How is the Gupta Program Different From DNRS? | Pros & Cons
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2023
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This is my experience with the Gupta Program after going through the DNRS program (and how they compare). Personally, I'm healing from ehlers-danlos syndrome (EDS), dysautonomia / POTS, cervical instability, chiari malformation, and more. Brain rewiring and nervous system regulation have been a HUGE part of my recovery.
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Amazing and incredibly helpful, thank you so much for making this!!!
I’m doing DNRS and it clearly explains the science behind rewiring the brain. I I have a DNRS coach, who has told me in no uncertain terms that there are days when you may not complete your 60 minutes of rounds - - and that’s completely OK. The community forum is also a very valuable resource, where people can ask questions and share their experience. I also participate in a 12 week group on zoom led by someone who has recovered using DNRS, and the group provides much needed support and answers questions about the program, making it all more effective. I don’t have any experience with the Gupta program.
Thank you so much for this, really helpful. It's the first videos of yours I've seen but I hope you are feeling OK.
Thank you for sharing! Love to you!
Of course! Glad it was helpful :)
this was amazing. thank you!
so glad it was helpful!
Thank you! This is very helpful information!
So glad to hear ❤️
I have started with DNRS and I am finding the visualization part to be what's stressing me out, so now I'm looking into Gupta. This is helpful! And I agree with you that it's outdated to demonize red meat, but it's preferable from both a health and environmental perspective if you can get it from regenerative sources....
This is so helpful, thank you Rachael.
So happy to hear that!
This was so freaking helpful!!! Thank you so much for reviewing it
So happy to hear it was helpful!!
I started with Gupta, but I took some tools from dnrs (doing visualizing for 1 hr per day) and started seeing more results when I started being more strict.
So glad you're seeing more improvements. Hoping all the best for you!!
What did you have to be more strict with to see more results?
@@kathy.7475 committing to doing rounds at least an hour each day.
I am unable to do 1 h of visualization per day. Do you think that this is going to hinder my progress?
@@majahorvat7294 Just start where you can & work your way up :) Any effort you can put in will make a difference.
Great job! Thank you for sharing all of that. I love the hardware/software analogy… and at the same time think it’s the corniest thing ever 😂. One thing I would add to the fact that you have everything within you to heal and do the work, is that we also need each other. I haven’t been following you for more than a week so you’ve probably touched upon that at some point. I just discovered “slowing down” the other day and my body was super receptive, unbelievable. Anyways, love you bye
Thank you so much for your comment! I love what you had to add about needing each other :) Support is so important! Glad "slowing down" has been impactful for you as well!!
I did dnrs and then gupta as well. I think that was the best journey for me. I think if I had not done the bootcamp style dnrs thing I would have not persisted (especially since I have aphantasia, I probably would have used that and other reasons to not fully commit.) Conisitency and actively engaging all aspects is what makes it a recovery program and makes the magic happen. When I went to gupta I really understood how the healing works because the bootcamp perfection vibe was actually a sign of danger. So the persistence is important but with a chill/compassionate vibe. The slow motion technique helped me too
How did you manage the Gupta program with aphantasia? Was it possible for you to do the brain retraining?
I started with ANS Rewire program, and it was awesome in explaining everything for me.
So happy to hear that! I may have to go through ANS Rewire as well. :)
Thanks very helpful. I started the Gupta program but I thought I wasn't consistent enough with it. I didn't found the puppet cheesy at all! On the contrary really helpful to visualize my parts. I think it's pretty affordable too regarding other programs. So that's a great point 👌
Don't know the DNRS,so I can't speak for this one. Thanks for sharing this.
So glad it was helpful. ❤️️
Hey Rachael, thank you! I just started DNRS I’m on pillar 3. Its great so far
So happy to hear that. The DNRS program truly changed my life!
how are you feeling now?
@HealingWithRachael did you just pay for the course or did you pay for any extra coaching etc?
How active is the online community? I find with DNRS I rarely get a reply to my questions, and the moderators often edit my posts.
Have you considered Primal Trust? Thoughts about Primal Trust vs Gupta
Thank you such a helpful video. Do you do your own visualisations with the Gupta course or are they recorded visualisations you follow? Thank you
Great explanation. Thank you so much. As for eating red meat, what do you think about the theory that a person feels better eating meat, because you eat the adrenaline thats in the meat, what the animal produced during the whole proces of slaughter?(so its fear based adrenaline). I would really love to know, because i am so so confused about all the different ways of eating.
Thanks for sharing!!! I'm really intrigued but hardly well enough to engage in therapy due to severe ME/CFS, so I probably don't have the capacity to follow a program :(
I think, if you could watch her 10 min video without negative consequences, you could also watch the 10 minute videos of a program. In Gupta they are very calming and also often quite short.
This was very helpful to me. I've recently heard about brain retraining, mostly from people who had chronic fatigue. I don't have chronic fatigue. One training program rejected me from his program, saying that I wasn't qualified for it. I do not have a specific diagnosis for any of the illnesses that these programs list but I do definitely feel I need nervous system regulation. One of the commenters here said that Gupta requires a diagnosis. I don't have a specific diagnosis from an MD. Is this necessary?
I’m doing Gupta and there’s is no diagnosis necessary. My body is experiencing chronic Epstein Barr virus, and it’s not listed , but he says it can help all kinds of symptoms. And it’s totally working.
@@daughteroftheblackmadonna8936 Thank you. This is helpful to me. Glad the program is working for you!
So glad it was helpful! A diagnosis definitely isn't required for brain retraining with Gupta or DNRS :) Hoping all the best for you!
Gupta does have "an hour of power" which is similar to the DNRS hour of brain retraining, it just includes more meditation than DNRS.
Does it have the same healing effects as the DNRS?
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you, totally agree with you about red meat.
Thanks
You look great
Thank you so much!
i just started with Gupta program for Long Covid and i like the tools. A coach helps me to practice and find my limiting beliefs to reprogram.
I feel a lot better after only 2 weeks ( anxiety and Pots improved).
I hope i will be 100% better in a few months/years.
Do you think that add ldn is usefull while doing the program ? Thx
Hi Nicolas, how are you feeling now after taking Gupta? I hope you are better.
Can Gupta help with protracted antidepressant withdrawal symptoms? I can no longer exercise without getting severely ill
Do you live in the Bay Area ? California ?
I'm curious if you have ever tried Somatic Experiencing therapy and how that compares to these programs.
So good thank you! But what I am still not clear is what does the DNRS instead of mediations then to heal? Are those sessions, kind of yoga routines or what is it instead? I’m not a really meditation person (some minutes are ok, but not 1h every day. So I am a bit more for Gupta but hestitate because of the amount of mediation and not knowing what does DNRS instead. Btw Gupta already costs 450 whereas DNRS is still 350). 😢
Does DNRS mostly have you create your own visualizations or does it recommend following their own recorded visualizations?
It seems like it would be difficult to do my own visualization for an hour.
Thanks!
Sometimes i feel like you're the only 100% honest and even-handed reviewer on UA-cam. Thank you. Have you heard of Dr Raouf (Ron) Gharbo? I highly recommend searching his name to find his research papers and podcast interviews - he coaches people through what he calls Autonomic Nervous System Rehabilitation while using heart rate variability tracking and you might find his approach insightful.
I'm so glad you feel that way! Being honest with what I share is really important to me. ❤️️ I haven't heard of Dr. Raouf Gharbo! That sounds very interesting, I'll definitely check it out. I actually have a heart rate variability tracker from when I went to Caring Medical. It's a very interesting metric! He always said it was one of the best markers of overall health. Now it makes sense as it shows the health of your nervous system!
What are your thoughts on primal trust? Do you have an opinion on it to compare?
I've heard really good things about it! I haven't gone through it myself yet, though I plan to :)
Hi Rachel. Thank you for making this video. Would Gupta program be good for somebody who suffers from anxiety, depresion, vestibular migraines, fatigue? Also, can it help somebody with intercystial cystitis, hyperthyroidism in remission and OCD/anxiety? Thank you
Hi :) I am doing the Gupta program and remember people in the facebook group saying that it has helped them with the things you were asking! hope that helps. There was a lady that had migraines from teenage age on and now it has disappeared by simply healing with the program.
Don’t forget if you are age 37/38+, estrogen and progesterone are naturally declining (by menopause they are at zero). These hormones play a role in regulating the autonomic nervous system and immune system, which is why menopause often brings so many disease onsets such as osteoporosis and autoimmunity. The natural decline of these substances has real consequences for our nervous system that should not be discounted. Natural HRT though controversial, actually has a lot of serious benefits including helping the body to regulate these systems, as well as reduce risks for osteoporosis, heart disease, systemic inflammation, and chronic pain.
Is the hour a day just visualization or a combination of methods? Does it have to be all at one time or can the hour be in segments?
So is it $360??
I chose the Gupta program, and the stock videos of people twirling around on mountain tops and the puppets are a bit cheesy. But I’m able to look pass that. Plus I agree with you about the diet part. I also deal with Interstitial Cystitis and many “healthy foods” are super high in oxalates, and combined with no dairy caused me to flare worse than I ever had in my life. Many Epstein Barr recovery diets have u eliminate gluten and dairy, or go vegan. Made me worse. Everyone is so different. So I just ignore the dietary stuff do what has worked for me.
I’m so grateful to you, because it’s through your channel I found the program.😊
So happy to hear you're finding things that help you. ❤️️ I'm cheering you on!
Sounds like you have leaky gut. I have the same problem with healthy foods. Vegan hurts me. I’ve opted for carnivore and GAPS
Just to clarify, do you mean that eating gluten and diary was helpful for your particular body and your healing?
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Yes! A ketogenic, animal based diet is also what Mary Ruddick recommends, and she think lion diet is best for some (for a while): Ribeye, salt and water.
Is DNRS 15 mins, four times a day - or is it 1 hour straight? 🙏🏼
You can do the 15 minute practice rounds all in a row if you’d like, making.m it one hour straight, or split them up!
Can you successfully do any of those 2 programs if you are unable to visualise?
Yes. I am technically not able to truly visualize at all (I see nothing, only black). I do the visualizations by imagining the five senses and talking through them without being able to see them if that makes sense.
thank you!@@HealingWithRachael
For most people, red meat is prepared in less nutritious way, they may not approach it in the same way as you did.
But also I grew up in a sect (the "I AM" Activity) which has lots of Hindu influences, and I grew up eating vegetarian. So Ashok's approach was very familiar to me. I suspect a lot of his dietary recommendations are influenced by ayurvedic medicine. And for me at my sickest, his recommendations were in line with what worked for me. I definitely could not have done a carnivore diet!
Side note: it's Goopta in terms of how the u is pronounced, as noon not run.
I hope you’re doing well with the Gupta program. I was also in the I AM Activity when I was in my twenties.
A lot of us have some form of Autism and/or ADHD that makes your mind never be quiet. How do you slow that down?
I have ASD/ADHD and Primal Trust has helped significantly with certain symptoms that I now realize were actually more nervous system dysregulation than neurodivergence. I'm in an ASD mini-group within Primal Trust and many of them have noticed similar things, so it's not just me. I'll also note that at least half my study group (people that started the program around the same time as me) has ADHD.
Focus is a skill and ADHD can be improved through things like simple meditation, let alone a whole program designed for ANS regulation. Slowing down means focusing on the thing you're doing, and when my mind veers off I keep dragging it back to the task at hand no matter how less interesting it is. I'm actually doing mentally better now almost entirely off adhd meds due to all this work than I was previously at a perfect dose.
TLDR: Regulate the nervous system and many AuDHD symptoms improve.
Thank you so much for sharing that! I can't speak from experience but have heard of many people with autism/ADHD benefiting from brain rewiring and animal-based diets (what we eat wires our brains, too). Hoping all the best for you ❤️️
@@HealingWithRachael Great point that I forgot - I added more (good quality, local when possible) eggs, red meat, raw milk, fermented dairy, organs, whole chickens, and seafood while removing most PUFAs. This also made a difference in my cognition.
Have you any idea what program is best for those with severe childhood trauma?
Honestly I would think Gupta or Primal Trust. I haven’t gone through Primal Trust yet but have heard great things.
I've finished level 1 of Primal Trust and highly recommend it for severe trauma. A lot of my PT buddies have finished level 2 and I'm often amazed at how much wisdom and regulation they've gained from that work. Level 1 is a great base (and contains trauma work) and then level 2 deep-dives more for people that need it.
@@sambbbb thanks for sharing. It's not filled with constant self hugging type videos is it? Placing hand on heart, talking kindly to yourself etc. Because that type of work isn't for me at all. I like gabor mate work but he doesn't hav a course. I did mickel therapy which I enjoyed it's about emotions.
Nothing has had powerful impact in recovery though hence why trying to find something else.
@@davegrahamdj Not constant but there is self-hugging in the somatics module and there is talking to yourself. I don't see how it can be avoided in a comprehensive program.
I would ask what part of you is saying 'that's not for me' and why. The men (I'm assuming from your name) I've met in the program seem to embrace and take it seriously as a part of bottom-up healing. I've seen many argue that just top-down methods can't fully heal trauma, and I'd agree with that.
It makes me feel weird and vulnerable too, but I try to see the point in everything rather than getting wrapped up in all the subliminal discomfort.
That said Cat can be quite new agey at times, talking about heart coherence and such, which I get the feeling you wouldn't like. You might be more comfortable with ANS Rewire or something since it's run by a man?
@@sambbbb I'm not sure exactly. I enjoy working with emotions primary and secondary emotions. I have no issues expressing my emotions including journaling, expressive writing, communication,, somantic tracking body sensations etc John sarno type work. I went from sarno work to dnrs then dnrs to Sara Jackson restore. Both dnrs and restore just isn't for me at all. The talking to yourself, or the Sarah Jackson hugging yourself type videos again not for me I don't know why.
I was looking for a program because John sarno isn't a program it's just books. Dr schubiner has a new program but isn't out yet. Dr schubiner is sarno based work.
My symptoms are trauma based responses. No amount of nervous system regulation has had any impact but working with core emotions has. Working on sarno methods has really helped but I feel like there is something missing and I can't figure out what it is. If that makes sense. Or maybe my brain is trying to find something missing lol
I have daily headache, dizziness, pain, etc. I am so tired of life. Do you think this program could be helpful?
Absolutely. Brain retraining was the most helpful thing for me for those symptoms, by far. Hoping all the best for you!
The thing that has me really concerned is that both websites look almost identical, and both cost $350, as if they're part of the same scam template. Not to mention they both seem to be very aggressive about getting you to buy the full package.
The thing that intrigues me is that there really does seem to be a mental component to these illnesses, and that they advertise holistic, noninvasive treatment.
I've been suffering from Crohn's for about 3 years, and because of that suffering from fibra for about 1. My symptoms started around a super stressful, traumatic point in my life and I've always been a super stressed/negative person, so I think I can see the relation. I've thusfar gotten a lot more relief for my pain and indigestion from the holistic docs/medicine I've been partaking in than the establishment docs that have been shilling pharma garbage that just makes things worse.
I'm interested to see if these symptoms will stop through these brain retraining methods, but they're long commitments and somewhat pricey. Any input would be appreciated. Do you recommend anything in a similar vein that's free?
Similarly, how exactly did you get in contact with them that they take your name as a promo code?
Gupta stresses that the illnesses are absolutely real, and not in our heads. He says this repeatedly. The idea is to get our bodies out of the fight or flight mode and into rest and digest so it can heal
Thanks for your comment. I can see where you're coming from, but neither DNRS or Gupta is a scam-they even offer money back if people aren't happy with the programs. The programs themselves aren't claiming to heal people from chronic illness, but rather give tools to help to regulate the nervous system so that our bodies can heal themselves. These concepts are not commonly taught/known so that's why these courses can be so beneficial for those with chronic illness. They are very comprehensive and well done, and in my opinion priced very affordably for the benefit most people gain from what they learn.
That being said, I wouldn't recommend Gupta/DNRS to people who aren't willing to put in the effort required. It's hard work to do brain retraining, but so worth it.
It makes me sad that just because they have to charge money for the course, people would assume it to be a scam. The people that created these programs likely spent years developing them and deserve to make a living. A single doctors appointment can cost more than one of these programs do. And what I learned from the DNRS program quite literally was the best money I have spent on my health.
You're right, I am now an affiliate with the program, meaning I may make a small commission if someone purchases the program through one of my links. But I was sharing about it long before I became an affiliate. ❤️️ This is just a small way to help me continue creating lots of free content. I would never promote/share about something that I didn't believe in-and will continue to be honest about pros/cons about these sorts of programs.
Truly wishing you all the best!
I came here via 2 remarkable feminist writers, one of whom has used both of these programs and achieved full remission from MECFS.
I hope you can take this young women at face value rather than seeing scam markers.
I don't like long form promotions either, believe me - try to think of the promotion as a product of folks paid to sell things, rather than as a reflection of the teacher's avarice.
She does a great job of identifying the differences- which for me at least has helped me decide which I want to try.
Be well!
Try them. You will never know unless you try them for yourself. They are not scams. This is where your negative perception of things and people won’t help
you can find many free mindfulness programs. There is a Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction that has a bunch of clinical research, but it is not too dissimilar to other types of mindfulness training. I am appreciating Nerva Gut-directed hypnotherapy which is about as effective as FODMAP diets and also emerged out of Monash University. Progressive relaxation works for many as well.
Do you know of any program specifically designed to calm the nervous system for kids-for anxiety (not any physical illness)?
That’s a great question. Personally I don’t know of any specific programs for kids, and will look into it as now I’m curious myself. These are some examples of things I’ve heard from friends that have children & work on nervous system regulation with them: reducing overstimulating shows, connection with nature, somatic practices (sarah jackson coaching is a great resource for this), minimizing processed foods & sugar, minimizing blue light exposure, reducing extracurricular activities if they are causing stress, etc. Obviously I can’t speak from experience but I think it would be great if more resources for children and youth were available. 😊
I think Cathleen King (of Primal Trust) is in the process of creating a kid's program.
that’s awesome!!
Look at Brain Harmony out of safety harbor Florida. They work wonders for me as an adult but I was the exception; they usually work w kids
Anyone done Dr Joe Dispenza's program and either Gupta or DNRS? If so what are your thoughts? Thanks 🙏🏻
I JUST started dnrs but have been doing dr. Joe's work for a few years. Both compliment each other
Dispenza’s stuff for me is better as his meditations can be just followed and the visualisation of the future self are just integrated through my day. Gupta does a great job explaining the neurophysiology but is incredibly cheesy and boring. Obsession with diet is also not needed and problematic. The DNRS creator from the get go has been overly secretive about their system and used to charge $1200 for the video course so I am not a fan and there is so much now available there is no need for that. I also really like HMR and fasterEFt, not regular eft. Kinda obsessed with mind body and nervous system regulation now. Oh and somatic drawing…good too. Had MCS for over 20 years and many other chronic pain issues. I am 99% cured. Occasional small flare ups but mostly good as gold. It did take me a long time. Really it comes down to engendering feelings of safety, reminding yourself nothing is actually wrong with you, just an overactive whatever it is and rehearsing it all. I find it much better to integrate it through the day than to consciously try to do exercises for an hour.
@@atelier27 thanks for your reply. Pleased to hear how far you have come.
Are you familiar with Primal Trust and Smart Body Smart Mind? Both utilize somatics. The safety piece is key.
@@robster7012 Just heard about these recently and will check them out now. Thanks so much!
@@robster7012 I have heard of smart body smart mind before. I had just forgotten about it. I like the interviews with the founder but I will never pay $2000.00 for an online “group” course. (That is a post advanced follow up cost with Joe dispenza live and in person for 3 consecutive days, meals included, just for comparison:) So much of this is available for free or at least affordable. I am so glad to be living in these times!
The Primal Trust seems very interesting. While I think obsessing about diet etc makes things worse I acknowledge that getting the inflammation down in my body (for me this was supplements, I won’t say which because everyone is different when it comes to them) more than diet. I already didn’t eat sugar, processed etc and nothing changed until supplements. Then I could exercise and meditate and more. We have a mind/body and a body/mind for sure. I am just careful to bring it up cause many with these types of issues go nuts with their anti-candida, vegan, carnivore etc diets. I think primal trust taps into a lot of Kriya yoga techniques. The best guy to look at on that is Forrest Knutson (UA-camr). It is often far easier to use your physiology to change your mental state than the other way around. Cheers.
DNRS didn’t work for me.
I've found with my mold illness that I get in a hurry or my thoughts begin to race when I've eaten foods I'm allergic to or have been in a moldy environment. SAMe helps my mind to slow down. My best brain retraining happens when I read my Bible!