Which Modern Showrunner Was Better? A Look At The Data.
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- I look at the Data received from you, the people in my community who voted on my showrunner poll, critics and audience scores and viewer ratings to see which showrunner comes out on top.
This is only the MODERN Showrunners. Showrunners is a modern term that the classic era didn't have, they had an alternative role. So in case of this video, it only includes Russel, Steven & Chris.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:44 Rotten Tomatoes
02:45 Era Viewing Figures
04:52 Written Viewing Figures
06:07 Results - Розваги
Im a bit surprised you never looked at something like IMDb scores, with comparing eras and comparing episodes written solely by the showrunners. Of course, IMDb has an issue with every single one of Whittaker's episodes being reviewbombed to hell, and also that an episode's reported score often differs from its actual arithmetic score (and to varying degrees; some episodes have a lower reported score than arithmetic score, but other episodes are the other way around).
If you care to look at the actual arithmetic scores for each era, here is the breakdown:
Davies - 8.00
Moffat - 7.88
Chibnall - 5.83
Going by individual seasons:
Season 1 - 7.96
Season 2 - 7.80
Season 3 - 7.97
Season 4 - 8.34
Season 5 - 8.08
Season 6 - 7.96
Season 7 - 7.69
Season 8 - 7.68
Season 9 - 8.00
Season 10 - 7.62
Season 11 - 5.69
Season 12 - 5.70
Season 13 - 6.26
If we wanna get really granular and only count episodes written (or co-written) by the showrunners (including episodes written prior to them becoming showrunner), it looks like this:
Davies - 7.98
Moffat - 8.43 (8.31 just in his era)
Chibnall - 6.10 (5.86 just in his era)
I find those last numbers most striking because it highlights how much better Moffat episodes usually score in comparison to Davies episodes. I also find it worth mentioning that Moffat wrote a grand total of 9 episodes that scored at least a 9.00, while Davies only wrote 2 (The Parting of the Ways with a 9.01, and Doomsday with a 9.09). Meanwhile, Chinall's best episode was Power of the Doctor with a 7.58 (which I personally think wouldve scores significantly higher if it werent for being a Chibnall-era episode).
Idk why i calculated all this. Let me know if you have any questions, because i know have a document with the exact IMDb arithmetic scores for every episode.
Anyways, I would say Moffat is my favorite because he wrote most of my favorite episodes, Season 9 is my favorite season, and Capaldi is my favorite Doctor.
Love this! I wanted to do IMDb as well but was a bit short on time as needed other stuff to get done so just focused on RT for critic vs audience. Appreciate you doing this though, legend!
As someone who is only very familiar with the Davies’ era, which of Moffat’s episodes would you most recommend?
(I love the clips I’ve seen of Capaldi’s Doctor but like Matt’s a lot as well)
I’d say you want to experience the lot, the best episodes have a lot of context around them. Don’t worry series 5 kicks off with a bang, couple of rough episodes after the first but is then possibly the best of the revival.
One thing I find influences IMDb score more than showrunner is Doctor. Even within eras the episodes in Ecclestons run are absolutely under rated and Tennnants overrated.
As it’s a public rather than fan poll whether they like the current Doctor seems to be a huge factor.
Also most votes date back to when the episodes aired, so how long it took to warm to a Doctor is relevant.
@JamesTaylor117 I second Alex's comment above; a lot of the best episodes unfortunately semi-require having watched previous episodes to understand context. I would not want to recommend any episodes because I think skipping right to those episodes and ignoring others would be doing yourself a disservice. Season 5 is a very strong season for the most part, containing mostly bangers with a few duds (as with most seasons). I'd definitely just start with The Eleventh Hour if you haven't watched any Moffat.
(this is the unfortunate problem with Doctor Who always bringing up characters and plot points from previous seasons... it's hard to just jump into it anywhere or watch individual episodes.)
Even during RTD’s original era, Moffat wrote the best stories!
he didnt write Midnight
It’s Moffat by a landslide for me. It’s the most thematically rich era the show has ever had, and Moffat is easily the single strongest writer of the revival.
Moffat had a few little mishaps here and there but for me was the best show runner of all, felt RTD era was a bit repetitive and i got bored after series 2.. Moffat era had me hooked to DW and chibnall era made me.. lose all hope
Moffat was abysmal. He had one good series with the first Matt Smith series then he ran out of ideas and decided instead to ripoff wholesale The Time travelers wife.
It’s very interesting seeing how the consensus has already shifted from RTD being the best to Moffat being no 1 in the gap between Power of the Doctor to now. The Cycle of Showrunner hate strikes again- Very well made and interesting video! Incredible job!
It’s actually such a clear shift too, feels like it all just happened at once
I think Moffat looked way better the moment Chibnall took over and Russell looked way worse after writing some pretty poor specials last year. Plus Moffat was always pretty appraised as being at least a decent contender for best, unlike Chibnall
I mean Moffat always had a huge following in the fan base, even as the show aired his era on doctorwhotv smashed ratings records.
The issue was there were a lot of people who only knew Russell’s work and were annoyed it wasn’t that.
Now people are used to change and that means their perspectives shift.
It isn't a shift for me; I always preferred Moffat.
I have gained a new appreciation for Moffat and I wouldn’t have minded if it was him who came back, that said nothing can beat RTD’s first run.
Imho, I've gotta say the moffster. Man understood the character.
but not the show
And the show, just watching series 9 now and that series could happily fit into classic who - it’s the old show just better.
RTD didn’t understand it, all the elements, the cheese viewers tolerated he thought defined it.
I’d argue Moffat understood facets of the character under his tenure. He had a problem with glorifying the Doctor. Russell’s era worked with David and Chris because of his vain personality. But you see reflected his actions throughout the run. It’s flaws in which Matt rarely got. Peter was written more flawed. But Russell understood the moral ambiguity of the character. As it stands, there’s only one time where the Doctor is seen in a negative light as Matt and that’s the end of the Girl who Waited. But that’s just my honest opinion. Sorry I ramble 😂
@@Smabbott it was chibbs that spoiled everything after that
@@pastorbriTo me, his era felt like old Doctor Who, brought into the modern era and successfully updated.
Moffat is good at writing self-contained stories and for setting up seasons. He rarely sticks the landing with the finales and definitely needs some additional help with season long arcs. Overall, I think Moffat is very clever but thinks he is more clever than he actually is. Davies, in my opinion, does the best job at creating season long plots with satisfying conclusions. In my opinion, series 4 is probably the strongest of the revival era.
Moffat was the best showrunner.
Chibnall never had a good reputation, and RTD ruined his own (previously good) one by making the show all about being gay.
He is even turning Davros into a normal human because he thinks the original kids will be scared of disabled people (he was supposed to be half Dalek, not disabled).
Moffat had the best reputation, 2 of the best doctors, some of the best seasons, and created some of the best characters (weeping angels, river song, etc.)
He had a few bad episodes but they were either just rushed or not written by him. It's not like Chibnall where the doctor is suddenly the god of the universe, or RTD where the doctor gets scolded for misgendering an alien.@mrdavros8908
I think Moffats best work is when he only has one or two episodes and a limited budget during RTDs era, I think when he gets more freedom he gets lost in his own writing
Chibnall is the worst (including classic and future show runners)
This!
Sack Russell and bring back Moffat
I prefer RTD as a showrunner.
Moffat as a standalone story writer.
And Chibnall as a person
Why i feel Chibnall era is the weakest : less able at humour, routine plotting, clearly targeted his stories at a less mature audience , felt formulaic, rarely actually *interesting* to a non juvenile audience.
Basically , Chibnall wrote a *childrens* show, Davies and Moffat wrote a *family* show.
Most importantly: Davies and Moffat better at creating characters we cared about. I still feel sorry for Jade and Lynda with a Y….they were only in one episode each. Rivers first appearance tears me up every time. You could have eliminated the entire main cast under the Chibnall era and it wouldn’t have bothered me. They were not horrible, by any means, but they didnt make us feel *involved*.
Thats aside from the whole “not really a timelord” storyline that he (re)introduced, which is a separate matter.
Moffat is the best. He's where I started.
Same here 9.5 Year Old Me has Moffat to thank why I am a fan...That *Realising how Old I am soon* was nearly 14 Years Ago...Boy I feel Old!!
he's not. Kill the Moon. I rest my case.
I think RTD was the best overall showrunner but Moffat wrote most of the best stories
To answer your question at the end of your video, for me it's pretty simple. It's lack of narrative cohesion, confused thematic arcs, and poorly written characters. I was down with the new Doctor Who! The show has always evolved and it always will. I think Jodie wasn't a bad casting choice, I liked her costume, new Sonic, Tardis interior and the companions seemed alright. But the show didn't know what to do with any of them. It reminded me a lot of the Force Awakens, just thinly drawn sketches of characters, good actors with nothing to work with. There was no drama because the screenwriters didn't know how to bounce the characters off of each other in any way that was interesting and the show became dull as a rock FAST. The story arcs weren't investing or interesting, and didn't make you want to keep watching, nothing like the cracks in time, The Silence, Mr. Saxon or the Impossible Girl to keep you interested. And finally, there didn't seem to be an exploration of core ideas and themes to tie the seasons together. So at the end of the day, it was the writing.
Nope. The writing was just fine. "It's the writing* isn't a real reason.
@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg ??????? He asked for my opinion and I gave it. I'm not stating why anyone else might have not enjoyed the show, just myself.
@@JDirkfilms2 and I'm just saying "the writing" isn't a reason.
@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg The nature of the way you're writing your sentences comes across as inherently argumentative and wildly dismissive. Instead of saying "in my opinion", you're stating something as fact by saying "the writing isn't a reason." That's how it comes across anyway. I think that when two people are conversing they should always be kind and respectful of other people's opinions, and if you liked the writing in the show, that's fine, and I won't tell you you're wrong for feeling how you feel but I also think you shouldn't imply that my opinion is "not a reason." Because to me, it is.
@@JDirkfilms2 you're being overly defensive, and I'm not responsible for that. "It's the writing" is a thought-limiting statement - it's the opposite of a real reason. It's like your parents saying "it just is" or "because I said so".
RTD is overrated and needs to address what went on in series 1 considering Chris Eccleston is so bitter about what went on behind closed doors. He is weak with fan service, in my opinion, and most of my favourite stories in his era come from Moffat. Chibnall is overly hated and I do enjoy his era, but it's mediocre at best. Moffat did some stupid things in his tenure, but if I had to choose, I'd say his era is the one I have the strongest connection to.
its rtd for a mile for me but its just because im more character focused personally in the media i enjoy, as a character writer between the three it isnt even close and i hope even moffat fans can recognise that
I am a Moffat fan and I just can't agree that RTD is better at characters. He's more focused on them, sure, but I wouldn't say he's better at them.
3:28 The Five Year Plan was not said by Chibnall. It was said by an associate of his from a previous program predicting how long Chibnall will stay. It was just a prediction by a friend of Chibnall
There was no “5 Year Plan”
Objectively? Moffat, no contest
No
Reason I don't like Chibnall's run is because the writing was horrible from episode 4 of series 11 to the end.
The changes made were too big and the approach really wasn't good. It's kind of the same reason I didn't like the new Christmas Special, not that the changes were too big, but the approach really wasn't good. I am very disappointed. The 3 50th Specials were bangers, some more than others, but the Christmas Special was a huge downgrade, which wasn't something I expected at all. I really thought that with RTD's return, it would be better than Chibnall's run, not around the same level.
Moffat's multi-season long character arcs were a bit difficult for children to appreciate, but he nailed it in a way that nobody else ever has.
I loved it and hated it at the same time, coming from RTD who would tend to wrap it all up in 1 series to having Moffat be like "screw it, this story will go on for years!" was odd but was also cool seeing over many years
that community poll is very interesting, because I've seen multiple yt community polls asking the same question and RTD is usually around 65-67% with Moffat at 30-33%
RTD and Chibnall look hilariously similar
Yes, I can't Unsee that!!!
It was Russel, it’s now Steven Moffat
The problem with viewing data is the way people watch television has changed in the past twenty years. There is a few ways to reduce the bias, consider ‘the most watched that week’ ranking or create an index of viewers/total viewers for that same day.
We're truly lucky to have such talent invested in Doctor Who.
Who was best! That’s easy…
Verity Lambert, followed by Barry Letts and Philip Hinchcliffe
I didn't enjoy Chinbal's run because it didn't feel like Doctor Who. Where's the moral complexity, the speeches, the Doctor pulling out his name and everyone cowering in fear? I lost interest after giant spider eats people, and racist time traveler. These plots were so straight forward. Even the Satan Pit, while having a straight forward evil just cause bad guy, was mysterious! The Chinball seasons felt like the awnser to all problems were: exposition. That's why.
Chibnall is a fan of the classic era where the doctor didn’t do big fantastic speeches also didn’t have a reputation to cause people to cower at the mention of the title doctor most of the time he was underestimated by the people he was trying to help and here would be large chunks of time where the sonic screwdriver wasn’t seen at all and when the show started the companions were the main characters and the doctor was just how they got from place to place this doesn’t mean his era was perfect cause I even have my issues with his but it’s just some context of why he could’ve made some decisions he did
@@kevin10001 All good points, my critique comes from a modern perspective as a NuWhovian. I'm not much for classic.
Moffat ...the other two made the show far more of their personal statement on their personal issues with life
Exactly 👏
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moffat was the best imo
Moffat by far. He gave us a genuine eccentric actor for the Doctor in the form of Matt Smith. He also gave us an older Doctor with the magnificent stern Peter Capaldi, something that a shallow ageist producer like RTD would never understand.
I'm pretty sure Jenna Coleman was playing The Doctor for Series 8 and 9. Moffat was shit.
Rtd is the king Moffitt is the queen chibnall is the court jester
Strong disagree. Court jesters are meant to be entertaining.
Russell was more consistent but now he's tainting his legacy with the newer episodes, Steven Moffatt's style was more of an acquired taste, chibnall is completely awful and needs to be erased from canon. so overall i'd say moffat is now the best
Honestly what I liked less from Chibnall's era wasn't his writing. It was the music. With some exceptions, 90% of his era's music was crap. That's why it didn't feel like Doctor Who.
Have to agree with this, the music just isn’t memorable for me, I’m so glad Murray Gold has returned because his music is just great!
The magic is back to the show :)@@thewholook
RTD built an amazing era of the show. Moffat came along and put bullets in a gun, Chibnall took the gun and immediately fired it at the show.
No, RTD make the show a soap opera.
@@mayotango1317 I would take any soap opera over “Clara Who” any day.
@@thetimeshadow6769 You mean "Rose Who", when Rose was the focus or the show for 4 seasons.
@@mayotango1317 There’s a difference between focusing on a character and unnecessarily making them the main character. RTD focused on Rose. Moffat turned Clara into The Doctor. It was more like we in the audience were following Clara on her adventures in the TARDIS and Peter Capaldi occasionally came along and joined her for her adventures. Rather than the other way round. Poor Peter Capaldi didn’t even get to stand in the spotlight until Series 10. Moffat had no idea who the Doctor was acc supposed to be or how to write him.
@@thetimeshadow6769 Funny because Rose feel like the Doctor in Turn Left and later. Even The Doctor miss the blonde became annoying. Tennant never was the Doctor, only her boyfriend.
Can we account for the change in viewing habits between these different showrunners? Less and less people are watching terrestrial tv each year and that could account for some of the drop. The problem with using viewing stats like these is that they are open to interpretation...Its not like each showrunner had a fresh start, each subsequent showrunner has to somehow refresh the concept after 15 continuous years on the air... And tv is so expensive to produce now that even Ncuti's Disney era only gets 10 episodes a season!!
Ncutis is actually only getting 8 + 1 Christmas special so even less, but at least it’s more than flux got, even though that was reduced for other reasons.
But yeah as I say in video it’s not my favourite way to compare but I know a lot of people like using the stats even though the stats tend to go against people’s personal opinions overall like I also found.
If you only count 1 of each 2 parter and don't include the specials (they go in the "Other" section on most streaming services), that's pretty much the same amount we've had since 2010.
Moffat is my personal favorite showrunner. He was able to build such interesting dialogue, characters, and settings, fleshing them out over each episode into a piece of art. His skills of connecting arcs are beyond belief! I love RTD too, but the fairytale-like story Moffat portrays calls to me.
To answer your question about Chibnall’s era, I felt that the writing lacked cohesion or interest. In multiple episodes, the writing disagreed with each other and we were giving very little narrative cohesion. There were definitely some good episodes, however, such as “Rosa” and “The Power of the Doctor.” My biggest problem is the amount of storylines and characters in one episode. Yes, this has been done well before, such as in “A Good Man Goes to War.” Still, when I look at Chibnall stories, nearly every episode has so much going on, trying to symbolize so much and say so much that it says nothing. Even if the meaning is more well-emphasized, it can be so on-the-nose that it becomes annoying. With so many characters, it is so easy to lose control of the viewer’s understanding and interest, and I lost that interest five minutes into nearly every episode.
Moffat created the best monsters and timetravel concepts, RTD delivered the best character dynamics and arcs. Together they made the best episodes.
As a fan I opt for Moffat as stronger, but I think his stories are harder for the general audience to follow. RTD tends to write character driven stories that the general audience find easier to latch on to.
That being said, I get the impression that RTD would do a lot a re-writing of other writer's scripts to bring them up to scratch, and Moffat didn't do this. As a result, some of the stories by other writers in the Moffat era turned out weaker than some of thoses in RTD's.
I've heard others say before that "Davies is a TV writer, while Moffat is a storyteller." That's not a diss on either one, mind you, but stating that Moffat likes to go for very grand and thematically rich stories that don't always fit TV super well, whereas Davies is better at writing more grounded, simpler stories that are easier for the general viewer to watch.
(also, with regards to Davies editing episodes, I've read previously that the S01 episode "Dalek" was practically rewritten by Davies. This led to the episode writer, Robert Shearman, to never return to the show due to being frustrated by having his script completely changed)
I read RTD's "A Writers' Tale" some years ago, so I know how he beats himself up over his own script deadlines and rewriting other writers' work.
On a side issue I'd love to see Moffat and Gatis try a Bond script. I'd also like to hear Gold trying a Bond soundtrack. @@crystalcove99
Moffat writing in an RTD era is peak
Russel t davies and Steven moffet were a good dynamic duo. At the end moffat was better
I think fans (me included) sometimes get fixated on what makes good "Who" and what should be rejected or ignored. I really hated the off-hand way the Mary Tamm version of Romana regenerated into Lalla Ward. As a kid I was sure (after only seeing one regeneration story) that the process of changing the character was more dramatic, so I thought that opening scene in "Destiny of the Daleks" was very poorly written (although I now I understand why they had to do it that way).
The idea that fans "own" the programme and that showrunners are simply the caretakers is an interesting one. I don't have a (false) feeling of ownership over any other drama that I watch, although I'm always seeing actors in strong character roles and thinking "they would make a good Doctor".
I wander if people who regularly watch soap share this feeling of ownership? Come to think of it, I'm not really a fan of sci-fi in general, I just like the Doctor. I do like other dramas and I wander of other Who fans of my generation share my tastes.
Definitely Moffat
Moffats highs are higher, but his lows are also lower
Categorically false. Nothing Moffat did was as low as the Timeless Children.
@@BigPriq That's really not true :D
They didn’t even mention timeless child…
Lower than fear her, love and monsters, evolution of the daleks? I've just done a rewatch and - no, no I can say this is a nonsense.
I would say Moffats success and downfall was stability, there really weren't many episodes which were outright bad, infact not until Kill the Moon was there anything I'd even consider putting in the worst pile (which doesn't mean I didn't think Black Spot was bad - it just wasn't painful like L&M).
His biggest issue was he never found a replacement for himself - all RTDs highest highs were Moffat with all the time in the world to create a script. He never found a writer as good as himself and so most of the highs like Heaven Sent were by him, and other high's like the Girl Who Waited he penned the outline for.
@LhazeyTom than RTD I think he means. Chibnall's highs are scraping Moffat's lows.
I've also always like Steven Moffat's era of Dcotor Who than compared to RTD's era. And Steven Moffat doesn't seem as woke of a writer to me as RTD does.
I did like RTD because he was responsible for bringing back DW, but I’m not struck on some of his more infantile moments (Slitheen - fart jokes etc). Moffat has written some of the best stories & created the most memorable villains of the modern era. Chibnall lost me from the start. I liked a couple of episodes (Rosa/Demons of the Punjab) but mostly the others were, at best, decent filler stories (Witchfinders/It Takes You Away), & at worst just not very memorable (series 12), culminating in the incomprehensible series 13.
Now that we have the era of RTD2 I’m hoping to get less singing goblins & typical RTD showboating stuff & more Boom, 73 yards & Dot & Bubble. Whilst I understand that DW has always been a show for all the family to watch I hope RTD can drop some of the puerile elements & give us some good stories, interesting characters (& by that I don’t mean having “representation” rammed down our throats), & some genuine scary/creepy elements.
So in conclusion I’d say Moffat is King, TRD is Queen, & Chibnall the Baron Bomburst of DW.
All are good writers, but not necessarily for DW.
Chibnall wrote some excellent episodes for Torchwood, we shouldn’t forget the first series Broadchurch.
Moffat wrote Coupling: ass sort of British ‘Friends’ for a grown up audience.
RTD wrote Years And Years, and It’s A Sin.
Without RTD, DW would have died in the 90s.
IMH, some of the best episodes were written by Moffat with RTD as show-runner.
If Moffat has written any episodes for Gatwa, I think (hope) all will be well.
I am bot going to rank them myself, because all opinions on this matter are inevitably subjective.
Moffat for me and it’s not even close
This is hard, choosing between Russel T Davies and Steven Moffat. I am not going to say who is better. Davies writes those Modern Earth Stories and Moffat writes those Space Stories. I kinda like that together.
Without doubt, Mr Moff was the better writer. I'm not going to take anything away from RTD but felt it was a little cheesie where as Moff brought Doctor Who to the Dan's of Old and New, kids talked to Mams & Dad's about the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Doctor's and even Paul thankfully managed to appear. As for Chib's I live his own personal written episodes, he just isn't a show runner but is certainly worthy of being a right hand Man to the other 2. All have done well in my eyes and I don't dislike any of them, just prefer Moff.
Moffet had the best doctors, the best tardis, very interesting storylines and episodes that can be considered to be iconic years later. While I do enjoyed RTD first run, moffat made me a doctor who fan!
Easily Moffat. Only thing he did wrong was sexualise the doctor a bit to much. But that had started with RTD anyway
Two words ""Orphan 55"
Lets see... chinball killef any chance he got the moment he touched a pen
RTD preformed reputational suicide.
And Moffat was the best.
6:24 Do i have to really answer this question ? XD
Moffat was the best, hate against him is forced and arbitrary.
its not a matter of who was the best but who was the worst. We are looking at you Chibnal.
No contest its Russell T Davies, he had the best plannned stories and series arcs, the best characters and actors. Moffat had some excellent standalone stories but as a showrunner his story arcs are not well planned, they always feel underused and are always very confusing and don't make a whole lot of sense. Whereas Chibnall had bad stories, poor writing, bad characters and terrible story arcs.
RTD is the best show runner but Steven Moffat is the best writer
Moffat and love seeing the love for hus ers ...he GOT the doctor abd i adored Smith and Capaldi so much ...crutically and commercially for 8 years iconic
I feel like I’m a bit biased because I grew up with RTD first and my favourite doctor was 10 but Moffat did have his moments. Oh he definitely had his moments. Personally I prefer the soap opera/sci fi kind of vibe the RTD era had
Moffat was the best writer, RTD was the best Showrunner
The objective answer
Where these 3 are concerned,
that’s a contradiction in terms.
I remember during the Capaldi era people claiming they were going to boycott the show, warning us it is near cancellation because of Moffat’s ego and lazy writing. I actually prefer the Moffat era. I’m glad other commenters enjoyed it too.
Moffat did my two favorite doctors, my favorite companions, and my favorite stories.
They're all hacks. So, Hinchcliffe.
Ignoring the data and just going with how much I liked or disliked it Davis has the higher hit rate. Yes he could get cheesy and syrupy but there were a lot more hits than misses from him. Moffat got out the gates running and his first two seasons are my favourite of New Who but he ran out of steam quickly and the quality started to drop. We got a return to form from him with Capaldi's first season but again, that high quality mark started to drop again quickly. As for Chiball?. Flux is either a love or hate story and personally I love it as well as The Power Of The Doctor but I thought the rest of his efforts ranged from disappointing to offensive (as a vehement anti-racist I had a real problem with Rosa and didn't like the idea of the Doctor and Co taking anything away from the civil rights movement) to quite frankly dreadful episodes. Chibnall only seemed to be "on" with either Flux of if The Master was involved.Jodie had a HUGE task on her hands being the first female Doctor and while she DID get there eventually (again Flux) Chibnall did NOT supply her with the ammunition she needed for what was a huge change to the show
RTD is the better show runner but Moffat is the better writer
To me, a showrunner has to be judged on how they balance being lead writer with production oversight AND promotion of the show. With that last caveat, it’s RTD. If we're talking who’s the best storyteller at their best, it’s Moffat. RTD with Moffat writing - unbeatable!
I'd say Moffat was better at both production and promotion. His run looks FAR better visually than RTD's. Yes, when full CGI is used for something, it still looked a bit ass, but that was a limitation no showrunner at the time with that budget could have overcome. And as for promotion, Moffat brought Doctor Who to America with S6. As in it started airing on BBC America.
I say Russell t davies because he grew up around doctor who
They all did.
He grew up on Classic Who but still changed the Doctor too much by making him highly emotional and flirty.
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl the more emotion the better
@@kylelacey8036 No! Makes him too human. I can tell you didn’t grow up on Classic Who.
@@PaulRichards-vz4pl my dad showed me classic who when I was six
Well Moffat is definitely my favourite writer and showrunner. RTD is a pretty close second. Chibnall's a pretty distant third, particularly as showrunner. I loved certain stories from his era tho.
Easily RTD, his era was peak doctor who, he had the show at its most popular, most high rated, most awards won, it was cool, nation wide drama, it wasn’t a kids show, it was event tv like line of duty. He WAS the best showrunner. Story story story, character character character, drama, emotion.
But then he turned woke, buckled to executive meddling, his ego got too large and he seems to be sinking the show to new depths with his woke, whack you around the face self insert nonsense. The two poor quality actors he’s got in the lead now aren’t going to lift this show. It’s a disaster waiting to happen. But he can pretend it’s a success because he’s filming so far in advance, so regardless of how dire this new series will obviously be, they’ll still be two more coming. Quite clever really, blow up everyone’s favorite show well in advance while you’ve still got bucket loads of content all filmed, packaged and ready to arrive straight after so if everyone hates it, who cares? You can pretend it’s a success because there’s more coming
Hands down it's Moffat. Anyone who disagrees is biased or on copium.
wait what 😂 yes I am biased... towards my personal preferences aha
I grew up with 10 and RTD hated Moffat’s eta growing up but now I’m 25 I laugh at the fact i thought the rtd era and tennant were the best 😂 it’s crazy seeing how bias people are with the doctors like they only watched one and the best is always the one they grew up with 😂😂
@@Budbrothers420 they were the best though and the writing/ratings show
@@DoctorWhoManiaProductions23 so what doesn’t mean sh’t we live in a world where tv viewing numbers don’t matter anymore they would rather keep something going with next to no viewers than end it so I don’t agree. it’s not really a fair way of judging the doctor’s performance because what about all the doctors before new who who weren’t watched because people couldn’t afford a tv. Also when you grow up spending everyday of your life believing your the 10th Doctor it’s just depressing not cool or fun he’s a pretty sad a lonely traveler he was just a hot mess and after the 60th I lost a lot of loved I had for the 10th Doctor as 14th was a better version of him. It don’t make the anniversary less crap but yeah. I just can’t agree the viewing figures mean as much as they used to
if i had to rank them, i would say moffat (series 8-10), rtd (series 1-4), moffat (series 5-7), chibnall. i split moffat in 2 because series 5-7 had a lot of sexism and worse overarching plots, while series 8-10 was really well written, 10 especially.
People are forgetting showrunner≠writer. Most would agree that moffat is the best writer, especially considering his work during RTD's tenure. However S1-4 is the most consistent and cohesive nuwho has been. With returning companions and villains. As well as two successful spinoffs built upon characters established/reestablished in the main show. Imagine the patenoster gang or clara and me having shows of their own. The fact is when moffat wasn't writing who, he was too busy writing sherlock to be the best showrunner he could be.
Hmm RT critic scores, all cred lost immediately
Moffat is definitely the best writer of modern who, but I still enjoy RTD’s style of running things more. That’s why personally I really hope Moffat returns as a writer again under RTD’s new run.
STEVEN MOFFAT WOOT
Moffat was capable, the other two are clowns.
Honestly, I just got very frustrated with Moffat pretending to be cleverer than he really was. There were several points where a character said or did something acting like it was very intelligent or cool and I involuntarily squinted at how braindead it was.
Can’t think of any examples in his writing, but this post would qualify.
Implies intellectual superiority to another by badmouthing them and pointing out your ability to recognise it. No examples of their failing or your superiority.
Only in the land of Trump do people believe you when you boast about your own abilities and bad mouth others.
Moffat created the best monsters and timetravel concepts, RTD delivered the best character dynamics and arcs. Together they made the best episodes. My concern now with the return of RTD is his characters like Ruby Sunday seem a little flat and uninteresting. Her problems are all external so far, she's not shown as aimless and lost like Rose, or pining like Martha or impatient and prone to anger like Donna. She's perfect except something happened to her parents... I just dont see any tension in that dynamic with her and the Doctor. And 15 has the same want!? Literally doesnt know who his parents are... which maybe unites their needs too much
it’s literally a fact that RTD is better then any other show writer
Literally
Yes I agree
It's an opinion. RTD 1 was my favourite era, but Moffat was a better Doctor Who writer on average episode.
That's not literally a fact. RTD can certainly write a good episode - "Turn Left" for example, but Moffat consistently wrote top tier episodes.
@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Turn Left was amazing. But The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Silence in the Library/The Forest of the Dead, during RTD's run. Top tier indeed.
I feel like rtd's era was the most consistent while moffatt's era was an era of high highs and low lows. Meanwhile chibnall was alright at best and god awful at worst.
A show that started in 2005 just finished "celebrating" its 60th anniversary. Wow. Anyway, Nuvian erasure of DW aside, you failed to analyse the viewing figures properly (surprise, surprise). Eve of the Daleks (with 3M overnight) was the 6th most watched programme of the day, just like The Snowmen (7M overnight) was the 6th most watched programme of the day - that's what makes them equals. People tuning out of TV in general ≠ people tuning out of DW specifically.
The real reasons "fans" dislike Chinball's "era": 1) the dialogue isn't cringe 2) less exploitative gimmicks (his first series didn't bring back any old monsters/characters & didn't have a finale), 3) they grew up & regressed into becoming conservatives, hence why they even started disliking Capaldi's tenure, near the end.
Jodie actually performed better than Capaldi viewing figure-wise, so let's not pretend that the show was under threat of cancellation due to anything the show did itself during Jodie's tenure.
It's nothing to do with "Nuvian erasure", it's that the role of Showrunner is something that Classic Who didn't have, I was solely looking at Revival era because it's the only era with showrunners, Classic Who had "producer" and "script editor".
The overnight figures were included in the overall figures, but as I said in the video I didn't want to go into it to much because viewing figures constantly changing is not a fully fair comparison. So to get the basics out the way I used the overall number recorded. Like all the people who said Doctor Who was finished after the Christmas special even though it was #3 for the day.
The almost cancellation wasn't anything to do with Jodie's run per say, more the fact BBC decided they couldn't make the show how it was, which is why we have other companies who are part of the show now. But the decision was all COVID based, but Chibnall managed to get another season, even though it was reportedly less that he originally wanted for Flux. Not the first time BBC had considered axing the show in revival era, they almost did it in 2009/2010 when David and Russell were leaving but decided not to. I'm sure we'll hear of cancellation rumours again in the future at some point.
Man I tried I tried I really tried, but that Chibbnal shit is garbage as fuck I can barely even sit through an episode he had everything, and he failed so miserably from the writing to the design of the show. It just doesn’t feel like Doctor Who. Did anybody enjoy a single episode? Who did he make that shit for? Absolutely terrible job, it wasn’t entertaining at all, It wasn’t even so bad that it’s good, It was just sad to watch.😞 feel bad for everybody who was involved in making seris 11 to 13.
1. RTD 2. Chibnall 3. Moffat
After the 60th anniversary 😂 I have to say Moffat grew up with rtd and David tennant but unlike most people I really didn’t care about it 😂 doctor who died with 12 it’s hard to say that but I haven’t felt anything for the show really since his leaving. Power of the doctor was good tho looking back I think I would rather the show cancelled than it dragged through the mud anymore
chibbs is the worst
Moffat is genuinly such a terrible writer.. S6 is a disaster and there isnt a lot to capaldis run that really stands out. Also shirlock S4 garbage, inside man? genuinly one of the worst things ive ever watched. stop worshipping the guy
I've also always like Steven Moffat's era of Dcotor Who than compared to RTD's era. And Steven Moffat doesn't seem as woke of a writer to me as RTD does.