This reminds me of when another youtube made a potato masher and potato masher pro PC vs PS4 and PS4 Pro for the whole console generation to see if you could build comparably priced PC's for a comparable or better experience at the same price or cheaper.
I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me. I'd love: -Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb - Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb -Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt - Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800 -Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt -Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre. And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku. Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more flesher out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series. Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
PS5 Pro being $700 is insane to me, but it being over $900 in the UK is actually mental. It's like $900 in Japan as well, when their wages are much lower than the US. Sony really only cares about America now...
@@trinityforce9138 Imagine installing shady russian cracks in 2024. So many backsdoors that neighbour's mom accidentally sees your private photo collection 🙈
What's funny to me, is how well my Xeon 2696v3 is holding up with a turbo unlock BIOS, 128GB of ram, and a 3090. Single core games suffer, like GTA 5, but newer ones run great. I think these old v3 Xeons still stay strong. The aliexpress X99/Xeon V3 bundles are insanely cheap. The X99s aren't true X99, but that's a very deep rabbit hole.
@@computacao4896 For all motherboards I click on aliexpress, they state at the bottom "The motherboard chipset is C610 series (such as C612, which belongs to the server chipset. It is equivalent to the X99 chipset)". The socket is 2011, and C612 is better than X99 afaik ("the C612 chipset is a workstation class chipset that's "better" than the X99 .It s identical than the X99 but it has support for dual CPU Workstations and officially supports Xeon and ECC registered memory"), so idk the point of them marketing it with X99. They usually salvage the chipset from server motherboards, and put them on these consumer motherboards.
@@erdemeebilgee3584 7800x3d/7900xtx for me, it started as a budget build and that's where i ended up lol. oddly a lot of the comments i read say their 4060ti/4070[super] is a high-end build. i don't know what to believe anymore.
This PS5 Pro killer PC is considerably more powerful than the PS5 Pro. For one you could run Elden Ring at a stable 60 fps. A PS5 Pro can't run Black Myth Wukong at a stable 60 even with framegen and it is upscaled from 540p to a 1080p output resolution in that case. You were very generous with the Alan Wake test too, PS5 Pro settings are 4K DLSS Ultra Performance, medium preset, low ray tracing (actually no direct lighting, no RT shadows, no Global illumination on the PS5 Pro version) and then it only locks to 30 fps and so on.
@@hanspennyloaf335 They won't, here's the reason. The hardware is not powerful enough. Elden Ring doesn't even have upscaling options on PC (where most of its sales are from) what makes you think it'll get PSSR? If it does then yeah it'll run at 60 fps but I highly doubt it'll ever get a Pro patch. And for BMW the best you may hope for is that they'll replace FSR with PSSR, which would get you slightly better image quality but no noticeable gain in performance as it would still run at 540p upscaled to 1080 and frame gen to hit 60 fps sometimes. And we've seen with many games with Pro patches already that the gains tend to be questionable quite often.
@definitelynotacyborg Black Myth wukong is currently artificially capped at 45 fps on the base PS5 version. I don't have a single doubt that if they uncapped it would already be close to 60. With a patch to further optimize it, it for sure would and it would have better image quality. And ok so Elden Ring my not get patched, but if it did, it would hit 60 fps. And the "questionable" gains you're referring to are due to the fact that devs aren't simply adding PSSR to the already existing version of the game and calling it a day. But rather they are tweaking graphics settings in an effort to get the best balance between performance and visuals. Granted, some attempts have been less successful than others. Like in Alan Wake 2 where the new performance mode has the same graphical preset as the previous quality version and now has Ray tracing. Certain aspects look better now, but it performs slightly worse from an FPS standpoint and certain aspects look worse because the base res they're upscaling from is too low. But I think to anyone who's actually seen what the Pro can do from an image quality perspective in person, and with the right kind of display, knows that the Pro is an impressive piece of kit in the right hands.
Not a bad selection of parts all things considered! I would’ve went with a 5700X3D or the 12600K but otherwise there’s not much I would change, considering you made a disclaimer that you could go cheaper on the motherboard and all that. I was about to mention the 4070, but then you included it in your benchmarks anyway, which I found really funny, almost as if you’re in my walls. Cheers, Iceberg 🎉
I'd personally go with an RX 6800 and a 7500F for AM5. Since the PS5 Pro with the Disc Drive, Stand, and all of that console subscription would cost $1000, any $1000 Gaming PC is a PS5 Pro killer. So that's even more budget to work with. With new parts a 7800 XT and 9700X would pair well together to match those 8 cores and 16GB of VRAM if you're willing to spend just a bit more and go into the $1200 range.
I hastily built a computer from off-shelf components for exact same price as the PS5 Pro here in Sweden. 10,490SEK... about 900EUR. That's the exact same price the PS5 Pro retails for (without disc drive). For that money, you get: - Asus Prime B450M-K II (not the best, but neither is the PS5 Pro motherboard) xD - AMD Ryzen 5600 - 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200MHz - 2TB Crucial P3 NVMe - Saphire Radeon RX 7800 XT Pulse 16GB - Cooler Master MasterBox MB400L - Seasonic G12 650W I didn't go out of my way to make it cheap, but rather buying easily accessible hardware. It's pretty ridiculous when you can buy off-the-shelf parts for the same price as a console, considering that consoles have always been subsidized by default, while also having naturally reduced cost due to optimized manufacturing pipeline-, as well as the massive scale of production. Also, these days you don't really need a Windows license to enjoy PC gaming. Linux works great, I have been gaming on Manjaro for several years now. The experience is great, and you don't have shader stutters in Linux.
With asus quality, that mobo will be dead in 2 years. You should have gone for gigabyte, their mobos have a VASTLY superior bios and higher quality components.
@@mareksinister This example was merely to build a cheap computer. I would personally spend about 2-3x more on the motherboard myself on my main rig. From my experience however, you need to do your research on each motherboard every generation as the bad boards can shift between companies each generation. One generation it's Asus that tumbles and make worse motherboards, the next generation it's Gigabyte. The most important aspect for these cheap B450 motherboards is that you don't push the VRMs to the limit (which you won't do with a Ryzen 5600) I have had a cheap ASUS motherboard which I use as my backup server (and render farm). It has been used 24h for 4 years without hiccups or issues, and it will likely work another 10 years if I'm being honest. Nothing within that setup showcase anomalies when it comes to VRM temperatures. and the capacitors are of the same brand as other motherboard manufacturers and looks decently equipped, when you are running 65W processors on it.
And here I made the assumption that you're comparing to PS5 Pro with a drive, since the price of 900€ which is about the price with the drive in Finland.
2:55 wouldn’t something like the RX 6800XT or 6900XT make more sense since the PS5 Pro GPU is RDNA 2? Not to mention a lot of games are AMD optimized now. Id imagine ray tracing on the PS5 Pro is about the same as the discrete GPUs.
Good question. While the PS5 Pro appears to be RDNA 2, it is claimed that it will have "AMD's next generation ray tracing", so it may be some kind of hybrid of RDNA 2 and 4, like the PS5 was apparently a hybrid of RDNA 1 and 2. If it is just RDNA 2, or if RDNA 4 isn't that much of an improvement in RT performance, then perhaps an RX 6800 XT or 6900 XT would match or beat the console in raw power. However, the whole identity of PS5 Pro is formed around PSSR, which is being touted as an upgrade over the FSR 2 that was already available to developers on the PS5. A PS5 Pro Killer without some kind of AI-assisted upscaling wouldn't really count. At the end of the video I said I'm holding off making my super budget PS5 Pro Killer to see how things shake out. Since then, I've had a few answers to my questions about what new features are coming to Pro Enhanced games, but I still have questions about the hardware. In particular, I want to know if FSR 4 will work with RX 6000 series GPUs, and if RDNA 4 has a significant jump in RT performance per "core". If the answers are "yes" and "no" respectively, that PC will probably feature an RX 6800 or 6800 XT. If the answers are "no" and "no", it will probably be the RTX 3080 or 4070 again. If RT is much better on RDNA 4, perhaps there will be an RX 8800 or something similar that would fit the bill.
Can you do a retrospective on the Intel ARC GPUs as Battlemage is coming out in a few months and the drivers have gotten a lot better in since your first video?
why though. people keep saying that they undervolt and get MORE perfomance. they are getting more with less on pc but the 'trash' consoles can't do the same because they are not pc and pc and pc and pc and pc.
@@caliginousmoira8565this is due to the silicon lottery. Some parts can run at a much lower voltage while others can't,so the manufacturers set a standard that the majority can run at stablely. If you get lucky you can run at a much lower voltage wich means less power at same performance or better performance.if you get unlucky then any even a small undervolt will cause instability.most parts will be in the middle being able to do mild undervolts. Console can't do this because of the lack of user adjustability,and prioritizing constancy vs raw performance.tldr gpus apply a one size fits all to voltage and so do consoles,but on pcs you can adjust that depending on your luck you could see better powerdraw and performance or not be able to do it at all.consoles just simply don't provide the customizability because you could easily break your computer if you are stupid.
I highly doubt the ps5 pro is capable of running 4K with RT at 60+ fps with only quality level upscaling. It'll probably be balanced or more likely, performance. The purported RT upgrade for the AMD gpu is still not going to be able to match the RT capabilities of an Nvidia gpu. Not to mention, looking at the shader units, the ps5 pro's gpu would be about equal in raw performance to a 6800 non-XT. That is far weaker than a 3080.
more like a 7800xt, and the 6800 isnt that much slower than the 3080 (between 3070ti and 3080 depending on the game), but yeah it's gonna be mid and overhyped. I'm only excited for "PSSR" (fsr4) so AMD can make good use of fsr on my 7900xtx
@@PelonixYTNo it isn't, there are already raster comparisons in Digital Foundry (search for Elden Ring) showing it's slightly slower than a 6800, 20% slower than the 7800XT
The PS5 Pro's GPU is somewhere below in real world testing than an RX 6800, about 15% weaker in fact. Currently there is no GPU on the PC market that is exactly that equivalent, closest would be an RTX 4060 Ti with 16 gigs of VRAM but it is somewhat stronger than that, somewhere between that and the RTX 4070, but closer to the 4060 Ti.
I don't think owning a console is just as worth as much as it used to be since most of the exclusive titles sooner or later come to PC, Consoles used to be the best thing if you wanted to game in the ps4 era it's just not that anymore!
Great video as always! I'm quite amazed at how good the 3080 is still at 4K. Man, it does feels bad to not being able to afford these kinds of GPUs (even in the used market, which sucks where I live)
my console killer, 5700g (when i got it, the only other option was a 5800x, and i was on a budget but wanted 8 cores, and bought it when it came out) 32gb 3600 cl 16 ram, 1tb 970 evo+, 3080 10gb (got for $300), love it... prob spent about $700 for everything
@@hanspennyloaf335I mean the 3080 even used is hilariously faster than the ps5p But im sure if you enjoy 30fps at 1600p the pro is fine for nba 2k26 or whatever console players do haha
@BonusCrook Lmao. The 3080 is faster, sure. But not hilariously so. Source? I literally own one. I love that the Internet has you convinced you're special because you game on PC.
All you need is a CPU on par or better than 4700G and 7700 XT if you do not care for the ray-tracing... Alternate configuration could be a 10600K + RTX 4070?
Not recommended (for 60fps) to have anything lower than 5600 or i5 12400 in current PC games. At minimum, 3600, or i5 10400 but expect performance issues in heavy games.
Back in 2019, I bought a brand new B450M motherboard and 16GB of 3600 MT/s CL17 G.Skill RAM and installed a lightly used AMD Ryzen 5 1600X and GTX 1070 to build a "new" machine, upgrading from an Intel Core i5 3570K that was overclocked to 4.8GHz and a Radeon R9 290 4GB. Fast forward to the RTX 4080 releasing, I got an upgrade to a RTX 2080 Super in exchange for replacing the AC compressor and condenser on my roommate's car, and he bought an RTX 4080. I bought a brand new Ryzen 5 5600X when they had just dropped to $156.00 here in the states, updated my BIOS and suddenly had enough processor to feed the RTX 2080 Super, and can run my RAM at its full 3600 MT/s rated speed. All this to say, I rather have my machine as it is currently built over the PS5 and PS5 Pro. I did not have to buy whole new machines, and my old parts have been passed down, as well as my roommate's old parts. This half step to a "Pro" version, just like with the PS4, is lazy and stupid. The consoles becoming basically fancy laptops without the screens has taken away what made the consoles once unique and some what interesting to buy. The PS3 was the last of the truly awesome consoles, now Sony and Microsoft really only compete on now garbage software, and which console is the least annoying to its end users. The fact you also have to pay extra just for the "privilege" of playing online on top of paying your ISP, on what are now low end PCs, is beyond stupid. I understood that the PS3 could not cross play with PC and Xbox, and having to pay for using services tailored to the early online capable consoles was more understandable. Now, there are no excuses to continue gouging your customer base, cross-platform play is a thing now, stand-alone servers are no longer needed for each game console set, Sony and Microsoft can get bent. Even in the best light, the upgrades made to the PS5 were not worth the money they are asking, especially when they find ways to break compatibility by say, not including a disc drive. They can't use cost cutting as an excuse when the drive was going to be one of the cheapest pieces of hardware in an overprice hunk of E-waste.
The 13500 wouldn't be a bad choise for an upgrade from th3 e 12400. It has 8 E-Cores which makes it better for the cpu intensive workloads and games. I doubt it would cost that much more, especialy on the 2nd hand market. Plus, it is not an i7 or an i9, it does not consume huge ammounts of energy, so it should not be affected by that problem with the power management.
Who would though that buying absolutely slowest ram on this planet will cause 1% issues, and you try to make it sound like its cpu issue. LOL. Also no matter the performance this pc didnt lose with ps5 in export titles as it still gets more than 120hz, and you can play cs2 and games that arent on console, and mouse and keeb works much better on pc, and latency is better.
the case and psu and the storage you can reuse older one 5700x=100usd + a520mb =45usd + 32gb ram 3200mhz= 50 usd +cpu cooler 15usd 210usd tottal rest use it to buy a used 4080
Bro im going crazy can can someone tell me his intro music? I've been searching for months and even search every music that he uses for his videos but i still got no clues of what it is.
Also, if you’re getting a console, you’re probably going to end up with a laptop to do your work, but a pc is both of those things, so having a pc instead of a console covers both work and play, so I would factor in a laptop to the ps5 pro budget just to see what you could get overall with that money
I bought the Rx7600 to rival the current Gen consoles and now that the Ps5 pro launched I bought the rx7900gre thats the beauty of PC gaming you just upgrade along the way and AM4 makes it VERY easy I hope AMD does it again with AM5
was thinking of the ps5 profor 10000:-SEK, saw it, felt disgusted by the greed and the lack of performance for the price, bought a 8500:-SEK PC instaed with a 2080 super, 3700x, 850wPSU 80wgold, 2tb hdd 1 tb ssd ,2tb m.2ssd, 16 gb 3600mhz ram and an AIO cooler for cpu on the x570 mb. a fuckton better than the ps5 pro, upgradable to the 5700x3d or 5800x3d and it will be great for many years to come. fuck sony's greed and lack of customer service.
It is some 15/20% better than the console in the CPU side but not on the GPU side, 2080 Super is around 30% slower in raster, you should take that into consideration specially when you're almost always GPU limited in AAA games
in my country (Russia) 800 dollars turned into 130 000 rubles (about 1250-1300 dollars), and for this money a computer with rtx 4070 super and r5 7500f looks much more interesting, and if you search, it can be even cheaper :) so the attractiveness of the console also depends a lot on where you live.
I have a PC, good specs, however, I just feel like it's also good to have a console. It's convenient and easy to play on, and you don't have to worry about optimizing it.
@@IcebergTech I am holding to dear life! got a Minis forum with a 6600M in the living, a play thing with a 3060ti and a 5700x3D and a "work thing" with a 5900X 64GB Ram and a 2080 for the win. i can definitely get something better but... console... i was rocking a 486 second gen, an AMD k6 2 MMX, back in the day and never considered console. Iceberg... what are we gonna do with you if you get a console??? put the milk in, first???? blasphemy!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤪🤪
@@IcebergTechchoosing that graphics cards when they are more expensive graphics cards and better components to built a PC than Buy the PS5 PRO Alongside the PS plus subscriptión and the disc drive
If you remove rt from the picture, the pc absolutely kills the console. I don't care about rt, and avoid rt forced games, so I would go pc any day all day. Edit: Also, go 1440p and it would drastically kill the console.
Are there any benchmarks out there comparing how the Pro's new RDNA4 RT cores actually compare to an equivalent 7700XT? Manufacturer's claims about RT improvements rarely ever reflect gamer reality
@TheFalseShepphard I don't really care abput extreme 4090 level graphics. I just want the game to look good and perform just as well without dropping $3000 on a high end pc build. 1440p high/ultra no rt is perfectly suitable for me.
‘Absolutely kills’. That’s a quote and they don’t quite frankly. Plus, optimisation means that console gamers get a consistent, fully optimised performance, many exclusive titles and can literally just buy a machine, plug it in and play games. Building a decent gaming PC still costs a fair amount and with consoles, things like the RAM AND SSD is essentially subsidised in the cost, an SSD and 32gig of RAM is gonna cost you $250 odd and that’s without a box to put it in. PSU and keyboard etc - it all adds up! Sure, if you want the ray-tracing to bounce of your floor and living room walls then yeah, you can have it with a PC but you pay for it! If you simply want a machine that you can plug into your tele, play all the latest games to a very high quality without having to use a screwdriver to build the flipping thing - and also, faff around with drivers and what have you yeah, PCs can deliver better performance but ‘absolutely kills’ is just gibberish! A lot of people just want to plug in and play the games and for that purpose, consoles are still the way to go! Where PC’s are better is certain types of games like RTS games that seldom come to the consoles and if you want to start adding, flight sticks, steering wheels etc for specific genres of games then PCs have the edge, I get that but people that play those games tend not to have an interest in the type of gaming on consoles anyway.
@StilettoGreenback I think rt is stupid, and I don't care to play 4k 30fps when I can play 1440p 100fps with a slightly more expensive pc built by myself. That shit is overrated and overpriced.
i think its better to use a 5700x3d i think rather than a 5700x or the 7500f or 7600x, i would check the 7700x but its more costly if you want a better option i think its the 5700x3d but each to his own i guess
Dead on arrival PS5 Pro and Sony will get their bill, after Nintendo Switch 2 will stomp them into grave again 😂 I keep, my RTX PC, Series X, PS5 Slim and wait for the real next Gen consoles in 2028+ I think 🤔 Greetings
It's interesting how these console killers "run laps" around the consoles and are easy enough to build but most people still have a 3060/4060, at least according to the Steam HW Survey. So i wonder the reason: is it because people aren't too fond of used components, or most PC users aren't into the idea of spending $700+ for a PC as well? 🤔
Second one mainly. 3060/4060 is popular, because its relatively inexpensive upgrade to bring older systems up to date without using used components off someone hands (4-8th gen intel, early ryzens and FX`s, lga2011-3 builds, all that stuff). And amd isnt really popular despite amazing value something like 6600/5700XT has.
By most you mean 3060/4060 being the more popular gpus, since around 6% of ppl in the survey own the 3060. It may have the largest percentage out of all the cards on steam, but 6% isn't "most people" by a longshot. You can make the argument however that most ppl accounted for in the survey are using similar tier hardware to the 3060/4060 though. I will say that 3070ti and above account for roughly 15% of steam survey participants, and if going by Steam MAU, that's close to 20m gamers give or take.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Yeah, here where i live the 6600 XT and the RTX 3050 were the same price at some point, but people still bought the 3050 despite the 6600 XT being way better.
The fact your list is almost identical to LTTs is very interesting l, i know you've been working on this video for a while so it's likely just a neat coincidence
PC benefits: music creation/ video creation /gaming/ movies/ emails/ data transfer/ karaoke/home entertainment/ writing/ online courses/ Web browsing/ shopping/ selling/ programming/ streaming/ customization/ multitasking
Everyone always forgets to factor if the $70+ controller usbc cable and HDMI 2.1 cable the ps5 comes with. To be like for like your pc budget should include a controller of some sort or a mouse and keyboard. No one is buying plus premium.
its not too hard to get a new parts pc for £700-800 that is equivalent to this with amd or nvidia for the gpu on am4 or lga1700 with ddr4. ofc if you use the amd gpu you will get worse upscaling and raytracing but usually more raw raster. anyway nice vid
iceberg if you wouldnt be against the idea how about a look at the future budget cards from amd/nvidia the ones that will fall down the stack once the enxt gen drop, namely the 7600 and rtx 3060 12gb
Why did he include 1 year of PS premium for 160? Tbf though he should've included 3-8 years of PS plus @ a minimum of 60/per year, because it's normally $80, but when it's discounted it's 60. All that money will add up, and i hate it.
@@caliginousmoira8565 yeah i mean offline gaming can be comparable, but they should mention it. The people criticizing saying it's only 700 are likely also using the PS plus service to get the full experience. Which should be factored in for Online gaming. They never mention it though.
Ps5 pro is more like a 3070 Ti at best otherwise in between a 4060 Ti and 4070. Honestly if only it went for 500$ instead and base ps5(digital) got a price drop to 300$
Console killer pcs will never make sense to me lol. You're buying used parts with questionable history, no warranty which could die in a day or two. Plus there's a need for peripherals... everything which the ps5 gets plus its new. Also, why factor in a blu ray drive?
I love this channel; it absolutely flips the script on the whole "buy new CPU/GPU or you will lose every game" nonsense I see everywhere else. dont get me wrong, new parts need to be reviewed but when we are talking dollars to performance, real world user experience, your channel kills it everytime. I was really looking at the 9800X3d but honestly the 9700x is better and cheaper and offers the same perf at 4k where I game. at 4k the 9800X3d doesnt give me much more lift for 35% more money, additionally the 9700x uses 6 less dollars per year in power based on a 25% load, that matters. the 7700X and 9800X3d use about the same power. if I look at a 50% load as I game but also code, as well as mess around in blender and adobe I save 16.39 a year over the other two with a 9700X. the 9700x also costs less to cool so my AC will run less in the summer time, I keep my room at 64f/17.8C year round. TLDR Matching the CPU to use is a much more dollar smart approach than blindly buying the latest "best" of anything
Ryzen 5 5600-Vanilla is overclockable, unlike the 12400...I put a 200mhz+ Boost on mine, making it essentially a 5600x...REALLY great CPU....honestly, if we are comparing to the PS5, the Ryzen 5 5500 or Ryzen 5 3600x would be perfectly fine.
its easy to beat the pro with used parts, and with other country pro pricing. doing an all new pc (like the pro has all new parts) with usa ps5 pro pricing is much, much harder
I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to br varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me. I'd love: -Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb - Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb -Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt - Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800 -Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt -Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre. And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off Novmber 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku. Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more flesher out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series. Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And olease, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
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This reminds me of when another youtube made a potato masher and potato masher pro PC vs PS4 and PS4 Pro for the whole console generation to see if you could build comparably priced PC's for a comparable or better experience at the same price or cheaper.
I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me.
I'd love:
-Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb
- Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb
-Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt
- Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800
-Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt
-Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre.
And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku.
Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more flesher out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series.
Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
PS5 Pro being $700 is insane to me, but it being over $900 in the UK is actually mental. It's like $900 in Japan as well, when their wages are much lower than the US. Sony really only cares about America now...
Our price is inclusive of sales tax, but that sales tax also happens to be 20%... so, yeah 😭
It all started back when Sony Interactive Entertainment decided to move their HQ to California in 2016.
In my country the ps 5 pro is over 900$ while average people get 4$/hour and average salary is 700$/month
The UK is incredibly poor.
@@MapleMan1984 Its not poor, its a vassal state for the US.
0:27 That's just the Concord tax...
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One thing you missed out that is very very important to PC vs PS5 Pro. Freedom. Modding games. Emulation. Etc etc.
Availability of the high seas as well ;) 🏴☠️☠️
Free online play, infinite backwards compatibility, high fps, 21:9 aspect ratio, and compatible with every peripheral ever.
@@trinityforce9138 Imagine installing shady russian cracks in 2024. So many backsdoors that neighbour's mom accidentally sees your private photo collection 🙈
bro you don’t gotta go over this every. single. time. like we all have context clues at this point right?
@@MisterMustardIsDumb No. People are stupid.
THE main advantage of a PC: you can play the last 30+ years of video game history on ONE device :)
Being from the past myself, I just want to play the new titles. Being able to play old titles doesn't appeal for everyone 😁
@@anssiaatos You have my permission to play new games :P
Eh, I just use a 30€ ps3 for ps3, ps2 and ps1 games and a ps5 for anything on ps4 and ps5.
And they run a lot better on PC than on the original systems.
@@anssiaatos it is for me. the newer games is just a woke fiesta with bad writing.
No need to kill something when it’s already dead
Ouch 😂
Better go for the double tap, just to be sure
What you mean? My PS5 Pro is still working 🙄
Alright kenshiro
Based. Consoles have been dead for years.
What's funny to me, is how well my Xeon 2696v3 is holding up with a turbo unlock BIOS, 128GB of ram, and a 3090. Single core games suffer, like GTA 5, but newer ones run great. I think these old v3 Xeons still stay strong. The aliexpress X99/Xeon V3 bundles are insanely cheap. The X99s aren't true X99, but that's a very deep rabbit hole.
Could you explain? Th x99 not being true X99s
@@computacao4896 For all motherboards I click on aliexpress, they state at the bottom "The motherboard chipset is C610 series (such as C612, which belongs to the server chipset. It is equivalent to the X99 chipset)". The socket is 2011, and C612 is better than X99 afaik ("the C612 chipset is a workstation class chipset that's "better" than the X99 .It s identical than the X99 but it has support for dual CPU Workstations and officially supports Xeon and ECC registered memory"), so idk the point of them marketing it with X99. They usually salvage the chipset from server motherboards, and put them on these consumer motherboards.
9:52 NICE
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Even after buying a high-end computer I still find these videos amusing. First started watching to find a decent budget build 😅
specs(not trying to shame) i don't know what people consider high end
@caliginousmoira8565 6900xtx 7950x 32gb ram 6400 Mt/s
@@caliginousmoira85656950xt 7950x
6900xt and 7800x3d
@@erdemeebilgee3584 7800x3d/7900xtx for me, it started as a budget build and that's where i ended up lol.
oddly a lot of the comments i read say their 4060ti/4070[super] is a high-end build. i don't know what to believe anymore.
This PS5 Pro killer PC is considerably more powerful than the PS5 Pro. For one you could run Elden Ring at a stable 60 fps. A PS5 Pro can't run Black Myth Wukong at a stable 60 even with framegen and it is upscaled from 540p to a 1080p output resolution in that case. You were very generous with the Alan Wake test too, PS5 Pro settings are 4K DLSS Ultra Performance, medium preset, low ray tracing (actually no direct lighting, no RT shadows, no Global illumination on the PS5 Pro version) and then it only locks to 30 fps and so on.
Black myth wukong and Elden Ring will easily run at 60fps when they get pro enhanced patches.
@@hanspennyloaf335 They won't, here's the reason. The hardware is not powerful enough. Elden Ring doesn't even have upscaling options on PC (where most of its sales are from) what makes you think it'll get PSSR? If it does then yeah it'll run at 60 fps but I highly doubt it'll ever get a Pro patch.
And for BMW the best you may hope for is that they'll replace FSR with PSSR, which would get you slightly better image quality but no noticeable gain in performance as it would still run at 540p upscaled to 1080 and frame gen to hit 60 fps sometimes.
And we've seen with many games with Pro patches already that the gains tend to be questionable quite often.
@definitelynotacyborg Black Myth wukong is currently artificially capped at 45 fps on the base PS5 version. I don't have a single doubt that if they uncapped it would already be close to 60. With a patch to further optimize it, it for sure would and it would have better image quality.
And ok so Elden Ring my not get patched, but if it did, it would hit 60 fps.
And the "questionable" gains you're referring to are due to the fact that devs aren't simply adding PSSR to the already existing version of the game and calling it a day. But rather they are tweaking graphics settings in an effort to get the best balance between performance and visuals. Granted, some attempts have been less successful than others.
Like in Alan Wake 2 where the new performance mode has the same graphical preset as the previous quality version and now has Ray tracing. Certain aspects look better now, but it performs slightly worse from an FPS standpoint and certain aspects look worse because the base res they're upscaling from is too low.
But I think to anyone who's actually seen what the Pro can do from an image quality perspective in person, and with the right kind of display, knows that the Pro is an impressive piece of kit in the right hands.
@@hanspennyloaf335digital foundry just tested, the pro is 43% behind a 4070😂and 20% behind a 6800, which makes the pro a 3070ish machine
@@那人冷靜一點 care to link to the specific video you're talking about?
I was not ready for the PSSR introduction 😂😂😂
peeesir.
We are back killing consoles 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Who is? Do you make microprocessors in your garage? Who is ‘we?’
My rtx 3080 runs at 250W tops with better performance, after spending 10 minutes on undervolting
Wow. I've been too lazy to do the same. Mine runs at 300w with 80% performance.
did i heard PISSER?
Man i loved the potato masher videos... RIP to the OG.
No sarcasm: I am so happy to see a sponsored ad read on your channel!
You really should never consider a 3700X in 2024 with the 5600 being so incredibly far ahead in gaming with probably similar multithread.
What’s the point of comparing results vs a 4070 in this video instead of… you know, a PS5 Pro.
Because games on consoles even the PS5 pro are capped at 4K 30 fps or 1440p 60 FPS.
Not a bad selection of parts all things considered! I would’ve went with a 5700X3D or the 12600K but otherwise there’s not much I would change, considering you made a disclaimer that you could go cheaper on the motherboard and all that. I was about to mention the 4070, but then you included it in your benchmarks anyway, which I found really funny, almost as if you’re in my walls. Cheers, Iceberg 🎉
Would you mind drilling a couple more air holes for me? It's kinda stuffy in here
12400 already kills ps5 pro cpu
@@IcebergTech sure, American drywall can be punched through anyway 🔨just remember not to eat the forbidden cotton candy!
@@toufusoup Aww, really? I heard someone call is "Das bestes". I think he must've been German.
I'd personally go with an RX 6800 and a 7500F for AM5. Since the PS5 Pro with the Disc Drive, Stand, and all of that console subscription would cost $1000, any $1000 Gaming PC is a PS5 Pro killer. So that's even more budget to work with. With new parts a 7800 XT and 9700X would pair well together to match those 8 cores and 16GB of VRAM if you're willing to spend just a bit more and go into the $1200 range.
I hastily built a computer from off-shelf components for exact same price as the PS5 Pro here in Sweden. 10,490SEK... about 900EUR. That's the exact same price the PS5 Pro retails for (without disc drive). For that money, you get:
- Asus Prime B450M-K II (not the best, but neither is the PS5 Pro motherboard) xD
- AMD Ryzen 5600
- 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200MHz
- 2TB Crucial P3 NVMe
- Saphire Radeon RX 7800 XT Pulse 16GB
- Cooler Master MasterBox MB400L
- Seasonic G12 650W
I didn't go out of my way to make it cheap, but rather buying easily accessible hardware. It's pretty ridiculous when you can buy off-the-shelf parts for the same price as a console, considering that consoles have always been subsidized by default, while also having naturally reduced cost due to optimized manufacturing pipeline-, as well as the massive scale of production.
Also, these days you don't really need a Windows license to enjoy PC gaming. Linux works great, I have been gaming on Manjaro for several years now. The experience is great, and you don't have shader stutters in Linux.
5600 is much stronger than the console's OCed 4700G and you also have double the RAM
With asus quality, that mobo will be dead in 2 years. You should have gone for gigabyte, their mobos have a VASTLY superior bios and higher quality components.
@@PixelShade where is a Windows license, 4K blu-ray drive and a controller? Does Ryzen 5600 include a cooler? 🙂
@@mareksinister This example was merely to build a cheap computer. I would personally spend about 2-3x more on the motherboard myself on my main rig. From my experience however, you need to do your research on each motherboard every generation as the bad boards can shift between companies each generation. One generation it's Asus that tumbles and make worse motherboards, the next generation it's Gigabyte. The most important aspect for these cheap B450 motherboards is that you don't push the VRMs to the limit (which you won't do with a Ryzen 5600) I have had a cheap ASUS motherboard which I use as my backup server (and render farm). It has been used 24h for 4 years without hiccups or issues, and it will likely work another 10 years if I'm being honest. Nothing within that setup showcase anomalies when it comes to VRM temperatures. and the capacitors are of the same brand as other motherboard manufacturers and looks decently equipped, when you are running 65W processors on it.
And here I made the assumption that you're comparing to PS5 Pro with a drive, since the price of 900€ which is about the price with the drive in Finland.
My guy is shooting at a corpse lol
2:55 wouldn’t something like the RX 6800XT or 6900XT make more sense since the PS5 Pro GPU is RDNA 2? Not to mention a lot of games are AMD optimized now. Id imagine ray tracing on the PS5 Pro is about the same as the discrete GPUs.
Good question. While the PS5 Pro appears to be RDNA 2, it is claimed that it will have "AMD's next generation ray tracing", so it may be some kind of hybrid of RDNA 2 and 4, like the PS5 was apparently a hybrid of RDNA 1 and 2. If it is just RDNA 2, or if RDNA 4 isn't that much of an improvement in RT performance, then perhaps an RX 6800 XT or 6900 XT would match or beat the console in raw power. However, the whole identity of PS5 Pro is formed around PSSR, which is being touted as an upgrade over the FSR 2 that was already available to developers on the PS5. A PS5 Pro Killer without some kind of AI-assisted upscaling wouldn't really count.
At the end of the video I said I'm holding off making my super budget PS5 Pro Killer to see how things shake out. Since then, I've had a few answers to my questions about what new features are coming to Pro Enhanced games, but I still have questions about the hardware. In particular, I want to know if FSR 4 will work with RX 6000 series GPUs, and if RDNA 4 has a significant jump in RT performance per "core". If the answers are "yes" and "no" respectively, that PC will probably feature an RX 6800 or 6800 XT. If the answers are "no" and "no", it will probably be the RTX 3080 or 4070 again. If RT is much better on RDNA 4, perhaps there will be an RX 8800 or something similar that would fit the bill.
id say it might be closer to yet not released rx8800 or rx8700, just because of the new raytracing capabilities
Can you do a retrospective on the Intel ARC GPUs as Battlemage is coming out in a few months and the drivers have gotten a lot better in since your first video?
There's an A770 winging its way to me now for just that purpose 😁
Never been to a video this early, I guess my bad sleep schedule paid off for once haha
Guess so
Rtx 3080 is easily undervoltable to 240w
why though. people keep saying that they undervolt and get MORE perfomance. they are getting more with less on pc but the 'trash' consoles can't do the same because they are not pc and pc and pc and pc and pc.
@@caliginousmoira8565this is due to the silicon lottery. Some parts can run at a much lower voltage while others can't,so the manufacturers set a standard that the majority can run at stablely. If you get lucky you can run at a much lower voltage wich means less power at same performance or better performance.if you get unlucky then any even a small undervolt will cause instability.most parts will be in the middle being able to do mild undervolts. Console can't do this because of the lack of user adjustability,and prioritizing constancy vs raw performance.tldr gpus apply a one size fits all to voltage and so do consoles,but on pcs you can adjust that depending on your luck you could see better powerdraw and performance or not be able to do it at all.consoles just simply don't provide the customizability because you could easily break your computer if you are stupid.
PS5 "Unkillabe"
PS5 Pro "Dead on Arrival"
The upfront cost is high, but with a PC, you can replace aging parts.
I highly doubt the ps5 pro is capable of running 4K with RT at 60+ fps with only quality level upscaling. It'll probably be balanced or more likely, performance. The purported RT upgrade for the AMD gpu is still not going to be able to match the RT capabilities of an Nvidia gpu. Not to mention, looking at the shader units, the ps5 pro's gpu would be about equal in raw performance to a 6800 non-XT. That is far weaker than a 3080.
more like a 7800xt, and the 6800 isnt that much slower than the 3080 (between 3070ti and 3080 depending on the game), but yeah it's gonna be mid and overhyped. I'm only excited for "PSSR" (fsr4) so AMD can make good use of fsr on my 7900xtx
Fax
Exactly, I'm yet to see an actual RT benchmark comparing base PS5 with the RDNA4 RT cores from the Pro
@@PelonixYTNo it isn't, there are already raster comparisons in Digital Foundry (search for Elden Ring) showing it's slightly slower than a 6800, 20% slower than the 7800XT
The PS5 Pro's GPU is somewhere below in real world testing than an RX 6800, about 15% weaker in fact. Currently there is no GPU on the PC market that is exactly that equivalent, closest would be an RTX 4060 Ti with 16 gigs of VRAM but it is somewhat stronger than that, somewhere between that and the RTX 4070, but closer to the 4060 Ti.
The Potato Masher clip was a hit of nostalgia lol. Oh how much I loved those videos!
I don't think owning a console is just as worth as much as it used to be since most of the exclusive titles sooner or later come to PC, Consoles used to be the best thing if you wanted to game in the ps4 era it's just not that anymore!
its plug and play, if you are not pc savy, it can become a nightmare when things dont work or gives errors.
Great video as always! I'm quite amazed at how good the 3080 is still at 4K. Man, it does feels bad to not being able to afford these kinds of GPUs (even in the used market, which sucks where I live)
my console killer, 5700g (when i got it, the only other option was a 5800x, and i was on a budget but wanted 8 cores, and bought it when it came out) 32gb 3600 cl 16 ram, 1tb 970 evo+, 3080 10gb (got for $300), love it... prob spent about $700 for everything
Dude, there is absolutely no way you got a 3080 for $300. I believe you, but holy shit what a deal
Didn't get a 2 TB SSD, DDR4 ram, used GPU, no Wifi 7 and no dual sense. You failed to match the pro.
@@zach1727it’s an OEM probably thier all over eBay
@@hanspennyloaf335I mean the 3080 even used is hilariously faster than the ps5p
But im sure if you enjoy 30fps at 1600p the pro is fine for nba 2k26 or whatever console players do haha
@BonusCrook Lmao. The 3080 is faster, sure. But not hilariously so. Source? I literally own one.
I love that the Internet has you convinced you're special because you game on PC.
All you need is a CPU on par or better than 4700G and 7700 XT if you do not care for the ray-tracing...
Alternate configuration could be a 10600K + RTX 4070?
The 4070 is 43% faster than the pro tho
Not recommended (for 60fps) to have anything lower than 5600 or i5 12400 in current PC games. At minimum, 3600, or i5 10400 but expect performance issues in heavy games.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 yeah you would be better to get a 3700X or 5700, also easier to obtain than a 4700G.
Icebrg is a LIER he is in the pocket of BIG CHAIR
Edifier bookshelf speakers on the desk?
Q Acoustics
Calling it pisser is wild. Love it.
Pretty telling that every single "PS5-killer" build video resorts to used parts...
"Every"?
@VGFightSchool Well, I haven't seen one yet that beat the expected performance of a PS5 for the same price without resorting to used parts.
Should of choose X99! Long may he reign!
Back in 2019, I bought a brand new B450M motherboard and 16GB of 3600 MT/s CL17 G.Skill RAM and installed a lightly used AMD Ryzen 5 1600X and GTX 1070 to build a "new" machine, upgrading from an Intel Core i5 3570K that was overclocked to 4.8GHz and a Radeon R9 290 4GB. Fast forward to the RTX 4080 releasing, I got an upgrade to a RTX 2080 Super in exchange for replacing the AC compressor and condenser on my roommate's car, and he bought an RTX 4080. I bought a brand new Ryzen 5 5600X when they had just dropped to $156.00 here in the states, updated my BIOS and suddenly had enough processor to feed the RTX 2080 Super, and can run my RAM at its full 3600 MT/s rated speed. All this to say, I rather have my machine as it is currently built over the PS5 and PS5 Pro. I did not have to buy whole new machines, and my old parts have been passed down, as well as my roommate's old parts. This half step to a "Pro" version, just like with the PS4, is lazy and stupid. The consoles becoming basically fancy laptops without the screens has taken away what made the consoles once unique and some what interesting to buy. The PS3 was the last of the truly awesome consoles, now Sony and Microsoft really only compete on now garbage software, and which console is the least annoying to its end users. The fact you also have to pay extra just for the "privilege" of playing online on top of paying your ISP, on what are now low end PCs, is beyond stupid. I understood that the PS3 could not cross play with PC and Xbox, and having to pay for using services tailored to the early online capable consoles was more understandable. Now, there are no excuses to continue gouging your customer base, cross-platform play is a thing now, stand-alone servers are no longer needed for each game console set, Sony and Microsoft can get bent. Even in the best light, the upgrades made to the PS5 were not worth the money they are asking, especially when they find ways to break compatibility by say, not including a disc drive. They can't use cost cutting as an excuse when the drive was going to be one of the cheapest pieces of hardware in an overprice hunk of E-waste.
The 13500 wouldn't be a bad choise for an upgrade from th3 e 12400. It has 8 E-Cores which makes it better for the cpu intensive workloads and games. I doubt it would cost that much more, especialy on the 2nd hand market.
Plus, it is not an i7 or an i9, it does not consume huge ammounts of energy, so it should not be affected by that problem with the power management.
Not including mouse keyboard or a controller in the price?
when will you make a vid with used parts?
One simple upgrade 5700x3D with a old motherboard just need a BIOS update
Who would though that buying absolutely slowest ram on this planet will cause 1% issues, and you try to make it sound like its cpu issue. LOL. Also no matter the performance this pc didnt lose with ps5 in export titles as it still gets more than 120hz, and you can play cs2 and games that arent on console, and mouse and keeb works much better on pc, and latency is better.
the case and psu and the storage you can reuse older one
5700x=100usd + a520mb =45usd + 32gb ram 3200mhz= 50 usd +cpu cooler 15usd
210usd tottal
rest use it to buy a used 4080
the ps5 pro is weaker than a 3070 bruh fym? just get a 6800 base
This would make an interesting Bazzite setup.
Bro im going crazy can can someone tell me his intro music? I've been searching for months and even search every music that he uses for his videos but i still got no clues of what it is.
Also, if you’re getting a console, you’re probably going to end up with a laptop to do your work, but a pc is both of those things, so having a pc instead of a console covers both work and play, so I would factor in a laptop to the ps5 pro budget just to see what you could get overall with that money
I bought the Rx7600 to rival the current Gen consoles and now that the Ps5 pro launched I bought the rx7900gre thats the beauty of PC gaming you just upgrade along the way and AM4 makes it VERY easy I hope AMD does it again with AM5
was thinking of the ps5 profor 10000:-SEK, saw it, felt disgusted by the greed and the lack of performance for the price, bought a 8500:-SEK PC instaed with a 2080 super, 3700x, 850wPSU 80wgold, 2tb hdd 1 tb ssd ,2tb m.2ssd, 16 gb 3600mhz ram and an AIO cooler for cpu on the x570 mb.
a fuckton better than the ps5 pro, upgradable to the 5700x3d or 5800x3d and it will be great for many years to come.
fuck sony's greed and lack of customer service.
it was preowned but, who tf cares? changed thermal paste on cpu,gpu and mb and its like new.
It is some 15/20% better than the console in the CPU side but not on the GPU side, 2080 Super is around 30% slower in raster, you should take that into consideration specially when you're almost always GPU limited in AAA games
i still find the PS5 Pro APU very impressive, if any APU's in the future perform like it will be exciting to see.
8700G is very disappointing
in my country (Russia) 800 dollars turned into 130 000 rubles (about 1250-1300 dollars), and for this money a computer with rtx 4070 super and r5 7500f looks much more interesting, and if you search, it can be even cheaper :) so the attractiveness of the console also depends a lot on where you live.
I have a PC, good specs, however, I just feel like it's also good to have a console. It's convenient and easy to play on, and you don't have to worry about optimizing it.
The switch (or switch 2?) is good as a console for people who have a PC imo
oh yeah, baby! Waiting for hell to freeze over 🤪🤪
Killer episode :😂😂
It might happen tbf, I've been waiting for the base PS5 price to come down just so I can play GT7
@@IcebergTech I am holding to dear life! got a Minis forum with a 6600M in the living, a play thing with a 3060ti and a 5700x3D and a "work thing" with a 5900X 64GB Ram and a 2080 for the win. i can definitely get something better but... console... i was rocking a 486 second gen, an AMD k6 2 MMX, back in the day and never considered console.
Iceberg... what are we gonna do with you if you get a console??? put the milk in, first???? blasphemy!!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤪🤪
@@IcebergTechchoosing that graphics cards when they are more expensive graphics cards and better components to built a PC than Buy the PS5 PRO Alongside the PS plus subscriptión and the disc drive
If you remove rt from the picture, the pc absolutely kills the console. I don't care about rt, and avoid rt forced games, so I would go pc any day all day.
Edit: Also, go 1440p and it would drastically kill the console.
Are there any benchmarks out there comparing how the Pro's new RDNA4 RT cores actually compare to an equivalent 7700XT? Manufacturer's claims about RT improvements rarely ever reflect gamer reality
High rt looks better than ultra settings
@TheFalseShepphard I don't really care abput extreme 4090 level graphics. I just want the game to look good and perform just as well without dropping $3000 on a high end pc build. 1440p high/ultra no rt is perfectly suitable for me.
‘Absolutely kills’. That’s a quote and they don’t quite frankly. Plus, optimisation means that console gamers get a consistent, fully optimised performance, many exclusive titles and can literally just buy a machine, plug it in and play games. Building a decent gaming PC still costs a fair amount and with consoles, things like the RAM AND SSD is essentially subsidised in the cost, an SSD and 32gig of RAM is gonna cost you $250 odd and that’s without a box to put it in. PSU and keyboard etc - it all adds up! Sure, if you want the ray-tracing to bounce of your floor and living room walls then yeah, you can have it with a PC but you pay for it! If you simply want a machine that you can plug into your tele, play all the latest games to a very high quality without having to use a screwdriver to build the flipping thing - and also, faff around with drivers and what have you yeah, PCs can deliver better performance but ‘absolutely kills’ is just gibberish! A lot of people just want to plug in and play the games and for that purpose, consoles are still the way to go!
Where PC’s are better is certain types of games like RTS games that seldom come to the consoles and if you want to start adding, flight sticks, steering wheels etc for specific genres of games then PCs have the edge, I get that but people that play those games tend not to have an interest in the type of gaming on consoles anyway.
@StilettoGreenback I think rt is stupid, and I don't care to play 4k 30fps when I can play 1440p 100fps with a slightly more expensive pc built by myself. That shit is overrated and overpriced.
Chair sucks because it has a fabric bottom, for your bottom. Where does the pressure go? The left and right sides then have too much pressure.
Eh, I’ve had the same chair for the last year with heavy use, seems good enough for me but I did get it on a heavy discount.
Those chairs cost as much as that 4090 that some people cant afford ...
Iceberg do RX 6600 vs RTX 3060 GPU duel and maybe remake RX6600 video after Stalker 2 release
i think its better to use a 5700x3d i think rather than a 5700x or the 7500f or 7600x, i would check the 7700x but its more costly if you want a better option i think its the 5700x3d but each to his own i guess
Unfortunately unless the game offers an ini. file its hard to beat console graphics settings
what lol are you suggesting consoles run on ultra high graphics or that they very well optimized? because neither are true.
It's not even offering 45% improvements tho. Barely 20%. Quite depressing chucking a game on and it still chugging along at 30fps
Ratchet and clank rift apart struggles more on Nvidia cards due to directstorage support being broken and causing a lot of stuttering.
Dead on arrival PS5 Pro and Sony will get their bill, after Nintendo Switch 2 will stomp them into grave again 😂 I keep, my RTX PC, Series X, PS5 Slim and wait for the real next Gen consoles in 2028+ I think 🤔 Greetings
"What is dead may never die!"
It's interesting how these console killers "run laps" around the consoles and are easy enough to build but most people still have a 3060/4060, at least according to the Steam HW Survey. So i wonder the reason: is it because people aren't too fond of used components, or most PC users aren't into the idea of spending $700+ for a PC as well? 🤔
Second one mainly. 3060/4060 is popular, because its relatively inexpensive upgrade to bring older systems up to date without using used components off someone hands (4-8th gen intel, early ryzens and FX`s, lga2011-3 builds, all that stuff). And amd isnt really popular despite amazing value something like 6600/5700XT has.
By most you mean 3060/4060 being the more popular gpus, since around 6% of ppl in the survey own the 3060. It may have the largest percentage out of all the cards on steam, but 6% isn't "most people" by a longshot.
You can make the argument however that most ppl accounted for in the survey are using similar tier hardware to the 3060/4060 though. I will say that 3070ti and above account for roughly 15% of steam survey participants, and if going by Steam MAU, that's close to 20m gamers give or take.
@@TheWitch297 Also its not really a total count - around 100K people some of which can simply refuse to participate.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Yeah, here where i live the 6600 XT and the RTX 3050 were the same price at some point, but people still bought the 3050 despite the 6600 XT being way better.
@@TheWitch297 That's true, i shouldn't have used "most people" in my comment.
The fact your list is almost identical to LTTs is very interesting l, i know you've been working on this video for a while so it's likely just a neat coincidence
Yeah, I watched his video and cursed loudly when he said "i5-12400F" 🤣
@@IcebergTech”bullocks” tis what I imagine lol
PC benefits: music creation/ video creation /gaming/ movies/ emails/ data transfer/ karaoke/home entertainment/ writing/ online courses/ Web browsing/ shopping/ selling/ programming/ streaming/ customization/ multitasking
Nice thumb!
My 5600X & 3060Ti is a good console killer in basically every way except vram. 9th gen consoles are basically mid range PCs.
Everyone always forgets to factor if the $70+ controller usbc cable and HDMI 2.1 cable the ps5 comes with. To be like for like your pc budget should include a controller of some sort or a mouse and keyboard.
No one is buying plus premium.
Just got a 7900 GRE to put in my current PC. Cheaper than the PS5 Pro with disk drive, with a better CPU.
have a very similar combo, i5 12400f budget b660 board, 32 GB Samsung b die ram and an RX 7800xt
its not too hard to get a new parts pc for £700-800 that is equivalent to this with amd or nvidia for the gpu on am4 or lga1700 with ddr4. ofc if you use the amd gpu you will get worse upscaling and raytracing but usually more raw raster. anyway nice vid
iceberg if you wouldnt be against the idea how about a look at the future budget cards from amd/nvidia the ones that will fall down the stack once the enxt gen drop, namely the 7600 and rtx 3060 12gb
Not a bad idea, thanks
Why did he include 1 year of PS premium for 160? Tbf though he should've included 3-8 years of PS plus @ a minimum of 60/per year, because it's normally $80, but when it's discounted it's 60. All that money will add up, and i hate it.
not if you only play alone.
@@caliginousmoira8565 yeah i mean offline gaming can be comparable, but they should mention it. The people criticizing saying it's only 700 are likely also using the PS plus service to get the full experience. Which should be factored in for Online gaming. They never mention it though.
@@caliginousmoira8565Don't you get free games with your subscription? So PSPlus isn't just for multiplayer.
the 4070 Super would be overkill, the 3080 12GB already beats the base 4070 by around 5%
The 4070 is already 43% faster than the pro...a 3070 would suffice 😂
@@那人冷靜一點 Yeah that's what I was thinking the rtx 3070 all the way.
Ps5 pro is more like a 3070 Ti at best otherwise in between a 4060 Ti and 4070.
Honestly if only it went for 500$ instead and base ps5(digital) got a price drop to 300$
@@maskedlibrarian1483 a 4070 is faster than the 3070ti
@@那人冷靜一點 never said it wasn't bud.
I said a 3070 TI (which is roughly comparable to the ps5 pro imo) is in between a 4060 Ti and 4070
Should have used a better cpu to account for the cost of PlayStation plus.
$80 us a year.
Console killer pcs will never make sense to me lol. You're buying used parts with questionable history, no warranty which could die in a day or two. Plus there's a need for peripherals... everything which the ps5 gets plus its new. Also, why factor in a blu ray drive?
12:50 starfield optimization lmao
banger after banger videos. get this man 100k subs already!
I love this channel; it absolutely flips the script on the whole "buy new CPU/GPU or you will lose every game" nonsense I see everywhere else.
dont get me wrong, new parts need to be reviewed but when we are talking dollars to performance, real world user experience, your channel kills it everytime.
I was really looking at the 9800X3d but honestly the 9700x is better and cheaper and offers the same perf at 4k where I game. at 4k the 9800X3d doesnt give me much more lift for 35% more money, additionally the 9700x uses 6 less dollars per year in power based on a 25% load, that matters.
the 7700X and 9800X3d use about the same power. if I look at a 50% load as I game but also code, as well as mess around in blender and adobe I save 16.39 a year over the other two with a 9700X. the 9700x also costs less to cool so my AC will run less in the summer time, I keep my room at 64f/17.8C year round.
TLDR Matching the CPU to use is a much more dollar smart approach than blindly buying the latest "best" of anything
Ryzen 5 5600-Vanilla is overclockable, unlike the 12400...I put a 200mhz+ Boost on mine, making it essentially a 5600x...REALLY great CPU....honestly, if we are comparing to the PS5, the Ryzen 5 5500 or Ryzen 5 3600x would be perfectly fine.
12400f cab be oc but you been certain motherboard
1:07 jango fett / mandalorian
Nice chair
New ice video lets goooo
Buy a second hand ps5 pro next year and tray to beat. Good luck! Next time use new parts !
It’s the same on both PC and Ps5 Pro. Good to know.
Most of these games haven’t had a ps5 pro patch haha just relying on game boost! Do this when the pro has been out a year to get proper results!
its easy to beat the pro with used parts, and with other country pro pricing. doing an all new pc (like the pro has all new parts) with usa ps5 pro pricing is much, much harder
I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to br varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me.
I'd love:
-Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb
- Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb
-Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt
- Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800
-Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt
-Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre.
And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off Novmber 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku.
Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more flesher out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series.
Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And olease, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
A ps5 Pro here costs 1000 usd, I think that speaks for itself already lmao
The PS5 Pro killer is its price.
And congratulations on the sponsor Mr Iceberg!
Well technically you didn't actually kill the PS5 Pro, all these USED parts cost $50 more than the console
@@AhmedTSN Yeah, and the inclusion of PS Plus subscription was odd. At least, one should compare with the lowest tier, not the more expensive ones.
Hey, having the ability to shop for a used 3080 or 6800XT is just an advantage you get when building a PC.
Kinda a skill issue
@@BonusCrook In the other hand, you could buy the pro as second hand as well 🙂
@@anssiaatos on amazon at least such a thing doesnt exist open box or used. On ebay they are only being scalped at the moment.
I bought a 3080ti for £380 a month ago
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they hve no good answer to pssr? thats just fsr no?
It's $1120 in the Philippines... Without the stand and disc drive 😭😂
dude how many rtx 3080s you have XdD
Including Tis? Erm... 4.... 😊