THIS IS EXACLY! - what I am thinking of about. Just bought my 1st road bike, I am used to MTB spd, and at this moment I use one from mtb bike while I went fullout of bucket with this purchase. But I will definitely use ether road or speedplay. Time will tell. Thanks for video!
Glad you found it useful!! I don't think the difference between the pedal systems is really that big, if I had a mountain bike I would probably just stick with mtb pedals so I don't have to buy two pairs of shoes
As per switching position on the road cleat, take a look at the concept of 'float'. I'm not sure its a think in MTB cleats, but as I understand it's 'how much your foot can move to angular to your bike' If you get 0% float cleats, it means you're locked in perpendicular to your rotation. But way more popular and most people do better with 8% float, which lets you assume more natural position at the expensive of 'stability' So be sure to try different floats if you do stick with road cleats. P.S those QingDao empty streets are eerie
Good point! I'm not sure what float these ones are, just the ones that came with the shoe, I'll have to check. But yeah you're right it did feel quite unstable with the rotation. I'll probably change it to one with less float and see how it feels once I'm fully used to clipping in and out. It's even more eerie at night 🤣
Good vid! It depends on your shoes and riding style. If you ride gravel, MT or need to walk then road cleats aren't right. For road rides, you can't beat stiff road shoes with SPD-SL cleats, for me the distribution of effort feels far more balanced and there's no issue with running your cleats right at the back and edging them forward until you find the sweet spot. You should probably raise your saddle height a fraction. Yellow SPD-SL tend to have to much float after a while too. I'm yet to try speedplays but have both Shimano and Look SPD-SL cleats. Look are easier to clip in and out of as they balance to clip side up. I found the shoes made a huge difference to how road cleats feel too, I opted for heat moldable Bont Vaypor +'s and found the stiffness of the shoe, tight on the heel with very little give, feels great. Just had a month of riding, eating and drinking too much back in the UK, cant wait to get back to CN and back on on the bike. Keep the vids coming!
I ended up moving my seat up about half a cm, makes a world of difference. I need to adjust them a lot to make them feel like the mtb pedals did, hopefully it wont take too long. Definitely going to experiment with the different float cleats. I might end up investing in a more expensive shoe once I've chosen which system to stick with. Can't beat the quiet country roads here in China for sure!
" need to walk then road cleats aren't right" It really amazes me that they COULD have designed a walkable cleat but CHOSE NOT TO as if city road bikers NEVER get off the bike and walk. It's so bad - they don't even deserve product adoption. Everyone should stick to SPD until they decide to design something actually BETTER. This is not it
Adjust the road cleats as far back (towards mid foot) as they will go. It will cause you less issues in the long run. You get used to the float pretty quickly. Just never go with 0 float as long term it will destroy your knees. For city riding I keep the tension on minimum. Ease of clipping in is important. You can still lay down over 1000W easily at min tension.
Did a long ride today and felt a lot more comfortable with the rotation, probably just getting used to them. On the other hand the clipping in seemed a lot more difficult, definitely need to get the muscle memory down!
@@mjokffsgfjs Thanks. Can you give me any insight on why there are so few people? Are those flats full do you think? Is the reason why there is no one about is because they are at work? Just seems strange to me.
Yeah it's normally quite peaceful as long as you're away from the main road. So many stray dogs around here, but normally they're not brave enough to run up and chase!
I’m a beginner. Which system makes unclipping/clipping out easier? Although I don’t do much mountain biking, I have to unclip quite frequently as my route(s) has several traffic lights.
SPD for sure, using spd-sl is a lot more complicated, especially clipping in. Unless you're a 'serious' cyclist trying to shave every gram off then spd is just fine.
I too have the SPD pedals on my bike and having the tension set with the lower helps with getting used to clipping in/out. Great point about out of the saddle climbs. Was wondering: are you using power meter pedals to measure your wattage? Thanks for the info!
definitely going to be changing the tension once I'm a bit more confident with clipping in. At the moment there's way too much rotation when I get out the saddle and it doesn't feel secure. I'm using a powermeter crankset. Magene p325cs
THIS IS EXACLY! - what I am thinking of about. Just bought my 1st road bike, I am used to MTB spd, and at this moment I use one from mtb bike while I went fullout of bucket with this purchase. But I will definitely use ether road or speedplay. Time will tell. Thanks for video!
Glad you found it useful!! I don't think the difference between the pedal systems is really that big, if I had a mountain bike I would probably just stick with mtb pedals so I don't have to buy two pairs of shoes
Im soooo happy that i found your channel! ☺
Thanks!! Lots more good stuff coming soon!
As per switching position on the road cleat, take a look at the concept of 'float'. I'm not sure its a think in MTB cleats, but as I understand it's 'how much your foot can move to angular to your bike'
If you get 0% float cleats, it means you're locked in perpendicular to your rotation.
But way more popular and most people do better with 8% float, which lets you assume more natural position at the expensive of 'stability'
So be sure to try different floats if you do stick with road cleats.
P.S those QingDao empty streets are eerie
Good point! I'm not sure what float these ones are, just the ones that came with the shoe, I'll have to check. But yeah you're right it did feel quite unstable with the rotation. I'll probably change it to one with less float and see how it feels once I'm fully used to clipping in and out.
It's even more eerie at night 🤣
Good vid! It depends on your shoes and riding style. If you ride gravel, MT or need to walk then road cleats aren't right. For road rides, you can't beat stiff road shoes with SPD-SL cleats, for me the distribution of effort feels far more balanced and there's no issue with running your cleats right at the back and edging them forward until you find the sweet spot. You should probably raise your saddle height a fraction. Yellow SPD-SL tend to have to much float after a while too. I'm yet to try speedplays but have both Shimano and Look SPD-SL cleats. Look are easier to clip in and out of as they balance to clip side up. I found the shoes made a huge difference to how road cleats feel too, I opted for heat moldable Bont Vaypor +'s and found the stiffness of the shoe, tight on the heel with very little give, feels great. Just had a month of riding, eating and drinking too much back in the UK, cant wait to get back to CN and back on on the bike. Keep the vids coming!
I ended up moving my seat up about half a cm, makes a world of difference. I need to adjust them a lot to make them feel like the mtb pedals did, hopefully it wont take too long. Definitely going to experiment with the different float cleats. I might end up investing in a more expensive shoe once I've chosen which system to stick with.
Can't beat the quiet country roads here in China for sure!
" need to walk then road cleats aren't right"
It really amazes me that they COULD have designed a walkable cleat but CHOSE NOT TO as if city road bikers NEVER get off the bike and walk. It's so bad - they don't even deserve product adoption. Everyone should stick to SPD until they decide to design something actually BETTER. This is not it
wich program you use to put data on screen? great video like always
Thanks! It's called 'telemetry overlay', a bit expensive but very indepth and you can do loads of cool stuff with it!
Adjust the road cleats as far back (towards mid foot) as they will go. It will cause you less issues in the long run.
You get used to the float pretty quickly. Just never go with 0 float as long term it will destroy your knees.
For city riding I keep the tension on minimum. Ease of clipping in is important. You can still lay down over 1000W easily at min tension.
Did a long ride today and felt a lot more comfortable with the rotation, probably just getting used to them. On the other hand the clipping in seemed a lot more difficult, definitely need to get the muscle memory down!
@@JMower Pulling away from a light I either clip in instantly or it takes 4 tries. 🤣
It looks deserted where you were riding nice quiet roads and no other people, just the dogs. Good job they were only small dogs 😆
Great place to ride! I wonder where it is, my guess is China.
@@MarkWalmsley yes，Qingdao
@@mjokffsgfjs Thanks. Can you give me any insight on why there are so few people? Are those flats full do you think? Is the reason why there is no one about is because they are at work? Just seems strange to me.
I'm not J Mower, lol. I just know where he's based from his previous videos.
Yeah it's normally quite peaceful as long as you're away from the main road. So many stray dogs around here, but normally they're not brave enough to run up and chase!
The reason that the shoes ”wobble” is because of the built in 6 degree float in the yellow cleat.
Yep, probably going to change it to the one with less float
You will find that the road cleat better for longer rides and not get hot spots on your feet. 😁
Definitely! I've used them on a few more rides now and I can really feel the difference. Probably going to be sticking with the road cleats!
I’m a beginner. Which system makes unclipping/clipping out easier?
Although I don’t do much mountain biking, I have to unclip quite frequently as my route(s) has several traffic lights.
SPD for sure, using spd-sl is a lot more complicated, especially clipping in. Unless you're a 'serious' cyclist trying to shave every gram off then spd is just fine.
@@JMower thank you. Your response is much appreciated.
I too have the SPD pedals on my bike and having the tension set with the lower helps with getting used to clipping in/out. Great point about out of the saddle climbs. Was wondering: are you using power meter pedals to measure your wattage? Thanks for the info!
definitely going to be changing the tension once I'm a bit more confident with clipping in. At the moment there's way too much rotation when I get out the saddle and it doesn't feel secure. I'm using a powermeter crankset. Magene p325cs
Roads look pretty quiet 👍
as soon as you get off the main roads it's normally quite nice! Looking forward to the summer and exploring a bit further from the city
So the one-sided SPD pedal is going to be LIGHTER than the SPD-SL. You're comparing a double sided SPD with a single sided SPD SL lol