon mechanic video
the fact that the ball of the wrap assassin just breaks upon impact is probably the reason that it doesn't work while the sandman does, because like the bison it doesn't check if it needs to consider something else first or if just deletes it
Valve is secretly owned by Bethesda.
as a highlander scout the wrap assassin issue really is a pain in the ass on product considering i spend at least a quarter of the match on those stairs on concrete 🙄
The ever so slight 'fucking' is a great element.
that explains the oddity I experienced once with the Pomson. No clue this was a thing, but yep, had the projectile go poof during a fight.