"toning down the harshness of negative reviews". Please don't. If there are issues with game performance then it needs to be said. God knows noone else seems to tell us viewers about them
That question was honestly shocking. Yes I am fully aware that there are real human beings behind the making of these games and that the industry is struggling in many ways currently. But at the end of the day I am the consumer and if I am paying $70 then I expect a certain standard of quality from what I receive. It is ridiculous to wave away every single issue with "but the developers work hard and have it rough!" as a blanket excuse. I am tired of this sentiment and I think it is actually backfiring and detracting from the urgency of the issues that developers face. It is frankly difficult to take developer struggles seriously these days with how often this excuse is used.
It is insane to me this happens in a combat centric hack n slash game with a slow pace of movement. In fighting games if a game performs poorly and dips under 60, no one takes it seriously. That’s why the FGC largely dumped the PS3. I don’t know why hack ‘n’ slash players are not the same way.
A similar issue is very much present in the headphones space as well where manufacturers expect the users to do their work for them. As an example, Audeze expects us, the users to completely tune the headphones (LCD i4 in this case - $$) to make them sound as good as their price commands. It is ridiculous.
And you can't even play Elden Ring on PC using a ps controller because the game doesn't support it natively. You have to use ds4windows and disable anti-cheat to mod in button prompts so that it matches your input. People have weird parasocial relationship with Fromsoft/Tencent.
That’s really the worst way to approach this subject, their games are everything but overpriced, this dlc contain more content than the majority of AAA games yet is sold for 40€.
I swear the From fanbase are the ones keeping the bar so low. The technical issues go way back. Like why can't we have both gameplay and polish, especially now they're making good money. CDPR is a good example of a studio that kept investing in itself and expanding its scope. Fromsoftware could learn a thing or two from them
I legitimately think any legitimate video game analyst should not let a game with such technical issues even be nominated or considered for a Game of the Year award. The way Elden Ring came out and remained broken in some aspects fundamentally should have disqualified it from consideration.
@@ni9274 girl, how much is FromSoft paying you? Stop defending a corporation. Fine, the other aspects of the game are great, but this is DF, and they talk about technical stuff. I rly liked Jedi Survivor even tho it gave me major headaches playing it last year but I don’t defend its problematic performance. You can like a game and also criticize it for its shortcomings. We pay full price for AAA games so we should expect technical performance that just works.
But the internet told me that Elden Ring is the greatest game ever. And before anyone says that the gameplay is great but the performance is bad....I'll add that bad performance affects the gameplay...constant stuttering or consistently dropping frames in a game where reaction time is super important is nightmare fuel waiting to happen.
More on the developer than publisher. The publisher just funds the game, makes it available to purchase and market the game, (and maybe they also translate the games to other languages).
@@gothpunkboy89 So do I and from my own personal experience, Elden Ring is one of the most overhyped games because people who love FromSoft games will never admit there is a problem with games that are never truly graphically demanding but always have some sort of performance issue and this is across multiple games, multiple platforms and multiple configurations of PC. Until the FromSoft stans demand better, or at the very least hold them to the same standards as they do every other type of game in the market, we continue to get games like Elden Ring which have addictive gameplay loops which can be a bit unplayable at times because the performance is so hit or miss. And judging from Elden Ring and other games from FromSoft.....it is alot of misses!
Whoever told Alex to not be so harsh about Elden Rings PC performance because they find the game fun should just keep their opinion to themself. Fun is subjective performance isn’t and AAA games releasing with poor performance on PC needs to stop. They’re charging too much for this to be acceptable
Fun is subjective. Performance is subjective as well. It is why you can get people who say 30 fps is unplayable. You can also get people who say 60 fps is unplayable. You can even find people who say 120 fps is unplayable.
@@gothpunkboy89Thats a good point but the big issue is that we aren’t getting what we were advertised when we bought our hardware. By we I mean literally everyone. Remember how much they pushed 4k 120fps when talking about the ps5 and series x? Obviously it wasnt going to be applied to EVERY game, but we can barely scrape by 4k 30 ( or even 1080p 30 in cases like DD2). Now imagine buying a $1k-$2k graphics card that is supposed to destroy every game and then you can barely run a game past 60? Anyone would be pissed, and im saying this as someone who runs a 3060. No one is getting what they paid for.
@@gothpunkboy89 Your reply is a prefect example of why nuance is so important. Fun is subjective because there are no objective measures for it. How difficulty, art style etc. are perceived is highly individual. Performance is objective. How you perceive it is not. But performance itself can be measured objectively. Metrics like frame rate and frame time are technical measures independent of any individuals perception. So again: No, performance is not subjective. Performance can be judged objectively and games should be criticized if one of the very few objective metrics by which we can review them is in a bad state.
@@gothpunkboy89a locked 30/60/120 are all playable, but an objectively stuttery game should not be acceptable. a lot of people might not notice, but a lot of people will, because the problem is objectively present
Let's recap on Elden Ring on the DLC release: Console: 1) fps is just unstable in every mode despite the reality that, literally all they'd have to do is scale back whatever it is they are using for upscaling & maybe cut back on some foliage 2) poorly optimized RT (this is consistent across the board) that eviscerates console performance 3) so stuttery overall that certain people justify using the ps4 version on ps5 PC: 1) no way to manipulate framerate caps or go above 60fps 2) janky-ass RT implementation that can look good in certain areas for a huge fps hit, and then in others do almost nothing except AO for no or almost no FPS hit 3) absolutely zero upscaling capability in spite of the janky RT that just eviscerates performance on all but the absolute top-tier GPUs 4) weird freezes on certain hardware (maybe all hardware, who knows, but I've noticed it & Alex points it out as well on diff specs) And all of this nearly 2 1/2 years after release with a near full-price DLC release and we're all supposed to just say nothing because FromSoft is your boyfriend? They aren't even trying, man. I'm sorry I have to tell you, but you are in an abusive relationship. Maybe if you did stand up for yourself things might get better... I'm so not surprised this is the response to serious crticism of anything FromSoft touches at this point. Like, it's hilarious at this point, this isn't even talking about the freaking gameplay and people still feel the need to white-knight for something that is literally observable objective reality that can be represented with data... Nobody is saying you aren't allowed to enjoy the game and because it's a juttery mess you should hate the game... They're observing how it performs on various hardware & reporting on it, as people expect them to. Both Capcom & Team Ninja/Koei Tecmo can patch their janky in-house engine releases after the fact (Dragons Dogma 2 & Wo Long) to include features from this decade and fix optimization, but FromSoft can't? We just have to accept this because it's FromSoft? It's 100% legitimate to ask 'why not' because frankly there isn't a clear answer except perhaps 'because everyone will forgive them anyway', which is sad and worse for everyone. I like FromSoft games, that's why it sucks so much every time I play Elden Ring and think, "man, this experience could be so much better if they just gave one small fraction of a fuck"
I agree 100%. It’s embarrassing selling 25 million copies and not doing the bare minimum to make the experience better for others. Upscaling is not hard to implement.
RT shadows gives little to no improvement in ER's visual or on any game at all.. why even bother turning it on. This is just fromsoft saying "we can do RT too guys.. look!".
The fact that elden ring launched with those stuttering issues at all is pretty inexcusable, but now that we're 2 years after the fact with a new expansion where they invested none of their resources in fixing as the guys said low hanging fruit is just insulting quite frankly. I don't even dislike elden ring, but honestly its technical state should damage its rep alot more than it does.
It's goes soooooo far back with From Soft. Just inexcusable how people have just ignored disgusting performance for absolutely no reason at all. Those writing the story and those optimising are not even the same. Blue Point proved that a Souls game can look mind boggingly good and still have a rock solid 60fps, even with a visual setting to increase Tesselation. From Soft simply hasn't produced anything close to that technological/technical lvl to excuse their terrible optimisation over the decades. Inexcusable, and how they always get away with this, I have no idea. Game of the yr contender but with a 60fps mode that runs at 30-mid 40s in the p4 era, or this rubbish with ER in the P5/Series era. Used to think way back then playing DS1 that definitely, people will call them to order with their perf issues seeing how popular the games would easily get, but that's just dwindled into pure shock seeing them always getting away with this abject laziness, as the decade rolled by. If they want another Blue Point lvl studio remaking their games yrs later, they might as well have a banner saying that outside their buildings.
I played Forza Horizon 4 only via game pass and bought some DLCs later. A couple of days ago MS offered me a key for the game itself (for free) in order to not lose the ability to play my bought DLCs.
Your critique wasn't harsh it was on point it was a reflection of the product but when you're an industry darling fans will come at you in order to support the product. All simply because they liked it so should you. I've seen this play out with devices software Etc name it 1:11:46
I feel like people just can't stand the cognitive dissonance, that arises when you really like something and still try to recognize its flaws. Asking someone else to tone down their criticism is a bit of a weird way of coping with it. I guess most of us have been this way about something or someone at some point in our lives. It's often very easy to see, when it happens to others, but probably pretty hard to realize, when it happens to oneself. At least without the benefit of hindsight. Anyways, y'all have yourself a great afternoon.
Capcom Vancouver died after Dead Rising 4 flopped. They lasted a year to make the PS4 update for the game, and a bad mobile Puzzle Fighter game. DR2 was on MT Framework but Inafune was working on that game. For DR3 and 4, they were using something internal called Forge Engine I think.
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
I don't understand why the Fromsoft bootlickers have to comment on you guys doing your jobs. Alex was harsh, but rightfully so. It's insane how Capcom is fixing DD2, which released after Elden Ring, while Fromsoft does nothing to improve the technical side. They are not a small indie company. We shouldn't defend corporations. All the money and sales they have made, should be invested to improve the experience for their players. We are paying for the game, so expectations are not unreasonable for the money. I am glad you guys are vocal about these issues, since too many people are in denial, and can't seem to seperate the technical side from the content side.
Digital foundry techbro subuhumans are deeply pathetic, lmao. They should invest their money in making good and fun games and paying their devs. So they are investing in the right places.
"since too many people are in denial, and can't seem to seperate the technical side from the content side." That goes both ways though. People advocating for reviewers to give it downright bad scores because of technical issues are doing the same thing the other way.
Fromsoft players have something fundamentally broken in their brains that makes them obsess about Fromsoft games that exploit and coddle that need. So they get very defensive because they're addicts. Also I liked Fromsoft back when they made cool games, like Armored Core, and I like actual hard games, like older MH titles or Returnal, so this isn't coming from a place of spite for the company or frustration at the games. It's the players I hate.
« the money they made should be invested to improve the experience of the players » I’m convinced that if you did a poll to ask Fromsoft fans (or anyone who bought and played a fromsoft game) if they wanted FromSoftware to invest money on fixing performance or just making more content you would get a vast majority choosing more content. We have seen people defending the 30 fps caps for Bloodborne saying it’s part of the atmosphere and 60fps is superfluous, the reason Fromsoft doesn’t improve performance is that their fans never complained about it.
I am sorry Elden Ring sold over 10mil in the first few weeks and over 25mil to this day. With over 5mil expansions sold. They have no excuse about resources not fixing the game
Just torrent the game and seed it out of spite (I did) then post the links to From Softwares email and twitter account. They can't do shit about torrents and I made that a point directed to them. LOL
Because now people replace one parasocial (with people) with another parasocial (with entertainment), but they don't realise that its still parasocial.
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
Because they lack a distinct personality, their brands/the media they consume are their “personality” or worse “family” and thus they take any criticism of those brands personally. It’s usually people who desperately need to touch grass and form some real interpersonal relationships.
I'm a huge Bethesda fan, loved how they made their games during the period from Morrowind to Skyrim basically not Fallout 4/76 People always say the engine is bad, holding BGS back. I always defended it saying the engine isnt bad. Its Bethesda that cant upgrade it properly thats bad. If the same bugs exist then its because Bethesda didnt spend time fixing it. Game doesnt run well, its bgs fault for not optimizing the game properly
@@imo098765 well, it's Bethesda's engine, they made it like that and refuse to spend the needed time to fix it, because the time and money needed to fix it would be too high, so they don't. They could switch to Unreal Engine for their next game, it'd be cheaper and faster than fixing their old engine and there'd be nothing but benefits in the end, but they don't want to because they'd rather not do anything.
48:30 - specifically on the price of Forza Horizon 4, the Ultimate edition with all meaningful DLC is on deep sale on Steam (15 USD before sales tax / 17 GBP after it), and Microsoft have also announced it will go on deep sale on the Xbox and Microsoft stores from 14th July. So they are both deeply discounting, and telling us what date that's coming. The game is very very worth picking up at those prices.
The Hot Wheels Legend DLC is also still available through online retailers like Wal____ and New___-would grab it NOW if anyone wants it, as that was the only expansion/DLC not available in the Ultimate Edition. (I wrote those retailer names weird so I don’t get flagged for spam by UA-cam.)
The bigger issue here is that they could just pay more for licensing. Their priorities are clearly out of order. Both Sony & Xbox do this. Sony's generally last for just about 2 yrs longer than Xbox/Microsoft, but a certain company by the name EA can release racing games, and have licenses last for up to 15yrs in best case. At least a decade in recent time, pretty much. That's one whole console gen and then some, or 2 whole generations in best case. Microsoft could just care and spend more. EA did this even when they still had a yearly game release cycle. Instead here it's just "look, lots of cars"; gets delisted 4 yrs later. FH3 & FM7 got delisted after 4 yrs, which is still wiiiiiiild to me 💀. They needed to be hounded down for that, but that never happened. For whatever reason they managed to get away with 4yrs life cycle Racing Games...my goodness. Horizon 1 even had a 2 yr life cycle before delisting; Honestly disgusting, and the fh1 servers lated 9 yrs. FH4 is the first one above 4 yrs, which makes it the first time they match what Sony did with Driveclub & GT Sport. Better, but should still be much better. Ubisoft did 10yrs with The Crew 1, but that's always online, so once server shutdown later this yr, it's over over. Good lifecycle, but always online games should live for even longer imo.
Alex. You're 100% correct in your response to the "alleged" industry guy who complained about your "harshness" when reviewing FROM Softs games. What a tool... And I don't normally agree with everything Alex say's. So good on you buddy. I'm on your side on this one for sure!
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
@@boommush4403That's really annoying, specially since Intel mentions in their CMAA2 paper that both work well together and even show examples. I sent them an email during the beta mentioning it but looks like no one cared :/
yeah, and it tanks the performance like crazy, and doesn't really smoothen the game that much. In CS2 a lot of detail is in alpha tested textures and shiny materials with normal maps, which both don't get touched by MSAA. which further proves why MSAA had to be replaced by modern temporal techniques in most games and engines.
It's a shame they don't let you combine MSAA with CMAA2 together since the Intel CMAA2 documentation states that they intentionally made CMAA2 in such a way that it could be integrated/combined with MSAA and that 4x MSAA + CMAA2 in their testing produced better results than 8x MSAA at a much cheaper rendering cost.
WICCA - What a terrible take. Lol. Imagine being an apologized for a huge company taking advantage of its customers, shipping half broken games while raking in millions and millions of $$$. But take it easy on them, won’t somebody please think of the millionaires. My god. Alex was spot on with his criticisms of FROM. I wish he was harsher.
100% they deserve it. The technical incompetence is absolutely intentional at this point. We've been dealing with garbage pc versions of their games for what, 15 years?
Additionally, is DF doing journalism or not? Because to me it is one of the few gaming publications with extremely high editorial standards (again, my opinion). If they pull punches, in spite of the evidence-based assessments they conduct in order to reach a conclusion, it's no longer journalism.
I winced when they asked him to be nicer... he pointed out objective problems, literally, problems ALL of us see and want him to tone it down how asinine
From Software fans tend to be rabid and delusional. Any criticism is not justified according to them. Won't someone think of the poor indie devs who made millions from one of the biggest games of this decade.
1:10:20 The question from Wicca I have some massive issues with. Firstly about the layoffs in terms of the state of the industry, Miyazaki has made it very clear they are not laying off staff at From, if anything they are looking at growth but not massive expansion. Secondly there is nothing more immersion breaking than trash frame rates, massive stutters, the game paugin then speeding back up so I completely disagree with the point that From focus on immersion as a well performing game is fundamental to this. As Alex mentioned basic stuff like say fps above 60fps was modded into the game, this mod literally came out within hours of the base games launch and has not been officially supported, that is just pure incompetence to not be done in 2 years. Same for UW support, FoV, getting the game to 60fps on consoles. And anyone who's played the DLC to the end will know how terrible the performance issues can be, i went from 120fps to 29fps during a boss attack. The base game was £50 the DLC was £35, base game has sold over 25 million copies and the DLC has already sold over 5 million. From do not get a pass for making a "fun game" they are one of the worst in the AAA space for technical quality, they need to use that money to hire competent staff. Heck even paying the modders to add basic features that took them a couple hours of work would be a improvement. Japanese devs always get a pass from the community when compared to the likes of EA and Ubisoft, this needs to stop, they are selling product it should be better.
It drives me up the wall! It is very common for people to use the "wow but the gameplay is so good" excuse. I loved Elden Ring, but I can never say it was a 10/10 game, and bad performance was one, but not the only reason, I'd dock some points from it.
I think when it comes to the way Capcom does 'remasters' -- if it's just the old game but with minor updates they call it "HD". Here with Dead Rising they are calling it "Remastered" because of updating the assets but the game has the same structure. And then they call something a remake when it's a "reimagining" of the project.
It doesn't make sense and shouldn't be the industry standard. Capcom has released "Dead Rising HD" even though the original Dead Rising for Xbox 360 was already HD.
Like it should, the term remaster should be used for releases that are enhancements to the existing game. Kind of a directors cut or Blu-ray version of a DVD movie. Meanwhile a remake is what John Said, a full remake of the game as the word implies.
Thank you for being upfront about your criticism on bigger game studios not taking performance seriously. Gamers become so blindly loyal, that they will defend problems until the end of time. Because they “personally” didn’t care about poor optimization. Also, they seem to forget it’s another persons opinion, and they aren’t required to watch it, or agree with it.
"Wicca" managed to say one of the most intellectually void things I've ever seen, thank you for this opportunity to witness... whatever that statement was.
Not harsh criticism AT ALL. Fromsoftware themselves have shown they can do high refresh rates with Armoured Core 6. And then you have Lies of P, just kicking From's ASS in terms of optimization and settings options (not to mention it is arguably on par with fromsoft gameplay wise too, and looks beautiful!)! I love Fromsoftware, but I'm not going easy on them just because they are the gaming community's darling. NO ONE is above being called out on their own BS. (Loving Elden Ring DLC, but I'm HATING the shite camera, bad 3rd person camera control should NOT be an issue in 2024 for $70 😡)
I played the PS4 Pro version of Elden Ring on PS5 on a LG G3 65” TV and OMG it looks and runs amazing!. I only notice the low grass density when playing which wasn’t a deal breaker. I suppose the PS5 Pro will run the PS5 version with no issues. At least there’s an option. Still, kind of ridiculous on FROM SOFTWARE’s part. OPTIMIZE MF!!! Lol
Can`t believe someone sent a complaint about DF pointing out From Software's poor optimization while charging $70, and that person did not even feel embarrassed by doing this.
In regards to FromSoftware. Subjective fondness doesn't excuse objective technical issues. The games gets enough worship for something that to me looks old and janky. People are just emotional creatures who will put up with a lot of shit if they like something. If more people complained, they would fix it. It really undermines the value of my opinion if people tell me I'm being "dramatic over performance issues" and just have to "enjoy the game." Sorry if my eyes are superior to yours and major stutters and the game dropping to 0 fps doesn't break your immersion and impact your enjoyment. "It looks cool" is an extremely shallow reason to excuse fundamental technical issues with one of the most successful games of all time. The fact this is even a debate or conversation is very disappointing
The game cant even hit 60 fps consistently lol. I don’t have a problem with 60 fps cap if it fucking works. Do you think the only issue this game has is that it’s 60 fps? I don’t understand your point. Do you know what objective means? The stutters and performance problems arise at any arbitrary fps
Dont tone down the harshness on the technical issues. The technical issues are utterly unacceptable. Indie devs are able to polish their games to the extreme. See Rimworld, Factorio, Prison Architect and Xenonauts 1 and 2, and many many more. These big studios pushing out worthless garbage at full retail pricing is complete BS.
1:11:21 The face of a man who just heard the dumbest comment ever. It's comical how fast people turn into subervient drones the minute a company makes something they even remotely enjoyed.
regarding "harshness": if i pay full price i expect full quality. its as simple as that. and if reviewers with their outside look can not only identify the issue but offer solutions (without access to source code and all the debugging options that come with this), then it is not too much to ask that studios put in the effort. in the end this is a management and financial issue. its just greed and believing to get away with it. i guarantee that each of the devs would love to put in the time and effort to make the game run better.
As someone who has worked a bit with Unity the camera stutter issue is really annoying and not well documented/agreed upon on how you should fix it. I find that setting interpolation on the target rigidbody is not enough and does not always fix the problem, and I also would not recommend changing the physics update to 60, because ultimately that will still make physics motion weird at higher frame rates and have a hit to performance. The best solution I have found is to just not parent the camera to the rigidbody object and instead have a small script that places the camera on to an empty camera transform each frame (wherever you need the camera to be relative to player location). All that being said if a rigidbody rotates I found it can STILL cause camera stutter even after all of that so I would lock down rb rotation as well. The amount of tinkering and experimentation I had to do to make this problem go away is ridiculous it should be a one-button fix built in to the camera object by default but hey whatever Unity has other priorities I guess. I am also a total novice at game dev so maybe the pros out there have a simple solution but I haven't found it.
You're pretty much finding out how everyone must address this by writing their own solvers. Keep camera control out of the physics update and don't parent the camera to a physics object directly. Since physics updates at a fixed interval and not at refresh rate it will always have some stutter problems even if interpolation helps bridge the gap slightly. I figure Unity wouldn't "fix" the stutter incurred by parenting the camera to a physics object because that's technically behaving correctly.
@@caseydedoreYes there is nothing for Unity to "fix" besides better developer education resources and examples. If you don't want your camera to update at a locked 50hz, don't update it at 50hz with the other fixed update items.
I agree that these solutions aren’t perfect when frame-rates higher than 60 are needed but given that this is a Switch exclusive, I think the focus should have been exactly on 60. Each game needs to find its own solution, though, that’s for sure
I feel like the more you critic them the better, hopefully one day they will fix everything. But since everyone still buys the games they don't bother trying, they just say people like this name of game and will buy so we don't have to try
These comments defending Elden Ring's technical problems are wild to me. Just vague notions of "fun" and "immersion" and other nonsense that doesn't even attempt to understand the issues. Maybe those people don't notice the performance issues and that's fine, but for people like me who do notice them... When I'm playing a game and constantly noticing the lack of smoothness, the stutters, the technical problems... That breaks any immersion I could have had. Instead of being absorbed in the world I'm constantly reminded that I'm playing a video game that doesn't run properly. I can't have when I'm just thinking "i wish they would fix this already" the entire time I wish these commenters would just be honest and say "I can't notice it so I don't care if it gets fixed" instead of coming up with all that malarkey about why nobody else should have a problem with it either. In particular, what was that crap about "don't mention it until From Software is back on their feet"? When was From Software off their feet, exactly? Utter nonsense.
1:09:50 Okay, insufferable FromSoftware's fanboy detected: your argument is invalid. ... because one thing clearly doesn't excuse the other! Do you have any idea of how much money they make, specifically them? ¬¬
I firmly side with Alex on the basic technical expectations of competence. FromSoft games have been technically poor for a long time, they need to sort it.
While PS2 emulation is a separate thing, the effort and strange choices made for PS1, PS2, PSP emulation have been pretty consistent. I doubt they would go all out for PS3 when they haven't done anything impressive yet in regards to emulation.
Yes, one of the biggest issues is in how emulate the coordination of the CELL PPU over his SPUs, the parallelism required here are on a alien level through the unique architectural instructions.
I think the reason a lot of reviewers don’t mention the technical side in any detail is because DF exists! DF have carved out a niche and become experts/specialists in it. Your average reviewer wouldn’t have known about SGSSAA (I didn’t either)
The fact he had the audacity to even send this question and being a patreon of literal digital foundry he probably doesnt even work on the industry just a fanboy
@@xtr.7662he probably want everything to be sunshine and rainbows everywhere with no issues or criticism at all. Lets be real nobody other than Alex has a bigger platform to call out these devs and companies who put in bad pc ports of games when this been a problem for a decade. People need to be hard on/criticizes in order to get better products of a game. WICCA made himself a meme
That viewer question about Elden ring is completely out of line. The game is NOT FUN when it has such technical issues like constant stuttering! We need this pointed out more often and harsh as possible.
"what do you call just upgrading the resolution or framrate of a game?" we call that a a stock standard game update or patch. A remake or remaster should contain new graphical fidelity and a remake or remastering of previous assets
1:13:57 I have been playing Elden Ring PS4 on PS5 for almost 100 hours (after enduring the horrible performance of the ps5 version even on a LG C3 with VRR) and surprisingly, the more you advance in that version, the more frequents are the fps drops. There are parts in Raya Lucaria and Caria Manor when the FPS drops to almost 30. and i imagine there are even more when reaching to big places like Leyndell Royal Capital.
Reminds me of Skyrim on PS3. Every time you saved the game your framerate would go down a little. People would get to the DLC with 15 FPS average. I really want to try Elden Ring but frame pacing issues really bother me and it sounds like it's an ISSUE on EVERY platform even PC.
@@saturnFIV3 If you're going to let frame pacing put you off playing one of the best things in the medium, I dunno what to tell you. I mean, don't get me wrong, having standards is good, but there's a lot of incredible games buried behind middling performance.
Man the Elden Ring and FromSoftware fanboys are nuts!! Specially the one saying that FromSoftware made a "sensible" take on the DLC given the cost of making videogames,and the effort needed to create openworld games. So, this people... do they have an explanation on why do Unlock FPS mods and several stuttering-fix mods released exist? How are they explaining that a guy/girl on his/her tiny little computer can upload, on his/her free time, a mod that fixes a big ammount of crap from Elden Ring all by themselves and FREE? Let me repeat this: ONE PERSON, mods the game on his/her own, without official modtools, and fixes it FOR FREE. What are you talking about money, costs and layoffs? Pretty sure these fanboys have not even tried it. And also, What about preservation? Is it not better to have a proper game running, fully fixed, and be able to play it... let's say, 10 years in the future, with freedom to use any resolution or framerate that may be common in that future without the need to use fixes to remove stupid black bars or relocate the hud? I get it, you like the game. But don't make a religion out of it... geez. What is wrong, is wrong. No matter how you really like it, it is still wrong. And if it's fixeable (like it's been demonstrated by modder) it should be. FromSoftware is a company, and you are a client. They're not your family, nor your friends, and as a client, you should ask for the best product that your money can buy.
Bear in mind we are NOT always playing the final shipped build when testing features. QA do. But developers mainly run at much lower framerates due to debug builds.
The logic of "X industry is struggling so lets lower our expectations" is so hilarious to me. Like, if the dollar for each consumer is getting stretched thinner then they are going to be more picky about where they spend their money. Being dishonestly "nice" to a developer doesn't do anything besides stroke their egos. If there is fair criticism, it should be levied, for the benefit of all involved.
Honest written articles are not very common anymore, they don't wanna lose access to review codes, in general people do not trust gaming journalists/reviews/marketing anymore, this is why UA-cam videos and streamers are doing so well, people would rather watch somebody playing a game before dumping a lot of money on one game when a lot of these "gaming" web sites and more interested on pushing a social agenda instead of just focusing on the actual games, IGN included.
I would recommend the following mods to anyone who plays Elden Ring on the PC, but you have to play offline. - Unlock the frame rate - DLSS Super Resolution (DLSS, FSR3, XeSS) - Disable sharpening filters - Remove chromatic aberration [optional] - Remove vignette [optional] - Improved ray tracing shadows (fix softness issue) [optional] I have no problems with these mods as I can play with an open frame limit without V-Sync. The only downside is that I have to play in windowed mode, otherwise the open frames don't work. Then I no longer have HDR, so I use the Nvidia filter from the Nvidia app (beta) RTX HDR, HDR looks fantastic. Actually, all settings should be in the game, it's a shame that From Software doesn't provide us with the standard options here.
How can a person 'working in the industry' not see that making a solid, locked 60 fps on consoles in Elden Ring would not require any amount of money nor human ressources is beyond me.
Still being worked on as the latest pc patch notes stated but it runs better than at launch for sure. Lot of QoL with the storage in latest patch too... Wish they added a higher difficulty to the game tho NG+ is kinda dull being so OP.
The QoL improvements are nice as far as equipping from storage now. Just got to unmoored world and I hate artificial time limits I just want to find all the damn seeker tokens in peace.
It needs an entire balance overhaul, everyone is talking about performance but the game is broken in all kinds of ways, unbalanced to the point depending on what class you play the game is either mindlessly click to win (magic archer) or literally unplayable (trickster). The big enemies are also harmless and stagger constantly just from you sneezing at them. Crowd control in general makes enemies just not do anything. The game is not worth replaying until a total rework, I'm not sure if that'll come from Capcom or modders who I personally know are working on this.
@@khululyp there are already difficulty mods, but they are quite simple, and don't address the underlying balance issues, so you can still break the game just as well and all you're doing by cranking the enemy stats higher is making it so that the bad classes are even worse. Still if you just want NG+ scaling there are mods.
I just wanna shoutout Alex's tip from the Elden Ring video about forcing V-Sync off through NVCP. That has made ER actually playable for me on this G-SYNC monitor after years of struggling with the games performance and the mental toll it took on me. So thank you Alex!! Even if the game is still a technical mess, your advice has helped me tremendously!!!
The first dead rising was a really special game. It's one of those ones that had an amazing atmosphere that just sucked you in from the first minute. I really hope the remake does it justice
Direct X 12 is a piece of shit for PC and Xbox games. Ever since DX12 was introduced stutter struggle has been a big issue on PC, not just Unreal Games. The few Vulkan games available have fewer issues and the one AAA game that uses DX 12 and Vulkan, Red Dead Redemption 2, performs much better on Vulkan. ID tech games (Doom and Wolfenstein) are Vulkan only and perform great
15:00 Idk when this was recorded. But from what I’ve seen about the developers of the original re1 pc version it seems to have gotten some improvements if I understood it correctly. I watched the sphere hunter’s video on it.
The elden ring questioner saying "Perhaps you should not be sooo harsh because we feel bad out here given the state of the industry," is a good example of the problem. If I go to a restaurant and order a medium steak, and i get a charred cinder, I should just shut up and eat it because the restaurant has been paying more for steak, and the busboy needs a raise, and the chef is in a shitty mood? Nevermind you paid an arm and a leg for a rare treat, life is hard for us, so fuck you and your harsh words! That's ridiculous... So is the pass people seem to extend to FROM software games that wouldn't be accepted for other studios regarding the fact that Elden Ring STILL runs like shit on PC, after all the money they made they damn well CAN, and SHOULD fix this. They should also be criticized while they don't fix it, just like the slaying EA takes form this outlet for the SAME thing all the time, among others.
The question about getting too technical in reviews is literally your guys' niche when in comes to reviews, for the love of goodness keep deep diving all the technicals of every review! Keep up the good work!
AF isn't a zero cost effect. It costs more to go from AF x8 to AF x16 in Warframe than it does to go from WQHD to UHD. Please stop spreading this misconception.
Bad practice is bad practice, no matter who’s involved. No company is above criticism, even a legend like Id software makes mistakes (though less than many other shooters) the point is still that no developer is above criticism.
Wicca, I’ve gotten game purchases refunded because of poor technical performance and I’ve held off on buying games because they play terribly on release. I don’t preorder games anymore. I can’t be the only one either. Developers need to focus more on technical performance. It can only help
it is not. I am currently using it along with ghost of Tsushima and horizon at 1440p quality and the image quality is pretty solid compared to the previous version. Look for examples of gameplay and you will see is a good step forward.
Regarding an Elden Ring viewer statement (Q1): Apologists are just the worst. Takeaway: People exist who believe that because something costs a lot of money, it's okay if it doesn't work right. Connect your own dots. If you're unable to do so... Outrageous follow-up: If a new car is released and 50% of them blow up upon starting, it's okay. They cost a lot to make. Do you know how much money and time it would take to correct these engineering issues? Terms of the day: False Equivalency and Broken Logic. Paraphrasing moment: "Change how you do all of your reviews. The way you review is wrong. It doesn't coincide with my perspective. Fix that. Oh... and thanks for all of your reviews."
> Regarding an Elden Ring viewer statement (Q1): Apologists are just the worst. The more amusing this is how anyone who deals with someone who has a different opinion is instantly called an apologist. I for example just don't care that much about the frame pacing or frame drops because they just don't effect the game all that much. Your death to a boss isn't going to be because of 5 frames dropping. It is because I doge rolled the wrong way or misread an attack and got spanked for it. I like the game, I like the variety of builds and I like the challenge. So I get called an apologist because I'm not raging at something I don't see as a big issue.
@@gothpunkboy89it’s okay that you don’t have a problem with it, but that doesn’t mean that these aren’t objective issues that everyone is dealing with as they play the game. It is apologetic in a way to reply to someone demanding a fix for these issues to say you do not care. Even if you don’t care, surely we can all agree it would be a good thing for this stuff to be fixed, right? At the absolute worst, you don’t notice a difference and those who do will be happier. So shouldn’t we all support those who call for performance fixes in Elden Ring? Or any game for that matter? Like this isn’t a game design decision that people can like or dislike, they’re just performance issues that the game would benefit from not having. There’s not really an argument to be had here beyond “it doesn’t bother me”.
@@paprikayes I said the performance issues where not as big a deal as they where making them out to be. People act like these issues make the game unplayable or will constantly get you wiped by enemies. That isn't true. They then went off on a rant about the game because their FPS counter is more important to them then the actual game play. Better performance is always enjoyed. But is not always nessicary. It is mildly amusing how often people talk about gameplay over visuals. Then you have a developer that embodies that spirit and people are still upset about visuals.
@@gothpunkboy89 I don’t mean to speak for most but I believe when people are referring to gameplay over visuals they are referring to having an issue with the graphics and visual tech introduced in the game taking priority over gameplay. This isn’t really one of those cases, as many people, including me, feel the game is actively worse to *play* as a result of the stuttering. I don’t really find it hypocritical at all for someone to pine for both more gameplay-focused experiences and better running games. It’s really unlikely that person actually cares about their fps counter itself, but rather it’s the easiest way to describe the hitching and performance problems they are experiencing. That’s sort of a bad faith argument to portray them like that. You may not agree that the gameplay is hampered by these problems, and I would also agree that it isn’t going to cause you to die when you otherwise would have survived while fighting a boss in most cases. Regardless of its practical impact on your ability to react to literal attacks, it is an ever present annoyance in the game that is constantly popping up to lessen your enjoyment for those who do actually care about it. Like if every 15 minutes a grating beeping noise went off for a couple seconds when you’re listening to music. It doesn’t really stop you from enjoying the parts where that doesn’t happen, and it won’t stop you from being able to hear the sounds underneath. But it definitely would negatively impact my experience overall.
@@paprikayes > I don’t mean to speak for most but I believe when people are referring to gameplay over visuals they are referring to having an issue with the graphics and visual tech introduced in the game taking priority over gameplay. Graphics and performance are two sides of the same coin for visuals. But people do like to separate connected things so they can complain about one but not another. This stress tests their argument and shows it is wanting. They put visuals over game play. > This isn’t really one of those cases, as many people, including me, feel the game is actively worse to play as a result of the stuttering. And there are people who would say a solid 30 fps is unplayable. And people who would say a solid 60 fps is unplayable. There is always going to be someone complaining about performance because it doesn't reach their arbitrary idea of what proper performance is like. It is why I have such a hard time taking any of these complaints seriously. No one is ever happy. > Regardless of its practical impact on your ability to react to literal attacks, it is an ever present annoyance in the game that is constantly popping up to lessen your enjoyment for those who do actually care about it. And those tend to be the same people who say they can't play a game at 30 fps and even complain about games with 60 fps caps. Even when they run at solid 60fps because it looks stuttery to them. Because to them anything less then 120 is stutters.
i don´t get this critiquing the "harshness" of the critique thing, or maybe i do but only if it´s your first time watching df. i mostly don´t care for minor hiccups or stutters or zoom in artifacts either, but i´m free to ignore that if it doesn´t cross the threshoud were it would bother me, and so is everybody. df isn´t evaluating gameplay it´s mainly objective technical analysis and they bring the receipts. those issue are there wether you like it or not and you can just ignore those and still enjoy the game. most people don´t even notice these things let alone be bothered by it.
I'm not defending fsr being worse but zooming in to a high degree and replaying gameplay slowed down by a significant amount highly distorts the perception everyone will experience at normal viewing distances at higher frame rates. Sitting 2 ft in front of a 4k 48" TV is not what the vast majority of people do (viewers of this channel would be outliers of the larger population). General population are also not going to be so obsessed with looking for discrepancies in visual fidelity as someone with an agenda to document it. I appreciate the work these guys do in terms of analysis, and you can get an objective viewpoint from their findings, but the experience in real life is generally not as overblown if you are just normally playing the game.
No one ever plays a game by zooming in by 200% and playing the game at a quarter of the framerate. The problem with this type of analysis is that is so far removed from how a game looks and performs in normal play that it seems like obsessing over the smallest details that never present themselves in regular play. It's a sign that we are at the point graphically where we are looking for something wrong rather than looking for entertainment and finding something wrong in regular play.
@@alumlovescake It does the job for me on games that don't support Framegen or for my PS2 emulation. As long as you have the 20% GPU overhead, it does have its use cases.
@@alumlovescake Played Alan wake 2 on 3x performance with tearing and it has changed 45fps to kinda laggy observable 80fps with drops. It's a lot easier than fsr3 mod and free. The problem is performance on path tracing games - it cuts fps in half. FSR 3.0 is better for me (mostly because i still have old LukeFZ files), but lossless3x may be better in raster.
@@alumlovescakeI've been using it for games like Deep Rock Galactic and Helldivers 2 to boost fps from 60 to 120. Sitting about 8ft away from my 65" tv. With the boost to 120fps, my 40yr old eyes can't find the artifacts in all the on screen movement. But the visual fluidity is nice. Now 60fps feels juddery by comparison.
The Unity issue isn't something Unity can fix besides better developer education. If developers are telling the camera to only update in the fixed update loop at 50hz then the engine is going to do what the developer is telling it to do. Hacking to game to change it to 60hz won't fix the problem if you are at a higher frame rate. It also wont fix the problem because the fixed update loop may not sync up with the render loop even if both are 60hz.
The biggest issue with FH4 being delisted is there are two expansions for that game, that are really good, that were digital only. So even if you bought it in advance or buy a physical copy, if you haven't bought that digitally, there's no way to experience it.
I think it's better to delist the game than to change the licensed elements for existing owners. Just look at all the GTA games that had songs removed. Even if you bought the games before the changes, you don't have access to the original versions. I would not want them to remove cars and music from my Forza games just so new people can keep buying the game. Should've bought it earlier.
I think you’re slightly misremembering. There were 3 “big” DLCs, 2 of which are still available, through the Ultimate edition. The third one (Hot Wheels Legends) is effectively digitally delisted now, however, you actually can still get it through some online retailers like Walmart and Newegg.
@@thanksbetotap Hot wheels legends is not an expansion, it's just a DLC with some hot wheels cars. But yes it's hideous that they did not place any warning about that DLC before delisitng it.
They already delisted the expansions which sucks. FH4 is the only FH I don’t own (yet), and I was going to buy the expansions… I was so dissapointed in the artificial scarcity of the ultimate edition that I just didn’t end up buying the normal print of FH4 when it was relevant.
As a Unity developer myself, the first thing I do when making a project is to change the physics tick rate. 50Hz is really not fast enough. Unless I'm doing simple non physics game for low end devices, at least 90Hz is needed to have reasonable accuracy
"toning down the harshness of negative reviews". Please don't. If there are issues with game performance then it needs to be said. God knows noone else seems to tell us viewers about them
If they tone it down and stop being totally upfront about these severe issues I won't support DF anymore.
Agreed. You're allowed to say a game is fun and you enjoyed it but you cant just leave the performance alone.
Do you have a timestamp?
@@eightcoresThe first supporter question
That question was honestly shocking. Yes I am fully aware that there are real human beings behind the making of these games and that the industry is struggling in many ways currently. But at the end of the day I am the consumer and if I am paying $70 then I expect a certain standard of quality from what I receive. It is ridiculous to wave away every single issue with "but the developers work hard and have it rough!" as a blanket excuse. I am tired of this sentiment and I think it is actually backfiring and detracting from the urgency of the issues that developers face. It is frankly difficult to take developer struggles seriously these days with how often this excuse is used.
Question for John, if physical is so great, why no Physical Foundry? 🤔🤔🤔
Totally agree with Alex, charging 70 bucks and expecting gamers to put up with a technically poor performing or broken game is ridiculous.
It is insane to me this happens in a combat centric hack n slash game with a slow pace of movement.
In fighting games if a game performs poorly and dips under 60, no one takes it seriously. That’s why the FGC largely dumped the PS3. I don’t know why hack ‘n’ slash players are not the same way.
A similar issue is very much present in the headphones space as well where manufacturers expect the users to do their work for them. As an example, Audeze expects us, the users to completely tune the headphones (LCD i4 in this case - $$) to make them sound as good as their price commands. It is ridiculous.
Tell that to everyone that buys todd Howard games. Y'all wonder why games are like this now then buy every game Todd makes and let's modders finish
I like this more manly Alex. Someone on this show has to be bi. @whatphtoto channel😅
And you can't even play Elden Ring on PC using a ps controller because the game doesn't support it natively. You have to use ds4windows and disable anti-cheat to mod in button prompts so that it matches your input. People have weird parasocial relationship with Fromsoft/Tencent.
From Software isn't above criticism, and we shouldn't pretend that they are because, ultimately, we are paying the price they ask for their product.
That’s really the worst way to approach this subject, their games are everything but overpriced, this dlc contain more content than the majority of AAA games yet is sold for 40€.
@@ni9274 Nobody said it was overpriced, shill.
I swear the From fanbase are the ones keeping the bar so low. The technical issues go way back. Like why can't we have both gameplay and polish, especially now they're making good money. CDPR is a good example of a studio that kept investing in itself and expanding its scope. Fromsoftware could learn a thing or two from them
I legitimately think any legitimate video game analyst should not let a game with such technical issues even be nominated or considered for a Game of the Year award. The way Elden Ring came out and remained broken in some aspects fundamentally should have disqualified it from consideration.
@@ni9274 girl, how much is FromSoft paying you? Stop defending a corporation. Fine, the other aspects of the game are great, but this is DF, and they talk about technical stuff. I rly liked Jedi Survivor even tho it gave me major headaches playing it last year but I don’t defend its problematic performance. You can like a game and also criticize it for its shortcomings. We pay full price for AAA games so we should expect technical performance that just works.
I love how all 3 of them basically just agreed to the fact that Elden Ring issues can be fixed easily, but the publisher just won’t fix it.
But the internet told me that Elden Ring is the greatest game ever. And before anyone says that the gameplay is great but the performance is bad....I'll add that bad performance affects the gameplay...constant stuttering or consistently dropping frames in a game where reaction time is super important is nightmare fuel waiting to happen.
@@corey_massey Less of an issue then you think it would be. First hand experience across multiple FS games on console.
More on the developer than publisher. The publisher just funds the game, makes it available to purchase and market the game, (and maybe they also translate the games to other languages).
@@gothpunkboy89
So do I and from my own personal experience, Elden Ring is one of the most overhyped games because people who love FromSoft games will never admit there is a problem with games that are never truly graphically demanding but always have some sort of performance issue and this is across multiple games, multiple platforms and multiple configurations of PC. Until the FromSoft stans demand better, or at the very least hold them to the same standards as they do every other type of game in the market, we continue to get games like Elden Ring which have addictive gameplay loops which can be a bit unplayable at times because the performance is so hit or miss. And judging from Elden Ring and other games from FromSoft.....it is alot of misses!
Yeah namco bandai definitely doesn't tell Fromsoft what to do. . .
Whoever told Alex to not be so harsh about Elden Rings PC performance because they find the game fun should just keep their opinion to themself. Fun is subjective performance isn’t and AAA games releasing with poor performance on PC needs to stop. They’re charging too much for this to be acceptable
Fun is subjective. Performance is subjective as well. It is why you can get people who say 30 fps is unplayable. You can also get people who say 60 fps is unplayable. You can even find people who say 120 fps is unplayable.
@@gothpunkboy89Thats a good point but the big issue is that we aren’t getting what we were advertised when we bought our hardware. By we I mean literally everyone. Remember how much they pushed 4k 120fps when talking about the ps5 and series x? Obviously it wasnt going to be applied to EVERY game, but we can barely scrape by 4k 30 ( or even 1080p 30 in cases like DD2). Now imagine buying a $1k-$2k graphics card that is supposed to destroy every game and then you can barely run a game past 60? Anyone would be pissed, and im saying this as someone who runs a 3060. No one is getting what they paid for.
@@gothpunkboy89 Your reply is a prefect example of why nuance is so important. Fun is subjective because there are no objective measures for it. How difficulty, art style etc. are perceived is highly individual.
Performance is objective. How you perceive it is not. But performance itself can be measured objectively. Metrics like frame rate and frame time are technical measures independent of any individuals perception.
So again: No, performance is not subjective. Performance can be judged objectively and games should be criticized if one of the very few objective metrics by which we can review them is in a bad state.
@@gothpunkboy89a locked 30/60/120 are all playable, but an objectively stuttery game should not be acceptable.
a lot of people might not notice, but a lot of people will, because the problem is objectively present
@@barely_awake thank you, someone had to🙂
Let's recap on Elden Ring on the DLC release:
Console:
1) fps is just unstable in every mode despite the reality that, literally all they'd have to do is scale back whatever it is they are using for upscaling & maybe cut back on some foliage
2) poorly optimized RT (this is consistent across the board) that eviscerates console performance
3) so stuttery overall that certain people justify using the ps4 version on ps5
PC:
1) no way to manipulate framerate caps or go above 60fps
2) janky-ass RT implementation that can look good in certain areas for a huge fps hit, and then in others do almost nothing except AO for no or almost no FPS hit
3) absolutely zero upscaling capability in spite of the janky RT that just eviscerates performance on all but the absolute top-tier GPUs
4) weird freezes on certain hardware (maybe all hardware, who knows, but I've noticed it & Alex points it out as well on diff specs)
And all of this nearly 2 1/2 years after release with a near full-price DLC release and we're all supposed to just say nothing because FromSoft is your boyfriend? They aren't even trying, man. I'm sorry I have to tell you, but you are in an abusive relationship. Maybe if you did stand up for yourself things might get better...
I'm so not surprised this is the response to serious crticism of anything FromSoft touches at this point. Like, it's hilarious at this point, this isn't even talking about the freaking gameplay and people still feel the need to white-knight for something that is literally observable objective reality that can be represented with data... Nobody is saying you aren't allowed to enjoy the game and because it's a juttery mess you should hate the game... They're observing how it performs on various hardware & reporting on it, as people expect them to.
Both Capcom & Team Ninja/Koei Tecmo can patch their janky in-house engine releases after the fact (Dragons Dogma 2 & Wo Long) to include features from this decade and fix optimization, but FromSoft can't? We just have to accept this because it's FromSoft? It's 100% legitimate to ask 'why not' because frankly there isn't a clear answer except perhaps 'because everyone will forgive them anyway', which is sad and worse for everyone. I like FromSoft games, that's why it sucks so much every time I play Elden Ring and think, "man, this experience could be so much better if they just gave one small fraction of a fuck"
I agree 100%. It’s embarrassing selling 25 million copies and not doing the bare minimum to make the experience better for others. Upscaling is not hard to implement.
RT shadows gives little to no improvement in ER's visual or on any game at all.. why even bother turning it on. This is just fromsoft saying "we can do RT too guys.. look!".
DD2 isn't a soulslike at all. Everything else agreed.
@@FlimKlim "neither on any game at all" is just a plain coping lie ¬¬
Even the PS4 version played on PS5 now drops frames in some fights e.g. Dancing Lion, Bayle, Final Boss, etc.
The fact that elden ring launched with those stuttering issues at all is pretty inexcusable, but now that we're 2 years after the fact with a new expansion where they invested none of their resources in fixing as the guys said low hanging fruit is just insulting quite frankly. I don't even dislike elden ring, but honestly its technical state should damage its rep alot more than it does.
It's goes soooooo far back with From Soft.
Just inexcusable how people have just ignored disgusting performance for absolutely no reason at all. Those writing the story and those optimising are not even the same.
Blue Point proved that a Souls game can look mind boggingly good and still have a rock solid 60fps, even with a visual setting to increase Tesselation.
From Soft simply hasn't produced anything close to that technological/technical lvl to excuse their terrible optimisation over the decades.
Inexcusable, and how they always get away with this, I have no idea. Game of the yr contender but with a 60fps mode that runs at 30-mid 40s in the p4 era, or this rubbish with ER in the P5/Series era.
Used to think way back then playing DS1 that definitely, people will call them to order with their perf issues seeing how popular the games would easily get, but that's just dwindled into pure shock seeing them always getting away with this abject laziness, as the decade rolled by.
If they want another Blue Point lvl studio remaking their games yrs later, they might as well have a banner saying that outside their buildings.
I played Forza Horizon 4 only via game pass and bought some DLCs later.
A couple of days ago MS offered me a key for the game itself (for free) in order to not lose the ability to play my bought DLCs.
Your critique wasn't harsh it was on point it was a reflection of the product but when you're an industry darling fans will come at you in order to support the product. All simply because they liked it so should you. I've seen this play out with devices software Etc name it 1:11:46
Those pitchforks don't sharpen themselves you know! gotta use them often
I feel like people just can't stand the cognitive dissonance, that arises when you really like something and still try to recognize its flaws. Asking someone else to tone down their criticism is a bit of a weird way of coping with it.
I guess most of us have been this way about something or someone at some point in our lives. It's often very easy to see, when it happens to others, but probably pretty hard to realize, when it happens to oneself. At least without the benefit of hindsight.
Anyways, y'all have yourself a great afternoon.
Capcom Vancouver died after Dead Rising 4 flopped. They lasted a year to make the PS4 update for the game, and a bad mobile Puzzle Fighter game. DR2 was on MT Framework but Inafune was working on that game. For DR3 and 4, they were using something internal called Forge Engine I think.
I liked the first three a lot, with some diminishing returns.
DR2 was not MTF. I believe it was an in-house engine they used.
@fluffyquack ah, ok. Digging a bit more it sounds like they used the existing engine from their previous baseball game.
Another Inafume / previous administration failure from Capcom lol. Lot of idiots used to run this company in the ground.
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
I don't understand why the Fromsoft bootlickers have to comment on you guys doing your jobs. Alex was harsh, but rightfully so. It's insane how Capcom is fixing DD2, which released after Elden Ring, while Fromsoft does nothing to improve the technical side. They are not a small indie company. We shouldn't defend corporations. All the money and sales they have made, should be invested to improve the experience for their players. We are paying for the game, so expectations are not unreasonable for the money. I am glad you guys are vocal about these issues, since too many people are in denial, and can't seem to seperate the technical side from the content side.
Digital foundry techbro subuhumans are deeply pathetic, lmao. They should invest their money in making good and fun games and paying their devs. So they are investing in the right places.
"since too many people are in denial, and can't seem to seperate the technical side from the content side."
That goes both ways though. People advocating for reviewers to give it downright bad scores because of technical issues are doing the same thing the other way.
@@steel5897 So, the correct way vs. the incorrect way.
Fromsoft players have something fundamentally broken in their brains that makes them obsess about Fromsoft games that exploit and coddle that need. So they get very defensive because they're addicts.
Also I liked Fromsoft back when they made cool games, like Armored Core, and I like actual hard games, like older MH titles or Returnal, so this isn't coming from a place of spite for the company or frustration at the games. It's the players I hate.
« the money they made should be invested to improve the experience of the players »
I’m convinced that if you did a poll to ask Fromsoft fans (or anyone who bought and played a fromsoft game) if they wanted FromSoftware to invest money on fixing performance or just making more content you would get a vast majority choosing more content.
We have seen people defending the 30 fps caps for Bloodborne saying it’s part of the atmosphere and 60fps is superfluous, the reason Fromsoft doesn’t improve performance is that their fans never complained about it.
I am sorry Elden Ring sold over 10mil in the first few weeks and over 25mil to this day. With over 5mil expansions sold.
They have no excuse about resources not fixing the game
Won't someone think of poor fromsoft rolling around in their money!? Clearly they are too busy to fix it
they just dont care, they patch balancing never performance
Just torrent the game and seed it out of spite (I did) then post the links to From Softwares email and twitter account. They can't do shit about torrents and I made that a point directed to them. LOL
But they're a small indie studio. They can't afford to fix their games😢
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Alex, we call pointy sticks spears 😭
“baton” be for real dude
The villagers will be out chasing him, with those metal poles that have 3 metal spiky bits on the end.
"The game doesn't look as smooth as it should, and this is nuts!"
No Jon, this camera issue in Super Monkey Ball is clearly BANANAS.
Oh god the from software fanboys getting their feelings hurt over a technical analysis is so cringe 😂🤦🏽♂️
They don’t have fanboys. They have disciples. Will follow them anywhere, support anything, and protect the deity at all cost.
@@dewinter1411you really thought you did something lol
so many angry people at the mere mention of criticism directed at From, I just dont get how people can be fans of corporations
Because now people replace one parasocial (with people) with another parasocial (with entertainment), but they don't realise that its still parasocial.
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
Because they lack a distinct personality, their brands/the media they consume are their “personality” or worse “family” and thus they take any criticism of those brands personally. It’s usually people who desperately need to touch grass and form some real interpersonal relationships.
I'm a huge Bethesda fan, loved how they made their games during the period from Morrowind to Skyrim basically not Fallout 4/76
People always say the engine is bad, holding BGS back. I always defended it saying the engine isnt bad. Its Bethesda that cant upgrade it properly thats bad. If the same bugs exist then its because Bethesda didnt spend time fixing it. Game doesnt run well, its bgs fault for not optimizing the game properly
@@imo098765 well, it's Bethesda's engine, they made it like that and refuse to spend the needed time to fix it, because the time and money needed to fix it would be too high, so they don't.
They could switch to Unreal Engine for their next game, it'd be cheaper and faster than fixing their old engine and there'd be nothing but benefits in the end, but they don't want to because they'd rather not do anything.
NEVER tone down being "harsh" because then you make subpar acceptable and common. Boo hoo, Elden Ring devs are lazy.
Definitely not lazy but they need to prioritize performance aswell
48:30 - specifically on the price of Forza Horizon 4, the Ultimate edition with all meaningful DLC is on deep sale on Steam (15 USD before sales tax / 17 GBP after it), and Microsoft have also announced it will go on deep sale on the Xbox and Microsoft stores from 14th July. So they are both deeply discounting, and telling us what date that's coming. The game is very very worth picking up at those prices.
The Hot Wheels Legend DLC is also still available through online retailers like Wal____ and New___-would grab it NOW if anyone wants it, as that was the only expansion/DLC not available in the Ultimate Edition.
(I wrote those retailer names weird so I don’t get flagged for spam by UA-cam.)
@@thanksbetotap It's just a car pack, unlike the Hot Wheels expansions for FH3/5.
@@MBeechingThanks, good point. Just corrected my reply.
Not only that but, for those who purchased the DLC only while playing FH4 on game pass, they are getting free codes for the game.
The bigger issue here is that they could just pay more for licensing. Their priorities are clearly out of order.
Both Sony & Xbox do this.
Sony's generally last for just about 2 yrs longer than Xbox/Microsoft, but a certain company by the name EA can release racing games, and have licenses last for up to 15yrs in best case. At least a decade in recent time, pretty much.
That's one whole console gen and then some, or 2 whole generations in best case.
Microsoft could just care and spend more. EA did this even when they still had a yearly game release cycle.
Instead here it's just "look, lots of cars"; gets delisted 4 yrs later. FH3 & FM7 got delisted after 4 yrs, which is still wiiiiiiild to me 💀. They needed to be hounded down for that, but that never happened. For whatever reason they managed to get away with 4yrs life cycle Racing Games...my goodness. Horizon 1 even had a 2 yr life cycle before delisting; Honestly disgusting, and the fh1 servers lated 9 yrs.
FH4 is the first one above 4 yrs, which makes it the first time they match what Sony did with Driveclub & GT Sport. Better, but should still be much better.
Ubisoft did 10yrs with The Crew 1, but that's always online, so once server shutdown later this yr, it's over over. Good lifecycle, but always online games should live for even longer imo.
Yup, I'm tired to see FromSoft getting pass on the same mistakes they make for years...
I think Capcom called it a Deluxe Remaster just so they can call it DR:DR
Surely DR^2
@@tomkirbygreen could simplify the ratio to 1:1
doctor doctor?
@@SlipknotRevan Duran Duran
Don't play with us; you're modelling the hell out of that t shirt Rich
Alex. You're 100% correct in your response to the "alleged" industry guy who complained about your "harshness" when reviewing FROM Softs games. What a tool... And I don't normally agree with everything Alex say's. So good on you buddy. I'm on your side on this one for sure!
I really appreciate DF speaking out on game preservation. I really wish we could find a way to preserve games.
Counter-Strike 2 does have MSAA
but cs2 could not both enable cmaa2 and msaa
When it comes to PS3 emulation on PS5 couldn't they leverage the Tempest Engine to help? In the PS5 presentation Cerny noted the Tempest Engine is almost identical to the Cell.
@@boommush4403That's really annoying, specially since Intel mentions in their CMAA2 paper that both work well together and even show examples. I sent them an email during the beta mentioning it but looks like no one cared :/
yeah, and it tanks the performance like crazy, and doesn't really smoothen the game that much. In CS2 a lot of detail is in alpha tested textures and shiny materials with normal maps, which both don't get touched by MSAA. which further proves why MSAA had to be replaced by modern temporal techniques in most games and engines.
It's a shame they don't let you combine MSAA with CMAA2 together since the Intel CMAA2 documentation states that they intentionally made CMAA2 in such a way that it could be integrated/combined with MSAA and that 4x MSAA + CMAA2 in their testing produced better results than 8x MSAA at a much cheaper rendering cost.
WICCA - What a terrible take. Lol. Imagine being an apologized for a huge company taking advantage of its customers, shipping half broken games while raking in millions and millions of $$$. But take it easy on them, won’t somebody please think of the millionaires. My god.
Alex was spot on with his criticisms of FROM. I wish he was harsher.
100% they deserve it. The technical incompetence is absolutely intentional at this point. We've been dealing with garbage pc versions of their games for what, 15 years?
Additionally, is DF doing journalism or not? Because to me it is one of the few gaming publications with extremely high editorial standards (again, my opinion).
If they pull punches, in spite of the evidence-based assessments they conduct in order to reach a conclusion, it's no longer journalism.
I winced when they asked him to be nicer... he pointed out objective problems, literally, problems ALL of us see and want him to tone it down how asinine
From Software fans tend to be rabid and delusional. Any criticism is not justified according to them. Won't someone think of the poor indie devs who made millions from one of the biggest games of this decade.
@@ishaansaral502I think it's more majority of Fromsoft fans give 0 fucks about performance.
Nothing quite like a tub of manmilk to get your morning started.
excuse-me, how did you get a WHOLE TUB of man milk?
No diddy
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1:10:20 The question from Wicca I have some massive issues with. Firstly about the layoffs in terms of the state of the industry, Miyazaki has made it very clear they are not laying off staff at From, if anything they are looking at growth but not massive expansion.
Secondly there is nothing more immersion breaking than trash frame rates, massive stutters, the game paugin then speeding back up so I completely disagree with the point that From focus on immersion as a well performing game is fundamental to this.
As Alex mentioned basic stuff like say fps above 60fps was modded into the game, this mod literally came out within hours of the base games launch and has not been officially supported, that is just pure incompetence to not be done in 2 years. Same for UW support, FoV, getting the game to 60fps on consoles.
And anyone who's played the DLC to the end will know how terrible the performance issues can be, i went from 120fps to 29fps during a boss attack.
The base game was £50 the DLC was £35, base game has sold over 25 million copies and the DLC has already sold over 5 million. From do not get a pass for making a "fun game" they are one of the worst in the AAA space for technical quality, they need to use that money to hire competent staff. Heck even paying the modders to add basic features that took them a couple hours of work would be a improvement.
Japanese devs always get a pass from the community when compared to the likes of EA and Ubisoft, this needs to stop, they are selling product it should be better.
It drives me up the wall! It is very common for people to use the "wow but the gameplay is so good" excuse. I loved Elden Ring, but I can never say it was a 10/10 game, and bad performance was one, but not the only reason, I'd dock some points from it.
Wicca spams a bunch of popular talking points like layoffs in order to shame DF into changing their tone, it’s shameful
@@GoodMomo Yea same for Bloodborne. Funnily enough mention that to die hard fans and they'll laugh at you. To them From get a free pass for anything
I think when it comes to the way Capcom does 'remasters' -- if it's just the old game but with minor updates they call it "HD". Here with Dead Rising they are calling it "Remastered" because of updating the assets but the game has the same structure. And then they call something a remake when it's a "reimagining" of the project.
Honestly that makes sense. I think that should be the industry standard.
Think of Kingdom of Hearts HD Remix
@@Jonatan606 good example. They didn't really update the models or anything they just upressed the textures
It doesn't make sense and shouldn't be the industry standard. Capcom has released "Dead Rising HD" even though the original Dead Rising for Xbox 360 was already HD.
Like it should, the term remaster should be used for releases that are enhancements to the existing game. Kind of a directors cut or Blu-ray version of a DVD movie. Meanwhile a remake is what John Said, a full remake of the game as the word implies.
50% of people watching on a PHONE?! Sheesh.
Thank you for being upfront about your criticism on bigger game studios not taking performance seriously. Gamers become so blindly loyal, that they will defend problems until the end of time. Because they “personally” didn’t care about poor optimization. Also, they seem to forget it’s another persons opinion, and they aren’t required to watch it, or agree with it.
"Wicca" managed to say one of the most intellectually void things I've ever seen, thank you for this opportunity to witness... whatever that statement was.
pathetically defensive.
Not harsh criticism AT ALL. Fromsoftware themselves have shown they can do high refresh rates with Armoured Core 6. And then you have Lies of P, just kicking From's ASS in terms of optimization and settings options (not to mention it is arguably on par with fromsoft gameplay wise too, and looks beautiful!)!
I love Fromsoftware, but I'm not going easy on them just because they are the gaming community's darling. NO ONE is above being called out on their own BS. (Loving Elden Ring DLC, but I'm HATING the shite camera, bad 3rd person camera control should NOT be an issue in 2024 for $70 😡)
I played the PS4 Pro version of Elden Ring on PS5 on a LG G3 65” TV and OMG it looks and runs amazing!. I only notice the low grass density when playing which wasn’t a deal breaker. I suppose the PS5 Pro will run the PS5 version with no issues. At least there’s an option. Still, kind of ridiculous on FROM SOFTWARE’s part. OPTIMIZE MF!!! Lol
Can`t believe someone sent a complaint about DF pointing out From Software's poor optimization while charging $70, and that person did not even feel embarrassed by doing this.
Holy moly the Wicca dude sounds like a pro at gawk gawk.
1:11:18 If your game stutter, I won't be immersed at all. Simple as. Alex's tone is absolutely on point.
Hey as long as Capcom has Gone Guru playing when the convicts are driving in the park it’ll be alright in my books.
Great song
In regards to FromSoftware. Subjective fondness doesn't excuse objective technical issues. The games gets enough worship for something that to me looks old and janky. People are just emotional creatures who will put up with a lot of shit if they like something. If more people complained, they would fix it. It really undermines the value of my opinion if people tell me I'm being "dramatic over performance issues" and just have to "enjoy the game." Sorry if my eyes are superior to yours and major stutters and the game dropping to 0 fps doesn't break your immersion and impact your enjoyment. "It looks cool" is an extremely shallow reason to excuse fundamental technical issues with one of the most successful games of all time. The fact this is even a debate or conversation is very disappointing
>Subjective fondness doesn't excuse objective technical issues.
So someone saying 60 fps is unplayable is an objective technical issue?
The game cant even hit 60 fps consistently lol. I don’t have a problem with 60 fps cap if it fucking works. Do you think the only issue this game has is that it’s 60 fps? I don’t understand your point. Do you know what objective means? The stutters and performance problems arise at any arbitrary fps
@@tonebalone607 The opening bit about PC was literally complaining that 60 fps cap is unacceptable.
32:55 fire sticks are a must have when traveling because hotel TVs absolutely suck when it comes to having any apps at all
Dont tone down the harshness on the technical issues. The technical issues are utterly unacceptable.
Indie devs are able to polish their games to the extreme. See Rimworld, Factorio, Prison Architect and Xenonauts 1 and 2, and many many more.
These big studios pushing out worthless garbage at full retail pricing is complete BS.
1:11:21 The face of a man who just heard the dumbest comment ever.
It's comical how fast people turn into subervient drones the minute a company makes something they even remotely enjoyed.
regarding "harshness": if i pay full price i expect full quality. its as simple as that. and if reviewers with their outside look can not only identify the issue but offer solutions (without access to source code and all the debugging options that come with this), then it is not too much to ask that studios put in the effort. in the end this is a management and financial issue. its just greed and believing to get away with it.
i guarantee that each of the devs would love to put in the time and effort to make the game run better.
Global warming effecting Alex's room disproportionately
As someone who has worked a bit with Unity the camera stutter issue is really annoying and not well documented/agreed upon on how you should fix it. I find that setting interpolation on the target rigidbody is not enough and does not always fix the problem, and I also would not recommend changing the physics update to 60, because ultimately that will still make physics motion weird at higher frame rates and have a hit to performance. The best solution I have found is to just not parent the camera to the rigidbody object and instead have a small script that places the camera on to an empty camera transform each frame (wherever you need the camera to be relative to player location). All that being said if a rigidbody rotates I found it can STILL cause camera stutter even after all of that so I would lock down rb rotation as well. The amount of tinkering and experimentation I had to do to make this problem go away is ridiculous it should be a one-button fix built in to the camera object by default but hey whatever Unity has other priorities I guess. I am also a total novice at game dev so maybe the pros out there have a simple solution but I haven't found it.
You're pretty much finding out how everyone must address this by writing their own solvers. Keep camera control out of the physics update and don't parent the camera to a physics object directly. Since physics updates at a fixed interval and not at refresh rate it will always have some stutter problems even if interpolation helps bridge the gap slightly.
I figure Unity wouldn't "fix" the stutter incurred by parenting the camera to a physics object because that's technically behaving correctly.
@@caseydedoreYes there is nothing for Unity to "fix" besides better developer education resources and examples. If you don't want your camera to update at a locked 50hz, don't update it at 50hz with the other fixed update items.
I agree that these solutions aren’t perfect when frame-rates higher than 60 are needed but given that this is a Switch exclusive, I think the focus should have been exactly on 60. Each game needs to find its own solution, though, that’s for sure
1:14:35
i applaud this --- and in fact i did put my hands together --- way to go Alex!
I feel like the more you critic them the better, hopefully one day they will fix everything. But since everyone still buys the games they don't bother trying, they just say people like this name of game and will buy so we don't have to try
These comments defending Elden Ring's technical problems are wild to me. Just vague notions of "fun" and "immersion" and other nonsense that doesn't even attempt to understand the issues.
Maybe those people don't notice the performance issues and that's fine, but for people like me who do notice them... When I'm playing a game and constantly noticing the lack of smoothness, the stutters, the technical problems... That breaks any immersion I could have had. Instead of being absorbed in the world I'm constantly reminded that I'm playing a video game that doesn't run properly. I can't have when I'm just thinking "i wish they would fix this already" the entire time
I wish these commenters would just be honest and say "I can't notice it so I don't care if it gets fixed" instead of coming up with all that malarkey about why nobody else should have a problem with it either. In particular, what was that crap about "don't mention it until From Software is back on their feet"? When was From Software off their feet, exactly? Utter nonsense.
1:09:50 Okay, insufferable FromSoftware's fanboy detected: your argument is invalid.
... because one thing clearly doesn't excuse the other!
Do you have any idea of how much money they make, specifically them? ¬¬
I’m sure Alex would love Elden Ring if it had chicks with sticks in it
I firmly side with Alex on the basic technical expectations of competence. FromSoft games have been technically poor for a long time, they need to sort it.
all digital content should be released to public domain if they are claimed as a tax write-off or unavailable for general sale
While PS2 emulation is a separate thing, the effort and strange choices made for PS1, PS2, PSP emulation have been pretty consistent. I doubt they would go all out for PS3 when they haven't done anything impressive yet in regards to emulation.
Yes, one of the biggest issues is in how emulate the coordination of the CELL PPU over his SPUs, the parallelism required here are on a alien level through the unique architectural instructions.
I think the reason a lot of reviewers don’t mention the technical side in any detail is because DF exists!
DF have carved out a niche and become experts/specialists in it.
Your average reviewer wouldn’t have known about SGSSAA (I didn’t either)
WICCA they about to meme you to death from now to eternity, with your supporter question.
The fact he had the audacity to even send this question and being a patreon of literal digital foundry he probably doesnt even work on the industry just a fanboy
@@xtr.7662he probably want everything to be sunshine and rainbows everywhere with no issues or criticism at all. Lets be real nobody other than Alex has a bigger platform to call out these devs and companies who put in bad pc ports of games when this been a problem for a decade. People need to be hard on/criticizes in order to get better products of a game. WICCA made himself a meme
You cannot play Driveclub from a physical disc. I know because I own one and cannot play it.
That viewer question about Elden ring is completely out of line. The game is NOT FUN when it has such technical issues like constant stuttering! We need this pointed out more often and harsh as possible.
"what do you call just upgrading the resolution or framrate of a game?" we call that a a stock standard game update or patch. A remake or remaster should contain new graphical fidelity and a remake or remastering of previous assets
1:13:57 I have been playing Elden Ring PS4 on PS5 for almost 100 hours (after enduring the horrible performance of the ps5 version even on a LG C3 with VRR) and surprisingly, the more you advance in that version, the more frequents are the fps drops.
There are parts in Raya Lucaria and Caria Manor when the FPS drops to almost 30. and i imagine there are even more when reaching to big places like Leyndell Royal Capital.
Curiously Carian Manor is the worse area in terms of performance for me. In this regard Leyndell is way smoother.
Reminds me of Skyrim on PS3. Every time you saved the game your framerate would go down a little. People would get to the DLC with 15 FPS average.
I really want to try Elden Ring but frame pacing issues really bother me and it sounds like it's an ISSUE on EVERY platform even PC.
@@saturnFIV3 If you're going to let frame pacing put you off playing one of the best things in the medium, I dunno what to tell you. I mean, don't get me wrong, having standards is good, but there's a lot of incredible games buried behind middling performance.
@@Lilbee730 They should just fix the game.
@@saturnFIV3 Frame pacing is less of an issue then people make it out to be.
Man the Elden Ring and FromSoftware fanboys are nuts!! Specially the one saying that FromSoftware made a "sensible" take on the DLC given the cost of making videogames,and the effort needed to create openworld games.
So, this people... do they have an explanation on why do Unlock FPS mods and several stuttering-fix mods released exist? How are they explaining that a guy/girl on his/her tiny little computer can upload, on his/her free time, a mod that fixes a big ammount of crap from Elden Ring all by themselves and FREE? Let me repeat this: ONE PERSON, mods the game on his/her own, without official modtools, and fixes it FOR FREE. What are you talking about money, costs and layoffs? Pretty sure these fanboys have not even tried it.
And also, What about preservation? Is it not better to have a proper game running, fully fixed, and be able to play it... let's say, 10 years in the future, with freedom to use any resolution or framerate that may be common in that future without the need to use fixes to remove stupid black bars or relocate the hud?
I get it, you like the game. But don't make a religion out of it... geez. What is wrong, is wrong. No matter how you really like it, it is still wrong. And if it's fixeable (like it's been demonstrated by modder) it should be. FromSoftware is a company, and you are a client. They're not your family, nor your friends, and as a client, you should ask for the best product that your money can buy.
Bear in mind we are NOT always playing the final shipped build when testing features. QA do. But developers mainly run at much lower framerates due to debug builds.
The logic of "X industry is struggling so lets lower our expectations" is so hilarious to me. Like, if the dollar for each consumer is getting stretched thinner then they are going to be more picky about where they spend their money. Being dishonestly "nice" to a developer doesn't do anything besides stroke their egos. If there is fair criticism, it should be levied, for the benefit of all involved.
I think of beer when I hear Keystone.
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Honest written articles are not very common anymore, they don't wanna lose access to review codes, in general people do not trust gaming journalists/reviews/marketing anymore, this is why UA-cam videos and streamers are doing so well, people would rather watch somebody playing a game before dumping a lot of money on one game when a lot of these "gaming" web sites and more interested on pushing a social agenda instead of just focusing on the actual games, IGN included.
DF is one of the only people to truly be harsh on Fromsoft.
Keep it up. Its the only way they would learn to fix their trash
I would recommend the following mods to anyone who plays Elden Ring on the PC, but you have to play offline.
- Unlock the frame rate
- DLSS Super Resolution (DLSS, FSR3, XeSS)
- Disable sharpening filters
- Remove chromatic aberration [optional]
- Remove vignette [optional]
- Improved ray tracing shadows (fix softness issue) [optional]
I have no problems with these mods as I can play with an open frame limit without V-Sync. The only downside is that I have to play in windowed mode, otherwise the open frames don't work. Then I no longer have HDR, so I use the Nvidia filter from the Nvidia app (beta) RTX HDR, HDR looks fantastic. Actually, all settings should be in the game, it's a shame that From Software doesn't provide us with the standard options here.
How can a person 'working in the industry' not see that making a solid, locked 60 fps on consoles in Elden Ring would not require any amount of money nor human ressources is beyond me.
If devs can’t/won’t do it, allow for advanced settings so we can do it ourselves.
This weeks episode of DF Direct brought to you by: Dickmilch... tastes as good as it sounds. 🤣
Dragon Dogma 2 still needs work
Still being worked on as the latest pc patch notes stated but it runs better than at launch for sure.
Lot of QoL with the storage in latest patch too...
Wish they added a higher difficulty to the game tho NG+ is kinda dull being so OP.
The QoL improvements are nice as far as equipping from storage now. Just got to unmoored world and I hate artificial time limits I just want to find all the damn seeker tokens in peace.
It needs an entire balance overhaul, everyone is talking about performance but the game is broken in all kinds of ways, unbalanced to the point depending on what class you play the game is either mindlessly click to win (magic archer) or literally unplayable (trickster).
The big enemies are also harmless and stagger constantly just from you sneezing at them. Crowd control in general makes enemies just not do anything.
The game is not worth replaying until a total rework, I'm not sure if that'll come from Capcom or modders who I personally know are working on this.
@@khululyp there are already difficulty mods, but they are quite simple, and don't address the underlying balance issues, so you can still break the game just as well and all you're doing by cranking the enemy stats higher is making it so that the bad classes are even worse.
Still if you just want NG+ scaling there are mods.
Can't wait to buy it in an acceptable state 4 months from now when it's on sale along with the DLC coming, Capcom blew that launch so hard
I just wanna shoutout Alex's tip from the Elden Ring video about forcing V-Sync off through NVCP. That has made ER actually playable for me on this G-SYNC monitor after years of struggling with the games performance and the mental toll it took on me. So thank you Alex!! Even if the game is still a technical mess, your advice has helped me tremendously!!!
The first dead rising was a really special game. It's one of those ones that had an amazing atmosphere that just sucked you in from the first minute. I really hope the remake does it justice
Direct X 12 is a piece of shit for PC and Xbox games. Ever since DX12 was introduced stutter struggle has been a big issue on PC, not just Unreal Games. The few Vulkan games available have fewer issues and the one AAA game that uses DX 12 and Vulkan, Red Dead Redemption 2, performs much better on Vulkan. ID tech games (Doom and Wolfenstein) are Vulkan only and perform great
15:00 Idk when this was recorded. But from what I’ve seen about the developers of the original re1 pc version it seems to have gotten some improvements if I understood it correctly. I watched the sphere hunter’s video on it.
Yep. It's legit the og pc port with QOL changes and can run on new hardware
The elden ring questioner saying "Perhaps you should not be sooo harsh because we feel bad out here given the state of the industry," is a good example of the problem. If I go to a restaurant and order a medium steak, and i get a charred cinder, I should just shut up and eat it because the restaurant has been paying more for steak, and the busboy needs a raise, and the chef is in a shitty mood? Nevermind you paid an arm and a leg for a rare treat, life is hard for us, so fuck you and your harsh words! That's ridiculous... So is the pass people seem to extend to FROM software games that wouldn't be accepted for other studios regarding the fact that Elden Ring STILL runs like shit on PC, after all the money they made they damn well CAN, and SHOULD fix this. They should also be criticized while they don't fix it, just like the slaying EA takes form this outlet for the SAME thing all the time, among others.
Holy shit Alex that was one well-phrased reply
The question about getting too technical in reviews is literally your guys' niche when in comes to reviews, for the love of goodness keep deep diving all the technicals of every review! Keep up the good work!
I love Alex's "sick" as a response to the third exclamation mark in Q3
...waiting for the official DF 'Gargoyle DickMix' drink / flask to hit the store any day now...
John’s intro was hilarious! A great start to the week!
Yep, love his humor.
AF isn't a zero cost effect. It costs more to go from AF x8 to AF x16 in Warframe than it does to go from WQHD to UHD. Please stop spreading this misconception.
Capcom Vancouver was shut down in 2018 RIP 😢
Bad practice is bad practice, no matter who’s involved. No company is above criticism, even a legend like Id software makes mistakes (though less than many other shooters) the point is still that no developer is above criticism.
Good Weekly. Alex does know his stuff.. look forward to his video on FSR.
Alex is a megaton beast
Wicca, I’ve gotten game purchases refunded because of poor technical performance and I’ve held off on buying games because they play terribly on release. I don’t preorder games anymore. I can’t be the only one either. Developers need to focus more on technical performance. It can only help
FSR3.1 looks disappointing...
it is not. I am currently using it along with ghost of Tsushima and horizon at 1440p quality and the image quality is pretty solid compared to the previous version. Look for examples of gameplay and you will see is a good step forward.
DD2's performance is still absolutely atrocious. Such a shame for such a mediocre looking title.
We need Dead rising 1 retrospective. that game was so next gen on 360, I couldn't believe it.
The animations are still amazing today
why doesn't Alex get air conditioning in his place? even some small unit I'm sure would help
Regarding an Elden Ring viewer statement (Q1): Apologists are just the worst.
Takeaway: People exist who believe that because something costs a lot of money, it's okay if it doesn't work right. Connect your own dots. If you're unable to do so...
Outrageous follow-up: If a new car is released and 50% of them blow up upon starting, it's okay. They cost a lot to make. Do you know how much money and time it would take to correct these engineering issues?
Terms of the day: False Equivalency and Broken Logic.
Paraphrasing moment: "Change how you do all of your reviews. The way you review is wrong. It doesn't coincide with my perspective. Fix that. Oh... and thanks for all of your reviews."
> Regarding an Elden Ring viewer statement (Q1): Apologists are just the worst.
The more amusing this is how anyone who deals with someone who has a different opinion is instantly called an apologist.
I for example just don't care that much about the frame pacing or frame drops because they just don't effect the game all that much. Your death to a boss isn't going to be because of 5 frames dropping. It is because I doge rolled the wrong way or misread an attack and got spanked for it. I like the game, I like the variety of builds and I like the challenge. So I get called an apologist because I'm not raging at something I don't see as a big issue.
@@gothpunkboy89it’s okay that you don’t have a problem with it, but that doesn’t mean that these aren’t objective issues that everyone is dealing with as they play the game. It is apologetic in a way to reply to someone demanding a fix for these issues to say you do not care. Even if you don’t care, surely we can all agree it would be a good thing for this stuff to be fixed, right? At the absolute worst, you don’t notice a difference and those who do will be happier. So shouldn’t we all support those who call for performance fixes in Elden Ring? Or any game for that matter? Like this isn’t a game design decision that people can like or dislike, they’re just performance issues that the game would benefit from not having. There’s not really an argument to be had here beyond “it doesn’t bother me”.
@@paprikayes I said the performance issues where not as big a deal as they where making them out to be. People act like these issues make the game unplayable or will constantly get you wiped by enemies. That isn't true.
They then went off on a rant about the game because their FPS counter is more important to them then the actual game play.
Better performance is always enjoyed. But is not always nessicary. It is mildly amusing how often people talk about gameplay over visuals. Then you have a developer that embodies that spirit and people are still upset about visuals.
@@gothpunkboy89 I don’t mean to speak for most but I believe when people are referring to gameplay over visuals they are referring to having an issue with the graphics and visual tech introduced in the game taking priority over gameplay.
This isn’t really one of those cases, as many people, including me, feel the game is actively worse to *play* as a result of the stuttering. I don’t really find it hypocritical at all for someone to pine for both more gameplay-focused experiences and better running games. It’s really unlikely that person actually cares about their fps counter itself, but rather it’s the easiest way to describe the hitching and performance problems they are experiencing. That’s sort of a bad faith argument to portray them like that.
You may not agree that the gameplay is hampered by these problems, and I would also agree that it isn’t going to cause you to die when you otherwise would have survived while fighting a boss in most cases. Regardless of its practical impact on your ability to react to literal attacks, it is an ever present annoyance in the game that is constantly popping up to lessen your enjoyment for those who do actually care about it. Like if every 15 minutes a grating beeping noise went off for a couple seconds when you’re listening to music. It doesn’t really stop you from enjoying the parts where that doesn’t happen, and it won’t stop you from being able to hear the sounds underneath. But it definitely would negatively impact my experience overall.
@@paprikayes > I don’t mean to speak for most but I believe when people are referring to gameplay over visuals they are referring to having an issue with the graphics and visual tech introduced in the game taking priority over gameplay.
Graphics and performance are two sides of the same coin for visuals. But people do like to separate connected things so they can complain about one but not another.
This stress tests their argument and shows it is wanting. They put visuals over game play.
> This isn’t really one of those cases, as many people, including me, feel the game is actively worse to play as a result of the stuttering.
And there are people who would say a solid 30 fps is unplayable. And people who would say a solid 60 fps is unplayable. There is always going to be someone complaining about performance because it doesn't reach their arbitrary idea of what proper performance is like.
It is why I have such a hard time taking any of these complaints seriously. No one is ever happy.
> Regardless of its practical impact on your ability to react to literal attacks, it is an ever present annoyance in the game that is constantly popping up to lessen your enjoyment for those who do actually care about it.
And those tend to be the same people who say they can't play a game at 30 fps and even complain about games with 60 fps caps. Even when they run at solid 60fps because it looks stuttery to them. Because to them anything less then 120 is stutters.
i don´t get this critiquing the "harshness" of the critique thing, or maybe i do but only if it´s your first time watching df. i mostly don´t care for minor hiccups or stutters or zoom in artifacts either, but i´m free to ignore that if it doesn´t cross the threshoud were it would bother me, and so is everybody. df isn´t evaluating gameplay it´s mainly objective technical analysis and they bring the receipts. those issue are there wether you like it or not and you can just ignore those and still enjoy the game. most people don´t even notice these things let alone be bothered by it.
John in VR was hilarious
Lol yes, very random. Alex's reaction was great.
@@MrWizardGG your pfp is hilarious p🐱y
The Dickmilch Intro was already too good
Strange that FSR has such a large defense brigade who won't allow zooming in. Like...why?
I'm not defending fsr being worse but zooming in to a high degree and replaying gameplay slowed down by a significant amount highly distorts the perception everyone will experience at normal viewing distances at higher frame rates. Sitting 2 ft in front of a 4k 48" TV is not what the vast majority of people do (viewers of this channel would be outliers of the larger population). General population are also not going to be so obsessed with looking for discrepancies in visual fidelity as someone with an agenda to document it. I appreciate the work these guys do in terms of analysis, and you can get an objective viewpoint from their findings, but the experience in real life is generally not as overblown if you are just normally playing the game.
No one ever plays a game by zooming in by 200% and playing the game at a quarter of the framerate. The problem with this type of analysis is that is so far removed from how a game looks and performs in normal play that it seems like obsessing over the smallest details that never present themselves in regular play. It's a sign that we are at the point graphically where we are looking for something wrong rather than looking for entertainment and finding something wrong in regular play.
Did armour core 6 use a more advsnce form of the engine? It ran qay better than elsen ring and had more features
1:14:27 Excellent response Alex, BRAVO!!!
AMD fanboys are… they are just funny at this point.
Looking forward to the shootout between Lossless Scaling and the other frame gen solutions!
Used lossless 3x on alan 2 pt - it does not like pt. But there are advantages over fsr3 modded.
Lossless scaling is really poor and nothing like what people would have you believe
@@alumlovescake It does the job for me on games that don't support Framegen or for my PS2 emulation. As long as you have the 20% GPU overhead, it does have its use cases.
@@alumlovescake Played Alan wake 2 on 3x performance with tearing and it has changed 45fps to kinda laggy observable 80fps with drops. It's a lot easier than fsr3 mod and free. The problem is performance on path tracing games - it cuts fps in half. FSR 3.0 is better for me (mostly because i still have old LukeFZ files), but lossless3x may be better in raster.
@@alumlovescakeI've been using it for games like Deep Rock Galactic and Helldivers 2 to boost fps from 60 to 120. Sitting about 8ft away from my 65" tv. With the boost to 120fps, my 40yr old eyes can't find the artifacts in all the on screen movement. But the visual fluidity is nice. Now 60fps feels juddery by comparison.
The Unity issue isn't something Unity can fix besides better developer education. If developers are telling the camera to only update in the fixed update loop at 50hz then the engine is going to do what the developer is telling it to do.
Hacking to game to change it to 60hz won't fix the problem if you are at a higher frame rate. It also wont fix the problem because the fixed update loop may not sync up with the render loop even if both are 60hz.
The biggest issue with FH4 being delisted is there are two expansions for that game, that are really good, that were digital only. So even if you bought it in advance or buy a physical copy, if you haven't bought that digitally, there's no way to experience it.
Ie piracy ftw
I think it's better to delist the game than to change the licensed elements for existing owners. Just look at all the GTA games that had songs removed. Even if you bought the games before the changes, you don't have access to the original versions.
I would not want them to remove cars and music from my Forza games just so new people can keep buying the game. Should've bought it earlier.
I think you’re slightly misremembering. There were 3 “big” DLCs, 2 of which are still available, through the Ultimate edition. The third one (Hot Wheels Legends) is effectively digitally delisted now, however, you actually can still get it through some online retailers like Walmart and Newegg.
@@thanksbetotap Hot wheels legends is not an expansion, it's just a DLC with some hot wheels cars. But yes it's hideous that they did not place any warning about that DLC before delisitng it.
They already delisted the expansions which sucks. FH4 is the only FH I don’t own (yet), and I was going to buy the expansions…
I was so dissapointed in the artificial scarcity of the ultimate edition that I just didn’t end up buying the normal print of FH4 when it was relevant.
As a Unity developer myself, the first thing I do when making a project is to change the physics tick rate. 50Hz is really not fast enough. Unless I'm doing simple non physics game for low end devices, at least 90Hz is needed to have reasonable accuracy
Would having a lower tick rate + interpolating the results produce a good final result?
What’s the performance cost you see going from 50hz to 90hz?