How the exploitation of enslaved women created gynecology w/ Dr. Deirdre Cooper Owens
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This world was really built through the pain of black women.
Literally...
God please grant us peace smh our ancestors have been through so much torment
kimberly does the most important work of any channel on youtube, i hope this channel continues to grow and thrive in the way that it has.
a fact
Agree! Sometimes it's painful when I realize how much about my own people that I don't even know. But I'm learning, & this helps a lot! 💙😌
She's wonderful. Medical history is so important.
I remember when I gave birth to my son, a nurse asked if I can be quieter. Natural birth and like, the pushing the baby out part. And you want me to be quiet? 🙄
That is so unreasonable and stupid 🚮 We have clinics where I'm from and you can here a woman screaming from the first floor and it just goes to show that it's not a futile task.
how absurd >:0
"The worst thing you can call a white person a racist" this was a very in depth and thought provoking discussion. It truly is horrific to see the depths of depravity in black medical history especially in America. As a science major, we don't talk about it nearly enough, thank you for this.
I have read about this in the book "medical apartheid." I couldn't finish it though, it was so difficult and sad to read.
Yes, harrowing book, tough read but contains so much information! J Marion Sims, grave robbing, Tuskeegee, radiological experiments and that’s in less than the first 100 pages (as far as i’ve gotten!)
I purchased it when I was pregnant (~5m) but couldn’t read it until my baby was 4 months old and I’m glad I waited. There is so much. It’s definitely a hard but important read.
@@MsLotus47 I will try again. It's sitting on my bookshelf. I just need to get in the headspace!!!
Keziah You’ll get there. Take it in pieces if you must. It will clarify why our people have so much distrust in the healthcare system and the gov’t. It covers pretty much every part of medicine including the affects of “government mediated bioterrorism” .
Adding that to my reading list. Scared what I'm getting into with reading that book but I believe change comes from learning even when its painful.
This segment is excellent. As a black biologist the half of “our” story has never been told. It’s literally mind blowing!
I feel like what we learned in school is a complete lie.
Yes!!! Everyone are lied to. People have to re-education themselves. Especially African Americans
So true. Most of science was created during killing and exploiting slaves
Same as here, in my country during war there were performed some fuckin experiments on prisoners and the results were used to create fuckin mind control after war
Henrietta Lacks!!! Enough said!!! Also, there is an incredible book called: Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present is a 2007 book by Harriet A. Washington. It is a history of medical experimentation on African Americans.
This is a very interesting conversation. Me being from germany we also have a long history of human experimenting. There were doctors who were celebrated and honored for literally killing people, to find a cure for diseases or to figure out how exactly poison works. There are a bunch of very well documented stories, which are almost unbearable.
One thing that is scary in the life of a black person is every time there is a medical error, or you are denied a job, or some type of service or whatever the case may be you have to sit there and wonder is it because your black, is it because you are a woman, is it because you are a black woman, or is it neither. You never truly know.
When I was in labor I was rushed to the operating room to have a C-section and the doctor was getting ready to cut me and I screamed out and said "What are you doing I'm not numb yet". He says "You can still feel? I said "Yes, I can". I don't know what was going on but I wasn't given enough of the epidural or the spinal, I can't remember which one it was they gave me when they prepped me for surgery. At that moment I started crying saying "I want to get out of here, I'm scared". My anxiety level went through the roof and I started thinking about all of these "What if's"? Maybe it was just a mistake and it had nothing to do with race but when your black your mind tends to think about the worst case scenario.
Kim, honey... You have done it again. Thank you so much for these continued discussions. As a South African, Saartjie is very much part of our history and I am glad that her experience is being included in discourses worldwide. I think reading Medical Bondage w/ Medical Apartheid has broadened my understanding of medical humanities through a racialised, classied and gendered lenses that forms the kaleidoscopic experience of black people in a world undergird by anti-Blackness
This was wonderful. I work at a library and Id like to remind yall to check there to see if your branch has any of the books from the folks Kim interviews. Your local library may even have a purchase request system you can use. They buy the book and you not only get to read it for free, but you enrich their collection too. I found the audio version of Medical Bondage on hoopladigital.com, which is a streaming service for libraries that my library district pays for, but its free for patrons. Hopes this helps
Yes! I cannot express enough how plentiful the resources at public libraries!
libraries are awesome!! thanks for reminding us to use the services
Medical Bondage is available free as an audio book on the website Scribd; after you start the month long trial.
Dr. Cooper Owens is so intelligent and beautiful with an incredible lens! She is a great role model for black women and girls.
"I understand not everyone is gonna be able to read these books" yes, this. I really want to read them but I'm a busy grad student and a very slow reader so these conversations feel like they're made for me! Thank you SO much for your work Kim!
As always I enjoyed learning from your channel. Now I want to go research if Canada had anything similar. Canadians like to pretend we aren't and weren't anti-black but we have a history of anti-blackness. There were a lot of "servants" here that were effectively slaves.
Canada also had slavery not just servants
Hi Kim! I love your videos. I found it really interesting when Dr. Deirdre Cooper Owens brought up that white women's pictures where used when discussing surgeries performed on black bodies. This reminds me a lot of something I learned while at film school at UCLA about how black skin tones and textures where not factored into the invention of film, whereas white skin tones were factored in. In fact, depth of darker tones was only a factor when chocolate makers and furniture makers in the 1970s demanded more color depth for darker tones. If you look at media with black actors like "Black Girl" by Ousmane Sembene, it becomes really apparent how much detail is lost because of the racism behind the creation of celluloid. This perhaps could have been a factor as to why early on white women's photos were used? Just a thought.
What a compelling conversation. I am still struck by the discussion around black women's wombs and the value that was placed on them (maintaining their health) before as opposed to after slavery. It's an extremely depressing thought to consider that with their supposed emancipation came another form of enslavement to a certain extent - enslavement within a system that oftentimes doesn't even see black women, their pain, or their health struggles as valid. The idea that black women were in some ways a valuable commodity, worthy of preserving when they weren't even recognized as human... well that right there just makes my mind go through a kind of strenuous mental gymnastics. Trying to make sense of something that will never logically make sense, I guess.
You have expressed my thoughts.
I hope I can add my experience:
I went to see a gynae 5 years ago for a regular check up.
It was an east indian lady. I opened up my legs for the examination. She reached for a spit bucket and looked revolted.
I wasn't smelly. I practice good hygiene.
I never knew I could feel ashamed and 'othered' because of my vagīn@. It has really affected my view of my sex. I haven't seen a gynea ever since. There are no black female doctors in Edmonton, AB.
@@sarahtonin4727 shame on her my dear.
@@sarahtonin4727 Oh my gosh, I didn't get notified of your comment until today. I am so very sorry to hear about your experience. That is truly awful and you should've never been made to feel like there was anything at all wrong with you. I hope that you can eventually find a good doctor that you are comfortable with as you deserve to have access to healthcare that is respectful and not dehumanizing. Again, so sorry for your experience. Sending you love 💕
Dr. Deirdre Cooper Owens is 100% correct on how White people viewed Irish people, particularly in the 19th + 20th century. Even up until the late 80s in the UK there were signs in pub windows that said "No dogs, no Blacks, no Irish".
Ok I am involved in Academic medicine and I need her to speak at my institution. I will ask the leaders at my institution. The message needs to be spread to other institutions too, so I am going to let people who I trained with know about her.
Yay! 🙌🏿
On the dutch colonial island most family names are female first names. It has been said that these are the names of the women that had the have lots of babies for there masters.
Today the Netherlands released the slave registry online so I hope this will give more historical information.
My personal home library continues to expand and is filled with a variety of topics as it should. This is why you pray, read, research, listen and gather so you can have good and substantive information within your reach. The truth is the truth and that's just the end of it.
Yes Tara!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I usually don't comment... But this was a powerful watch. Loved it loved it loved it.
If you noticed the Irish were mentioned quite frequently. If you'd like to know more about their early American experiences, particularly with blacks I suggest you read the following book: "How the Irish Became White. By Noel Ignatiev.
All of modern medicine was built on black people. I wrote a paper about it in my masters program. Shout out to Washington's Medical Apartheid. I'm happy to learn about Dr. Cooper Owens. I disagree about the anesthesia point regarding Sims, but I love what she does... and her fro. Keep educating them, Dr. Sis.
It's Kim coming through with another worthy interview! Keep it up Kim!
Love the video. I don't mind the length. The longer the more info I get. Perfect.
I just ordered both books , Medical Bondage and Medical Apartheid! I love listening to a young people perspectives. I’ve learned a lot from you and your guests and I pass it on to my students. 🙏🏾
Kimberly!! Thank you and Dr. Cooper for this incredibly illuminating discussion. I appreciate both your works immensely. I've just ordered a copy of Medical Bondage. I love that you both addressed that the issue of high obstetric mortality for Black women- due to racism- spans all socio-economic strata, and that, according to Dr. Cooper, Black women with higher levels of education and or achievement, are sometimes more at risk. It reminds me of the Washington Post article detailing Serena Williams' and Beyonce's very high-risk deliveries, due to the same racial biases that affect all Black women. And more recently, the Black UA-camr- Nicole Thea- who died from pulmonary emboli, 8 months pregnant. It's all very bleak but necessary to discuss. I'm going to go rollerblade outside now. :)
Omg!! My former professor at the university of mississippi with my fav. This is crazy. How am I just now seeing this??
This is such an important interview, thank you
I'm so glad this video came out. I had watched a video about enslaved women being used for gynecology and it did not go into real depth. I really enjoyed the honesty and the discussion. Keep pushing out the great content!
I will read Medical Bondage. Thank you for bringing this subject to this platform. I deeply repsect and admire you, Kim! I enjoy listening to your content while studying. I am sharing the stats and lessons with my parents over dinner and I am so pleased to here the truth. I am looking forward to taking advantage of the Podcasts for Patreons! Yay! More content! Wooo hooo!
I loooooooooooove this brilliant sister. She is a super hero, literally. She lives life.
As a HS History teacher, these conversations and book recommendations are better than any district provided professional development. Thank you.
I desperately want to be associate and converse with women and men who have discussions, deep and meaningful like this about all subjects. My body is buzzing just on this interview alone. Thank you ladies!
All the reasons why I stopped caring about what white people think about Black people and focus on divesting, and getting our community to do the same. Think it's an impossible task? How is a continued exercise in futility (for example, trying to stop Caucasians from Caucating), not?
I loooove anyone so full of knowledge and expertise, you can give them one question and they go full gamut on the answer. I appreciate her work and thank you Kim for putting this discussion out here!
These interviews not only are amazing, and fun and light, but they're also really helping me in college.
Thank you for these important conversations. Love your channel.
Oh snap, I took a history class with Dr. Cooper Owens at Queens! Didn't learn this but lemme see if she got another class available ...
Lord we as black woman have been through so much and it’s sickening
I just placed “Medical Bondage: Race, gender, and the Origin of America gynecology” on hold at my public library. Otherwise, it’s $40 to purchase off Amazon.
Its 20 on thrift books.
@@booksxbritttv Yay thanks! I can't stand Amazon lol
@@ambriaashley3383 lol and they have quick shipping as well.
This book is available as a free audible book on scribd. You can sign up for a free trial.
I need to read this! Thank you!!!
This was such an interesting conversation, I'll have to read her book!
Thank you for this!
Great interview!
This was such a great interview!
This was amazing!!!
Thank you for this.
Thank you for sharing this discussion!!
Thank you so much Kim!
Thank you Kim!!!!
thank you again for making these videos! I'm always learning so much!
Great interview.
Thank you for teaching us
These interviews are gold.
Amazing conversation
this is SUCH a thoughtful conversation!
So good, always! I hope you never stop sharing
Honestly this is such a good interview
This was amazing. Thank you for having her.
excellent as always thank you
Thank you Kim! Enjoyed watching the interview.
I have loved all of these conversations and interviews that you have been doing. Thank you so much for spending the time bringing this content for us.
This was AMAZING! Thank you!
Thank you Kimberly for this conversation
Thank you so much for having this conversation. It's so vital for us to understand the impact of scientific racism and how its shadow continues to loom over us today. And, still, there are so many medical professionals who are not sensitive to why some Black elders have a mistrust of doctors. And many end up judged as "noncompliant"...
"difficult"..."treatment resistant" or unconcerned about their own health. We must stay aware and be an advocate for our own health. Never be afraid to ask questions of your doctors. We are in charge of our bodies.
Thanks y'all, this was a great conversation! Having this level of depth on information readily available is so important.
Thank you for your work Dr. Cooper Owens
Kim. Keep sharing this information. Thank you.
Fascinating episode with thoughtful questions and a wonderful guest and topic!
Wonderful and compelling talk. Thank you!
I love and share all of your videos. Thank you so much for all that you do.
Thank you for continuing to be such an interesting and generous interviewer for such amazing people ^_^
I just put the book on hold!! Thank you so much for featuring Ms. cooper Owens and her book. I found this really helpful!
That is SO important
I loved this conversation
Thank you, Kim! I appreciate your work very much!
Like always Kim came with the QUESTIONS!
I really really enjoyed this! It took me 2 days but it was worth it
I love your conversations. Teach, girlfriend!
What an insightful and informative conversation. I love that these videos are long, I think that they are so nuanced that it would be hard if not impossible to cover them in the depth they deserve in a shorter form.
Thank you for creating this platform! What an enlightening and necessary conversation.
Such a fantastic and insightful interview!
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed every minute of every video I’ve watched of yours and it’s just occurred to me that I’m yet to comment to show my appreciation. Thank you Kim for the excellent guests you’ve had on your channel in recent months, you’ve created such a powerful space for sharing knowledge, engaging critiques and analysis.
Lots of love from London ❤️
This was such a good video. Much of this is hardly ever taught.
Thank you!! I use wash day as my education time. Love your content.
HUGE fan of Dr. Cooper Owens!!! Such necessary research.
Watching this amazing interview is making me want to go back to university and dive more into some of these topics
I appreciate all the conversations you have here and the scholars you bring on. I listen to your videos as I’m doing things and I don’t mind that they’re long.😊
Thank you so much for this video ❤️ I learned so much and I will definitely read her book
This was an awesome conversation!!! Just ordered a copy of this book. If I had not clicked this I would have never heard of this book.
brilliant discussion
Hi there, I’d just finished this video and wanted to thank you for bringing on such an awesome guest, and I’ll be looking for Dr Owen’s book to add to my reading list.
Thank you so much for inviting academics into your discussions, I feel like they are not consulted with enough. Loved it!
Amazing. So easy to listen to the whole interview, and I find interviews particularly difficult to pay attention to even when the subject matter is interesting.
All I can say after this video Kim is “ yassss yassss yasss” I appreciate you and all you do with your platform
This was enjoyable I learned so much from this conversation. This is additional information to my own intelligence. Thanks girl.
I really enjoy your interview style, and Dr. Cooper Owens was an incredible guest. Thank you for this!