Why Did God Allow Satan to Challenge Job and Jesus?
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2024
- Why in the world did God give Satan the time of day at Job's expense, and why did Jesus talk to Satan in the desert? In this video, Frank highlights some of the possible reasons that God has occasionally chosen to interact with Satan. SPOILER ALERT: God knows what He's doing.
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I love the testimony of Job! My testimony: After being an atheist for 8+ years, and "married" to another female, I got the urge one day to say out loud "IF there is an Almighty God that does NOT wish us pain or sorrow, please bring me truth, I wish to know you exist". Then God immediately started bringing me the answers I had been searching 8-11 YEARS for! I witnessed Him take control of my internet and the rest of my reality; He first proved to me that demons exist (I called them "inter-dimensional beings"), then He proved His own existence, which I later found to be Jesus Christ. As soon as I found Jesus at the end of 2020, He IMMEDIATELY took away my transgenderism, bisexuality, depression, daily suicide attempts, self harm, bulimia and anorexia; and He did this all without me asking Him to, because THAT'S how merciful and loving He is! Praise God!
Amen Wonderful testimony and that's the work of the holy spirit as you know.
Speaking to individuals in ways only the individuals would understand
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2npGet thee behind me, Satan.
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2np
This wrong you CANNOT be a true Christian and be lgbt. We all know from the beginning God created Adam and Eve one man and one woman. God didn’t create two men or two women to have sex.
@@MichaelMcDonald-my2npcan't be in open rebellion to God's Word and claim to worship Him
Finally! I see so many Christians and Pastors talk about Jesus quoting Scripture to defend from Satan, but I rarely if ever see them mention that Satan _also_ used Scripture to attack Jesus. It's so important to remember that Scripture can be twisted and used against you, we can't be complacent. I'm glad Frank brought it up.
God is symboled by the seven signs and Satan is symboled by the five signs.
You will find Satan in Revelation 9.5. This is where the scorpion (Satan) aka Scorpio is the leader of Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. These are the five months of winter when the year is divided into seven and five signs.
Yes the deceiver twist scripture to catch those who don't know what is really written.
The reason why God said My people perish because of their lack of knowledge.
@harvey
Yawn. more meaningless connections and arbitrary metaphors from the potential cult member.
Please accept the simple Gospel a nd reject this manmade hyper-metaphorism madness.
God does not author confusion, but your hypersymbolism sure does!
I have encountered a possessed person who talked and used verses from scripture. Luckily I read the bible and I knew his verses were distorted and he got angry with reality I told him. This is happening in the world now, using Christianity is about love so we have to accept what used to be wrong in the name of love.
@@drillyourarguments
God is not the author of confusion = Satan is the author of the bible.
You'll never know what you really believe until your belief is put through the fire. We're all going to find out where our faith is in this life.
Amen brother Festus very well said.
yup. i sometimes debate with "moral" athiests and wonder if theyll hold onto their free-floating morality grounded only in themself, or if theyll violate it because of their desires or do it to avoid pain. Very likely the latter.
At least the true Bible-based Christian has an objective solid unchanging morality to STAND on.
I can smell it.
Amen 🙏🏻🙏🏻
affliction produces endurance,
and endurance, proven character,
and proven character, hope,
and hope does not disappoint,
because the love of God has been poured out into our hearts
through the Holy Spirit that has been given to us.
Job is also an example for us. He did not blaspheme against God like his wife did, and did not mischaracterised God like his friends did. He did not understand why God allowed for his suffering to occur, but he accepted it because he loved Him. And God did reward him for this love. Also now we do know why Job had to suffer - it was in order for book of Job to be made in the first place. Giving an example of faithful love to God to all of us.
Technically he did blaspheme God. Remember when he said "God has given and God has taken away"? That was blasphemy. satan, not God, had taken away what was Job's. Attributing the works of satan to God is blasphemy.
Actually... his buddies didn't understand (or rather warped) God's view so He scolded them. As for Job, he complained about God to those three buddies for several chapters until God was like, "Bruh, you wanna manage the universe in My place? I know what's good for you; trust Me."
I was going to say, because Job had fear, wouldn't that open a door for Satan? Because if we just say fear of God means we just take whatever God does to us as His will, isn't God the same yesterday, today, and forever! And Jesus healed everyone, and the will of God is that everyone be healed, same as salvation is always the will of God, then technically Jesus died on cross for our sins (salvation) Aka. Already done... Jesus took stripes for our physical healing (sickness/disease) Aka already done. Does it not mean all we have to do is decide to believe and recieve, rather salvation or healing, rather than suffer and say its the fear of God why we accept a sickness? Especially when clearly the new covenant exclaims we are not partakers of any curse, as Christ became a curse for us???
@@lilchristuten7568great point
@@lilchristuten7568 “God has given and God has taken away” isn’t blaspheme. Everything goes through God. So God may not have directly “taken away”, but he allowed it. So it’s not blasphemy
Please pray for me and my children. I trust in God and keep faith even as I struggle to take care of my children and myself. As a single mother things are so hard on me. Both of my sons are autistic I’m overwhelmed. God please hear my prayers. I’m constantly struggling to buy groceries and constantly struggling to pay rent and now that I’m home schooling my sons I’m struggling. God hear my prayers.
He hears you ❤
we pray! god guide you in this time
Please God give her strength to get through this struggle.
I pray to God in the mighty name of his Son Lord Jesus Christ and through the power of the HolySpirit
I gained a whole new dimensional perspective on questions such as this through Dr. Michael Heiser's teaching on the divine council...Sons of God, as found in passages such as Deuteronomy 32.
Don't miss Deuteronomy 32.18 where God/El (the phallus) calls himself "the rock that begat thee".
@@harveywabbit9541
Well...actually, I was referring to Deuteronomy 32:8-9 wherein the Lord allots territories to the people when he divides them by language, then scatters them throughout the Earth, giving rise to the various territories which became the nations..as told in Genesis 11. Here we see that when He divided the Earth, He assigned the various Sons of God...the Divine Council...as individual authorities over these people-groups/nations, and the Lord takes Israel (Jacob) as His portion.
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_"When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,_
_when he divided mankind,_
_he fixed the borders of the peoples_
_according to the number of the sons of God._
_But the LORD’s portion is his people,_
_Jacob his allotted heritage."_
*DEUTERONOMY 32:8-9*
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_"Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there. And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. And the LORD said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth. And from there the LORD dispersed them over the face of all the earth."_
*GENESIS 11:1-9*
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Dr. Heiser goes into much greater detail than I've obviously done here, as he references other places throughout scripture where the Divine Council is referenced. For example, we find a reference in *DANIEL chapter 10,* wherein Daniel prays to God and 21 days later an angel comes to him in response. The angel explains to him that he was detained for 21 days by _"the prince of the kingdom of Persia."_ This is not a reference to a human prince, but rather he is referring to one of these Sons of God, spiritual authorities...who in this instance was over Persia (the human authority being Cyrus). He goes on to explain to Daniel that he was only able to break through to Daniel because he was assisted by _Michael, one of the chief princes_ (obviously a greater power than the prince of Persia). He then goes on to say in *verse 20,*
_"But now I will return to fight against the prince of Persia; and when I go out, behold, the prince of Greece will come."_
_The prince of Greece_ being yet another spiritual authority, but from the territory of Greece.
The Apostle Paul also makes reference to these spiritual beings, along with spiritual beings of lesser authority under the princes, as found in *EPHESIANS 6:12...*
_"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."_
These beings are in rebellion against God, nevertheless, they are by then already defeated and awaiting the time of their judgment as we see in *COLOSSIANS 2:15...*
_"He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him."_ ("him" meaning of course, Jesus Christ).
An excellent way of getting an overview of everything is by watching Dr. Heiser's excellent movie *THE UNSEEN REALM* which is hosted by Corbin Bernsen. It's available on UA-cam.
Lucifer (now satan) had it all in Heaven...beauty, leader of the worship, surrounded by the beautiful things God had created & yet all of that wasn't enough for him, he wanted to be god himself & fell because of his pride. Then along came Job a man created lowly from the dust of the earth. God had blessed Job & put a hedge of protection around him so satan couldn't touch him. satan desired this blessed man of God to fall to nothing & to curse God & be sent into hell. But even after everything was taken from Job...his family & his health he still refused to reject or curse God.
So this was a learning experience for satan to see that even a lowly human created from dust can & did continue to worship & trust GOD no matter what. A very humbling experience & something satan should have done in Heaven instead of being full of pride.
Also a learning experience of how we all should act toward God, to remain humble & to THANK GOD for all He has done for us & all He has given us. GOD IS GOOD!
Now that’s a lie from the pit of hell.
@@BrunoGonzales-yv9vuAre you from the pit of hell?
@@BrunoGonzales-yv9vu can't handle the truth? Tell me what exactly is a lie from my comment. I spoke nothing but the truth from the very word of GOD.
@@billybob-ro6qf, Colossians 2:8, see to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and EMPTY DECEIT, ACCORDING TO HUMAN TRADITION,ACCORDING TO THE ELEMENTAL SPIRITS OF THE WORLD, and not according to Christ. All you gave was your idea and imagination on what you think happened in the book of Job, a false interpretation to be exact. Let’s see what the Lord says,2 Corinthians 10:5, take and destroy every sophisticated argument and every exalted and proud thing that sets itself up against the true knowledge of God and take every thought and purpose captive to the obedience of Christ. You vain men repeat the same old nonsense calling satan( Lucifer) when that is no where in all the scriptures of the Bible. Go to the book of Isaiah chapter 14 and you will see that it is the king of Babylon that this title is given to. Lucifer in the Hebrew meaning heylel- morning star. In fact what are the very words of the Lord Jesus Christ,John 8:44, satan was a murderer and liar from the beginning. How did God create satan? God explains to us in Genesis 3:1, now the serpent was subtil and cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. The Lord even tells that when He saw ALL THAT HE HAD MADE, that it was good. Read your scriptures neighbor and repent of your regurgitated lies.
@@billybob-ro6qf, what truth? You have no truth, except the lies that you and the rest of the religions of christianity have been regurgitating in not knowing who Isaiah 14 is talking about. But let’s take a look at how the Lord Jesus Christ described your father the devil.John 8:44, you are of your father the devil, and you carry out his desires. He was a murderer and liar from the beginning. Repent of your lies.
Isaiah 55:8-9 CSB
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not my ways." This is the LORD's declaration. [9] "For as heaven is higher than earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Satan was proud and thought he'd win. Twice the pride, double the fall.
Like atheists think. Same place.
The devil's a liar, so you know I ain't worried.
@@The_Hulkster the new progressive philosophy permits people to give into their temptation to become their "authentic self" the polar opposite of what the Bible teaches us . Very destructive
@@oreally8605 I've never met an atheist who denied God because he never personally saw Him but also denied he has functioning brain cells because he's never personally seen them either.
Stabbed by their own logic.
You can see images of brain cells online and in books.
I think the story of Job is one of the most profound demonstration of suffering. Job was considered a Righteous man. God went to the extent of "betting with Satan". That's how much he trusted Job, yet he allowed Satan to touch him:but not his soul. Job gets ridden with sores and what not. His wife says curse God and die. His friends says maybe you really did sin against God. Job grew tired, impatient and lost it. God comes in the chapter 38 of the book not to answer to Job why he allowed that to happen to him. But to show Job his power, who he is and what he stands for. Asked Job that who is man to question me. When I was laying down the foundation of the earth where were you?. In my personal opinion. What I get from that passage is that whether we live or die, suffer or prosper, God is still God. He doesn't owe us anything especially when in times of challenges we approach him with indignation in our throat behind our prayers. God will be God regardless of my circumstances. I'll trust him too regardless.
And the comforting thing about the fact of His sovereignty is the grace of His mercy and love
"He doesn't owe us anything" and the more we (humanity) get to the understanding that WE owe God! Out of the womb, indebted to God and yet He is merciful enough to provide a way out which most reject! "Born a Sinner", in need of redemption!
Thank God for Jesus!
Amen amen amen. God is God no matter the circumstances. Amen amen amen
Where in all the book of Job does it say that God bet satan? Delusional people and their vain imaginations.
@@mannabschannel The God of the Bible is evil
Glad there are conversations like this!!
Thank you CE
It’s great to have Frank cut right to the heart of supposedly biblical quandaries brought by individuals. Oh that we might know the Word of God like that & answer questions in love & humility.
Wonderful topic and responses
Well said! Praise God!!
Let me help you out. The book of Job is about blind obedience to an Authoritarian figure. For some unknown reason this all knowing entity felt the need to prove to Satan that no matter how much pain and suffering you inflict on Gods follower he will remain loyal. God did the same to Abraham when he made him sacrifice his own child just to prove his loyalty. This is not a loving God, this is a jealous God that requires you both love and fear it. You are his servant (Slave) and you might be tested like Job, you might have your children killed but don't worry they will be replaced by new children (like your previous children mean nothing). PS What did the children do to deserve death?
Brilliant answer frank.
That was awesome❤
Am I the only one here who thinks Frank didn't answer the Job part of the question?
That would have been interesting to hear. Even if the guy asking got what he was looking for.
you're not the only one.. the guest ordered coffee, frank gave him coke and cigar😅
Give you a taste and goes off the rails😂
Great video
That is a great LOADED question!
sadly the speaker didnt answer it clear and straight
@@anotherearth8142What do you mean? How did you come to that conclusion?
This is the Book I started reading this morning.
Me too!
@@thedailypractice Let me help you out. The book of Job is about blind obedience to an Authoritarian figure. For some unknown reason this all knowing entity felt the need to prove to Satan that no matter how much pain and suffering you inflict on Gods follower he will remain loyal. God did the same to Abraham when he made him sacrifice his own child just to prove his loyalty. This is not a loving God, this is a jealous God that requires you both love and fear it. You are his servant (Slave) and you might be tested like Job, you might have your children killed but don't worry they will be replaced by new children (like your previous children mean nothing). PS What did the children do to deserve death?
The book refutes both the retribution principle and the prosperity gospel. It is not about the problem of pain, pain is un avoidable, if we are to have agency ourselves and the ability to repent. The book of Job is about the problem of Sheol. Pay attention to how Job speaks of Sheol. Remember, this is pre Christ and even before most Hebrew prophets. At this point, it is believed that all go to Sheol. Finally, wrestle with the text for three years and you’ll start to figure it out. Good luck. P. S. Behemoth and Leviathan are zoomorphic chaos monsters, not hippopotamuses or crocodiles or dinosaurs.
@@michaelmartin3122 wrestle with the text for three years? It's not complicated. It's about testing blind obedience to an authoritarian monster.
Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
well said sir!!! You should become a preacher if you are not one yet!!! people need to hear this
Let me help you out. The book of Job is about blind obedience to an Authoritarian figure. For some unknown reason this all knowing entity felt the need to prove to Satan that no matter how much pain and suffering you inflict on Gods follower he will remain loyal. God did the same to Abraham when he made him sacrifice his own child just to prove his loyalty. This is not a loving God, this is a jealous God that requires you both love and fear it. You are his servant (Slave) and you might be tested like Job, you might have your children killed but don't worry they will be replaced by new children (like your previous children mean nothing). PS What did the children do to deserve death?
Frank I think this one of your best
Let me help you out. The book of Job is about blind obedience to an Authoritarian figure. For some unknown reason this all knowing entity felt the need to prove to Satan that no matter how much pain and suffering you inflict on Gods follower he will remain loyal. God did the same to Abraham when he made him sacrifice his own child just to prove his loyalty. This is not a loving God, this is a jealous God that requires you both love and fear it. You are his servant (Slave) and you might be tested like Job, you might have your children killed but don't worry they will be replaced by new children (like your previous children mean nothing). PS What did the children do to deserve death?
Then you just may be... not smart
@@mattslater2603 sorry it’s too complicated that you can’t understand and it don’t make sense. You really should try to understand. Your eternity depends on it
The main reason it was allowed is for us. I mean, the countless lives that has been touched by that story. When God do the molding and forming in us, the new man, we have this story to fall back on as an example of how we should view God even in dire times. I know this story was crucial for me when I went through struggles....
#5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?
I can understand growing through struggles or hard times. But this is the most evil creature in the universe. God could just kill him. Why doesn't he?
@@macmac1022The forbidden tree wasn't evil in and of itself. Initially, Adam and Eve were in the presence of God and his Spirit was with them 24/7 guiding their every step: their thoughts, their actions. They were free to think on their own but the Holy Spirit guarded their minds from evil and veiled their minds so that they couldn't even see their nakedness.
Now when the tempter came, he gave them the ultimate choice between submitting their will completely to God or having absolute freedom to make their own choices whether good or bad. Unsurprisingly, they chose the latter and for that, God withdrew his Spirit, but not entirely. In fact, throughout the generations, God has been restraining us from our wickedness and sending disaster both as punishment and damage control. And so we all to some degree obey God's word often without knowing it.
It's not the sinner that God has a problem with, (we all sin and he chastises us for it), rather, it's the unrepentant. We're finite creatures prone to making mistakes, taking dangerous shortcuts, having our own way even at the expense of others, which is why we need his help. Pastor David Hernandez would say that God cannot fill a person who is already full of himself. The only way God can help us to avail our hearts and minds to him. I can personally testify to this. Only in Christ can a man be made perfect. Glory to God!
@@mattr.1887He is the father of sin but not the author of all sin.
What exactly does that mean?
Franks discourses are brilliant in this segment. I learned a lot.
He explained nothing about the story of Job
Amen and Amen
I am not even joking this was a blessing, I am in an argument and I just saw your video about recantation, and I loved it. But I need your wisdom and help, can you please debunk or reveal the truth about spiritism, my parents follow that doctrine and it just isn’t right and twisted the Word Of God but my dad is old and wise and was a Christian and he knows about the Bible a bit better than me because I haven’t read it all. Thank you so much God Bless
Jesus IS the WORD ❤
Most of us is familiar with this deal coming from book of Job but just a reminder that even during time of Jesus life here- it was refreshed to us through Peter. Luke 22:31
So it could mean, imho- one of Satan’s role (maybe many) in this world is to accuse and bring pain/suffering but the most important takeaway is despite that fact- there’s a higher authority that can says yes or no. That sovereignty alone, makes me feel so secured no matter what happens to me.
This is a good question that I have often pondered, basically why would God stoop down to that level and take on Satan in this way. It is simply the way that it reads that is rather confusing, and it makes it seem like God and Satan are a couple of school kids making a bet with each other, and meanwhile, poor Job has no idea what's coming his way! but it makes sense when Frank explains that it's from an observational perspective and it's put to us in a way that we can understand.
JESUS IS GOD ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Correct, he is Jupiter.
@harvey
Repent. God is not some planet. He is THE ONE WHO MADE THE PLANETS.
Well, for a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job, read the novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Enjoy the breakthroughs!
@@robertburke9920
Job aka Earth, was pestered by the moon buzzing around him. His three daughters were the three seasons of winter, spring, and summer. Same as the three sons of Noah (Earth), and Terah (Earth).
Job is my favorite book in the Bible!!!
I appreciate the question, although I probably would have framed it by asking “why would God even entertain the devil’s behavior, since he has the power to completely obliterate him if he wanted?”
That answer is found in how God uses Satan’s evil deeds for good purposes. Satan takes good things and twists them to evil ends, but God can just as easily take Satan’s evil deeds and turn them into good outcomes. Why would God entertain or tolerate Satan’s deeds? For His own purposes and glory.
Satan has shown up in heaven multiple times. The book of Revelation suggests he's up there a lot. While he has an appointed time of wrath, it's not yet, and he's not God's biggest problem. He's not a problem at all, really. For us, maybe but not for God.
God does in the end. The Lake of Fire awaits Lucifer and his angels and humans that reject Jesus Christ for their sins.
God created satan for a reason, he is the exact opposite of God, he serve as a choice for everyone and he got a job to do.
@@andrevisser7542 What is crazy is that even Lucifer had an opportunity to remain on God's side before he made the decision to rebel. That was 100% his own path, but God did not make Lucifer do anything.
Life is hard and unfair; but that is Life
.. clean room - with cleaner of rooms .. delicious food - with cook of food .. beautiful systems in bodies / beautiful glorious ecosystems / beautiful amazing Universe for thousands of years - with or without Creator?? ❤✝
and that is also LIFE
I love it when these so-called smart people have no answer for a basic question
How true that is Satan will never change proving he will not repent of the sins he is lost and guilty of.
Good one!
I felt the story of Job is more God speaking to us the reader because we all go through hardships like Job and ask why us? God is personally showing us the fruits of being faithful as well as recognizing his faithfulness and sovereignty as well. The world can take away our personal belongings, our family, our health, but never our faith in God
Sounds like an abusive parent
God knew Job's problem but nobody else did. Job had a huge case of self righteousness. When a high functioning person can obey all the rules, they can start believing they have all the solutions and are not the problem.
Hmm, yes well said.
No Job wasn't self-righteous which is why he made daily sacrifices before God. Job knew God was the one blessing him daily & his family. Which is why the first thing satan destroyed was Job's animals so he could no longer make sacrifices unto God.
Thankyou.
The second part of the question is harder because by including Job in the mix I thought it was really asking: Does God need to "allow" Jesus to confront Satan?
Sometimes for pea brains like me, understanding how the Trinity operates is like doing nuclear physics.
@@arniekando6846
Job knew enough to stop talking after he was challenged by God with all those questions.
That would indicate he finally understood that he did not have all the answers to life and he wasn't all that happy when all those blessings were taken away.@@billybob-ro6qf
Why would God challenge Satan about a man who is self righteous. Job was not self righteous... Job was infact a New Covenant man who lived well before the Old Covenant times. Later in the book of Ezekiel, we could see God includes Noah & Prophet Daniel in the same category as Job...
There's no misunderstanding what happened in the book of Job. There's no point in explaining. I just find the book very disturbing.
God didn’t allow satan to attack Job, Job did. He said the thing I GREATLY feared has come upon me. God does not reward fear!
Fear is human
@@serendipia7177 365 times in the Bible Father God or Jesus said in one form or other, fear not!
@@randypoe618 fear is an authomatic emotion to control fear it requieres a lot of therapy
Statan stands before God excusing the brethren probably still to this day, why would God give him any presidence? This was allowed for our benefit, it was to give God glory and show us what humility in the Lord was all about, also I'm sure that Statan was miffed when he found out God used this as a means to show us no matter what falls us we are to stay close to him no matter what the circumstances, their is so much more in all of this!
First off, it wasn't a bet the devil had no idea what Job would do. God asked the devil wherehave you been. And he said going to and fro all up and around the Earth, he said. Have you observed my man, job the devil Replied with if you didn't have a hedge around him andwasn't protecting him so well. He'd curse you to your face. God knows the outcome. Absolutely, and Job proved the outcome. And as Frank said, it's a benefit for us. Because we see how to handle evil when its attacking us
Amen brother, God bless you...
@gi169 GOD bless you too brother 🙏
Jesus response were the three things that Eve that failed to do in Eden. Jesus showed to use THE WORD when confronted with evil/sin or temptation.
To show Satan what faith in GOD is and how a person with faith can overcome Satans attacks.
Actually Job was a moralist at first, he does not know that it was all grace from God and not his work that saved him. He only knew when he wanted to die and God "revealed" it to him. It is more difficult for a self righteous person to go to heaven than a sinful man asking for grace and forgiveness. That's what God changed in Job's perspective and is a message to us all Christians.
Thank you, many people miss this part about Job’s story
Job 42:5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
Job having broken silence, and given vent to his grief, his three friends, Eliphaz (the Ram that makes rich = Aries during spring), the Temanite (son of the South), Bildad (wrangler = winter), the Shuhite (son of the pit = winter), and Zopher (a sparrow), the Naamathite (son of the pleasant land = summer), suppose themselves licensed, although not directly addressed by Job, to put in their say-so; each speaking in the order above named, is answered in turn by Job. At the end of the year, let it be remembered, all are present together.
Eliphaz = Spring, begins gently, as if feeling his way, fearing that Job might be grieved; “yet who can withhold his tongue" (4. 2)? Though Job had instructed many, and strengthened them, he would remind him of his own weakness in time of trouble (4.5 5). The upright are not cut off; only they that plough iniquity - get into winter, perish by the blast of the Gods - the autumnal monsoon. None, not even the fierce (hot) lion, can withstand this. "In the visions of the night (winter) when deep sleep, Adam's sleep) falleth on men, a secret (the knowledge of evil) was brought to him, and fear came upon him, insomuch that his hair stood up."
@harvey
Okay, im getting tired of ROASTING your ridiculous hypersymbolism.
Give EVIDENCE for your connections.
how do we know youre right and not just being NONSENSICAL?
3:07 yes we will...
The term "satan" is actually a title, not a name. It means adversary, but it can also be translated as "accuser."
So the satan described in the book of Job could be referring to a loyal angel of God who was sceptical of Job's faith. I guess he was like a prosecutor.
we have to be in tune with God, through the Bible, just as Christ did. thats the point of Satan temptations shown in the Bible, for our benefit
I am a believer, but If there is one single thing, that: as it is, points to G'd acting as a Demiurge in the Bible, it's the story of Job. In G'd 's own words Job did nothing wrong (if I'm not mistaken), yet he lost everything and in such a horrifyingly torturous manner. That story has several messages, but one of them; G'd is infinitely more scary than the devil, and His will is the only thing that matters no matter how wrong or right. He even shows Job this with that vision quest/whatever. Basically He tells Job he doesn't need to be fair or just. At all, because He's the supreme Master of everything.
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I still don't know why God allowed Satan to challenge Job. Because Frank offered no explanation in video titled Why did God allow Satan to challenge Job
he did answer it, it's because it made the story for us to listen to and learn from
I'm not sure if this is correct, but in the OT, Hasatanas aka the accuser is a title, or a job, much like a prosecutor of our days, and was working in Gods court. This is different in the NT.
It's a very good question since the skeptic, who doesn't know the Bible. will claim God is gambling with Job's well being. Frank was 100% right God knew exactly what would happen and was not at all pressured or coerced by Satan to allow Satan to hurt Job.
God wasn't up in heaven crossing his metaphorical fingers hoping Job would prove God right. It's like when we pray...we aren't changing God's mind per se. We are communicating with Him and via that communication God may take one path or another.
Also, something the skeptic missed entirely is two actions of God may be equally moral. God had every right to wipe out Israel when they rebelled, but was also morally right when he sparred them after Moses interceded for them.
It definitely was not a benefit for job’s first children. They got murdered over a bet.
JESUS IS GOD IN THE FLESH
Being aware of when the truth is being twisted is important. Why?
Well to paraphrase a quote regarding medicine:
"The difference between a cure and a poison is often just the dose."
If someone who didn't know how medicine worked looked at the ingredients necessary for a cure and said "Well, I like this part, so I'm going to double this ingredient amount here!", *at best* he'll just be wasting ingredients. In all likelihood, he'll be hurting people instead of helping them.
If you don't know why the ingredients are there for the cure, then any attempt to correct the man who is doing things his own way will run into the problems of ignorance or subjectivity.
The truth should be recognized and understood. When it comes to important matters, you should spend time learning what is true *and why* because a lot of people will try to benefit from people who *don't* know what they believe, or who believe without depth of understanding.
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The cross represents both love *and* justice: law and grace.
An incomplete picture of God's mercy at the cross is an unfaithful witness.
Jesus's love is shown *through* the cross. When the Bible speaks of Jesus's love, note how it refers to the cross, not just to feelings: to the wrath of God against sin that we deserve, and Jesus who - though He knew no sin - took our sin upon Himself that He may pay the wages of sin we were due to pay!
That God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself: He was not just 'dismissing' sin, He was dealing with it. He wasn't just grappling with *any old sin*, but OUR sin. My sin.
You need the whole picture.
"The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful." ~G. K. Chesterton
Something a lot of atheists miss, is that Job gave GOD the permission to try him as well. When I fall on my knees and I pray to GOD asking him to use me for good, I fully consider the possibility of trials to be used as an example to save and inspire others. In Job's case, billions were influenced positively by his story.
I understand why he asks yhe question... That's a tough one for an unbeliever and a believer. Why would God let satan kill his wife and take everything he had to test his faith? What about his family's eternity not just Job's? I think Frank does a good job here.
I don't think you answered that question very well. I think what that young gentleman wanted to know is why God would allow Job's children to be killed, and why does this seem almost like God didn't care? I know He did, but it seems cruel and makes no sense.
Job's seven sons and three daughters are still alive.
If you think its cruel, read the part where Job's blessings increase after his trials.
mabye then youll see the big picture.
@harvey
What?! after CENTURIES? Impossible.
Oh wait, i know! your just being METAPHORICAL again! you are referring to 7 of the 9 planets in our solar system and the 3 musketeers!! LOOOL!
See just how ABSURD your unBiblical ultrasymbolism REALLY is!!
Imagine being one of Job's children. And you find out that it's God's will for you to die, so that your dad can have more kids and learn a theological lesson.
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The seven sons are seven constellations aka Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, and Libra.
In Job 1 God converses with Satan. Was there a witness to this interaction? Who is the author that transcribed this conversation? How did he know what happened and what was said?
WITHIN TRUTH...there was no challenge.
Only to Satan.
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The message of Job is the fact that God is not beholden to His creation. God has the authority to do with His creation what He wills. God prepurposed that Job would be tested by Satan, and in truth, tested by God, and it was done so that everyone who thinks it acceptable to question God will realize that God is not accountable to us. His Law is final, and His decisions will not be denied. Even Pharaoh was not allowed to change his mind in order to release the Hebrews, so that all 10 plagues were completed and the Passover, prophetically depicting Jesus through ceremony, would be established. To be clear, I am not a Calvanist, but I do believe God has the authority to purpose certain people to fulfill His Will.
Wasn’t so much a bet as it was a challenge.
GOD knew Job wouldn’t fold.
If god knew that job wouldn't fold them it's not a challenge is it.
we have Free Will...yet everything is predetermined. Impossible for man to get his head around. Nothing is impossible for God. - I don't think these Biblical stories are to be taken literally much of the time. I think they are myths or parables that point us toward a Higher Truth. Viva Cristo Rey!
Sometimes I feel like that God doesnt have a real enemy.Lucifer is his mere creation who just rebelled and that's not a real enemy for him.
You know what before i didnt trust my dad cauz he was always forcing me to do according to his way whether I like it or not,its just his way and his feelings, cant say nothing. And then I wanted to be religious and seek God and found out exact samething and more confusing.😣
Love the content, but the video editing is getting impossibly distracting.
As much as I love hearing what Frank has to say, and his answers, I have to respectfully disagree with his view on the parable of the talents; yes, it has been taught for so many years that we will be told "well done, good and faithful servant" after we die if we believed, but if we have believed, we have received Jesus in our hearts, his inheritance, therefore the parable of the workers in the vineyard relates to believers as we all get paid the same and the passages where Jesus awards people to what they have done, that is separation from him! We don't want that
So I think the parable of the talents is a parable for living on earth and what happens when you want to be judged by the Law of Moses
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Its for our benefit?
How on earth could the book of Job be written before Moses
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I noticed he didn't answer the question about Job.
Job is the persecuted Earth. The moon buzzing around him drove him nuts.
@@harveywabbit9541 The creator does not owe us explanations. That is first. Second, read the whole chapter and think about it.
@@nickma71, this guy is on another mission, don't know what he is doing here.
Perhaps he answered it differently, he said God allowed it to teach us something which isn't wrong.
There are obviously several reasons we can think of.
he did answer the question, he said it was for US
if God didn't talk to satan or take the bet
the book of Job wouldn't exist and WE wouldn't be able to learn from it
“You’re not even gonna have equality of outcome in heaven!”
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What's that mean?
@@JakeLeidahl he says those words around the 3:08 mark and he follows it up with a reference to a parable told by Jesus
@@luxb6949 ohh got it. Thanks for explaining as I was slow on that one. May Christ be with you
According to Dr.Michael Heiser the satan in Job isn't the devil...it's a job description of an angel that was "working" for God.
In both cases Satan challenged God.
The devil lost both challenges.
Amen.
Why create sin to begin with? Why allow it.
Actually, the difference in equality in Heaven is best described in Matthew 5:19. Those who break the Torah and teach others to do so will be called least in the Kingdom. But those who keep it and teach others to do so will be called great. Messiah said that.
The Messiah aka Mesiah = Son of Jupiter.
The young man's question about the book of Job also applies to the devil; why make a bet with a guy you know is omniscient? The answer Dr. Turek avoids is of course the most obvious one; that the God of the book of Job is not considered to be all-knowing. This was a later theological development. The concept of God is developed throughout the Bible, and even afterwards, when theologians developed ideas to harmonize conflicting accounts. God starts out as one among many gods, the tribal deity of a small Middle Eastern tribe who walks and talks face to face with people, and who needs to test people to find out if they really believe in him.
Jupiter is a learner.
@@harveywabbit9541 You said: _" Jupiter is a learner."_
I am sorry, but I don't understand what that means, or how it is relevant to my comment.
why make a bet? satan is too proud to think clearly. hes so maddened and caught with himself he does ridiculous things to try to attack God's people.
You have to realize satan is insane. God is a logical God, but the devil is utterly illogical.
@hans
He is a hypersymbolist. apparently he thinks all of the Bible is nothing more than a book being a mere metaphor for time, judging by his posts that ive seen, rather than the Divine Revelation that it ACTUALLY is. dont be surprised if he uses 0 logic.
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The bible is a Roman creation.
My question is, if evil can't be before God and entre heaven. How come he allowed Satan to be in his presence?
There are different levels of heaven, satan can't enter the third heaven.
@@andrevisser7542 Where does it say that in the bible?
Before or after the devil rebelled?
@drillyourarguments At the time Satan and God are discussing Job. How can he be before God.
@@markinglese3874, firstly you will see God created the heavens (plural) and the earth.
Paul said this...
2 Corinthians 12:2 KJV
[2] I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
He allowed it because it was his will to defeat Satan of the flesh
If a student tells the teacher that the math solution is wrong and says I have a better idea. Before the teacher could judge whethere the student is wrong or right even thou the tearcher already knows the math solution. The teach would allow the student to show his proof and Only then the teacher could justify whether or not the students solution is indeed right or wrong. Because other students are indeed interested waiting which solution is right.
God allowed satan to prove he is right or else he will be proven wrong. And once that day comes God could justify his Punishment to Satan.
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It isnt the Devil in Job. Ha Satan is “The Satan”, or the opposer/challenger. This is just some member of the divine council that challenged God. The devil wouldnt be allowed in heaven after his explusion
Satan is the winter season as shown in Revelation 9.5. "God" is the other seven signs.
There are different levels of heaven...
@@andrevisser7542
There are seven levels in one myth.
@@harveywabbit9541, whatever makes you happy. Enjoy while you can, time is running out.
Love Frank, but I think he missed the point of the question. What he needed to explain is WHY Job’s life helps us, what about it??
Job is simply a personification of Earth. Earth is blessed with crops during summer and cursed by being barren during winter.
To start with it teaches us to keep our trust in God even when everything go wrong around you.
@harvey
just no. seems like YOU are a personification of CONFUSION, you with your hypersymbolism.
Before Job happened, how did people learn to trust in God?
Why they always illustrate Jesus looking like when he didn't look like that
Stop with all the little edits, made it hard to watch.
They never made a bet btw
What was his question specifically?
His question was about why God even acknowledges Satan. Frank gave a good answer.
@@Rumble225-qe7fy Got ya, thank you for replying.
It wasn't Satan/the devil in Job. It was ha satan (the adversary: ha = the article "the", satan = accuser, opposer). It was a member of the divine council whose job it was to roam the earth and report human activity back to God. Satan wasn't used as a proper name until the New Testament. The Angel of the Lord satans (opposes) Balaam in Numbers 22. Context is key.
God used Job to shut Satan's mouth.
Father knew Jesus would never sin, so why allow the Devil to tempt Him in the desert? He also knew Abraham was truly committed to Him, so why go through all that with him and Isaac?
Therefore, how is that a test if there’s no possibility of failure? Maybe it’s for the times when you, Satan, and others doubt your character, but you’ve already proven yourself.
“For unto whomsoever Much is ‘Given’;
Of him Shall Much be ‘Required’.”
~ JESUS CHRIST ~
(St Luke 12:48)
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It is all part of the story that starts in Genesis 1, everything fit together for a reason.
Jesus in flesh represented fallen Adam, His purpose was to restore what Adam has lost. Jesus was tempted by the same one about the same things that Adam was, Adam believed the lies, Jesus didn't.
The reason why God know what will happen is because He exist outside of time, He can see everything that *happened* even to us it is in the future. Things still have to happen or else it isn't there. Difficult concept for us to understand...
What did Jesus do? Everyone always forgets the fasting bit, he fasted.... we are supposed to fast. Idk, just a thought.
i think satan came because Jesus was fasting and satan wanted him to break the fast
so i don't think that applies in this situation
Yes, and Jesus knew he would come, as part of his preparation he fasted, to give us an example of how we should prepare. We need to fast, prayer without fasting, it's just not the same. By Jesus' example, we can know this.
@@theresponsibility3425 i'm not trying to say we shouldn't fast
idk why Jesus was fasting at the time, maybe it was so the story of satan tempting him could be made idk
but if it wasn't then i don't think him fasting applies since he was already doing it
Would you not suffer temporarily so that millions of others could read your story and be encouraged?
I was trained by God for 6 months, if any of you had this you would not be thinking Frank had the answers, I am now a Holy Man
Job has no connection to any character of the Bible. If you really study verse by verse, it makes no sense and sounds very ridiculous at times. God's actions and decisions are very questionable compared to the rest of the Bible. I know many relate and find comfort in the book of Job but I still find it hard to believe this book.
I love Frank and his talks and debates but he never really answered the question here.
yeah he did, he said it was for us
if God didn't talk to satan or take the bet
the book of Job wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be able to learn from it